The authors of Indian constitution, unlike the current generation of Indians, did not believe that the states, districts and mandals within India are static, unchanging, and permanent. They had the maturity to accept that states would evolve and change, and hence made provisions for creation of new states in Indian Union.
Indian Constitution
Article 3 of Indian Constitution addresses the topic of ‘Formation of new States and alteration of areas, boundaries or names of existing States’. It says:
Parliament may by law
(a) form a new State by separation of territory from any State or by uniting two or more States or parts of States or by uniting any territory to a part of any State;
(b) increase the area of any State;
(c) diminish the area of any State;
(d) alter the boundaries of any State;
(e) alter the name of any State; Provided that no Bill for the purpose shall be introduced in either House of Parliament except on the recommendation of the President and unless, where the proposal contained in the Bill affects the area, boundaries or name of any of the States, the Bill has been referred by the President to the Legislature of that State for expressing its views thereon within such period as may be specified in the reference or within such further period as the President may allow and the period so specified or allowed has expired Explanation I In this article, in clauses (a) to (e), State includes a Union territory, but in the proviso, State does not include a Union territory Explanation II The power conferred on Parliament by clause (a) includes the power to form a new State or Union territory by uniting a part of any State or Union territory to any other State or Union territory
The steps for creating a new state are as follows: A bill on a new state has to be recommended by the President. In India it is usually the Cabinet which requests the President to do that. Article 3 makes it clear that the Parliament is the sole authority on making a decision on a new state. President refers the bill to the State Assembly for its views giving it a certain period of time. Parliament is not obligated to follow on the views of State Assembly. If the State Assembly does not express its opinion within the specified period of time, the bill could be introduced in the Parliament after the expiry of the specified period.
Why did the authors of the constitution put complete responsibility of creating new states ONLY with the Parliament? Why did they not provide a bigger role for a State Assembly other than expressing ‘its views’ on the topic?
To understand the intentions behind a certain clause in our Constitution the legal experts refer to the discussions of the authors that preceded the formulation of these clauses referred to as Constituent Assembly Debates (CAD). One legal expert clarifies:
When the Constituent Assembly was deliberating in November 1948 on the scope and content of Article 3, there was a proposal by Prof. KT Shah that the legislation constituting a new State from any region of a State should originate from the legislature of the State concerned. Had this procedure been approved, the power to decide the statehood of a region seeking separation would have been vested with the State legislature dominated by the elite of developed regions.
Opposing the same and using the then demand for an Andhra Province as an example, Shri K Santhanam stated as under: “I wonder whether Professor Shah fully realises the implications of his amendment. If his amendment is adopted, it would mean that no minority in any State can ask for separation of territory… unless it can get a majority in that State legislature.
Take the case of Madras Province for instance. The Andhras want separation. They bring up a resolution in the Madras Legislature. It is defeated by a majority. There ends the matter. The way of the Andhras is blocked altogether. They cannot take any further step to constitute an Andhra province." Thus Article 3 emerged in its current form.
It is the Constitutional intent that the will of the people of a region to form a separate State be the sole criterion for the Centre to initiate the process of State formation. This is the Constitutional benchmark for creating a new State for a region, as amply demonstrated in the deliberations of the Constituent Assembly and as reflected in the current phraseology of Article 3 of the Constitution of India.
This interpretation of Article 3 prevailed over creation of many new states in modern India thereby nearly doubling the number of states in the last fifty years. If not for this interpretation, Andhra State would never have formed. If India had not honored the ‘will of the people of a region to form a separate state’, there wouldn’t have been states like Mizoram, Nagaland, and Tripura, some of them composed of only two districts.
Supreme Court Verdict
A constitutional democracy also refers to legal verdicts which decide on the interpretation and set a precedent on applicability of a certain clause from Indian constitution.
Back in 1960 a Bill was introduced in the Indian Parliament proposing the formation of Maharashtra and Gujarat. This Bill was referred by the President to the State Assembly to obtain their views. Upon receiving the views, the Bill was passed in the Parliament. A petition was filed against this by Babulal Parante in High Court of Bombay:
His contention was that the said Act was passed in contravention of the provisions of Art. 3 of the Constitution, since the Legislature of Bombay had not been given an opportunity of expressing its views on the formation of the composite State. The High Court dismissed the petition.
In this case, Babulal Parante v. State of Bombay, 1960 AIR 51, 1960 SCR (1) 605, the court explains the provisions of Article 3:
The period within which the State Legislature must express its views has to be specified by the President; but the President may extend the period so specified. If, however, the period specified or extended expires and no views of the State Legislature are received, the second condition laid down in the proviso is fulfilled in spite of the fact that the views of the State Legislature have not been expressed.
The intention seems to be to give an opportunity to the State Legislature to express its views within the time allowed; if the State Legislature fails to avail itself of that opportunity, such failure does not invalidate the introduction of the Bill.
Nor is there anything in the proviso to indicate that Parliament must accept or act upon the views of the State Legislature.
Clearly, Indian Constitution envisioned a situation where a state may refuse to provide its view or provide negative views about a formation of a new state, and therefore gave full powers to Indian Parliament to go ahead with its decisions irrespective of opposition from the State Assembly.
Case of Telangana
Telangana region consisting of 10 districts was always a strong contender for a separate state from the beginning. Even in 1956, there were strong indications that it would remain a separate state. However, bowing to the pressure of the prevailing sentiments of that time it was merged with Andhra State to form Andhra Pradesh. To allay the apprehensions of Telangana people, India gave this region and its people certain ‘constitutional guarantees’ protected by a ‘regional standing committee’. All of these experiments stand failed. Telangana has erupted in a violent agitation in 1969 to be brutally suppressed. Telangana then rose in a long and sustained agitation of the last fifteen years.
On 9 Dec 2009, in one pithy statement, Home Minister of Indian Union, P Chidambaram, announced the steps towards formation of a new state in India called Telangana:
“The process of forming the state of Telangana will be initiated.”
It was one of the most ecstatic moments for people of Telangana rivaling the last one which came on 17 September 1948 when Indian forces liberated Hyderabad State from Nizam’s rule. People came out onto the streets, danced and celebrated through the night. The next day, the national and international newspapers ran the news that India gets a new state. Unlike in some democracies countries, Indian leaders have a habit of going back on their words. Little did people of Telangana realize, little did news channels realize, little did international media realize, and little did P Chidambaram himself realize, the catch was in the very next statement!
“An appropriate resolution will be moved in the Assembly.”
With the first sentence the Home Minister of India heralded a new chapter for 35 Million of Telangana supposedly ending a 54 year old struggle, and with the very next sentence he put hard brakes on that new chapter.
Instead of creating the bill for Telangana at the center, in a clear breach of the procedures proposed by Indian Constitution, he referred it directly to State Assembly. It is unfortunate that Honorable Home Minister of India did not do his homework before referring the fate of Telangana back to the State Assembly. If he had followed the proper procedure as prescribed by Indian Constitution, this region would have been spared of so much agony, frustrations, agitations, protests, and also would have avoided nearly 350 suicides of young students.
Immediately after the historic December 9th statement, a series of egregious events unfolded in the State of Andhra Pradesh. Political leaders from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema resigned en masse to adjourn the State Assembly so that no resolution on Telangana could take place. This is the third time that the majority Seemandhra region has resorted to such a tactic to subdue and suppress the interests of minority Telangana region. It is ironic that the rationale for creating Article 3 in the current form stemmed from fulfilling aspirations of Andhras to form their own state, but it is now being denied by the same region to people of Telangana.
It is clear that P Chidambaram did not follow the correct procedure. The Indian Cabinet should have created the Bill at the Center and asked the President to refer it to the Andhra Pradesh State Assembly specifying a deadline for expressing its views. If the State Assembly did not respond in time, it could still introduce it in the Parliament.
Instead of realizing his folly, the Home Minister of India reversed his Dec 9th decision and rolled back his plans for separate Telangana, thereby rewarding the majority region of Seemandhra for their unconstitutional tactic, thereby undermining the very basis on which Article 3 was created. On 23 Dec 2009, in a blatant volte face of this previous statement, P Chidambaram said:
“However, after the (Dec 9th) statement, the situation in Andhra Pradesh has altered. A large number of political parties are divided on the issue.”
“There is a need to hold wide ranging consultations with all political parties and groups in the state. Government of India will take steps to involve all concerned in the process,” he said indicating that the process for evolving all-party consensus over Telangana will have to be undertaken afresh.
Though there is a clear divide within each political party along the regional lines, P Chidambaram expects all political parties within the state to reach a consensus on such a contentious issue, without realizing that Indian Constitution does not recognize political parties as legal representatives of people. Only elected leaders are true representatives of its people. And it is clear that most of the leaders of this region, irrespective of their political affiliation, are in support of separate Telangana.
An all-party consensus is not possible in any democracy. Many bills have been passed in the Parliament though some of the political parties opposed it. Such an expectation, to get an all-party consensus in the matters of creation of states, shows political immaturity emanating from Indian Cabinet.
Step forward
Indian Government should accept that it has made a mistake in referring the issue of Telangana to Andhra Pradesh State Assembly. Now, it has to create a Bill for Telangana solely on the basis of will of the people of the region to form a state, as seen clearly from massive agitations and protests across the region, and evident from the support from elected leaders of the region irrespective of their political affiliation. President of India could then refer the Bill to Andhra Pradesh State Assembly for its views clearly specifying a deadline. If the State of Andhra Pradesh fails to comply or even votes negatively on the Bill, the President of India should still go ahead and introduce it in the Parliament understanding that Article 3 was created to protect the will of smaller region from being suppressed by majority region.
Few days back Lagadapati saying that carving the Telangana is not a easy task, our constitution needs changes to carve Telangan.
ReplyDeleteImmediately KCR said there is not constitutional changes required, the only change we required is Lagadapati's brain.
It appears to be true, they went to a extend that carving Telangan is antinational and anti constitutional. What a loosers.
Based on current political scenario it is very difficult for ruling party to initiate a bill in Parliment. So despite power central congress has it has no political will. Reasons are many fold and main one is simply it does not want lose its political base, since AP is only large state where there are chances of Congress coming to power without patners. It is also a fact that number of congress MPs from AP is make or break for UPA power in center.
ReplyDeleteOnly option for Telanganavaddis is to initiate and spread NDA (imp BJP) in state. Main reason BJP only minor base in state. Any gain for them is significant gain.
TRS is caught in struggle. Some newspapers say KCR is riding tiger(telangana sentiment), as long as he rides it he will live. Once he stops he will be eaten by it. His political alignment with central congress as power to get state is not helping him. Congress cannot make KCR hero, cos it will have effect of its base in Telangana.
Jagan is important factor looming in Telangana future for next 3 years. His base may be around 16 to 20 percent of votes in seemandra if congress takes united stand. But if congress say it will give telangana he can double his political base and probably wash congress out of seemandra. central congress does not want any reasons or factors to increase jagans power and base.
TDP likes United AP, but is not completely saying no to Telangana. CBN is trying to delay as long as possible. But that is reducing TDP base to TRS in telangana. CBN is trying his best to minimise his losses.
UPA is caught up with patners (NCP, DMK and Trinamal congress) who is not keen to divide their states.
So even if there is article 3 where is political will to use it.
SKC report:
ReplyDeleteSeparation is recommended only in case it is unavoidable and if this decision can be reached amicably amongst all the three regions.
Everyone knows the "consensus" can never be reached, How do Telangana people make Seperation "Unavoidable", May be SKC is suggesting Telangana people take the road of Gujjars and resort to violence on Settlers as the only way to obtain Statehood.
SKC report:
ReplyDeleteIt is just a report, not a bible or our constitution.
@Greenstar
ReplyDeleteConstitution is not bible too, Ammendments are made Everyday.
About year ago Prof. Haragopal said that even 3rd class student in Telangana talks about Article 3. He was right. I hope they carry on political sciences and guide country in constitutional matters.
ReplyDeleteI would like to tell our Mr. Missed-the-Nobel that this is nothing but IM, where 'I' stands for Intellectual. I cannot spell second word which is unparliamentary.
srepen already put it very aptly. On Dec 9 2009 Telangana formation started for political gains. It could not sustain as ruling party saw losses instead of gains. In other words it was like 2Rs/Kg rice scheme. It was continued only until it was financially vialble to the state. State started selling high-priced liquor in place of low-priced rice.
Constitution is no different from Standard operating procedures (SOP). The difference is the context where they are applied.
Our rational thinker must remember that constitution was amended multiple times for various purposes. Most of them for the benifit of congress party.
For them it is a sacred document when applied to other parties. But populism supercedes constitution.
Neither Article 3 nor Article 333 will help in getting Telangana.
They want statehood even if it is not necessarily in the national interest, as pointed out by the committee, True, the split is very likely to cause a setback to the growth story of Andhra Pradesh in general and Hyderabad in particular. Worse, it might give a boost to the Maoist movement. The tough choice that the Centre is being asked to make is between the reality of growth in the unified state and the hope for greater equity in the Telangana state. But then, democracy is ultimately about people, not economics.
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ReplyDelete"violence on Settlers as the only way to obtain Statehood. "
This is the reason you are getting strong protest form Andhrites.Is only andhra guys settlers? And how dare u say settlers.This is AP capital ."Out of AP" guys are settlers here not out of Telangana region.mind your words.
@Sujai and T-guys
Come out of myth that 1956 was a forceable merger.It was not.As per faizal Ali commision they asked to wait till 1961 general election and if 2/3 majority says ok than merge.And this point of time Burgula Ramakrishna said "let do the voting now and not wait untill 1961.And they got 2/3 majority".
Instead of telling the truth u always highlighted the 1/3 majority which opposed.That absolute nonsense.As someone told u go to Deccan herald archive and search for papers before commenting.
In 1978 Mr.Chenna reddy said "No need of Telangana state" what you say about that?
Instead of all this nonsense if govt of India go for 2nd SRC and let people decide where they want to stay.That solves the all state problems in India.
Sujai said option 4 given by SKC is wrong.How can you say that?Do u know what mehbubnagar,RR,Medak people wanted? Who are you too decide the fate of Mehboobnagar and Nalgond apeople's future.If Adilabad,Warangal,Karimnagar wanted to be a state let it be.I dont mind.
Other day after SKC report,Bhadrachalam people wanted to stay with Andhra since in 1956 it was with Westgodavari and not with Khamamam.What u say about this?
Your demand for separate state might be right but I feel it should depend on people of the region to decide where they want to be.Here too we will go with majority and not minority.U can't be champion/representative of whole telangana!!
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hydvoice
But then, democracy is ultimately about people, not economics.
ReplyDeleteGood one. Well said.
Constitution is not bible too, Ammendments are made Everyday.
I mean to say, we can simply trash SKC report without even giving any explanation to any one, but we can not simply trash our constitution or Bible(here Bible means the religious book that majority of the people follow .. like Kuran, Bible, Bagwhat geeta etc).
And they got 2/3 majority".
ReplyDeleteI say that information is wrong. The voting was never took place, I believe there is only a discussion.
Instead of all this nonsense if govt of India go for 2nd SRC and let people decide where they want to stay.That solves the all state problems in India.
ReplyDeleteI was in the impression that the SKC did the same job as SRC. So why do we need another SRC?
In 1978 Mr.Chenna reddy said "No need of Telangana state" what you say about that?
