Saturday, October 20, 2007

Telangana III

Here I address some more issues. This follows Telangana – A New State, Telangana II.

No Animosity towards Andhra People

Frankly, I don’t hold any animosity towards anyone regarding this issue. Not the government, not the country, not the Andhra people, not the Telangana people, not the Rayalaseema, nor the incompetent politicians.

Many people quickly conclude that this fight for a separate Telangana is against Andhra people. It is not. I have many Andhra people as very good friends. They will continue to be friends the way so many Kashmiris, Bengalis and Tamils continue to be my friends. Just because they are good friends does not mean we have to belong to the same state.

Many States in India have been formed without creating animosity towards the parent state. Chattisgarh came out without creating any overt animosity towards people of Madhya Pradesh. The same was true with Jharkhand and Uttarkhand. Haryana came out of Punjab in 1966 without major conflict.

Sometimes, it makes sense just to separate as a new state before the pent up frustrations of separation-seekers give vent to anger against others whom they believe are obstructing that separation. Here, if we prolong this new state formation, there is a danger that Telangana people may turn their ire towards the nearest and easily available targets - which is quite undesirable. Many colonial empires delayed the eventuality of independence of their colonies only to be booted out unceremoniously.

Fight for Telangana is NOT new

The movement for Telangana is not new. It has always existed since the time of formation of Andhra Pradesh itself after Indian Independence. When the new state of Andhra Pradesh was formed out of Madras Presidency along linguistic lines, a big chunk of Telangana from erstwhile Nizam state of Hyderabad was added to it against the wishes of many Telangana people who protested in Hyderabad. Later on, the popular 1969 agitation turned into a debacle when its own leaders betrayed the cause. Now, TRS (Telangana Rashtra Samiti) is championing this cause for its own vested interests. Just because its leaders seem to have their own vested interests, one cannot shoo away or dismiss the real concerns of people of Telangana who have aspired a separate state since the time of Indian Independence.

No other state has protested and agitated as much as Telangana did in the recent times. Yet, it remains part of Andhra Pradesh against its wishes. The agitation of 1969 was led by many student bodies of Telangana joined by the common people seeking a separate Telangana. This agitation spawned many leaders from Telangana who have gone ahead to become the Chief Ministers later on. These leaders have betrayed their own people when they called off the agitation in return for small sops for people of Telangana as compensation. These sops were soon struck down by the courts of India. Therefore, this agitation of 1969 became a worthless exercise disillusioning many of its agitators. The status has not changed much for people of Telangana. Their demands were never addressed.

Should we decide on formation of new states based on quality of its leaders?

There is a tendency to discredit a separate Telangana movement by besmirching those who are more vocal about it. Now, a leader in the form of KCR (K Chandrasekhar Rao) has rallied himself and his party TRS, behind one slogan- ‘Separate Telangana’. Many of these leaders have bad reputation and have also been convicted for various frauds. Some people quickly jump to discredit the movement of Telangana by portraying it in the light of leaders of TRS. That is a big mistake. This kind of reasoning was used as a common excuse by colonial powers for NOT granting independence to their colonies. They cited the wrongs in the local leaders to explain why they were better off ruling the colonies compared to the local leaders.

Winston Churchill could not make himself grant independence to India because he could not come to believe that Indian leaders were capable of ruling themselves. Speaking of Indian leaders, he said, "to abandon India to the rule of the Brahmins would be an act of cruel and wicked negligence". According to him, "India will fall back quite rapidly through the centuries into the barbarism and privations of the Middle Ages".

In his speech to the Parliament, he said, “…To transfer that responsibility to this highly artificial and restricted oligarchy of Indian politicians would be a retrograde act. It would be a shameful act. It would be an act of cowardice, desertion and dishonour. It would bring grave material evils, both upon India and Great Britain…”

Look at some of the quotes of the detractors here from the comments on my blog:
…the TRS party, the passport brokers and human traffickers talk about Andhra cheaters. It is very scary what would happen if these guys get control of this region.
TRS has dubious credentials. If those fighting for telangana are truly disinterested, then can someone tell me what made them keep quiet for so long?
And I again repeat, those who propound for seperate state have absolutely no vision for development.
Telengana will just be KCR dominion as he could not rise through TDP ranks as much as he wanted….
Even if telangana intellectual support "Telangana state formation" they won't rule this state because KCR and other political parties will not allow them to rule it.

The detractors of separate Telangana have launched a campaign to discredit the leaders of TRS to sully the movement itself. We all have to understand one thing here - that TRS is NOT Telangana. Many Congress leaders in Telangana support a new state. Many BJP leaders have always supported a new state. I will not be surprised if some other political outfit other than TRS, such as Congress, BJP, or even Telugu Desam comes to power in the new state after its formation. Did we ever check the credentials of future leaders of Uttaranchal, Haryana, Chattisgarh before their formation? Would we have stopped giving them a new state because of their corrupt leaders? Is that a good reason not to grant statehood?

Did Andhras loot Telangana?

I do not believe that anyone has looted Telangana. But we do believe that our resources and opportunities were denied to us. Jharkhand, which has many natural resources, was a supplier of many minerals to the factories of Bihar. Over a period of time, the difference in these two parts was so much, it warranted a separate state so that people of Jharkhand could benefit from the natural resources of their own land. I believe that the administration (that included all political parties) was not caring enough to ensure all sections got their due share. That I believe is the main reason for this ongoing struggle.

If tomorrow whole of North-East states agitates to separate from India, we have to blame ourselves. We continue to neglect those states grossly and blatantly. Not a single industry has come up, not a major project has taken place. We have to bear the consequences of our own policies. Such neglect cannot be done away with some artificial sops later on.

Conclusion

I think it is a case of pragmatism to create a new Telangana. Those who dismiss every idea of separation in India as politically motivated move have not studied history. Those who dismiss the idea of separation as setting trend for many more separations, even that of the country itself, are immature. Those who dismiss the idea of separation as nothing more than a fanciful whim of certain bored people are downright ignorant.

Telangana makes a stronger case than any other new state that was formed recently in India. All objections are flimsy and do not hold ground. Those who are opposing it are making fools of themselves the same way some many detractors who thought an Independent India was a joke were later proved completely wrong.
Update: The later parts of this blog are at Telangana IV.

58 comments:

  1. Sujai,

    For a question in "Telangana -new state" topic u answered something like this.

    "Even if telangana intellectual support "Telangana state formation" they won't rule this state because KCR and other political parties will not allow them to rule it.

    The detractors of separate Telangana have launched a campaign to discredit the leaders of TRS to sully the movement itself. Many BJP leaders have always supported a new state. I will not be surprised if some other political outfit other than TRS, such as Congress, BJP, or even Telugu Desam comes to power in the new state after its formation. Did we ever check the credentials of future leaders of Uttaranchal, Haryana, Chattisgarh before their formation? Would we have stopped giving them a new state because of their corrupt leaders? Is that a good reason not to grant statehood?"


    Agree that any state will be developed only when good people rules it.So u mean even after knowing that it won't be ruled by intellectucals and will be only ruled by corrupted politicians why do u still support smaller states ?

    Many guys here have the feeling that they have been ruled and been harassed by Andhra people but forgot that they have been ruled by Telanagan guys also.And ur statement make me think that "u don't mind even if u guys are ruled by ur own guys harassed or destroyed".



    Do you know how good Jharkand is now after the state got formed? U only talk about Uttaranchal because u want to support only ur point of smaller state.I am not against Telangana.I am against smaller states.The concept of smaller state is not good.In the first topic u compared us with "US".

    Why do u compare only in this issue of smaller state?

    There we have corruption but not the level which have here.There people are disciplined do we have that here ? You are only comparing the points which are in favor of u r topic.

    Any work u take,u shud have both positive and negative effects of that work.

    All these parties support smaller state because they want their own political growth thats it.

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  2. Hello-

    Agree that any state will be developed only when good people rules it.

    I never insinuated the above. Whether the rulers are good or bad is irrelevant to this discussion. Just because we find out that the rulers of Nigeria are bad, do we export rulers from Sweden to rule the Nigerians? Even if each new generation of Nigerian rulers turn out to be bad, we just hope the next are better, but we will never hand over that country to some other country rulers. That’s how we define freedom and self-rule.

    So u mean even after knowing that it won't be ruled by intellectucals and will be only ruled by corrupted politicians why do u still support smaller states ?

    First, I never said I ‘know’ that our rulers are bad. Second, I never put a condition that a state should be ruled by intellectuals. There is no correlation whatsoever to suggest that intellectuals make good leaders. I don’t prescribe to that argument. If you see other blogs of mine I completely ridicule this ‘urban-literate-centric’ view of ruling.

    Yes, even if someone were to prove that the leaders of Telangana are going to be bad, I would still support it. Don’t you get it? The same argument was made by British about Indian leaders. We didn’t buy that argument then, why should I buy it now – just because the seller of the argument happens to be fellow Indian? Back then, we wanted to rule ourselves, even if means really bad leaders. Even now, we want to rule ourselves, even if it means really bad leaders.

    It is not whether we get good leaders or not. It is about who is accountable to whom? A Telangana state will spawn leaders who are held accountable to what happens in Telangana. Hence, whether it is a good leader or bad leader, eventually he is held accountable by Telangana people to what the leader does to Telangana. I hope you get this argument into your heads.

    Many guys here have the feeling that they have been ruled and been harassed by Andhra people but forgot that they have been ruled by Telanagan guys also.

    I don’t prescribe to the view that we have been harassed by Andhra people.

    And ur statement make me think that "u don't mind even if u guys are ruled by ur own guys harassed or destroyed".

    Yes, I do believe that even if the rulers of one’s country are bad, it is better to be ruled by ourselves. Just because our politicians make a mockery of our parliament proceedings and act like apes, I do not prescribe to the view that we should bring in efficient Swedish or Norwegian politicians to rule us. Sorry!

    Do you know how good Jharkand is now after the state got formed?

    Do you know how good it was when it was with Bihar 

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  3. "I don’t prescribe to the view that we have been harassed by Andhra people."

    If not you many telangana guys have this feeling Sujai.Read ur First topic.You can see how people have grudge against Andhra guys.

    Telangana people think we have stolen godavari water.Andhra is in downstream.Even if u use water in Telanagana u have to release it to andhra because it needs to go and merge in Bay of bengal.No one has stolen water boss its a natural resouce.Seeing greenary in andhra won't mean they are far developed than you guys.

    "Yes, I do believe that even if the rulers of one’s country are bad, it is better to be ruled by ourselves. Just because our politicians make a mockery of our parliament proceedings and act like apes, I do not prescribe to the view that we should bring in efficient Swedish or Norwegian politicians to rule us. Sorry!"

    This is absolutely ridiculous.We are not borrowing or exporting minsters from Tamilnadu or Karnataka.You can't say we are exporting minsters from andhra/rayalseema.Telangana is still a part of andhra pradesh.When you get a state say all this.And when it is formed no one from other part of andhra will come and stay with you.Don't worry.Becuase the way u have affection towards Telanagana people of other distrtics have their own affections to their place too.Even you get developed very fastly i don't beleieve people will come and stay in Adilabad.

    And u talk about smaller states for good adminstration.Whatever new state is formed is formed from a state which has more than 35 or 40 districts.

    Bihar has 38 and jharkand has 16 so OLD Bihar has 54 districts.
    UP has 70 and uttarnchal has - 13 so OLD UP has 83.
    MP has 38 and chattisgarh has 18 .So OLD MP has 56

    Is there any new state formed by 9 districts ??Ok lets suppose u get Telanagana there are few more states which will seek the same example and break their own state into smaller.This is absolutely a National issue dude.

    You can't say someone don't have commonsense which proves that u urself has no common sense.Give me one example in India where state capital got divided in state separation.

    If you see punjab and haryana both are state with 20 districts each and the capital is same.Why u guys stress on Telangana with "Hyderabad" as capital why can't telangana without hyderabd and make it capital for both states. Even then you have smaller state and ur adminstration concept remains.

    Take telanagana and make karimnagar as capital.Will you accept that?You said it won't take much time to develop or make rules or build things then why can't you do this.When you say "Telangana shud be given becuase its people opinion" then u shud also take consideration of other people opinion on hyderabad.Because other parts of AP don't want Hyderabad in Telanagana.Will you accept it ?

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  4. Is there any new state formed by 9 districts ??

    Goa has 2 districts and is a state. It was formed out of a Union Territory in 1987.
    Sikkim has 4 districts and is a state. It got formed in 1975.
    Himachal Pradesh has 12 districts and is a state. It got formed in 1971.

    Nagaland has 11 districts and is a state. It has an area of 16,000 sq. km. Telangana has an area of 114,000 sq. km (7 times bigger). So, you think the number of districts should be a criteria or should it be the area?

    Goa has a population of 14 Lakhs.
    Himachal Pradesh has a population of 60 Lakhs.
    Nagaland has a population of 19 Lakhs.

    While, Telangana has a population of 304 Lakhs (approximately). (Three times more than the total of these states put together). So, you think the number of districts should be a criteria or should it be the population?

    I am tired of your STUPID arguments. Your attempts to say why Telangana should not be formed are ridiculous, frivolous and downright idiotic.

    Ok lets suppose u get Telanagana there are few more states which will seek the same example and break their own state into smaller.This is absolutely a National issue dude

    Is there a limit on the number of states a country can have? If that is the case, why do we have so many states in the North-east?

    You can't say someone don't have commonsense which proves that u urself has no common sense.

    Really? Hmm.. Are you saying that if I call someone an idiot it proves I am an idiot? Hmm.. the corollary would be- if I call someone a genius it proves I am a genius. Wow! What logic! I am quite sure the school you attended should be proud!

