This follows from the previous three articles, Telangana – A New State, Telangana II, Telangana III.
Why should
You would think that people would not even ask this question. You would think that people have some common sense. But then you are reminded – that in
U want
…khammam, adilabad, nizamabad etc etc then take them all; leave
...I accept telangana movement was since last 50 yrs but everytime, they ask for
And you know why 'T' state debate is still dragging because u want a very very well developed part into
During our
Do land-locked states fail economically?
One guy puts his opposition to Telangana because it will be a land-locked state. He writes:
Land-locked ecomonies represents a significant economic handicap and a barrier to growth. Most of the worlds poorest countries are landlocked.
What this guy doesn’t know is that some of the affluent nations are also landlocked.
Of the 50 poorest countries in the world, only 16 countries are land-locked. The rest- the 34 countries are poor though they are not land-locked. Actually it looks like you are poor based on where you are- if you are an island or in
The countries which rank in the 50 poorest but are NOT land-locked include, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Liberia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Tanzania, Vanuatu, and Yemen.
Even if it made sense that being land-locked provides a handicap, should
And for a formation of a state within a nation does it really matter if it is landlocked? Can't one go to a port through another state since they are all part of the same nation? Is
Do new states take long time to form?
One guy writes:
…separate state takes a long time to form in today's government. It was easier before, now it isn't as easy.
No examples given. On the other hand, we have seen that Chattisgarh, Uttarkhand and Jharkhand came into existence overnight. Was it difficult to form a new state?
Will the new state has to grapple new problems like crime?
The same guy writes:
…The state will be too busy trying to form new rules, so crime, and other factors will incorporate in it. Not to mention
Idiocy level in this statement is too much. Can’t answer it now.
Map Source: http://www.cultureholidays.com/states/images/andhra-map.jpg
Update: The subsequent part of this blog is at Telangana V.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"You would think that people would not even ask this question. You would think that people have some common sense. But then you are reminded – that in India the common sense is quite uncommon. Here, one guy writes:
U want hyderabad because it is developed… If you guys have guts I challenge u guys take telangana without hyderabad"
Before saying others don't have commonsense please read what people want to say.Only to prove ur point of smaller states saying what ever u want without knowing the history is very bad. When AP was formed Andhra was a state with capital as Kurnool.But telangana was never a state?Even then the capital was moved to Hyderabad?
You know why? There are many reasons for that.Let me tell u few one is its almost in the middle of the state,Out of reach from pakistan target and away from sea.....
It was developed very well after the state is formed and not before that.Don't tell me we have culture,history even much before it got merged with Andhra.
I am not commenting about culture.I am saying it got developed only after it was made state capital.
Being a state capital all govt. head quarters are here,what ever company u established was here.
Now what ever new states got formed can u show me one state in which state capital got separated or divided.Just being in telangana teritory u can't say it belongs to you.
Now ur point of "Pakistan asking New delhi is baseless in this context".
In first Topic u fought with "Kuffir" saying "I am not talking about separate country and now u give the example of India & pakistan.So u don't know what ur talking.To prove ur point u r giving examples what ever supports ur way.
If AP got divided in 1960-70 people wud not have worried this much about hyderabad the same way pakistan did not bothered about New delhi in 1947.But think if pakistan was not didvided at that time and after 50 yrs of indian independence if they want new state/country do u still supoort smaller country by giving ur very well developed ares into that country?
The answer from 99% of people will be "No".
I am not detractor dude I only think practically.I do a risk management analysis before saying something. I repeat I am not against "Telangana" I am against smaller states.
I don't think that solution for telanagana developemnt is dividing the state and blaming andhra guys.
1. I absolutely agree with anonymous. New Delhi was the capital of British India. The heart and soul of India was never established in Delhi. Now, if India has to be devided into two parts, one east of and one west of Delhi, I bet they fight for it.
ReplyDelete2. Most of the coastal countries may not be affluent, but most of the affluent countries are coastal. Coming to India, ever heard about BIMARU states. Telangana with its terrain will top that.
I forgot your other points. I will come to that later.
1. I agree with anonymous. New Delhi was the capital of British India. The heart and soul of India was never established in Delhi. Now, if India has to be devided into two parts, one east of and one west of Delhi, I bet they fight for it.
ReplyDelete2. Most of the coastal countries may not be affluent, but most of the affluent countries are coastal. Coming to India, ever heard about BIMARU states. Telangana with its terrain will top that.
I agree that your 3rd and 4th items are fabrications. I never heard about them before.
1. I agree with anonymous. New Delhi was the capital of British India. The heart and soul of India was never established in Delhi. Neither Pakistan nor India would have cared for it. Now, if India has to be devided into two parts, one east of Delhi and the other west of Delhi, I bet they will fight for it.
ReplyDelete2. Most of the coastal countries may not be affluent, but most of the affluent countries are coastal. Coming to India, ever heard about land locked BIMARU states. Telangana with its terrain will top that.
I agree that your 3rd and 4th items are just fabrications. I didn't hear them before. I don't know who made them up.
Sujaji,
ReplyDeleteI am from Costal Andhra..Even though i contradict with some of ur views on telanga..I still obey with u in many things..But, what if, one day, People of Hyderabad want seperate state of thier own. And then u will feel the pain..My question to u is that..Will telanaga grant the Hyderbad state immedialy respecting the People wishes..My view is that..Not all people of telanga wants seperate state..Take an example for Khamam..can KCR win there with telanga sentiment..??
Why this foolish talk about Hyderabad out side of the Telangana. What will happen if thay talk about separating Mumbai from Maharastra or taking away Benguluru from Karnataka. Is it our fault to welcome people from all places to Hyd. It was 5th city in India then and now. Andhras have flourished in Hyd. They may continue enjoy the good weather of it even after T state is formed. But they want ownership rights over it simply because it is developed. Thanks for their love for city of Telangana. Let them develop their cities and towns, instead of claiming something wich is far away.
