Thursday, February 17, 2011

Telangana 77: Why India Should Reject SriKrishna Committee Report?

SriKrishna Committee Report is now being studied by the Central Government in New Delhi to provide a solution to the Telangana issue.  Unfortunately, the report fails to provide a political solution to the current problem, and instead provides too many options thereby creating confusion.  It provides six options which are self-contradicting making a mockery of itself.  It has too many factual errors, and in some places downright supercilious when it calls entire people of Telangana lazy and subservient. 

The report not only puts on record its prejudices against creation of new states in India but also callously dismisses a 54 year old struggle and a genuine aspiration of 35 million people as ‘having some merit’ and ‘not entirely unjustified’.  The report not only fails to deliver a practical solution to the impending problem in Telangana, but it poses a grave danger to Indian democracy by establishing an undemocratic yardstick for creation of new states in India. 

Historical Precedents

Back in 1950s, the national leaders of the newly formed Indian Republic looked at the state divisions based on regional identity with strong suspicion.  These leaders were still recovering from the aftermath of Partition and the recently concluded exercise of annexation of various reluctant kingdoms.  Linguistic Provinces Commission under SK Dar and JVP Committee headed by Jawaharlal Nehru, Sardar Vallabhai Patel and Pattabhi Sitaramaiah rejected the idea of forming states based on language.  The Dar Commission said ‘Nationalism and sub-nationalism are two emotional experiences, which grow at the cost of each other’ and therefore ‘all sub-national tendencies in the existing linguistic provinces should be suppressed’.  The JVP Committee held the security and unity of India paramount to caution that the ‘language could equally be unifying and divisive force’.

However, the ethos that set democracy in motion in this country was guided not by such apprehensions expressed in these two commissions or committees but from practical experiences coming from dealing with expedient problems of that time.  Certain events transpired in this country immediately after our Independence and solving them created a guiding benchmark for evolution of states in this country.  

One such event is the demand of Andhra state.  This demand influenced creation of Article 3 in Indian Constitution in the present form, led to constitution of States Reorganization Commission (SRC) that upheld the rationale to create linguistic states based on regional aspirations, led to rejection of recommendations from JVP and Dar Committee, and thus ultimately led to creation of a mature decision process in this country that dealt with many aspirations for statehoods in India.

Many states, like Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra State, Maharashtra, Gujarat, were formed to satisfy the aspirations of people of India who have come together under the banner of one language.  Many other states, like Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand, were formed to satisfy other regional aspirations.  It is clear now that these benchmarks set forth during the early years of formation of India have resulted in creating a vibrant democracy in India contrary to the unfounded fears held by our leaders of that time that the country would disintegrate.  It is apparent to any political observer now that the creation of new states to satisfy the aspirations of people based in regional identities actually strengthened Indian democracy, not weaken it.  Rejection of recommendations of Dar Commission and JVP Committee are equally important for setting the above mature precedents.

A new benchmark for creation of states in India?

Another such committee now expresses apprehensions about creating states based on regional aspirations.  SriKrishna Committee Report makes a clear departure from the innumerable precedents of the last sixty years that helped India become a mature democracy, strengthening its sovereignty, and setting a great example of staying united though extremely diverse.  This report questions the legitimacy of people’s aspirations to demand a separate state and negates it in favor of keeping states united where majority will continue to suppress the minority.

Authors of Indian Constitution made extensive debates before they decided on steps to reorganize states in Indian Union.  To make a case for Article 3 in the present form, they cite the example of then Andhras trying to create a state for themselves from Madras State.  During those discussions, they made it clear that it is the will of the people which is paramount and that a majority should not be in a position to suppress a minority within a state.   So that a minority group can form a state, they vested the powers to form a state only with Indian Parliament with clear implications that a ‘consensus’ may never be reached within the state. 

SKC Report challenges the ethos of Article 3 that gives the will of the people the required legitimacy to form a state.  It also challenges the SRC recommendations which considered the desire of a region to form a separate state, by asking ‘whether a region can be allowed to decide for itself what its political status should be’.  This is a dangerous observation, goes against the spirit of democracy in India, stops creation of states in future, making our country static in state boundaries.   If the will of the people cannot decide the fate of a political status of a region, who else should decide?

SKC Report recommends Option 5 for creating a separate Telangana only if other two regions agree, thereby completely negating the very idea on which Article 3 was based.   Their recommendations go against the vision of the authors of Indian Constitution and the spirit of SRC.  Subjecting a minority to the tyranny of majority, the committee makes a mockery of Indian democracy. 

If SriKrishna Committee Report becomes the yardstick to examine and satisfy aspirations of a region in India, then there is danger that we would reverse all these healthy precedents of the past.  A minority group will never be in a position to form a state no matter how much they are suppressed or marginalized.  All state formations would come to a halt in this country.

Are SKC members against creation of new states?

A constitutional democracy creates various safeguards to protect the interests of the minorities and underprivileged.  When a majority colludes out of self-interest to form a single group, it can easily suppress the minority.  To overcome this, Indian Constitution has provided various safeguards, like reservations for lower castes and women, and similarly it allowed for creation of new states out of regions. 

SriKrishna Committee Report equates formation of new states within Indian Union to creation of new nations and goes onto provided ‘economic’ criteria to oppose such divisions.  It cites the trend in the world ‘towards economic integration with economic blocs consisting of many smaller nations being formed in the interest of enhancing economic opportunities’ and discourages formation of smaller nations because they contribute to creating ‘barriers to inter-state and intrastate trade and movement of goods and services.’ 

What SriKrishna Committee misses out is that states are not nations.  And that states are not formed on the basis of economic considerations but to fulfill regional aspirations. The report states that ‘division of Andhra Pradesh can only be a negative factor which would inhibit the economic growth of the newly formed states.’  It goes on to say that ‘economically, the land locked region of Telangana may also lose out on access and opportunities to the eastern coastline which has a major port in Vishakhapatnam and many other sea ports.’  The argument against ‘land-locked’ states has no merit. Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand, are all land-locked states. 

The report negates the statehood for Telangana on the grounds that it ‘would only create a demand for a great number of small states resulting in problems of coordination and management.’  Observing that one of the members is a retired judge, it is indeed a crooked way of delivering justice – to say that we cannot dole out justice because others would ask for the same. 

While citing the recommendation of Fazal Ali’ SRC, the SKC report cites only those remarks which were against formation of separate Telangana while omitting the remarks which supported formation of separate Telangana. Also, SriKrishna Committee members did not consider the rationale of how nearly thirteen states have come into existence in independent India.   It is clear that SriKrishna Committee started out with a prejudice against creating smaller states, against creating Telangana.  Such a Committee’s report should not be allowed to become a benchmark because it would mean there can be no land-locked states or smaller states in India ever again and that economic considerations would prevail over democratic aspirations.

An unbiased arbiter?

Telanganas have been demanding a separate state since fifty years, with the current agitation going back 15 years.  Telanganas have cited discrimination meted out to them on various aspects in the state, in empowerment, in irrigation, in jobs, in opportunities etc.  The committee was formed to ‘examine the situation’ in the state with reference to ‘demand for a separate State of Telangana’ and to ‘review the developments in the State since its formation’.  It was given a mandate to be an unbiased arbiter to examine if indeed Telangana was discriminated.  The contention is between people of Telanganas who cite discrimination from Seemandhra-controlled Government of Andhra Pradesh.  Justice SriKrishna seems to have forgotten what the role of a judge is.  The committee, instead of donning the role of an unbiased judge between these two parties, has become a prosecutor on the side of Government of Andhra Pradesh.  The Committee has used the facts given by the Government of Andhra Pradesh without questioning them, using the reports provided by Seemandhra leaders as ‘evidences’ while rubbishing all the facts and statistics provided by Telangana experts, economists, statisticians, professors, employee unions, engineers, poets, and scientists.  If SKC were to believe the statistics provided by Seemandhra-controlled Government of Andhra Pradesh without questioning them, then why did we need the committee in the first place? If all these statistics are correct, and therefore there is no discrimination towards Telangana, then why did so many political parties, eminent leaders, including Home Minister support the Telangana’s statehood movement? It was egregious of SKC members to thank only a dozen Seemandhra VIPs at the starting of the Report but none of the Telangana members.  

If such a report becomes a benchmark for resolving regional issues in this country, let it be known that privileged will always win over the underprivileged.  This country will no longer stand for justice but for establishing the tyranny of the privileged.

Pathological contradictions

Not only does SriKrishna Committee Report fail to provide a political solution to the current Telangana issue, it does not even deserve the acclaim of an academic report.  It has innumerable number of factual errors and is surfeit with obvious contradictions.  SriKrishna Committee recommends six possible options for resolving the current problem in the state. 

The Option 1 of keeping the state united as status quo is negated saying it is not possible to run the state the same without ‘some intervention’ on behalf of Telanganas.  It cites the reason for Telangana movements in the past and the present as ‘partial implementation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement… the denial of fair share of water and irrigation resources, and perceived neglect in economic development of Telangana region.’ And yet while recommending the Option 6 of keeping the state united with ‘constitutional/statutory measures to address the core socio-economic concerns about development of Telangana region’, it prescribes the same measures which are all considered to be failures in the history of Andhra Pradesh.  It is an irony that SriKrishna Committee recommends Telangana Regional Council (TRC) without realizing a similar sounding Regional Standing Committee recommended by Gentlemen’s Agreement failed miserably resulting in violent Telangana agitations of 1969.  Telangana people are condemned into repeat history with the same experiments which stand failed.

The committee while giving the six options discusses the bogey of increase in Maoist activities in the state and keeps these discussions a secret. The committee believes that keeping the state in the present condition (Option 1) is likely to give a fillip to Maoist movement, and in another context it states that ‘Telangana with or without Hyderabad is likely to experience a spurt in Maoist activity’.   Since a spurt Maoist activities is an eventuality in this region no matter what the solutions is how does it matter which option is chosen? 

Mohan Guruswamy writes: “…demand for a separate Telangana state [is] fobbed off taking recourse to the specious and nonsensical logic that the Naxalites will somehow take over Telangana in the end. If mal-governance becomes the only reason for the takeover by Naxalites, then it would seem the whole country is ripe for it”,

Why Option 4?

The mandate of SriKrishna Committee was to examine two options of creating separate Telangana and keeping the state united.  The members have overstepped the mandate given to them and have raised several unnecessary options and issues creating more confusion.  Also, some of these options suggest the deviousness of the members who wrote the report.  For example, the inclusion of Option 4 in the report can only be seen as a revenge of Seemandhras to deprive and punish people of Telangana of some of prime assets.  This option creates a new union territory for Hyderabad including many mandals and villages of Telangana.  No evidence of people’s demand is given as to why certain tracts of Telangana lands are added to create a corridor, except for satisfying the Seemandhras desire to have access to this city.  It should be noted that no mandals or villages from Rayalaseema or Coastal Andhra are added to this Union Territory.

While one of the biggest moot points for Telangana movement has been the deprivation of water, this option further exacerbates the sad plight of Telanganas by denying two of the biggest irrigation projects of this region.  Both the Srisailam and Nagarjuna Sagar projects are included in union territory of Hyderabad.

SKC report does not look at some relevant historical precedents while proposing Option 4.  There are uncanny similarities between the debates on Hyderabad with those of Bombay and Madras. SKC completely and deliberately ignores these debates.  Demands for union territory status for the city of Madras were made when Andhras separated from Madras State. The logic provided by the Andhras was that the city was developed by them and that a substantial size of population in Madras was Andhras.  However, Madras remained with Tamil Nadu clearly rejecting the above logic provided by Andhras.  While rejecting the claim it was stated that such a precedent would lead to making most of the cosmopolitan cities of India into union territories.  In case of Bombay, the city was administered as a union territory for four years, and later made capital of Maharashtra, clearly rejecting the experiment as major failure.  The demands made by Gujarati community were that Marathis were a minority in Bombay, that they were the investors and businessmen who built the city, that the city of Bombay was far more important to India as a port and a financial hub, that the city was cosmopolitan in nature and therefore should not be given to Marathis. In the end, these objections were rejected and cultural and geographical linkages were given the most importance overriding any apprehensions and fears over the future city and State.

