tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post2703081136677499011..comments2024-03-27T13:09:26.512+05:30Comments on E=mc^2: Islam vs. Rest of the World IISujaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-91598866278126627322010-09-15T09:49:52.371+05:302010-09-15T09:49:52.371+05:30Well...as about the muslim conquerors being potent...Well...as about the muslim conquerors being potentially able to convert most of India to islam - it is a weak argument. Although a lot of India was under their rule, it was hardly direct and hardly uncontested. And a handful of conquerors being able to convert a third of india to islam is aggressive enough. Also - remember, Hinduism India has a history of atleast 2000 years, out of which roughly 250 years were predominantly under islam rule. This would be insignificant time for complete conversions.<br /><br />Christianity had its dark ages, but that is not an argument to say islam is right. The issues you have mentioned are irrelevant to the basic argument. Same holds for the other analogies you have presented. there is a problem with this community as of date, and we need to accept that and be aware. While intellectuals can go about arriving at the psycho-sociological factors why things are as they are, the rest of us will need protection from the onslaught - surviving bombs in buildings, trains and parks - which may happen tomorrow. We need it now. This can come only be realizing the threat on the ground.<br /><br />with due respect to your analytical abilities, wish you have some inkling of realities on the ground. I live close to a muslim community - and no chance in hell I will be caught on fridays or nights or on their festivals alone. there is no concept of law - anything acquired by force is fair game (muggings, encroachments and kidnappings). This is in a progressive city like bangalore. I have personally been mugged twice. Do take a look at statistics in local police stations as well.<br /><br />Well anyways, I dont see anyone from their community talking so much about how their ideology teaches peace etc., as much as outsiders do. When you defend one community to the extent of being passionate, the arguments can be hardly taken as neutral. Wish someday you will write about the plight of the majority community in their own lands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-68821037692084382942010-08-09T18:14:58.912+05:302010-08-09T18:14:58.912+05:30@ Sujai,
You must know that i have been following...@ Sujai,<br /><br />You must know that i have been following your blog for a month now and have found your opinions very radical and thought provoking. I really appreciate your effort So dont take this as a rant by some facist Hindu going by my name. Im agnostic by the way and just seek a healthy debate here.<br /><br />Coming to this article i had the following assumptions of you<br />1.Sujai is an Athiest who has no problem with Christians practicing Chritianity , Hindus practicing Hinduism , Muslim practising Islam and so on.<br />2.Sujai being an Athiest believes that every religion in the world is flawed(In MOral terms at this point of time) as are the believers of the faith.<br /><br />But reading this post i somehow get the feeling that you believe Islam and the Muslim world to be righteous in the present day predicament(Islam and The Rest of the World). Do clear me on this if you dont mind. Is that what you think?<br /><br />Anyway i found the following debatable.<br /><br /><i>Does that mean this religion is destined to be violent forever?</i><br /><br />I believe God dint make man,Man made God and has since been using religion(s) to justify this creation. Followers in time modify these religion(s) to keep the faith alive for their own mostly selfish desires. So No Islam is not destined to be violent forever. It will be reformed to co-exist with the modern world (hopefully sooner).<br /><br /><i>I discard the explanation that a religion and its people are in anyway similar to its founder.</i><br />So are u saying that a founder of a religion has no influence on his/her religion and the followers? I Think there always is an influence.<br /><br /><i>Only when this Rest of the World wakes up to admit it and take measures to correct itself shall we see Islamic world take a step back and be at peace with itself and the Rest of the World.</i><br />Its like saying if only all hindus in India abide by the rules of the Hindutva will the later take a step back and be at peace with the rest of India. Although this is potentially a solution its not a plausible one. I am stressing at the solution provided by you because you have used the word 'ONLY' here. <br /><br />I believe one possible solution would be that set by the west. When the catholic Church and Christinaity was the reason for much of the havoc in the middle ages it was the free thinkers of the same faith or AThiest's with names of the same faith that helped with the transition to the renaisance. Im talking about the likes of the Galilios, David Humes and the Newtons. The islamic world needs more Sulman Rushdies to co exist with the Rest of the world.<br /><br />Would love to hear your thoughts.<br /><br />Anand<br />(anandxrfeu@gmail.com)Anandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-84237657077287819402007-07-09T13:40:00.000+05:302007-07-09T13:40:00.000+05:30Amit:So, your reasoning there is flawed.OK. Thank...Amit:<BR/><I>So, your reasoning there is flawed.</I><BR/><BR/>OK. Thanks.<BR/>Read some of my comments on this topic. I don't want to repeat myself. <BR/><BR/>And read my article once again. <BR/><BR/>When did terrorism start? And what was happening to Islam during Ottoman Empire? Why was it not as violent as Christianity during the same time?Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-80667519963139525512007-07-09T13:25:00.000+05:302007-07-09T13:25:00.000+05:30then every Buddhist state should be extremely paci...<I>then every Buddhist state should be extremely pacifist (like Tibet)</I><BR/>Well, the Buddhists living there are pacifists. It's the godless Chinese government ;) that has persecuted them and flooded the country with people from mainland China. So, your reasoning there is flawed.<BR/><BR/>Also, if certain people act violent and dedicate their actions to their religion, it is logical to look into the history of the religion, the sacred books, the founder - along with US foreign policies and thirst for oil - to figure out what is inspiring them.<BR/><BR/>Also, I hope you can try and distill your posts a bit and make your points in a concise manner. Too long. :)<BR/><BR/>-AmitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-23376790241165742792007-07-01T23:26:00.000+05:302007-07-01T23:26:00.000+05:30Anonymous:Mao and Pol Pot were buddhists? Come one...Anonymous:<BR/><I>Mao and Pol Pot were buddhists? Come one, give me a break.</I><BR/><BR/>Lest other fools out there start thinking like you. Let me clarify what this means.<BR/><BR/>Akbar is a Muslim to most of us (though he started Din-i-llahi, which may have been denounced by Muslims themselves). Kemal Ataturk is a Muslim to most of us (though he adopted a secular version for his country).<BR/><BR/>Mao Zedong was born into a Buddhist family. His mother, Wen Chi-mei, was a devout Buddhist.<BR/><BR/>Pol Pot's party embraced a version of Buddhism called Theravada Buddhism.<BR/><BR/>They have both later renounced their version of Buddhism and targeted their some of their own people (including Buddhists).Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-56768953277723575052007-07-01T20:56:00.000+05:302007-07-01T20:56:00.000+05:30Sujal said:Buddha is supposedly a very gentle pers...Sujal said:<BR/><BR/><I>Buddha is supposedly a very gentle person and is known for his pacifism, but just look at what Japanese have done in WWII, look at what Khmer Rouge did to its people, look at what Mao did to intellectuals.</I><BR/><BR/>Sometimes I wonder how people who are so ignorant of facts do not hesitate to argue their wishful thinking. Mao and Pol Pot were buddhists? Come one, give me a break.<BR/><BR/>But then as you have very aptly quoted Russell that fools are always sure of themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-932827877136565882006-11-02T11:21:00.000+05:302006-11-02T11:21:00.000+05:30deepbluenpurple:
Its 'Inquisition' not 'Insurrecti...deepbluenpurple:<br />Its 'Inquisition' not 'Insurrection'. Thanks for pointing it out. I will make the corrections.Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-23945020162160085782006-11-01T14:51:00.000+05:302006-11-01T14:51:00.000+05:30Insurrection or Inquisition ?Insurrection or Inquisition ?5vd33p74https://www.blogger.com/profile/13209074557555210575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-24052998371122441912006-10-04T13:25:00.000+05:302006-10-04T13:25:00.000+05:30@Sharique:
I am not in IISc.
@Indian - Lets make ...@Sharique:<br />I am not in IISc.<br /><br />@Indian - Lets make Progress:<br />I shall try to make my blogs concise for easy reading :)Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-76164324534574574972006-10-03T20:56:00.000+05:302006-10-03T20:56:00.000+05:30Sharique > Very good comment.
The blogger needs t...Sharique > Very good comment.<br /><br />The blogger needs to make postings a little concise.. long postings are difficult to read.. and lose their impact.. Just a thought.<br /><br />ThanksApun Ka Deshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14449355362928609037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-54171705358912964492006-10-01T11:06:00.000+05:302006-10-01T11:06:00.000+05:30Sujai
At this rate, you will soon be the most unp...Sujai<br /><br />At this rate, you will soon be the most unpopular non-muslim in India.*gigle*<br /><br />I am at awe at your integrity. <br /><br />Peace and RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-88544024968054209742006-10-01T10:29:00.000+05:302006-10-01T10:29:00.000+05:30Religion is completely different from politics. Wh...Religion is completely different from politics. What the founder of the religion like Buddha, Jesus, Krishna or Mohammad wrote in religious books is different from what selfish people 'born into'those religions do to gain more land and power ! Even Ramayana and Mahabharata is the story of 'good over evil' but in reality is just another war over a woman and kingdom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-23617653301215736422006-09-30T11:43:00.000+05:302006-09-30T11:43:00.000+05:30Sujai,
Regarding the violent verses in Quran, well...Sujai,<br />Regarding the violent verses in Quran, well those verses were revealed at particular instances and were applicable there only. If those verses are applied today then it will be the same as applying Newton's laws of motion in an accelerating frame (You need to bring in the pseudo component right?) <br />Similarly many other verses have been misinterpreted. I have a small collection http://www.shaarique.com/oh-no-not-again/#comment-371<br /><br />just scroll down for answers. I sometimes wonder that in spite of scholar's continuous refuting of these inane claims, people are still so prejudiced against Islam. I think it has to do with the current stage of transition Islam is under. I think I should write something on it. Excellent and rational analysis again. <br /><br />BTW are you in IISc?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com