ReplyDeleteRe: 'U want hyderabad because it is developed… If you guys have guts I challenge u guys take telangana without hyderabad'
ReplyDeleteLook at history during formation of present Andhra Pradesh, before first SRC there were two states namely Hyderabad and Andhra.
Hyderabad geographycally present telangana region with Hyderabad city as capital and State of andhra geographycally was present costal andhra & rayalseema with Kurnool being its capital. After SRC Govt of India merged Hyderabad & Andhra based on linguistic similarity and made Hyderabad as capital, since it was wealty and has developed infrastructure than kurnool.I wonder how these Andhrites feel as if they have developed Hyderabad ?
Hyderabad's wealth was reason for andhrites to colonize in Hyderabad and resources were diverted.
I was born and brought up in Hyderabad. My grand father moved to Hyd for employment and my father was also born and brought up here. Most of my relatives and friends are in Hyderabad. Most people I know don't want to be associated with telangana. If there is a referendum we will push for Hyderabad as a separate state or union territory.
ReplyDeleteraj:
ReplyDeleteGood luck.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteDoes that mean you support the idea? Since you are a strong proponent of having many states this shouldn't bother you much. Telangana can still be independent, preserve its culture and develop with its own governance even without Hyderabad right? Hyderabad has got its own unique cosmopolitan culture which is mix of urdu, andhra, rayalseema, telangana and bunch of other folks. We don't want to jeopardize this city and its culture by making it part of any one state. Fair enough right? Btw please don't think that this an abstract idea. All the influential people in Hyderabad with their power and resources will make sure that this is going to happen if there is a separate telangana. http://www.cyberabadtimes.net/archives/a-greater-hyderabad-state.php
Raj:
ReplyDeleteYes, we should also have Mumbai as State/Union Territory. And BTW, Calcutta is also cosmopolitan. We should have referendum there to see if they want to be part of West Bengal.
And I live in Bangalore. It has people from all over India. It even has international folks living here. So many hardworking immigrants have contributed towards making this IT capital of India. It’s so unnecessary to be sharing our revenues with the rest of Karnataka. There are so many lazy bums out there in Karnataka sitting on their asses doing nothing getting benefits because of hard work of Bangaloreans. I propose that Bangalore should be a state/union territory. And I am quite sure that many people coming from all over India would definitely vote for a separate unit.
Unfortunately, AP has this unique problem. If a few districts surrounding Bangalore decide to form a separate state one fine day, definitely it would lead to similar discussions. I don't think it's fair to claim ownership of a city purely based on its geographic location. If there is a dispute, residents of the city should be allowed to decide what they want to do. If all the people of Hyderabad vote to join telangana, I would be happy to be part of telangana.
ReplyDeleteHi srinath,
ReplyDelete>>Look at history during formation of present Andhra Pradesh, before first SRC there were two states namely Hyderabad and Andhra. Hyderabad geographycally present telangana region with Hyderabad city as capital and State of andhra geographycally was present costal andhra & rayalseema with Kurnool being its capital.
Hyderabad was rich state. Telangana was a part of Hyderabad state which got divided into 3 parts in 1956. Hyderabad was not made state capital because of its infrastructure.There are other reasons for that. And let me tell you something here people think(few even mentioned in this BLOG) Andhra was a bankrupt state at that time.Till today Andhra was never bankrupt.When it got merged with Telangna Andhra had a very booming economy ; even if it not get merged with Telangana it cud sustain itself. So no comments on Andhra economy.
If you go by smaller state logic lets get divided in 3 parts.Andhra ,Telangana and Hyderabd as union territory.R u ready to accept this ?? Hyderbad till 1956 was even developed by people from Aurangabad district(which is now a part of maharastra) and Bellary(now in karnataka).And after 1956 it was developed by people from all regions of Andhra.Now how can claim it only belongs to Telangana- just because geographically its in Telangana region.
As Sujai said Landlock won’t effect development why can’t we leave hyderabad as a UT and see who will sustain better Andhra or Telangana ? I bet you no one from telangana will accept Telangana if hyderabad is not given to them. They just want to make money on the land rates which got increased from last 3 –4 yrs.
The whole telangana concept revolves around Hyderabad and nothing else..
If andhrites have stolen ur resources and developed their area why they will come and settle here? Why they want leave a place which
is well developed ? Any thoughts ?
Regards
Srini
* I bet you no one from telangana will accept Telangana if hyderabad is not given to them. They just want to make money on the land rates which got increased from last 3 –4 yrs.
ReplyDeleteSo sad, dude. You are not the owner of those lands. They are just reaping the benefits of the efforts put in by other ppl(can I say 'ppl from andhra?) to develop one god forsaken place called hyderabad.
-Bix
Majority of Hyderabadis are People from Andhra and Non-Telangana regions settled in Hyderabad.
ReplyDeleteThe other day, a women TRS Candidate most likely illiterate woman, wants the Andhra people to be eliminated from Telangana region.
What is she talking ? Did we come to Hyderabad because of our poverty ?
Its because we were selected in government jobs and since the job posting is in Hyderabad since its state Capital we came to settle here.
And no one can deny the truth that Hyderabad prospered because of us.
If this is the attitude of Telangana people, we prefer Hyderabad to be a Union Territory rather than being a part of Telangana state.
Seems like Telangana people are jealous of their Andhra brothers who worked hard and earned a good name for Andhra Pradesh.
Thats what we are forced to think.
Dear Telangana Brothers Im born and brought up in Telengana and I speak Telangana and I have all Telangana Friends but when people speak of seperating us it really breaks my heart.
We have our hard earned money here. We have our homes.
How can we leave them?
Im not talking about the legalities or other issues, but think about the issue with a human heart.
Imagine yourself in our place.
