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Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou have told this same thing 100 times for now. I agree to some extent that percentage growth rates does not give full picture.
What about the per capita incomes in all the screens, according to SKC report :
Telangana including Hyd:36,082
Telangana excluding Hyd:33,771
Rayalaseema : 33,056
Coatal Andhra: 36,496
When you see these numbers there is NOT too much difference between three regions.
If you compare per capita incomes of punjab/maharashra and chattigarh/orissa you will clearly know....I am sure same would be the case with USA and ethiopia...
any body can easily understand that over a period of these consistent growth rates underdeveloped regions will catch up with other relatively developed regions...this is what already happened to telangana..or atleast happening now in telangana.. telangana was certainly not as developed as other regions
before...but not any more...
Sujai is outright lying here. SKC did not say that TG is 'more' developed. But this guy uses that term in his post.
ReplyDeleteAre you willing to change your post ,Sujai ?
correction to my previous post to one of my sentence..
ReplyDeleteIf you compare per capita incomes of punjab/maharashra and chattigarh/orissa you will clearly know THAT ITS NOT THE SAME CASE AS GROWTH RATES PERCENTAGE INCREASES..PER CAPITA INCOMES WOULD BE HUGELY DIFFERENT ......I am sure same would be the case with USA and ethiopia...
unitedguy:
ReplyDeleteIt is a just a matter of time before I will come to that topic as well. Meanwhile, you should understand there is no precedent in Independent India where a new state was formed on the basis of 'per capita'. Article 3 does not mention it either. It always involved aspiration of the people who felt neglected by the state.
For example,
Uttarakhand has a per capita of 30,362 while Uttar Pradesh has a per capita of 15,120. And yet, it was not a reason enough to deny Uttarakhand its statehood. The region was considered neglected though its per capita was higher than the united state.
This is no attempt to make you realize. I am not that naive. I understand thick and obtuse people will remain so in spite of any amount of education.
Name less:
ReplyDeleteSujai is outright lying here. SKC did not say that TG is 'more' developed. But this guy uses that term in his post.
You should understand that that is how media portrayed all through last two days.
We have to counter that propaganda by making a point in the same vein.
Hey sujai...!!!
ReplyDeleteplease do something to report your analysis to the centre and even the entire country..
Eentire country is being misguided by this crap report..
I get a doubt. Did the panel pass their 10 th class exams?
See what SKC wrote and then you guys can clearly see for yourself ,how Sujai is playing mischief here.
ReplyDeleteIt can be clearly observed that Telangana
region has experienced unprecedented growth from 1993-94 onwards, a period
for which the DDP data are extracted; and also note that the absolute levels of
income between regions do not differ much from a national perspective. This has
happened inspite of the fact that the per capita DDP in Telangana excluding
Hyderabad had lowest base levels, yet in recent years it occupies a position
higher than Rayalaseema and lower than coastal Andhra.
See what he wrote ,not just growth rate ,he said absolute levels of per capita income dont differ much.
In 2007-2008 ,these are the figures :
AP :26310
TG(without Hyd ) :25237
Coastal : 26655
Seema : 23860
See the absolute level of TG is not very much less than coastal ,but also greater than seema.
This absolute level happened despite the fact that TG started with a low base.
My appeal to TG people : Dont fall in these guys traps ,read the SKC report thoroughly and decide for yourself.
Hey Sujai.. with your permission may i use your blogs to post elsewhere?
ReplyDeleteName less:
ReplyDeleteCheck out THE HINDU uses this data from Srikrishna Committee Report:
http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/08/stories/2011010864951400.htm
What stands out in the Srikrishna Committee's report is its sagacity in debunking, on the basis of facts, certain dubious and time-worn theories that were in circulation. The report showed that Rayalaseema, a region rich in mineral resources, was more backward than Telangana. The growth in per capita Gross District level Domestic Product (GDDP) between 2000-01 and 2007-08 was 58.4 per cent in all of Andhra Pradesh, while it was 63 per cent in Telangana including Hyderabad, 60.3 per cent excluding Hyderabad, 58 per cent in Rayalaseema and 54.1 per cent in Coastal Andhra.
aravind ..:
ReplyDeleteYou can.
Sujai ,
ReplyDeleteHere the absolute levels in TG is close to the level in Coastal . What is wrong in using percentage growth in this case ?
Percentage growth is bad only if the absolute levels are vastly different which is not in this case.
