Monday, October 03, 2011

Telanganas will not let go of Hyderabad

It is the foolishness of New Delhi and the arrogance of Samaikhyandhra proponents to suggest that Hyderabad may be centrally-ruled or be the joint-capital of two new states.   This proposal comes from a gross misunderstanding of the current sentiment of Telangana people both by New Delhi and by the Samaikhyandhra leaders.   All these days when Telangana agitations did not spillover into something what would be described as ‘uncontrollable’ or ‘violent’, these detractors got smug about their ambivalent and lackadaisical handling of the issue.  They started to believe that they can continue to ‘contain’ this people’s movement for years, and if needed, for decades, through tactics of delay and evasion by setting up meetings and consultations while suppressing the agitations through repressive measures.  They started to characterize the movement and its leaders as capable of barking but not biting.  They concluded that as long as they allow these leaders to continue to bark, the movement will never bite.  Therefore, New Delhi (like United States) allows Seemandhra (like Israel) to continue to occupy, control and rule Telangana (like Palestine) forever and forever while the resources and lands of Telangana continue to be used and colonized by Seemandhras.


The only reason the current intense movement has not spilled over into the zone of ‘uncontrollable’ is because Telangana leadership has taken immense care and precaution not to let it go out of control, even if it meant it produced no tangible results.  While it would have been much easier to attain separate Telangana through violent methods, resorting to arson, killing, pillage, looting, like what our Andhra brothers did when attaining their own Andhra State in 1953, the leaders of Telangana ensured that the movement did not become violent for certain reasons which are beyond the comprehension of New Delhi or Seemandhras.  The self-imposed restraint, instead of being appreciated, is derided and ridiculed as a sign of weakness, the way aggressive Chinese army laughed at passive resistance of Tibetans.

In the recent past, there were many instances and instigations provided by Samaikhyandhra activists that could have easily pushed the current Telangana Movement to go out of control.  Given the history of Telanganas who launched themselves into a violent Naxalite movement after the failed 1969 Telangana agitations, it would not have come as a surprise to an observer if the current Telangana Movement included armed resistance.  Yet, it did not.  

In spite of being one of the most popular movements in the recent history of modern India, where nearly 35 million people actively support the cause of separate statehood, where more than thousand agitations have taken place in the last two years, and where nearly 10 lakh state employees have gone on strike even after being threatened with loss of pay, the current Telangana Movement remains peaceful, nonviolent, and completely under control.  Even Mahatma Gandhi could not manage his agitations with so much restraint.  Telangana Movement is more nonviolent that any of Gandhi’s nonviolent campaigns.

To appreciate the sobriety of Telangana agitators, it makes sense to compare the behavior of Telangana people with their fellow Andhra brothers.  Though there are lakhs of Andhra people living in Telangana, there was a not a single incident of violence perpetrated against them in the last two years of intense agitations.  It is common knowledge that Andhra region does not have many Telanganas because they were never welcome there to begin with.  Recently, when some Telanganas crossed over the border to enter Andhra to visit a temple, they were brutally attacked and beaten up. 

The current Telangana Movement is unlike any other movement in the history of Indian subcontinent.  Though it is highly emotional, charged, and sentimental, it remains one of the most nonviolent movements, without ever attacking even one person belonging to Seemandhra.  Even at the height of the movement, the ire and anger of Telangana people was unleashed against their own political leaders, but not anyone else.  When one of the Andhra movie producers taunted Telangana people saying ‘they couldn’t even stop my movie, how will they achieve Telangana?’ the people of Telangana did not become violent, though it was an open invitation.

So, the question we have before is: when Telangana leadership surely knows that resorting to violent methods is a simple and easy step to attain Telangana why did they not allow the movement to go violent in spite of so many instigations from Samaikhyandhra activists and the dillydallying from New Delhi?

The answer lies in the learning from the history of Telangana which only the people of Telangana seem to appreciate while everyone outside this region seems to deride and ridicule.  Telangana has seen many violent movements in the past.  Starting with Sayudha Poratam of 1940s where the first and largest armed peasant revolution of India took place, followed by state-sponsored Razakar violence, to brutal suppression of 1969 Telangana agitation, and then to a prolonged and bloody Naxalite movement, the region has seen death of hundreds, thousands and lakhs of its own people.

Far bigger loss due to such violent movements was complete decimation of Telangana’s stillborn democratic institutions, which resulted in further marginalizing the marginalized, further impoverishing the impoverished, and further disenfranchising the disenfranchised.  These violent movements destroyed its political system paving the way for a government that was unrepresentative of its people, allowing Seemandhras to take control of Telangana region, their fates, their resources, their opportunities, their water, and their energy.  What took the biggest toll on the region was the complete emaciation of the region’s self-respect and self-dignity.   Being mocked as a lazy, drunkard, and rustic by the carefully orchestrated campaign by Andhras, the region lost its identity and confidence.

