tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post1119646533705943919..comments2024-03-27T13:09:26.512+05:30Comments on E=mc^2: Should President’s Rule be imposed to create Telangana? Sujaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-65951659031574250522013-11-24T12:22:51.406+05:302013-11-24T12:22:51.406+05:30Sujai, I would like to correct my statement a bit....Sujai, I would like to correct my statement a bit. I read in todays ToI paper on this. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Book-counters-Kiran-Reddys-claim-says-Indira-favoured-granting-Telangana-in-1969/articleshow/26284822.cms?<br /> <br />I feel the UN petition has nothing to do with our state reorg as AP divided or undivided is part of india and that dispute of HYD should have nothing to do with it. creation of a state internally as per our constitution power rests with parliament. Dispute had been there if TG is created or not created<br />I suspect the timing of release of these books. similarly a letter was released last year saying 1st CM of HYD state B.Ramakrishna rao supported TG formation. They are released to get some support for TG,<br /><br />No political party in india has principles on re-organisation of states. Rajaji, Nehru, patel were personally against lingusitic states but they agreed later. only ambedkar had a opinion on how states be organised. Ambedkar supported 1-state, 1-language policy and was supporter of lingusitic states and addressing various identities. If AP is united or divided it doesn't effect the PM chair of Nehru or Indira. Indira doesn't have anything against AP united or division, only political survival matters.<br />AP is a strong congress bastian from 1947 in south (TN had Dravidian parties, kerala under communist) and even though congress lost base in north (UP) in 1967 when charansingh formed the Govt. She doesn't want another non-congress govt in another state and managed to get chennareddy TPS merged to congress and congress ruled ap continuously till 1983<br />Now congress released if TG is created they can come to power atleast in TG and anyway if AP is united they can't come to power for 3rd time. similaryl BJP, CPI are supporting as they see some growth potential in TG as they dont have base in seemandhra. If principles are reason they should have created in 2009 or they should declare a policy of re-org of states. National parties like Cong, BJP atleast should have a consistent policy on states re-org. BJP says its supports smaller states but whats their definition of a smaller state? How they want the Internal Map of india to look like. No one has any policy. IF we go by peoples agitation then will they support Gorkha or bodoland where people have agitated? They dont see any benefit as they are not rich states and also they dont have required MP seats :-)<br /> Anilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-11497221004489546212013-11-20T11:10:48.510+05:302013-11-20T11:10:48.510+05:30Yeah. Once Seemandhra agrees in principle to the f...Yeah. Once Seemandhra agrees in principle to the formation of T, it would turn into an equal battle. And I presume Andhra would win that battle by a mile. Bhadrachalam would go to Andhra. And Andhra govt. would make sure, it gets a lion's share of funds from the center. <br /><br />I am only worried about Telangana. Not sure how TRS would be effective in, for the first time, ruling its people rather than instigating/mobilizing them. Should wait and see.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-79418158905990134132013-11-18T23:37:07.644+05:302013-11-18T23:37:07.644+05:30Sujai, I would like to correct your statement on S...Sujai, I would like to correct your statement on SRC recommendations on AP formation. 1st SRC didn't totally oppose merger of Telangana and Andhra formation if you read it properly. In fact AP is not the only state created on that day, Karnataka and kerala are also formed on 1st Nov 1956 bgy merging different areas. HYD assembly passed the merger. Around 70 MLA's out of 96 MLA's from TG supported merger. Infact Vidarbha was the one which was forcefully merged. Central provinces in 1938 passed a resolution for creation of Vidarbha but nehru merged it MH where as no such resolution was passed by HYD for creation of TG state. T supporters are intepreting as per their convinience. Agreed TG supported telangana in 1971 when they gave verdict of 11 MP seats out of 14 for TPS. I doubt if Indira gandhi didn't divide AP in 1972 for the petition filed by Nizam. I never read this anywhere, Nizam filed petition in 1948 and was it hanging in UN for 24 years? anyway state creation is a internal re-org of our map and nothing to do with some petition in UN<br /><br />Coming to fears of Seemandhras, many of them are imaginary but I see T supporters raising emotions for unnecessary stuff ex: see the link<br />http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/bhel-defers-interviews-political-pressure-alleged/article5360475.ece<br /><br />Why should T supporters interfere in the recruitment of a Central Govt organisation? They can protest only if there is a irregularity in recuritment like recommendations, prejudice, nepotism, bribery.Central Govt and private sector are open to people across india. Many people from T are working in many parts of India (and rest of world) This is the exact fear of rest of AP. anyway Its stupid to oppose TG formation now, politicians should work to get a good deal for rest of AP and work for welfare of people in both states. there are many issues to work onAnilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-17970935599920456562013-11-06T12:20:45.110+05:302013-11-06T12:20:45.110+05:30Sujai, in Mahabharata Krishna did not go to Hastin...Sujai, in Mahabharata Krishna did not go to Hastinapuri as an emissary of peace. He did not tell Duryodhana " look you are a prince and so are they. Your contention is as valid as theirs So sit with them at the same table and sort it out. If not war is always an option". Instead he went and warned Kauravas on the imminent disaster of going into a war with Pandavas. Krishna wanted the war. There was discussion in his agendaSivaram Kadiyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-68327149398522602712013-10-24T17:58:08.603+05:302013-10-24T17:58:08.603+05:30@Phaniraj:
Polavaram is a pipedream. The so calle...@Phaniraj:<br /><br />Polavaram is a pipedream. The so called national project status even if given does not give any right to bypass any process. All it means the project will be funded by the center if and when all processes are completed.Jai Gottimukkalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295146527743208423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-12986515668544979022013-10-24T13:22:00.153+05:302013-10-24T13:22:00.153+05:30Phaniraj:
You need to console our neighbors if t...Phaniraj:<br /><br /><i> You need to console our neighbors if they feel they are being cheated and try to give them a chance to discuss their grievances. </i><br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Did the same neighbors do anything to console us when we were agitating for the last four years? Did they try to give us a chance to discuss our grievances for the last thirteen years? <br /><br />Instead of discussing our concerns and aspirations, they rubbished them, called them ‘lies’, and wrote books to describe as ‘lies’, and called them ‘lies’ propagated by KCR and his family. They refused to concede or even admit that our concerns were genuine. <br /><br />So, why should ‘consolation’ be one-way street?<br /><br /><i>But many people like TRS leaders, Kodandaram, Ponnam Prabhakar, and few other T-Congress leaders are adding salt to injury and these comments are provoking Seemandhra to agitate more.</i><br /><br />Like all Seemandhras, you want to see only what you want to see. Prof Kodandaram has said many a times that TJAC is ready to discuss the concerns and issues of Seemandhras. Their overtures were rebuffed. <br /><br />That’s because Seemandhras do not want their issues addressed – they just want to grab Hyderabad in the guise of their farcical movement called Samaikyandhra. <br />Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-48687200105180353912013-10-24T11:52:38.306+05:302013-10-24T11:52:38.306+05:30Sujai... That is what I was saying.. You need to c...Sujai... That is what I was saying.. You need to console our neighbors if they feel they are being cheated and try to give them a chance to discuss their grievances. But many people like TRS leaders, Kodandaram, Ponnam Prabhakar, and few other T-Congress leaders are adding salt to injury and these comments are provoking Seemandhra to agitate more. See how Jaipal Reddy talks see how Jana Reddy talks. They are so convincing. I suggest high command to let people like these to hold talks with Seemandhra and try to convince them. But in contrast, to gain political mileage people like Ponnam, Madhuyashki, KTR, KCR, Harish rao, Kodandaram are giving hate speeches. <br />If Akbar Owaisi was arrested for giving hate speech on religious lines, even KCR, KTR should be arrested for giving hate speeches on regional ground. Phanirajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637382532114392529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-922888203062564082013-10-23T20:23:28.490+05:302013-10-23T20:23:28.490+05:30you seriously think MIM is opposing UT option beca...<i>you seriously think MIM is opposing UT option because of your said reasons?<br />MIM is opposing because apart from Hyderabad, MIM has no foothold. If it is made UT, they will loose their identity forever. </i><br /><br />You are a very smart person!Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-41016619244988985182013-10-23T20:16:49.372+05:302013-10-23T20:16:49.372+05:30**That is the reason why MIM and other local MLAs ...**That is the reason why MIM and other local MLAs of Hyderabad are staunchly opposed to creating UT out of Hyderabad**<br /><br />haha.. Are you joking?? you seriously think MIM is opposing UT option because of your said reasons?<br />MIM is opposing because apart from Hyderabad, MIM has no foothold. If it is made UT, they will loose their identity forever. <br /><br />Personally, I love Hyderabad with RR district to be a separate state(Just like Delhi). But Telangana without Hyderabad is of no use and it will be injustice to Telangana. Saying that, I even see it as a boon to Telanagana in disguise as at least then, leaders think beyond Hyderabad. <br /><br />But in my opinion, give away Telanagana with Hyderabad or don't divide at all. Because the UT, Hyderabad another state options will compel Center to sponsor another Capital in Telangana which will be a burden. Phanirajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637382532114392529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-85862131924053727792013-10-23T20:03:24.033+05:302013-10-23T20:03:24.033+05:30**That's what entire Samaikyandhra Movement is...**That's what entire Samaikyandhra Movement is based on - imaginary fears**<br /><br />Yes I agree to this statement to large extent. One such fear is that both the Godavari districts will become barren if Telangana is given away. But the Godavari districs get Godavari water only after the Sabari, Kinnerasani, Taliperu rivers all merge into Godavari at Khammam. Any reservoir/dam constructed ahead of Khammam will not effect the Godavari districts. And above that, Polavaram was given national recognition.Phanirajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637382532114392529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-44155839861611428432013-10-23T01:52:44.384+05:302013-10-23T01:52:44.384+05:30http://newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/...http://newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Kiran-ready-to-break-bad-in-final-episode/2013/10/22/article1848793.ece<br /><br /><i>Sources said he’s thinking of tendering his resignation amid “high drama” after giving a lengthy speech, tearing into the Centre’s T-decision, the moment the Assembly session begins to debate the T-resolution sometime in November last week.</i>Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-20599894213377760792013-10-23T01:09:48.805+05:302013-10-23T01:09:48.805+05:30Fantasy.