And coming to using the data by Hindu , how about Prof Jayashankar using the catchment theory to provoke all the TG people ,when he clearly knows that Tribunals in India dont use the catchment as sole creteria.
And point to be made on Ethipoia.
ReplyDeleteLet it grow at 11% for the next 30 -40 years. It will join the league of developed nations.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteI saw on Times Now,few days back , KTR using arguments from your blog "Statistics". Looks like you are able to influence politicians
What Srikrishna committee pointed out was that the indicators (NOT %) are comparable and sometimes better for Telangana than Andhra/Rayalaseema/other states. They started at a low base and when we see that they are almost on par/little lower than Andhra/Rayalaseema, it shows the progress they have achieved. % of growth rates show that growth is still robust and that we can continue to see improvement. Now, statistics speak the situation and if u think and conclude that the committee did not use accurate sources or statistical methods, please get more accurate data and methods and come up with ur own analysis and present it to people. They will judge its credibility and value.
ReplyDeleteNow, if Sujai can compare the actual indicators for his favorite model of ethiopia vs US, he will see they are no where comparable 50+ years back and NOW. So, why would 11% growth rate matter and what would it mean unless u make a stretch that it will grow at that rate for 50+ years.
Sujai lies and also deletes posts. Realize that.
ReplyDeleteI will back that up with screenshots.
The thing about percentages is that they best reflect growth.
GROWTH is always from a starting point. If the staring point is low then no one can help. The telangana guys should blame the Nizam for their starting points being low and actually be happy with the seema-andhra guys that now it is more or less equal.
You cant blame your CEO or your organization that you didnt get a raise when your father screwed up by not sending you to school (or not establishing a school in this case).
Name less:
ReplyDeletewhen he clearly knows that Tribunals in India dont use the catchment as sole creteria.
I will be coming to this topic and we can have extensive debate then. Meanwhile here is something for you think about:
Tribunals do use catchment area as a 'major criteria', and the contribution of water allocation is heavily dependent on catchment area, while other factors make minimal contributions, otherwise states like Karnataka and Maharashtra will not get any water. The same rules apply between countries as well. Please read Bachawat and other tribunal documents.
Andhra Pradesh gets a better share of the water mostly because a good amount of catchment area for rivers Krishna and Godavari lie in Telangana region. In essence, Coastal Andhra is using the contribution of Telangana region to get better share of water and then uses it for itself depriving Telangana region its share of water.
If the state of Telangana is formed then Coastal Andhra would lose a substantial share of water that it uses currently.
The proponents of UT for Mhbr+Hyd+Nlgda are being quite stupid if they are just seeking UT status. In fact, the whole suggestion for including Nalgonda in the UT is for securing Nagarjunasagar dam away from Telangana, and for including Mahabubnagar is for securing the catchment area and other projects that are being planned. Making it UT (and not a state) will now allow Coastal Andhra to continue to get the water the way it has always been getting while Nalgonda and Mahabubnagar will continue to be dry.
I strongly suspect that people of Nalgonda and Mahabubnagar are actually seeking a UT status or United AP the way some of the commenters here suggest. These two districts have suffered a lot because of neglect and that has a basis in Andhra domination in the state and the people of this region have active participant in the Telangana agitation. I believe that these commenters are non-Telangana people who reside in these regions and are just faking to represent the common man.
We are fighting for our state, but we are not naive and we are well-informed. And when we say Srikrishna Committee Report is a lie, we mean it.
Of course, I write this not because I want to convince the likes of you. I am not that naive.
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ReplyDelete@Name less said...
ReplyDeleteI dont have much time to analyze deeply...
but
Sri Krishna committee report:( one of the shittiest reports ever possible)
I am not highly qualified as the panel members are,but I do have a decent brain to comment
1)Extremely unprofessional and crappy premises & conclusions
Anyone who knows critical reasoning(a requirement in the USA to study law) would spit on the report.
Any conclusion should be backed by solid evidence and counter evidence.In some cases there were no evidences
and in some cases they are so vague.Shitty derivations bent keeping in mind their final thoughts.
2) I was not expecting this from a retired judge of the Supreme Court. Probably his mind stopped working.