This learning from the history of past movements gave the leadership in Telangana a deep sense of appreciation of the dangers of a violent movement.  It has given them a sense of responsibility not to engage in violent methods, even if instigated by their opponents and rulers.  

Instead we will use every agitation to become stronger in our identity, in expression of culture, while continuously building the democratic institutions, thereby bringing political power to the common man, emancipating him from the social shackles, giving him the desired self-confidence, while keeping a check on our own leadership, so that when Telangana forms, we hope it will be a land of equal opportunity, of social harmony and overall prosperity. 

This self-restraint and this composure is often ridiculed by our detractors and seen as a major weakness.  Also, the prejudices of Andhras only make it worse – they think that this lazy lot cannot sum up energy, courage and unity to form their own state.  Hence, they come to the assessment that the movement can only bark, but not bite.  The detractors are deluding themselves that this movement lacks the bite.  They keep dreaming of further suppressing the region to rule this region forever.  In the worst case scenario, if a state has to be created, they want to deprive this region of its capital city and water resources to punish Telangana so that it is incapacitated and emasculated for a long time.   A plan is being hatched to make Hyderabad a centrally-governed city or a joint-capital with the hope that they can continue to flood the city with more and more Andhras so that there will never be a day in future when Telangana can claim this city for themselves. 

Such a move is fraught with misunderstanding and misjudgment of what Telangana means to Telanganas, and what Hyderabad means to Telangana.  It does not take into account history of people’s sacrifices for the cause and the capacity of this region to become extremely violent when pushed into a corner. 

Once the state is formed, Telanganas will taste the first morsel of victory.  You cannot deny the rest of the meal after that.  In fact the mere whiff of the meal provided by P Chidambaram’s statement announcing formation of new state on 9th December 2009 launched the two-year long agitations.  The people, who have been asked to restrain themselves till now, will unleash their pent up anger if denied Hyderabad.  It will be the ultimate betrayal; it will only validate their long held position that Seemandhras with the support from New Delhi have discriminated, marginalized and cheated this region for their vested interests.

There will be a backlash against Andhras which was carefully avoided all these years.  Hyderabad will witness a much magnified and vicious version of 1969 movement where slogans like ‘Go Back Andhras’ will appear on every door step.  That is not good for future of Telanganas or the future of Hyderabad which remains largely cosmopolitan unlike most Andhra cities and regions which are fairly homogenous. 

All this is unnecessary.  The current proposal to make Hyderabad a joint-capital or centrally administered region should be overwhelmingly rejected.  India has made stupid decisions in the past which it had to revoke later, but only after enough damage was done.  It made Bombay a centrally administered city only to give it back to Maharashtra, after violent agitations. 

Hyderabad should be made capital of Telangana without any conditions.  Any move to do otherwise will be counterproductive and will result in pain for the people living in this region.  Such dirty politics will only backfire eventually leaving a trail of destruction. 

I was talking to a friend from Telangana who remained unenthusiastic on this issue for quite long time now.  He was not keen on separate Telangana and was quite skeptical about the whole movement.  But when I told him that Telangana may be carved but without Hyderabad, he rose up in palpable anger, and shouted, ‘we will never allow that.  If it means I have to get onto streets, I will.  Telangana without Hyderabad is unthinkable’. 

51 comments:

  1. After a long time Sujai, as usual good one.

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  2. While it would have been much easier to attain separate Telangana through violent methods, resorting to arson, killing, pillage, looting, like what our Andhra brothers did when attaining their own Andhra State in 1953

    Good one...

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  3. Wow...you call a democratic region with universal suffrage as "colonized", you must be daft. And how dare you compare Telangana to Palestine, a terrorist state? What next? Are you going to call it Pakistan so you can separate out from India?

    The leaders of this agitation very well know that once any mass violence begins, the entire state will be taken into President's rule and the entire agitation will be silenced and the momentum will be lost. It is better they make sure it stays non-violent.

    With your half-brain ideas you will only provoke violent thoughts. When you want something that has been shared by all for yourself there has to be some compromise. Why should only the Seemandhra people take the loss? Telanganites wanted a separate state, they should bear some loss too.

    Ohh and you forgot about the attacks on buses and people from Andhra but gladly quote one incident on the other side (that too on a pro-T blog!). This stupid emotion is what brings enmity between two regions that speak the same language. It is not good for either regions which have to co-exist, at least geographically.

    Come to senses, control your rhetoric and see the reality.