It is Chenna Reddy, but not the Telangana people. Just remember on what basis he was elected from people. Do you accept if our PM Mr. Singh agree to give our Kashmir to Pakistan?
Do u know what Mehbubnagar, RR, Medak people wanted?
I am from Medak. I and many of whom I talked want to be the part of Telangana state, or United Andhra but not the part of crap like UT or something else. How does the SKC concluded that Mehbubnagar, RR, Medak people wanted to be the part of HYD UT?
in 1956 it was with Westgodavari and not with Khamamam.What u say about this?
Didn't we mentioned many times tha we wanted the 1956 time Telangana? I am sure you are not living in caves.
But then, democracy is ultimately about people, not economics.
ReplyDeleteis from
Manoj Mitta's article on TOI.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms
@Green star
ReplyDeleteBut when Chenna reddy said that no one opposed it.After 1969 there was no major revolt untill KCR raised th eissue again
>>Didn't we mentioned many times tha we wanted the 1956 time Telangana?
No you haven't said that.We want Telangana state with all 10 districts.If you are living in caves I can't help.In 2004 when YSR said Bhadrachalam want to go to Andhra there was a major revolt by all parties and people.
Please read new paper to get updated.
>>How does the SKC concluded that Mehbubnagar, RR, Medak people wanted to be the part of HYD UT?
This is what I answered in my previous post.Everything goes with Majority.There was a 2 hr presentation from people of Mehboobnagar regarding this.Some one from mehboobnagar itself said this.
Please go thru the BLOG once again.
All my friends are from Nalgonda,Medak,Mehboobnagar.Max form Nalgonda.
People have their own views.4 friends of mine from Nalgonda dont want TelanganaThey are hardcore fans of Telangana.Other say lets be untied,And few are neutral.
I made it clear saying I am not against Separate state but it should be thru SRC and not with aspirations as sujai says..
since not all telanganites want telangana.
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hydvoice
Small correction in my prev post:
ReplyDeleteI said :"4 friends of mine from Nalgonda dont want TelanganaThey are hardcore fans of Telangana."
It shud be:
4 friends of mine from Nalgonda dont want Telangana.3 friends of mine from medak want Telanagana and they are hardcore fans of Telangana.
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hydvoice
It is Chenna Reddy, but not the Telangana people.
ReplyDeleteYou go on disowning everybody from Telangana political system.
Then who is representing Telangana?
Before merger too no political leader in particular organized people against merger. While sitting in Hyderabad they talked people's wish. Very few leaders came into open against merger. It was not more than some murmuring. Prof. Jayashankar published, quotes from various newspapers, many comments of Andhra leaders from 1953-56. He interpreted them as conspiracy. Incidentally most of the papers he quoted were published from Vijayawada.
But this patriarch of T movement could not produce a single newspaper comment/report/article from same period to substantiate the movement against merger. I would like remind that Deccan Chronicle and Golconda patrika are most popular newspapers in Telangana those days.
Even now can they bring out a single news item that can establish 'majority of Telangana people opposing the merger'.
No none! Bcoz there existed no specific opposition to merger. It is true that there were apprehensions especially in educated people. But it was not a majority opinion.
But when Chenna reddy said that no one opposed it.After 1969 there was no major revolt untill KCR raised th eissue again
ReplyDeleteJust we weeks back the agitation was crushed brutally by killing over 350 people, when people tried by political method they were again betrayed, in that situation what do you expect? Dont say untill KCR raised..... KCR stared raising it from 2000, remember people never supported him enough till they make up there mind in 2009.
After 1969 there was no major revolt untill KCR raised th eissue again
even though all major political parties accepted the TG formation, there was no major revolt from SA side till Chidambaram statement, how do you understand it? Do you think that too fake?
No you haven't said that.We want Telangana state with all 10 districts.
Few villages(talukas?) merged into TG districts after the formation of AP. You are talking about 2004 YSR news, I am talking about many statements issued by many recently, that we want telangan which existed just before the merge. Few of SA ignorants even made fun of that statement saying 1956 Telangan includes few places from Maharastra and Karnataka.
Please read new paper to get updated.
So, you say you read news papers but never heard that we demanded 1956 Telangan. How funny ....
There was a 2 hr presentation from people of Mehboobnagar regarding this.
I too can to go SKC saying I am the representations of people of Medak. We heard many news about how SA gangs disguised of TG people and submitted report against TG formation. It is funny you are asking me to go thru the blog, I am here from past one year, thanks for your suggestion (even though it is no use of me).
Other say lets be untied,And few are neutral.
That is why we show our strength by demonstrating. Dont compare a 2000 people United Andhra Garjana, with over 20laks Separate Telangan Garjana.
it should be thru SRC
Our leaders didn't respect the first SRC recommendations, what makes you think that they do now?
Small correction in my prev post:
ReplyDeleteI understood before I read your correction.
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM6daTQRJg8
ReplyDeleteA chronology of 100 days of Student Protests in OU
@Sujai
ReplyDeleteYou did not mention how Chattisgarh, Utterakhand and Jarkhand are formed. All of them of formed only after state legislatures approved with majority.
Current UPA government thought they can do the same thing, since all political parties were supporting telangana state before December 9th. After dec 9th things got reversed. None of the political parties really expected resistance. This was shocking for all those party leaders. Now UPA government does not want to give, unless the bill is approved in the state or people of telangana become more violent or congress party cannot form government in state.
Only way telangana can be formed is congress MLAs stop supporting the any state government if telangana bill is not introduced (passed/failed - it does not matter) in 10 days of the government is formed.
Ref:
Creation of Chattisgarh
http://www.chhattisgarh.nic.in/profile/corigin.htm
Jharkhand history
http://jharkhand.nic.in/history.htm
Uttaranchal
http://www.euttaranchal.com/uttaranchal/uttaranchal_formation_milestones.php
Check Chattisgarh, Uttaranchal and Jharkhand formation information.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chhattisgarh.nic.in/profile/corigin.htm#history
http://www.euttaranchal.com/uttaranchal/uttaranchal_formation_milestones.php
http://jharkhand.nic.in/history.htm
I hope this time my comments are not deleted.
I too can to go SKC saying I am the representations of people of Medak. We heard many news about how SA gangs disguised of TG people and submitted report against TG formation
ReplyDeleteThis is real problem with T-vaadis today. Anyone capable of speaking and writing makes claim on behalf of all 4 crore Telanganas (even here some confusion about actual number of settlers and their views).
What is the majority opinion in democracy?
A few loud-mouthed slogan shouters or Lakhs of people attending rallies?
If so (unfortunately) Jagan commands wish of majority.
Elections?
There are always kaaki-lekkalu about vote got by TRS. Here too vote MIM taking stand for Unity is discarded. Voice of muslims was represented (as per T-vaadis) some unknown islamic outfit.
During my college days there were some caste clashes. Police were in campus guarding the hostels. Students of one group went to Principal and complained that police consists of members from other castes only and they should be removed. My principal told them "Get lost! I cannot ask for police from America or some other country."
You did not mention how Chattisgarh, Utterakhand and Jarkhand are formed. All of them of formed only after state legislatures approved with majority.
ReplyDeleteUnfair to ask this our Mr. Missed-the-nobel. There is nothing outside his great mind. He know what is needed and when.
BTW, wait for a day or two. You will hear matter from this blog from KTR or Harishrao.
All of them of formed only after state legislatures approved with majority.
ReplyDeleteSo, what you are saying is, majority of those states are happy about there states splitting. Isn't sounds ridiculous?
Unfair to ask this our Mr. Missed-the-nobel.
Personal attacks means frustration. :)
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ReplyDeleteThis is real problem with T-vaadis today.
If so, then you cant prove the support for United Andhra or HYD UT too. And its also difficult to prove Pakistan is our enemy.
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There are always kaaki-lekkalu about vote got by TRS.
Why do you want to count TRS votes as the Telangana supporters count?
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some unknown islamic outfit.
So, you want to listen the Muslims opinion only if they express thru a islamic outfit, but you want to reject if they come forward independently or by TRS/TDP/Congress etc.
I am actually reposting what I posted before. At cursory glance looks like Sujai's long article reaffirms the same.
ReplyDelete1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.
2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.
3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".
4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.
5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.
6. So what's the way out?
Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.
I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.
http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html
So the issue here is that the "state assembly should at least exist to give their opinion". Unless it is tabled in the state assembly the issue of "period to expire" does not kick in (or in other words if the assembly does not exist then president cannot send it to the state.
So it may end up being a series of resignations and elections till option 4 in some form (may not be exact) kicks in.
Already we are hearing congress MPs suggesting that joint capital status for Hyd is ok kinds in some discussions. Maybe that will be a way out. Who knows?
1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method. There is no doubt about that.
ReplyDelete2. The bill needs to be tabled (as in discussed) in the state assembly. irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for a positive vote but like Sujai says "views" need to be taken of the assembly. This step is an essential part of Article 3.
3. Of course the president can give a timeline and go ahead if the timeline has expired but that is possible only if the state assembly/legislature EXISTS.
And we have seen that guys are capable of ensuring that the "state legislature" does not exist to fulfill the procedure post Dec 9th.
4. Given the present politicsthings can happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".
5. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.
6. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.
7. So what's the way out?
Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.
I think we are headed that way. And Sujais article above reiterates the same.
We should add a few more things to that
1. The bill has to be approved by the cabinet which is unlikely in the first place.
2. I think SUjai is being very nice to Chidambaram by saying that the "second sentence" of passing resolution was by ignorance. I dont think Chidambaram is such a fool. I am very sure Chidambaram fully knew what he was doing and he had put it for a way out if it so demanded.
So finally like SUjai always keeps saying what is needed is a political solution. And politics is the art of the possible.
ReplyDeleteSo in this case what is possible?
Option 4 with a joint capital status. I already hear some Congress MPs speaking in the direction of joint capital.
I would like to know the views of Sujai on joint capital. What are the objections you have to that Sujai? A UT with joint capital with a share of revenue for all the three or two regions.
After a long time, I see a post by Sujai that makes a lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteHere's how I see it:
1.Chidambaram in his Dec 9 statement is going by recent conventions in state formation.Every one knows that Art.3 does not mandate the approval of state legislature.But as a best practice, we have seen state legislatures passing a bill or making a resolution, and then Parliament following it up with the actual bill, which would go into lot many details than the one in state legislature.
2.However, UPA could have simply passed the bill in Parliament if it was confident of sufficient support.I don't think they are confident about it because BJP and others will then demand separate statehood for Vidharbha etc. and muddy the waters.Also, if Seemandhra MPs are against it, UPA govt will face a crisis and may find it difficult to survive.So, unless there is a consensus, UPA doesn't see any political value in introducing a bill.
3.How do we arrive at a consensus? The SKC report suggests a few options, but none of the options seem to be acceptable to all. The right way forward then is for the leaders of the state to get together and work out an option that would satisfy every one.It is here that KCR's lack of credibility and Chandra Babu's confusion about strategy are hurting the issue.Of course, if it is just KCR's credibility all of us would have found some other leader to negotiate with. There is also the question of narrow but vocal interests (Madigas, Muslims, tribals, Telangana congress leaders et al).
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ReplyDelete4.With so many interests across Telanagana and Seemandhra, the failure of AP's leaders to act as statesmen is very disheartening.It would have been a golden opportunity for CBN, especially after YSR's demise, to rise to the occasion, convene a series of meetings, propose a solution acceptable to most, and then canvass for it throughout the state.Any such solution will have both sides agreeing to some kind of give and take.Sadly, when history beckoned, CBN looked the other way and did a dereliction of duty of sorts.He is expecting power to come to him coz of Congress imploding itself.
5.YS Jagan had a chance too, and may be still has a chance to play statesman, if his advisors are the right people.But so far, he too is intent on just the CM kursi and not showing any initiative to solve the issue.
6.And of course, the dumb and nauseating strategy of some elements in Telangana resorting to violence, threatening Seemandhra folks, lawyers not respecting judiciary etc has queered the situation and increased the divide among people.Ultimately, these strategies are never going to achieve statehood for Telangana.
What next?
Large scale violence in Telangana will result in President's Rule and state-sponsored violence on the agitators.
Only a negotiated settlement between reliable political leaders and/or accomplished citizens (Chukka Ramaiah kind of people), will result in a consensus.
Yes, a consensus is possible.And it is the only option as well. So, if you want Telangana, your task is cut out.
@Greenstar,
ReplyDeletePersonal attacks means frustration. :)
IMO, Sujai deserves it, and even more, after chosing to "Blame All Andhras". He demonstrated his arrogance more than once with "do your home work", "naiveity", "do not type away" etc.
If so, then you cant prove the support for United Andhra or HYD UT too. And its also difficult to prove Pakistan is our enemy.
Same non-sense again and again. Onus of proof lies in accusor not accused.
Why do you want to count TRS votes as the Telangana supporters count?
Agreed. But tell us the democratic forum in which majority voiced for separate Telangana?
Wait! Avoid political slogans "naalugu kotla....". Be specific.
So, you want to listen the Muslims opinion only if they express ...
I am not rejecting views/opinions of individuals. But their claims of representing entire comunity.
I am referring to the clash between Damodar reddy and some Muslims leaders on HM TV Dasa-disa on 7th.
When Damodar reddy raised that MIM did not support separate Telangana, some leader talked as if MIM does not represent muslims.
Instead he claims a handful sitting in the meeting represent views of Hyderabad muslims.
Large scale violence in Telangana will result in President's Rule and state-sponsored violence on the agitators.
ReplyDeleteYour wishful thinking... This is not a possibility.
You seem to believe that Telangana people will go about burning their own houses to attract attention. You are grossly mistaken. It was proven fact that even during the 2009 agitations, the elements contributing to burning buses were NOT STUDENTS... they were not even T-Agitators. Added, some film industry folks contributed to burning their own OLD SETS to claim insurance (as they were getting a raw deal at the theaters due to bad movie releases).
If you are pining your hopes on President's rule "because of T-agitations getting violent"... keep hoping and wishing... coz IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
@Telangana Bidda:
ReplyDeleteI am not wishing for violence or President's Rule. I don't mind the status quo as a unified AP. But there is a genuine Telangana movement, and I am interested in a solution that results in a peaceful division of the state.
Do you have a good proposal for a solution?
don't think they are confident about it because BJP and others will then demand separate statehood for Vidharbha etc. and muddy the waters.
ReplyDeleteThe BJP leadership has already made public announcement on their stand regarding other statehood demands.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/telangana-yes-but-src-should-study-other-demands-bjp/articleshow/7247094.cms
Congress has the 'Consensus' needed at national level. Even CPI is on board.
http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/07/stories/2011010766981600.htm
Chances for a T-State have never been better than this.
Congress knows that Andhra and Seema regions have always been strong holds of TDP. Their only hope is to salvage Telangana from the current turmoil... and they would be history's biggest fools if they lack that basic political-assessment.
Do you have a good proposal for a solution?
ReplyDeleteTelangana State is an in-evitable reality. The question is not HOW or WHY... it is of WHEN.
The way I see it, the carving out of T-State will follow the Maharashtra-Gujarat model. UPA will do it before they step down.
If for some reason UPA falls before they accomplish it, they would have lost a golden opportunity.
NDA would then do it in their next stunt at the center.