Illustrations:
Do u collect formal data(officially signed reports) to arrive at something or do you base on informal conversations and word of mouth talks at parties and dinners
?
extract1:
The Committee "informally" discussed the matter with two former Chief Justices of the Hon?ble High Court of Andhra Pradesh and it was learnt that there appears to be no basis for bias
[Aravind] What the heck MR.Sri Krishna..? You guys collect informal data to dismiss something and what not,you use that word blatantly in AN OFFICIAL REPORT
one more:
This is mainly due to the large increase in groundwater irrigation. Such a large increase would not have taken place if it was leading to the general impoverishing of all farmers
[Aravind]
what a bloody piece of shit?Just because the area under irrigation increased by 300% does it mean that farmers were not impoverished?
Any sensible guy would conclude like that?
This is directly contradicting the below PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT at http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/sereport/ser/std_pattrnAP.pdf
"Due to recurring drought conditions, most of the borrowers
in rural areas of Telangana and Rayalaseema regions could not repay
the loans borrowed earlier"
one more :
The formation of the state was somewhat conditional; brought about through the “Gentlemen?s Agreement”
{Aravind] and here goes 'Somewhat' conditional... the agreement was an official one signed by both parties.And the tone of the report says 'somewhat'?
Are agreements half conditional?
the tone clearly suggests that they are not serious enough on violations to Telgangna
first things first,
ReplyDeletedo you realize that sujai is not an indian citizen?
Or is he?
ReplyDeleteOr is he a green card holder?
ReplyDeleteHe has deleted so many of my comments for just asking this???
ReplyDeleteSKC Pointed to Literacy rates, female to male literacy which are in % and uses data from NSS etc. What else would you compare in, apart from %.
ReplyDeleteThe per capita for Telangana(excl Hyd), Telangana (incl Hyd), Coastal and rayalaseema are absolute values in comparison. What else would u use to compare?
Income inequalities were compared for 1993-94 and 2004-05 for all the regions and % changes were given too using data from NCAER. What would u have done?
Now, I will mention the 'region-wise growth in per-capita GDDP' chart you have put up in the first picture. You conveniently ignore what SKC mentioned in the description:
"It can be clearly observed that Telangana
region has experienced unprecedented growth from 1993-94 onwards, a period
for which the DDP data are extracted; and also note that the absolute levels of
income between regions do not differ much from a national perspective. This has
happened inspite of the fact that the per capita DDP in Telangana excluding
Hyderabad had lowest base levels, yet in recent years it occupies a position
higher than Rayalaseema and lower than coastal Andhra"
The committee does say absolute levels are comparable between themselves AND nation-wide and hence, comparing % values make sense.
This does not stand the US vs Ethiopia comparison as all the absolute levels are not comparable and hence % does NOT make sense.
i dont understand why ppl are making personal comments?
ReplyDelete@ Sera
ReplyDeleteMay be sujai lost his cool for a while or may be he made the comment in jest.
Lets not get personal. Attack his view point.
aravind gaani page said
ReplyDeletei dont understand why ppl are making personal comments?
I know. You will understand if you know that Sujai deletes posts and makes comments of that nature and does not want to explain.
Aravind:
ReplyDeleteSKC Pointed to Literacy rates, female to male literacy which are in % and uses data from NSS etc. What else would you compare in, apart from %.
Its a disgrace for a modern democracy called India that it should now start getting into male literacy rate, mortality rate, etc, while making a case for a new state.
NO such thing happened during the formation of Andhra State, Gujarat, Karnataka, Kerala, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura...
No such statistics were used while Telangana was merged with Andhra State.
We, people of Telangana, are being mocked at, ridiculed, and being taken for a ride.
The anger is only compounding. It is not good for anyone when people get so angry.
Aravind:
ReplyDeleteSKC Pointed to Literacy rates, female to male literacy which are in % and uses data from NSS etc. What else would you compare in, apart from %.
Its a disgrace for a modern democracy called India that it should now start getting into male literacy rate, mortality rate, etc, while making a case for a new state.
NO such thing happened during the formation of Andhra State, Gujarat, Karnataka, Kerala, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura...
No such statistics were used while Telangana was merged with Andhra State.
We, people of Telangana, are being mocked at, ridiculed, and being taken for a ride.
The anger is only compounding. It is not good for anyone when people get so angry.
@aravind gaani page
ReplyDeleteI get a doubt. Did the panel pass their 10 th class exams?
Who let you out of your KG class ?
Ok ...for that matter i just noticed Nera post and delete ..
ReplyDeleteNera and Name less said etc., united guy etc., ?if you are so genuine why dont you reveal your profile?