Thanks.
brother,
ReplyDeletethe above one
v never asked u to leave telangana
if u come to hyd for job purpose...thats fine
just check that....will it come under 610 g.o.?????
if not then thats fine if yes then u have to leave telangana brother...
comming to ur properties sell them brother...........
no one is buying them????then insure them and fire it!!!!!!!!!
hahhahahha
illegal immigrants
u r like mynamar people in western countries hahhahaha
ree ga vaste phenoel kuda thagutharu brother meeru...
baabu
ReplyDeletefree ga oste phenyl evaru tagutaro andariki telsu..
mundu nuvvu ekkadi nundi ochavo telsukoni myanmar immigrants gurinchi matladu..
nuvvu telangana bhoomi lo nunchi doosukoni ochava bayitaki ?
nuvvu kuda oka immigrant e brother.
Try to find your roots.
blah blah blah ante ayipodu.
Justice will be done one day and that all Telangana demanding people will have to leave Hyderabad since it will be a Union Territory or a Seperate state ruled by Andhra People.
Sudheer:
ReplyDeleteThe other day, a women TRS Candidate most likely illiterate woman, wants the Andhra people to be eliminated from Telangana region.
Just because some illiterate woman from TRS gets emotional and talks of kicking out Andhra people from Telangana, it does not become the premise on which Telangana Movement is formed.
I have seen many people discrediting TRS leaders in an attempt to discredit the whole Telangana Movement. I find all such attempts wily and cunning. Telangana Movement is in spite of TRS.
Her statements are unwarranted and do not reflect the sentiments of most Telangana people. Her jingoism will get more audience only if separation of Telangana gets further delayed. As I said earlier, if people of Andhra Pradesh were mature and its politicians were thinking of long term consequences, they should just let Telangana separate. The more you hold onto it with force, the more the people of Telangana will resent the other people.
Sooner the separation, the better it is for everyone. Nobody will grow animosity against the other.
And no one can deny the truth that Hyderabad prospered because of us.
And those illiterate TRS leaders speak like that because of attitudes of people like you.
The more you keep saying that Hyderabad prospered because of you (which is a completely baseless premise to start with) the more people of Telangana hate you.
Your attitude is not helping the already formed opinion that people of Andhra look down upon people of Telangana. The more you talk like that more it is clear that it is indeed the case. I, for one, don’t believe in such things, but my friend, your attitude is not helping me defend your case.
If this is the attitude of Telangana people, we prefer Hyderabad to be a Union Territory rather than being a part of Telangana state.
Frankly, we give a two hoots about what you prefer. And, who the hell are you to impose your preference onto our matters? This is the matter internal to Telangana and we will go about doing what we want to do.
Seems like Telangana people are jealous of their Andhra brothers who worked hard and earned a good name for Andhra Pradesh. Thats what we are forced to think.
Please think what you feel like. As again, we are not eyeing upon any region of Rest of Andhra. We are not forcing you into conceding your cities to us. On the other hand, people of Rest of Andhra are eyeing upon our lands and cities.
but when people speak of seperating us it really breaks my heart.
You have been watching too many sappy Telugu movies. Get your head out and look at the real world for once.
We have our hard earned money here. We have our homes. How can we leave them?
Nobody is asking you to leave. But while we fight our fights don’t jut in to ridicule our fight.
Anonymous, #1:
ReplyDeleteFirst, you should start giving yourself some name. Otherwise, there will too many ‘Anonymous’ and soon we don’t know which Anonymous is saying what.
Second, if you saying something very important, like a fact, then give some kind of argument or reference to substantiate it.
For example, you said,
You know why? There are many reasons for that.Let me tell u few one is its almost in the middle of the state,Out of reach from pakistan target and away from sea.....
You think Hyderabad was chosen as capital, not Kurnool, because it is ‘out of reach from Pakistan, away from sea’. So, why was Mumbai chosen as capital of Maharashtra? It is on the sea, and very close to West Pakistan. And why was Kolkata chosen as capital of West Bengal? It is on the sea, and very close to East Pakistan. Why was Bangalore chosen as capital, and not Mysore? Both are away from the sea.
Your assertion sounds ridiculous. Unless you substantiate it with an argument as to why Andhra Pradesh was so special, you will not be taken seriously.
Now what ever new states got formed can u show me one state in which state capital got separated or divided.
Bihar got separated into Bihar and Jharkhand. Bihar got Patna only because Patna is in Bihar. If Patna was in the region of Jharkhand, then Jharkhand would have got it, and may be, just like you, Biharis might have protested a lot.
The same applies to Uttarkhand and Chattisgarh.
Is it that important to know who separates from whom? If a region A separates into B and C, does it really matter if B called itself A?
[The difference is that separation seeker always gives itself a name which is usually different from parent name.]
Just being in telangana teritory u can't say it belongs to you.
Now ur point of "Pakistan asking New delhi is baseless in this context".
That’s the whole point. Just because New Delhi was in that region of India which became India, Indians got it. If it was in the region claimed by Pakistan, then we would have lost it. India lost its Harappa, Mohenjadaro, Taxila to Pakistan, though Indians attach themselves to those cities in history. We lost them only because they happen to be in those lands that became Pakistan.
That same is true of Hong Kong. Though the city was developed by British, it went to China because it was on a piece of land that was claimed by Chinese.
In first Topic u fought with "Kuffir" saying "I am not talking about separate country and now u give the example of India & pakistan.So u don't know what ur talking.To prove ur point u r giving examples what ever supports ur way.
Separation of Telangana is not same a separation of a country. In the separation of nations, the legal framework that guarantees someone certain rights within a nation are not applicable beyond its borders. But at the same time, both are separations.
I contested with him on that analogy because we don’t have to feel really sad or bad on creating new states within our country, because it is not like breaking up of the country. The same constitution holds good. You are free to travel, invest and live. You don’t need to take permissions to immigrate, etc. You can still fly your own flag and sing your National Anthem.
However, when discussing the topic of giving up cities, I used the creation of Pakistan and India as an example, to show how cities are given up just because they happen to be inside certain geographies.
But think if pakistan was not didvided at that time and after 50 yrs of indian independence if they want new state/country do u still supoort smaller country by giving ur very well developed ares into that country?
The answer from 99% of people will be "No".