This option creates 4 states out of Andhra Pradesh without admitting it – Telangana, Coastal Andhra, Rayalaseema and Hyderabad.   While the committee rejects Option 5 on the grounds that it is hesitant to divide a linguistic state, it does not cite the same reasons to reject Option 4.  Instead, it portrays Telangana man as a villain who would oppose this option. 

Why India should reject SriKrishna Committee Report?

A jury’s verdict is not supposed to satisfy everyone but deliver justice even when it faces stiff opposition from certain groups.  The SriKrishna Committee report while trying to satisfy everyone has left victims dissatisfied.  The best possible option recommended in the report is nothing but a rerun of failed history imposed onto Telangana people. The recommended steps are not original, lack creativity and lack maturity that is expected from a committee comprising of a retired judge, known bureaucrat, an economist and a social scientist.  The report does not use the benchmarks used in creation of other states in India and does not provide a clear rationale behind its approach when dealing with case of Telangana.

The entire report is biased and has a tone which is objectionable.  It is riddled with factual inaccuracies, mistakes and plain lies.  The members resorted to frivolous and non-serious remarks during press meets, and partied with vested interests who wanted to derail statehood to Telangana.

Indians should clearly understood that India’s strength lies in celebration of its diversity, allowing various groups to retain their identity within the confines of an overarching identity of being Indian.  Creation of new states based on regional aspirations led to quasi-federalism in India thereby strengthening the democratic institutions in the country.  These were possible because of application of recommendations of State Reorganization Commission while rejecting the recommendations Dar Commission and JVP Committee.

SriKrishna Committee report tries to create a new yard stick that reverses the norms and ethos used in creating new states in India.  It puts a stop to creation of new states in this country.  That will only push the desperate people in India to find solutions outside the purview of Indian constitution which will undermine India’s democratic credentials and thereby threaten India’s unity.

This report sets an ominous trend in Indian democracy and hence its rejection in its entirety is the duty of every Indian who believes in democratic values and deliverance of justice in this country.  India should continue the path of creation more states in India in accordance with regional aspirations of its people.

372 comments:

  1. JP ganni gundi geesi gadidha meedha ekkinchali. Of course, the donkey will protest, "chee naa vedhava bathuku"

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  2. @ SLB :

    No wonder you don't understand.A person who is cynical sees nothing.You consider yourself smart to distort the chronology and trying to portray that other person is confused.Look at what you wrote

    when I asserted violence will delay T formation, you quoted Einstien and hinted that violence will get Telangana. When I asked (indirectly) how it will you said I am in different universe and everybody accepted T formation.
    Now you are saying me and some SA guys are not agreeing.


    Hey genius,you didn't say Violence will delay.Let me paste the same thing you wrote.

    Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.

    Then i asked you how.Because of this stupid logic i quoted Einstein's quote.

    Then you said

    Center is a key player here. It has announced the 'best' needed by Telangana in a grand stand manner.
    They found it impractical to implement the same.


    Then i asked how is carving out a state impractical and which universe are you living in.

    Then you said ...

    Then why T state is not formed yet? The least modalities and timelines are not declared?If everybody agrees and T state is a reality, why this non-cooperation, attacks on politicians, SAs etc?

    In this context i told that though all parties have agreed for T formation,the problem is created by ppl like you.So,students in SA,normal public like you fall in this category.When i said SA politicians it meant, though congress party High command and T congress leaders have declared that they are fine with T formation its the Congress SA politicians who are being the thorn in the flesh.

    You thought you were too smart in changing the chronological order of our statements and portray that i am confused.
    There is a limit for everything in life and stupidity is no exception.Its OK if you don't have any counter arguments.But don't make fun of yourself by changing the chronology.

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  3. Hey SLB, I suggest you to create a permanent id. The skunks here will don't even hesitate to write something stupid in your disguise. They did the same in the past to a blogger named "Reality"

    I really enjoy the way you play with Greenie. I lost the respect for this blog when these nut cases started comparing this baseless movement to freedom fight and to egypt and tunisia movement. While I pity the way you squander your time for educating these T-bans, I still believe someone has to take that job. Good Job man.

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  4. @ Anonymous and SLB:

    Just because you and SLB are against my point of view,i wouldn't come to a conclusion that

    Anonymous = SLB

    Its only shows how immature i am.

    I already told SLB that I am not Sujai.Tintin has my actual name in it.If you still choose think that way,be my guest.

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  5. @ Anonymous :

    You said peaceful ways have to be followed.

    Then Lavanya and myself asked you

    Would you care to share a few WAYS,in here

    For that you say ...

    Put this question to your Telangana congress MPs and MLAs. Its not my job.

    It only shows that you are one more genius who only knows to vomit everything that comes to your mind without even being able to support yourself with some ideas.

    Yes'day even my friend told me

    If you get Telangana you will develop for sure but India will be degraded

    For which i said

    "Degradation of India ? Can you explain how ?India had 14 districts when we got independence.Now we have 28.So,how much did India degrade after the 14 new states are formed ?At least tell me how much did India degrade after Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Chattisgarh are formed ?Oh sorry,according to ppl like you India degrades only because of T formation.Isn't it ?"

    He has no answer for this question.He is a pass out from IIT.

    I seriously wonder what changes should we adopt in educational system in India which teaches ppl that we should think before we speak.

    You quoted some thing by John Stuart Mill , which is too philosophical and it doesn't apply to T according to me but applies to T according to you.

    Here i will quote something which is explicitly for ppl like you

    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F Kennedy

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  6. @Tintin,

    So you comfortably imbibed Kennedy's quote and decide voilence is the only way? I only told, its your problem and you have to find a peaceful solution. Its your job not mine. May be now I wonder SKC should really have labelled you guys lazy!

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  7. @ Anonymous :

    So you comfortably imbibed Kennedy's quote and decide voilence is the only way?

    Thats the reason i called you genius.Where did the JFK's quote speak about encouraging violence ?
    It only tells you to take the discomfort of thought before you make an opinion.Its asking you to think before making a statement/opinion very much unlike what you did again just now.

    I only told, its your problem and you have to find a peaceful solution. Its your job not mine.

    Yes.Its out problem and we are dealing with it.Its you who is unnecessarily getting troubled by making uninvited suggestions like take peaceful ways etc for which you also don't have any case.

    May be now I wonder SKC should really have labelled you guys lazy!

    Does it make any difference ?T ppl can also call SA ppl with some names.Does that make any difference to you ?No.

    You know what ppl like you and SLB are just waiting for reasons to hate T ppl.From Jan 2010 to Feb 17 2011,ppl were silent making themselves busy by going to every district and educating themselves about T.Then ppl like you didn't have reasons to oppose T.So,ppl like SLB keep asking for the same questions to everyone though he gets his answers from some.When ppl are peaceful you can't appreciate their maturity.Now that violent path is taken you have a reason to oppose it.Isn't it ?

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  8. tintin..

    arguing with some andhra people is much like (and far worse than) mud-wrestling with a pig — it is a waste of time because you cannot win and the pig enjoys it.

    Don't do it!!

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  9. Lavanya,

    Reg the link to the TRS leaders list of activities until 31st march......there is no link. He showed me a paper. All TRS leaders have a copy of this paper which shows the list of daily evnets to be undertaken.

    I wish the agitationists spend their efforts on 'educating' their MPs and MLAs instead of burning their own buses.

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  10. The list of TRS leaders across the districts shows some interesting facts ....many ex-maoists/sympathisers have joined the party but have chosen to remain at level 2 or 3 in the hierarchy of the TRS in every mandal. They are going all out in all their wings - politicial, intellectual, social, electronic etc.
    This maoist strategy of joining the T movement actively in pursuance of their larger goal is obvious to anyone....but why was the HC judge unwilling to accept it.

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  11. @ Idler :

    True.These guys just come up with points without any support for those points.They ask you all questions and get the answers from us.If you ask them a question, they don't come up with answers.They only say "Its not my problem.You are the one staying in T.So,you get to figure it out." as if they are so much concerned about the future of T.

    Perhaps this why it is said "Never argue with a fool.They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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  12. SLB: Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.
    --- I said this not as my view but how TRS plays the game ---
    --- I admit on my lapse. I forgot that sarcasam cannot be understood well by everybody.

    tintin: Do you think if Violence increases Telangana doesn't form ?...
    SLB: I suggest you to take the role of ring-side viewer and list down action-reaction sequence. Let me add couple of important points for your analysis.
    --- you ignored above lines and picked up only next lines about Centers actions.

    tintin: Impractical to implement the same ?Do you live in a parallel universe ?India created 14 new states.How different is Telangana formation from all those 14 states ?
    --- I said 'impractical' to implement the decision of Telangana formation. But you chose to read as 'impractical to carve out states'.

    tintin: In this context i told that though all parties have agreed for T formation,the problem is created by ppl like you.
    --- I have already indicated that Dec 9 decision was rejected by stakeholders and center could not impose the decision on them.
    --- Then why 'ruminate the same thing time and again'?
    --- you can add all kinds of adjectives, superlatives, ablatives before SAs and politicians.
    --- the status is that Center is not implementing its decision. Period.

    Now comeback to main question. How voilence will change this status? Especially towards T state formation.

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  13. tintin,

    BTW, you seems to mistaken that I am Sujai. No. I am not Sujai or Lavanya. I never claimed I am genius. Nor I will do so ever.
    As I put in one of earlier posts.
    As our dear budugu says 'naa anta vaani nenu'.

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  14. @Anon moron,

    >>>>>I only told, its your problem and you have to find a peaceful solution. Its your job not mine.<<<<

    If you do not have an answer to the question,just zip it,and mind your own business.
    They have been protesting peacefully since Dec 2009,all through 2010.All forms of peaceful protests have failed them,and they have tried finding a solution over the last year or so.

    If you cannot suggest more peaceful ideas,then just shut all your holes up,and get back to work

    >>>>>>May be now I wonder SKC should really have labelled you guys lazy!<<<<

    Maybe your mom never told you abt the brain damage that you r suffering from,when she dropped you on your head.

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  15. @slb

    >>>>BTW, you seems to mistaken that I am Sujai. No. I am not Sujai or Lavanya. I never claimed I am genius. Nor I will do so ever.<<<<<

    You are another classic idiot.You are jumping arguments like a blob of trash.
    Do you even want to understand what the other person is trying to explain?Just jumping up onto any commenter,and arguing like a headless monkey,does not make you superior.

    >>>>As I put in one of earlier posts.
    As our dear budugu says 'naa anta vaani nenu'.<<<<

    Man,look at this.You are so joblesssss.Get a life.

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  16. @ SLB :

    Now comeback to main question. How violence will change this status? Especially towards T state formation.

    They are not doing it for changing the status.They are just trying to make this situation even worse which led to ppl like JP speak up for T cause yes'day.
    At least i feel this disturbance is serving one purpose.
    Ppl like you and SA media never spoke about the movement till Dec 30th ,2010 because it was peaceful and no one even cared to pay some attention.Even after Dec 30th,2010 when ppl tried to protest peacefully,govt gave a picture to central govt that the state is peaceful.Though Racha banda was outrightly opposed by ppl,Mahaa TV tells in its exclusive that Racha Banda went peaceful in Telangana.
    This disturbance will atleast help such think-skinned ppl feel the heat of the movement.

    Why is that you are using the word violence again and again ?
    because of smacking of JP and burning out the trains ?The violence has not started yet.Trust me.Students are ready to make things even worse if govt doesn't respond fast.