    Give me one example in India where state capital got divided in state separation.

    Who is asking anyone to divide the state capital. We just want it in the same region it always was- in Telangana.

    Because other parts of AP don't want Hyderabad in Telanagana.Will you accept it ?

    Would YOU have accepted if Pakistan wanted their capital in New Delhi and wanted New Delhi for themselves? 

    End of low-IQ discussion. Sorry but its quite exhausting to be discussing at such levels. You can keep writing your tripe. And please mention your name so that I know the source of that tripe.

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  5. Sujai,


    This is kiran.I was going thru all ur BLOGS.I don't know who is that anonymous but from the comments made in "Telangana 4-" and "Telangan-2" which are almost similar(or may be from same one) . I want to ask u some thing.

    "Who is asking anyone to divide the state capital. We just want it in the same region it always was- in Telangana."


    Goa,sikkim himachal pradesh are the states formed in1970's. I am asking the same question can you tell me a new state formed currenlty dividing the most developed part of the state which is also the state capital.

    Someone in Telangana-4 has rightly said that if we got divided in 1970 even we don't have problem.Separate Telangana is delayed becuse the biggest reason is we have to divide the state Capital. What will be u r answer for that.As mentioned in some topic most of the TTD money is spent to develop Hyderabad.Will u give back that money if Telangana is formed.When Andhra-Telangana merged state capital is moved to hyderabad.Did someone asked why they are moving or did u guys asked ? At that time what was the position of hyderabad ? In u rfirst topic "Telangana a new state" one guy has posted what MIM thinks. MIM once said "we want Hyderabad as Union territory.We won't support telangana movement.And if telangana is formed we should even consider the opinion of hyderabad muslims". So if Telangana is formed and Hyderabad is made uninon teritory what will u say for that? Will u still say Hyderabd shud be with telangana.And ur answer was wrong.Telangana was in hyderabad.Hyderabd was not in telangana.If u go with SRC then it was in Telangana district and then Telanagana is also in AP.

    Muslims of hyderabad are integral part of Nizam ruled Hyderabad.U can't say no for it. Now if they ask for separate hyderabad what will be your stand.I am not arguing .I am just curious to know what you are going to say for all these.

    I have gone thru many topics in u BLOG and I some how personaly feel that u think u have a very good IQ and grip on what ever u say.If you feel you have been questioned heavly u end it by saying Low-IQ.

    Regards
    kiran

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  6. Am not a Telugu, dont have much context. Interesting discussion. From the sidelines, may I suggest a solution: get enough Hyderabadis to demand their own state, or UT if the state is not viable.

    By the formula that the people have spoken and expressed their desire for such an entity, this is now a valid desire and can be soon turned into an eventuality.

    Thus a 3 piece solution: Telangana, Andhra and Hyderabad could be fair.

    If Telangana supporters argue that Hyd falls within Telangana boundaries and should go to it, there is some material on this very blog (landlocked state etc) that can be used to counter them -not to mention that they are running against the now-expressed wishes of the Hyderabadis.

    regards,
    Jai

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  7. Kiran:

    I am asking the same question can you tell me a new state formed currenlty dividing the most developed part of the state which is also the state capital.

    You are thinking Telangana is new state. Why don’t you think that rest of Andhra is a new state? ;-)

    I don’t see it as ‘dividing a capital’. Capital city just happens to be in one region, and only one region gets it (unless it sits right in the middle- which is an exception). For example, Bihar got divided into two regions – Region A and Region B. Region A got the capital city and that Region just happens to call itself Bihar. That’s all. It should not seen as ‘Look, Bihar got the capital city because it was the parent state’. If India got New Delhi, its not because we called ourselves India. Its because it was situated in a land claimed by Indians. If India called itself Bharat, we would still have got New Delhi.

    If Bihar got divided into two regions and they called themselves Santaland and Bantaland. How do we say which region will get Patna? Only one of them gets it. It will go to that land where it lies. Nobody debates about it. Hyderabad happens to be in a region claimed by Telangana. If the capital city was Kurnool, then Telangana would not get Kurnool, no matter what they did- even if they cried the way some people are now crying about losing Hyderabad to Telangana.

    You are seeing this as a division of state into a major unit and a minor unit and you believe the major unit should get the capital city. The capital city goes to major unit ONLY IF the capital city happens to be in the major unit. It will go to the minor unit if the capital city happens to be in the minor unit. What if you don’t see it as major unit and minor unit but as two distinct units. Then what do we do?

    That’s why I bring in the topic of Pakistan and India. Just because many Mughal emperors, allegedly the ancestors of the new Pakistan, invested lot of money into New Delhi does not mean they will get New Delhi. : - )

    Someone in Telangana-4 has rightly said that if we got divided in 1970 even we don't have problem.

    How does it matter if we got divided in 1970 or in 2070 or in 1870? If the aspirations of Telangana people to have their own state do not change, then there is always a case for making a new state whatever may be the time. Creating new states is not related to time, but very much to do with satisfying the aspirations of certain people.

    New Delhi served as capital of Muslim rulers for a thousand years. Pakistan could have easily claimed this city for itself for a thousand years of investment. That logic is invalid. The capital city cannot be transported in geography to another country just because they want it.

    Separate Telangana is delayed becuse the biggest reason is we have to divide the state Capital.

    And that’s why we should not delay it further :-)

    As mentioned in some topic most of the TTD money is spent to develop Hyderabad.Will u give back that money if Telangana is formed.

    Gujaratis have invested in many places including Hyderabad. That does not mean the city belongs to Gujaratis. Many people who have invested in New Delhi do not belong to New Delhi. However once invested, that investment belongs to New Delhi.

    Many countries invest huge amounts of money into India, in many projects. That does not mean those lands belong to those countries. Those lands will always belong to India irrespective of the amounts that get invested.

    There is a fundamental belief system in many of you people arguing here that is grossly flawed. You think that since Intel invested heavily in Bangalore somehow that land belongs to USA. That’s not how it works.

    One always has a choice to pull out investments. And Intel can always pull away its investments. The same way TTD can pull away its investments anytime.

    So if Telangana is formed and Hyderabad is made uninon teritory what will u say for that?

    That would be a stupid move. There is no need to make Hyderabad a union territory. It is like saying, ‘we will be happy if nobody wins’. It’s a very negative attitude to look at things. Usually Union Territories are formed for a different reason. Most Union Territories were formed when we had a region to deal with which we could not make a state out of, and which we could not add to a nearby state just because it has a historical, cultural or linguistic makeup distinctly different form that state. Goa got introduced into India when Portuguese were kicked out and it was considered too small to be ruled as a state. Over a period of time, we started to convert most of our union territories into state. The trend has been reverse not the other way.

    Hyderabd was not in telangana.

    Hyderabad was always in Telangana. Historically, the make up of Telangana comes out of a section of people living under Nizam Rule but speaking a language that was a dialect of Telugu. Hyderabad was the power-center of that region.

    Muslims of hyderabad are integral part of Nizam ruled Hyderabad.U can't say no for it. Now if they ask for separate hyderabad what will be your stand.

    My stand is very simple. If people of Hyderabad want to create a separate state, they are entitled to. I have nothing against it. However if only Muslims want it, we cannot justify it because Muslims alone do not live in that place as a majority. If indeed Muslims were a majority in Hyderabad, and they want to vote to become a new state, they are perfectly justified in their claims.

    If you feel you have been questioned heavly u end it by saying Low-IQ.

    Yes! After some point of time I do get irritated by barrage of stupid and idiotic questions. There is a limit to the dosage of idiocy one can take in a day. When I cross that limit, I do end such discussions. There is no point in trying to teach Newtonian Physics to a dog. You will never succeed and it will only frustrate you. Some people just don’t want to think. They come up with arguments which are ludicrous. Would have made one laugh and roll on the floor if it wasn’t for such a serious affair affecting millions of people.

    But if I am bombarded with logical questions and curious questions, I don’t mind typing away thousands of words explaining it.

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  8. Hi Sujai,

    I saw ur comments for Kiran's question!! But I really feel the answers u have given for many questions does not make sense.And when you write a topic,put it in ur BLOGS and people read it they will definitely argue and you cannot say "You are only the right person" and others have Less IQ.

    If you who have good writting skills it doesn't mean You are very good in IQ.For a question u answered something like this:

    "You are thinking Telangana is new state. Why don’t you think that rest of Andhra is a new state?"

    Read the history.Whatever ur witting is based on only google search and whatever you studied somewhere.Telangana was never a states but Andhra was a state.Telanagana was part of Hyderabad state which got merged to Andhra by first SRC.So even if Telanagana 9 districts form a state it will be new state.Andhra is not new state.And andhra is the first state which got formed in INDIA depending on Linguistics basis.So you can't say rest of andhra is a new state.

    Secondly,When punjab and harayana got separated,Chandigarh geograpically stays in punjab,but was made state capital of both Haryana and Punjab.So according to ur suggestion since hyderabad is in geograpically does not mean it shud stay in Telanagana.

    Thirdly,Investment made by gujratis or Intel in bangalore does not hold as a right example in this context.They invested for business purpose. TTD never invested anything in hyderabad.

    The govt. of AP has taken/borrowed amount from TTD for hyderabad developemnt since this organisation has the highest revenue in the world and it is present in AP.They did notborrowed money from Ayodya Ram mandir.

    If TTD is interested in business in hyderabad then ur statement makes sense .But its the other way.Out govt. has borrowed money .So according to u r statement if a guy borrow money and the guy dies even after having proof that he has borrowed money from a guy ,then there is noneed for the sons of the died person to return money? Do u mean that?

    You gave example of Sweden people ruling Nigerians and used the word "exporting". George.w.bush -president of America ,home state is texas.If he rules America does the Newyork guys think they are exporting president from soem other part of the country. Exporting comes into picture when you do it from Canada.

    Telangana -state has not yet formed.If a guy from rayalseema is ruling AP then telangana guys shud not think they are importing CM's.When new state is formed (for which even I am supporting) I will definitely mean if some one from other parts rule us.

    I have a friend from last 22 yrs who hails from Nalgonda and has 40 acres of land.Hid father once told me when KCR started telangana movement:

    "If state has to get divided it shud get divided in 1970 movement.People have now moved to different towns for their livelihood and asking for state now is waste".He is 60 yrs now.
    Another friend who hails from Bhongiri and his father 55 has the same feeling.

    Do you really think you have a better knowledge than these guys who really know what problems they faced in their young age. I agree Telangana movement was there from last 50 yrs but why chanareddy after raising the slogan "andhrite go back" stopped telagana movement when he got Governor post of UP.Why he did not speak for a state when he was CM? What he did for these districts ? Why KCR is raised "Telangana movement".What he was doing all these days?
    This is just a political drama for which we get influenced and start discussions.After reading u r first topic I saw how people of different parts of this stae have grudge against each other.

    In one topic on Ram sethu-you said "people sentiments shud not be taken care if it hinders development".Then why shud we take people sentiment into consideration regarding Telangana.Don't you think AP is on development road with "Hyderabad getting lot of investments". If we break and give it to Telangana.What gurantee is there that you won't ask people of other places to leave this place? In 1970 we heard the slogan "Andhrite go back" !! Can you gurantee the business guys that you are not going to say that.May be you won't say but because u r educated but they are so many people in Telangana who want this.Tomorrow if they want to grow poltically they will definitely raise this issue. Don't say I am a detractor or negative thinker.Politician in India can go to any extent for their livelihood.

    If you don't like someone arguing just keep quite and answer to only few.You don't have to say "I am quite sure the school you attended should be proud!!!" . I think you like this sentence a lot :) But if the same guy revert back asking u the same question how will you feel ? With having so much knowledge how u missed the simple thing like "Telangana was never a state". don't fight don't fight.When ur author of some topic u will be definitely bombarded with such arguments.You don't have to be arrogant.

    Anyways I have many things to say but my discussion ends here.We just talk to each other,write here and fight here.No one is going to consider out thoughts. I don't mind even if state gets divided untill people have humanity and affection towards each other.Which I don't think people have now(In courtersy with u r first topic I came to this conclusion).sorry If I hurt u.No offence please.

    Now I am asking you from which part of AP you belong ?? Ur BLOG shows "Bangalore India".

    Regards
    Srinivas rao (I am writting my name because u asked some anonymous to mention his name)
    Working for a private firm as Assitant manager.

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  9. Hi Srinivas rao:

    Thanks for writing your name.

    But I really feel the answers u have given for many questions does not make sense.

    Sorry if they do not make sense to you. I do my best to make sense. If you want to know more about where I stand on issues, please read more about this at “Where do I stand?” on this blog.

    …you cannot say "You are only the right person" and others have Less IQ.

    First, I never say I am the only right person. I just put out my stand. You are welcome to put out your stand. Sometimes I do not agree with you. Just because you keep writing more and more on my blog, I wouldn’t be changing my stand. You have to make sense first to get to me, so that I take you seriously. Then, there is a chance – may be - that I change my stand. Second, I didn’t say other people have low-IQ. I just called some discussions have low-IQ. That’s because some people just do not want to think. They may be showing exceptional skills in various other fields in their lives – I am not commenting on what they do in those ‘various other fields’.

    "You are thinking Telangana is new state. Why don’t you think that rest of Andhra is a new state?"

    That was just a hypothetical suggestion to allow one to think in a different way. If you don’t like it, I will take it back, because this sentence does not form the gist of my argument and its removal will not crumble my argument.

    Secondly,When punjab and harayana got separated,Chandigarh geograpically stays in punjab,but was made state capital of both Haryana and Punjab.So according to ur suggestion since hyderabad is in geograpically does not mean it shud stay in Telanagana.