Look at the world around you, since 1990, more than 30 countries got created in the world. Yet some fools would be strongly opposed to it. And in the same period more than 4 states were formed in India. Yet, people are opposed to it.
People were always opposed to such things. More than 99% of British were opposed to granting India its independence, and yet it happened. So, keep your % with you. We will eventually get Telangana no matter what Rest of Andhra thinks. ;-)
I do a risk management analysis before saying something.
Hmm…
I am against smaller states.
And why is that? [Because God said so?]
mr. pawan reddy garu
ReplyDeleteeepude nidra lechara
already memmaene pampadam start ayende sir 610 g.o.
seperate state ruled by andhra people!!!!
hahahhahahahhaa
try in movies brother comedian ga success avuthavu
hahahhaha
seperate state ayethe evaru mee father rule chestara?????
hahahhaha
andukane erripukulu annade lokam hahahhahaha
ekkada memu, owasi saab lemanukunnava?
enkokate meeru andhra people will be counted as ''''others''' in telngana
hyd lo 4 lac andhra people r there before 2001 aprox
when they r ready to vote they r refferd as oters...u know that
no kamma no kapu no raju no baju hahahhaha i mean caste referece vachenaudu in voting list....ade mee status just check thata
what ever brother manchi dream kannavu nidra le...........
bye
You think Hyderabad was chosen as capital, not Kurnool, because it is ‘out of reach from Pakistan, away from sea’. So, why was Mumbai chosen as capital of Maharashtra? It is on the sea, and very close to West Pakistan. And why was Kolkata chosen as capital of West Bengal?
ReplyDeleteHow many defence organisation are present in the capitals u mentioned? Why pakistan declare we can hit Hyderabad instead of saying some other capital? I agree with anonymous #1 about this(and only about this).
-sudhir
Sudhir:
ReplyDeleteDid the defense organizations came first, or did the state with Hyderabad as capital came first?
If the DRDO/DRDL came first, then what you say makes sense, but if Tthe state with Hyderabad as capital came first, then the logic does not apply.
Also, look at the military establishments that were existing already and see if they had to move them just because of threat from Pakistan.
Also, note if being a capital city was important to have the defense establishments.
That was Food for thought. Please don't answer these questions. I really like to have the quality of debate little more sensible.
Thanks.
alright MR.Advocate of Telangana, why r u so silent after the by election results are out? Did ur leader, KCR the GREAT tell u to be silent? backed all the facts about Hyderabad and insisted that it has to be part of telaanagana when once formed. Sorry, u have caught the people's mandate on the wrong foot. Your own KCR is silent since june 1st sunday 2008. Alright MR. strong supporter of seperate Telangana, I want to listen to what you want to say now about state's division. I have read most of your answers to the questions which other bloggers posed. Most of your answers seemed arrogant. Let me see the degree of arrogance you may use in answering this post. Majority of people in Hyderabad want development. It does not matter as long as it is congress or TDP and as long as they do not split the state. Your great leader many times implicitly stated that andhra's are spoiling Telangana and andhras are -ve, -ve^2,-ve^3 and blah blah and blah. he not only derided the politicians but also the commoners and had minimum respect for the felings of common man. Your great leader clearly understands the psycology of general public and has seen that the general public is sickly sentimental and used this "SENTIMENT" and plotted to carve out telangana based only on sentiment. yaa people definitely give in for sentiments in India. This was his only agenda. Read any news paper u will get the same info. I do not want to elaborate this. People clearly rejected the "The Great Man" and his followers in Hyderabad. In that the TRS came only a third in terms of votes it achieved. It is common knowledge that congress and TDP chose to speak in favor of telangana only fearing the peopl's anger and a baclslash which thy may have to face courtesy brainwash of people by KCR to demand a seperate state. Your "great leader" cleverly blackmailed TDP and congress. Even Chiranjeevi is facing so many difficulties in setting up his party and has been delaying it for eons. Only obvious reason--"what should be his stance on T-state?". If he embraces telangana, coastal and rayalaseema will reject him and vice versa.
ReplyDeleteNow speak up. what do u want? development or telangana or I know you would "intellligently" put it as Telangana with development.
I am not against the telangana sentiment or the people(I know you would curse me that I am using diplomatic language).I WANT THE DEVELOPMENT of the entire state. Its true that telangana is neglected by "andhra politicians". strive for the development of the region and not break up the state. there are many other backward regions of the state srikakulam, prakasam, ananthapur, most parts of rayalaseema etc. actually these people should ask for a seperate state. The only gut feeling you guys have in demanding a seperate state is that you do not have to work harder for the development of Hyderabad when once it is in the exclusive T-state. Conversly, Hyderabd will loose its sheen when it is seperated. Many educated telanganites hate the idea of being sperated from adhra pradesh. simple reason, their properties would get affected. Clearly the urban voters rejected TRS in twin cities. People will vote for anyone as long as are assured of all the possible good things. Your leader is very cunning and the common had enough of it and gave a strong reply to his seperatist tendencies. If he has to regain the voters confidence before the next general elections in 2009 he has to be a hercules in doing so. But still I do not agree with the idea of providing justice to one region and depriving the same justice to other regions of the state. (Context is Hyderabad).
Sir, sir, please do not catch the voter on the wrong foot once again.
I do not have to remind you this. But just as a matter of fact if hyderabad is handed over to telangana, andhra and especially rayalaseema would fare very badly in terms of economics. This is not social justice with equality. Your great leader's demand for a seperate telangana is good. But what is not good is the fact that he wants to develop Telangana at the cost of ordinary people's lives in coastal and Rayalaseema. I can write more on your blog and willing to debate with you for ever.
I sincerly advise to drop the idea of T-state and concentrate on
1)uplifting the lives of poor people and not playing cheap sentiment politics
2)keep away from detesting commonman(your leader greatly hates andhra people more than the politicains he has very scant respect for andhra people)
3)stop indulging in loose talk(on the other day he told that a sword is put up on rajsekhar's neck and it may set off after the results of Byelections. what a farce?. irony of fate right? especially for you self made staunch supporter of Telangana?)