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  4. I think the strike in Singareni is kicking there butt very hard. This act is still non-violent but working great than violent methods.

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  5. Do u call attacks on private travel buses including burning, movie shooting, burning film sets, attacking legislators, shopping malls etc NON-VIOLENT? Surely, Gandhiji’s campaigns were more violent . Indians never burnt or attacked fellow Indians. So, why are you blocking Indians from entering Telangana region? If Indians are not allowed to stay in India, the govt will not stand by. They know how to get things done. Yes. take up violence and try to see if u get a better life out of it.

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  6. telangana prajalaara mammalni kshaminchandi

    1956 lo andhra telangana merge ayyi ap form ayindi.daani tarvatha
    1.1961 lo hyd lo nims kattaru.it is now num1 hospital in ap.alantidi
    andhra rayalaseemalo ekkada kattamani memu govtni adagaledu.idi maa
    tappe
    2.1959 lo erpadini warangal rec ivalla country lone num.1 nit.alantidi
    ayalaseemalo ekkada kattamani memu govtni bandh,rasta roko
    cheyyaledu.kshaminchandi.
    3.alantive hcu, iiit, isb, iit, bits.ilantivi kooda ayalaseemalo
    ekkada kattamani memu govtni adagaledu.idi maa tappe
    4.worlds top 10 airports lo okati shamshabadh.andulo flights ekke
    vallalo ekkuva mandi maa prantham vallu.ayina memu
    tirupathi,vizag,vijayawada airports ni develop cheyyamani govt mundu
    eppudu nirahara deeksha cheyyaledu.idi 100% maa tappe.manninchandi
    5.ecil, bhel,drdldlrl,bdl,ngri,nin,.ccmb,iict-veetilo okkati kooda
    andhra rayalaseemalo ekkada kattamani memu rahadaarula digbandham
    cheyyaledu.idi maa tappe
    6.hi-tech city lo ekkuva mandi maa prantham vallu..ayina memu ndhra
    rayalaseemalo hitech city kattamani memu bandh
    cheyyaledu.kshaminchandi
    7.agricultural university ekkuva pantalu pande maa prantham loni
    east/west godavari jillallo pettakunda hyd lo pettaru.ayina memu nooru
    kooda ethhaledu.plzz excuse us

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  7. contd...
    8.nizamla kaalalo kattina underground drainage maintainance lo ayye
    kharchulo sagam pettina vja city mothham underground drainage
    vachhesi.ayina vja vallu eppudu noru teravaledmu.plzz excuse them
    9.1999 lo chandra babu naidu 2nd time cm ayinappudu maa pranthaam
    vallaki kooda entho mandi manthri padavi aasinchi raaledu.kani maa
    vallu evvaru maa jillaki pratyeka rashtram undaali ani udyamam
    cheyyaledu.idi kshamincharaani neram.dayachesi dayachesi maa tappulani
    manninchandi
    10.prapancha bank appulatho hyd lo flyovers and expressways katti aa
    appula bhaaram maa prantha prajala meeda pannula rupam lo vesinappudu
    maa rashtra rajadhani ani aa pannulani bharinchaame kaani telangana
    prantha nagaram ani eppudu anukoledu
    11.pattabhi seetaramayya gaaru sthapinchina "andhra " bank head
    officeni andhra pranthamloni machilipatnam nundi telangana prantham
    loni hydki taralinchinappudu rashtra rajadhaniki taralinchaaru ani
    anukunnam.andhra telangana ani eppudu anukoedu
    12.azharuddina bharatha cricket jattu captain ayina, sania meerza
    tennis lo pullela gopichand badmintron lo raninchinappudu, c.narayana
    reddygaariki gnanapeeth award vachinappudu maa rashtra prajalu keerthi
    sampadincharu anukunnam tappa vallu telangana prantha prajalu ani okka
    kshanam kooda anukoledu

    dayachesi mammalni pedda manasutho manninchandi

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  8. The Telangana issue is not so simple. And it cannot be compared to the other states which have been split up in the recent past for adminstrative convenience. An amicable solution is to be arrived at, in a peaceful way. Innocent people on both sides are getting affected because of the loose and inflammatory remarks of the so called leaders. Leaders have to exercise more restraint in their speeches. Unfortunately this is not happening because politicians are trying build their political fortunes on this telangana gamble, and so are using the people's lives and livelihood, and students' future, as pawns. Unless the people relaize this, things will continue to move in this fashion only.

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  9. @nenusaitham,

    Really gud pc of writing. Hv bn following this blog. Always surprised why this movement is being compared to the movement in Madras state. We were telugus and they were tamil.Were the states not being divided on the basis of language?