    Police entering Nizam college hostel and assaulting ppl in the rooms is not violence.Police proactively controlling OU students by firing rubber bullets is not violence.Today i am not sure if you have seen it.I just saw a scene were a normal person was hit by the stone and his nose is totally cut.FYI,its not the students who were throwing stones but the police.This is not violence.All this is not violence.Isn't it ?

    Had police not been acting smart,students would have peacefully gone on a protestation to do what they want to.Why should they try to overdo their job and provoke students to burn all those public properties ?

    Oops !! sorry.I forgot that i am living in a world where only the provoked gets the blame but not the one who provokes.

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  17. @tinny,

    >>>>>>>>Why should they try to overdo their job and provoke students to burn all those public properties ?
    <<<<<<<<

    You hit the nail on the head.These police douche bags will never understand,why they are being told to do all the dirty jobs.
    They will get it from students if they do,and from the bosses if they dont.

    Someone shd tlk to these idiots and tell them,that they are being used to wsh the SA dirty laundry,in public.

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  18. @ SLB :

    I want to change my word.
    when i said his nose is totally cut , i meant deeply cut.

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  19. KiranCh said...

    >> 3. I think KTR should be hanged or severely punished so that a strong msg be sent for anything that against law

    People who shout loudly about "constitution", "rule of law" etc. don't seem to have a cle about the Indian system.

    Hanging, LOL! Ask your "experts" like Narayan what crimes get what punishment.

    4. common people like common voters and to the ppl us (most) dont vote but still have concern about the development of state should call this a black day and should vote to NONE of the above or support ppl like JP. Should not give a chance to ppl like KTR and should make him not eligible for mla/minister posts.

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  20. Green Star said...

    >> 2. If a anti-T guy is beaten up then it is equal to killing the democracy/constitution.

    Correction: please replace "beaten up" by "even slightly tapped" LOL!

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  21. time has come for Aditya to pitch in and give these SLB,Kostha and all other andhra morons a treatment.I am convicned..JP got sparsh jyan from Mallesh and started speaking sense.These idiots badly need a treatment so that they can think while theis ears and eyes wide open..

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  22. Anonymous said...

    >> when I search for "subservient and lazy" on Google India, the first three results are on Telangana......

    Yes and these were links to blogs condemning SKC for repeating the slur.

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  23. time for Aditya to comeFebruary 22, 2011 5:04 PM

    Time for Aditya to pitch in and give one round of treatement to SLB,anons,Kostha and all other genius(as per tintin).JP got his senses back once he got sparshgyan from a car driver.These pseudo intellectuals need good bashing then they will start thinking about wht is happening in Telangana.

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  24. tintin,

    just leave all that crap about Rachhabanda, maha tv, police...
    too much of digression.

    Tell me how violence will get Telangana?

    You can't?
    Then I will explain you action-reaction sequence.
    And how T movement will go into another long hibernation.


    Why word violence! (Do not gloat as-if TRS goons can cause great damage)
    The way most T-vaadis defended man-handling JP, indicates their inclication to resort to violence.
    Students! Where in the world students carried out peaceful agitations? Even if it was for good cause.
    What does the word 'muttadi' mean? Touching with feather?

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  25. Hey! Where is Aditya? He is completely out of action after SKC report.

    He changed his stance after SKC report? He does not want T anymore?
    Noooooooooooooo.....
    It can't be.

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  26. SLB said...

    >> Do you justify beating up JP in revenge for OU police actions?

    I condemned that if you noticed. I have not seen many andh(r)a guys condemning attacks on Tvadis.

    >> Then it will not stop here

    If this is a threat, we are not scared.

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  27. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/babu-keen-on-yellow-tinge-to-telangana-agitation/250308.html

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  28. Anonymous said...

    >> I sure am worried about the future of my kids

    So are we. Unlike the propaganda unleashed by the andhras, we too are people with families.

    >> What if we were travelling by car/auto or bus and people felt like throwing stones at it or setting it on fire

    yes, life has risks but we must not lose our sense of proportion. The chances are higher you will be run over by a hit-and-run involving drunk drivers.

    >> I am sure all the major multi national companies are going to run away or will stop investing in Hyderabad

    This is a fear psychosis created by andhra plutocrats.

    Please alsoo remember that division per se does not drive away investment, uncertainty does. Why are we facing uncertainty? Because a small group of andhra vested interests is fighting the aspirations of millions through falsehood & blackmail.

    Telangana has welcomed everyone throughout centuries. Sorry for the hardship & thank you for bearing with us during these difficult times.

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  29. Anonymous said...

    >> T-leaders would want people to believe that taking to roads is the only way they can be heard

    We tried several things like resignations, fasts etc.

    >> Having done a nasty waiting of 50 years, you guys can't even wait for a couple of years?

    Yes, we can (and did) wait for years. We can not wait any longer *after* the decision was announced (on Dec-9-2009)

    There are better ways to keep up the pressure on the center in peaceful ways.

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  30. @kostha
    simple guys if u r not intereted in this blog, stop browsing this site its in u r hand to read it or not.
    one thing in simple.
    in
    1)1956 visalandhra wants telangana to merge with them becoz of there benefits
    2)1969 telangana wants to back there own state becoz of there benefits.
    3)Later 1972 andhra started jai andhra movement becoz of their benefits.
    4)once again in 2000-2010 telangana started jai telangana for getting their benefits.
    5)andhra started united andhra for there benefits

    here why i am using benefits continously because few andhra people treating these telangana people as anti nationalists who is asking separate state
    what happens to andhra people when they launched jai andhra movement in 1972 is it not anti national, what about 1953 when andhra want to move out from madras is it not national .

    just one conculsion if andhra people think there is any benefit happens by forming andhra state tommorow they remove united andhra stand and follows jai andhra movement

    and if telangana people feels they have benefits in united andhra they will stand on united andhra

    thing is clear here now telangana people are feeling there are facing supression in andhra regime so they want seprate telangana


    here everything work according benefits.

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  31. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/telangana-demand-raised-in-lok-sabha/753375/

    The demand for a separate Telangana state was today raised in the Lok Sabha by several Congress members from Andhra Pradesh.

    Immediately after the Question Hour, the members including Ponnam Prabhakar and M Jagannath, were on their feet seeking to raise the issue.

    Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs V Narayanasamy tried in vain to pacify them and at one point was seen consulting party chief Sonia Gandhi.

    Backing their demand, Leader of the Opposition Sushma Swaraj said that a Bill for the formation of the separate Telangana state should be brought in the current session itself and her party would help in its passage.

    There was no response from the government on her plea. The members were pacified when Speaker Meira Kumar assured them that one of them would be given a chance to raise the issue.

    Incidentally, some Congress members from Andhra Pradesh had disrupted the Presidential address yesterday by raising pro-Telangana slogans. They had displayed pro-Telangana banners and shouted "Jai Telangana" and "We want Telangana".

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  32. http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/22/stories/2011022258950100.htm


    HYDERABAD: Amid the prevailing political turmoil over Telangana and threat from former MP Y.S. Jaganmohan Reddy, the Congress faces another challenge with the Election Commission issuing the notification for polls to 10 more Legislative Council seats on Monday.

    Selection of Congress candidates is sure to become a difficult task as the leadership will be required to balance various factors. This task is easier said than done since the two dozen MLAs backing Mr. Jagan have the potential for upsetting ruling party's applecart. Also, with the Telangana MLAs being in a mood for rebellion, the Congress will have to do a lot of tightrope walking to prevent cross-voting.

    Out of the 10 MLCs retiring next month, five belong to the Congress, two to the TDP and one each to CPI, MIM apart from one independent. Each candidate requires 26.8 votes from the MLAs, who constitute the electorate, to be declared elected.

    With 155 members of its own, Congress can ensure smooth sailing for five nominees. On paper, the Congress, with its own surplus votes and the support of MLAs belonging to MIM (seven), Praja Rajyam (18) and three independents, two more seats can be won. However, the MIM and PR will most likely seek one seat each, especially the former, as its member is retiring.

    As no whip can be issued in the election, which is conducted through secret ballot, the Congress Legislature Party can only give a direction to its MLAs on whom to vote. This will give ample scope for the party rebels to put paid to the Congress leaders' plans on the voting grid in the elections which are held on the basis of preferential voting.

    The Congress got a taste of what is in store when B. Gurunath Reddy, MLA owing loyalty to Mr. Jagan, said his group would not hesitate to back the candidate fielded by their leader.

    Lottery system

    Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy may find himself in a spot as pressure is growing from the Telangana leaders to select candidates on the basis of a lottery system. They contended that many MLCs from Telangana were not given re-nomination when their term ended. This time, those retiring from the Council hail from Seemandhra region.

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  33. @ SLB :

    Tell me how violence will get Telangana?

    Who told you that T ppl want to get T with violence ?Ppl like me not condemning JP's incident doesn't mean we are supporting violence.Burning the train was not necessary according to me.But i also need to understand their frustration because they are the ones having first hand experience of police brutality.
    I only meant if Violence is the only way to get T,then T ppl don't mind taking that path.Today the students were warning the govt not to let them go to the extent that they start attacking ppl from Andhra.So,this stupid way of dealing this issue by Congress is only inviting more trouble.

    The way most T-vaadis defended man-handling JP, indicates their inclication to resort to violence.

    You are wrong.Quite a few ppl i know didn't condemn it because they thought JP deserved such treatment not because we believed in violence.When ppl are foolish, sycophancy is not a way to deal with such people.

    Students! Where in the world students carried out peaceful agitations?

    What do you think students were doing from Jan 2010 to Feb 16th ,2011 ?are they not peaceful ?Who was troubled during this period ?They were so peaceful and it went to the extent that ppl even got doubts that T movement is subsiding slowly.I don't care if you don't agree with me on this.

    What does the word 'muttadi' mean? Touching with feather?

    What is muttadi according to you ?Is it to mob a person and hitting a person black and blue ?

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  34. SLB said...

    >>From Dev Anands musical classic 'Hum Dono'

    जहाँ में ऐसा कौन है जिसको गम मिला नहीं!

    ....
    कौन रोता है किसी और के खातिर है दोस्त...
    सबको अपनीही सवालात पे रोना आया.

    Unko itne saal tak hamare rona ki khatir nahin tha. Ab rona unki bari hai hum kyun khatir kare :)

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  35. Quote:
    "
    That's what I think Gandhi exemplified - Even if we didn't get freedom in 1947 or even by 2011, I don't think he would have resorted to violent means, nor advocated violent means to anyone. "

    If violent path is such a bad path then I wonder why we dont hate Bagath Sing, Ajad, Chandrabose, Alluri etc who tried to turn the Independence movement into a violent one.

    Quote:
    "
    From what I understood from his philosophy - Keep appealing to the humanity in the enemies, one day they will realize it."

    If that is what you believe I dont understand why you cry like a hell when ever a bad incident happens from TG side. Didnt the Gandhi said to show another side of your face after having a slap on your face? You try your Gandhi methods, after some time you may succeed wining TG hearts, but please dont torcher us by lecturing Gandhi ways (when you dont follow for your own).

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  36. Quote:
    "
    It was u guys who said ur movement is peaceful and u attack a governor and MLA for not speaking what u wanted to hear. Yes, attacking public representatives is undemocratic and if allowed, the parties will be sending goondas to Assembly. Is that what u want to have in ur state?"

    Bear with me please, can you show me an example of a peaceful movement? If that differs with our movement, well I dont mind accepting our movement is not a peaceful movement.

    Good luck.

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  37. Quote:
    "
    If separate T state comes, is this how they r going to treat governor, opposition party MLAs, MLCs and common man. Non-T locals of Hyd, including North Indians fear this environment. Advani conveyed the same to these thugs when they met him yesterday."

    Your questions is valid when TRS comes into power in T state. But with there past track record, I dont think so. They never going to come into power.

    But the way this indecent is happened in United AP, so you may want to refrain your statement like below.

    Non-T locals of Hyd, including North Indians fear this environment in United Andhra Pradesh.

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  38. Quote:
    "
    Infact, most of the Telanganas are lazy. Ofcourse this would create angry to them, but is is fact."