4)do not try to blackmail people and never again think of snatching away Hyderbad from Andhra pradesh.
Bottom line: If you and your great leader really feel that telangana needs development, stop being political and diplomatic about it. your KCR says that if telangana is a reality, he will not wish for any positions in the government.(loose talk again.)people re NOT foolish.
June 1st 2008 everyone knows who has become the laughing stock of entire telugu community and that who is going to have the last.laugh.
politics apart, if at all if telangana along with Hyderabad is seperated, what is the gaurantee that this "backward region" is going to be "developed".? YOU MAY IGNORE my previous comments, but if you guts to answer my question, come with a simple straight forward explicit anwser. no ifs and buts.
I gaurantee you that TRS, if it divides, andhra state, it is going to enjoy politically and also enjoy with ministries in Hyderabd at the cost of the common man. Believe me whatever agenda your ideological leader has, it is only a big humbug and people are not going to be swayed by his loose talk.
seperate T-stance has wasted the time of everyone in this state including me who had to spend nealry half hour to write this post(my typing speed is slow.)
I would like to see the real red face of your great leader and what he is going to talk within due course of time. If he were a sincere politican, he would have openly acknowledged defeat and admitted that he is going to drop the movement. Since he did not do this, it seems, he is an oppurtunist and a "GREAT POLOTICIAN".
Tell your leader to cool himself and try to be not HEADSTRONG.
I am expecting candid answers for my post. Do not post arrogant and head strong answers.
still no response from the strong supporter of the movement. Yes I am talking about u Mr.Sujai(the owner of this blog.). I do NOT mind if u take ur own sweet time. But do not quote arrogant replies or hackeneyed phrases. Just simple striaght anwers. Do not repeat the political answer that the moment has NOT died and its only the TRS party which has lost. Its commonsense that which party clearly favors what. I do not have to explain it to you. You may know better than most people.
ReplyDeleteNote: I am neither a congress nor a TDP party worker. I am just a commonman who is irked by people who keep talking about division and people who brought this issue to lime light only for their selfish deeds.
No pun intended. I hope you come up with a reply in good spirits.
to the above two anonymous
ReplyDeletebrother
u know one thing ..the demand for seperate telanagan state is strong brother
but..they got vexed with k.c.r functioning
even sujai or me never said to vote for TRS
got that
but all v people want a seperate state rule by which ever party
say trs or congress or telanaga tdp or MIM got that...
all about k.c.r is that he brought the telanagna issue to the top..say every one said ''v r not aganist seperate telanagna''
got 2 good projects
610 g.o. implementation
UPA govt discussion
in abdul kalam speech
assurance from all the parties that they are not aganist telanagna
drawbaks:
his style of functioning irked everyone
lot of anti incumbaracy votes
(some TRS people never visited teir constituencies) and kept on saying jai telanagna
i never support say nainy narsimha reddy..say a.chandra shekar...so.on
but mlas who r in touch with people got elected
say harish rao..
captain laxmikantah rao...
comming to your point...
in the other way if all the people of telanagna want to hAVE A DEVOLOPED TELANAGNA in united AP
then v have to wait for some more time
v cant just judge through it
bec,
when k.c.r won with 2,00,000 majority last y
and now with 15,000 votes
there is a bias going on
as a common man i say to take some time and see upto next elections
the above statements never mean that ''trs will be winning next elec'' just it is better to be patient and look
my personal observation:
bit bias going on in the minds of telanagna people
just v have see how it goes..
thanx
bye
I think this superman feeling adamant Andrites are fueling Telangana movement more and more. Andra parasites does not have any respect for Telanga dilect and culture and they are so insensitive towards Telangana dilect. My dear Andhra brothers, when you develop Hyderabad so much, you can just do that any where in Andra by creating new capital right. You will not even have the traffic problems which are in Hyderabad. You are so enterprenuer and intelligent so all jobs will follwo you and craete wealth where ever you live. Why dont you leave Telanga people and work hard to rest of the Andra as a golden state. As a matter of fact Hyderabad was 5th largest before merge and 5th largest after merge. All coal, Electricity and water was sent to Andra region at the expense of Telangana lives.
ReplyDeleteWith all respect to humanity, i believe there is no need for a seperate telangana. If you say and believe honestly that telangana people are marginalised then i think there MUST be a seperate telangana state, i support it honestly with all respect for their right to live a wonderful life in telangana state and g_d bless telangana.
ReplyDeleteBUT yes a very BIG BUT
Hyderabad MUST not be included in Telangana, I will give a billion reasons why it should not be in Telangana state and justify all of them ferociously. If you want Hyderabad to be included in Telangana region, you are asking telangana region on the basis of hatred, a very bitter hatred spwaned against andhra people who are much more hardworking and smarter than local people. I do not support telangana with hyderabad which has its roots in hatred, a very bitter hatred againt hardworking andhra people in Hyderabad. If Telangana people want hyderabad, its for this very reason of hatred that they develop in their hearts against andhra people, Telangana people did not think about seperate state WITH Hyderabad included until a decade earlier (ofcourse there were inter mitent jai telangana agitations for political milage)but once the hard working class of andhra people developed this hyderabad region telangana people started their sinister designs to grab this tremendous wealth created by hard working andhra people.
Sujai, for this very reason telanga should be developed without hyderabad, let me see how well telangana people develop their state.
Surya
telangana1969.com
ReplyDeletemust to see for every telanganaite ….
please forward this link to all sons & daughters of telangana.
jai telengana
I must say its a great report i have ever seen about India, i never knew these facts about India, thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeletemove on people, this is a non event. no one is going to lose their shirt, their house or their job due to this except the politicians.
ReplyDeleteno one is going to get an extra piasa either...except (also) the politicians.