    You cited Chandigarh as an example. Good. Now give an example for the second part of your argument above. (You may want to look into Europe after WWII and you may want to know the result of such a situation).

    TTD never invested anything in hyderabad… The govt. of AP has taken/borrowed amount from TTD for hyderabad development

    The government of AP also borrowed from many banks residing outside India, such as World Bank, etc. So, should Hyderabad go to World Bank now? ;-)

    You are getting into unnecessary nitty-gritty details on issues that are irrelevant for this topic of discussion. I discard the argument that ‘TTD or Intel or World Bank has invested or loaned amount for development of Hyderabad’ as a basis for stopping division of political units within the confines of Indian laws. So how much ever you try to nitpick this argument and portray nuances and facets of the same argument using different words, it’s not going to matter because you not providing any counterarguments.

    This is where I want to take you and few others out there on a wonderful trip of ‘what qualifies a good argument’. If I were you, I would first present the premise that ‘making investments or giving loans by certain agency’ is a valid reason for stopping or not creating a new unit, state or a nation. Then I would go about giving some examples from our contemporary history where a unit, state or nation was stopped from getting created because of sole reason or prominent reason that certain agency has invested or given loans to a city in the proposed new state. Then I would go about giving some facts on how much TTD has given as loans, and how much % it constitutes of total investment or loans given to Hyderabad so far in certain period of time. And then I would conclude that from the above line of thought, it makes sense to stop creation of the new state of Telangana.

    That I call is a logical argument. And I don’t see it coming from the commenters here. They keep dancing from nitpicking to another without attacking the core line of argument. That’s also why I have a very low opinion of many educated Indians. That’s also why I tend to call them Idiots once in a while.

    If TTD is interested in business in hyderabad then ur statement makes sense .But its the other way.Out govt. has borrowed money .So according to u r statement if a guy borrow money and the guy dies even after having proof that he has borrowed money from a guy ,then there is noneed for the sons of the died person to return money? Do u mean that?

    See, this is a good example of what I call ‘discussion of low-IQ’.
    OK. If it is loans from TTD, then let them continue to be loans. If it is investment from TTD, let them continue to be investments. If TTD wants the loans or investments back, they can ask the new state. This is not a valid reason for objecting creation of a new state. Only fools would argue this way.

    To make this a logical argument, you have to say why ‘investments’ are different from ‘loans’. And then say why loans have a completely different say in matters of politics of a state and its constitution. And then cite some examples where such ‘loans to a city’ affected the political outcome or the makeup of the state while ‘investments to a city’ did not. And then go on to conclude that my argument of talking about ‘investments’ is wrong when I should have instead talked about ‘loans’. I don’t see that logic here. Instead I see nitpicking of facts which do not change the outcome of the discussion.

    You gave example of Sweden people ruling Nigerians and used the word "exporting". George.w.bush -president of America ,home state is texas.If he rules America does the Newyork guys think they are exporting president from soem other part of the country. Exporting comes into picture when you do it from Canada.

    Another silly argument with no relevance to this discussion!

    I presented this argument to say that ‘lack of good leaders’ cannot be a valid reason for not granting a state. You completely missed the big picture and you are just nitpicking some trivialities. Many commenters just waste my time. Lack of their common sense should not a reason why I should waste my time.

    Do you really think you have a better knowledge than these guys who really know what problems they faced in their young age.

    Irrelevant to the discussion! ‘Objection sustained.’ ;-)

    I agree Telangana movement was there from last 50 yrs but why chanareddy after raising the slogan "andhrite go back" stopped telagana movement when he got Governor post of UP.Why he did not speak for a state when he was CM? What he did for these districts ? Why KCR is raised "Telangana movement".What he was doing all these days?

    Irrelevant to the discussion! Not a valid reason for objecting to formation of a new state.
    I provide this as a counter argument - What were Indians doing for two hundred years to raise a demand for Independent India? Why did they wait for so long? ;-)

    In one topic on Ram sethu-you said "people sentiments shud not be taken care if it hinders development".

    You are misquoting me. I maintain my stand that ‘hurting of people’s sentiments is not a good enough reason by itself to stop development’. There is a big difference between the two. In this case, just because some people of Andhra are going to get hurt is not a good enough reason to go ahead and create Telangana! I am consistent.

    Also, I maintain that it’s the people of the land who have to decide how they want to be governed and by whom. This is a consistent stand I take either it is Telangana or Kashmir.

    Don't you think AP is on development road with "Hyderabad getting lot of investments".

    Yes, I do.

    In 1970 we heard the slogan "Andhrite go back" !! Can you gurantee the business guys that you are not going to say that.

    It’s up to the people of Telangana what they want to do with it. Whether they are going to continue doing business or whether they want to be stupid enough to kick people and investments out, its up to the new state of Telangana. There cannot be any preconditions or guarantees. Lack of such guarantees is not a valid reason for stopping creation of a new state. That’s the idea of self-rule – ‘We will do what we want to do without coercion or conditions from anyone outside!’

    With having so much knowledge how u missed the simple thing like "Telangana was never a state".

    That does not change anything. Jharkhand was never a state. It is now. India was never a country. It is now. Telangana may never have been a state before. It will be now.

    sorry If I hurt u.No offence please.

    Does it look like I get hurt?
    I don’t.

    But I do get irritated by the sheer volume of human idiocy, that’s all.

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  10. Sujai,

    "I provide this as a counter argument - What were Indians doing for two hundred years to raise a demand for Independent India? Why did they wait for so long? ;-)"

    Are u comparing Indian freedom movement with "Telangana movement" ?? First of all Telangana guys are not slaves here.We were slaves to British government.

    Secondly,British rule was from 1776 -1947. Even if Indians wake up late after 100 yrs(almost), from 1857 they started fighting agianst British rule and continued till 1947 continously to get freedom. They did not give break nd continued the movement for every 15 yrs. Having a wish is different and trying to achieve that wish is different.But what these Telangana guys did ?People might have Telangana sentiment from last 50 yrs but except for 1969-70 "Jai telangana movement", what else they did? why they kept quiet fro 31 yrs ??

    As mentioned by "Srinivas Rao" this is absolutely related to this topic and we even need to think on this.If "Telangana" needs to be formed the sentiment and movement both shud go parallely its not that for every 20 yrs we raise our voice bow the seeds of hatred between two regions and when we get the limelight just keep quiet.Does this called movement ? And I think even many Telangana people are also not in favour of Telangana.Its only the political parties which are giving statements and making people aggressive. I am saying this line with the example given by "Srinivasa Rao" and also the recent karimnagar election.I heard people saying KCR win shows we need telangana.Does retainng his own seat means we want a new state?

    KCR got 3,78,030 votes, compared to 1,76,448 votes secured by Mr. Jeevan Reddy and 1,70,268 by L. Ramana of the TDP.So Congres and TDP combindely got 3,46,716. In one of ur answers you said "Let Telangana people decide whether they want Telangana or not ?" From the above equation it means (almost)50% people still don't want "Telangana" ?

    Lets see 2009 elections results.IF TRS wins all the seats in Telangana then lets think about new state.Don't say this is also irrelevant to topic.This is ofcourse a relevant issue when we are in democratic country.:)

    As 'Srinivas Rao" said "Even I will vote for smaller states untill we have humanity and affection".


    Now,what ever I am saying is irrelevant to the above topic.This is only for you Sujai .One of ur BLOG has the topic "Idiotic Indians". I "condemn" this title . The content might show how people have less common sense and how Indians behave.But seeing only 1/3 or 2/3 majority doing this u can't say all "Indians are idiots".You can say this to ur closer ones or to ur friends but not in public forums.You are BLOG is being read by many all over the world.So I request not to use these kind of titles in you future topics.

    If you are Sujai karampuri: Being a Niitian from Warangal,MS from US and Founder of one company you are equally responsible in maintaining our countries dignity.

    Regards

    Venu
    SSE-PCS(India)

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  11. Venu:

    Are u comparing Indian freedom movement with "Telangana movement" ?? First of all Telangana guys are not slaves here.We were slaves to British government.

    Irrelevant to the discussion. Please see my observations above on how people get into discussions and arguments that do not make any sense. You have to know what ‘slave’ means.

    from 1857 they started fighting agianst British rule and continued till 1947 continously to get freedom. They did not give break nd continued the movement for every 15 yrs.

    First, I have made it a point not to engage idiots, and people of low common sense. Then, I have made it point not to engage in low-IQ discussion. And sometimes, I would like to disengage from discussing with ignorant people. Do you really think our fight for Independence was a continuous movement?

    People might have Telangana sentiment from last 50 yrs but except for 1969-70 "Jai telangana movement", what else they did? why they kept quiet fro 31 yrs ??

    They were watching crappy telugu movies! ;-)

    If "Telangana" needs to be formed the sentiment and movement both shud go parallely its not that for every 20 yrs we raise our voice bow the seeds of hatred between two regions and when we get the limelight just keep quiet.Does this called movement ?

    May be, its not called a movement. Would you like to call it First War of Separation and Second War of Separation? Or do you want to call it First Revolution and Second Revolution? Pick any title- as you please.

    And I think even many Telangana people are also not in favour of Telangana.

    You are right. Even Indians were not in favor of Independence from British.

    Its only the political parties which are giving statements and making people aggressive.

    Yes, you are right. And political parties in India come to power without getting any votes from people. They are appointed by the General of Indian Army, in fact.

    From the above equation it means (almost)50% people still don't want "Telangana" ?

    How did British know that most of India wanted independence? Just because some Congress leaders won the elections does not mean people wanted freedom, right? There was never a referendum. According to this line of thinking British should never have given India freedom.

    One of ur BLOG has the topic "Idiotic Indians". I "condemn" this title .

    Please condemn that title! ;-) You have every right to condemn. And I have the right publish it! Welcome to world of maturity!

    And the more I get such comments on my blog, the more it gives strength to my title. Keep writing, and keep proving my title! Thanks.

    u can't say all "Indians are idiots".You can say this to ur closer ones or to ur friends but not in public forums.You are BLOG is being read by many all over the world.So I request not to use these kind of titles in you future topics.

    Please read my article on ‘Peevish Indians’. My answers are there.

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  12. *I heard people saying KCR win shows we need telangana.Does retainng his own seat means we want a new state?

    KCR got 3,78,030 votes, compared to 1,76,448 votes secured by Mr. Jeevan Reddy and 1,70,268 by L. Ramana of the TDP.So Congres and TDP combindely got 3,46,716. In one of ur answers you said "Let Telangana people decide whether they want Telangana or not ?" From the above equation it means (almost)50% people still don't want "Telangana" ?

    I have a question. Do you see it as a contest of KCR retaining his seat or people's decision on Telangana? Because the above two statements are conflicting.

    Now coming to your argument, Was the election contested by groups 'for Telangana' and 'against Telangana'? Did the congress and TDP contestants say that they are against the formation of Telangana?
    I bet there would be more than 80% for Telangana, if there is a consensus vote conducted.
    Not about you, but the way people draw conclusions always baffles me. I read some one saying KCR was behind other contestants in one constituency, so the people voted against Telangana.


    *Lets see 2009 elections results.IF TRS wins all the seats in Telangana then lets think about new state.Don't say this is also irrelevant to topic.This is ofcourse a relevant issue when we are in democratic country.:)

    Even if TRS wins all seats you might come back and say they did not win all votes or more than X% votes and (X-100)% people are against the formation of Telangana.
    It makes me feel that it is your reluctance to accept Telangana as a new state.

    I do not think TRS wins all seats. The formation is Telangana is going to depend on the equations at the central for formation of a govt. Even if TRS wins half of the seats and if those seats become important for some alliance to form a govt, they would give Telangana. There is a also a chance that even if TRS wins all seats and if one party gains full majority, they wont need TRS. It is going to be a hell lot of alliances in the state too. Even TDP might form an alliance with TRS. Who knows!!!! Im sure the next elections are going to be interesting.

    *"Even I will vote for smaller states untill we have humanity and affection

    I feel this humanity and affection are universal problems.
    The people Telangana do not have any hostility towards people of Andhra. But they sure will have animosity against those Andhrites who look down on them and ridicule their culture and language. Im against any one who shout at Andrhites to back. Those who have been living in Telangana districts and those who embraced this place will continue to live here. Im sure all the Telanganites agree with me. The fight is not against the people of Andhra. The people of Telangana wants their own system and own rule.

    -Bix

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  13. Bix,

    I say Karimnagar win as only KCR retaining his seat.

    "Even if TRS wins all seats you might come back and say they did not win all votes or more than X% votes and (X-100)% people are against the formation of Telangana"

    I won't say this.Becuase if X% is more; than TRS will never have majority.If there are 100 people and telangana sentiment is there then 80 will definitely vote for Telanagana or vote for TRS(since it agenda is separate telangana) it means majority people want it.I won't say since 20 don't want it I will not give it.Its not democracy.

    I just gave the voting comparision because people claim KCR win as Telangana win.Even Sujai in "Telangana -new state formation" for a question asked by kuffir said "It came out clearly in the mandate in elections".

    If that was the case then instead of 50% he shud get 80%.

    "It makes me feel that it is your reluctance to accept Telangana as a new state."

    No I am not.I am only concerned about it shud not be political drama which happened in 1969. Chana reddy raised the slogans "Andrites go back" and when got the ministry just kept quiet.I already made it clear in my previous post."its not that for every 20 yrs we raise our voice bow the seeds of hatred between two regions and when we get the limelight just keep quiet".I won't mind even if Indian get divided into many more states because we can settle some or the other place in India.We are not asked to leave India ;)

    And Sujai,

    I read ur "Peevish Indians". But u got me wrong.I never siad what ever u said is wrong and I never mentioned not to write the things which happened around or frustate you.I only said instead of writting "Idiotic Indians" you can say something else.And why are u so reluctant ?