So.... UPA or NDA... in 2011 or in 2014.... Telangana is inevitable.
The other variation? "How sympathetic would the center be to the Seemandhra's new capital?". It is a widely known truth that UPA would be able to grant Seemandhra a better package in 2011. If this issue drags to 2014, NDA will care less.
Congress doesnt want the STATUS QUO, Status quo is only helping Jagan and KCR, Congress knows it has to Make a Choice TG or SeemAndhra. TDP has already lost Ground in TG, If Congress gives TG even after a Drama like that of the Hunger Strike for student cases , Congress will have good Chances in TG and No competetion from TDP and they even may Have an Alliance with TRS, very clear and Possible Scenario. IF they form alliance with TRS chances are that they can corner all 17 MP seats.
ReplyDeleteIn SeemAndhra they have to compete with Jagan, TDP,PRP for the Share of Same Pie, even if they give or wont give telangana , the Chances are they wont get more than 10 MP seats out of the total 25.
Also, if Seemandhra MPs are against it, UPA govt will face a crisis and may find it difficult to survive.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very widely spread 'beware' news.
Here is some reality check to it:
If the Seemandhra MPs resign, two things will happen in the current political scenario:
1. UPA govt falls.
2. NDA wins next election because of a serious anti-incumbency wave in the country. (Congress has 20% approval rate in polls today).
So.... Seremandhra MPs would be leading their way into un-employment for the next 5 yrs if they choose to resign now.
Most of the MPs who resign now will lose their seats to TDP and Jagan.
Added, the survivors will sit in Opposition.
Another simple fact... no MP makes money sitting in the opposition.
There is no incentive for the Seemandhra MPs to resign following a Telangana Bill in the parliament.
In case they do decide to resign, they will find themselves unemployed or in opposition in the next Lok Sabha.
Rumors that Congress is palnning to Buy Time by making a Telangana person as CM, but TG people wont budge because they know what their Home Minister Chevalla chelley did for them.
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Maybe this is the answer/solution Kumar Narasimha that can be explored. Sounds very much like option 4 though.
A good solution would be to make Hyderabad the capital exclusively of Telangana. But it should have a city government in which all the local people participate. This would substantially meet divergent sub-regional expectations.
There are precedents like Trieste, an ethnically distinct region, over which Italy and Slovenia shared sovereignty, and Hong Kong, where China created a Special Administrative Region in 1997 while taking it over from Britain.
Can the centre summon up the courage to embrace such unorthodox solutions? That's hard to say. But it's clear that the alternative is chaos and bloodletting.
Praful Bidwai is an eminent Indian columnist.
@ sera:
ReplyDeleteWhat praful Bidwai proposed is not a UT out of Hyderabad. He proposed a City govt. for Hyderabad while it serves as the capital city to Telangana.
In lay man's terms, he proposes that Hyderabad have a GHMC. News to you, Hyderabad already has a GHMC in which all local citizens participate.
Never the less, it is an acceptable solution to all Telangana people, including those in Hyderabad worried about their own future.
@ Telangana Bidda
ReplyDeleteWhat Praful Bidwai suggested like Hong Kong is a city state which means a separate state of Hyderabad.
Of course I stand corrected on drawing the UT parallel.
And like you said, it could be an acceptable solution. An enlarged metropolis of Hyderabad like the fourth option with a separate status seems to be the only unorthodox solution or a joint capital with UT status.
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=15745
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Another CRS, which has been demanded by many, may open the floodgates. What the country does not seem to realise yet is that new demands are primarily an assertion of caste, not language. The scheduled castes and the scheduled tribes, the backward classes and the minorities have their own aspirations for political space, economic development and reservation benefits. This observation is borne out by the clear caste divisions witnessed among the Telangana joint action groups, including those on the Osmania University campus. The violence witnessed before the formation of linguistic states in the early 50s may engulf the country once again. It is already grappling with the problems of corruption and communalism and not doing a good job.
Unity or integration of a country does neither depend on raising slogans nor on chastising people who want to opt out because they are maltreated and denied what a dominant group in a state enjoys as its right. This leads to desperation and people come to have faith in extremism. In some cases, the ethnic cleansing is considered a way out. Small evidence is visible on the border of Meghalaya and Assam where people speaking other languages have been pushed out of territories.
Societies have to have a sense of accommodation and spirit of tolerance if they have to live together peacefully. It is the integrity of a nation on which the future is centered. Communities of different hues and different thinking are the limbs of a nation, not the nation by themselves. That the limbs should be healthy and strong is in the interest of the country. But they cannot supplant the nation.
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=15745
ReplyDeleteOne more nice article
Another CRS, which has been demanded by many, may open the floodgates. What the country does not seem to realise yet is that new demands are primarily an assertion of caste, not language. The scheduled castes and the scheduled tribes, the backward classes and the minorities have their own aspirations for political space, economic development and reservation benefits. This observation is borne out by the clear caste divisions witnessed among the Telangana joint action groups, including those on the Osmania University campus. The violence witnessed before the formation of linguistic states in the early 50s may engulf the country once again. It is already grappling with the problems of corruption and communalism and not doing a good job.
Unity or integration of a country does neither depend on raising slogans nor on chastising people who want to opt out because they are maltreated and denied what a dominant group in a state enjoys as its right. This leads to desperation and people come to have faith in extremism. In some cases, the ethnic cleansing is considered a way out. Small evidence is visible on the border of Meghalaya and Assam where people speaking other languages have been pushed out of territories.
Societies have to have a sense of accommodation and spirit of tolerance if they have to live together peacefully. It is the integrity of a nation on which the future is centered. Communities of different hues and different thinking are the limbs of a nation, not the nation by themselves. That the limbs should be healthy and strong is in the interest of the country. But they cannot supplant the nation.
@Sera:
ReplyDeleteApart from the fact that Praful Bidwai got some of his facts wrong, I am afraid his solution may not be acceptable to Samaikyandhra people.
Just had a lunch time conversation with 4 of my colleagues- from various parts of Telangana.And they are very young too - around 23-26.I asked them how the movements is in their towns and villages (Kamareddy, Nalgonda, Kodada, and Khazipet).And surprised to hear from them that they don't perceive the movement to be strong at all.I pressed further and they conceded that in Jan 2010 it was indeed very strong because every one believed that Telangana is just round the corner. But now, it looks like people have lost/fast losing the enthusiasm and hope.
Of course, these are just 4 pvt sector employees and they don't expect any change or benefits of having a separate state.But interestingly, they also seemed to have more trust on the fairness of SKC report than on the statements of Telangana JAC leaders.
Coming to the solution proposed by Praful Bidwai, I think he means a directly elected govt for Greater Hyderabad, with increased powers of taxation and usage of taxes. But I am not sure how it will alleviate the concerns of the so called 'settlers'.The city will not have its own police force, that has to come from Telangana state police.What is the guarantee for the safety of the non-Telangana people and their properties? Can the Union govt station paramilitary forces forever in the city or raise a few battalions of police specifically for the city? Also, will Hyd be a free zone, even while being a capital of Telangana? How are we going to get the funds to build a new capital city for Seemandhra?
But if Telangana formation is a must, then Seemandhra will need its own capital city.And the funds will have to come from the budget/reserves of the current unified state.
And, about the river water sharing, may be we need to have a Krishna River Authority and a Godavari River Authority - instead of leaving it to the state govt/s to sort out.
I am sure most Seemandhras will not really mind a division of the state if the issues of Hyderabad and river water sharing are sorted out through negotiations in a friendly atmosphere.But to make the negotiations happen, we need tall leaders and there has to be some concessions from both sides.Sadly, our leaders are all a bunch of crooks, and our students are dumb enough to commit suicides and/or destroy public property.And our journalists are lazy and cynical to boot.
The last hope should be the educated middle class of AP.But this blog site is showing us the calibre of our educated middle class- we like to criticise and abuse the person and shout slogans instead of having a problem solving approach.
Only time will heal these wounds, I guess.
One more article from http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=409524&version=1&template_id=40&parent_id=22
ReplyDeleteWhat stands out in the Srikrishna Committee’s report is its sagacity in debunking certain dubious and time-worn theories that were in circulation. Its extensive analysis of the socio-economic parameters of all regions of Andhra Pradesh does not reveal any material evidence to treat the Telangana region as particularly backward – the main reason behind the demand for a separate state. The report shows that Rayalaseema, a region rich in mineral resources, is more backward than Telangana. The growth in per capita Gross District level Domestic Product (GDDP) between 2000-01 and 2007-08 was 58.4% in all of Andhra Pradesh, while it was 63% in Telangana including Hyderabad, 60.3% excluding Hyderabad, 58% in Rayalaseema and 54.1% in Coastal Andhra.
This in itself should be reason enough for the Centre to move slowly on any division plans. But the committee is pragmatic in acknowledging that the demand for Telangana is not unjustified. It also does not flinch in saying that a separate Telangana state would be viable economically as its Gross Domestic State Product (GDP) would be above that of even smaller states such as Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh, though this was a neutral factor in its decision-making relating to Telangana. Telangana’s per capita income would in fact be a notch higher than the all-India average. The committee also puts the record straight on the extent of support in Telangana for a bifurcation of the state. Strong pro-Telangana elements exist in Warangal, West Khammam, Nizamabad, Karimnagar, southern Adilabad, Siddipet area of Medak, parts of Nalgonda and Mahabubnagar and some areas of Ranga Reddy.
The committee finds an appreciable segment of the population is neutral. It includes the original population of Hyderabad; people living in villages bordering Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh, Karnataka, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema; people from the ‘settler’ villages in the Telangana heartland (migrants from Andhra); and the migrant population in Hyderabad. A large section of the tribal people, particularly those belonging to the hill tribes, even favour a separate state of ‘Manyaseeema’ comprising parts of Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra.
That's us - the original population of Hyderabad.
And we want Option 4.
@ Kumar Narsimha,
ReplyDeleteWhile it is interesting and amusing to know that you took the time to speak to some co-workers from Telangana, your sample for opinion-poll is miniscule and a far cry even for elections in a small colony of 50 families.
The sentiment for Telangana is very strong, stronger than ever before in the history of Telangana. What do you think is stealing the sleep of our T-Congress and tdp MLAs?
@ sera:
ReplyDeleteThat's us - the original population of Hyderabad.
And we want Option 4
And you can keep wishing for it.
The 4 crores of Telangana people have only one acceptable outcome: Telangana, only Telangana and not an inch less than Telangana. We will continue to strive for decades, and if needed, centuries...
Wish you luck with your option 4.
The last hope should be the educated middle class of AP.But this blog site is showing us the calibre of our educated middle class- we like to criticise and abuse the person and shout slogans instead of having a problem solving approach.
ReplyDeleteYour first sentence expresses your expectations....
Your second sentence shows you fail to meet your own expectations.
Good try, not there yet... better luck next time.
@ sera
ReplyDeleteAn enlarged metropolis of Hyderabad like the fourth option with a separate status seems to be the only unorthodox solution or a joint capital with UT status.
Option 4 is not acceptable to Telangana people... for the same reason that Option 2 was rejected by SKC. It is not an option on the table as people of Nalgonda, Medak and Mahboob Nagar will never accept parting from Telangana to be a part of a UT. Farmers gain from being in a state where their voices are heard, policies are made to help them with their issues... not from a UT governed by a President who has no touch with the common farmer in the village.
Infact, many educated people understand the problems with being in a Union Territory.
Laws enforced in Delhi as long as it was a Union Territory, were so strict.... that if applied, half of the multiplexes in Hyderabad would be razed to ground within a year. Added, any property can be purchased by the authorities for any reason... and if you resist, you would be resisting the first citizen of the nation's orders... implies, you will face the wrath.
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=15745
ReplyDeleteOne more nice article
Another CRS, which has been demanded by many, may open the floodgates. What the country does not seem to realise yet is that new demands are primarily an assertion of caste, not language. The scheduled castes and the scheduled tribes, the backward classes and the minorities have their own aspirations for political space, economic development and reservation benefits. This observation is borne out by the clear caste divisions witnessed among the Telangana joint action groups, including those on the Osmania University campus. The violence witnessed before the formation of linguistic states in the early 50s may engulf the country once again. It is already grappling with the problems of corruption and communalism and not doing a good job.
Unity or integration of a country does neither depend on raising slogans nor on chastising people who want to opt out because they are maltreated and denied what a dominant group in a state enjoys as its right. This leads to desperation and people come to have faith in extremism. In some cases, the ethnic cleansing is considered a way out. Small evidence is visible on the border of Meghalaya and Assam where people speaking other languages have been pushed out of territories.
Societies have to have a sense of accommodation and spirit of tolerance if they have to live together peacefully. It is the integrity of a nation on which the future is centered. Communities of different hues and different thinking are the limbs of a nation, not the nation by themselves. That the limbs should be healthy and strong is in the interest of the country. But they cannot supplant the nation.
>>I already hear some Congress MPs speaking in the direction of joint capital.
ReplyDeleteYou hear many things which no one hear. For example, majority want HYD UT, majority in Medak, xxxx want to join HYD, majority in HYD want to join pakistan ....etc etc. Looks like you come here immediately after you woke up from deep sleep.
>>I already hear some Congress MPs speaking in the direction of joint capital.
ReplyDeleteYou hear many things which no one hear. For example, majority want HYD UT, majority in Medak, xxxx want to join HYD, majority in HYD want to join pakistan ....etc etc. Looks like you come here immediately after you woke up from deep sleep.
Interesting. Check out MP Vivek's talk for that joint capital thing. Looks like you people are too deaf and blind to see anything.
Amusing too is the desperation to prove facts wrong and to want something while not accepting that others may want something else on the same base logical grounds.
Anyway so go expectations.
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ReplyDeleteBut tell us the democratic forum in which majority voiced for separate Telangana?
You are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
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Onus of proof lies in accusor not accused.
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
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Avoid political slogans "naalugu kotla....". Be specific.
3,59,421 ....
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I am referring to the clash between Damodar reddy and some Muslims leaders
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements. If so, there is also no single voice from the United Andhra camp. MIM doesnt represent all muslims in AP or Telangana, end of the discussion.
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ReplyDeleteAmusing too is the desperation to prove facts wrong and to want something while not accepting that others may want something else on the same base logical grounds.
you proved it very well in your HYD-UT case.
:)
@T-Bidda,
ReplyDelete"You seem to believe that Telangana people will go about burning their own houses to attract attention. You are grossly mistaken."
That might not be entirely correct...
There is a possibility that the violence might escalate,with the media blackout....
As a strategy the students are right when they employ such tactics to get media's attention...since they have no other way to reach out to the general public...
It is not WHAT they do,it is WHY they are doing it,that the people need to understand....
"Option 4 is not acceptable to Telangana people... for the same reason that Option 2 was rejected by SKC."
ReplyDeletePeople like Sera and pok have fooilishly argued in favour of a UT option,without understanding it's implications...
They offer political solutions,and neglect it's geographical,cultural and economic side-effects...
"It is not an option on the table as people of Nalgonda, Medak and Mahboob Nagar will never accept parting from Telangana to be a part of a UT. Farmers gain from being in a state where their voices are heard, policies are made to help them with their issues... not from a UT governed by a President who has no touch with the common farmer in the village."
Well concluded....
"Infact, many educated people understand the problems with being in a Union Territory.'