I'm not from telengana so I have no right to comment on the telengana sentiment but I have one comment to make. When TDP was in power during 2000 era CB Naidu took 6000 Crores from world bank for the development of AP state and a major portion of it(Around 4500 Crores) was invested in Hyderabad to develop its infrastructure starting from Flyovers, Roads, Hi-tech City etc. Now somebody please tell me who will pay back those bucks, do we all have to bear that burden or our telengana brothers will take care of this by their own. This is just one example of what we shared as a state together and now that Hyderabad is separated from AP, people from outside Telengana will feel ROBBED, can anyone deny this? Also when KCR formed a coalition with Congress in 2004 and after they won the election why didnt he raise the telengana issue till now? is it because he was enjoying beside YSR?
ReplyDeleteRyali.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou really have a bad temper and so arrogant.
1) Tell me how much time it will take to settle down all economy and political status at T-state now. you can concentrate on developing after you finish making a perfect govt. Than only you can concentrate on undeveloped region. Your leader could rise an evolution to concentrate on developing undeveloped regions instead of asking for a new state.
This separate T-state issue came up just for their own political future.
ReplyDeletehello 'am Karthik :
ReplyDeletei dont know much about telangana issue as i live in navi mumbai.i came to know about the present state of telangana after reading your post .but i want to ask one thing .if your hand gets infected by some allergy then will u prefer medicating it or amputating it?manamu andaramu okkate kadara malli mana state ni improve chese badalu unko state kavalani maram pettadam tappu kada??? okavella ante kopam ga unte system ni marchadaniki ante prayatnam chesta problem inta daka ochhedi kademo....So please give your opinion a second thought..
Karthik:
ReplyDeleteif your hand gets infected by some allergy then will u prefer medicating it or amputating it?
I don’t think that separation of states is equivalent to amputating a body part. The whole idea of seeing a nation as a single body is clichéd, and mostly puerile and applies only in allegories or at the mostly in jingoistic and patriotic songs.
A nation or a state is an idea. It is not a physical entity. If certain people come together to live together under a single banner or flag, then a nation or a state is formed, otherwise it withers away. It takes a lot of effort to keep it together because it benefits us all. However, no nation or state is a permanent entity. It changes and amalgamates with time – take a look at the world map – it keeps changing over time continuously.
Also the analogy of a nation or state with body is fraught with problems. A body will not work properly without a hand or a leg, and each part is distinct from another in the sense that a hand cannot take place of eye, etc. However a nation doesn’t act that way. When a nation loses certain piece of land, it still functions as a nation.
i read your blog to get insight into telangana issues from a "pro" telangite.I do support the argument of a separate state for better goverence and development.
ReplyDeleteBut I fiercely support the cause of "HYDERABAD". we hyderabadis dont wish to be part of Telangana. We would fight for a UnionT status. all the "pro" telengaties shouldn't find it a problem coz Hyderabad is "heavily populated" with Andhrites who apparently ridicule, oppress and rob them.
Being wise, cultured, educated people spend efforts and use all might in making the state of telangana a prosperous state. Let rest of Andhra own as much of Hyd as Telangana. It is a city belonging to all telugus. we have a fine example of Delhi in our country to follow suite.
Well i am surprised to see one state propounders stressing that this is in the best interest of telangana. None of them ever mentioned the advantages of andhra districts. Its sheer double standard on their part because they want single state for their own interests and not for the benefits of telangana people. I am still in doubt if hyd developed under AP. It had a great potential and thats the reason andhra wanted to unite with telangana. Moreover hyderabd once second biggest city in South India and once known for beautiful gardens has metamorphosed into a muddy city with its main artery musi turned into a sewer. Hyd is no more the second largest but it fell down a place to third. I do not see any development in this. May be it would have been better if hdyerabad was seperate?
ReplyDeleteThe only development andhra people cite is the IT industry which happened only few years ago and that too as part of major developments through out india thanks to liberalization policy passed by PV govt who himself is from telangana.
I would also like to continue that there is a wide opinion among andhra people that telangana people are not capable to govern the state with out their help. This is just because when AP was newly formed most of the leaders from andhra belonged to congress which was then the most popular and ruling party at the center. Eventhough telangana had their own share of capable leaders most of them aligned with Communist party. So certainly the andhra had upperhand after the unification. Portrayal of telangana as illeterate and ignorant backward people increased after the failure of 1969 agitation and before that if you see tlangana had its own share of intellectuals and who were cleaner than corrupt andhra politicians. The so called congress party that is known for its quasi standards and ethics also took this as advantage to suppress other parties in telangana.
ReplyDeleteSo guys dont you think if the region did not develop after 50 years why do you think it would develop in future as a part of AP? Lets leave the state of affairs to its own people and let them learn to govern their own region and develop it. There may be pitfalls for some time but in the long run people would be aware of the things and mind that villagers in telangana are not that naive as portrayed in media. And telangana culture is very different from bihar and there would not be any factions that would develop later.
So do not worry about it and tryto concentrate on Vizag. I believe it has a very greta potential to become second Mumbai in India.
People from andhra, came to hyd because they got job, and they got job because top officials in governments where andhra people, thats were its all about, u people dont understand, y the people are asking for seperate state, because they dont have jobs, which u people have hold on it. At that time when people of telangana, cried for justice, u never heard, And now, u again u talk about owning hyd as if its ur property, and trying to have sympathy that u have born & brought up in hyd, & as if u & only u have developed hyd & telangana people have done nothing for its development & again trying to do injustice to the people of hyd, try to understand the sentiments of people of telangana, go to ur places & develop ur own states, Thats the best solution, leave the people of telangana alone, let them decide there own fate,
ReplyDeletelive & let other live
Ryali,
ReplyDeleteI just happen to see your comment. I am quite amused the way you try to make it a point that since Babu spent 4500 crores in hyd in 1998, telangana should not form a separate state. Well, world bank knows before it lent the money where it is going to be spent. Babu did not divert the money to develop flyovers in Hyd. Babu's period was a progressive epoch in recent India because of the newly opened gates FDI's by liberalization policies. Well every big city in India at that time saw same kind of development. Actually hyderabad was little late. So do you think WOrld Bank lent the money because Andhra people have political access to hyderabad? no it is because of the potential of hyderabad(which has been always a major city in South India) that convinced them. Forming a separate state would not affect hyderabad or its development in any way. And moreover the infrastructure that developed around hyderabad is only a portion of what was developed in Andhra Pradesh. Check the amounts of money spent in andhra in recent and past times to develop infrastructure including development of free zone at Kakinada and its port, Railway bridges in Rajamundry, National Highyways and new railway lines, developing guntur railway division, development of water resources in nellore and prakasham districts, new power stations. They developed andhra for decades and hyderabad only saw its share in late 1990's. Whenever hyderabad was developed funds came in as FDI's or world bank loans, whereas Andhra was developed on central and state funds. Well do you know thousands of villages in telangana saw electricity, roads and bridges in just recent years when demands of telangana reappeared in early 2000's. Needless to say those are all on foreign loans. god knows if they would have atleast known these things if the liberalisation policies in 1990's did not pass. As a person from outside the state I know you might have only known about the affairs of hyderabad but if you can spend time in all over tandhra pradesh you would definitely see the difference and discrimination. What I am posting here is only a little portion of it.
