tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post4426928378425792744..comments2024-03-18T17:10:39.347+05:30Comments on E=mc^2: Telangana XXXIII: Notes on ‘My Telugu Roots’Sujaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comBlogger176125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-40646531373309063592013-01-25T18:34:30.152+05:302013-01-25T18:34:30.152+05:30Dear Mr Sujai,
If somebody wants ‘Separate Telanga...Dear Mr Sujai,<br />If somebody wants ‘Separate Telangana’ first, and if then he start finding reasons later and he will find everything done to the region is ‘WRONG’.<br />The irrigation system of ‘Krishna-Godavari Delta’ was developed in year 1852 by ‘Sir Arthur Cotton’ with 2 Barrages, the ‘Doweleswaram Barrage’ and ‘Krishna Barrage (Presently called as Prakasam Barrage)’ without a single lift irrigation system and a single meter lined canal. A ‘Barrage’ is a simple and much cheaper structure in comparison with a Dam.<br />This was possible only because of the ‘Topographical features’ of the ‘Krishna-Godavari Delta’ where you will find a Plane surface and where you cannot find out a level difference of ground with naked eye.<br />Now install ‘Goggle Earth’ on your computer system, and find out the Ground levels at different locations of ‘Telangana’, and the bed levels of Godavari and Krishna Rivers and tell me where it is possible as on today for ‘Canal irrigation system’, where water can flow by Gravity.<br />When you see ‘Statistical Gimmicks’ in Nalamotu Chakravarthy’s narrations, why can’t the ‘Statistical Gimmicks’ of pro-Telangana narrators are visible to you. Prof. jayashankar excludes Hyderabad from Telangana when he talks about the ‘Educational and Health facilities’ of Telangana to show them less, and includes Hyderabad in Telangana when he talks about the revenue to the state government to show the revenue high.<br />Prof. jayashankar doesn’t counts the Regional level Osmania University located in Hyderabad as Telangana university, but adds the ‘Sales and Commercial Taxes’ of Hyderabad as Telangana revenue.<br />If I continue discussing the falsehood narrations of pro-Telangana writers it will be of many pages. Please try to think on your own.<br /><br />Thanking You,<br />-Shanthu<br />KODALI SANTHUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03560784553293649599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-14267341345497557892010-08-09T00:41:07.801+05:302010-08-09T00:41:07.801+05:30currupt politicians and bunch of other losers from...currupt politicians and bunch of other losers from both the regions are out to kill this GOLDEN GOOSE called HYDERABAD(post 1980).Rational people from both the regions regions realize this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-3200682646247563602010-03-30T07:20:21.435+05:302010-03-30T07:20:21.435+05:30Sujai,
Nice work! Have a look at mine...
http://th...Sujai,<br />Nice work! Have a look at mine...<br />http://theopenterrace.blogspot.com/p/telangana.htmlThe Open Terracehttp://theopenterrace.blogspot.com/p/telangana.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-73141335676491398292010-03-28T13:51:57.419+05:302010-03-28T13:51:57.419+05:30I thought you were smart but you just blew my mind...I thought you were smart but you just blew my minds off with your haughty remarks that Bachawat Commission on Krishna Water doesn't specify Rayalaseema and to top it you say you've read the report cover to cover.<br />Read it again if you really did and the allocation to KC Canal System,Tungabadra Lower and Upper Canal,Gajuladinne etc and add up the total presto there's your Rayalaseema allocation that skipped your intellect magically, somehow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-68275969121124111752010-01-26T04:47:38.510+05:302010-01-26T04:47:38.510+05:30River Water Politics in Drought prone areas of Tel...River Water Politics in Drought prone areas of Telangana<br />- Full PDF article from Economic & POlitical Weekly 1997 that shravan mentioned in the 2nd comment<br /><br />http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/pmcd3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-59392711977167227202010-01-26T03:39:25.893+05:302010-01-26T03:39:25.893+05:30FACT SEEKER:
"Gross irrigated area as % of g...FACT SEEKER:<br /><br />"Gross irrigated area as % of gross cropped area "<br /><br />IS NOT same as % irrigated out of TOTAL AREA. <br /><br />Do you math once again - this time add up total irrigated area and then divide it by Total area.Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-66888647064000833462010-01-25T07:12:33.544+05:302010-01-25T07:12:33.544+05:30"As of 2003, only 10.1% of Telangana land is ..."As of 2003, only 10.1% of Telangana land is irrigated, while a total of 23.3% of Coastal Andhra is irrigated. [Calculated from Water Resources Information System, Government of AP.]"<br /><br />WRONG!<br /><br />All the bloggers here have to know the truth .<br /><br /> T A R<br /> Forest area%–28.07———19.86—–22.8<br /><br />Irrigarea%—– 40.62———–54.65—–30.38<br /><br />percapitabank<br />credit——— 361.85–17079—610.96—-285.38<br /><br />Literacy——- 57.03—-79.09—62.5——60. 65<br /><br />Just go to the following AP govt official website.<br /><br />http://www.aponline.gov.in/Quick%20Links/APFactFile/info%20on%20districts/Districts.htm<br />Add up all dist data and take avg.<br /><br />By<br />FACT SEEKERAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-5561606101182753092010-01-18T23:42:54.951+05:302010-01-18T23:42:54.951+05:30The basic thing you missed is the geographical alt...The basic thing you missed is the geographical altitude of Telangana, which is in general a plateau - part of the Deccan plateau. The Godavari runs deep down some hundreds of feet down and the gravity line is not conducive for canals. That is why tank irrigation was considered and is the best possible way too. Every area has its own geo-climatic peculiarities and the development patterns are sketched or ought to be sketched according to those peculiarities and potentialities and possibilities. I mean resources too. Telangana rich in minerals is more conducive to development of industries and rightly now it stands in forefront on the industrial front in the entire Andhra Pradesh. But you cannot expect it to be so advanced in agriculture too in contrast to delta areas which are as a sort of specially cut out [natural] pieces for agriculture. Borewells indiscrimiately dug have ruined the water table of Telangana and aping other regions, and when failing in such efforts blaming them for the impasse, has caused incalculable damage and will work a havoc in future too. I assert Telangana has progressed very much under the united State compared to the abominable oppression and poverty during Nizam's rule. There may be some injustices during 1956-2006 also but such can be found with regard to the people of Rayalaseema and backward areas in Andhra too. So no point in crying for separation. The best interests of Telangana demand continuation of the present unity with better arrangements for regional autonomy and also Telanganites can and should lead the entire Telugu people towards a better future.I.M.Sharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966462873533656616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-13491397542849519222010-01-18T21:20:49.411+05:302010-01-18T21:20:49.411+05:30Why Telangana Praja Samiti (TPS) could not get T-s...Why Telangana Praja Samiti (TPS) could not get T-state despite getting people's mandate with 10 out of 14 MP seats.<br />At that rate they could have won 80+ MLA seats in Telangana in following assembly elections.<br /><br />It is a fact that TPS merged with Congress and <b>SOURCES</b> say they 'hoped' Indira Gandhi will meet their demands.<br /><br />What happened afterwards?<br />Why there is no 'udyamam' for 30 long years?<br />What happened to Telangana Regional Council?<br />Who has administered, monitored or negotiated with state govt w.r.t implementation of agreements?<br />...<br />...<br /><br />No! please don't answer anybody. Try to answer yourself.<br /><br />Chances of T-state are higher today compared to previous 'udyamam'.<br />I don't see any opportunity for others to stop it.<br />Chidambarm and Madam's coterie are eager to split this state on some basis or the other. This is best chance for them.<br /><br />If at all, at all T-state does not happen please stop abusing other regions.<br />This time at least, please go and ask your own elected representatives.<br />I am sure they will plead helplessness and lobbying by other regions.<br /><br />The tone of these people including KCR is different after 5th January.<br />Nearly two months and madam has not uttered a single word confirming T-state.<br />Yet every single congressman claims 'High command telanganaku kattubadi undi'.<br />TDP playing Sakuni role. They want to avenge the attack on Nagam.<br />They are abetting constitutional crisis so that President Rule will stop all agitation.<br />After his 'diksha viramana' KCR said he knew that T-state formation started in Delhi.<br />He also said it is 'Arrow that left bow'.<br />Now he says 'we will continue struggle until T-state achieved' and maintaining strategic silence.<br />What is the need for struggle, if Delhi has started the process a month ago? Why one more deadline?<br /><br /><br />Most important question now is<br />In case Telangana is not formed, can Telanganites bear the MORAL DEFEAT?<br />Today all those who want Telangana have developed hatred against other regions and abusing them to the worst possible.<br />Needless to say, it is VICTORIOUS ARROGANCE.<br />What happens to these people? What if settlers laugh at these people?<br />Someone may say the same about settlers. I think they have at least some excuses.<br /><br />The central government should show some sense and settle the issue ASAP.<br />With every passing day, the gap between people is widening and state's image getting damaged.prabhakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-23048171175425697752010-01-15T18:38:20.602+05:302010-01-15T18:38:20.602+05:30@ 166, KTN:
Based on your example, A would have h...@ 166, KTN:<br /><br /><i>Based on your example, A would have had 200% increase and B 50% increase.</i><br /><br />You are right. It was a mistake. I admitted it in the comment @31 but forgot to correct it in the post. Now, I have corrected it. <br /><br /><i>By your logic, US is growing faster at 1% currently (because they are 15 trillion $ in GDP, their net increase would be higher) whereas India is growing slower then them at 7% (because they are at 1 trillion $ in GDP, their net increase would be lesser compared to US). </i><br /><br />In the same comment @31, I write the following:<br /><br />"Usually percentage increase help on an incremental basis seen on regular intervals, when all parties concerned are considered to be more or less equal or competing partners (like GDP one year-on-year basis or profit growth for companies on quarterly basis)."Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-67507904168083957152010-01-14T15:27:44.171+05:302010-01-14T15:27:44.171+05:30"Suppose in region A you start with 1 acre an..."Suppose in region A you start with 1 acre and add 2 acres to it, it is seen as 66% increase. But in region B you start with 100 acres and add 50 acres, it looks like only 33% increase."<br /><br />@Sujai<br /><br />Whoever taught you math, if they saw your calculations would hang themself. In which school, do they calculate percentages like this? <br /><br />Based on your example, A would have had 200% increase and B 50% increase.<br /><br />Yes , going from 1 to 3 is a better achievement than going from 100 to 150. Growth depends on what one had and where it started. <br /><br />"Percentage increase is an extremely flawed statistic" - Really, you think so. By your logic, US is growing faster at 1% currently (because they are 15 trillion $ in GDP, their net increase would be higher) whereas India is growing slower then them at 7% (because they are at 1 trillion $ in GDP, their net increase would be lesser compared to US). Think about it.<br /><br />Please learn some basic math before you throw out statistics.KTNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-70081907074236910142010-01-13T21:05:01.456+05:302010-01-13T21:05:01.456+05:30Srvan,
your quote:
"If telangana separates as...Srvan,<br />your quote:<br />"If telangana separates as per the catchment area criteria Telangana gets more TMC of water. "<br /><br />I think you need to read the tribunal report before giving the criteria..<br /><br />If we apply your criteria then Karntaka & Maharastra will be getting more water than AP. <br /><br />This is how Maharashtra applied your criteria:(Volume II page:152)<br /><br />Maharashtra ...... 908 T .M.C<br />Mysore . . . . . . . 865 T.M.C<br />Andhra Pradesh ....... 427 T.M. C<br /><br />Karnataka's view:(page:174)<br />Maharashtra . .. . 540 T.M.C.<br />Mysore . . .. 976 T.M.C.<br />Andhra Pradesh . . . 544 T.M.C<br /><br />But the actual allocation is:(page184)<br /><br />State of Maharashtra : 5 6 5 T.M.C.<br />State of Mysore . . 695 T.M.C.<br />State of Andhra Pradesh: 800 T.M.C.<br /><br />So now you need to ask why the have come up with this criteria and for that please read through the report...<br /><br />And also dont think the Tribunal didnt consider abt Telangana.. <br />Following is the quoter from (page:177-178)<br /><br />"The State of Andhra Pradesh, no doubt, has been<br />allocated enough water for historical reasons, but<br />still Telangana part of the State of Andhra Pradesh<br />stands in need of irrigation. The area which we are<br />considering for irrigation formed part of Hyderabad<br />State and had there been no division of that State<br />there were better chances for the residents of this area to<br />get irrigation facilities in Mahboobnagar District. We<br />are of the opinion that this area should not be deprived<br />of the benefit of irrigation on account of the<br />reorganisation of States. If properly managed, Jurala<br />Project Stage-I can operate by utilising about 18<br />T.M.C. We, therefore, think it proper that 17.84<br />T.M.C. of water at 75 per cent dependability should<br />be allocated for Stage-I of the Project.<br /> "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-4888810958838380382010-01-13T17:35:26.504+05:302010-01-13T17:35:26.504+05:30Irrigated acres thru projects:(in lacs)