Name less:
ReplyDeleteI don't mind sera calling me anything. I just humored that people are calling me saying they want Mhbr+Nlgda+Hyd are seeking a separate UT but want to get to rid of Kayashtas. It was based in humor. I was trying to make it a point that while she keeps saying that Hyd is different from Telanganas or Seemandhras, how come she is willing to go with Mahabubnagar and Nalgonda.
I realize it was not in good taste. I removed it.
Sera:
You can go ahead and say anything negative about me. But keep all references to just me.
Name less said...
ReplyDelete@ Sera
May be sujai lost his cool for a while or may be he made the comment in jest.
Lets not get personal. Attack his view point.
I agree to that fully name less. I have been posting arguments. Losing cool is understandable. For what he said I asked his citizenship status. Is that also personal.
He really wrote something denigrating. I just asked locus-standi for something like that. Is that also bad?
Sujai is a sensible guy and I understand that sometimes he can lose his cool. That happens. But in the cross-juncture when he based his argument on me being a Khayast I think I was fully in my limits to ask him whether he is an Indian citizen or a green card holder.
I think I was fair. Correct me name less if I am wrong.
i think guys are playing mischief here.. fuck off and go to hell
ReplyDeleteMr Sujai.. if you are so bothered why do u encourage anonymous posting...
ReplyDelete@ Sera
ReplyDeleteSince we ourselves are using anonymous ids may be it is not fair if we ask personal details even if it is as simple as citizenship. I understand the context in which you asked for such info.
Mr Sujai.. if you are so bothered why do u encourage anonymous posting...
ReplyDeleteI do allow people to berate me, insult me, and call me names. I don't mind that. But it should not cross limits.
I do not like people discussing details of my personal life on this blog. I do not use any information about your personal life other than what you willingly disclose on this forum. I expect the same from others.
@Sujai But that doesnot explain the High Gross Domestic Product, per-capita of Telangana. A more reasonable explanation will be that as Industrial Units are established around Hyderabad in Dirt Poor District like Nalgonda, Mahboobnagar They Show very High GDP growth rate, for example 76% for Nalgonda vs 55% for whole of Andhra in past 10 years.
ReplyDeleteThese Industrial Units are owned By Andhras, have andhra workers, take land away from locals and Pollute Telanganana.
The GDP growth rate of Telangana will be Much lower. If you exclude that of Hyderabad and Mandals within 150KM radius of hyderabad in districts like RR,Nalgonda,mahbbonagar.
SKC is not Dumb they Just played around with Statistics to make case for United Andhra.
A short story on the Irony of devlopement within Telangana
http://telanganasatire.blogspot.com/
@Sujai:
ReplyDelete"Its a disgrace for a modern democracy called India that it should now start getting into male literacy rate, mortality rate, etc, while making a case for a new state.
NO such thing happened during the formation of Andhra State, Gujarat, Karnataka, Kerala, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura..."
I wonder if you have the clarity to think through. The mandate of SKC was to look at the claims of 'backwardness' and 'discrimination' and look at all the human, social and economic indicators.
I pointed to them to highlight the statistical means used to arrive at conclusions. You pointed out how the % growth rates were used to arrive at 'Telangana is developed' conclusion. This conclusion is incorrect and they did NOT use just % growth rates to arrive at their conclusion. They looked at all these factors.
You have to do a better job than arriving at baseless generalizations. You never lose an opportunity to mention 'disgrace to modern demo... like India' even when it is not required. What is wrong in looking at these indicators to verify whether a region is backward, poor and discriminated?
@Unitedguy
ReplyDelete<<<What about the per capita incomes in all the screens, according to SKC report :
Telangana including Hyd:36,082
Telangana excluding Hyd:33,771
Rayalaseema : 33,056
Coatal Andhra: 36,496.
MY Take:
Telangana excluding Hyd and Industrial areas around Hyd within radius of 150 KM: 21,000
Aravind:
ReplyDeleteThe mandate of SKC was to look at the claims of 'backwardness' and 'discrimination' and look at all the human, social and economic indicators.
Enlighten me. Where did they look at ‘discrimination’ in the report? Leave aside ‘backwardness’ for a while.
This conclusion is incorrect and they did NOT use just % growth rates to arrive at their conclusion. They looked at all these factors.
Well, they did conclude in the summary by not selection Option 5 as the first choice. And this report is being used by media to say that ‘Telangana is not backward’. Nobody is saying ‘Telangana is not discriminated’.
What is wrong in looking at these indicators to verify whether a region is backward, poor and discriminated?