Do not make such a hasty judgements again. I hope you would understand the problems of telangana and their root cause with warm heart.
U said: "During our Independence time, did we even discuss if New Delhi will be part of Pakistan or with India?"
ReplyDeleteI would say that this is a bad example though I kind of agree with the arguments. The basis on which the two separations took place are different. So, u should not ideally compare India-Pakistan separation with Andhra Pradesh - Telangana separation.
Chaitanya said...
ReplyDeleteSo, u should not ideally compare India-Pakistan separation with Andhra Pradesh - Telangana separation.
OK. I will not. I will give another example. Did we even discuss in 1960 if Gujarat would get Mumbai or Maharashtra would get Mumbai when Gujarat was formed out Bombay State? Though many Gujaratis made Mumbai their home and have invested in that city for centuries?
Hyderabad was built by Telangana People. Andhra state Joined Telangana because of Hyderabad.
ReplyDeleteSo never dare to ask for Hyderabad.
No one will dare to take Hyderabad from Telangana.
The people who ever is against Telangana, first know some history about Telangana state, andhra state and AP. Then you can find the answer why Hyderabad belongs to Telangana.
ReplyDeleteDon't argue stupidly.
Hyderabad was and is now being given the importance as the capital city of Andhra Pradesh. People came there looking up to it as a capital and center of all activity and economic growth. It would have been genuine to ask for hyderabad if this movement was 50 years back. Now is not the time to ask for hyderabad by any one side. It is by all means developed using hte tax money paid by people all over AP. Don't be ignorant talk with regional bias. The current generation of telangana logically has no right to ask for hyderabad. It should be shared by both states as a Union territory or remain as one state. I personally dont care about various reasons for seperate state. Everybody is happy as long as hyderabad is not parted because there is definitely going to be some discrimination on non telangana people if hyderabad id given to them and they don't even have the right to ask that. You can always have a local poll or consider the local MLA's of hyderabad for the opinion of local people because they have the right to talk about hyderabad. Geographical reasons are trash.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your time.
Raj19, Well you made a simple mistake of cooking the dinner dish with all the ingredients except for a pinch of salt you added baking soda.
ReplyDeleteWell everyone agrees that hyderabad was developed to what it is now from AP state taxes but for that it relentlessly catered the needs of more andhra people than telangana.
Now it is time telangana get its share back. Hyderabad has been part of telangana and will be when separate state forms.
Everyone can make judgements cleverly but what matters at the end is what actually is the reality and justice.
Atlast Sujai,
ReplyDeleteWe came to the crux of the argument. I think the only thing that bothers the andhra people is hyderabad. They merged telangana with andhra only to have hyderabad their capital with out which andhra state would have a very weak identity(Believe me this is all about identity crisis).
If telangana forms they would again loose this identity.
Now they have no qualms getting separated from telangana but they are only worried about the loss of most identifying element in the state, Hyderabad. That is the sole reason for the fuss samaikhyandhra.
They have degraded their ethos to such an extent that they are ready to tear hyderabad from telangana and thereby deprive telangana its identity. If they lose it they want telangana also to loose it.
If they had wholeheartedly merged with telangana longback this wouldn't have been the present situation. They only needed hyderabad and its identity, that was why they strongly appealed for unification. Because they then knew that they could not just claim hyderabad with out telangana.
Now after so many years they claim just hyderabad because they think they developed it. I had always been critical about these double standards and they always side tracked the argument.
Bottomline is that they just want to identify themselves in the union as the one who owns hyderabad.
Sravan,
ReplyDeleteDude it is not they or we in Hyderabad.. Conduct a plebiscite and then decide on the fate..
If Hyd people agree to form a new UT, are you ok ?
And do you mean to say there is no identity for Telangana w/o Hyderabad.
~We
Once upon a time ,there lived a monkey on a tree on the shores of a great river. There were lots of crocodiles dwelling in the river. One fine day a crocodile hunting its prey struck a bone in his teeth on the very shore where the monkey lived.
ReplyDeleteAfter several futile efforts to remove the bone he begged the monkey to help him. The monkey was very kind hearted and so it came down to help the crocodile. But knowing the nature of crocodiles he was first reluctant to approach the crocodile. But crocodile promised him that he would not harm him and would make him his best friend if the monkey helped him. Looking at the agony of the crocodile and believing his promise the monkey removed the bone from his tooth using a long stick keeping himself at a safe distance. From then onwards the crocodile used to come to the shore daily and spend time with the monkey. Soon they became good friends. Even the crocodile some times warned the monkey about other crocodiles who were craving for the monkey's meat. The monkey being the clever one taught the crocodile so many worldly things. This went on for a while.
One day the crocodile's wife who was very greedy persuaded his husband to reveal all about his monkey friend. But the wife was always dreaming about tasting the monkey meat. So one fine day she asked her husband to bring the monkey to their home so that she can taste his meat. The husband at first tried to convince his wife about his friendship but being a hen-pecked husband had to concede to her wish.