I have been asking Sera and POK to explain the theory of wanting Hyderabad for a UT,and neither has come out with any reasonable arguments in its favour....(If one can discount the copy paste options they use of other reports)
and lastly,
ReplyDeleteWELCOME BACK ;-)
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ReplyDelete"People like Sera and pok have fooilishly argued in favour of a UT option,without understanding it's implications..."
I think they act foolish but not fools. What "sara" want is Telangana should not get HYD, for that he/she accept any kind of crappy proposals in which Telangan forms without HYD. I dont surprise if he/she even go to such extend where she/he agree to give HYD to Pakistan to make sure Telangan will not get it at any cost.
One more article from http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=409524&version=1&template_id=40&parent_id=22
ReplyDeleteWhat stands out in the Srikrishna Committee’s report is its sagacity in debunking certain dubious and time-worn theories that were in circulation. Its extensive analysis of the socio-economic parameters of all regions of Andhra Pradesh does not reveal any material evidence to treat the Telangana region as particularly backward – the main reason behind the demand for a separate state.
Original is published in THE HINDU.
http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/08/stories/2011010864951400.htm
Which is the basis for an article on this blog:
Intellectual Dishonesty
From:
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The SKC report says “Telangana experienced a long history of oppressive feudal rule which shaped the character of the people and also generated the resistance to it. Telangana people are often considered subservient and lazy and they feel that coastal Andhra people exercise a “veiled contempt” towards them.” Can any academic well-versed in history, sociology actually stereotype that a group of people are lazy and subservient! This is a stereotype propagated by chauvinist Andhrites and the SKC has got its report ghost-written by them. Nothing else explains this scandal.
In fact while discussing how Telanganites are stereotyped in Telugu movies, this is what the report says – “The question of stereotyping and “being looked down upon” or “made fun of” is not peculiar to Telangana – unfortunately such stereotypes abound in all societies and are subject to change as the fortunes of such groups and sections of society improve. The self-confidence has to come from within and cannot be legislated or dictated by policy.” The last statement is again a pedestrian observation. How can a group of academics say that a people of a particular region lack self-confidence! Does that mean that Tamils lack self-confidence because Hindi movies make fun about them? Or that Jews lacked self-confidence in Hitler’s Germany when they were butt of all jokes!? It is an embarrassment for this country that these are ‘observations’ of a central government’s team of ‘experts’. Do we need further proof about who actually wrote the report?
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By Aniketh
The week so far has been hectic with the doctored committee report and all protests detesting it and the dramas by both the TDP and Congress leaders. In midst of all this, a question that pops up- What’s Next? We, the people of Telangana have seen committees, assurances, and agreements. We have also seen them go down the drain faster than they were conjured up. The high handedness of dealing with revolt of Telangana in 1969 as well as in the present scenario reminds of the time of the yore when Indians revolted against British. At the end of it all, when we do get our beloved state, it will be nothing short of Independence. The events in the struggle in the aftermath of the merger with Andhra has parallels with our own Indian fight for Independence.
Before the Roman conquest, the Brits were a bunch of savage, near naked, people. During that time, India(or the kingdoms that made up present India) was arguably the richest place on earth, and was a treasure trove of intellect, history and commerce. Prior to the merger, Andhrites, though educated, suffered at the hands of british and after Independence, were kicked around by tamils. At the same time, people of Telangana, though laid back, were hard working and were living under the richest man in the world. (It is generally believed that Nizam was left alone by the British because of his sheer wealth)
While the British, came to India for business purposes and quickly took over the nation, the Andhra elite used linguistic basis(One Language) for merger of Telangana and Andhra.The Brits aware of the feuds between the kingdoms and provinces then, used them to their advantage. They’d pay up incentives to the traitors for those lands. Similarly, knowing the naives of Telangana people, Andhra elite took over and dangled the carrot of ministries to our traitors.The province of Bengal was developed by the British and when there were revolts, the British used the famous Hindu-Muslim divide for suppressing them. This is strikingly similar in the case of Hyderabad. This marvelous city, known to be highly secular, was used to stage a similar Hindu-Muslim divide in the form of communal riots.
India, on the whole saw the advent of Rail, post and other innovations under the Brits. But then most of these were used for building the English empire rather than Indians. Telangana, or Hyderabad to be particular was colonized by the Andhrites and its resources used to develop their regions, neglecting us. The police firing in the 1969 Telangana uprising, mirrors that of the General Dyers mass massacre in Punjab.
It is often said that India might not have been what it is today, hadn’t Gandhi been thrown out of the first class carriage in South Africa. Gandhi was a witness to the persecution of the Indians, but was unable to do anything. It was the incident in South Africa, that awakened him and he led the country towards Independence. Though alone, he would lead nearly a quarter billion hearts of Indians to the footsteps of England. When we was adamant, he was rebuked, when he revolted, he was arrested. During one meet in London, Churchill asked. ” You are a half naked mole. How do you think you represent India? To which Gandhiji replied. ” It is this half naked mole that you have, yourself invited to England. It is the people and the land behind this half naked mole, that you are scared to let go off.
With all the respects to Gandhiji, KCR does not fall into his league. But then he is the man who has rekindled that spirit in us again. KCR, a man who talked about United state a decade ago, awakened to the reality of Telangana only after Naidu repulsed him. Today, he is the leader most talked about, most hated and most followed. He commands a position where in leaders from other parties consult before making a move. In spite of all the jokes about him (or his nose) it is an accepted fact that KCR embodies Telangana.
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ReplyDeleteThen there are the martyrs. The great people who laid down their lives, for a cause, which they felt they’d never see. While there is no accurate figure for martyrs in Indian independence struggle, the number could be well over a hundred thousand. This does not include people who were maimed for life following the police atrocities. In relation to Telangana, the number of martyrs borders a thousand.(Media reports never give the actual picture.) While the concept of the martyrs is not to be happy about, the people deserve the credit for taking a bold step.
The police in India and their laws were constituted by the British. This force was basically built to suppress agitations by the Indians. This law had not changed and the then government in Andhra Pradesh(1969) and the present government used it to maximum effect. It was successful in 1969. However, with more voluntary participation from the masses this time around, the effect has been minimal. It were the students and the extremist, who lead from the front for Indian Independence. Similarly, students across the region are fighting for a separate state. They have been instrumental in keeping the fire burning and spirit alive.
The samaikhyawadis, remind me of a lot of British elite. They could never digest the fact that they would loose India.( It was the fortune from India that drove English empire and the entrepreneurs in England). The fear of loosing Hyderabad and the loot from Telangana, created panic in few Andhra elite who then instigated the students to take up the nonsensical “Samaikhyandhra” slogan. In between all this MIM leaders are like the remnants of Jinnah who divided the nation in terms of religion. MIM, using religion, is shutting up the true aspirations of the people and confusing others.
A report in London in the year 1929, remarks “Even though Indians crave for Independence, it is a better proposition to remain under Her Majesty, taking into consideration the benefit and well-being of the British empire. India, as a whole is not at a stage to take on the effects of the great war(World War I). It would be foolhardy to let a few revolts get the better of a wonderful administration which has helped in the development of the region.If the demand are acceded to, similar uprisings in other colonies would arise.” This was submitted on behalf of Lord Irwin to Her Majesty, who had ordered a look into the matter of Indian Independence. After this report was published and given to the Indian Congress in Lahore Session in 1929, the call for PURNA SWARAJ came through. A civil disobedience movement was launched. A resolution was adopted, where in the day of January 26,1930 would be celebrated as Independence day.
The summary above is similar to the one submitted to the Center week,where it states “though there is justification for a separate Telangana, keeping in mind the national perspective, it is better to keep the state united.” Thats what i call a full circle.
In the year 1943, the then Governor General of India, Sir Archibald Wavell commented ” England needs to think about India, and leave India for good. This would be good for India, and even better for England”. This comment came from a man who was at the head of the Indian regiment in Libya and was defeated by the Germans in the year 1941.
Waiting to hear similar words from a “Samaikhyawadi” leader.
@Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYour article was well written and covered most of the points that we try to explain to several anonymous writers here...
I noticed that some people here romanticise numbers and statistics more than their senses.
So,maybe if you had added a little number crunch explaining why the GOI stood back on it's promise,it would have nailed it...(Since they so depended on A.P's numbers to form the government)
P.S:
I think Chidambaram being a lawyer,would think a thousand times ,before making a statement of that amplitude...
He took the fall for the UPA government,which just came out of the N.Bill crises...
Lavanya:
ReplyDeleteSo,maybe if you had added a little number crunch explaining why the GOI stood back on it's promise,it would have nailed it...(Since they so depended on A.P's numbers to form the government)
Makes sense.
Will do.
Its amusing to see that while I present articles from national media you (sujai) present it from sites like a blog and simplytelangan.com
ReplyDeleteOf course not to disagree that blogs etc are the new media. But yet?
Come to think of it, it sounds like a football boy's drinking club sitting after a match and blaming the referee.
Interesting. Hope I am wrong and all the national media I read is also too. Best of luck.
Its amusing to see that while I present articles from national media you (sujai) present it from sites like a blog and simplytelangan.com
ReplyDeleteOf course not to disagree that blogs etc are the new media. But yet?
Come to think of it, it sounds like a football boy's drinking club sitting after a match and blaming the referee.
Interesting. Hope I am wrong and all the national media I read is also too. Best of luck.
sera:
ReplyDeleteIts amusing to see that while I present articles from national media you (sujai) present it from sites like a blog and simplytelangan.com
It is a little bit of narcissistic view that my actions are a direct result of what you do on this blog!
;-)
It is a little bit of narcissistic view that my actions are a direct result of what you do on this blog!
ReplyDeleteThat put a smile on me. Nice way to put it. Sort of actually corrects me. My actions are actually in some way part of what you do on this blog (of course it is yours).
Na that does not make you narcissistic. But in a very ulysses joycean way it does make me. :)
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ReplyDelete"Waiting to hear similar words from a “Samaikhyawadi” leader."
I said that many times, మేము నిండా మునిగాము, మాతో పాటు మీరు మునగాలంటే .. మీ ఇష్టం. అని
First they need to stop that 'United Andhra' drama crap and start talking about what they want. First they need to come into reality and understand that there is no 'United Andhra' movement only 'Separate Andhra' movement and 'We want HYD for SA' movement only. They have a better time now to bargain much from UPA. If time goes bad for them and BJP comes into power with super majority, they dont care a bit about SA concerns when they carve. Even they listen, Andhra will be around 5-10 years behind building there new capital.
I am sure all this apposition for Telangan created by Industrialists from SA. I believe, the big businesses like Ramoji city, Jayabheri etc are built against the Gentlemen Agreement, and they fear of loosing them if Telangana formed.
Yestereday, there is a massive agitation (more people than the any United Andhra movement so far) in Tirupati, asking for saperate Seema state, they dont want to to stay with either Andhra or Telangana. So much for 'United Andhra' and 'HYD UT' bands.
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ReplyDelete"while I present articles from national media"
How many of national medias went deep into SKC report and tried to analyze whether they are valid or not?
They simply writing in there own words what SKC wrote in there craport.
@Green Star
ReplyDelete"while I present articles from national media"
How many of national medias went deep into SKC report and tried to analyze whether they are valid or not?
They simply writing in there own words what SKC wrote in there craport.
He he. Compared to what? Your single statement that you quote ad-nauseum from the socialist Jawaharlal Nehru who believed that one toothpaste was enough for a nation?
Get real.
At least we non-telugu people have more objectivity than you warring fronts.
Take option 4 and all the three regions will benefit like Noida, Gurgaon etc. One small correction though to the fourth option - let it be a state and not a UT. Anyway even if it starts as a UT it will become a state eventually.
There's no way out. There will be no "state legislature" to take views which I stated earlier which will make it impossible for Article 3 to get operated.
Like SUjai says and I agree it should and will be a political solution. And politics is the art of the possible. The option 4 is what is possible and good for all.
Anyway like I hear from other guys here the alternative is to wait it out and let BJP come to power with thumping majority at which point of time it could be possible that Option 5 will be implemented in its entirety.
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ReplyDelete"Compared to what?"
what a meaning less questions. ????
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"one toothpaste was enough for a nation?"
Few days back a guy called Santa, like you, thought there are tens of tooth paste companies in India with the same name called 'Colgate', the reason is, he saw the various tooth paste ads for the same brand in several television/radio ads.
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"At least we non-telugu people have more objectivity than you warring fronts."
Yup, that is why the whole country(including SA and TG) laughing at option-4.
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"One small correction though to the fourth option - let it be a state and not a UT."
I have another correction too, demand to include Krishna, Guntur too, so that you will have access to sea port. If you are lucky, you may endup with few oil wells in that sea port.
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"Get real."
In reality, Option 4 or HYD UT, or joint capital can be happened only if both TG, SA are agreed. But HYD can be Telangana capital, without sara's approval. The only option for SA is to bargain for better package. There is no option left for HYD. HYD is going to be TG capital.
sera:
ReplyDeleteThere's no way out. There will be no "state legislature" to take views which I stated earlier which will make it impossible for Article 3 to get operated.
Looks like you misunderstood the blog post and the Article 3.
If the majority in a State Assembly adjourn the State Assembly, or refuse to give an opinion within a specified time, the Article 3 empowers the Parliament to go ahead and introduce the bill in the Parliament.
This Article envisions a situation where a majority may hijack the Assembly by adjourning it indefinitely and hence made this provision, so that there is no indefinite impasse or stalemate.
Hope that clarifies.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteRegarding the powers given to centre as per Article 3 ,there is no dispute.
But you know, the same article gives Center to create a Hyd UT or Hyd state option or bifurcate telangana itself into North TG & South TG.
Article 3 doesnt talk about the will of people involved in this process. It is for parliament to decide what will be the boundaries of your state. It can decide to maintain status quo ,if it thinks it is in the national interest , grant telangana , or make Hyd UT .
The case for UA or Hyd UT got much stronger with SKC.
One more political reality check for Tvadis. TMC ,NCP dont want to give TG because they will face opposition from their votebanks because of vidharbha & goorka land.
ReplyDeleteNow with SKC saying UA is best , they can openly oppose TG saying we go as per the committee.
How many fires can the congress put out at once ? Coastal ,Seema opposition ,TMC ,NCP .
Especially TMC ,bengal elections are due in 2011. TMC cannot afford even a single mistake.
@ Green Star
ReplyDeleteDo you realize you have not answered the 2 most important things I raised and went on and on on other thing albeit in an oblique manner.
1. There's no way out. There will be no "state legislature" to take views which I stated earlier which will make it impossible for Article 3 to get operated. Constitutionally it will never be feasible and the seema-andhra guys have shown that the proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
3. You can wait for BJP to come with thumping majority. I think that's possible with all the mess of 2G, PAC, reborn Bofors etc.
Speak of possibilities in real terms.
And just to correct you - I don't know of the whole nation but the SA guys (I know) say that fourth option (along with Chidambaram saying only three are non-acceptable) is the thing in which things are moving ahead.
Of course they could be wrong. But I also know wishes can be different from the bottom lime. But looks like you Green Star dont see the difference.
That's ok.
I and you dont decide the future. But there we are - discussing. And speaking of what we know and what we think.
Could you Green Star take some time and write and let us know hoe you think how things may roll out.