    The things which u wrote are the principles which I follow in my life: "I don't break signals,I put my cell in silent mode in meetings,I don't use mobile while driving,don't throw paper on road or piss on roads,Don't use high beams in city even I am staying in hyderabad where people normally do all these. Even I curse people saying "no common sense guys". But then I don't write in a public forum saying "Idiotic Indian" .Then how can you say "Idiotic Indians".Now don't tell me it is for those who do it. If you mean only to that community than you can't say "Idiotic Indians". You don't have to be so arrogant and say "Keep writing, and keep proving my title! Thanks."

    Anyways I won't come back to your BLOG once again. After reading few of you topics I felt u are a bit different.But I think with ur arrogant behaviour in many cases u too belong to the both communities "Idiotic ...." and "Peevish Indians".I said because u understand ur own language.
    Even you can' t take it if someone say don't do it. And you call ur self as matured guy.

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  14. *I won't say since 20 don't want it I will not give it.Its not democracy.

    I just gave the voting comparision because people claim KCR win as Telangana win.Even Sujai in "Telangana -new state formation" for a question asked by kuffir said "It came out clearly in the mandate in elections".

    - Venu, As I mentioned in my earlier post, the other parties did not contest with an agenda of 'No for Telangana'. The Congress party in that election claimed they are the only party that is capable of bringing Telangana state. BJP also contested with and agenda of Telangana and got some 45k votes.

    If we go with pure Mathematics TRS and BJP pulled to gether around 55% which is majority.Congress which also supported Telangana pulled 176k votes.Adding that comes to near 78%.

    In the 2004 elections Congress and TRS formed an alliance with an agreement of forming Telangana state and sweeped majority of seats. Is that not a clear mandate?

    In 1971 the TPS won majority of seats. On all the occassions when ever Telangana issue came forth, the poeple voted their desire.

    KCR won the contest just because people voted and expresed their for Telangana.

    *I am only concerned about it shud not be political drama which happened in 1969. Chana reddy raised the slogans "Andrites go back" and when got the ministry just kept quiet.I already made it clear in my previous post."its not that for every 20 yrs we raise our voice bow the seeds of hatred between two regions and when we get the limelight just keep quiet"

    I too pray for that. Telangana people do not want to be betrayed again by its politicians.We still see politicinas who shout Telangana and start blabbering about Telangana getting developed, after they got the ministry. The less we talk about politicians its better.

    It is not about the politcians. It is the people that want Telangana. TRS solely is not represnting Telangana. There are professors, doctors, lawyers, artists, people from every community are supporting Telangana.

    -Bix

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  15. In 1956 Telangana assembly unanimously passed a resolution endorsing unification with Andhra state resulting in formation of AP. Now you simply cant go back saying "popular opinion". Too much water has flown and the main issue is Hyderabad.

    Your argument that Hyderabad is geographically surrounded by T region is not only valid but also a fig leaf to cover your greed of capturing Hyderabad. Hyderabad will be administered through Air if it needs to be but it wont be surrendered to hateful T Separatist. Also your comments that you have no grudge against Andhras is very likely to be a bluff.

    One just has to look at the statements of the VERY top leaders of T movement to judge the hatred in this movement. KCR called ANdhraites as dongalu, banisalu, cunning and what not. The "intellectuals" are only worse.

    Whatever it is , it is not so easy to capture Hyderabad which is your main desire. Infact you know that T state formation is very easy if you give up claimn on Hyd. After all T without Hyd will still have 95% of geography and perhaps 95% of population but you still want Hyd.

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  16. *In 1956 Telangana assembly unanimously passed a resolution endorsing unification with Andhra state resulting in formation of AP. Now you simply cant go back saying "popular opinion". Too much water has flown and the main issue is Hyderabad.

    Hi Prasanthi,
    Im not sure if your comments are on the initial post by Sujai or to the end of the disucssion. Nevertheless, here is my take on it.

    The so called unification was an agreement of gentlemen. If you are not aware, there were strong protests against the unification. It was told that Telanagana can be formed as a new state, if the agreement does not work out.

    Here is a snippet from SRC report.

    "Andhra and Telangana have common interests and we hope these interests will tend to bring the people closer to each other. If, however, our hopes for the development of the environment and conditions congenial to the unification of the areas do not materialize and if public sentiment in Telangana crystallizes itself against the unification of the two states, Telangana will have to continue as a separate unit". (SRC Report: Para 388).

    I do not mean an offense. The detractors never cease to amaze, time and agian with some trivial reasoning.I could not help feeling the same with your statement ""Now you simply cant go back saying "popular opinion".". The issue in the first place is unification. If you say " You agreed then, now that is it. You can't go back", I doubt your understanding of the issue.

    The Telangana people had expressed their desire for a new state everytime this issue came into picture. You can not subjugate the feelings. If the demand is turned down now, it again will surface. If Telagana people feel unjust and if they want a new state, why cant they have it?

    *Your argument that Hyderabad is geographically surrounded by T region is not only valid but also a fig leaf to cover your greed of capturing Hyderabad. Hyderabad will be administered through Air if it needs to be but it wont be surrendered to hateful T Separatist. Also your comments that you have no grudge against Andhras is very likely to be a bluff.

    For God's sake it is not seperatism. You are showing just as much hatefullness by saying seperatism. It is not going to be a new country.It is a new state.You know what, some seperatists got divided from Madras and formed a state called Andhra. Is that what you think??

    "Hyderabad will be administered through Air if it needs to be but it wont be surrendered to hateful T Separatist"

    Look, who is greed. Hyderabad is an integral part of Telangana. It is the people residing in Hyderabad who would say whether they want to go with Telangana or Andhra. If the Telangana people had asked for Vizag, that would be greed.

    Bluff!!! What kind of proofs or testimonies are required to prove that I dont have grudge??? I have a rightful grudge against those Andhraites who think Telangana people are uncultured and their language is not Telugu and is low.

    *One just has to look at the statements of the VERY top leaders of T movement to judge the hatred in this movement. KCR called Andhraites as dongalu, banisalu, cunning and what not. The "intellectuals" are only worse.

    People are justified in feeling about, they not getting their fair share. If you supress people, hatred is bound to born. If the demand is turned down now also, it would make it worse. Im not supporting the hatred. We can divide peacefully. The Telangana movement is by the people.KCR is not Telangana. Most of the people do not approve of his comments. The same way some Andhra politicians said ' Telanagana people were uncultured and we taught them everything" "Hyderabadis used to get up at 9 in the morning, we came them and taught to wake up early".

    Could you support your statement "Intelectuals are worse"?

    **Whatever it is , it is not so easy to capture Hyderabad which is your main desire. Infact you know that T state formation is very easy if you give up claimn on Hyd. After all T without Hyd will still have 95% of geography and perhaps 95% of population but you still want Hyd.


    Capture!!!????The Telangnaites are invading their own land????

    Just on statistics part, the Hyderabad is estiamted to be of 5 million poulation, which is like 1/6 of Telangana. Culturally, geographically, historically Hyderabad has been part of Telanagana. Could you give some good reasons on why Hyd needs to be out of Telangana? How it looks to a Telanganian is "The only positive componenet from the entire unification is perhaps Hyd getting developed as a city and they want to strip us of it" . How it sounds if Telanganites asked Godavari districts to be part of Telangana because they were developed because of unification? This is negativism and sounds like "If at all we agree for the new state, we would not want you to leave you happy"

    -Bix

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  17. Perhaps history forgets itself. Fight for seperate Telangana is 50 year old. But fight for integrated Telugu Land is over 1000 year old ever since full fledged development of Telugu language. The fight now was always driven by under employed selfish Netas than people. People seem to only follow the path later. whether the intention is good or bad, when a Neta wants to achieve some thing, its much easier by creating differences. Thats what is happening now. Though I am not an experienced blogger, I have a blog on this.

    http://sarveshgaru.blogspot.com/

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  18. The comments about the future rulers of Telangana are meaningless. During the general elections of 2004 elections were completed peacefully in Telangana region. But there was lot of bloodshed during elections in other regions of AP. Even during the By elections of Karimnagar there was no voilence and abusive language. But in the case of By elections of Vijayanagaram there was more violence. A lot abuses were exchanged. Look at the voilent politicians of Vijayawada who try to kill each other. Hence you dont have to worry about the future leaders of Telangana state. At least elections are peaceful here.

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  19. Believe it or not, Telangana is beginning of end to India.

    Soviet Union Collapsed, what happened?
    Europe united what happened? 1Euro = 1.5 US$

    Let’s guess what happens after Telengana becomes a state.

    Naxlites become powerful.
    Hyderabad looses some of it charm.
    I don’t think a good chief minter comes and develop Telanagana.
    Rest of the Andhra becomes two states Rayalseema and Andhra
    People will suffer more under separate states because of Caste, Religion so on so forth…

    Don’t live in fantasy , Andhra, Telangan and Rayalseema will be doomed , eventually INDIA will be doomed. (As an Indian my heart broke , but is reality…)

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  20. great post
    hi prashanti mam
    where r u from is it andhra??
    u people move from one place to other for living and exploit locals
    i say some intresting points just look
    before 1956 nov1 u eyed chennai(madras) saying it is madras province
    i say some names in chennai
    mamblam, nungambakkam thambaram adam bakam..........where r our telugu names i mean vijayawada, some peta, some puram...all the bakkams where named 100 y back by tamilians as it was there city

    go to madras history u get that..

    when u people r getting divided on language''u want chennai'''bec u have devoloped chennai??????????hahahhaha
    big shit
    u eyed that city , made huge money.. and when madras got divided from andhra u made kurnool capital in 1953 and behaved as if u r making kurnool as newyork?? big joke of centuary
    but, after 3 years of formation u came to know ur ability hahahhaha
    then, u had one point in ur mind''telugu unity'''
    and four lungiwalas came to hyd in 2 cars...for capital
    as u thought hyd rocks for money
    what v see right now in and around hyd
    where were u mam when patabasti was formed.. i mean charminar in 1600
    where were u mam when koti was formed
    when nampally, sec railway station got operational
    where were u mam when vikranti, basabthi theates were operational
    i say u some facts
    u came to hyd, sec, gowliguda, begmpeta, yusufguda, ameerpeta, himayath nagar, amberpet, begumpeta............these names were before 100y kept by our ancestors,nizam rulers
    u were in bakams, and now above nagars, bads ........


    i mean to say ur thirst for money never ends...
    and if pak has good resources u r the first to flourish there and exploit them
    95% of people in hyd r anhras???
    know the facts
    as of now hyd population is 1,00,00,000 ghmc
    in that pure muslim(our brothers)
    population is 44.5 lacs
    v stay at 41 lac
    settlers r around 20 lac
    dont stay in kukatpally and think it is whole of hyd

    main point

    v have 28 states
    take maharastra
    a guy from nanded goes in search of livlihood to mumbai and can easily stay in any part of mumbai...
    what about u mam
    just think of places u can stay in hyd.....hahha
    thats it

    v eyed our city???
    even if u ask us to take guntur for free of cost v never agree
    v never depend on other for living

    v have strong traditional and cultural roots..not like letting sambar(tamilians) in our meal..

    last one:
    want to have hyd biryani than come to hyd
    want to have andhra meals then go to any place in the world(except andhra they dont say andhra melas there....!!!!!)
    have fun mam

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  21. hi
    sujai
    great brother
    great going brother
    i hade gone through ur posts
    u rock
    jai telangana
    jai jai telangana

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  22. hyd state wrote: u people move from one place to other for living and exploit locals

    Why is Sujai living in Bangalore now while he is from Telangana? Based on your logic one should not move from one place to other for work. Not sure which era do you live in. Within 100 years you would need to move to some other planet because of the destruction done on earth (global warming) - you would still keep fighting about Telangana.

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  23. hi bother the above one
    u just got stick to first 10 words in my sentence, u missed ''exploiting locals'' got that
    r u from hyd???
    better u come to hyd and just see
    i say u

    these people came in 2000, i mean to say they got that hyd is telugu people capital after 400 y of hyd formation

    after it got hitech city
    and good business

    where were they when people made it a metro in 1995

    one more thing they hate ''hindi speaking people'' is it fine to stay in india and hate hindi

    hyd was formed with the sweat of locals, gujjus, marathis and lot of north indian people

    better have a look in abids, patabasti, king koti .... and some part of sec
    where were they...that time
    they r busy in invading chennai
    in 2000 they came to know that hyd is there capital
    and exploiting in all awailabla means

    imp point
    ''have u ever gone through tollywood'''
    dominated by coastal andhra people
    u see all the heros form coastal andhra
    have u got that
    if they think tollywood started and devoloped by them.....

    the same thing applies to hyd
    v started and devoloped hyd so v dont want to be dominated
    yes, they started domination in every field
    got that point

    mere exploitaion.....

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  24. Hi hydstate,

    "u people move from one place to other for living and exploit locals i say some intresting points just look
    before 1956 nov1 u eyed chennai(madras) saying it is madras province
    i say some names in chennai mamblam, nungambakkam thambaram adam bakam..........where r our
    telugu names i mean vijayawada, some peta, some puram...all the bakkams where named 100 y back
    by tamilians as it was there city go to madras history u get that.. "


    I think u need some basic general and historic knowledge before saying or writting this ? U r
    talking about Madras history which u don't know anything.If u have gone thru it u never had
    commented saying "Andhra" guys eyed on Madras.Historically and geographically Madras belongs to andhra guys.