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  10. @nenusaitham:

    Do you think Kurnool would have got a world class airport if it continued as the Andhra capital? The answer is a clear no. Hyderabad's achievements are because of its already existing infrastructure, centrall location, good climate and rich culture. Being capital is actually a burden on the city.

    Industries flocked to Hyderabad to join in the city's prosperity. Your strange "tail wags the dog" logic shows you are a victim of propoaganda.

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  11. Sujai,

    I am as much a Telanganite as you can get. Having said that, I still labour with the fact that the people of Telangana are in general, lazy. I live in the US and visited Hyd recently for an extended stay. During my stay, I had to hire two drivers during different time preiords. I paid them prevailing salary and almost gave them very significant amount of tips almost every day. My only requirement was that they say late occassionally, while still gettting off on 3-4 days a week.

    You know what, it happens that both these people belong to the T region. They stopped coming after few weeks of work, probably because they were flush with the money I gave them and decided to take some time off.

    These couple of experiences aside, I have seen enough people from Telangana who work very hard. Still a life time of experience says that Telangana people are lazy. I still struggle to explain away the fact.

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  12. Finally, the ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY is going to come to effect. Enough of this drama.

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  13. Rational ThinkerOctober 11, 2011 1:18 PM

    Best case scenario right now for TG is formation of the state with Hyderabad as shared capital for 10 years. KCR and other TG politicians have been making statements supporting this idea. Ofcourse, all of this is assuming that there are no agitations in the SA region. I read somewhere that the SA regions are gearing up for similar large scale samme in case the center considers dividing the state. I mean seriously, how difficult is doing something like Sakala Janula Samme for SA people? They can do all this shit with even more intensity. If all it takes is a Samme to have things your way then everyone can take this approach. Just apply equal and opposite force to maintain stable equilibrium (we have already seen this after Dec 9th 2009 statement by Chidambaram).

    Worst case scenario is status quo. The congress party's approach seems to be:
    1. Build consensus within their own party first
    2. Build consensus among all political parties in the state (or at least get them to attend an all party meeting). Chidambaram and Manmohan have reiterated this a hundred times
    3. Build consensus within the UPA partners

    Now let's see how long just the FIRST step takes.

    Sujai, If you think you can just demand TG state with sole ownership to HYD (I mean without letting SA share Hyd as capital till they build their own), please WAKE UP. It ain't gonna happen. 42 years have passed by since 1969. Another 42 years will pass by and NOTHING will happen. By then HYD city will be much more homogenous in terms of demographics making it even more complicated problem to solve.

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  14. Sridhar:

    …I still labour with the fact that the people of Telangana are in general, lazy. I live in the US and visited Hyd recently for an extended stay.

    I am not sure if that experience of yours alone characterizes entire Telangana people and region, but what you said could be better appreciated if I gave some of my experiences living in Bangalore. In my apartment complex not a single maid hails from Karnataka. All of them are migrants. The watchmen are all migrants. There is no Kannada person working as a maid or watchman or driver. The reason is that before I even moved into the city, a general consensus was arrived at in the area where I live that Kannada people don’t want to work, that they shirk from work, take leave at any time, etc. The migrant population is seen as hardworking, while the locals are seen as lazy. I believe this comes about because of many historic reasons and we could go into that as a different topic. What I want to say is this- I cannot characterize entire Kannada people as lazy just because of my experiences in a specific context.

    In Bangalore, most of the Telugu people, whether they are Andhra, Rayalaseema or Telangana, are seen as hardworking. In fact, many Malayalees and Tamils are seen as hardworking.

    That means the migrants are seen as hardworking while the locals are characterized as lazy.

    If such a characterization is spread to other regions of Karnataka leading to discrimination of local people, there is a chance that there will be a rebellion by the Kannadiga population against migrants. Thankfully, it has not reached that gigantic proportion as of now.

    Karnataka can make amends by enforcing that the companies should hire at least certain minimum number of Kannadiga workforce to alleviate the problem before it becomes an issue.

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  15. What an article and what a title - "will not let go of".

    Doesn't it sound like a husband who will not let go off his wife even though she wants divorce. Its easy to want something which is not yours.

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  16. @jai

    kurnool might now have got world class airport but,
    begumpet airport was made international before being shifted to shamshabad way back in 1997 whereas vizag airport was made international just 3-4 yrs ago whereas vijatawada rajamundry and tirupati airports are still domestic.
    nenu rasaadhe state vidipovala ledha ani kaadhu, maa prantham samasyala gurinchi

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  17. There's no question of Telangana forming without Hyderabad. Hyderabad has always been/will always be an integral part of Telangana. There's no room for debate on this question even. Andhras should not make a fool of themselves and accept Hyderabad as a forever-joint-capital or a UT etc. Either state has to be united with special/concrete measures/protections with respect to the development of Telangana and its people/culture OR the state has to be trifurcated with two new capitals to Andhra and Rayalaseema.