Also people are forgetting about the chapter 8 in SKC.
ReplyDeleteThe detailed report was given to Home ministry but SKC mentions elsewhere that TG will become a hub for naxals with or without Hyd included in it.
Now center has to consider this aspect also. Tvadis may not give a damn about naxals or they may even welcome them ,but the rest of the country cant afford such a situation.
"Yup, that is why the whole country(including SA and TG) laughing at option-4. "
ReplyDeleteLooks like option 4 is really pissing off Tvadis ,thats why they are trying to laugh it off. They thought they can show their naxal attitude by cutting off supplies to Hyd. But SKC saw throught these claims and gave a geographical contiguous options for Hyd UT.
I sera said
ReplyDeleteThere's no way out. There will be no "state legislature" to take views which I stated earlier which will make it impossible for Article 3 to get operated.
Sujai said
Looks like you misunderstood the blog post and the Article 3.
If the majority in a State Assembly adjourn the State Assembly, or refuse to give an opinion within a specified time, the Article 3 empowers the Parliament to go ahead and introduce the bill in the Parliament.
This Article envisions a situation where a majority may hijack the Assembly by adjourning it indefinitely and hence made this provision, so that there is no indefinite impasse or stalemate.
Hope that clarifies.
Not adjourning. Dissolving is the right word. Of course in such a case the Union Govt - GoI - will have no choice but to set up a committee of constitutional experts like the SKC. Meanwhile my heartburn is Hyderabad will suffer because two mature individuals cant come to terms. I have talked to lawyers on this and it looks shitty. It dissapoints me is of course my dissapointment matters, that is.
" If time goes bad for them and BJP comes into power with super majority, they dont care a bit about SA concerns when they carve. Even they listen, Andhra will be around 5-10 years behind building there new capital."
ReplyDeleteOh ,thats why BJP created TG state in 1999. Oh ,i forgot, it did not.
So you guys came to the conclusion that no TG till congress looses and BJP comes into power. Then pass on the message to T protestors who are wasting their time
I sera said
ReplyDeleteThere's no way out. There will be no "state legislature" to take views which I stated earlier which will make it impossible for Article 3 to get operated.
Sujai said
Looks like you misunderstood the blog post and the Article 3.
If the majority in a State Assembly adjourn the State Assembly, or refuse to give an opinion within a specified time, the Article 3 empowers the Parliament to go ahead and introduce the bill in the Parliament.
This Article envisions a situation where a majority may hijack the Assembly by adjourning it indefinitely and hence made this provision, so that there is no indefinite impasse or stalemate.
Hope that clarifies.
Not adjourning. Dissolving is the right word. Of course in such a case the Union Govt - GoI - will have no choice but to set up a committee of constitutional experts like the SKC. Meanwhile my heartburn is Hyderabad will suffer because two mature individuals cant come to terms. I have talked to lawyers on this and it looks shitty. It dissapoints me (is of course IF my dissapointment matters), that is.
@ Green
ReplyDeleteYou still havent answered how you guys arrived at the "2 lakh" jobs stolen figure ?
See the damage that Tvadis are doing to the 'Hyd' their prime source of revenue.
ReplyDeleteAHMEDABAD: Political instability in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh has resulted in IT companies losing out on contracts and they are now seeking to expand elsewhere, says a Hyderabad based IT player who will be bringing a delegation to Gujarat later this month. State authorities as well as the local IT players are ready to welcome them, he said.
"We want a safe place for expanding our data centre business. Our promoters and investors have decided to expand outside Andhra, and Gujarat is our first choice," said Ashok Kedia,MD of Hyderabad-based Kedia Infotech .
Kedia is one of the 23 odd companies operating in Hyderabad but now looking elsewhere for expansion. The ongoing Telangana movement has resulted in cancellation of orders for small IT companies who do not have presence in IT park.
Although Gujarat is going strong in manufacturing and agricultural sector, it is still lagging behind in IT compared to the major destinations.
Link :http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/hyderabad-it-companies-look-to-expand-in-gujarat/articleshow/7272336.cms
sera:
ReplyDeleteNot adjourning. Dissolving is the right word.
It involves all kinds of suspension of State Assembly. Adjourn, dissolve, suspend, president's rule, etc. Authors of Indian Constitution were little smarter than you would think! :-)
Little did people of Telangana realize, little did news channels realize, little did international media realize, and little did P Chidambaram himself realize, the catch was in the very next statement!
ReplyDelete“An appropriate resolution will be moved in the Assembly.”
I don't know about the rest, but I realized that 'catch' immediately. And I think Chidambaram knows very well of that 'Catch' and that was deliberately induced.
@ Name less
ReplyDeleteIs it just 2 lakh. Iactually heard KCR say it was 10 lakhs.
And I heard him say that half a crore govt jobs will come if Telangana comes.
I may be wrong. I will want to stand corrected. I am a non-telugu guy and I know little according to many T guys.
But yet. I think Name less you are wrong.
@ Sera
ReplyDeleteAll these days these Tvadis created a propaganda that "2 lakh " TG jobs were stolen by Andhra people. I want to know which committee ,or research agency or news agency quoted this figure.
SKC (quoting Girgilani commission) clearly states that number of violation in zone 5 & zone 6 is 18000 out of which 14000 have already been sent back and TG NGOs are very happy with these measures.
Of course KCR promised lakhs and lakhs of jobs if TG comes.
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteNot adjourning. Dissolving is the right word.
It involves all kinds of suspension of State Assembly. Adjourn, dissolve, suspend, president's rule, etc. Authors of Indian Constitution were little smarter than you would think! :-)
No. They were not. Ask any lawyer and he will tell you. In fact it does not include a small thing like adjournment - it only calculates the number of days that the assembly is in motion.
The reason why JMM was forced to wait till Lalu Prasad became non-issue was because of that.
Of course resolution was passed there. And in BJPs time, mind you.
Its a legal pipe dream to think anything else is possible is what my well paid lawyers tell me.
The more important thing is the cabinet should agree and pass it to the president. You think thats possible here where there are one or two SA guys in the cabinet and I am not speaking of guys like Sharad Pawar and Mamata who might oppose it for their own reasons. That apart the SA cabinet ministers will ensure that nothing goes to the president.
The best way out Sujai is a "negotiated political settlement" which is some form of Option 4.
One more insult to TG. Centre is now offering Dy CM post to Tg person to put an end to this agitation.
ReplyDeleteCome on guys ! Not even CM post. So much for this "great peoples movement"
Name less said:
ReplyDeleteOne more insult to TG. Centre is now offering Dy CM post to Tg person to put an end to this agitation.
Come on guys ! Not even CM post. So much for this "great peoples movement"
Name less I think you are not nice here. I really felt sad when guys I believe touched the feets of MPs for Telangana. This taken the fact that the MPs themselves cried and fell at the feet of Pranab.
Bull shit I say Name less. They should have taken the collar of Pranab and asked him to bring Chidambaram in whose ears should have been boxed for creating this mess.
I actually as an outsider feel NTR was your true leader. I mean Telugus leader.
ReplyDeleteThat was the time when I actually say the "telugu identity" from my birth which is saying a lot.
Chalo ,Sera ,As a compensation for my not so nice post , I am posting this joke on andhra heart throb 'Balayya'
ReplyDelete1st two days Collections of ‘Parama Veera Chakra’ are as follows:
Yashoda- 19 Lakhs
NIMS- 23 Lakhs
KIMS- 23.4 lakhs
7 Hills- 25 Lakhs
APOLLO- 56 lakhs
Care- 58 lakhs
Lazarus- 62 Lakhs
Rajiv Arogya Sri- Nearly 3 Crores
sera:
ReplyDeleteNo. They were not.
I shouldn't have tried. I learn my lesson! :-)
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ReplyDelete"Do you realize you have not answered the 2 most important things I raised"
I think your entire argument itself foolish, what makes you to think that I find few important things in your argument?
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"Could you Green Star take some time and write and let us know hoe you think how things may roll out."
later today.
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"TG will become a hub for naxals with or without Hyd included in it."
I dont find such statement in eighth chapter.
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"Looks like option 4 is really pissing off Tvadis ,thats why they are trying to laugh it off."
I said whole India is laughing, not just TG. :)
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"But SKC saw throught these claims and gave a geographical contiguous options for Hyd UT."
When I was writing my degree exams, if I dont know the answer for a question, I still fill up the pages with crap, hoping in validator will not read , by looking at number of pages he may just give me some marks. That is what exactly SKC did, other than Status Quo and bifurcation, they dont find any good options, so they just made four more crappy solutions.
I say again, other than Sara and few other bunch of jokers (including SKC team), whole India is laughing about that fourth option. That supposed to be the least preferred option among those six.
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"Looks like option 4 is really pissing off Tvadis "
Option4 is like attaching wings to pigs so that it can fly. Why do we care or piss-off. We just laugh it off, thats all.
@ Name less
ReplyDeleteArticle 3 doesnt talk about the will of people involved in this process. It is for parliament to decide what will be the boundaries of your state. It can decide to maintain status quo ,if it thinks it is in the national interest , grant telangana , or make Hyd UT .
Looks like that is why surprisingly both Singhvi and Ghulam Azad spoke to two national channels (times now and NDTV) about the "contours of Telangana" being undecided.
Now it makes sense.
@Sujai
ReplyDeleteI shouldn't have tried. I learn my lesson! :-)
I too should have. I too have learnt mine. Time will tell. And surprisingly both of us could be wrong. ;-)
Its really difficult Sujai.
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ReplyDelete"So you guys came to the conclusion that no TG till congress looses and BJP comes into power."
Thanks for opening my eyes, from now on I will on that work. Thanks again anna...
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"You still havent answered how you guys arrived at the "2 lakh" jobs stolen figure ?"
damn it, you still didnt forget that? :)
I answered it some time back for some one else, I will try to find that math and give you in a day.
@ Sera
ReplyDeleteThis is the greatness of Article 3. It gives entire power to parliament. Parliament resolution means " the opinion of all Indian people ". Not the protecting minority from majority theory like Sujai wants to project.
Only Parliament can create states keeping the whole nations interest in mind.
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ReplyDelete"You still havent answered how you guys arrived at the "2 lakh" jobs stolen figure ?"
damn it, you still didnt forget that? :)
I answered it some time back for some one else, I will try to find that math and give you in a day."
Sir , I want sources for that data , like was that data collected by a research agency ,committee or atleast news agency ,not some calculation done on a rough paper by some person.
If you have written any paper in your life ,you would know that any data point would need a source , they cant be produced from imagination.
@Name less said
ReplyDeleteThis is the greatness of Article 3. It gives entire power to parliament. Parliament resolution means " the opinion of all Indian people ". Not the protecting minority from majority theory like Sujai wants to project.
Only Parliament can create states keeping the whole nations interest in mind.
I agree with you Name less but the thing here is coalition politics which a shrewd politician like KCR understood and played.
Of course guys like Green Star may not agree with KCR or Sujai may say that he and other T guys are using KCR.
Whatever.
The truth is coalition politics makes this possible. Not a bad thing. The problem is the way it is carried out with hatred.
Page 450 SKC ,Chapter 9
ReplyDeleteIt also has to be borne in mind that Telangana with or without Hyderabad is likely to experience a spurt in Maoist activity. This aspect has been covered in detail in the Chapter on Law and Order and Internal Security.
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ReplyDelete"SKC (quoting Girgilani commission) clearly states that number of violation in zone 5 & zone 6 is 18000"
As per my math some time back(I will give you that soon), that 2lak is not the current violation but that is about how we lost the opportunity for around 2lak jobs from the inception of AP. We can discuss further after I post it again.
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"One more insult to TG."
There is no bigger insult than how SKC ruled out the status quo from the options.
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"Centre is now offering Dy CM post to Tg person"
Where did you heard that? any way, giving CM post didnt worked out before(1970s), looks like they want to try again with Dy CM, hilarious....
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"1st two days Collections of ‘Parama Veera Chakra’ "
I am again embarrassed in front of my team when I couldn't control laughing bigger...after reading that joke.
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ReplyDelete"they cant be produced from imagination."
see, that is how you guys always jumping with guns. Did I said it was my imagination? Did I said I wrote a paper? I didn't even stated my argument you already firing your guns. What a temper sirjeee...
The source of data for my math was Girglani Report. I did a rough calculation with few points made in Girglani Report.
I say again, you save your temper till I post that again. Have a good night.
@ Sera
ReplyDeleteIt is not so easy as these Tvadis want us to think. They think a simple majority bill is enough. But once they do it disregarding the actual stake holders in that division ,think of the trends it will set.
Congress may think it can separate 'Azamghad' district into a diff state or 'old city hyd' into a diff state ,why because it wants to win minority votes in rest of country. "We are going to prepare sanctuary for minority from the bad BJP" that will be their argument.
State borders will be redrawn as per their winnability.
This is a domino, which can effect national integrity ,so no govt will dare take a decision so lightly just because they have a simple majority.
@ Gren Star
ReplyDelete"1st two days Collections of ‘Parama Veera Chakra’ "
I am again embarrassed in front of my team when I couldn't control laughing bigger...after reading that joke.
What it proves is that for an outsider both sides look as a joke or permit me both of you look as jokers.
What are you freaking fighting for?
Have an United AP or have a Telangana with Hyd as a Ut as anyway we dont identify with you both.
You are like two parents from different castes/regions/religions/countires/languages who want to own the child. The child is giving a finger to you and saying he/she wants to be one his own.
How cruel can you get in your fights while Hyderabad suffers.
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ReplyDelete"Page 450 SKC ,Chapter 9"
so, it is from Chapter 9 but not Chapter 8.
Your statement
TG will become a hub for naxals with or without Hyd included in it.
SKC statement
It also has to be borne in mind that Telangana with or without Hyderabad is likely to experience a spurt in Maoist activity. This aspect has been covered in detail in the Chapter on Law and Order and Internal Security.
I think there is lot of difference between the meanings of 'Will be' and 'likely'. The meaning I know of 'likely' is Worthy of belief, probable, Having probability etc.
As per SKC, there is 50-50 chances, but you decided that it is 100%. Are you name less or brain less?
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteI forgot one imp point. How come you became a big fan of constitution. Dont you know you are insulting the constitution when you encourage sedition in kashmir.
@ Green
ReplyDeleteOk ,i will rephrase , SKC thinks it is likely that maoists will grow in TG .
So ,Center will give due attention to it.
Also in chapter 8 they mention
"During the Committee’s tenure, immediate law and order problems,
and also the long-term internal security implications, including the growth of
Maoist/Naxal activities were examined."
How come long term internal security implications came into the picture ? We dont know what SKC submitted to Home ministry . But rest assured that will also be considered.
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ReplyDelete"How cruel can you get in your fights while Hyderabad suffers."
Hyderabad is not children of SA and TG. HYD is undetachable zem on TG forehead, and it is there even before the marriage.
If you are success in your path, I am sure every other settler in other cities in India will be kicked out to secure there won cities. So, for that same reason GOI will never allow you to succeed.
@ Green Star
ReplyDeleteHYD is not got anything to do with telangana. We were built on the moneys of even the six districts that went to Maharastra and Karnataka. Also is the fact the areas of seema and coastal were sold and taxes earned by Nizam.
It is not like we are idiots.
HYD is independent and T guys have no claim on that. It is not like any other city.