    Infact, most of the Seemandr@ are looters, Ofcourse this would create angry to them, but is fact.

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  39. Bear with me please, can you show me an example of a peaceful movement? If that differs with our movement, well I dont mind accepting our movement is not a peaceful movement.

    Also show me a peaceful way in which movements were crushed. Unreasonable movements are crushed.

    If that differs in this case you also shouldn't mind it.

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  40. Quote:
    "
    BTW, Jai can help you fix an appointment with Dr. Nigam. :-)"

    Jai helped SLB before in this and looks like the treatment didn't worked. :(

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  41. Infact, most of the Seemandr@ are looters, Ofcourse this would create angry to them, but is fact.

    In fact most entrepreneurs are looters. And also most children who get first in class are also looters. In fact all the winners in life are looters.

    Of course you should call the losers LOSERS.

    And it will create angry to them. And Green Star will start an "imaginative conspirative" movement for them.

    He has the maoists and the marxists on his side which are essentially of that nature in any case but they hate it when you call them that.

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  42. Your questions is valid when TRS comes into power in T state. But with there past track record, I dont think so. They never going to come into power.

    Green Star and Sujai and Lavanya will come to power.

    Your questions is valid when they don't comes to power in T state. But with there past track record, I think so. They will not come to power because they are not Indian citizens.

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  43. Quote:
    "
    I strongly believe in
    "ధర్మో రక్షితి రక్షితః"
    "
    దండం దశ గుణం భవేత్

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  44. Quote:
    "
    So,i guess we have not only JP who knows the definition of democracy but also a few more ppl in the entire state.isn't it ?"

    Excellent.

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  45. "So,i guess we have not only JP who knows the definition of democracy but also a few more ppl in the entire state.isn't it ?"

    Excellent.


    Green Star is disappointed you didn't include him. How can you be such a idiot and do such disservice to his ego if you are a TRUE TELANGANA FIGHTER.

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  46. Quote:
    "
    Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.
    Hence.... more elections
    Hence.... more collections.
    "

    This is what the Seemanra@ say when ever TRS on raise, if TRS is calm for some time then they say 'TRS sold there movement' thats why they are calm.

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  47. This is what the Seemanra@ say when ever TRS on raise, if TRS is calm for some time then they say 'TRS sold there movement' thats why they are calm.

    Green Star is TRS but he says he is not. That's the big PARADOX which no one is supposed to understand.

    And in that they want to build the party and all of those things for which Green Star who I think is KTR wants to profit but still talk in hundred odd tongues.

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  48. If the BJP is so serious about Telangana why didn't they fight like it like they wanted or fought for JPC.

    BJP is not so serious. They are just playing politics like TDP, TRS, Congress, PRP and others.

    Modi will piss on them when Saurashtra thing comes up. Shiv Sena will shit on them when Vidrabha comes up.

    What's BJP? Within Hyderabad itself they have differences. There's a decent segment of BJP that supports a separate Hyderabad.

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  49. This is what the Seemanra@ say when ever TRS on raise, if TRS is calm for some time then they say 'TRS sold there movement' thats why they are calm.
    Greeni,

    usual mixing of unrelated stuff.

    People talk against TRS when it threatens. Moreover current context is not only TRS but OU students too.

    People say TRS sold movement when KCR sit next to KK and says 'congree telangana icchesindi'. 'idi chinna brake ante'.
    'congress nu balopetam cheyaali, TDPni bhoostapitam cheyyali'......

    The latest being 'nothing wrong in Jagan holding placard in parliament'. A new friend in Jagan, who was a Telangana drohi just few months back?

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  50. "I strongly believe in
    "ధర్మో రక్షితి రక్షితః""
    దండం దశ గుణం భవేత్

    Thanks greeni! :-)
    This is second time you understood and concurred with me, though sarcastic this time round.

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  51. BJP is not so serious. They are just playing politics like TDP, TRS, Congress, PRP and others.

    I cannot agree! BJP definitely in favor of Telangana and similar small states.
    Yes! Currently they are playing politics and bad one. They too want credit.

    Modi will piss on them when Saurashtra thing comes up. Shiv Sena will shit on them when Vidrabha comes up.
    Maybe, maybe not. During Jarkhand creation, they could negotiate with Laloo well, despite he strong anti-BJP politics.
    The difference I see is that BJP behaved more like government than party (well I cannot deny the political mileage they got) whereas congress thinking it as Gandhi family affair.

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  52. Quote:
    "
    Having done a nasty waiting of 50 years, you guys can't even wait for a couple of years?"

    Dont say that 'couple of years' is more than another 50 years, ....

    Quote:
    "
    There are better ways to keep up the pressure on the center in peaceful ways."

    Really, I am interested in knowing such ways, I am also interested to know if any of those methods in action and there output.

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  53. Quote:
    "
    Then why T state is not formed yet? The least modalities and timelines are not declared?"

    If you want to argue that T is not the central govt interest, well... they didn't declared that yet. Save your voice...

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  54. Quote:
    "
    Put this question to your Telangana congress MPs and MLAs. Its not my job."

    Your only job here is 'give a free advice to others'

    Yea, you can give only 'free' advices, because no one here has some 'change' in there pockets to give you.

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  55. Quote:
    "
    Put this question to your Telangana congress MPs and MLAs. Its not my job."

    Your only job here is 'give a free advice to others'

    Yea, you can give only 'free' advices, because no one here has some 'change' in there pockets to give you.

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  56. The difference I see is that BJP behaved more like government than party (well I cannot deny the political mileage they got) whereas congress thinking it as Gandhi family affair.

    True.

    But even this is a FIRST for BJP where the region that has the capital wants to separate with the CAPITAl.

    And internally they are having too many debates which may not be pleasant. For example what if erstwhile Mysore state wants to separate with Bangalore in Karnataka? BJP has many things to think.

    Right now they are playing politics like everyone else.

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  57. Quote:
    "
    ". I am afraid for my husband's and kids' lives."
    I'm sorry to say Ma'm that is what we have to live.That is the way of things to be in Telangana.
    "

    Actually the original poster of above sentence is confused thinking this is happening in Telangana. In my opinion, this is happening in Andhra Pradesh, so AP must be bifurcate. Remember this, the state was sooo peaceful before the fake United Crap movement. All the mess started only after that crap movement started.

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  58. Yea, you can give only 'free' advices, because no one here has some 'change' in there pockets to give you.

    Hey. i have. How much do you want? In what paisa denominations?

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  59. Quote:
    "
    But don't worry Sujai and gang have already started designing the roadmaps. They would build a better state than communal Gujrat or relatively leftist Kerala - T would not have the liabilities that these two states have - a coastline :)"

    This is all can be made into reality only after you stop looting Telangana and lever Telangana to its fate.

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  60. Quote:
    "
    I really enjoy the way you play with Greenie."

    Really.... Is it true SLB (AKA KOSTHA)

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  61. this is happening in Andhra Pradesh, so AP must be bifurcate. Remember this, the state was sooo peaceful before the fake United Crap movement. All the mess started only after that crap movement started.

    TRUE. This state should bifurcate into three parts.

    The Telangana part and the SA part and the HYDERABAD part.

    This is the mess. And all the mess is started by the Telangana and the SA guys to control Hyderabad.

    Before that there was peace and after that there will be peace.

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  62. Quote:
    "
    tintin..

    arguing with some andhra people is much like (and far worse than) mud-wrestling with a pig — it is a waste of time because you cannot win and the pig enjoys it.

    Don't do it!!
    "

    Well said.

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  63. Quote:
    "
    @slb

    >>>>BTW, you seems to mistaken that I am Sujai. No. I am not Sujai or Lavanya. I never claimed I am genius. Nor I will do so ever.<<<<<

    You are another classic idiot.You are jumping arguments like a blob of trash.
    "

    Excellent....

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  64. Quote:
    "
    KiranCh said...

    >> 3. I think KTR should be hanged or severely punished so that a strong msg be sent for anything that against law
    "

    This same people wet there pants to say same thing to MIM leaders when MIM leaders kicked the doctors in Osmania few months(years?) back,

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  65. Quote:
    "
    tintin,

    just leave all that crap about Rachhabanda, maha tv, police...
    too much of digression.

    Tell me how violence will get Telangana?
    "

    Who said violence will get Telangana?

    I hope you dont succeed in your argument, otherwise we have to treat Bagath Singh as anti-independence traitor for throwing bomb in live state assembly hall.

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  66. Hey! Where is Aditya? He is completely out of action after SKC report.

    He changed his stance after SKC report? He does not want T anymore?
    Noooooooooooooo.....
    It can't be.


    Right now you are in his *ss hole, you cant see him till you come out.

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  67. Quote:
    "
    Also show me a peaceful way in which movements were crushed. Unreasonable movements are crushed.

    If that differs in this case you also shouldn't mind it.
    "

    So, you dont have answer for peaceful movements, thats all I want to know, thank you.

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  68. Quote:
    "
    And it will create angry to them. And Green Star will start an "imaginative conspirative" movement for them."

    Please, dont promise anything on be half of me.

    I dont have tonns of looted money like you so that I can start another fake movement and run it by sitting myself in A/C rooms.

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  69. Quote:
    "
    This is what the Seemanra@ say when ever TRS on raise, if TRS is calm for some time then they say 'TRS sold there movement' thats why they are calm.

    Green Star is TRS but he says he is not. That's the big PARADOX which no one is supposed to understand.
    "

    Looks like sera hired another idiot just for me. People, I got a promotion. I am happy.....

    :)

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  70. But even this is a FIRST for BJP where the region that has the capital wants to separate with the CAPITAl.
    Definitely this is very important factor. Dividing AP or making Hyderbad UT will set very bad precedent for rest of India. Neither BJP nor Congress can handle similar demands.

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  71. @ Sera :

    Option 4 over and now you are behind BJP is it ?

    Fine.Lets agree that all the parties are playing politics.But is that wrong as long as people are benefiting ? Why don't you look at the bright side ?They are voicing the opinion of Telangana ppl in the parliament unlike the people who, Anonymous thinks,know the definition of democracy like SA congress ppl,JP etc

    They raised their voice yes'day also if you are not following the budget sessions.
    The fun you wanted to see might happen today in the parliament as speaker told T vaadi MPs to take up that issue today as she had plans of taking JPC yes'day.

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  72. @ tin tin

    The fun you wanted to see might happen today in the parliament as speaker told T vaadi MPs to take up that issue today as she had plans of taking JPC yes'day.

    Possible. Lets watch.

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  73. @ Sera :

    Are you watching the parliament sessions ? Sushma swaraj blasts the UPA while the PM sits like a dead body as if he is sitting in some other world.

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  74. sera:

    You are back. It’s unfortunate. Looks like our methods of being polite and decent towards you are not working out the way our Telangana Movement is not working out as long as it is decent and peaceful. Our enemy doesn’t respect politeness or decency.

    TRUE. This state should bifurcate into three parts. The Telangana part and the SA part and the HYDERABAD part.

    If you want to harp on this subject on this blog, you should show little amount of decency to make your stand clear on this topic. I have repeatedly asked you to make your case. You just ignored them or deviated from the topic. After few days of ‘apparent’ silence, during which you came back as ‘hyderabadi biryani’ and ‘Anonymous’, you sing the same song of ‘separate Hyderabad’ without making a case for it. The questions are still the same. Why separate Hyderabad? Which parts of Hyderabad? Are you in support of Option 2 or Option 4?

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  75. Green Star said...

    "BTW, Jai can help you fix an appointment with Dr. Nigam. :-)"

    Wonderful suggestion. Dr. Nigam (possibly the most respected Kayasth in Hyderabad today) can draw from the wealth of his wisdom & experiences from his days heading the Salarjung Museum to convince people about the greatness of our Ganga Jamuni tahzeeb.

    PS: may not work well with those "settlers" who are used to Dr. Waghray (the homeopath doctor) but never heard of Justice Waghray, the legendary jurist.

