tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post7085660025774224184..comments2024-03-27T13:09:26.512+05:30Comments on E=mc^2: On our Independence MovementSujaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-59995502611861055162014-11-18T02:24:20.084+05:302014-11-18T02:24:20.084+05:30Old Ranting ..for more insight i suggest author mu...Old Ranting ..for more insight i suggest author must read Operation Red Lotus. Else author will keep rating no no 1857 is not an war of independence. Or author will stuck into popular parlance of Pigs and Cows or Mangal Ji. 1857 war of independence is more than that ...and your not even close to understand it. <br /><br />124 regiment scarified during a well planned and managed war. <br /><br /> hitesh rangrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073080948097911097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-88740036129007884642008-11-17T19:24:00.000+05:302008-11-17T19:24:00.000+05:30Could it be because if his popularity with the mas...Could it be because if his popularity with the masses?Sampadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285379476235283955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-67547546680531184102008-11-17T19:22:00.000+05:302008-11-17T19:22:00.000+05:30Nice article, and I completely agree with you. (I ...Nice article, and I completely agree with you. (I would have disagreed if I had not read <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_at_midnight" REL="nofollow">Freedom at Midnight</A>). Like majority of us Indians do, I thought that we should have been independent as early as possible, that is 1857. But now I think we could have waited more (if only Jinnah had told Mountbatten about his health..maybe partition could have been avoided..who knows?)<BR/><BR/>Just a random thought, Gandhi was never given any severe punishment by the British (capital/kalapani). (In fact many of his punishments were self-imposed). Any views on this?Sampadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285379476235283955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-25239509907761977572008-03-16T14:26:00.000+05:302008-03-16T14:26:00.000+05:30Nicely written article. Got to know a lot of thing...Nicely written article. Got to know a lot of things. I am getting to know how much the Indian youth (esp myself) is oblivious of its own history. Nyways expecting more articles like this from u....<BR/><BR/>Destination Infinity.<BR/><BR/>PS: Believe a person who is seeking the truth. Not the person who claims to have already attained it. Nice quote, wanted to share.Destination Infinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03219687030496120872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-58176638936403706972008-03-14T20:46:00.000+05:302008-03-14T20:46:00.000+05:30Vinod,Derailment of topic happened after Sujai sta...Vinod,<BR/>Derailment of topic happened after Sujai started teasing Chirkut. Tajmahal is Hindu temple is nothing to do with this topic.Abhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14827630407874287191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-33091648154421873592008-03-14T20:33:00.000+05:302008-03-14T20:33:00.000+05:30"The Nawab seems to believe that Aurangazeb contri..."The Nawab seems to believe that Aurangazeb contributed lands and grants to Hindu temples which I doubt is the truth."<BR/><BR/>He did. But he also did the contrary to many other temples. Aurangzeb will remain controversial forever. There is no changing that. I cannot fathom why he would on the one hand grant land for temple building and on the other hand break down others. That requires a more objective, dispassionate and neutral approach to the study of Aurangzeb. <BR/>He also remains eccentric and enigmatic in his personal life. While he particpated in conspiracies, plots and assasinations to get power and to remain in power, he also did not partake of the benefit of the wealth gained; he continued to be scrupulously ascetic in his personal life. Again, I do not have an explanation for that contradiction; his life story is full of that. <BR/><BR/>ps- apologies Sujai that we have allowed Chirkut to derail the comments on this post of yours. <BR/><BR/>~ VinodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-73059241149477191112008-03-14T18:28:00.000+05:302008-03-14T18:28:00.000+05:30This is the Nawab’s reply to an article published ...This is the Nawab’s reply to an article published in the Indian Express:<BR/>“It is true that I visited the purported art exhibition on the great Mughal emperor Aurangazeb with high hopes and expectations of learning something about the monarch and his times. I found the exhibition a complete diatribe against Aurangazeb organized by a well-known Muslim hating columnist , totally biased and one sided in his presentation and calculated to stir up feelings of ill will and animosity towards the minority community for the alleged acts and omissions of rulers a century ago. <BR/>The exhibition seemed to dwell only on Aurangazeb’s alleged misdeeds and said not a word of his munificent contributions of lands and grants to Hindu temple. It seemed quite obvious that the effect of such an exhibition would be to promote enmity between various groups and thereby vitiate the peaceful atmosphere of coexistence of different religions.<BR/>There can be no doubt that right thinking people interested in the promotion of communal harmony ,secularism and national integration would welcome the decision of the police authorities to close down the exhibition.<BR/>How long is this game of using the remote and dead past to stir up hatred,enmity and ill-will among today’s living be played?”