    In 1953, Telugu speakers of Madras Presidency wanted Madras as the capital of Andhra state
    including the famous slogan "Madras Manade" (Madras is ours) before Tirupati was included in AP.
    Madras at that time was an indivisible mixture of Tamil and Telugu cultures. It was difficult to determine
    who should possess it. Panagal Raja, Chief Minister of the Madras Presidency in the early 1920s said that
    the Cooum River should be kept as a boundary, giving the northern portion to the Andhras and the southern
    portion to the Tamils. In 1928, Sir C. Sankaran Nair sent a report to the Central Council discussing why Madras
    does not belong to the Tamils. But finally due to tamil power at central and state governemnt it was decided that
    Madras would remain in the Tamil region. According to the JPC report (Jawahar Lal Nehru, Bhogaraju Pattabhi Sitaramayya,
    C. Rajagopalachari)"Telugu people should leave Madras for Tamils if they want a new state".This way to get a new state they left
    Madras.


    "but, after 3 years of formation u came to know ur ability hahahhaha
    then, u had one point in ur mind''telugu unity'''and four lungiwalas came to hyd in 2 cars...for capital"


    You are a low-IQ person that I don't have words to say anything to u.It was not andhra guys who wanted
    the merger.It was u r communist guys who ruled u for 3 yrs who fought for u against Nizams wanted the merger.
    Yes we are talented and educated then u in 1956 itself.We had a bomming economy when we got merged.We wud
    have made Kurnool better than ur place.

    If u r so talented then why ur all regions are under developed ? Except hyderabad and sec'bad what happened
    to other distrticts of Telangana? Its Kasu Bramhananda reddy(from prakasam) who developed hyderabad,Its
    Chandrababu naidu(from kuppam-chittor) who developed hyderabad.Its not chenna reddy,nor anyother CM from
    Telangana region who developed.Whatever development happened is just because of andhra CM's.I accept Hyderabad state
    was rich than Andhra but not developed yaar.Before 1956 even people who are now in aurangabad and Bellary their
    ancestors also helped in constructing buildings and forts and after 1956 people from all parts of andhra developed
    hyderabd so how does it belong to only you? Having forts is what u mean by development? Are u sure that ur ancestors really
    constructed charminar fort ? 400 yrs backpeople don't know where we or our ancestor were and u claim monuments as ur's!!!
    You people want the real estate money around hyderabad.U are money thristy people.If not why don't u leave hyderabad the
    way andhra guys left "Madras".No u won't.

    If Landlock won't stop development then why u run for hyderabad.I don't want even hyderabad to go to andhra guys.

    as of now hyd population is 1,00,00,000 ghmc in that pure muslim(our brothers)population is 44.5 lacs

    U r such a shameless fellow u can accept a muslims as ur brothers.U fought against razakkars,the Nizam king made ur women to
    dance nude for batukamma,the hyderabdi nizam want to join in "Pakistan" and u people with out any shame say brothers to those guys
    because u know if u don't say brothers they won't support Hyderabad to be in Telangana.Shame on you.

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  25. kaka the above one,
    i asked u 'why there is not even a single telugu name in chennai'??
    have they canhged after it went to chenni/// answer this question to me
    i never ever saw a telugu name there
    got that....
    its merely exploiting tamilains
    it was under madras privice i agree
    but, where were u while constructing temples?? naming streets??

    i never saw ramalayam in chennai
    bec tamils feel ram is not prsent
    why cant u people dint have a ramalayam in ur so called madras provice capital///got that
    bit worried bec its tamil place
    but saying as madras province(saaku)u eyed that city??

    main point

    just go to chennai and places where madras was actually stated
    its triplicane,pariscorner in chenni..just near to marina beach just go there an enquire???
    got that.... u never see a telugu family leaving there for the past 100 y.....got that brother
    firsly tamilians started devoloping it?u eyed it
    want to hear from a tamil local
    better go to chennai and have fun....

    secondly u said ur so called landhra politicians devoloped hyd????
    hahahhahhahahahhahhaha
    brother im saying that point itself
    after madras u eyed hyd...
    bec, it is a vibrant city...
    hahhahhaha
    dont say after telangna is formed
    u merge with mumbai and say it was devoloped by u people..
    .
    u people have tendency to change places quickly....brothel mantalilty...have fun

    ok fine ask ur so called CBN to devolop vizag within 9 years and compete hyd..as he has devolped hyd...its just nothing to him..as u said
    or lasu reddy of kurnool to devolop
    rayalaseema and ask him to make that'rathanala sema'''hahahha
    u need time?? take other 500... years..meeku nethuru unte 1969 lo
    ralla tho kotte thariminapuddu
    malle raaru??? unda khaleza.

    u move from place to place for living and say u devoloped it...

    meeku khaleza unte 610 g.o. anne 15 y nunchi telangana lo settle ayena settlers ni vellagoduthunte(v kept north indians without disturbing them)appude seperate andhra agitation thesukavache vellale..reel life kadu brother ..ede real life.. thodagotte chupeyende...sollu gadeve..gajulu thodukone bathukura
    ..kahleza unte compete with hyd i give u 50 y..make ur city as hyd as it is now..

    brother u said'''y cant u devolop telnagana, i mean other dits''
    ahhahahhahahahhaa
    v r fighting for the same brother(seperate telanagna)think bro...before writing some shit..

    and even ''r ur cities are that devoloped??'' the y u people r every where....hahhahahha

    i heard that ur place r richest places in the universe?? is that true??hahhahahhahahahha

    i cant stop laughing bro...hahaha
    i never came to guntur..is that competing with sydeny?????hahhaha

    kaka ''think of girls from ur places who r everywhere''???
    hyd..chennai..bang..pune..mumbai redlight...think of them brother
    before wasting time...educate them brother....ur IQ doesnt work here..
    otherwise r u in this muta..hahhaha
    i mean batch of people who r doing this business...
    solu gadeve....gajulu thodukora...bathakaneke vache na koduka...

    thirdly: about nizams...

    brother ''firstly think of ur kamma...kapu..reddy..baju.. feelings brother...''

    have u ever gone through the posts
    of som emovie dicusions...in web or in real
    have fun there
    they go ""some caste jathi a...a n...de------""" got that
    is that fine
    firt think of ur problems brother..

    one more thing if it comes to telangna and hyd v and our brother(muslims) r one...let v have 1000 differences....

    what u said about nizam...
    i say u
    he is the one who have devolped hyd
    i repeat it....

    about razvi...
    he is fuckn ass hole..

    if a group of 1000 people did some disturbances at last it doent mean all their efforts r gone wrong???..

    and v(hindus and some part of muslims)supported hyd province to be with india...v won
    razvi..some goon was killed....
    that was history brother...

    i make u understabd in ur language...

    telugu movie: climax lo rowdy lekapothe bour kada brother..
    vade razvi...have u saw statues of razvi in telangana??? he was goon..
    got killed..hahhahha ardamyenda

    enkachepallante kammollade TDP party... if chiru enters politics..they dont want kapu caste to dominate...vallu denekayena siddapadutharu...
    mere future lo chustavu...

    then u cant compare kamma people to razvi...got that

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  26. enka mee prob mekku chepalane unde brother
    kane meeting time avuthunde

    i ask u one thing before ending
    ''y u people die for caste''???

    dont say v r united...hahah..bour koduthade aa answer este...
    reply me in next post//

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  27. hyd Dude, do people from hyd have three legs while from telangana 5?

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  28. Chicha (Hyd state),

    i never saw ramalayam in chennai bec tamils feel ram is not prsent why cant u people dint have a ramalayam in ur so called madras provice capital

    Is Rama devoted only by andhra guys? If u have a rama temple then its is andhra or else its not?Is this the criteria?
    Do u know what were the names of present streets in 1953 ? U don't know right ?R u 1930 born ? no rite? Tamilians don't
    give respect to our national language itself and u expect them to continue the same names after telugu people left madras.

    Madras Presidency included much of southern India, including the present-day Indian State of Tamil Nadu,
    the Malabar region of North Kerala, Lakshadweep Islands, the Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions of
    Andhra Pradesh, and the Bellary, Dakshina Kannada, and Udupi districts of Karnataka.Ganjam which is north part of
    then madras state has Oriya language.Do u expect tamil names in that part ? No rite? Even though madras belongs to
    Andhra region it is dominated by tamilians....so they have their names.If we go by ur logic then according to ur
    calculation in previous post Andhra guys( 95%)are in Hyderabad so why don't u give it to andhra guys ?Since andhra
    guys are more? Geographically Madras was in Andhra but for separate telugu state they left Madras,So will u leave hyderabad
    for Telangana? U won't ...

    If u think counstruction of temples and forts is the criteria to get it then none of us are eligible to geta state ?
    Warangal -1000 pillars temple was construted few centuries back at that time nor we have andhra nor telangana but
    all telangana guys feel as if they or their ancestors has consturted it.Pretty strange thing..

    take other 500... years..meeku nethuru unte 1969 lo ralla tho kotte thariminapuddumalle raaru??? unda khaleza.

    Orey yeri puk.... nee kalu mokuta banchand aani adukuteeney batuku needi neeku khaleza gurinchi matladey
    arhatey ledu.Meeru 1952-1956 lo moda gudustunapudu andhra vallu vachey mee office panulu chesindee.Meeku ABCD rani rojullu lo
    we are more advanced than u.We dont' have regional feeling its u and ur guys who do it.The GO(610) which u r talking about is
    given by NTR who hails from andhra.All ur CMs are bastards..they never did anything to ur place but u always cry on andhra guys because
    its u nature....No one can help u.

    think of girls from ur places who r everywhere''???hyd..chennai..bang..pune..mumbai redlight...

    How do u know only andhra girls are during skin trade everywhere ? R u a regular visitor to these places?
    I can show u 100 examples where Adilabad,Karimnagar girls got caught in mumbai police rides in redlight area which
    was shown in news? Are we commenting on that? Dont' talk nonsense ? Stick to the topic.....

    v r fighting for the same brother(seperate telangana)think bro...before writing some shit..

    U r fighting is not for telangana.U r fight is for hyderabad.U raised the topic that Andhra guys eyed on Madaras.It was ours !!(read my prev. post about madras manadee)
    We sacrificed for new state not like u idiots who keep quiet for 40 yrs and after the city got developed and real estate prices
    increased started asking the state capital.If u r fighting for telangana backwardness why do u want hyderabad ? All guys of 'T' says
    Telangana state with "Hyderabad" as capital.why ? why do u want a developed area to be capital again.keep warangal or karimnagar
    as ur capital so places around that will develop.why u think andhra people are crying for hyderabad I say u people r crying for hyderabad.
    See ur leaders like MSR,KCR,Uppunuthala puroshatam reddy they are not crying for Telangana they say "we sold our land 10-20 yrs back
    and now the rate has increased". Every telanganite has this feeling.Ur ancestors bowed the hatred seeds to ur parents and ur parents have
    done to u and now ur doing to ur kids.I can give u one example how badly u can think.I too have friends from Telangana.One of my ex-collegue
    who hails from karimnagar told me about this.she studied in a school which was estd. by a andhra guy 15-20 yrs back in Telangana region.
    The are so many guys who studied and are in good position today.After TRS said Jai Telangana people started
    asking that guy to close the school and pack his bags.Don't u have shame to do this.
    The school which has given u knowledge u r asking it to shut down just because the school is estd. by andhra guy.This is the level of thinking u have.


    one more thing if it comes to telangna and hyd v and our brother(muslims) r one...let v have 1000 differences....
    Such a shamless guys ur ....I repeat it.U can accept a muslim who is not even from India.Nizams history okkasari chaduvu.Whatever he did is only for muslims
    and not for hindus. Ask ur ancestors what was their position when nizam ruled the hyderabad state.The Nizam (as also his predecessors) have been criticised for
    largely ignoring the native languages of the land ruled by them, and according primacy to Urdu, a language popularly associated with Muslim culture in India,
    as well as a language of prestige.U r langauage culture everything was destroyed by them but u still like them.Mee budhey anta.Adukutiney batuku.
    Unless u say brother they won't support u for separate Telangana.
    What happened to ur brothers?They want hyderabad as separate state not to merge it in Telangana.Read the MIM statement properly.They are against Telangana.
    What happened to ur Unity ? why u became 2 when ur one....


    ..kahleza unte compete with hyd i give u 50 y..make ur city as hyd as it is now..

    Aha...we don't need 50 yrs for ur info.But hyderabad is not given to you u wil need those many yrs to develop so keep them with u.
    Even we are ready to get divided.We don't want to stay with telangana guys...who don't have brains..Everyone is idiot like u.If governemnt is not
    giving why u cry on us.If u have guts ask ur KCR who was barking and saying he will get Telangana
    in 3 months in 2004 and till now did nothing?? You have so much regional hatred that u became Blind.

    God bless you and ur telangana feeling.....