    * People speaking same language who cannot remain united even after 60 years deserve to get seperated - and going by the history - not into two but three parts, Andhra, Rayalaseema and telangana.

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  18. Palestine, a terrorist state?

    So, you have your own list of terrorist states which may not match with world list. As of Wikipedia, it is not a terrorist state, OR Am I reading wrong?

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  19. Indians never burnt or attacked fellow Indians.

    Really? As per your logic India shouldn't have a single murder case. Or all the murder cases are involved with non-indians?

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  20. Were the states not being divided on the basis of language?

    If the states are divided on language basis, why did we have more than one hindi speaking states?

    What's wrong in staying with Tamils?

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  21. Finally, the ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY is going to come to effect. Enough of this drama.

    I have been hearing this from past couple of years. ......enough with punch dialogs...start the action

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  22. @nenusaitam.

    That post "telangana prajalaara mammalni kshaminchandi" was hilarious.

    Airport, IT Park etc etc are not something that can be build anywhere. You can pour thousands of crores on Vizag airport, but you can not make air lines to make a stop over there, flights will come only if they think it is profitable for them to send a flight to Vizag. Airports development depends on the number of flights land at that airport.

    Same thing about ecil, bhel,drdldlrl etc etc. Microsoft can not just come to my village Narsing@Medak and build a campus over there. That is not feasible for them because Narsing is not enough resourceful(in any way) for them to start a campus.

    hi-tech city lo ekkuva mandi maa prantham vallu..ayina memu ndhra
    rayalaseemalo hitech city kattamani memu bandh cheyyaledu.kshaminchandi


    This is really mind blowing. Just tell me one thing, what do you mean by Hi-Tech City? How hard it is to build such building any other place like Vizag or Vijayawada? Even a private person can build such building. So what stopping you to get such building? The door stopper is not many companies(may be none) will come to many of your cities even Govt build a HiTech city kind of buildings because it is not feasible for companies to choose one of the Seemandhra cities over HYD.

    At some time there were more AP students in Karnataka engineering colleges, just because AP students are in majority in few Karnataka colleges you can not demand them to move the college to Andhra, there are few companies in USA where the majority employees are from India, just by showing that reason you can not make them to move the company to India. Same applies to your Seemandra majority in IT-HYD. You people came here because there is a opportunity in HYD, if you get another better opportunity in Banglore I am sure you guys will move to Banglore, and you can not ask to move the Banglore to Seeamdandra just because you think you are in majority.

    agricultural university ekkuva pantalu pande maa prantham loni east/west godavari jillallo ettakunda hyd lo pettaru.

    Are you serious? Dont say you hit with a truck recently. Not all thermal power plants are near to coal mines. Not all army campuses are near country borders. Not many farmers lives in his farms.

    Any way, I think you are loosing your mind.

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  23. What the hell is going on in the state of A.P.? Complicated issue? My foot. Consensus is impossible. Meet demands of one party and ask the other party to shut the f*** up.

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  24. Indira Gandhi was such an idiot. In 1969 she used force/blackmail to end the uprising - only to force a wrong solution. The solution now is to use force in the other direction.Carve T and this region will never see another agitation. I hope I will have a chance to type "RIP Andhra Pradesh", pretty soon :)

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  25. >>>> I mean seriously, how difficult is doing something like Sakala Janula Samme for SA people? They can do all this shit with even more intensity.

    Being from SA and having some knowledge and understanding of people there, in comparison with Telangana people

    It is evident that a opinion/desire could be generated/instilled in all Telangana people. It is not possible in SA regions.
    This can be interpreted differently by different people lack of unity, dissention, democracy, groupism etc etc.
    Whatever name given the fact remains people of SA region crossed the stage of uniform thinking like our TG brothers.

    To put rather harshly, the degree of 'gorrela manda' behvior is far less in SA compared to TG.

    On the other hand leaders there can come together, regardless existing divisions, to create a sense of unity.
    In last century SA region witnessed many divisions, factions, groups in political establishment.
    But in this sort of situation they can put up, though temporary, artifical unity.
    Needless to say our TG politicians lack such unity and keep fighting each other even during intense agitation.

    Request:
    Please do not respond to it with nitty-gritty and silly exampls like SC/ST from Andhra want separation, one potturi venkateswara rao hates Andhras...