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  76. Green Star said...

    >> This same people wet there pants to say same thing to MIM leaders when MIM leaders kicked the doctors in Osmania few months(years?) back,

    A few more recent incidents:

    - MIM & Congress attack on Dr. Pravin Togadia during a private visit to Hyderabad (on the day of Jagan's aborted Warangal "odarpu")
    - SA attacks on R. Narayana Murthy (actor), Kambhampati Haribabu (BJP leader)
    - Lagadapati attack on a political rival at the Vijayawada rachabanda
    - SA "writers" attack on Nandini Siddareddy during the recent "tegulu conference" in Berhampore

    I am not surprised to see andh(r)a guys have both selective memory and selective morals :)

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  77. The center is aware of T demand. There is no need for TRS to create 'awareness' about it. What purpose did the bandh serve except making lakhs go hungry. And made many more hyderabadis anti-T. And 99.99% of muslim businessess were open all over Hyderabad. The bandh as a weapon for creating an impact about the demand for T is redundant. The issue is at a different level now. Can hyderabdis claim that in view of the failure of the bandh in Hyd, the people here are against T.

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  78. optimum solution

    - Separate state 2011

    -Hyderabad ,secunderabd ,greater hyderbad ,joint capital for 20 years i.e 2031 for both regions

    -Parallel capital develpment in Vijayawada -Guntur for 20 years till 2031

    - 2031 to 2036 Transition phase handover of govt to Seemandhra capital

    -2037 fully independent states with two capitals and large telugu population..

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  79. @scripthost:

    How much time & money are required to build a capital? Why?

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  80. 2037 fully independent states with two capitals and large telugu population..

    Actaully, we maybe independent countries and not states by the specified period.

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  81. @jai and @anonymous

    20 years is the estimate based on the additional govt buildings ,Infrastructre that was required to run the govt machinery ,after seemandhra merged into Hyderabad,i.e after andhra rule transferred from madras presidency to Hydearabad,it should be easier now with communication and Internet..

    yes ,It would cost money ,but it would be beneficial for both telangana and seemandhra ,If hyderabad keeps growing at its current rate ,it would become unbearabale to live in ...

    If 20 Years is not enough ,let us make it 30 ,let us solve this problem ,we are better than our politicians

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  82. After Telangana is formed, which party do you think

    a) will come to power
    b) should come to power

    Please justify your answers in a sentence each.

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  83. 20 is too long for setting up a capital city. I think the optimum is somehwere between 5 and 10.

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  84. @anonymous
    yes 20 might be too long ,but like our govt projects ,we should always estimate overruns,delays ,so 20 is a safe number of years.The sooner AP gets one more city ,the better will it be for telugu's .
    Tamil nadu,karnataka,Maharashtra,UP are all concentrating on Multi city model of development.
    We cannot cram so many people into hyderabad,It cannot simply take that much of Investments,land and water are becoming out of reach for common man in Hyderabad,lucky for us that we had an IT recession ,else there would have been riots for housing,because of the exorbiant inflated costs..

    A new state capital would give a good reason for developing other cities for Andhra's /Telugu's

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  85. @Scripthost,

    A couple of points

    - A capital city in Andhra need not be as developed as Hyd for them to move over.
    - Sharing revenues with Andhra for so long would mean development of Telangana would be slower than necessary

    I agree with your multi-city theory. Formation of Telangana is a positive step towards that model.

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  86. @anonymous
    Yes ,We do not need a city as developed as hyderabad ,Just for govt to function ,but It would give options for private investors,ordinary andhrites,NRI's ,a safe period to decide where to stay ,large MNC's need not change their plans drastically to move (in case they want to)

    This would keep hyderabad safer in the short term and stable in the long term.

    This would also reduce the animosity among various groups fighting for Hyderabad.

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  87. @anonymous

    Yes ,sharing revenues is inevitable ,but it is much better than people fighting over and saying thet they have been denied their share.

    As per game theory the two groups will never fight when both of them lose or gain equally...

    Since it has now become impossible to gain equally,let us share equally,We might get half the revenue(or whatever proportion as per court rules) but it will a rightful share .

    If rivers can be divided,gods an be divided,and spectrum can be divided ,so can revenue..

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  88. @Scripthost,

    I am not contesting the fact that revenues should be shared. I feel sharing revenues for 20 years might be detrimental to the take-off velocity of the development of the rest of Telangana.

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  89. @anonymous

    By 20 years i do not mean a stimulus type spending for 20 years ,Share ratio can change ,for eg 50:50 for first 8 years ,then maybe 60:40 for next six..and then maybe 80 :20
    (80 going to telangana ),

    finally after 20 years no one need to share revenue with anyone ,each can develop at its own speed.


    but overall people will feel safe ,Govts can decide numbers .

    Telangana is an aspirational issue apart from a pure economic issue,This way people's aspirations ofr a separet state will be satisfied..

    We have solutions to these problems,I am not a rich seemandhrite who wants to stick to his house in Hyderabad ,at the same time ,I have not suffered like the poor in telangana

    We ,have solutions ,we can reach them ,Intead of posturing and fighting like our politicians.

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  90. Green Star said...

    >> Infact, most of the Seemandr@ are looters, Ofcourse this would create angry to them, but is fact

    Muh tod jawab, even if not very correct:)

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  91. @ Sujai

    You are back. It’s unfortunate. Looks like our methods of being polite and decent towards you are not working out the way our Telangana Movement is not working out as long as it is decent and peaceful. Our enemy doesn’t respect politeness or decency.

    Good you keep posting statements like these including the great one you posted saying your blog was no democracy. It allows others to form their own opinion on the character of this blog which professes to be "open".

    And if your idea of "politeness and decency" involves hitting an MLA up, burning buses etc and crying about separate Telangana while denying the similar aspirations of people from Hyderabad who want a separate Hyderabad. I leave it to the judgement of other readers.

    Why separate Hyderabad?

    Simple. Because we want it. All other reasons that are needed are just superfluous to that. Is it possible? Yes it is. And like I said any form of separate Hyderabad is fine - Option 2, Option 4, Option 8, 9, 10 anything is fine.

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  92. @scripthost:

    No state including andhera asked or got 20 years. Kurnool (the great capital) was in shamianas.

    This 20/30 years is a nonsensical joke that andh(r)a guys want just to take care of their real estate interests LOL!

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  93. sera:

    Please stay off this blog.

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  94. //Why separate Hyderabad?//

    //Simple. Because we want it. All other reasons that are needed are just superfluous to that//

    Really,fantastic answer.....

    Sera,please keep posting such gems more often...
    It just makes our will stronger,to reach out to this forum,inspite of being tired and fed up,trying to explain our stand.....

    Or,maybe,next you are going to issue another disclaimer,that it wasn't you,who posted....

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  95. @ Sujai

    sera:

    Please stay off this blog.


    Please keep repeating that.

    This is perhaps the most peaceful way one can "express" their opinions. You can of course turn police and delete my comments is in your hands. Why don't you do that?

    And of course even as police by deleting my comments it is much more non-violent than what the protesters and the police are doing in the real world.

    And like you said earlier you could also "ignore" my posts and not respond to them like you gave a "call" before.

    You like to insult people and maybe it builds your ego. But when your pet theories of "geographical contiguity" are shattered with examples of Pondicherry or the old Nizam country itself which was land-locked by British you seem to lose patience.

    And you give specious thin arguments which can be poked easily and then you get upset.

    And what makes you think that when you say SKC report is a bunch of lies, the same cannot be said of everything you post.

    Anyway posting on your blog is perhaps not even 1% of the effort I am making. So maybe I will stay off but expect me back whenever Hyderabad is discussed. Maybe or maybe not.

    Delete me if I upset you so much. That's fine. I won't be upset, you can be sure ;-)

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  96. @Sujai,

    Let go....

    He is posting with anonymous i.d's anyway...
    Personally,stop responding to his trash...

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  97. Folks,

    Good news at last it seems Telangana and SA (may be Kostha and Seema) states will form this year, no need to wait till 2014 (i mean in this limbo). And Hyderabad as UT.

    All of us can focus on our core competencies.

    http://www.greatandhra.com//viewnews.php?id=27211&cat=15&scat=16

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  98. sera,

    i completely agree with you on seperate hyderabad.

    i think we should concentrate more on creating propaganda material via different kinds of media, which creates a mass histeria among the people of hyderabad spcifically targeted towards the poor,desperate,dalits,muslim and OBC population of hyderabad of all regions ,that if telangana is formed they will be loosing livelihood in hyderabad and hitech city will be shutdown and software industry will be wiped out and there wont be any jobs for cab drivers and auto walas , and tourism will be wiped out, all parks and theaters will be empty etc etc etc....the more worse the more effective.

    This propaganda must be targeted towards the poor/desperate section of population in hyderabad this may include local students of colleges because they will be loosing corporate colleges. It must have such an impact the moment government talks of telangana desperate should start burning public properties this must be achived very carefully untill its ready to be ignited with a small incident.

    once the weapon is ready the upper leadership must talk of democracy, peaceful protest etc etc ...and NO violence. We can plant a dummy upper leader but ultimately funded and controlled by investors...very important he will become our KCR....lol

    now we can start the game. why hyderabad we can give any reason like self respect,job loss,business loss etc....remember we can always jump to different reasons. if the center sets up a commission to find truth ...dont worry we can say its all lies.....

    basically whoever invests in the propaganda and the needs of dummy leader will reap benifits once hyderabad state is formed.


    Jai Hyderabad.

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  99. blueshift said...

    sera,

    i completely agree with you on seperate hyderabad.


    are you talking to the mirror?

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  100. @Blueshift,

    Hatred is a very strong emotion.So strong,that no amount of words can create or destroy it.....

    One has to experience it,to even understand it...
    Your sarcasm was uncalled for,and reeks of a deep refusal or denial to even acknowledge the intensity of the problem,forget wanting to solve it....

    By repeatedly failing our trials at self rule,and turning it into an oasis,you are burning all bridges of redemption....


    If you and sera are so pro Hyderabad,make a case for yourself first,and try getting that bill passed in the Assembly and the Parliament,if you can....

    And,stop propagating hatred in the name of free speech,till then....

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  101. Quote:
    "
    If you and sera are so pro Hyderabad,make a case for yourself first,and try getting that bill passed in the Assembly and the Parliament,if you can...."

    I doubt if they conduct a rally or a public meeting for there cause so that it can be attracted to national media.

    It is completely waste of everyones time to discussing this at this early stage, lets see if it becames a news making demand,,,, atleast like Rayala Telangana,

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  102. @Blueshift,

    Only a person who goes through the throes of pain can understand,what it is,or that it takes to endure it....
    You should have nerves of steel,to see their plight,hear their cries,watch their hopes go dry,and not get involved ....

    If the people of erst while Hyderabad State(Telangana),believe that the son(Hyderabad),they have nurtured with their toil and blood,refuses to acknowledge his parents plight today,one cannot but
    sympathise with them,and wish like hell that they endure the very same fate,they have thrust on others....

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  103. "If you and sera are so pro Hyderabad,make a case for yourself first,and try getting that bill passed in the Assembly and the Parliament,if you can...."

    when time comes you will see.....Telangana people CANNOT grab entire cake....

    "And,stop propagating hatred in the name of free speech,till then...."

    lol surprise surprise ....and surprise....i am sorry once telangana is in place we dont have any other choice to achive seperate hyderabad but .....

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  104. Blueshift,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy28HddVYRI&feature=player_embedded


    //when time comes you will see.....Telangana people CANNOT grab entire cake....//

    Looks like the time is going to come in soon.....How about you guys make a start on the case you were talking about??Or,are you guys too lazy,to start on one....

    //i am sorry once telangana is in place we dont have any other choice to achive seperate hyderabad but .....//

    Why should you feel that way???If we have struggled so hard to achieve our rights,we will not throw them away,alright,but,we would definitely respect what others go through to get there...