He devised a plan and came to the monkey as usual and after chatting for a while offered the monkey ride on his back. Monkey always wanted to go around on the river waters, so he quickly jumped on to the crocodile's back. After such a long period of being friend he trusted crocodile very much.
While swimming in the river the crocodile revealed the truth to the monkey because he thought the monkey had no way to escape. He also said that since he saved the monkey from other crocodiles several times,he is the rightful owner of his friend's meat. Monkey was at first shocked but quickly made up his mind and said,
" Oh! my dearest friend, Why didn't you tell me this before. I would be very glad to offer my meat to my dear friend's wife. But did i tell you before that we monkeys keep our hearts usually at home when we go out. Heart is the most tasty part of our body and I would be delighted to offer your wife my heart first. So lets go back to my home and get my heart."
The crocodile already amused about the monkey willing to offer his meat, with out a second thought brought the monkey to the shore. The monkey quickly climbed on to the tree and said,
" Dear Friend, I agree we were both very close friends for a long period but it is your cruel nature that has compelled you to make you friend your prey for today. I think this is the end of our friendship and please do not come back to me again" and shooed away the crocodile in to the river.
From then onwards the monkey never made friendship with any crocodile.
Well guys, do see any analogy here? Well telangana people were not that clever and the andhra people were not that foolish. So the end is some what different here. It's time we know the true nature of crocodiles.
Please understand this story has a weak similarity regarding the present issue and I request everyone not to take the nature of the characters seriously. This story I cited only to reveal the actual dependency of andhra people on hyderabad and that its true ownership belongs to telangana. I noway meant to hurt any bodiy's feelings here.
I hope you all understand it clearly and try to make a wise contemplation out of it.
Thank you
I again would like to press that the above story and its analogy is not to hurt any body's feelings but I only intended to help clearly state the true requirements and claims of both sides.
ReplyDeleteI apologize if I unknowingly offended anyone.
Thank you
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ReplyDeleteTo anonymous,
ReplyDeleteyou said,
Sravan,
Dude it is not they or we in Hyderabad.. Conduct a plebiscite and then decide on the fate..
If Hyd people agree to form a new UT, are you ok ?
And do you mean to say there is no identity for Telangana w/o Hyderabad.
~We
Dude,
Lets conduct the same plebicite all over telangana inclusive of hyderabad and lets decide. It is quite illogical to separate hyderabad from telangana.
I think you can deduce what I mean.
Continuing the reply to anonymous,
ReplyDeleteHave your looked at the assembly election results?
They always provide the results region wise and they never give the results of hyderabad separately from telangana. Why do you think is that?
So unknowingly you people are falling prey to your leaders' illogical claim on hyderabad.
Trust me separating state with out any debate on hyderabad is good for both sides.
Please reconsider your opinion.
"It is the greatest boon for mankind that he can change his opinion. For, he cannot change his brain and least, can change the facts"
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteIt is really dismal to me that you need to explain the irrelevancy of landlocked state comment comparing with landlocked countries.
Dude, we should understand that the territorial waters are national property and not state property. This would be unwise on the part of the commenters that they bring up this idea at all.
remember we are not asking for a country this is only for a state with in the safe boundaries of our country.
Please do not put your efforts on such silly doubts,
Thank you
~We:
ReplyDeleteIf Hyd people agree to form a new UT, are you ok ?
No.
Sravan:
ReplyDeleteWe came to the crux of the argument. I think the only thing that bothers the andhra people is hyderabad.
Yes. It is coming out very clear now. I believe that it will be become starkly evident very soon as events unfold.
There is a flip side to this - this is only uniting the Telangana politicians for the first time.
Kas,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, why would you want to separate? there is no reason at all... stay united we are all Indians shame on the people who want separation! Andhra is a place for all telugus ..why would you want to separate all the telugu speaking community... This is politics! Politicians are in for benefits, the victims are the telugu speaking community! We should be happy to live together instead of separating.. what are you goin to gain from verbal abusing and damaging private property... ITs a shame fighting between telugus like pakistan and india... THis shows how cheap and weak our telugus are...
Hi Sujai,
ReplyDeleteGood reply with cooking man.
You seem absolutely jobless with some funny answer for everybody. As I said, the whole movement is about the economic growth. My mother is talangana, My wife telangana, my father andhra and I am born and brought up in HYD. I think you people are silly. If you have a tendency to get raped, you sure shall be raped all your life. Whether in your home or any other one's. You guys have always been emotionally weak and scapegoats of some nasty leader's misery like KCR. You guys think you get a state and from the next day you will just be pluckin prosperity from and pride from trees all over telangana. I just cant stop laughing and thank you, I shall not be visiting this crazy blog again. Absolutely jobless shit, and by the way first learn to close your your legs or you shall be raped again-by the talangana leaders.
to chefchef,
ReplyDeleteby the way first learn to close your your legs or you shall be raped again-by the talangana leaders
This is exactly how a rapist defends himself. Are you one of the rapists?
Do you think all those women who were raped till now, have been raped because they kept their legs open?
I think you are absolutely mindless. I pity those who gave you job.
If you are raped by your own husband it is best to separate and demand compensation and justice.
That is what I think the issue is all about.
Losers, don't run, fight and win, try to understand what is written. I am from telangana and I donot believe in running and seperating. The most developed district in andhra pradesh is Nalgonda. You are in a trap. I just donot want to be in it. Think about it.
ReplyDeleteSome of the posts say the whole Telangana movement is started becoz of jobless KCR. The readers have to understand that Telangana movement was there since 50 years. KCR only joined the Telangana movement, he did not start the movement.
ReplyDeleteI agree that KCR was not given a cabinet birth that time. But if KCR can challenge Chandrababu and TDP at the height of his power and establish a party and win so many MLA seats as he did, would it be not possible for him to get a cabinet berth. Hence i see it is totally baseless that KCR started TRS becoz he was not given a cabinet berth. KCR started TRS becoz he saw the support for the Telangana in Telangana people.