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  26. The state is not going anywhere. It will stay UNITED period. There will not be any agreement that will be acceptable to both sides. Both sides could indulge in violence, protests, bandhs etc. If seemandhra leaders are forced on to negotiating table, they will make sure no agreement is reached for water, power etc. Politicians in Telangana can destroy the livelihood of poor shopkeepers, students and labourers while enjoying liquor and movies, but they can never force an agreement. Let the politicians fight and destabilize the region as long as they want. They will NOT get the state with these means.

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  27. @green star

    im not asking industries and it firms to be set up in godforsaken villages
    but the million people of vishaka and vijayawada and half a million ppl for guntur and warangal definetely deserve better employment oppurtunities even in their home towns and NOT JUST in their state capital

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visakhapatnam#Economy

    the above link shows that the s/w exports of vizag rose from ground zero to 1000 crores in the last 7 yrs.
    had chandu planned something better for that city as well along with hyderabad, the siatuation would have been somewhat different today.
    maa seemandhrula sangathi pakkana pettu, dont u think that when warangal can be "feasible" enough to start a national institute of technology, definetely it also can afford to have firms which apply that same technology???
    the main reason i support telangana though im not from that region is that i feel decentralisation is a major answer to many of India's problems.
    not just a.p but all Indian states with a population 7 crores and population shd be bifurcated, in my opinion.
    this will result in more number of "growth centres" instead of 1-2 cities getting developed all the time

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  28. @green star

    "Fazal Ali report also mentioned that they are facing financial embarrassment, and the only solution to fix that is to merge with Telangana. "

    i fully agree with you, the reason being that we dint get our share while parting from madras.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=msw-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=W0wMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4365%2C259207

    please read nehru's comments in the above link which he made just a day after andhra state got seperated from madras. he says "KURNOOL HAS BEEN CHOSEN BY THE ANDHRA LEGISLATORS WITH THE HOPE THAT KURNOOL WOULD BECOME THE CAPITAL OF ANDHRA"
    that means that our forefathers dint develop kurnool as they felt that sooner or later, vishalandhra would be formed.

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  29. but, at the same time kindly note that there is a difference between "state" being rich and "people" being wealthy.

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hyderabad_CM_Burgula_Views_about_merger

    please read points 5 and 6 in the case AGAINST vishalandhra.
    of course, there are negative remarks against our forefathers in that report.

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  30. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/India_States_Reorganisation_Commission_Report_Telangana_Andhra

    please read point number 373 in the case for vishalandhra and point number 378 in the case for telangana in the above link.
    konni vishayallao meeru ekkuvatithe konnitilo memu.
    its not as though in 1956 telanganites had everything and andhra people(not the govt) had nothing

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  31. I have been hearing this from past couple of years. ......enough with punch dialogs...start the action

    Maybe you miss full articles of all the crying when action is taken :)

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  32. To Sujai, who said below while replying to Sridhar..

    "That means the migrants are seen as hardworking while the locals are characterized as lazy. "


    This is the fact.. As a bunch of Andhrites (as migrants) earned big money in and around hyderabad due to their hard working nature, few jealous Telangana politicians started the propaganda of "Andrites looting TG..", ultimately almost all TG people have been generalizing this 'misconception' to "all Andhrites looting TG.." This (misconception) is the fact, unfortunately. That's the basis for this hatred campaign and separate TG movement. This is the fact.

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  33. Hey common guys....If development didnt happen in Telanga how can you blame someone else rather than your own leaders?You elected your area leaders and not from Andhra or Rayalaseema.Your MLA's MP's are from your place.110 MLA's from Telanga still what they did to your area?Did you ever do the samme or rastha roko for development of Telangana against your leaders?Nope..why?First ask them because they are responsible for it.Not Andhra people.Stop blame game.Clean your .... first.Later blame others.If leaders continue to be like this then even after formation also it reamins same even after decades.

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  34. that means that our forefathers dint develop kurnool as they felt that sooner or later, vishalandhra would be formed.

    Are you sure about that? or you just assuming? I posted a 'Andhra Patrika' news article some time back, which says your Andhra leaders saying there is no hope that building there capital will complete soon because of financial problems and there only hope is to merge with Telangana.

    You can not change the history at your convince.

    Potti Sree Ramulu sacrificed for Andhra state with Madras, but your guys wasted his life by accepting Andhra state without Madras and it is your mistake to accept a state which is hard to survive on its own. It is your mistake and we have nothing to do with it. I was just reminding the financial status of both states at the time of merging, my only point is every one in the country was worried about Andhra's future financial status.

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  35. chandu planned something better for that city as well along with hyderabad, the siatuation would have been somewhat different today.

    He planned it well, you seems to think he didn't.