<BR/><BR/>I concede that I was partly wrong on deducing the intentions of the Nawab as reported by Tamil newspapers. The Nawab seems to believe that Aurangazeb contributed lands and grants to Hindu temples which I doubt is the truth.ragshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206768079226759526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-42348186269578009192008-03-14T17:22:00.000+05:302008-03-14T17:22:00.000+05:30That was never my logic. I am all for freedom of e...That was never my logic. I am all for freedom of expression. That is why I said "That is no reason to cancel the exhibition". I was just mnetioning the Nawab's comments as published in certain regional newspapers in Tamilnadu. I was just saying that the possiblity exists that the Nawab might have wanted the exhibition cancelled not because he thought Aurangazeb was a good king but because he wanted cordial relationship between people of both the religions. I never defended the Nawab's right in doing so.ragshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206768079226759526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-4847144295681376812008-03-14T09:22:00.000+05:302008-03-14T09:22:00.000+05:30Rags,So as per your logic Germany should not teach...Rags,<BR/>So as per your logic <BR/><BR/>Germany should not teach Holocaust because it will strain relationship between Jews and native germans. This totally contradics sujai's thinking.<BR/><BR/>Are you assuming why Arcot Nawab wanted exhibition to be closed?. I understood different motives based on television footage shown in Tamil news channels. Those who wanted exhibition to be closed were arguing that Aurangazeb was a good king and proofs in exhibition were wrong.Abhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14827630407874287191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-53312495459022051792008-03-13T17:51:00.000+05:302008-03-13T17:51:00.000+05:30About the link given to the art exhibition depicti...About the link given to the art exhibition depicting Aurangazeb as a tyrant. The Arcot of Nawab wanted to call off the exhibition not because he was a rabid supporter of Aurangazeb as mentioned by the blogger but because he thought this exhibition of Aurangazeb tyrannizing Hindus would strain Hindu Muslim relationship further and lead to communal clashes. If he was a supporter of Aurangazeb he would have been proud of the exhibits! Of course that is no excuse to call off any exhibition. Besides in any country it is the minorities who are more vunerable and it makes sense to highlight their problems.ragshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206768079226759526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-37827479340255257562008-03-13T11:48:00.000+05:302008-03-13T11:48:00.000+05:30A well groomed capsule! In spite of six decades of...A well groomed capsule! In spite of six decades of democracy we are yet to learn the art of how to elect representatives but patrons. <BR/><BR/>Since majority of Indians are illiterate, it is easy to manipulate their votes by offering food kits, liquor, subsidies, and even free Television! If British were allowed to rule India for two more decades,literacy rates should have reached much better level than Brahmin rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-37871680616876328952008-03-13T00:48:00.000+05:302008-03-13T00:48:00.000+05:30Sujai, since you're such a champion of freedom of ...Sujai, since you're such a champion of freedom of expression/speech, maybe <A HREF="http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/03/11/from-baroda-to-chennai/" REL="nofollow">this issue</A> (and <A HREF="http://hyderabadis.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=1" REL="nofollow">this too</A>) will be of interest to you.<BR/>-ChirkutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-45475237972376961322008-03-13T00:37:00.000+05:302008-03-13T00:37:00.000+05:30Sujai, is that all your smart thinking is capable ...Sujai, is that all your smart thinking is capable of - putting people in boxes and looking at issues in either-or paradigm ("either you're with us or against us"), or only through the lens of an ideology? :)<BR/>Aise cheap shots aapko shobha nahin dete.<BR/>-ChirkutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-59484143806759675712008-03-12T20:54:00.000+05:302008-03-12T20:54:00.000+05:30Chirkut and his ilk may like these: Taj Mahal is V...Chirkut and his ilk may like these:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm" REL="nofollow"> Taj Mahal is Vedic Temple</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html" REL="nofollow">Taj Mahal is Hindu Temple Palace</A>Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-81041537333083716912008-03-12T17:27:00.000+05:302008-03-12T17:27:00.000+05:30Thanks a lot for the post. It was a good piece of ...Thanks a lot for the post. It was a good piece of information for me.vidhyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541265724148741484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-22511720240462367992008-03-12T14:20:00.000+05:302008-03-12T14:20:00.000+05:30So many other countries in Asia and Africa attaine...<I>So many other countries in Asia and Africa attained freedoms after WWII. Is it something to do with home-grown freedom struggles or is it that the world has changed?</I><BR/><BR/>I wouldn't know, since you are the smart one. Why not ask Nelson Mandela whether the world changed after WWII? ;)<BR/>-ChirkutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-84097222642220849382008-03-12T14:01:00.000+05:302008-03-12T14:01:00.000+05:30I am much smarter than you think I am ;-)Oh, I hav...