    Some of you'll claim to taking notes on all the movements,of the agitation and plan on repeating the very same back on us....

    Sera,is a classic example of Don Quixote,meets Dhiru Bhai Ambani,meets Adam Smith,meets Anna Hazare,meets Amitabh Bachchan cocktail.....and,looks like he has company.

    I am not sure,if you are the same blueshift who used to comment on this blog earlier...
    If you are,then you guys might as well plan on a reunion,of sorts,while you are at it....

    Sera,doesn't mind sponsoring coffee and cocktail conversations in favour of option 4 or maybe it is 2,as long as he gets to brag about hosting one...

    Good luck with your case.....

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  105. Our MIM official statement printed in last week Sakshi paper. MIM is not against to TG formation. We are fine with TG formation, if Rayala Telanganan is not possible.

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  106. తెలంగాణతోనే హైదరాబాద్: ఎంపి అసదుద్దీన్
    న్యూఢిల్లీ: రాష్ట్రాన్ని విడదీయాల్సి వస్తే హైదరాబాద్'ని తెలంగాణతోనే ఉంచాలని ఎంఐఎం ఎంపి అసదుద్దీన్ ఓవైసి కోరారు. హైదరాబాద్'ని కేంద్రపాలిత ప్రాంతం చేయడం మంచిదికాదన్నారు. ఇలా చేస్తే భద్రత సమస్య తలెత్తుతుందన్నారు. హైదరాబాద్'తో ఆటలాడుకోవద్దన్నారు. హైదరాబాద్ ఆదాయంలేకుండా తెలంగాణ అభివృద్ధి సాధ్యం కాదని ఆయన స్పష్టం చేశారు.

    Sakshi.com , 24 Feb, 2011 IST

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  107. Karim and Greenstar,

    Could you guys please provide some links for the said report here...

    Thanks.

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  108. [Karim and Greenstar,

    Could you guys please provide some links for the said report here...

    Thanks.
    ]

    As this news is in flash news section, it may not be available in next few hours when the website is refreshed with todays paper. Any way I took the screenshot, below I am providing both the links.
    Sakshi.com
    Screenshot

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  109. @ Lavanya :

    No need of links.Ask them to go through yes'day parliament videos or scrolls.

    MIM party rep owaisi said that if bifurcation is compulsory then it would be Telangana with Hyd as it capital.

    TG Venkatesh's statement "If bifurcation is inevitable then we don't even want to continue staying with them in the name of common capital.Bifurcate it with two different capitals."

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  110. @ Blueshift and Sera :

    You guys are back to square one.
    Inspite of creating so much havoc, no one is ready to see T issue and here you are dreaming about separate Hyd with just handful of supporters.

    Bad news for you guys is even SA politicians started to agree to T formation with two different capitals and they have no demands on Hyd.

    First you need supporters then you need a political face to take it forward.So,keep trying.All the best.

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  111. @ Lavanya :

    Here is a link of the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ZMuUxDCYU

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  112. @nitin,

    Thanks a lot for the link.I missed this part completely...

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  113. What I dont understand is you T-bigots are being governed by your region leaders and if they don't have balls to bring you some progress in the past 25 years, where do you think they will get in future. Hope you don't have a plan to share to bring the synergy.

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  114. @ Kostha :

    What I dont understand is you T-bigots are being governed by your region leaders and if they don't have balls to bring you some progress in the past 25 years, where do you think they will get in future. Hope you don't have a plan to share to bring the synergy.

    Was Mr.Potti Sreeramulu carrying the road map for Andhra when he started hunger strike ?Did anyone in this country had road map for the country before we got the independence ?

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  115. For gods sake, please stop comparing the whimsical T-movement with freedom fight. I got sick of this melodrama. The basic reason which you guys are brain washing the common man with : endless job opportunities in telangana state is utterly baseless. With government relinquishing every sector of it to private, where do you think all these lazy dumbers will get jobs.

    Need a job, get your ass of out of your bed and work for it. Need respect? earn it. Need a capital , build it.

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  116. @ kostha:

    where do you think all these lazy dumbers will get jobs.

    Need a job, get your ass of out of your bed and work for it. Need respect? earn it. Need a capital , build it.


    Your statement highlighted above ..... is the very reason why T-movement is comparable to Freedom movement.

    Your superiority complex and the discrimination you meted out to Telangana people as a group, calling them "lazy", "dumb" etc is what fueled the whole Telangana dissatisfaction, unrest and agitation for the past 5 decades.

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  117. @ Kostha

    For gods sake, please stop comparing the whimsical T-movement with freedom fight. I got sick of this melodrama.

    Yes.Sorry for comparing it with freedom fight which got subsided after 1857 sepoy mutiny and again came into scene after 1905.T movement is for longer period than our freedom movement which actually started a few years after 1905 ... only after the Lal Bal Pal trio took the initiation of inducing this "Home Rule" philosophy into ppl's brains.Otherwise it didn't occur to ppl to fight for freedom.All thanks to Lord Curzon who decided to bifurcate Bengal which is the starting point for all the rage.

    True i should not have compared to freedom movement for one more reason.We were submissive then but we are aggressive now.

    endless job opportunities in telangana state is utterly baseless. With government relinquishing every sector of it to private, where do you think all these lazy dumbers will get jobs.

    Ppl like you who only fought for things (Madras then,Hyd now) which are not yours don't know the feel of fighting for whats yours.When arrogant bums like you are kicked out after bifurcation then you will know how many jobs become vacant.Slowly you will understand that the movement is not whimsical and we know what we are doing and we have a method for our madness.

    Need a capital , build it.

    Please tell this to your MLAs and MPs.If building a capital is so easy,why can't you guys stop being a crybaby and leave Hyd to build one on your own ?

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  118. https://www.andhrajyothy.com/mainnewsshow.asp?qry=2011/feb/24/main/24main56&more=2011/feb/24/main/main&date=2/24/2011

    Asaduddin is against UT status for Hyd...

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  119. my guess on whats gonna happen in Future Andhra State after T formation. With T formed the Andhra Capitalists-lumpen classes will slowly but steadily loosing their ground in T state and would look to their Home state to continue their loot, with the Higher casts like Kammas totally Dominating the Numerically Superior BC castes in Andhra, Pseudo-Intellectuals like JP will have a Free-reign and they will call for more SEZ's and Neo-liberal economic policies, they will not have any Hurdles in their way in the form of "Naxals" or the poorly organised BC's of Andhra and as KG fields are sold to BP by reliance KG delta will become another Nigerian Delta. And this time TG people or a matter of fact any other neighbouring states wont be Accepting the Andhra migrants and these Andhras will have to Rot in their Sweltering Coastal Shit hole for the rest of the eternity.

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  120. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ZMuUxDCYU



    Even MIM wants Hyderabad to be within T-state, Owaisi said a seperate Hyd is Unfeasible and impractical, even MIM which has some what facist ideology and supporter of Razakars could Realise the Stupidity of seperate Hyd, Sera now the Only Place in Hyd where u can find supporters for Your Master Plan will be erragadda hospital.

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  121. And this time TG people or a matter of fact any other neighbouring states wont be Accepting the Andhra migrants

    These would be the first signs of breaking up of the "great democracy" called India. Don't underestimate shit-holes -sweltering or otherwise.

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  122. @ Anonymous :

    These would be the first signs of breaking up of the "great democracy" called India.

    The first sign was seen after Dec 9th,2009 announcement when central govt retracted.So,don't worry that will not be the first.

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  123. The first sign was seen after Dec 9th,2009

    Yes and No. If Telangana is granted soon (very much looks like it) as per the aspirations of the people, NO. If not, YES.

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  124. scripthost said...

    >> Yes ,We do not need a city as developed as hyderabad ,Just for govt to function ,but It would give options for private investors,ordinary andhrites,NRI's ,a safe period to decide where to stay ,large MNC's need not change their plans drastically to move (in case they want to)

    Have you been to Vizag lately? I just returned after a 4 days tour. The city is very well developed with great infrastructure. The weather is good (though humid like all coastal cities). The beaches & tourist areas (e.g. Borra caves) are excellent. The city is a major center for education (AU, GITAM etc.) and many MNC & Indian majors are already there. VSP, VPT, navy & a number of mfg. & service establishments have good employment opportunities. VMDA extends ~ 150 km (Tuni to Srikakulam) on NH-5.

    All it needs is a few buildings for assembly, secretariat, MLA quarters etc.

    FYI Vizag is the 2nd fastest growing city in India & 7th in Asia.

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  125. @ Andhra anons

    I too saw Vizag, It had no proper sewage treatment plants so was dumping Sewage in to Sea, the water quality at RK Beach is not much better than Hussain Sagar.

    The area near port was bearing all the signs of Massive pollution, from the Coal and Iron ore , thick soot was everywhere and I heard from locals that No one likes to live near the Port because the pollution and the salted-wind Corrodes and destroys all their electical equipment.

    And vizag is sorrounded by hills and only a narrow strip is beside the sea, so options for expansion are limited.

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  126. @ Anons Your Neighbours dont Invite to their house not because of some rule under "Democracy" but because of basic good-will, something Andhras exhausted a long time ago

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  127. Your Neighbours dont Invite to their house not because of some rule under "Democracy" but because of basic good-will, something Andhras exhausted a long time ago

    Great! BTW, I am a telangana and I don't agree with you.

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  128. <<<Great! BTW, I am a telangana and I don't agree with you.



    Iam fine with your Disagreement not because there is some Rule under "Democracy" that i should be fine with your disagreement but because its just that iam fine with it.

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  129. Iam fine with your Disagreement not because there is some Rule under "Democracy" that i should be fine with your disagreement but because its just that iam fine with it.

    Ok. Thanks. Is it because of the good-will owing to the fact that I am from Telangana (or I am not Andhra)?

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  130. Dunno about that but its definitely not because of JP's Gospels on Freedom of expression in Democracy.

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  131. @SLB

    <<< Tell me how violence will get Telangana?
    You can't?


    Violence may or may not get Telangana, but it definetely gets the attention of National Media( JP's assault Caught attention but the 10lakh peoples Mahagarjhana couldnt) .

    What TG movement needs right now is some national attention , Imagine how much it will get if andra Settler Robber Barons get attacked directly.

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  132. : In a sudden turnaround of events as the two-day bandh by the Telangana Joint Action Committee (TJAC) came to an end, students of Osmania University on Wednesday revolted against the OUJAC and declared that the separate statehood agitation would be fought by them without any JAC and all the students would be a part of it from now on.
    Mild tension prevailed on the campus in the afternoon with students attacking and ransacking the rooms of a couple of JAC members.
    After two days of violent clashes between the police and students, the situation remained tense on Wednesday but the intensity of protests came down. Students pelted stones on the police demanding the release of the students who were picked up by them since yesterday night.
    The revolt against OUJAC came after students questioned a JAC leader Rajender about why the JAC leaders did not come to the rescue of students who were allegedly picked up by the police who entered the campus.
    Rajender beat up one of the students which prompted the others to thrash him up. Rajinder then fled from the spot.
    Students who gathered in large numbers, starting raising slogans against the JAC leaders.
    The students, a majority of who are pursuing their post graduation in various streams, held a meet at the Arts College and declared that the ongoing separate statehood agitation would be fought without any banner or JAC.
    “We will fight as OU students or Telangana students but not under any JAC,” they announced.
    Later, they went to the B and C hostels and after gathering hundreds of students, went to the New Research Scholars hostel where many JAC members reside. They ransacked the rooms of some JAC leaders including those of Rajaram Yadav, P Ravi, M Anil Kumar, Kishore and Suman and later burnt some articles there.
    The students also went to Old PG hostel and damaged some window panes.


    <<< Thats why the movement should not be allowed to be Infiltrated by Political parties and their Stooges.

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  133. @ Kostha,SLB,Sera,Blueshift:

    You guys might not like this news.