We have also learnt history Green Star after all this noise.
ReplyDeleteWe know you are just creating reasons to do a KABZA on HYDerabad.
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ReplyDelete"Ok ,i will rephrase"
I am happy now, I take back my word 'brain less'.
:)
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"We dont know what SKC submitted to Home ministry"
The difference between you and we is, you fear for bad future, we hope for good future. You show examples, we say not every ones experience is same.
"The difference between you and we is, you fear for bad future, we hope for good future. You show examples, we say not every ones experience is same."
ReplyDeleteWe are not afraid of our future. Andhras can survive and prosper even without hyderabad. But we are going to give up our rightful share just because the other party is threatening us, in fact that made us more determined
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ReplyDelete"It is not like we are idiots."
Few months back there is a notification from govt. that soon our village will be going to be part of Greater HYD. I am not sure if it is alreay implemented. So, now we are officially part of HYD are to too talking on behalf of me?
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"creating reasons to do a KABZA on HYDerabad."
We started building the city from scratch. You came here for business and gave us a hand(for your business needs). Now you saying the city is yours. Now every one knows who is doing Kabza. Isn't your style similar to British? Came here for business, and slowly occupied the whole country?
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ReplyDelete"But we are going to give up our rightful share just because the other party is threatening us, in fact that made us more determined"
'threatening' is just a lame excuse so that you can continue your false claims.
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"We are not afraid of our future."
Thats why all anti telangana guys always talks about only bad future but they never find any small/single good reason why should we separated.
Seemandra@ are scared to separate, scared for there future, scared for there new state without HYD.
One think you are forgetting is, your actions is furthermore dividing people, but not helping the situation any way.
"We started building the city from scratch. You came here for business and gave us a hand(for your business needs). Now you saying the city is yours. Now every one knows who is doing Kabza. Isn't your style similar to British? Came here for business, and slowly occupied the whole country?"
ReplyDeleteNizam owned Hyd state during that time. All people in his rule lived at his mercy. Whether he invited Turks or Northies ,it was his decision to make, you guys didnt have any role in that. So dont make it out like others settled here because of your magnanimity.
After independence ,every indian citizen had right to settle anywhere ,so then also there were no favours from you guys.
In fact by the way of taxes ,investments , entrepreneurship TG contribution to Hyd is minimal
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ReplyDeleteOne think you are forgetting is, your actions is furthermore dividing people, but not helping the situation any way. "
Is the pot calling the kettle black ?
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ReplyDelete"In fact by the way of taxes ,investments , entrepreneurship TG contribution to Hyd is minimal"
Dont forget that HYD was expanded because other districts gave up there lands and resources for HYD. That is the biggest contribution than any other taxes. Do you have any statistic about proving the TG contribution to HYD is minimal? You came here to Telangana city because it is a good place for your business, but not to do your charity to develop a telangana city.
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"So dont make it out like others settled here because of your magnanimity."
the same way you stop saying you own the city and you are nothing to do with TG.
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"so then also there were no favours from you guys."
That is true as long as you dont start claiming a city just because you came to that city for good living.
Hey. Ridiculous. We came on the invitation of the Nizam. That is true. And there is no denying the fact.
ReplyDeleteBut then the Nizam sold/taxed the seema and andhra territory. That is also a fact,
And what happens to those six districts who also paid taxes and also to the seema and andhra areas who were sold/taxed.
It is our money - the true Hyderabadi. And also others no doubt. But among others the SA guys have as much say as the T guys and the other 6 district guys who are no longer part of AP.
this T movement is moving in the direction of Narmada Bachao Andolan(NBA). Good number of social activists participated in it. They made effective presentations and arguments in favor of Tribal rights, human rights, constiutional safe guards, ecological damage blah blah blah..
ReplyDeleteBut how much difference did they make on the ground? Nearly nothing.
(Of course many became internationally popular)
T-vaadis can achieve nothing until they can project the T issue is bread and butter of T people.
Take case of Iraq war. US the largest economic and millitary power wanted to capture the oil there. But they had to convince the world with case for war.
They could succeed only by rasing apprehensions with bogus information in like-minded nations (read anti-islamic).
T-vaadis can never bring forward such a of case for separation. I do not see any other group/state from this country joining them to fight SA people. Why they should antagonise some section in the country for the sake of T people, who anyway do not have sufficient cause?
The latest political developments clearly show that T politicians can never dare (hardly changed since 1956) their high-commands. There is no need to mention KCR position. He lost face already but eagrly looking for another round of fund collection for by-elections.
Writing Articles on Article 3 can at most prepare another generation of dissenters in Telangana. Next time they will approach the problem differently. Make a Telangana fanatic President and he/she separates the state by issuing a direct order under Article 3.
PS: Lavanya and Sujai do not waste your time trying to bring out sucess stories from NBA. You have even more important matter on hand.:-)
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ReplyDeleteI think Chidambaram being a lawyer,would think a thousand times ,before making a statement of that amplitude...
Almost same calibre of Mr. missed-the-nobel and Madam Lavanya.
Recollect his clumsy handling of Naxals issue yet escaping with complex pharses "well thought out process ......"
One quality of T-vaadis worth commendation is "height of optimism". They look for "dew in desert". Well! It is not impossible.
Name less I think you are not nice here. I really felt sad when guys I believe touched the feets of MPs for Telangana. This taken the fact that the MPs themselves cried and fell at the feet of Pranab
ReplyDeleteI had similar feeling in 2008. When Telangana old leaders VH, Kaka, Palvai etc were not allowed to meet Sonia and were sent back from outside by Ahmad patel. I still remember faces of the old guys standig outside the house. It was really a pity.
Copied exactly from my privious post
ReplyDeleteI can not count the exact numbers, it is very difficult for my level of brain. There are many voilations, my blood started boiling after seeing these many voilations from Seemandra? Why this many voilations from Seemandra and why there are no voilations from Telangan to Seemandra?
When State is merged 100% of telangana govt. post are allocated to Telanganan people. The following explains how Telangana lost there reserved jobs slowly to Seemandra and how they estimated to 2.5laks. I summarized here so that some one else can go into deeper details.
1. With 6-point formula reservations in Gazette level post reduced from 100% to 60%
2. With 6-point formula reservations in non-gazette level posts reduced from 100% to 70%
3. With 6-point formula reservations in district level posts reducted from 100% to 80%
4. Above the rest of the post should be recruited by merit, but unfortunatly those are treated as reserved for non-locals (which is not)
5. Treating HYD as zone-vii(doesn't exists) or free zone.
6. Moving few sectors of jobs from non-gazetted to gazetted
7. Local eligibility reduced from 12 to 4 years. So any one can quickly get local status.
8. Prior to the Presidential Order, every second vacancy in every unit of three vacancies was reserved for Telangana in the Secretariat and HODs. This is not any more (i am sure there are less than 20% TD employees in the secretariat right now)
9. Illegal recruitements of 22,000 non locals (G.O.36)
10. Illegal recruitements of 58,962 non-locals (G.O.610)
11. Upgraded zonal level officers to state level officers, local reservations are not applicable.
12. Presidential order taken out the reservations for 51 HODs, at that time there was only 51HODs, now we have 204, these new HODs will not come under Presendential order rules unless approved by president.
13. Hyderabad Urban Development Authority and Quli Qutubshah Urban Development Authority are local bodies but they have been treated as state level bodies
14. Many District Level Posts have been elevated to Zonal Levels Posts, Zonal Levels Posts have been elevated to State Level Posts, thus reduced the percentage of local reservations from 80% to 60% and no reservation to State Level Posts.
15. Inter District and Inter Zonal transfers are not permitted. But using the provision of Public Interest many employees from Andhra have been transferred to Telangana District/Zones.
Continued below.....
Contined from above...
ReplyDelete16. Deputations were allowed and later they were absorbed in these posts.
17. As per para 14 of P.O. 1975, employment opportunities in major development projects were open to all. Later with due amendment of P.O., G.O.No.455, dt.03.10.1985 was issued taking posts upto D.E.E. level under the perview of P.O. But the services of candidates who were appointed from 1975 to 1985 in the major development projects were regularized violating Govt. Orders issued in G.O.No.455, thereby about 40,870 employment opportunities have been lost by Telangana.
18. P.O. listed out specified gazetted posts. Govt. unilaterally gazetted many non-gezetted posts and zonal specified gazetted posts were elevated to statewide gazetted posts without approval of the President of India. It resulted in reduction of percentage of local reservation.
19. Govt. issued appointment orders to many Andhra Employees on compassionate grounds and posted them in Telangana in violation of P.O. 1975. (Girglani commission, viii)
20. 20%, 30% and 40% posts were to filled up on the basis of merit. There is no reservation to non-locals in the P.O. But the APPSC and DSCs misinterpreted them and reserved for non-locals.
21. Backlog posts meant for locals were to be filled up by 100% locals, but these posts were again bifurcated as local and non-local thereby hundreds of local posts have gone to non-locals.
22. When there were no experts to certain category of posts, candidates were brought from Andhra using provision of public interest. They were to be repatriated whenever expert candidate from local District / Zone was available. But this was not done.
23. In HYD Out of 563 posts of Civil S.I posts, 273 posts are occupied by the non-locals and out of 97 posts of Reserve C.I 44 posts are occupied by the non-locals. (House committee)
24. In HYD 2399 posts of Civil Police Constables are now occupied by the non-locals should first be filled up by the locals against the OC quota in Hyderabad City Police. And also recommends that 616 posts of Armed Reserved Police Constables which are now occupied by the non-locals should first be filled up by the locals against the OC quota in Hyderabad City Police. (House committee)
25. 546 posts of teachers which are now occupied by non-locals should first be filled up by the locals against
the OC quota in Ranga Reddy District (House committee)
26. 262 posts of teachers which are now occupied by non-locals in Hyderabad District, 23 posts in Medak District, 8 posts in Adilabad District and 3 posts in Khammam District should first be filled up by the local candidates of the respective districts against the OC quota (House committee)
27. 87 posts of various categories which are now occupied by the non-locals in Prohibition and Excise Department in Ranga Reddy District should first be filled up by the local candidates against the OC quota (House committee)
28. Its cumulative effect is estimated to a tune of 2.5 lakhs by the Telangana Employees based on the findings of the One Man Commission(Girglani) upto 2005.
@Name Less.
ReplyDeleteRead above about how they concluded the figure 2.5lak jobs. This number varies from person to person. Sujai says he believe 1lak jobs. At some point I used to believe 50K, now I am confused, but in the impression that it would be huge, more than 50K.
HYD is independent and T guys have no claim on that. It is not like any other city.
ReplyDeleteReally!?!!!???
How so?
Every city in India has a pre-Independence history, a pre-States-ReOrganization history and a modern history.
I am curious... What is your absurd and wierd theory on the history of Hyderabad that makes it an "independent" city, "different from other cities"???
"Looks like option 4 is really pissing off Tvadis "
ReplyDeleteWhere did you get that from?
Didn't I wish you all the best with Option 4?
Didn't I also tell you in lay-man's language, how it is a distant dream as the taluks of Medak, Mahboob Nagar and Nalgonda will never agree to be part of a Union Territory.
It is a simple fact. Farmers will not accept to be a part of a Union Territory. UTs have a different form of governance, completely unsuitable and damaging to the farming communities. SKC states clearly that the people in T-regions included on their silly map may not agree to such division.
Regardless, lone warrior.... carry your flag and shout for Option 4 ... open your camp next to one of the multi-plexes and wait for the crowd to give a hoot for your Option 4.
Good luck! Our best wishes are with you.
Well.. Telangana will have the real Hyderabad and we'll carve out a virtual Hyderabad for Andhra.
ReplyDeleteSamiakhya vyadhis (diseased with samaikhya) can continue to pay taxes to Hyd/Telangana.
For the common man in Andhra whose only experience of Hyd is from films, it makes no difference.
Could you guys tell me what will be the names of the two or three entities that will result if option 4 or 5 of SKC report is followed? I am serious. If T is separated is it still Andhra Pradesh? Enquiring minds want to know.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone support if option 6 is agreed upon may be they should change the name of the state into Telugu nadu or something? It appears to me this Andhra pradesh thing is real jinxed.
Take a break and enjoy some pidakala veta.
@ Jai Jai:
ReplyDeleteCould you guys tell me what will be the names of the two or three entities that will result if option 4 or 5 of SKC report is followed? I am serious. If T is separated is it still Andhra Pradesh? Enquiring minds want to know.
All Telanganites are very sure that their new state will be called 'Telangana' and their capital city will be Hyderabad.
The Seema folks are also sure they want Kurnool for their capital city. Not sure what name they would pick for the state. Nellore is a second contender, if they succeed in including Nellore and Prakasam in their new state. It is for them to work out the details.
The Andhra folks are completely uncertain of their future... they don't know which city to pick and what to name their state. If they don't pick Vizag, within a decade, Kona-Seema will ask for their own state.
The state government has asked the vice-chancellors of all the universities to furnish details of professors and other teaching staff actively involved in agitation programmes supporting Telangana and “Samaikya Andhra Pradesh” and not attending to their teaching duties while drawing salaries.
ReplyDeleteOther than Prof. Kodandaram of Osmania University — chairman of the Telangana Joint Action Committee — and Prof. N. Samuel of Nagarjuna University — convenor for the Joint Action Committee for united Andhra Pradesh — who are actively involved in the statehood agitations since November 2009, the government has received specific complaints against several professors and assistant professors in other universities across the state for provoking students to take part in agitations while drawing salaries without taking classes and just signing attendance registers.
The government was forced to seek the details of such professors following the directions of the AP Assembly Assurance Committee which took serious view of the issue.
Interestingly, Prof. Kodandaram was granted half-pay-leave from December 2009 to April 2010. His gross salary was `58,400 per month at that time and take home salary was `27,171. As per service rules and code of conduct for teaching staff in universities, professors are barred from taking part in any political activities or public demonstrations.
@Idler
ReplyDeleteWell.. Telangana will have the real Hyderabad and we'll carve out a virtual Hyderabad for Andhra.
Samiakhya vyadhis (diseased with samaikhya) can continue to pay taxes to Hyd/Telangana.
For the common man in Andhra whose only experience of Hyd is from films, it makes no difference.
Welcome back the whiner :)
@Idler
ReplyDeleteFor the common man in Andhra whose only experience of Hyd is from films, it makes no difference.
You draw your conclusions at your own peril.... keep dreaming ...yawn yawn yawn
http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/telangana-congress-mps-favour-trifurcation/239474.html
ReplyDeleteInteresting Article Headed - Telangana Congress MPs favour trifurcation
They told Union finance minister Pranab Mukherjee, defence minister AK Antony, law minister M Veerappa Moily and party president's political secretary Ahmed Patel to take steps for trifurcation of Andhra Pradesh state with Hyderabad as a 'common capital' for a period of five to six years period.
Now the ball gets rolling. That "common capital" period will get extended. And to have a "common capital" technically my lawyer (he is a junior and he was the only one I could reach this morning and maybe he is wrong. Better minds can throw light on this issue.) tells me that it will have to be a UT for that time-period of five to six years or whatever.