e...Irrigated acres thru projects:(in lacs)<br /><br /> existing ongoing planned <br /><br />Teln 26 19 24<br />Andh 44 10 8<br />Rayal 23 10 16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-39310882055629086642010-01-13T17:26:04.367+05:302010-01-13T17:26:04.367+05:30"WGodavry"
You mean what?"WGodavry"<br /><br />You mean what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-41227507511117049212010-01-13T17:22:07.963+05:302010-01-13T17:22:07.963+05:30"don't know how to measure this"
Se..."don't know how to measure this"<br /><br />Seems you are lacking something here. In Telangana, we are taught that numbers are counted not measured. With all due respect to teachers and schools in Andhras/Seemas, have they taught you to measure the quantities that instead require counting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-56510911223532956992010-01-13T17:21:55.747+05:302010-01-13T17:21:55.747+05:30Irrigated acres from Nagarjuna sagar
Nalgonda 3.81...Irrigated acres from Nagarjuna sagar<br />Nalgonda 3.81 <br />Khammam 2.76 <br />Krishna 3.70 <br />WGodavry 0.02 <br />Guntur 6.68 <br />Prakasam 4.44 <br /><br />Total 21.41Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-58884879417491939992010-01-13T17:05:15.082+05:302010-01-13T17:05:15.082+05:30It is better to separate out now , if the majority...It is better to separate out now , if the majority of Telangana people want to (don't know how to measure this) rather than create more development in telangana and then having to separate later. <br />Sujai, your numbers on irrigation are wrong in places. Will post the correct figures one of these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-11523051507842625162010-01-13T15:22:25.048+05:302010-01-13T15:22:25.048+05:30Oops sorry, I correct myself. I am wrong about thi...Oops sorry, I correct myself. I am wrong about this Krishna water comment, Sujai coul dyou remove this post of mine dated<br />%January 13, 2010 2:25 AM%.<br /><br />Sravan thanks for correcting me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-86609554080804870982010-01-13T12:53:18.118+05:302010-01-13T12:53:18.118+05:30To Anonymous,
It is clear from what you have cite...To Anonymous,<br /> It is clear from what you have cited is that AP state ill-represented Telangana over Andhra region in providing project plan that are propsed or underway.<br />If telangana separates as per the catchment area criteria Telangana gets more TMC of water. Bachawat tribunal only considered the catchment area of AP in allocating water to the state. If it considers Andhar and telangana as separate then equations will grossly change.<br />So it is evident that Andhra regions gained lot as part of AP at the loss of telangana.<br />Since Bachawat tribunal is already expired and a new tribunal has been constituted telangana as a separate state would definitely benefit. <br />Andhra water share although more than the actual share(as per the criteria) would remain status quo given the fact that the projects for their benifit have already completed.<br />So it is in the best interest of Telangana and Rayalseema that AP should be split into three states.sravanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08870220615305693426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-54830437017810162232010-01-13T02:25:39.462+05:302010-01-13T02:25:39.462+05:30"I am not even sure if Bachawat recommended K..."I am not even sure if Bachawat recommended Krishna water for Rayalaseema. "<br /><br /><br />Go to THE REPORT OF THE KRISHNA WATER DISPUTES TRIBUNAL WITH THE DECISION VOLUME II<br /><br />page: 188 list the AP demands and the allocations given, there you will find projectwise allocation, you can find whats given for Rayalasema..<br /><br />I if you dont have the report you can download it from here: http://www.archive.org/details/KrishnaWaterDisputeTribunalAwardVolumeIi<br /><br />Dont give statements as though you read it before you do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-27252638548256226932010-01-11T19:25:30.906+05:302010-01-11T19:25:30.906+05:30Krishna,
Many of the promises have been blatantly...Krishna,<br /><br />Many of the promises have been blatantly violated. 'Lapse' is definitely not the word for it. If you look at the Gentlemen' agreement, every guideline there was violated. The politicians were given a violent wakeup call many times.<br /><br />I would not believe that any of the politicians have realized their mistakes. They are just trying to get through this by twisting and turning their tongues in all the directions. They put chameleons to shame and reached sub zero credibility levels.<br /><br />I would be happy if you give an honest answer to this question. Do the Telanganites still need to believe these politicians will respect the guidelines and be in the united state?<br /><br />Yerram Naidu was in the committee which did an extensive research on Telangana and made a decision to support the Telagnana state. How come his thought process was entirely changed in a day? I can counter all the points made by him in the speech. He is using sentimentality to back his argument. How is he convincing any Telanganite?Bixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-18923235180086457372010-01-11T01:23:56.192+05:302010-01-11T01:23:56.192+05:30Sujai