That's what entire Samaikyandhra Mo...Fantasy. <br /><br />That's what entire Samaikyandhra Movement is based on - imaginary fears and fantastical dreams. Not based in reality.Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-76659578459127648272013-10-22T22:16:42.733+05:302013-10-22T22:16:42.733+05:30Personally, I do not endorse the idea to impose Pr...Personally, I do not endorse the idea to impose President's Rule in Andhra Pradesh to carve out Telangana. It will set a wrong precedent. <br /><br />The last sentence captures my stance:<br /><br />"We sincerely hope we don’t have to do it that way. Seemandhras can debate their perceived problems and issues in the State Assembly while discussing the draft bill. We need to remember that we can choose our friends but not our neighbors. We hope that we will be friendly neighbors who are going to solve all the issues that may arise in future with maturity and responsibility."Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-40304122773831327272013-10-22T14:40:08.022+05:302013-10-22T14:40:08.022+05:30I agree. UT is a TERRIBLE idea. It will create a l...I agree. UT is a TERRIBLE idea. It will create a lot more vested interests that are not already in Hyderabad as of now.<br /><br />Similarly, the government will not declare President's Rule. It is the Congress' own government. Opposition will take them to the cleaners for declaring President's rule in their own state. Amounts to admission that they screwed up.<br /><br />So Sujai has eschewed (temporarily?) the fascist strategy. Deliberately pumping hot air to partisan sentiments to create a sense of indignation amongst T people and instigate a rash reaction by SA people so that the differences crystallise and separation justifies itself. As much as I condemn it, cannot help but admit it is a brilliant, rascally strategy :-)Sivaram Kadiyamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-82784807365431676282013-10-22T09:42:37.398+05:302013-10-22T09:42:37.398+05:30Separate state status like pondicherry maybe. Look...Separate state status like pondicherry maybe. Looks like the CONgress is conning the telanganas by forcing a presidents rule and dividing the state into three parts. And also looks like the BJP is also warming upto such an idea. For The MIM that would be a dream come true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-50302988464605710002013-10-21T22:31:18.270+05:302013-10-21T22:31:18.270+05:30It is evil to punish HYD people by imposing UT on ...It is evil to punish HYD people by imposing UT on them by other region people.కిరణ్ కుమార్ కేhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054084645595458895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-29559878588958987572013-10-21T16:28:14.940+05:302013-10-21T16:28:14.940+05:30Making Hyderabad a Union Territory has a remote po...Making Hyderabad a Union Territory has a remote possibility. Right now it is not even on the cards for discussion. <br /><br />Any intelligent person would not actually support a move towards making Hyderabad a Union Territory. Those who support do not understand what it means to be a UT. <br /><br />There are enough precedents to suggest that those who live in UT do not want to remain in UT but to make it a state eventually. Even the people of Chandigarh bemoan their current plight. Though it is a planned city in India it does not compete with Bangalore, Pune or Hyderbad, and remains stagnant. <br /><br />All other UTs eventually became a state for the obvious reason that nobody wants to live under a Governor ruled by the President. <br /><br />That is the reason why MIM and other local MLAs of Hyderabad are staunchly opposed to creating UT out of Hyderabad. <br /><br />Super economic zones directly under President's Rule is a pipe dream - even New Delhi had to be eventually converted into a state. <br /><br />The trend in this country is to make a city or region democratic through elected representatives, not the other way around. Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-67067252805657144552013-10-21T16:20:37.351+05:302013-10-21T16:20:37.351+05:30No. Presidents rule needs to be imposed to make hy...No. Presidents rule needs to be imposed to make hyderabad a union territory. And that is where it is leading to. There will be telangana with its capital. So will there be a Seema Andhra with its capital and there will be Hyderabad as UT. I am stunned how you intelligent people are missing this.<br /><br />This whole drama is for that. Super economic zones is the long term plan of the centre. Separate Hyderabad and let it be the first example and then over the years show that example and then separate Mumbai, Bangalore, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com