Please read the below http://epaper.vaartha.com/VT/VT/2011/01/13/ArticleHtmls/13_01_2011_004_011.shtml?Mode=1
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ReplyDeleteNow the ball gets rolling. That "common capital" period will get extended. And to have a "common capital" technically my lawyer tells me that it will have to be a UT for that time-period of five to six years or whatever
You are finally showing signs of life, you are seeing some reality (part hallucinations too).
Chandigargh is a 'different' situation. Telangana and Seemandhra can never fall into the Chandigargh=type-deadlock.
Why? Coz Hyderabad is deep inside Telangana, not between Seemandhra and Telangana.
The formation of Telangana and other state(s) [names unknown yet!] will follow the Maharashtra-Gujarat model. For a fixed amount of time, during which the other capital city becomes operational, Hyderabad will be temporarily serving as a common capital. At the end of the time-period specified, Hyderabad will belong to Telangana.
I have no idea why you seem so fascinated by the idea of a Union Territory. Just an FYI, industry, real-estate and most other sectors will be hurt because of the UT status as UTs are highly regulated zones in general. IT came to Hyderabad because of some special provisions made by the State govt.
In a UT, that possibility will be decided by the parliament and the cabinet ministers, not by local politicians or real-estate mafias. Believe me, politicians will try to do everything to get Hyderabad out of UT state as soon as possible. Even the middle-class in Hyderabad will yearn for their old status back once the reality of UT hits them.
Regardless, it is good to see you coming out of your united-day-dream.
@ Green
ReplyDeleteYour post just looks like the usual rhetoric stats given by Tvadis. Lets look at them in detail.
First of all 6 point formula was agreed upon by T leaders. So just like there can be 20% non locals in TG zones ,there can be 20% non locals in Andhra zones also.
Also in as per gentlemens agreement the mulki rules were supposed to be for 5 years ,in reality they were in force for 11 years.
"Treating HYD as zone-vii(doesn't exists) or free zone."
Supreme court does not agree with you. According to SC this is as per Six point formula.
And FYI ,the free zone concept is for police recruitment and section heads of secretariat only.
"6. Moving few sectors of jobs from non-gazetted to gazetted "
ReplyDeleteThis move benefits all the employees of AP. If it decreases local quota in TG zones ,it also decreases local quota in Andhra zones. also ask the NGOs if they like to be moved to gazetted post .Every NGO will agree
"7. Local eligibility reduced from 12 to 4 years. So any one can quickly get local status."
Six point formula removes the mulki rules and 4 years becomes the domicile creteria. This is what was agreed by your leaders. Dont blame us.
Also you guys can apply for jobs in andhra zones if you stay there 4 years , your guys could not compete with andhras?
"9. Illegal recruitements of 22,000 non locals (G.O.36)"
ReplyDeleteShow me the source for this info
"10. Illegal recruitements of 58,962 non-locals (G.O.610)"
Show me the source for this info
" (i am sure there are less than 20% TD employees in the secretariat right now)"
Show me the source for this info
"As per para 14 of P.O. 1975, employment opportunities in major development projects were open to all. Later with due amendment of P.O., G.O.No.455, dt.03.10.1985 was issued taking posts upto D.E.E. level under the perview of P.O. But the services of candidates who were appointed from 1975 to 1985 in the major development projects were regularized violating Govt. Orders issued in G.O.No.455, thereby about 40,870 employment opportunities have been lost by Telangana."
ReplyDeleteIs this mentioned in Girgilani report or any other report ?
@ Green
ReplyDelete"Its cumulative effect is estimated to a tune of 2.5 lakhs by the Telangana Employees based on the findings of the One Man Commission(Girglani) upto 2005."
Now this last point mentioned by you is a total lie. We know Girgilani mentioned 18000 as number of violations.
This single point is enough to discredit your entire "2 lakh" theory
@ T Bidda
ReplyDelete"Didn't I also tell you in lay-man's language, how it is a distant dream as the taluks of Medak, Mahboob Nagar and Nalgonda will never agree to be part of a Union Territory. "
Didnt Sujai make it clear , your permission is not required. Only Article 3 and political will matters.
"Farmers will not accept to be a part of a Union Territory."
Even if farmers dont agree ,it wont matter . Recently farmers didnt agree with Brajesh Kumar Tribunal verdict ,did it matter ?
"SKC states clearly that the people in T-regions included on their silly map may not agree to such division"
SKC also states that Seema ,coastal will not agree for separation . Still center has to make a decision.
Like Sujai said , only Article 3 and political will matters. The state or UT borders can be diced and chopped as per the wishes of Parliament.
@ Idler
ReplyDelete"Well.. Telangana will have the real Hyderabad and we'll carve out a virtual Hyderabad for Andhra. "
You will carve out virtual hyd for us. Think about your own role in building Hyd city.
Post 1948 ,you guys werent even allowed in the city. Even after independence your role is minimal compared to the role played by Muslims,Northies ,Andhras.
Think honestly for one minute . You will realize the truth.
@idler
ReplyDelete"For the common man in Andhra whose only experience of Hyd is from films, it makes no difference."
For common man in TG ,creation of T state will make his position worse. Naxals will rise in TG state. That will lead to flight of industries from Hyd state.
TG will loose its only revenue generating source.
P.S: TG will also not get any extra water than they are getting now.
@ TG Bidda
ReplyDelete"The Andhra folks are completely uncertain of their future... they don't know which city to pick and what to name their state. If they don't pick Vizag, within a decade, Kona-Seema will ask for their own state."
Dont worry about us. We are a hard working race. We will prosper irrespective of our state boundaries.
We are a hard working race.
ReplyDeleteHence, the racial discrimination against Telangana. The insincerity and bigotry eventually shows.
TIMES OF INDIA:
ReplyDelete'T'urmoil can't stop investments
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Turmoil-cant-stop-investments-/articleshow/7281316.cms
HYDERABAD: The agitation for a separate state of Telangana does not seem to have any impact on foreign investors as Andhra Pradesh continues to be the favoured destination for multinational companies, especially from the US and Europe.
According to sources in the industries department, at least five companies have written letters to the state government, expressing their desire to park mega investments to the tune of Rs 15,000-Rs 20,000 crore in the state.
Many global companies have reservations about Gujarat, a state considered to be very investment-friendly because of its 'gory past'. Following the US policy, many global companies are looking eastwards, especially AP.
The officials said the government was drawing up a comprehensive plan to cash in on this mood. The state officials are elated over the prospects of several companies choosing Andhra Pradesh to set up their units which would provide big push to employment generation.
Apart from the signals from IT majors such as Accenture, Microsoft, Google and Facebook that they would expand their operations in Andhra Pradesh, companies such as Brightonm, PSA Peugeot Citron, Alstom, Continental Carbon, Koppers are in touch with the government.
Rajesh Nellore, head of country operations, Peugeot Citron, reportedly met chief minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy last week to discuss the investment plans of his company. Europe's second largest car brand is all set to open a manufacturing facility in the state by investing around $ 850 million. The US-based Brighton Energy Corporation Limited wrote to the chief minister expressing a similar desire. Brighton is a world leader in manufacturing large forged steel components for nuclear power plants. The company wants to set up a facility at Vizag, consisting of four large plants - a melting, forging, welding shops and machining and assembly unit — which can employ 2500 skilled technicians directly. In fact, Brighton had already held one round of talks when K Rosaiah was the CM.
Similarly, a France company, Alstom, is also said to be interested in locating their locomotive coaches manufacturing unit in the state.
Does any one know why the nizam asked lakhs of farmers from SA to come and settle in Hyderabad State?
ReplyDeleteWhy couldn't he make the local farmers till the lands under nizamsagar.
@ POK
ReplyDelete"Does any one know why the nizam asked lakhs of farmers from SA to come and settle in Hyderabad State?
Why couldn't he make the local farmers till the lands under nizamsagar."
You cant ask such questions. Telanganas were having a golden age under Nizam as per Tvadi. This is confirmed by eminent historians of TG.
"We are a hard working race.
ReplyDeleteHence, the racial discrimination against Telangana. The insincerity and bigotry eventually shows."
So when I say Andhras are hard working that means that TG is not.
But when you say TG has a great culture, does that mean other cultures are waste.
Or when you say TG has self respect does that mean other people do not have self respect.
>>Post 1948 ,you guys werent even allowed in the city.
ReplyDeleteIt is like some one said some time back "We andhraites showed you what to eat for breakfast, before that you dont even know to eat breakfast"
Andhras don't realize that their dishonesty and insincerity eventually shows.
ReplyDeleteThe whole notion that 'we taught you how to farm', 'we taught you how to speak good Telugu, 'our labor is more hard working than yours', 'we are hard working race', etc, reek of 'colonialism'.
Europeans occupied lands and ruled over the locals telling the locals they are teaching them 'how to eat breakfast', 'how to farm', etc.
That's why Telanganas call Andhras 'colonizers'. Telangana is called an 'internal colony' of Andhras. Such an allegation is supported by the comments above.
The current opposition to formation of Telangana is similar to opposition of certain British lords and people who didn't want to let go of their colony.
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ReplyDeleteYour post just looks like the usual rhetoric stats given by Tvadis.
You always say when ever you unable to counter properly, come up with something good.
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First of all 6 point formula was agreed upon by T leaders.
Did I said that you looted jobs? I said we lost opportunity to those jobs. You guys agreed for Mulki rules too, so why did you started 1972 movement for? Dont act like you are a saint.
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there can be 20% non locals in Andhra zones also.
Yes, if the man who serving is your guy, then all open quota in TG will be unofficially treated like 'reserved for non locals', thats why no Telangan@ will be seen in SeemAndhra offices. And you cleverly escape saying we are afraid to compete. Again same time you say education level in TG is almost equal to SA.
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Also in as per gentlemens agreement the mulki rules were supposed to be for 5 years
This single statement is enough to prove your entire argument is a crap. If you believe that is true, then you may want to kick the butt of Supreme court for ruling Mulki rules as valid in 1972.
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Show me the source for this info
Read the 1969 movement history and reasons, I am sure you will find some where about G.O.36.
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Is this mentioned in Girgilani report or any other report ?
In Girglani Report.
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Now this last point mentioned by you is a total lie. We know Girgilani mentioned 18000 as number of violations.
Your 18,000 is the violations in existing posts, it didn't included for who retired or any previous violations in recruiting, and later transfered to respective zones.
2.5 lak is the number of jobs what TG lost the solo opportunity because of the after merging effects. If AP strict with Gentlemen Agreements, then only TG would have opportunity to that 2.5lak jobs. This number may vary from person to person in TG.
@ Green
ReplyDeleteYou are just bull shitting
you dont have the source for go 36. but use it .
Girgilani report is available on net. Show me on which page is 58692 non locals mentioned.
Also FYI ,Girgilani investiagated the violations from 1975 ,since the presedential formual for six point formula was introduced.
So the total violations will be :
Violations as per GO36 + Girgilani report
Is this equal to 2 lakhs ? prove that.
I already told you guys dont have facts on your side . You think you can make up things and repeat them a 1000 times ,that becomes the truth.
Govt appointed Girgilani commission disproved your theory. SKC just confirmed that.
Wonder why no commission ever proves Tvadi statistics
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ReplyDeleteyou dont have the source for go 36. but use it .
Thats why I hate debating with dumbs, how many times I have to spoon feed every one? I am sure I discussed the same thing like 30 times in past one year, every time one new junk comes here and starts over. How hard it is to find information online? If not, then why dont you just go to govt. and ask for the copy?
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Girgilani report is available on net. Show me on which page is 58692 non locals mentioned.
I clearly mentioned in my post that how they concluded that number. Those are not my numbers. If you want to to have a healthy debate, thats fine, but looks like only thing you want is to criticize every thing what we say. If I say the milk is white, you ask me for proof. Before asking me why dont you find out and tell me if that is wrong? If G.O.36 tells you only 1000jobs, then why dont you correct us? Always criticize, that is all you do here.
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Girgilani investiagated the violations from 1975
Did I say that those are all from commission report? They used that report to conclude the numbers. For example, Girglani report says the the reservation for locals reduced from 100% to 70%, they concluded that TG lost opportunity to solely claim 30% jobs. For example if TG has around 3lak jobs, 30% means 90K jobs. I guessed that is how they calculated. If you have any problems with that data, fine. We too have problems with your data too. Because you dont even have a data to talk.
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ReplyDeleteGovt appointed Girgilani commission disproved your theory. SKC just confirmed that.
SKC tells us that the AP government is planning to build several lift irrigation projects on River Godavari ! Hmm, AP govt is building these lifts on River Krishna. A classic case of what happens when your report is inspired by reports submitted by people of your liking.
With out Girglani commission, you would have claimed that GO610 was long back implemented, and no violations.
@ Green
ReplyDelete"I am sure I discussed the same thing like 30 times in past one year, every time one new junk comes here and starts over."
Then you can just give me that link in just a minute.
Bottomline ,all your figures and facts are wrong .
You guys dont have any source.
You just use Girgilani ,610, 36 as buzz words , dont even bother to read their summaries.
Chalo ,tell me one thing . Did you read that "56000" figure in girgilani report ?
Did you read that "22000" figure in G0 36 ? or you read that in TRS/TDF pamphlet?
@Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped a lot.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
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ReplyDeleteThen you can just give me that link in just a minute.
Have you realized how many posts in this blog and how many comments ? It is clearly proving, you havent' done your home work and you depend on us to prove we are wrong, hilarious ...
You dont find any evidence to prove us wrong, but you simply say we are wrong. Thats should be a new great logic of the century.
Hence, the racial discrimination against Telangana. The insincerity and bigotry eventually shows
ReplyDeleteReflects the cheap mindset.
Don't you know that 'race' in this context refers to people from other regions?
@Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped a lot.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
@ green
ReplyDeleteyou accuse of andhras of crime . Then prove it. The burden of proof will be on the accuser , not the defendant.
We are innocent until you prove we are guilty.
If you dont have proofs then say ,"this is my opinion or imagination or feeling that 2 lakh jobs were stolen" .
Got the logic or is it too much for you to process.
Greenstar,
ReplyDeletedo not lower Telangana respect and intelligence. Read Girglani reports carefully and come back with figures. Your match was a reverse fitting of TRS/TDF complaint of 2Lakhs.
BTW, to keep in pace with the Food Inflation TNGO is planning to hike this figure to 3 Lakhs very soon.:-)
Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped regularrly.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped regularrly.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. In a democratic country where there are no referendums, the demand of the people can be measured by the leaders what they are demanding or what they are promising in elections. If majority of leaders went to elections with 'United ANdhra' slogan and they won, that means majority want it.
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped regularrly.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation after the dec-9th, that means you too accuser. You too have responsibility to prove , majority SA (or AP) people want United Andhra.
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
Greenstar
ReplyDeleteYou are a dumbest dumb. ....
Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?
History recorded "strong sentiment for Telangana" but only three leaders K V Rangarao, M Channareddy and JV Narasingha rao in favor of it.
Of the three, first one flip-flopped regularrly.
In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state.
Was that majority voice?
When you protested against the telangana formation .....
Samaikhyavaadis (I am not anyway) can prove it easily.
A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time.
But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana.
Hold! Samaikhyavaadis can come even now but anti-social elements can utlize the situation as done in Mahaboobabad.
We are not interested to discuss each and individual's statements.
This is what otherside also looking for. Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews, a businessman from Nizamabad beaten up in Vizag, only 39% share in legal posts etc.