    As I explained you can not build few buildings on the name of IT at any place and expect the IT business grow up. A decade ago Vizag is not a ideal place for IT business because it is too far from many other places, lengthy drive, no flight/international connection. Now the picture changed, Hyd is packed, several airlines running flights to Vizag etc gave some IT business to Vizag.

    dont u think that when warangal can be "feasible" enough to start a national institute of technology, definetely it also can afford to have firms which apply that same technology???
    It is your seemandra leaders who moved few institutes from other Telangana areas to HYD saying HYD is our capital and that should be in HYD.

    this will result in more number of "growth centres" instead of 1-2 cities getting developed all the time
    So, what stopping you to do that? Why dont you support for bifurcation and show the example of Telangana/Seemandra state development to country and ask for what you wish now?

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  36. Maybe you miss full articles of all the crying when action is taken :)

    So, what stopping you to shut our mouths for ever? Dont say you may piss in your pants thinking we may revolt and crush you for crossing your lines? We do what ever we want to, and we showed it many and many times. Even you cried here many times that we are started kicking your guys. All you can do in return is blasting few punch dialogues, and I already started enjoying such reaction from you.

    I know your cry, no one supports your 'Separate HYD' and you are a alone baby in deep jungle.

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  37. Not Andhra people.Stop blame game.

    So, you Andhra people stole our jobs, Funds and water. And our leaders failed to stop it.

    So, now what you saying is because our leaders failed to guard you looted our house and you still want continue this.

    Our action is first we kick the outsides out, later we clean our house and think about what to do with our leaders. Thank you for your suggestion.

    Before giving such free advises think about why you asked your own state from Madras.

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  38. few jealous Telangana politicians started the propaganda of "Andrites looting TG..

    So, breaking Gentlemen agreement is not real, just a propaganda.

    Stealing 24000+ jobs(GO 36) immediately after merging is not real, just a propaganda.

    Agitating against Supreme Court orders(1972) is not real, just a propaganda.

    Bhargava report which tells about your loot from our tax money is not real, just propaganda.

    Acceptance for Telangana by all your leaders before the Dec-9th statement is not real, just propaganda.

    Do you have any more points about these 'propaganda's ?

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  39. I was talking to a friend from Telangana who remained unenthusiastic on this issue for quite long time now. He was not keen on separate Telangana and was quite skeptical about the whole movement. But when I told him that Telangana may be carved but without Hyderabad, he rose up in palpable anger, and shouted, ‘we will never allow that. If it means I have to get onto streets, I will. Telangana without Hyderabad is unthinkable’.

    I actually personally understand this sentiment/statement.

    I have friends who express the same.

    I ask them: Do you agree with the first level of the argument (TG vs Andhra and separation). They all agree they do not.

    And I tell them the problem is you start with wrong assumptions or ideas you end up with wrong consequences and finally wrong results like "separate hyderabad".

    Not that I also want it personally but i firmly believe that we can't have hooligans like KCR, KTR and a shiv-sena like BJP want to take over this issue. We definitely cant allow that and to that extent we have to fight to keep Hyderabad separate.

    And we have joined hands (not very happily I should say) with Andhras to see to it that Hyderabad is not contaminated with the KCR, KTR and BJP kind of future possible hegemony. And let me add here that we have even the Owaisi and non-Owaisi muslims in support of us.

    We are all just waiting for a Dec 9th kind of statement for separate Hyderabad and then we will ERUPT. Like Sujai says "whiff of taste" is what we want and for that we are now friendly with the Andhra guys. Not that we trust them or support them.

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  40. I have done a lot of thinking/reading on the telangana movement and my personal opinion is, after squaring off the positives and negatives of separation movement and United movement, Telangana movement wins and by a comfortable margin. I am strongly in favor of a new Telangana state. All the best Telangana.

    - A Telugu guy.

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  41. So, you Andhra people stole our jobs, Funds and water. And our leaders failed to stop it.

    Ha ha ha ha.....Good joke...jobs cannot be taken.If you are working you will know how to get a job.Job is gained with talent and hardwork.Except like politicians and corrupted officers.If you have talent then u can get job anywhere.As you accept your leaders failed why the hell are you not blaming and asking them?Why are you crying on others?

    Kicking outsiders out.

    Then why the hell Telangana people are staying in USA,Bangalore and other parts of country and states.They should also be kicked out by kicking on their ......

    I believe you people dont have common sense and believe in your netas blindly.What ever they say you believe and go with it.Think.If Telangana is not developed from the last 60 years then there should not be increase in the literacy.There should not be people working in US and in Software industry.There should not be so many doctors,hospitals,mobile networks and the people using all these services.There is development.Read latest Financial Express survey on Telangana.It fared well when compared to other parts of Andhra.It fared really well than Rayalaseema.Its like someone told that they scolded us so started scolding others without knowing the truth.Here your leaders told and you are following.Always dont tell punch dialogues that you people are taking jobs,blood and all.It sounds funny when your leaders and you tell the same thing.