    "A hyderabadi--always a hyderabadi"

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  29. kaka

    bathakaneke vache em story cheputhunnavu ra
    uurlu uurlu therge batheke na kodaka

    the people who r from pure coastal andhra support seperate telangana

    not like u guys who came here(hyd, nzb, khammam) i got u
    u people(especially u) stay here
    born here
    brought up here
    used our telangana lands for all ur business
    but never support telangana

    i have good number of friends from vijayawada and guntur who just came around about 2 y back
    never care for telangana or hyd

    but bathakeneke 50 yendla kindda vachena nekku antha balpu endra..

    u said: 40 y tharuvatha jai telangana slogan vachenda...?

    kaka that one statement can say ur IQ
    what about 1969--when v thrown stones at u???
    want to repeat that..hahha
    wait brother
    have fun

    then y u people r dying for hyd??

    yes v die for hyd...
    its our land brother
    im not here for telangana devolopent
    but for hyd and let settlers be f..from hyd..khammam..nzb...
    i repeat that...
    f..from hyd..nzb..khamma..

    anthenduku brother hyd kavala..
    thesuko brother...
    biccham estam.....
    but never invade warangal after it got devoloped..hahhaha

    think brother maharastra has mumbai..pune
    karnataka has bang..mysore
    tamil nadu chennai ..coimbatore..
    the above three states surrond AP

    what about ap??
    after hyd???
    is it longole.....
    hahahhahaha
    tamil nadu has 6.5 crore population
    but they have two economic cities

    v are at 9 crores..then where our second city stands
    have a look at cities list...

    bec, u move from one place to other for living
    even if i give u other 100y ..no use..hahahhahah brother
    have fun
    just pack ur luggage and be ready..
    to invade other place
    is it mumbai this time????
    hahhahahhaha

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  30. u think u people r most intellegent people in world??

    bukka fakeer na kodukulara
    degree complete cheste mee urlalo oka 5000 rs udyogam dorakatle..

    better come to ameerpet and see
    hhaa
    u find all landhra guys
    labour na kodukullara

    i said many times ''there makki....''to u people but
    he pretends as he is busy and leaves the place..without noticing

    hhahaha
    u want it to happen for evry generation then thats fine

    i say it to my son..

    no worries brother ..have fun

    even if telangana is not formed
    not a big deal
    v start it after 30 y
    and we maku fun....basically my son will do that....

    our slogan
    go hard on andhra guys..
    and make sure they suffer mentallyy..
    whether to leave or not...hahahhaha

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  31. kaka that one statement can say ur IQ what about 1969--when v thrown stones at u???40 y tharuvatha jai telangana slogan vachenda...?

    Its waste to discuss with you.I never said "40 y tharuvatha jai telangana slogan vachenda..?" .Nenu anadi 40 yrs tarvat capital baga develop ayaka meeku telangana
    gurtuvachinda aani.Read my post again.After 1969 u remebered it only now because of hyderabad real estate prices shooted up.I think u don't
    understand or read the answers properly.AP was formed 52 yrs back.If I said 40 yrs then its means after 1969.Edi ardam kani nuvvu kuda answer evadamey.

    think brother maharastra has mumbai..pune ,karnataka has bang..mysore,tamil nadu chennai ..coimbatore..the above three states surrond AP

    Thats what I am telling .Why do u want hyderabad? Leave hyderabd and develop other parts.Neeku samdanam evadam radu,echina answers ardam kuda kavu.
    See the first answer given by me.I said I don't want hyderad to be with "Andhra".

    Nuvvu bicham vesetanta scene neeku ledu.Nee amma/abba jagir kadu eedi. I don't know what u people want first.One day u say we don't have grudge against andhrites
    "Potta chettha patukuni vachina valani memu yemi anamu aani".Next day u say "Go back andhrites". Andhra people settled in hyderabad because its our state capital.
    I agree we even went to mumbai,pune,bangalore but its just job purpose.U need to understand this.According to u only andhra guys keep moving.What about
    karimnagar,adilabad,nizamabad guys?What about the author of this BLOG.He is from Telangana went to US and now settled in Bangalore.If tamils and kannadigas
    are fighting Sujai won't get involed; its not only sujai no telugu guy will be in picture.Even they are settlers they are in minority.U think hyd was
    formed with the sweat of locals, gujjus, marathis and lot of north indian people.U prove to be ididot and remain idiot.

    You can accept all people from other parts of the country but not ur own telugu guy.Gujjus came to do business here,Marwadis are doing business here.They have lot of lands here.
    Muslims who screwed ur language and culture can be acceptable but not telugu guy.U only cry for Andhra guys.Meeru mararu mee batukey anta.What do they know about andhra and
    telangana.U want their support to have hyderabad with Telangana andukay valla dee kindapaina naku tunavu.
    If u get warangal as ur state capital one thing I can promise u that we from hyderabd will never come to warangal.Enjoy with ur place,env., girls etc etc.

    bukka fakeer na kodukulara..degree complete cheste mee urlalo oka 5000 rs udyogam dorakatle..

    Tell me one place in ur districts which is giving job oppurtunities..If u r districts are so good then why u people shout and cry that our people go to gulf for jobs ?
    we don't have jobs etc etc.The example u gave show that people are coming to hyderbad for jobs.So this is the only place we are having better jobs.
    Why andhrites came to hyderabad?Because they don't have jobs there(even u agreed) for this.If you stop saying "Andhrites Go back". Lets get divided
    without any grudges but u never do that.

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  32. namaste anna the above one,

    u never got my point brother

    i say andhrities i mean u people
    exploit locals
    just stick to that point
    u want to have ur own identity and behave as if u have devoloped that place..i agree u people will contribute a little and expect a bit more..
    got that
    even right from my childhood in hyd i had too many friends from all parts of india and even now..

    but
    when ever i speak to north indian i feel very comfortable..bec they love hyd and our culture a lot

    i see lot of north indian mams who carry bonalu in sec but never evr saw a andhra mam there..yyy

    even holi festival is from north india but v have inherited it..

    v have good rapo with all people expect u guys
    bec.. i swear v think u as dongalu..
    i say u
    if there is no prob then y there is such a cry on 610g.0.

    u people got the jobs in illegal way ..i place a word for u as illegal immigrants..u take away the local govt jobs..i repeat local govt jobs...there r around about 18% people holding our jobs illegally..by fake certificate u r used to it..

    is that fine???just answar this
    i can say that when there r 18 people out 100 who r illegal then u know locals has to suffer...
    is that right???

    ok i say u a stat..

    1962..ther was a small momentum about providing jobs to the non locals in hyd...

    1969-ferocious movemnt 384people dead
    bigger than a frensh revolution..

    say some 1984..NTR passed 610 g.0

    2001..K.C.R just swept the polls in some local mptcs within 7 days of party formation..they won 1/3 of total seats..

    2008..still seperate telangana movement is alive....

    what might be the reason brother???

    there should be a reason...
    it is not just the case of grudge or jealoue..or hyd real estae..

    there was no good real estate business in 1969..was it right??

    even u said after 40 y..u got this jai telangana??

    i ask u is it fine to fu.. u people all the time
    which we r doing for past 7 years
    i mean u want it from 1969 to 2008
    i mean for every now and then u want this movement to be live???

    i take ur reply in a positive way and make sure this movement will continue until seperate state is formed or get this so called ilegal immigrants out of telangana....it will be forever...

    better have luggage packed brother and have fun in ur new andhra state
    i swear capital will be longole...hahhahaa

    about sujai..v people never exploit locals..he is in banglore..he wil be fine

    kannadigas never had a prob with our people
    but, they have prob with ur so called ancestors tamil thambis..
    hahhaha
    i swear if they came to know that andhras r madrasis then u have to pack ur luggage from banglore and head for some other destination brother...

    better take the indian map and see the places u left without invading

    prob some part of north india
    head for them and have fun...
    start ur so called andhra tea and andhra messes hhahahahhaha

    u show ur identity to them...hahha

    i want a quick reply from u

    i feel sorry as ballaya is entering into politics with chiru
    hope see some street fights in mere future in ur andhra..love that game...

    jai telangana
    jai jai telangana
    jai k.c.r
    jai madhu yashki

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  33. v have good rapo with all people expect u guys bec.. i swear v think u as dongalu..
    This is the mindset of urs.From ur childhood u were taught that people from andhra guys have stolen our jobs,stolen our resources. Its ur ancestor mistake for doing that.If they have stolen it why they will leave the more developed place and come here?

    Why u stopped ur separate movement after 1969? Who are the people resposible to supress it ? Chenna reddy raised the slogan andhrites go back then why he did not stick to it?Because he just want to get focused when he got ministry he stopped.Indira gandhi gave 6-point formula in 1969 where she made hyderabad a free zone ask ur Prof. jay shankar he will let u know.From 1970-1982 all Telanagna CM's ruled AP then why they did not implement GO-36.The persons who talked about "TELANGANA" just disappered after that movement.I don't want people to use telangna movement selfishness..as ur doing now.People after 1969 Telangana movement -and 1972 Jai andhra movement just stopped everything and were leaving peacefully then why all this now? Just start talking to some guy now the first question is "where ru from"?

    Where was KCR,Madhuyashki,MSR,Kaka etc etc.. after 1969? All are using telangana for their selfishness.

    Even I have friends from all parts of the state/country.If some Northies come to ur Bonnallu and andhra guys don't come there is nothing wrong in it.Its all ur perception.Its people interest to come and join or not.Did andhra guys asked u stop Bonallu?Did they asked u to stop Holi?No rite? No one did it.Everyone whether its T guys,A guys Rayalseema guys or anyone staying in Hyderabad plays holi.Its their interest.

    The whole cry around GO 610 is only for Zone-6 which is hyderabad.All my post say Leave hyderabd whether its Telangana or Andhra get separated and develop ur own places why don't u agree for that?
    Why are u always revolving around the same topic "Hyderabad".I made it clear don't give hyderabad to Andhra also.

    better take the indian map and see the places u left without invading
    Its better if u know the meaning of Invading,Exploiting..
    Mughals invaded india,Nizams exploited u people.I think u don't get updated with current affairs? When GULF govt. asked illegal immigrants how many guys from Telangana were present in that .Just check it and come back to me.How many 'T' guys are present in Maharastra just check out.
    If we go by ur logic we justinvade only few kms u will even cross the international boundaries. :):):)

    kannadigas never had a prob with our people but, they have prob with ur so called ancestors tamil
    Now how can u say OUR people.ur people never invade rite?Kannadigas don't have problem with Telugu guys.

    How can u say "Sujai" is not exploiting ? Sujai went to US he exploited the locals there because he worked there.one sujai =one US Local job.Means One US Localite guy has lost his job. Mee vallu chestey correct ekada andhra vallu chestey tappu antey kadu anna.

    Now in bangalore he started company why can't he do it in Telangana for Telanagna guys?

    U answer this question.I will answer u somemore also. :D:D


    Note:Sorry Sujai I am not saying u did anything wrong .I took ur name just to give him example because we both know u(atleast by this BLOG).

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  34. One more thing I forgot to add.Kannadigas are our friends not Telangana guys because we all were in Madras povince.They know us first.Check the history.

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  35. hi brother

    still u talk like a child
    jast say me y should v leave hyd as a union territory
    it is our motherland brother..
    got that
    it is in the middle of telangana
    it was capital for last say 400 y
    v cant leave that just because u people r here for the past 15y..

    ok fine i say u..

    u people r totally money minded and business i am saying this from 1 post

    just say me y u people left madras for tamilians??
    y there is such a cry now

    as u said it was dominated by tamilinas and politics at the centre that made chennai for tamil nadu

    the same rule apply here
    even madras was capital for madras provice for the past 300y or so
    u have every right on madras but ur fate was so bad that u have to leave it...

    comming to hyd ..hyd was formed 400 y back
    in 1956 nov 1 AP was formed
    u had hardly 50y of hyd in your pocket
    v have in total say some 408 y
    got that

    and even our grand father never saw a andhra guy until say 1990
    in hyd
    they hardly saw one..

    hyd was made metro arund 1994..

    our tollywood got started the same year..

    by the population in hyd ..
    u hardly were around 15 y from hyd
    this is called eyeing....

    not even say 2% of total y of hyd formed..u were in the city.
    u cant just cry to make hyd as union territory..

    as our k.c.r said if other people want to make telangana sans hyd then u see blood shed flowing in krishna and godavari...i mean it
    even im ready to lend my life for the cause

    r u ready to die for hyd making it as a union territory..???

    it sucks brother..u people dont know the actual love towards a region or city..
    u r money minded..
    just love ur so called longle and after say 400 y if someone wants to create disturbance then u can get that..until then i cant say u anything..
    i repeat if someone is trying to make hyd as union territory then there will be no water..no roads ..no tracks running through telangana
    into hyd..let me myself die without water..but no regrets
    im an hydi from musheerabad but never want to see myself away from telangana
    ..
    comming to sujai

    this telangana rift started from our govt posts brother,,all that 610 g.o....
    u have illegally taken our posts by fake certificates..our water..
    ......so on
    sujai never got a job illegally in US..he had all the papers with him..and got a job there
    got that

    coming to u
    when r u packing ur lugguage..?hahhaha
    sorry bro
    jai telangana
    jai k.c.r

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  36. Guys guys.. just slow down… I am from Andhra and I have no doubt that some parts of Telangana is underdeveloped and I am also sure that it is not because of Costal Andhra people.

    There are so many reasons that telangana (Except Andhra) did not develop, mainly because of education , Village Surpanch system (NTR demolished the system) and lack of irrigation projects, corruption (it is all over India)

    Telangana people have every right to form their own state. By having separate telangana state will solve all the problems for telangana people. I doubt it. Small states more corruption, lack of accountability.

    By this blog comments the coming Telanga state will not be stoped or it will be created. What ever we write hear is just vent out our anger.

    After giving big lecture, I think separatist movements are main reason to split the countries. We are all Indians , by having this much bitterness in each other , it will lead the India to split into 40 different states.

    So we all will be happy having our own countries and we will have VISA to travel other countries or we will buy F-15 to bomb each other . Telangana F-15 will bomb Vijag and Andhra F-15 will bomb Charminar , Telangana Cricket team beat Andhra cricket team . How it sounds….

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  37. Babu Hyd state,

    Do you really understand the answers or ur simpling typing what ever comes to ur mind.Don't behave like TRS leaders.
    Show some dignity.If u read both our posts u will know who is behaving like kid.

    jast say me y should v leave hyd as a union territory it is our motherland brother..