<I>I am much smarter than you think I am ;-)</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, I have no doubt of that!! The problem with smart people is that they think they're always right, and don't listen (or read), or are always in a competitive mode. :-)<BR/><BR/>And, there's a difference between being smart and being wise. The day you grasp that difference, I'll start believing that there's hope for India. ;)<BR/><BR/>-ChirkutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-263995251913424752008-03-12T12:22:00.000+05:302008-03-12T12:22:00.000+05:30Chirkut:I am much smarter than you think I am ;-)D...Chirkut:<BR/><BR/>I am much smarter than you think I am ;-)<BR/><BR/>Did I discuss the role and contributions of people towards ‘freedom for Indians from British’? <BR/><BR/>Not really. If you see the above article, this discussion is glaringly omitted.<BR/><BR/>I did not attribute our ‘freedom from British’ to anyone in particular. I did not discuss or dismiss the patriotism of different leaders. And I definitely did not discuss who contributed more towards attaining freedom. [I could not have attributed attainment of India’s freedom to anyone in particular because I know my history. So many other countries in Asia and Africa attained freedoms after WWII. Is it something to do with home-grown freedom struggles or is it that the world has changed?]<BR/><BR/>In this article I was discussing the importance of internal struggles – which were far more important than fighting off the British. <BR/><BR/>The day you get my message I would start believing that humans are evolving to become a smarter race ;-)Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-90961100872604260862008-03-12T11:14:00.000+05:302008-03-12T11:14:00.000+05:30Shyam Benegal's movie "Netaji: The Forgotten Hero"...Shyam Benegal's movie "Netaji: The Forgotten Hero" mentions the important role that INA played in India's freedom. At the end of WWII, more than Gandhi's agitations, it was the danger of rebellion by the British Indian army and navy when members of INA were tried in court that led to the British realizing that it was time to go. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army#Impact" REL="nofollow">INA's impact</A>.<BR/><BR/>In hindsight, it is easy for us to pass judgment on freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Bose, but their patriotism and the role they played in India's freedom was no less important than that of the non-violence movement led by Gandhi and Nehru. Everyone contributed in the way they thought was best at that time, without the luxury of 20/20 vision that we have.<BR/>-ChirkutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-1397895148654601262008-03-12T02:24:00.000+05:302008-03-12T02:24:00.000+05:30The fact that India did not get Independence in 18...<I> The fact that India did not get Independence in 1857 was actually good for its people </I><BR/><BR/>Wonderful piece of text. Thanks for this beautiful "what-if" analysis. I think it was bad that India got its independence in 1947 also. We could have gotten a unified India with much broader influence if we got the independence in 2047 instead. <BR/><BR/>Not getting independence in 1857 was very good for the people who lived during that time also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-9294323941284149162008-03-11T19:02:00.000+05:302008-03-11T19:02:00.000+05:30Prasanna:Platoon is a very good movie. Thanks for ...Prasanna:<BR/>Platoon is a very good movie. Thanks for quoting from that movie.Sujaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16539694685428659940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-85216390967637003192008-03-11T13:30:00.000+05:302008-03-11T13:30:00.000+05:30A good analysis!Particularly the words which u use...A good analysis!<BR/>Particularly the words which u used made more sense to me:<BR/>..."our fight within- an inner struggle".<BR/><BR/>I am reminded of the film 'Platoon' by OliverStone. <BR/>at the end there is a dialogue:<BR/>"<BR/><BR/>Sergeant O'Neill!<BR/>- How are you doing? - Just fine, sir.<BR/>That's good, cos you got second platoon.<BR/>Yes, sir.<BR/>- Ready? - You bet.<BR/>I think now, looking back,we did not fight the enemy, <BR/>we fought ourselves, and the enemy... was in us.<BR/>The war is over for me now,but it will always be there, <BR/>for the rest ofmy days,as I'm sure Elias will be,<BR/>fighting with Barnes for what Rhah called possession ofmy soul.<BR/>There are times since...<BR/>I've felt like the child born ofthose two fathers.<BR/>But be that as it may, those ofus who did make it...<BR/>have an obligation to build again,<BR/>to teach to others what we know,<BR/>and to try with what's left ofour lives...<BR/>to find a goodness, and meaning, to this life.<BR/>"<BR/>--just thought of mentioning this!.<BR/>Keep up your good work Sujai!<BR/><BR/>regarding platoon: <BR/>It is not a film; It is an experience! http://imdb.com/title/tt0091763/)Prasannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345518761903357502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21825668.post-12761980377825962672008-03-11T09:48:00.000+05:302008-03-11T09:48:00.000+05:30Beautifully written. For all their faults Gandhi a...Beautifully written. For all their faults Gandhi and Nehru were great visionaries who dreamt of a new resurgent united India free of regional and casteist clashes. However many people in the present generation discredit Nehru for his policies saying he stagnated the growth of India by his economic policies not understanding that a socialist ploicy was the most viable economic alternative for a newly liberated country like ours.<BR/><BR/>But one can never say what India would have been like if the Partition had not taken place. Would we have been a united country free of communal hatred or would we be struggling to tackle Muslim extremists and jehadis?ragshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206768079226759526noreply@blogger.com