Nobody is saying that because Andhras are no...Sujai<br /><i>Nobody is saying that because Andhras are not actually interested in doing any of those. First, they don’t believe that Telangana was actually neglected or discriminated against.</i><br /><br />Yes I agree that there have been some lapses in implementing certain GOs and taking note of the problems Telangana is facing. It is sad that politicians need be woken up violently often enough to tell them about failed promises regarding Telangana. But what I see is that at least some of these politicians have woken up and are thinking to achieve fair evenness in development across regions. Indian polity is still young and we are still learning as we go on how to run governments and allocate resources. <br /><br />Dasa Disa discussions telecast on HMTV are defiitely right step in that direction. <br /><br />Some comments by Yerram Naidu:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIpDH6JfL-IKrishna Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02777285023576915087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-36657208748488113312010-01-10T22:51:49.046+05:302010-01-10T22:51:49.046+05:30@malgudidays
I'm glad you have the time to tr...@malgudidays <br />I'm glad you have the time to try and "educate" me. Thank you for pointing me to some literature.<br />Right now I'm working 16 hour days trying to get a start up company up and running as a founder. When I do have some time I'll be sure to check up on these things.<br />Just to let you know I have Former president Radhakrishnan's books on hindu philosophy gathering dust in my library for the past several years. I'll be sure to add yoga vasistha to my reading list.<br /><br />-RajAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-7845269363060914762010-01-10T18:30:31.107+05:302010-01-10T18:30:31.107+05:30Anonymous:
but dont portray conspiracy out of it ...Anonymous:<br /><br /><i>but dont portray conspiracy out of it to create hatred to gain strong support!</i><br /><br />If after repeated protests, demonstrations and agitations, the state of Andhra Pradesh does not implement those projects, what should we conclude?Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-27242893574953466402010-01-10T18:11:07.923+05:302010-01-10T18:11:07.923+05:30Telugu_Guy:
Here is a hypothetical scenario for a...Telugu_Guy:<br /><br /><i>Here is a hypothetical scenario for all you Telangana fundamentalists who want to throw Andhras out of Hyd -</i><br /><br />Here is a true scenario for you. Telanganas don’t want to throw out Andhras out of Hyderabad. However, if you continue your agitations to stop creation of Telangana, then the animosity will definitely increase. Do you really want that to happen? I don’t want that to happen. <br /><br /><i> Kannadigas strongly felt they deserved promotions because the company is in "their land" and outsiders are dominating and discriminating them.</i><br /><br />Private companies and government don’t work the same way. Employment in government, education in a government school, are considered basic amenities that a country or state should provide to its people as a duty. <br /><br />Having said that, I am completely OK to put a regulation that says that at least certain number of employees even in a private company should be coming from the state where the company resides. That will proactively reduce the cause of tensions that we currently see in cities like Bangalore. <br /><br /><i> They threaten and blackmail the CEO to give them preferential treatment. The CEO says "but we are all Indians".</i><br /><br />While you are talking of ‘merit’ why stop at Indians? Why should the CEO hire only non-Indians? Even countries like USA do not allow that unless you make a case that you have already tried your best to find an American to fill that position but could not and hence you went around finding non-American. And this is coming from one of the most capitalist societies in the world. <br /><br /><i>Most of you in this blog probably live outside AP or India (at least have family members) How would you feel if you are asked labelled as an outsider after settling down in one place for many years.</i><br /><br />I would feel bad but then I would understand why that has come about. Right now, most Gujaratis and North-Indians are not the butt of such an allegation. There is a reason for that. Once the separation happens, everyone will forget where each of us comes from.Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.com