    You r contradictiong ur own statements.In one of u r answers u said "show me one place which is
    developed as good as Hyderabad". For that I told u thats why leave hyderabad take Telangana and
    make karimnagar or warangal as u r state capital.So that u can develop ur own places.I even said don't give
    Hyderabad to Andhra also.I made it clear those who are talking about telangana now is just because of hyderabad.
    Why u want a developed place? How will hyderabad capital can develop/clear u r backwardness when New state is
    formed when it is not doing now.U want telangna because it is less developed. Right ?

    If hyderabad is made capital u will again develop the same place because it remains as
    the state capital.What is the use if u go on developing the developed area.
    U need to concentrate more on less developed areas.My menaing of leave hyderabad is not asking
    telangana/Andhra/Rayalseema/North Indians guys staying here to leave hyderabad.
    Who all are staying here will stay here.No statements like "Telanganites Go back","Andhrites Go back",
    "Nothies Go back". Get divided without hatred.U r just having excessive regionalism.

    u people r totally money minded and business i am saying this from 1 post

    Again wrong thinking.Do u think Gujju's,Marwadis came here to have brotherlihood with u? They came for
    business purpose and settled here.Walla ne matram nee brothers ga chustavu
    nee pakka telugu vadu matram mee vadu kadu ..yemi thinking anna ..Hats off!!!

    as u said it was dominated by tamilinas and politics at the centre that made chennai for tamil nadu
    the same rule apply here even madras was capital for madras provice for the past 300y or so
    u have every right on madras but ur fate was so bad that u have to leave it...


    Aadi bad luck kadu we left madras to have our own state.Acc. to u r logic (Hyderabad
    with Telangana 500yrs) Madras was in Andhra geogaphically for so many yrs.Since we want a new state
    even though it belongs to us we left.Now If u apply the same logic here even though geographically hyderabad is
    in Telangana for new state(for ur self pride,identity) u can leave hyderbad!!! right?

    and even our grand father never saw a andhra guy until say 1990 in hyd they hardly saw one..

    U r grand father is so young ? Say hi to me :D Ok just kidding... if u have seen only 1-2 andhra guy in hyderabad
    in 1990 then why u gave GO 610 in 1984 ?? You mean 1-2 guys have stolen u rjob? if only this much got stolen
    its ok right ? Ask ur leaders to cancel the GO 610.

    ..our water..
    Did godavari born in ur area? How can u claim its urs? Ok lets think its urs.Ok granted.Let em ask u one question
    which I asked u previously also..."Why andhrites are coming to hyderabad by leaving all their well developed region?"
    You never answered this.Can u please answer this?

    I gave example of Sujai to tell u that even telangana people move from place to place to get jobs.I never said
    he is a illegal immigrant.Mee vallu job kosam inko desam ki vellitey tapu kadu maa vallu koni kms. daati vastey
    illegal.Ok let me tell few more things.Leave sujai.They are so many guys who go to US for MS.They will not complete
    MS.they will continue to hold 1-2 subject untill they get a job on H1.US govt. has given u a chance only to study.
    MS can be completed in 2 yrs but people don't do it...Don't u think that illegal?? Next after they get H1 they are
    just supposed to work there.after few yrs they will aplly for Green card ? why they do that?Yevariki yekada
    nachitey akkada settle avalani chustaru.Telangna vadu okkadu kuda US lo leda vallu ella cheyaleda?
    Okka sari allochinchu.If you don't have any examples come to me I will show u 50 people who r my friends and
    staying in US and all are telangana guys.Nenu andhra vallu cheyatledu annataledu.Everyone is doing that.When
    you do it its correct when andhra guys do it its invading,exploiting.Words bagunayee kada aani vadodu.

    Your post show ur really very immatured guy.You are carried away by some speeches of TRS.Dont' tell me filmy
    dialogues "Nenu hyderbad kosam chavadaniki ready","Raktam dara posta".....evani sodi matallu.Yevaru yemi cheyaru.
    Excessive regionalism has made u blind just come out of that.The days are gone when people are struggling for jobs
    in both the areas.They are moving from place to place for their livelihood.If farmers are stuggling for water try
    to show ur heroism and sacrifice ur life in constructing dams.Fight for their development.

    Did I say u shud not be given "Telangana" ? Naku hyderabad estam.I don't want to be with andhra /telangana.
    When I say u shud be granted Telangana then u shud also accept I shud get Hyderabad ? When we respect ur
    feeling why can't u?

    May be this will be my last answer because I don't want to explain the same thing to u again and again.

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  38. hi brother some anony...
    heloooooooooooooo one sec....
    what r u upto!!!!!!!!!!

    u ask ur son to stay in mumabai for some years and ask him to say''i love mumbai' and start seperate mumbai movement...
    and want to sepearte mumabi from its motherland..maharastra

    u people r here to destroy whole india brother...

    u said leave hyd(as it devoloped) and devolop karimnagar?

    v have devoloped hyd brother....
    v say except hyd in telangana nothing is devoloped???

    so want a sepearte state with hyd as a capital which can fetch capital for devoloping other region..

    dont say me u have devoloped kukatpally..hahaha
    and want hyd to be union territiry
    bec of kukatpally...?

    is that fine///

    anthenduku kaka telangana vachenatharuvatha meeru ''i love hyd'' anne pachabottu vesukone theregena evadu kanadu..

    andhrodu is andhrodu is andhrodu
    is donga forever....

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  39. Hi,

    I controlled myself by not answering you but u always prove ur self to be educated "idiot". Hyderabad is a State capital now.
    All our investement are happening here only.Your own people say "what profit did Telangana guys get because of Fab city,ORR etc etc..."
    When investement in hyderbad is not helping ur own telanagana what favour it will do for Andhra guys?

    so want a sepearte state with hyd as a capital which can fetch capital for devoloping other region

    U say except hyderabad nothing is developed in Telangana.Now when from 50 yrs being a capital of state -hyderabad is not favouring telanagana
    region what great favour it will do by again being a state capital of Telangana. I know ur answer will be "Andhra Politics" did not made us to do so.
    This a very stupid and vague answer.Mee Telangana nayakullu anta pichollu kadu anta chetta kani vallu kadu.When they can revolt against
    kasu brahmananda reddy in 1969 and say "Jai Telangana" they can even develop ur area!!! Kaka has all his business in Maharastra.He came
    to know about Telangana backwardness only now? If u make karimnangar or warangal as state capital u will have investments,and areas around
    it will get developed.U r so called "great" Telangana leaders say "even without Hyderabad" Telangana districts revenue is very much high.We nee
    to observe few thigns here -If without hyderabad "Telangana districts" are having very good revenue then where is the money going?
    When u can sustain without Hyderabad why u drag the issue for so many yrs?Why can't u leave Hyd as UT. With so much revenue how
    Telangana is counted as backward area? If you say Andhra guys have stolen ur money to develop their are region show
    me the proof-I mean do u have any huge industries in Andhra,any major dams? no rite..Except greenary what else they have ? You
    never answered my question "If they have stolen ur resources and developed their region why they leave a more developed area
    and come to less developed one" ?



    u ask ur son to stay in mumabai for some years and ask him to say''i love mumbai' and start seperate mumbai movement...

    :) If a Indian born in America can become american citizen why can't a Indian born in Hyderabad become hyderabadi.I am born and bought up in hyderabad.
    I am here from past 40 yrs.I have every right to ask for separate Hyderabad.Its my wish.KCR ancestors are from vijayanagaram.
    How can he claim himself to be a telanganite?? Because his birth place is in telangana.Do u think u people are more than "Constitution of India"
    -which says "An Indian can settle anywhere in India". If u think u all (Telanganites) are more than "constitution of India,Supreme court of India",
    than better ask for separate Nation.

    Arai rules aney vee yevarikaina okkatey.Meeku nachinavadiki ayitey okkati pakodukaitey verey undavu....No andhrite has taken any morcha saying We want separate "Hyderabad".
    Telangana nee support cheyani prati vadu andhra vadu kadu....Hyderabad nee adugutunavadu andhra vadey kaanakhar ledu.The way ur saying "Andhrite Go back"
    just start saying Non -Telanganites go back.. or Non-Telanganites leave Hyderabad and Let me see how many Gujjus,Marathis,North Indians
    will suppport the so called Telangana movement.

    I repeat If u want to get divided lets do it without any regional hatred.Why ur doing that ?Why u say "andhrodu is andhrodu is andhrodu is donga forever.......".
    Telangana vallu anta bura takuva vallu antey oppukunatva? Only because of people like u India is facing Excessive Regionalism.Its not we who are breaking India
    Its u people for urself egoes and selfishness are doing that.

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  40. stick to the topic anna

    i said y r u trying to seperate hyd from its mother land (telangana)

    v love northies than u brother
    they never had a problem with us

    v had 610 g.o problem, water peoblem,
    hitech city rangane u try to supress local business

    if there r two hotels then u open a andhra mess then what about the owners who r here for past x years

    irani chai-andhra tea is that fine to show reginolism...i never hearsd a andhra tea in andhra
    they say tea there what is andhra tea in hyd

    what about small shopping centres in and around hyd
    what is that RS brothers ..xyz brothers
    and trying to conquer local business who r here for past 100 y

    u never change brother

    u r here to do business and earn money...hahahha pakka 420 brother meeru.....

    u might be rich brother but what about people from ur ares who r below the poverty line...should they face the problem of comming to hyd in search of livlihood..i mean language....distance...y cant u people help them in getting livlihood in ur areas..

    will seperate hyd will solve the prob???

    in what way seperate hyd will solve the prob of present situation??
    dont say i love hyd...bored

    i stay in mumbai for few years and say i love mumbai and want a seperate state....aganist the wishes of local mumbaikars...

    even im paka hydi..i want it to be with telangana
    maa area ra bhai...dengai...seperate ..geperate ante petrol pose thagalpedutha...
    putta gathullekunta chestam

    40 y unnaye siggu ledara...andhra puku lo sulli...lamdikodaka..nuvvu kammodevera i knew from first post..broker jaathi puku lo sulli..

    afganistan devolop ayendanta dengayendri...ucha popistam seperate hyd ante

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  41. sorry brother

    lost control
    but i say u...

    i say u one thing ''meeru chathagane daddamalu''

    u need ready made cites..ready made money...

    u said 'y our people r comming from more devolopped to less devoloped''??i mean andhra to telangana

    i say u nzb,khammam has some fruitul lands.u came and conqured..ready made

    hyd got good businnes ..u came and cnquered..ready made..

    u never understand brother..u r sick...
    u people r money ridden people brother
    even if someone ask u to sell vijayawada u do that..u dont have any sentiments..money..money..moneyy just like dongalu..hahahhha

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  42. Hi

    U r the one who is not sticking to topic.My first to last post has the same content.Lets get divided without hatred.
    If u start regional feeling then I want my own hyderabad.I never deviated from topic.

    Hyderabad bicham vestam.......Warangal develop ayaka don't come to warangal......except hyderabad AP don't
    have anyother developed city...............

    The above are ur statements.Telangana was part of Hyderabad state why did u allowed it to get divided with its
    motherland.Why u divided in 3 parts?
    v love northies than u brother they never had a problem with us
    Start saying Non-Telanganites leave hyderabad then let me see to hom much unity u will have
    with ur North brothers.U r absolutely missing the logic here.U have filled so much hatred that u can't see
    anything else except saying we don't love andhrites....

    v had 610 g.o problem, water peoblem,hitech city rangane u try to supress local business
    Who gave 610 GO ? And why r u crying for that when u haven't seen a Andhra guy till 1990(read ur previous post).
    If u get Telangana what the need of 610 GO? Who brought Hi-Tec city ? If Chandrababu naidu has local feeling
    he wud have tried to developed chittor why he developed hyderbad? If IT is in hyderabad its just b'coz of CBN.
    Can u tell me from which place he hails? All the major public sector companies estd. in hyderabad are during
    KasuBramananda reddy period.. From which place he hails ?

    Water Problem
    Which dam in telangana gives water to Andhra ?Can u show me example.You don't know how to discuss
    in public forum.Keyboard undi kada aani type cheyaku.Give me one example.What ever I am saying I am
    giving a example.U r just saying whatever u feel.

    See the examples ur giving.Can u show me where u saw Andhra Tea :) :) :) I heard about Andhra mess.
    J.C.Brothers was a samll shop called "jeans corner" in kacheguda.With his struggle he came to that level.
    Do u want people to stay in the same position what they are ? You don't want them to improve their standard of living?
    Neekukasta padadam radu kasta padey vadinee chusi yedustavu.Yem thinking anna.

    what about small shopping centres in and around hyd
    what is that RS brothers ..xyz brothers and trying to conquer local business who r here for past 100 y


    Who conquered boss.OLD city has his own business,Koti has its own.People started distrubuted all over the city.
    U can't expect a guy staying in chotuppal/Hayatnagar to come and shop in kukatpally or secbad.They see the nearest point.
    Previous it was koti.Now dilsukhnagar.I think u have very little knowledge of things.
    In 1991 if PV narsimha rao wud have not taken the path of Globalisation and Privatisation what wud have happenend to India ?
    If he thinks shopkeepers and business people will loose so I won't go for privatisation then U can't even guess what
    wud be current position of India. According to u Industrial Revolution is conquering because many people lost thier jobs because of machines.
    U don't know the difference between competition and conquer.
    Goto abids and start checking who is the owner of all that big malls. Maximum people are Muslims.

    will seperate hyd will solve the prob???

    Separation will not solve any problem.Today ur KCR came and said lets get divided. Lets do it.
    Tomorrow someone else can come and say lets have Adilabad as a state (No one can predict future it may happen)
    since hyderabad remains same distance from Adilabad whether 'T' if formed or not.Because u want hyderabad as state capital for 'T' state..
    again u all will do dharna,bandh,morch all nonsense stuff in hyderabad.Why shud we bare all this?The tax paid by us shud be used for us.
    The revenue we are generating shud be used for us.The way u said -Telangana money shud be used for telangana,andhra money for andhra
    Hyderabad money only for hyderabad.whats wrong ?If hyderabad was not a UT prev. it will be..Telangana kuda state kadu meeru adgataleda?