    KPHB ppl sit for hunger strike supporting the cause of Telangana.Their statement is "Memu Seema Andhra vallame kani, samaikyandhra vadulamu kadu.Memu ikkada enno samvatsarala nundi untunnam.Maku Telangana kavali."

    Not sure how many are left to oppose Telangana or who support separate Hyd :-)

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  134. [What I dont understand is you T-bigots are being governed by your region leaders and if they don't have balls to bring you some progress in the past 25 years, where do you think they will get in future.]

    You are talking just like a British when we are fighting for Independence.

    By the way I am sure you didn't thought the same thing when you demanded the separation from Madras.

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  135. [The basic reason which you guys are brain washing the common man with : endless job opportunities in telangana state is utterly baseless.]

    It is not we brainwashed, it is you brainwashed by your leaders to think that ware agitation only for jobs or free money. I am really sorry for you.

    [Need a job, get your ass of out of your bed and work for it.]

    So, what is Girglani report about? Dont say that report is about who earned the job by getting there asses of out of there beds.

    [Need a capital , build it. ]
    For your information, we already had a capital, you left your dakota capital Karnoon for HYD, so it is time for your to start building your own capital, how shame it is when you tried to grab Madras, now trying for HYD? No end of loooting?

    [For gods sake, please stop comparing the whimsical T-movement with freedom fight. ]
    Nope, we dont stop, we keep comparing it with our Independence movement and your separatist movement in Madras, and Jai Andhra Movement.

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  136. [Sera now the Only Place in Hyd where u can find supporters for Your Master Plan will be erragadda hospital. ]

    I dont agree with this, erragadda@ are mentally challenged, but not stupids or idiots or fools.

    :)

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  137. [KPHB ppl sit for hunger strike supporting the cause of Telangana.Their statement is "Memu Seema Andhra vallame kani, samaikyandhra vadulamu kadu.Memu ikkada enno samvatsarala nundi untunnam.Maku Telangana kavali."
    ]

    Yup, I too saw this in the TV, by the way sara was just returning from there after finding they are not gonna with him.

    :)

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  138. TG said...

    >> It had no proper sewage treatment plants so was dumping Sewage in to Sea, the water quality at RK Beach is not much better than Hussain Sagar

    Yes, it needs to be improved. Much better than Vijayawada, Kurnool & Tirupati, the other competitors (and ongole, the recent fad).

    >> The area near port was bearing all the signs of Massive pollution, from the Coal and Iron ore , thick soot was everywhere

    Like Patancheru & Jeedimetla, though worse

    >> And vizag is sorrounded by hills and only a narrow strip is beside the sea, so options for expansion are limited

    They are expanding in the north-south axis (Srikakulam-Tuni).

    I think you are missing my point here. Some andh(r)a guys say they want lacs of crores to build a capital. This is a tactic to deny Telangana and extract (extort) money if this fails. I am ointing out that Vizag is quite well developed already and all it needs is < 100 crores for building assembly & a few other Govt. buildings.

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  139. For gods sake, please stop comparing the whimsical T-movement with freedom fight.

    I know why we can't compare. Even though Seemandraites are almost behave like British(actually British are better gentlemen), Seemandraites are not the outsides like British. SA are fellow citizens.

    But this guy failed to understand one other thing, if TG really feels SA as British, then TG would had Bagathsinghs, Ajaads, Subhashs etc to kick SA butts in violent paths.

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  140. తెలంగాణకు మద్దతుగా సమైక్యాంధ్రుల దీక్ష
    హైదరాబాద్: 1969లో వచ్చిన ఆంధ్రా గో బ్యాక్ నినాదం సరికాదని తెలంగాణ రాజకీయ జాయింట్ యాక్షన్ కమిటీ చైర్మన్ ప్రొఫెసర్ కోదండరామ్ గురువారం అన్నారు. కోదండరామ్ నగరంలోని కూకట్‌పల్లిలో సీమాంధ్రులు తెలంగాణకు మద్దతుగా చేపట్టిన దీక్ష ఆయన ప్రారంభించారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా ఆయన మాట్లాడుతూ ఆంధ్రా గో బ్యాక్ సరియైన నినాదం కాదన్నారు. ఆంధ్రా ప్రజలకు తెలంగాణ ఎప్పుడూ వ్యతిరేకం కాదన్నారు. కేవలం ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్, ముఖ్యంగా తెలంగాణ వనరులు కొల్లగొడుతున్న కొందరు వలసవాదులకు మాత్రమే మేం వ్యతిరేకం అన్నారు. రాష్ట్రం విడిపోయినంత మాత్రాన తెలంగాణలో బతుకుతున్న సీమాంధ్రులు అక్కడికి వెళ్లవలసిన అవసరం లేదన్నారు. వారూ ఇక్కడే ఉండారని చెప్పారు.

    వారికి కావాల్సిన రక్షణ మేం కల్పిస్తామని అన్నారు. తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రంగా ఏర్పడితే సీమాంధ్రనుండి వచ్చి ఇక్కడ బతుకుతున్న వారి సమస్యలను చర్చించడానికి మేం సిద్ధం అని ప్రకటించారు. కొంతమంది రాజకీయ నాయకులు తమ తమ ఆస్తులను కాపాడుకోవడానికే సమైక్యాంధ్ర నినాదం ఎత్తుకున్నారన్నారు. సీమాంధ్రులు కూడా చాలామంది తెలంగాణకు వ్యతిరేకంగా ఏమీ లేరని చెప్పారు. కాగా తెలంగాణ వచ్చాక కూడా తాము ఇక్కడే ఉంటామని దీక్ష చేపట్టిన సీమాంధ్రులు అన్నారు. మేం సీమాంధ్రులమే కానీ, సమైక్యవాదులం మాత్రం కాదని తేల్చి చెప్పారు.

    Source: OneIndia.in

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  141. Telangana fury is costing AP Rs 800 cr a day
    The non-cooperation movement for a separate Telangana has caused a loss of over Rs 2500 crore to the Andhra Pradesh state exchequer.

    State officials have estimated the loss at around Rs 800 crore per day due to this non-cooperation movement.

    The scenario is, however, not going to get any better in Andhra Pradesh until Parliament introduces the bill for the formation of a separate state.
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    On the other hand, the people of the Telangana region have been told not to pay bus fares during travel. This trend was started off by Telangana Rashtra Samithi chief K Chandrasekhar Rao who was arrested briefly for doing so.

    This trend has caught on among the people of Telangana and they have been defying the system. Initially, some of these persons were arrested, but now the authorities have stopped acting on this.
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    "The issue is before the Union government and is up to them to decide. We cannot be too aggressive with these protestors since it will only worsen the situation. We will not even go ahead and suspend the protesting employees, but action could be contemplated against the doctors and nurses since they cannot deny the people of a very essential service," sources said.

    All India Congress Committee Secretary P Sudhakar Reddy says that the government has to take a quick decision on this issue since the losses are building as each day passes.

    "If the government does not react soon, the state will witness a financial emergency," he said.
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    Source: http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-telangana-fury-is-costing-ap-rs-800-cr-a-day/20110224.htm

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  142. Open Debate On Hyderabad

    http://www.mirchi9.com/news/2011/02/24/open-debate-on-hyderabad-8abn/

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  143. Not sure how many are left to oppose Telangana or who support separate Hyd :-)

    అందరూ శాఖాహారులే కాని, గిన్నెలో పీతల పులుసు మాయమయ్యిందట.

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  144. @SLB

    hahah...Good one....

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  145. Quote:
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    అందరూ శాఖాహారులే కాని, గిన్నెలో పీతల పులుసు మాయమయ్యిందట."

    మాట మీద నిలబడని సీమాంద్రులు .. క్షమించాలి, చిన్న సవరణ .. మాట మీద నిలబడని శాఖాహారులు ఉన్నంత కాలం పితల పులుసు మాయమవుతూనే ఉంటుంది.

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  146. @Green Star

    hahah...Good one....

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  147. @Green Star

    copy cat :-)
    Show idividuality.....
    this is for Anonymous posted after Green Star.

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  148. T'Goons are rubbing their opinion on all the people.

    This will have severe repurcussions in future.

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  149. "You guys are back to square one.
    Inspite of creating so much havoc, no one is ready to see T issue and here you are dreaming about separate Hyd with just handful of supporters."

    Look at you people once, u r at square one now even after so many years of this issue.

    handful of supporters are enough to create the weapon i talked about in my previous comment.


    Thanks for T-Goons. Hyderabad will become another Beirut.

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  150. Sera, you should have changed your name to Bullshit not Blueshift,whether we make Hyd a Beirut or Belfast is totally Up to Us, both both cities are currently much better than hyd.

    Guess you changed your name after your Grand Master Plan is in tatters,think you lost your mental "balance" which was previously precarious.

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  151. @ Blueshift

    Look at you people once, u r at square one now even after so many years of this issue.

    We are in the processing of going back to where we started (trying to break the chains with Andhra).

    handful of supporters are enough to create the weapon i talked about in my previous comment.

    What makes you think that a disturbance from a small group of ppl will even be considered by the country and media that doesn't even count the struggle of ppl from entire region ?

    Thanks for T-Goons. Hyderabad will become another Beirut.

    I am sorry for arrogant SA ppl because they will feel very bad to have lost Hyd in the future.

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  152. @ TG

    Sera, you should have changed your name. . .

    Looks like TG you are getting paranoid and thinking I am blueshift. Let me clarify that I am not.

    If Hyderabad goes the Beirut way it will be sad.

    whether we make Hyd a Beirut or Belfast is totally Up to Us

    Its exactly that kind of answer which I have heard many times where it makes me feel that this agitation is built on negative grounds - hatred for others etc which further makes it imperative that Hyderabad should be separate.

    In this entire agitation no other city has suffered except Hyderabad. Warangal, Vizaq, Nizambad, Vijaywada every other city is not impacted except Hyderabad. All of you guys have made a mess of this city.

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  153. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Eminent-personalities-demand-Telangana-bill/251105.html


    HYDERABAD: Former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology PM Bhargava has appealed to the central government to introduce a bill on Telangana in the current session of Parliament .
    In an open letter to prime minister Manmohan Singh, UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and leaders of all political parties, the copies of which were released to the press here today, he said that since the Telangana movement reached a point of no return, the centre cannot go back on the promise it had made on the statehood demand.
    “People of the region rightly feel that it is now or never. The central government constituted Justice BN Srikrishna Committee to delve into the issue and make its recommendations.
    But after nearly 11 months of elaborate exercise, the committee has submitted a flawed report. There is a case pending before the High Court on why the committed kept secret the observations on the law and order situation on the basis of which it made the recommendations.
    The attorney-general himself has stated to the High Court that the committee has no legal standing and its report has no significant validity. After home minister P. Chidambaram declared on December 2009 that `the process of forming the state of Telangana will be initiated’, the process was halted by those who have a vested interest in Hyderabad city,’’ the letter, which was also signed by Hyderabad Forum for Telangana convener Rama Melkote and about 100 eminent personalities from various walks of life in the region, said. Bhargava also released three pamphlets _ ‘Appeal to All Political Parties’, ‘Whose Hyderabad is it?’ and ‘Telangana: A Turning Point in Indian Democracy’ - on the Telangana history and agitation.

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  154. Su:

    Sorry for the late response. Ideally I would like to answer such questions through personal e-mail. Since it is an open forum, I am limited in my response.

    I don't understand the politics of the Telengana formation, but I sure am worried about the future of my kids. The schools are going to be closed in anticipation of bandhs in Hyderabad. I am afraid for my husband's and kids' lives. What if we were travelling by car/auto or bus and people felt like throwing stones at it or setting it on fire.

    There are nearly 50 lakh people living in Hyderabad now and they all are going through similar experiences where they are not sure of what is going to happen. In fact, around 3.5 Crore people in Telangana share your plight. They are not sure what is going to happen. But majority of them do not think they are going to die or lose their life. Unless you cite an example of where someone lost a life because a protestor or an agitator has killed someone, I would tend to think that you exaggerating your fears to the point of making them nonsensical.