/*You dont find any evidence to prove us wrong, but you simply say we are wrong. */
ReplyDeleteFirst you should have evidence to your aligations...just because we couldn't prove you wrong doesn't become what ever you say is right! its like you say there are 10million stars in the sky that figure is right as long as we dont't come up with exact number...
@ Andhrite ..
ReplyDeleteGood to see you too !!
Your head still stuck in JP's ass? What did he have for dinner?
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ReplyDelete"Then how should we measure voice of Telangana in 1956?"
You can measure by looking at Gentleman's agreement, it wasnt made just because a bunch of people asked.
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"In 1953 Hyderabad MPs from Telanagana region called for immediate merger of Telangana region and Andhra state."
First you decide for which period you want to talk. 2010 or 1956? Dont confused between those.
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"A handful of politicians and public figures can instill confidence in Telangana people within a week time. But KCR and team are afraid of letting them inside Telangana."
Lame excucse, if I protest you, you call me TRS.
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"This is what otherside also looking for."
So, now I wonder why you always afraid of a unknown man's statements like a OU guy made a statement that he will not allow to come back the SA people who went for Sankrantri.
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"Stop petty accusations of less marks given in Group I interviews,"
Doesnt it proved in Inter exams recently?
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ReplyDelete"just because we couldn't prove you wrong doesn't become what ever you say is right!"
that means we are not wrong either.
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"its like you say there are 10million stars in the sky that figure is right as long as we dont't come up with exact number..."
Good example, but counting the stats is universally impossible thing. Thats not the same for our claims.
Every one keep asking to show me in which like Girglani mentioned about xxxx number violations, if that report is that simple, there would be no questions. If you saw the actual report atleast once, you realize how stupid question you asked.
If you say SKC declared only 18,000 voilations as per Girglani, can any one show me from which page of Girglani report they got that data?
[Eenadu news article Link]
@ Nameless
ReplyDeleteLike Sujai said , only Article 3 and political will matters. The state or UT borders can be diced and chopped as per the wishes of Parliament.
When it comes to farming communities, you want the Parliament to carve out a UT against their wishes. But, when it comes to a few middle-class people living in Hyderabad, you want referendums and shout "Hyderabad manadi" slogans.
This is Narcissism at its heights. You want the parliament to ignore the plea of farming communities and bundle them up into a UT for you because you are scared of living in Hyderabad in a Telangana State.
O mighty narcissist... do the planets, the stars and the sun and moon revolve around you? Does weather change to meet your daily schedules?
To all the "Samaikya" supporters:
ReplyDeleteIn what ways do you think will a Hyderabad (capital city of Telangana) differ from the Hyderabad we know of today? Why do you insist on a UT status for the city, knowing fully well that UTs are not good news for private industries.
@ TG Bidda
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In what ways do you think will a Hyderabad (capital city of Telangana) differ from the Hyderabad we know of today? Why do you insist on a UT status for the city, knowing fully well that UTs are not good news for private industries."
May be you didnt read option 4 of SKC. UT does not mean that all revenue of Hyd goes to centre. There will be a revenue sharing formula between Andhra & Telangana. This revenue is what 'Andhras' are majorly fighting for.
Also in UT, the police will be under Center ,so if any TG group tries shiv sena or MNS or TRS tactics , the police wont be under any undue pressure .
And whats the deal about UT not good for industries. Delhi was a UT till some years ago ,it was well industrialized.
"This is Narcissism at its heights. You want the parliament to ignore the plea of farming communities and bundle them up into a UT for you because you are scared of living in Hyderabad in a Telangana State. "
ReplyDeleteYou want the parliament to ignore the wishes of 5 crore coastal andhra ,seema & 1 crore settlers, muslims ,northies , UA supporters in TG because you choose to believe in lies and started hating andhras.
And how is farming difficult in a UT? And how many farmers are really there in Hyd UT ? With land prices in crores per acre ,are they still doing farming ....
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ReplyDelete"He said naxals are likely to gain in TG state. "
Well, as per reality, both Andhra and Telanagn suffering the same fate from naxal.
The Andhra Pradesh government wants three more districts in the state to be added to the list of 33 areas declared as Naxal-affected by the Centre. While Khammam district is in the list, the state wants Visakhapatnam, Vizianagaram and Srikakulam, which share border with Orissa’s Malkangiri, Rayagada and Koraput districts, also to be included.
The reason why the state wants this is that Maoists are using forest and tribal areas in these three districts as a safe haven while launching attacks in Orissa and Chhattisgarh.
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In a significant admission that Andhra Pradesh once again faces the threat of a Naxal resurgence, CM N Kiran Kumar Reddy has urged the Centre to declare the border districts of Srikakulam, Vizianagaram, Visakhapatnam, East Godavari, Adilabad, Karimnagar and Warangal as Naxal-affected. His plea also calls for central funds for these districts under the special development plan (SDP).
As of now, Khammam and Visakhapatnam are identified as Naxal-affected,....
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@ Nameless....
ReplyDeleteAnd whats the deal about UT not good for industries. Delhi was a UT till some years ago ,it was well industrialized.
There is a HUGE difference between being a Public-sector hub and being a private-sector hub. Delhi, before it became a state, was a terrible place for a small-business or private business. It had heavy regulations on things big and small... It was not so easy for a middle-class man to get 'permission' to construct a house on his own plot.
Too many regulations hurt business. State govts generally provide some concessions to attract private investors. This flexibility and freedom is not so easily available in a UT.
Wise people are careful about what they wish for. The same residents of Hyderabad who are dreaming for a UT status will soon realize that a UT is not really what they wanted. Their concerns point towards a GHMC... which was set into motion long time ago. The rest of concerns are baseless.
@ Nameless....
ReplyDeleteYou want the parliament to ignore the wishes of 5 crore coastal andhra ,seema & 1 crore settlers, muslims ,northies , UA supporters in TG because you choose to believe in lies and started hating andhras.
1. I do not hate Andhras. I don't like you, but please stop generalizing my opinion about you on all andhras.
2. We are asking for a de-merger as Andhra Pradesh is a failed experiment.
3. We expect UPA to act and invoke Article 3 as UPA promised Telangana in their Manifesto... and Mr. Home Minister promised us that the process of creation of Telangana is set into motion.
"Too many regulations hurt business. State govts generally provide some concessions to attract private investors. This flexibility and freedom is not so easily available in a UT. "
ReplyDeleteLets assume what you say is true. Regulation can be easily fixed. We will have MPs from Hyd. They will do the lobbying. In Addition we will have TG,Andhra CMs who are also using Hyd and getting a share of revenue. They will also lobby.
This is a problem that can be fixed. Unlike the naxal problem which is very difficult to fix.
"3. We expect UPA to act and invoke Article 3 as UPA promised Telangana in their Manifesto... and Mr. Home Minister promised us that the process of creation of Telangana is set into motion. "
ReplyDeleteWe expect the UPA to not to ignore the wishes of 6 crore people while dealing with TG issue.
We expect the UPA govt to make sure that violent elements in TG movement are crushed brutally and settlers in TG are protected from them.
@ Nameless....
ReplyDeleteAnd how is farming difficult in a UT? And how many farmers are really there in Hyd UT ? With land prices in crores per acre ,are they still doing farming ....
I was replying to 'Option 4' of SKC which proposes to expand Hyderabad from its current 625 sq.Km in GHMC to a 12000 sq.Km which will include 51 mandals from the Nalgonda,. Mahboob Nagar, Medak and RR districts.
A vast majority of the 12000sq.Km of the proposed area is agricultural lands. Hyderabad including GHMC is just 5.2% of the total area proposed.
I am not sure if you realize it, but even in the proposed UT utopia that you dream of, the population of the city is less than 10% of population in the proposed area. If you are scared of living in Telangana's Hyderabad, I am not sure what gives you the confidence that your wishes will prevail when 90% of the rest of UT is Telangana people.
With land prices in crores per acre ,are they still doing farming?
Yes. For you, land may be an asset, an investment, a piece of land you will later convert to flats or apartments and sell... but for the mandals and taluqs convered under the proposed 12000 sq.Km area, farming is still the "livelihood" and 'only source of income'. If they sell their lands, they will be out of a job and... for your information, land doesn't sell for crores everywhere as you put it.
Lets assume what you say is true. Regulation can be easily fixed. We will have MPs from Hyd. They will do the lobbying. In Addition we will have TG,Andhra CMs who are also using Hyd and getting a share of revenue. They will also lobby.
ReplyDeleteIf that was so easy.... Goa and Pondicherry would have been the IT hubs... not Bangalore and Hyderabad.
wake up... enough day-dreaming for a day! I am tired of correcting your crazy assumptions.
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ReplyDelete"You want the parliament to ignore the wishes of 5 crore coastal andhra ,seema & 1 crore settlers, muslims ,northies , UA supporter"
You are back to square one, when you questioned how did we know that four crore telangana@ support Telangana, at the same time you simply claim that 5 SA people support United Andhra.
So I belive some ghosts made a demands like Separate Uttarandra, Rayala Telangana, Jai Andhra etc.
You dont even have a capacity to conduct a United Andhra support meeting with atleast 5k people. Thats proves who supports United Andhra.
And please ignore few days back Separate Seema agitation in Tirupati.
This is a problem that can be fixed. Unlike the naxal problem which is very difficult to fix.
ReplyDeleteYou believe that a combined 42 MPs from Telangana, Andhra and the Hyderabad UT will join forces and work towards lobbying to ease regulations in the Hyderabad UT?
Do you actually believe in that proposition?
Do you realise that the 42 MPs (even if they miraculously get on one platform) will have to lobby for 220 other MPs from other states who will have their own vested interests?
Do you realise that the Central govt.s cabinet is the only body in a position to make or break those regulations? Do you realise that living in a UT is like living under president's rule forever? If that was a great proposition, why do free people protest the imposition of Article 356 on a state?
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ReplyDelete"This is a problem that can be fixed. Unlike the naxal problem which is very difficult to fix."
You worry about naxal too much, how come it is going to solve by making HYD as UT?
What a junk idea if UT.
When ever there is ISI or Muslim terrorism incident always a tail find in HYD. Small state/UT can not control such groups, I reject HYD as UT on the interests of country.
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ReplyDelete"We expect the UPA govt to make sure that violent elements in TG movement are crushed brutally and settlers in TG are protected from them."
Yup, you still havent showed any proof about any handful encidents, but keep barking about security. Actually it is Seemandra People in Seemandra who wants badly that Telangana@ attack those settlers so that they can take advantage of the situation and keep HYD for them. They have no love towards them, they use them as pawns.
Prove yourself with few incidents about attacks attacks on settlers.
" am not sure if you realize it, but even in the proposed UT utopia that you dream of, the population of the city is less than 10% of population in the proposed area. If you are scared of living in Telangana's Hyderabad, I am not sure what gives you the confidence that your wishes will prevail when 90% of the rest of UT is Telangana people. "
ReplyDeleteFirst of all you assume that those mandals people will not support us. They will be in high growth region. The entire UT strech will become like NCR region.
And how did you arrive at 90% is against us andhras? Muslims,norhties in Hyd definitely support us. They are more than 50% in Hyd city.
Center will protect us in any case.
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ReplyDelete"Center will protect us in any case."
what a comedian are you. You are succeed in trying to show us as Hitler clan. Halarious.....
"Prove yourself with few incidents about attacks attacks on settlers"
ReplyDeleteWhat about the recent attacks on teachers in OU ? We saw them on live televisions. OU goons chasing and beating teachers.
"When ever there is ISI or Muslim terrorism incident always a tail find in HYD. Small state/UT can not control such groups, I reject HYD as UT on the interests of country. "
ReplyDeleteIf telangana is given ,more and more demands will come. All regions with capital will want to kick off their far off areas and keep capital to themselves. Ultimaltely country will disintegrate. I reject TG state demand in the interests of country.
"Do you realise that the 42 MPs (even if they miraculously get on one platform) will have to lobby for 220 other MPs from other states who will have their own vested interests?"
ReplyDeleteDo you think India is USA ? Here in India we dont lobby individual members for every bill. Central government decides and that becomes a bill. We just have to lobby the respective minister and party president of ruling party or coalition head .
@ Nameless ...
ReplyDeleteAnd how did you arrive at 90% is against us andhras?
You are failing to comprehend simple statements in english. Here is my last attempt at driving the point home:
in the 625sqKm of GHMC (current extended Hyderabad area), you may be right with your statistics of 30% non-locals, 30% muslims and 40% other locals.
But... in the proposed 12000sqKm of the UT map in SKC report with 51 mandals from other districts of Telangana, 90% of the population will be people of Telangana. In that configuration, the entire non-local population will be less than 10%... infact may be even less that 6%.
@ Nameless....
ReplyDeleteCentral government decides and that becomes a bill. We just have to lobby the respective minister and party president of ruling party or coalition head .
Hmm... good thing you know atleast this basic point.
Now... take your time and accept the fact that the central govt. led by UPA has announced Telangana in their manifesto.... The Home minister has already announced formation of Telangana State. As you said... the Central govt. decides what will be a bill and what becomes an act.
"take your time and accept the fact that the central govt. led by UPA has announced Telangana in their manifesto.... "
ReplyDeleteYou are wrong on this ,go back and read the manifestos of congress in 2004 & 2009.
In 2004 it said it will create TG through second SRC or consensus.
In 2009 it said it will decide TG based on decision given by Rosiah committee.
If you didnt read the manifestos properly what can we andhras do.
"But... in the proposed 12000sqKm of the UT map in SKC report with 51 mandals from other districts of Telangana, 90% of the population will be people of Telangana. In that configuration, the entire non-local population will be less than 10%... infact may be even less that 6%."
ReplyDeleteWhen they see their land values raise up exponentially , industries in their area which increase income of all dependent services , they will come around.
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ReplyDelete"What about the recent attacks on teachers in OU ? We saw them on live televisions. OU goons chasing and beating teachers."
one counted, next? we too had an attack in vizag, now we are equal.
Next?
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ReplyDelete"I reject TG state demand in the interests of country."
nothing new here, same old tape.
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ReplyDeleteWe are a hard working race.
ReplyDeleteOh! You guys are a race now? Since when? How come no anthropologist has heard of it? What do you call yourself - andhraloids? Physical features that differentiate andhraloids from the other races: pudgy nose, diminutive stature (after all state founder is potti!), pot belly, ghastly face, froggy hips, small you-know-what, jagged teeth, stony lips, gargoyles for ears .. and above all a vile mind.
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ReplyDeleteRead Girglani reports carefully and come back with figures.
I am really sorry for you, you just keep rejecting our numbers but never tried to read that report.
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BTW, to keep in pace with the Food Inflation TNGO is planning to hike this figure to 3 Lakhs very soon.:-)
SKC-II is coming to see if TG development is crossed the entire USA development. :)
I am really sorry for you, you just keep rejecting our numbers but never tried to read that report.
ReplyDeleteLonger you people keep talking like this more you will damage Telangana image.
In this very blog many people have put extracts from Girglani commission. He outright rejected claim of TNGO that 48000 to 53000 jobs in Zone VI are in violation.
You talk like a 3rd standard student making wordsums. But you fare worse coz you make assumptions.
Stop guys! Do not damage Telangana image. Do not defame land of great "Yughandhar".