    Don't use sentiment dialogues-"Dont' separate from motherland..." I can show u 100 examples where places gets divided..Jharkand was never a state
    it was carved from Bihar(Motherland),Uttaranchal from UP(motherland) so on the list goes..

    I still repeat i don't want to get separetd but if Central govt. say get separated we will fight for Hyderabad as UT.I am not here to increase
    the regional feelings I am repeatedly asking u to stop the statements which increase regional feeligns but ur not doing that.And there is always a chance
    that u will do it when 'T' is formed.When u can't change this small thing in U what gurantee is there that u won't ask for further division of the other things..
    So I don't want to stay with Telangana and want Hyderabad as UT.

    Man thats it I can't explain u anymore.This is my last answer for sure.

    Regards

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  43. hi

    dont show ur andhra intellegence here

    maku kastapadatam rada??
    mare meeku dongatanam vacha...

    just say why there is 610 g.o. issued
    just answer that question

    from 2001 to 2005 there r 1938 non locals got into our job illegally

    is that fine????

    then what about the 1938 locals who lost there govt jobs all these years...

    2 question?

    i stay in ur andhra(as im an indian) for some tine and raise a slogan to divide it from india(mother land) is that fine???

    3 question?

    y u people r so much dependent on other areas?

    say tamil nadu...telangana state, karnataka for ur business...

    4 hitech city was devolopped by cbn? hahahhahah big joke of the year..he was CM brother its his responsibility...is that fine to get IBM for pune and not for hyd??
    hahaha brother ur answera r kidding

    ask ur CBN to get ibm for chitoor for next 10 y???can he do that
    just answr...brother hyd is a metro i mean vibrant city before 1956 it was in the same position say 5 place...now its position is 5 in india...dont say after u move ur business to mumbai...that mumbai was devoloped some lkcbn?
    dont say y did t.anjiah(telangana cm) dint got ibm in 1980?hhahhaa

    5)u said hyd should be UT..UR TAXES AND ALL THAT SHIT..

    answer: hyd will never be a union territory...if u dont want to pay taxes to telanagna state be raedy t move to ur new capital longole(hahah world famous) other wise just say u people address v make arrangements to leave...

    all the best for ur seperate hyd movement...

    5)u said in one post u have lot of regianalism india is suffering??
    then what about castism in ur landhra??just answer this...

    6)what else can v do to fuck u from telangnaa? as we r doing it from 40 y..want us to hit u when v came across...dont say me im indian..

    acoording to constitution every one has right to act if they feel insecure...v felt that from u..as v r locals..not brothels who move places.....

    once again all the best for hyd movement...v check that when v see sme people on roads protesting..for hyd UT..

    BEST OPTION ASK UR SO CALLED SETTLERS TO RAISE THIS AND PROTEST IN HYD...THEN U CAN SEE THE REACTIONS....I SWEAR THAT WILL BE THE LAST DAYS FOR UR PEOPLE HERE
    ..NUKALU CHELEPOTHAYE...

    THIS IS NOT MY WORD BUT A WORD OF SAY 100 PURE HYDIS WHOM I KNOW...NEAR MY HOUSE..V KILL U...

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  44. Hi Anonymous and Hyd state,

    Great discussion going b/w u too.As the other "anonymous"(the one who said guys slow down) said Telangana state will not form or formation of state will not stop because of this discussion.Even I vote for that.

    But the BLOG shows the real level of indecency thru "Hyd state".See the words he is using.Mind ur words "Mr.Hyd state".Don't think u and ur friends are the only powerful guys.Time will solve the issue.Have patience.If u don't have patience then atleast don't use the words ur using.Don't give "Generic" statements.

    ~Venu

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  45. hi brother
    the above one

    i am fine
    but ''is it fine to make hyd as union territory''?
    just say me that
    i withdraw my comments

    the above guy dont want to be associated with telangana and our people, but want to stay in hyd!!! for his survival....

    he was harsh
    im fine

    thanx
    bye

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  46. but ''is it fine to make hyd as union territory''?

    This is where ur showing immaturtiy.That is his own feeling. Seeing his comment u started saying Anhdra people are dongallu,brothels...Its absolutely wrong my dear friend.

    1) As in my previous post the other anonymous I mentioned was from Andhra.You urself in some post mentioned ur friend from andhra don't care about Hyderabad then how all andhra guys became dongallu etc etc..

    2) If u read the BLOG carefully Sujai the one who wrote this BLOg says "No animosity towards Andhra guys"..to one of the answers he says "if people of hyderabad want separate state they shud be given if they have a valid reason".

    You say "Great sujai" when he wrote about Telangana -separate state".You say go ahead and we will join ur morcha but when he says "Hyderabad can be given as stae" you miss that line.Is it accidental or u do it purpose fully I don't know.

    If we say smaller state concept is good lets get divided whats wrong in it.Whether its Telangana,Andhra,Rayalseema or Hyderabad as UT. I don't find any mistake if people ask for Hyderabad as UT.

    As said they are so many eg. where
    Motherland has been divided.See India and Pakistan.We don't have to consider all this.
    If we stick to one concept(smaller states)lets follow it thru out India.

    ~Venu

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  47. hi venu
    sensible post

    but i never agree to make hyd as a union territory

    before 1956 it was capital for hyd province

    i hate andhras
    y?
    1) have u ever spoken to a khammam settler....he says khammam was devoloped by them
    is it fine to make these people come and aquire huge lands (united AP no land locking system...) just for their survival and think that way
    my brother in law stays in US he never says that US was devoloped by immigrants...
    he goes best place to leave on earth..

    but these guys kid us from behind
    i swear i was with many andhra people in telangana area...say khammam..hyd..warangal..i mean my education..job soon..

    they come here for survival and think as if they are the owners of these area

    one more thing brother
    even gujjus sindhs marwaris are in huge number in hyd but they never kid us
    these guys do

    they do showoff

    if telanganais not seperated now
    then one day....say 50 y from now u miss ur identity..

    if ur a telanganite then support telangana state..or else upto u

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  48. Hi Hyd State,

    U have so much hatred that u are not able to observe few things and purely missing the logic.U r identity is not lost
    anywhere.Y u think in such a way ? Bonallu is celebrated in whole Telangana region.Did anyone stopped it.No one has
    guts to do it.Neither me /nor u.And I will also join to kick the one who say "STOP IT". U r accent remained same in all the
    Telangana regions? Did it got changed. Since hyderabd became a cosmopolitan city people with different accent are
    staying here. Neither ur food,ur culture nor language changed in these 50 yrs so why u say we loose our identity?

    Let me ask how many people know Marwadi language? Their community is so strong u can't learn marwadi or their business
    logic.They think if u know their language u will understand what they are speaking and learn their business.They willl never teach u marwadi.
    Just give a try.So u can never understand what they think about Telangana/ Telangana people/Telangana culture.

    Whether u accept or not fact remains same.If I say rajamundry/Dhavileshwaram was developed by Britishers yes it was developed by britishers.
    whether we accept or not.The dams constructed by "Mr.Cotton" are the only ones till now which are helping east/west godavri districts farmers.
    In 1956 when Telangana people literacy was very low and they don't know english/Telugu it was andhra guys who came here to do our work.
    We have to accept this fact.We always andhra guys saying they did not obey "Pedda manushula Oppundum".Just one note from it.
    "Andhra guys shud not buy or sell land in Telangna region".this is one point from the Oppundum.How these immigrants become landlords here.
    It is our guys who sold it for money.If someone is selling then only u can buy.So even our guys did not followed the Oppundum then why curse them.
    The mistakes is in us but to cover this we cry on others.

    I don't find any logic of separate state depending on these issues.Its all depends on people perception.If we think we can adjust we can still do it.
    I totally agree with "KK" from other post.If a person is hungry give him food to eat ,water to drink don't give him just a empty plate.Giving
    Telangana state now is just like that.Without dams,resources ,proper plannign what we will do with state.Just be happy that we have self rule.Will self rule
    solve our hunger??? And our "Great Leaders" know if they give u all amenities people will forget about state so they don't want this thing to happen.
    They will make u more and more hungry by hindering the development for their selfish needs.

    God help Telangana!

    Regards
    Venu

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  49. Venu:
    If a person is hungry give him food to eat ,water to drink don't give him just a empty plate.Giving
    Telangana state now is just like that.


    In history of mankind, fight for freedom and self-rule was far more important to people than fight for food. Would Indians have been OK if British guaranteed food and water and not freedom?

    Without dams, resources , proper plannign what we will do with state. Just be happy that we have self rule.

    The whole idea for self-rule is that we want to do things our way. We want to build our dams and utilize our resources and demand for our funds from the center, demand for our schools. We want to build our canals from our dams to get our fields so that we have our own food.

    Will self rule solve our hunger???

    If solving hunger is so important and self-rule isn’t, then I propose a better idea. We should just join United Kingdom and let the Queen be our head and British Prime Minister be our leader. They will then make sure no kid goes hungry.

    God help Telangana!

    God doesn’t help Telangana. If he intended to help, he would have done long ago and allowed Telangana to form. We, the people, have to help ourselves.

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  50. Sujai,

    As per ur update u consider Indian freedom fight and Telangana state formation are equal.There to my knowledge we have food and water but we were slaves.Here ur not slaves to anyone.If u feel so I can't help.

    People say we don't have water thats why Telangna farmers are commiting suicide.So the time u get state build dams- ur farmer need to wait? This is what u call planning.

    50yrs have gone waste just thinking of it(state) and no development has happened.why don't u drop the idea and fight for the same things by staying together.Why don't u ask ur local leaders to give a tough fight to all those guys who are opposing the development in Telangana.
    The separation feeling is so strong in u that u r not able to come out of it.

    Since people are not willing so its only "God" who will help you and Telangana.

    Regards
    Venu

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  51. Venu:

    As per ur update u consider Indian freedom fight and Telangana state formation are equal.

    If you put it that way, NO, they are not the same; because creation of India led to creation of a new sovereignty without any allegiance to the British Empire. Therefore, it must be really hard for British to let go.

    However, creation of Telangana is within the legal confines of Indian Constitution, and does not create a new sovereign state. Telangana would still be an integral part of India even after its creation.

    But if you look at it from the angle of self-rule, YES, they are similar. Both the creations, India and Telangana, would give its people certain degree of self-rule (in the first case, absolute, in the second case, not absolute, because India is defined by some as quasi-federal).

    There to my knowledge we have food and water but we were slaves.Here ur not slaves to anyone.

    Indians were not slaves under British Empire though we may want to describe it that way. Many Indians were enrolled into Indian Army, not against their wishes, but out of volition and eagerness, and were paid – though there was clear discrimination. Many Indians were enrolled in Indian Administrative and Civil Services under British Rule. Indian Congressmen were actually elected and held offices even during British Rule. Many Indians approached the courts to settle their disputes. There was no bonded labor under British where certain people worked for generations without pay.

    However, more Indians were slaves to other Indians. There were many Rajas who still reigned in India in their pocket kingdoms and most often the atrocities committed by them are quite pale compared to what British meted out to Indians.

    That doesn’t mean Indians were better off under British. At the end of the day, self-rule how much ever ignominious it is, is more important to people.

    The same is true for people of Telangana.

    People say we don't have water thats why Telangna farmers are commiting suicide.

    I didn’t say that.

    50yrs have gone waste just thinking of it(state) and no development has happened.why don't u drop the idea and fight for the same things by staying together..

    Quite the contrary! The reason no development has happened is NOT because we were thinking about a new state. The whole reason we are thinking about new state is BECAUSE there was NO development happening. Dropping the idea doesn’t make sense. It’s like asking Indians to drop the idea of a separate nation from the British Empire. Creation of Telangana is an eventuality. It can only be delayed. Longer the delay, longer the animosity towards those who seem to be thwarting it.

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  52. The whole reason we are thinking about new state is BECAUSE there was NO development happening.

    And why it was not happening ?Did u r leaders fought for ur rites any time?

    ~Venu

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  53. Venu:

    And why it was not happening ?Did u r leaders fought for ur rites any time?

    No. Our leaders betrayed always.

    The whole idea of a new state is so that our leaders are held accountable when they betray us - instead of blaming some one else for their non-performance.

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  54. The whole idea of a new state is so that our leaders are held accountable when they betray us

    Were they not accountable for these 50 yrs?You know they were pushing the blame on others but u still supported them.
    I agree granting a state shud not depend on quality of leaders but if u know the leaders will definitely betray u then there
    is no point in fighting for separate state.Its just like even u know the road is a dead end but u still want to see whether its "DEAD END" or not.
    Just to make them accountable forming a state is a funny thing.

    Regards
    Venu

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  55. sujai,

    i understand that carving a new country is entirely different from carving a new state. but quoting u "it’s the people of the land who have to decide how they want to be governed and by whom". if people of some states want a new nation, should we allow them?

    one more question. if andhra govt. starts caring for telangana, starts developing it rapidly should it still be made a seperate state since people want it?

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  56. "No Animosity towards Andhra guys"

    Ha ha ha .What a joke what a joke!!!Really cud not stop laughing.People change "Andhra Mess" to Telangan mess,"ANdhra Bank" to "Telangana bank".."Andhra Mahila Sabha" to "Telangan Mahila Sabha".

    U guys have such a hatred towards word "Andhra" and say no animosity ??

    No one touches these things "Iyengar bakery","Punjab National Bank","Bank of Maharastra".

    I have never seen such a low class guys who did this.Better they shud be given state.Let them be happy with their own ideas.

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