    To deny someone their fight for freedom because you are inconvenienced is being selfish. For nearly 54 years now, people of this region had to endure discrimination and suppression. Imagine you are living in Egypt or Libya or Bahrain now. Would you oppose their freedom for struggle because you are inconvenienced? Those who are feeling inconvenienced by their freedom struggle are leaving those nations.

    I really do not know of a place on earth where someone can guarantee you peace and safety forever. In Bangalore, we have occasional bandhs and this city witnessed rioting whenever trouble brewed over river water sharing with Tamils. In Mumbai you have terrorist attacks once in a while. Even a calm and peaceful place like New Zealand experiences earthquakes.

    What if there is no milk or food supply? It sure is scary.

    I was in Hyderabad during the recent bandhs. We did something very similar to what people do in US before a hurricane. Some cousins went and filled up petrol the day before and when others didn’t have it, they just shared it. A friend advised me not to take a car on the day of the bandh and I took his advice seriously. I took an auto to wherever I wanted to go by paying a little extra.

    Milk and food was available from a local store that was open in spite of the bandh. Though most restaurants were closed, upon calling few of them, one restaurant was ready to make home delivery – so we had biryani at home. According to me we had minor inconvenience – that’s because we were mentally prepared. Most of my family lives in Hyderabad and they are taking these bandhs in a stride.

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  155. Continued from previous comment

    Do you believe that deaths of innocents or major inconveniences to innocent civilians is necessary for Telengana formation.

    I don’t think the deaths are necessary. None of us preach to students or activists to go and commit suicides. Whenever a chance arises we speak to the students and implore them not to get agitated, not to get emotional, and remind them that it is a long drawn battle and that we need to see a separate Telangana first and then our actual struggle begins. We implore them not to give up so easily.

    I don’t know of any homicides during the recent agitations. If someone is feeding that news to you, it is unfortunate.

    Is a major inconvenience to the common man necessary? Many of us who support separate Telangana do not actively preach too many bandhs and strikes that cause inconvenience to our own people. There is a growing realization that we should not affect our own people. You will see the transformation in the way we will do bandhs in future.

    Having said that, please brace yourself for a grand showdown in the next few weeks. You may have to do better than preparing yourself for a shutdown of few days.

    Telangana people need to send the right signals to New Delhi and to our own elected leaders. If not for these pressure tactics our MLAs and MPs would not have woken up from their slumber. Our MPs and MLAs are now vociferously making a case for Telangana which is exactly what we wanted to achieve. Without successful protests, which includes bandhs, that would not have been possible. So, though I would not recommend it as medicine to all problems, a bandh is sometimes necessary to achieve the results.

    What about our jobs? If this is going to continue, I am sure all the major multi national companies are going to run away or will stop investing in Hyderabad.

    I think your fears are unfounded. Today, a spokesperson representing IT industry has to say that the industry is improving in investments and IT sector. None of the MNCs are moving out, though in the initial days they were a bit troubled. Now, they know how to deal with a bandh. You should do the same. If indeed, the city does not work out for you and your family, you could move to a better city. But then Mumbai witnesses terrorist attacks, and Bangalore witnesses occasional riots.

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  156. @Sujai:

    Just to complement your response to the concerned lady.

    My office was partially open during the bandh as we had a business visitor. Staff linked to the visit and those on high priority projects attended work. No one reported any problem as private vehicles were not stopped anywhere. Autos were limited & charged higher but still an option for a few guys that did not have a vehicle or pool with colleagues.

    I took the visitor out to a hotel restaurant that was doing thriving business (as the stand-alones were mostly closed). We also found a cheap eatery open for those staff who did not bring their food from home.

    My visitor was surprised at the peaceful voluntary nature. He explained that *everything* shuts down in his home state during bandhs.

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  157. This time Telangana people should do Agitation Tahrir Square Style, 10 lakh people must camp for days in the centre of city, preferably near Tank Bund and refuse to Budge till Telangana is formed.

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  158. Sera aka Blueshift,

    whether you like it or Not , Hyderabad belongs to us Telangana "goons" and arseholes like you should learn to live with that because Unfortunately for You we live in a Democracy ,aka peoples power( goons Power in your lingo). Too Bad for you and your khasyat gang that Nizam fled Hyd half a century ago, I know fools like you are earning for the good ol days.


    You compare hyd to Beirut before under sera thats why i got suspicious

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  159. TG said...

    >> Too Bad for you and your khasyat gang that Nizam fled Hyd half a century ago, I know fools like you are earning for the good ol days

    Don't blame an entire community because of one guy.

    Khayasths (and other non-Telugus) of Telangana are strongly supporting the movement. They were also in the forefront of the movement in 1969.

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  160. http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1474880.ece?homepage=true

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  161. "Congress at the Centre will have no option but to give into the demands of the pro-Telangana protesters.

    First it was violence and now a non-cooperation movement. The next in the line will be rail roko starting on March 1.

    If one notices, the Union government has not really done much to stop any of these agitations. All they have been doing is buying time . This is nothing but a ploy to ensure that the agitation intensifies to such an extent that they would be left with no option but to announce the formation of a new state.

    Congress party will have no option but to decide on Telangana.If they do not do so then it curtains for the party in the state. All this is due to the Jagan Mohan Reddy factor.

    With each passing day, Jagan is eating into the vote share of the Congress in the Rayalseema-Andhra region.The Congress, in turn, has realised that they would need to grab this opportunity and declare a separate state for Telangana which has a sizeable number of seats in the AP legislative assembly.

    They are focusing on those 119 seats (out of 294) in this belt which they feel would compensate for the loss they incur in the Seema-Andhra region due to the Jagan factor.

    If the Congress does declare a separate state then they become the 'heroes' in Telangana. This would also effectively mean that they will eat into the vote share of the Telangana Rashtriya Samithi.In the long run the Congress hopes it will draw the TRS into its fold.

    However, the Congress would buy more time to actually declare a separate state. They would probably first introduce the bill in the budget session and then commence the process."(from Rediff)

    From an emotional issue, Telengana has become a game of shrewd strategy and diplomacy. What do you say, Sera and the rest?

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  162. @ United Indian

    From an emotional issue, Telengana has become a game of shrewd strategy and diplomacy. What do you say, Sera and the rest?

    Like the way I always said it should be - political.

    But here its violence that's pushing the political wheels. Of course one should also agree that it is political double talk that pushed violence.

    So in this confusion, let's still wait and see the fate of Hyderabad. There are sounds that it may be a UT (or more specifically a semi-statehood status like Delhi/Pondicherry with its own elected assembly) and a capital of Telangana for functional purposes. Anyway these seem to be speculations. Lets wait and watch United Indian. Meanwhile lets all do our bit/s ;-)

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  163. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/eminent-personalities-demand-telangana-bill/251105.html


    Sera - stop reading junk and start reading some real news!

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  164. @ Anonymous

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/eminent-personalities-demand-telangana-bill/251105.html


    Sera - stop reading junk and start reading some real news!


    I have read that already. The tide definitely has turned. I saw it turning and that's the reason why I have always argued primarily/mostly on Hyderabad.

    Now is the time when the reality of Hyderabad is going to bite.

    Till now everyone was like putting that topic under the carpet - the SAs under the guise of United State and the TGs hoping it will never come up or that they could just rubbish it whenever it came.

    I have my sources of information which you may feel is junk. That's ok. When it becomes public and comes in a media I will also post the link for you ;-)

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  165. విద్యార్థిని ఆత్మాహుతి - మంటల్లోనూ జై తెలంగాణ నినాదాలు
    కోదాడటౌన్(నల్లగొండ), న్యూస్‌లైన్: తెలంగాణ కోసం గురువారం ఓ విద్యార్థిని ఆత్మాహుతి చేసుకుంది. కోదాడ మండలం రామలక్ష్మీపురానికి చెందిన అనిత స్థానిక ఎంఎస్ కళాశాల లో ఇంటర్ ఒకేషనల్ నర్సింగ్ ద్వితీయ సంవత్సరం చదువుతోంది. సాయంత్రం కళాశాల నుంచి ఇంటికి వచ్చిన ఆమె ఎవరూ లేనిది చూసి తలుపుకు గడియ పెట్టుకుంది. అనంతరం ఒంటిపై కిరోసిన్ పోసుకుని నిప్పంటించుకుంది. గట్టిగా కేకలు, పొగలు వస్తుండడంతో గమనించిన స్థానికులు అనితను కాపాడడానికి కిటికీలోంచి నీళ్లు చల్లారు. శతవిధాల ప్రయత్నించినప్పటికీ ఫలితం లేకుండాపోయింది. తలుపులు విరగ్గొట్టి చూసే సరికి మాడి మసైంది. మంటల్లో కూడా ఆమె జెతైలంగాణ నినాదాలు చేసినట్టు తెలిపారు. పోలీసులు కేసు దర్యాప్తు చేస్తున్నారు.

    Sakshi, 25 Feb 2011

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  166. Quote:
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    T'Goons are rubbing their opinion on all the people.

    This will have severe repurcussions in future.
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    SA' looters are looted till the lost drop there fellow brothers.

    This will definitely show them a horrible end, and that is what they are facing right now.

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  167. Quote:
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    Thanks for T-Goons. Hyderabad will become another Beirut."

    Are you on the same planet as mine, earth?

    Looks like only you see the different reality here, dreaming?

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  168. Quote:
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    Don't blame an entire community because of one guy."

    I agree with you, ....

    some times because of one or few culprits entire group/community has to face bad situations.

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  169. Quote:
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    @Green Star

    copy cat :-)
    Show idividuality.....
    this is for Anonymous posted after Green Star.
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    You are not only the అపరిచితుడు here....many....

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  170. Quote:
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    There are sounds that it may be a UT (or more specifically a semi-statehood status like Delhi/Pondicherry with its own elected assembly) "


    పాడిందే పాడరా పాచి పళ్ళ దాసరి ....

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  171. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/telangana-egyptlike-protests-in-hyderabad/144347-3.html


    Hyderabad: The movement for separate statehood to Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh is set to further intensify with an apex body of activists planning an Egypt-like protest in Hyderabad next month.
    The Telangana Joint Action Committee (JAC) plans to mobilise five million people to lay siege to the city in the second week of March in what is seen as a final phase of the movement for separate state.
    The JAC, which comprises Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and other political and mass organisations, hopes that people from all 10 Telangana districts, including Hyderabad, would participate in the protest.

    The activists want that the central government should immediately initiate the process for the formation of Telangana state.
    According to JAC convenor M Kodandaram, the protestors would block roads and not leave until the central government agrees to form a separate state.
    This is expected to be the biggest ever gathering for Telangana. The JAC is confident of a massive turnout as the movement has intensified across the region during the last one month.
    Buoyed by the huge public response to the two-day Telangana shutdown Tuesday-Wednesday and the impact it had even in Hyderabad, the JAC plans to go all-out for achieving its goal.
    On Friday it began holding rallies to express solidarity with about 300,000 government employees who are continuing their non-cooperation movement since February 17. The rallies will continue on Saturday.
    Rejecting the government's appeal to call off the movement, the Telangana employees have also threatened to go on an indefinite strike after March 5 if the central government failed to make a clear announcement on Telangana.
    The JAC leaders claim that the administration has already come to a standstill with the non-cooperation movement. The lawyers are also boycotting the courts while university students are participating in the protests for separate state.
    The JAC also plans 24-hour 'rail roko' and more protests to mount pressure on ruling Congress party legislators to join the movement.

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  172. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcudPrU68Xk&feature=player_embedded


    This is just a small bit,for all the hypocrites who claim,that JP's attack was undemocratic,and screamed from rooftops supporting him....

    How many people condemned these attacks on kids,women and teenagers????

    We have been witnessing the death of democracy every few days now...

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