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  42. Telangana movement wins and by a comfortable margin.

    Agreed. Ask for the old Hyderabad state and we Hyderabadis will be with you.

    Otherwise you go your way. The seemandhras will go their way and the Hyderabadis will go their way.

    You cant have a distorted history reinstated. Either its the old history intact or let it be a new history or the status quo. You decide.

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  43. I do not care if Telangana is given or not given. I also think the basis for separation is flawed. you spew out words like Andhras quite liberally, but how do you or anyone decide who is non-telangana and who is from telangana? what gives you or anyone the right to decide that one person is from Andhra while another isn't?

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  44. I do not care if Telangana is given or not given. I also think the basis for separation is flawed. you spew out words like Andhras quite liberally, but how do you or anyone decide who is non-telangana and who is from telangana? what gives you or anyone the right to decide that one person is from Andhra while another isn't?

    Who cares who is andhra and who else is Telangana. All we want is Telangana state.

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  45. .Job is gained with talent and hardwork.
    So you need to read our constitution and know how the reservations work in your local region versus other regions in India and read USA constitution to know how H1B work VISA works in USA. And ask your forefathers why the hell they signed the Genglemen Agreements when you guys know jobs can be achieved only by talent and hard work.


    I believe you people dont have common sense and believe in your netas blindly.
    Are you guys not believing your beloved Andhra Gandhi Lagadapati? It works the same way here in Telangana.

    Read latest Financial Express survey on Telangana.
    Yes, we know about out development, our only worry is if you are not there to steal our resources then we would have been like number one state in India, .... satisfied?

    It sounds funny when your leaders and you tell the same thing.
    Yeah, it is even funner that you caught red handed when stealing our jobs(GO 36 and 610) and funds(Bhargav report), still you say you are innocent. You guys really has talent for acting in movies.

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  46. @Green Star
    Who cares who is andhra and who else is Telangana. All we want is Telangana state.

    So, is it ok with you if we rename Andhra Pradesh to Telangana ? We'll have a very big Telangana state :)

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  47. @green star
    gentlemen's agreement was signed at a time when seemandhra was ahead of telangana in terms of education.
    but now times have changed.several telanganaites including the owner of this blog have secured higher and technical education and also achieved good jobs in India as well as abroad.they did this purely based on their talent and not on any agreement's or G.Os.
    ilanappudu kooda inka maa pranthamlo udyogalu maake kaavalai ani adagatam correctaa???

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  48. >>So, is it ok with you if we rename Andhra Pradesh to Telangana ? We'll have a very big Telangana state :)

    Yes, at the same time you can removed other thirteen (seemandra) districts from that new Telangana state, then this new state will be perfect.

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  49. gentlemen's agreement was signed at a time when seemandhra was ahead of telangana in terms of education.
    but now times have changed.several telanganaites including the owner of this blog have secured higher and technical education and also achieved good jobs in India as well as abroad.they did this purely based on their talent and not on any agreement's or G.Os.


    Yes, now the things are totally changed, but you also need to remember that the Gentlemen Agreement was violated by Seemandra@ when Telangana was still lot backward than Seemandra infact that agreement was violated right from the first day of merge. We would have been in lot better state than current if that agreement was not violated or merge didnt happened.

    ilanappudu kooda inka maa pranthamlo udyogalu maake kaavalai ani adagatam correctaa???
    That is obsoletely stupid question, so far you had more share of bread than you deserve, now you want equal share by forgetting what we have lost so far.

    Still there are plenty of reports shows Seemandra@ dominate key positions in all departments, it happened only because you people have violated the agreements in the past.

    Do you have any plan about how to give us back what we have lost in the past? What guarantee you can give that you dont do the same in the future? You havent betrayed us single time, you have betrayed us many times, and you are not a trustable partner. We dont want to do spend our rest of lives guarding our resources so that you dont do the same again in the future.

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  50. Hyderabadis will NOT let go Hyderabad.

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  51. Hyderabadis will NOT let go Hyderabad.

    Hyderabadis SHOULD NOT let go of Hyderabad. Nobody is asking for that.

    The way Delhiites did not let go of Delhi when India and Pakistan was formed, and the way Bombay residents did not let go of Bombay when Maharashtra and Gujarat were formed, Hyderabadis should remain in Hyderabad irrespective of whether the city is in Andhra Pradesh or in Telangana.

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