Do you really think Andhra State, Gujarat, Uttarakhand would be formed if we were to verify whether a region is backward using ‘flawed statistics’ as being done, or if we were to go into silly details like mortality rates, female to male literacy ratios?
"The thing about percentages is that they best reflect growth."
ReplyDeleteI wonder what kind of a company you are driving Mr.Sera!!!!
I feel sorry for your employees..
Since when has percentage BEST reflected growth????
I ask you this since we teach everyday,that percentages are NOT equal to actual numbers....
75% 0F 1000 IS NOT EQUAL TO 75...
What you need is a good dose of common sense,which you seem to be lacking..
P.S:
Please do your kids a favour,don't teach them....
The SKC also states that the Telangana region has more per capita income compared to SA,BUT has the unenviable record of the most number of hunger deaths of impoverished farmers committing suicides due to poverty.
ReplyDeleteStupids from a different planet.
The whole arugument about Statistics that say Telangana including Hyd and Telangana excluding Hyd is Dubious.
ReplyDeleteIt should be Telangan excluding Hyd and Sorrounding areas within 150 KM( because most of the Pharma,Chemical and Heavy manufacturing firms are "Just Outside", in the poorest Districts of Telangana like Nalgonda and Mboobnagar, but if u take GDP these districts will come richest adding it to Telanganas GDP.
@ Lavanya
ReplyDeleteI would actually want to know what company you are heading.
A drivers hike will be 20% while the CEOs hike will be 2%.
But then the thing is where is the starting point?
The CEO is NIT/REC/IIT kind of guy while the driver is you know what.
Blame the nizam or your father not the seema-andhra guys. You are getting ridiculous here.
aditya:
ReplyDeleteSKC is not Dumb they Just played around with Statistics to make case for United Andhra.
Statistics are easy to play with. If SKC actually did a dispassionate and unbiased study they would have made different conclusions. In the entire report, they use the tone of ‘suspicion’ when the data were provided by Telangana activists, but use a tone of ‘assurance’ when data were provided by the Government of Seemandhra activists.
We were aware that certain vested groups were presenting these interpretations and data, but there was some sense of hope that this Committee would actually see through and do justice. They fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I feel sad that such a Committee could be hijacked so easily. Imagine what is happening in the cases related to 2G scam, Common Wealth scam, etc.
My Name is Narsing, I live in a Lambada hamlet, I work as a Shepard, Mine is Nalgonda district ( apparently the most developed district in AP according to SKC, 76% vs 55% of Andhra).
ReplyDelete10 years ago a wealth Businessman came from Andhra and established a "chemical manufacturing plant" in my village, for which he brought along "workers" from his own native place .
The land for the "Chemical plant" was given by Govt, It was Our land but the govt took it in the name of "Development" and paid us Dirt for Compensation.
The Plant pollutes the only lake in my village and some of my "sheep" died when they drank water from the lake.
But Iam a Happy Man now, Because the Gross Domestic Product(GDP) of my village is 50 crore Rupees per year, more than any Canal Irrigated Village in Andhra and Sree Krishna Committee Just confirmed it. HURRAH!!!!!!!!.
TG propaganda debunked by SKC :
ReplyDelete1. River water looting. SKC dismissed
that theory
2. Job looting : SKC quoted girgilani commission report and said the non locals in zone 5 & zone 6 is 18000 not 2 lakhs as propagated. out of that 14000 have been sent back.
3. Per capita income absolute levels and growth rate at par with coastal region.
@arvind gaani
ReplyDeleteYou appear very late to this blog.
Sujai's posts were submitted to Nobel peace prize. But NRI Andhrollu sabotaged his chances by bribing the Nobel comittee.
This time round you and rest of Telangana must help hime get the Nobel.
If it was my college project.
ReplyDeleteName: SKC.
Aim: To disprove Claims of Discrimination and underdevelopment in Telangana.
Subject: How to make a case for United Andhra.
Tools: Statistics made out of air during informal discussions with Andhra Administrators.
"The SKC also states that the Telangana region has more per capita income compared to SA,BUT has the unenviable record of the most number of hunger deaths of impoverished farmers committing suicides due to poverty."
ReplyDeleteDid all those suicides happen because Telangana got less water , nothing to do with droughts, floods, money lenders ?
Statistics are easy to play with. If SKC actually did a dispassionate and unbiased study . . .
ReplyDeleteI think its time we call the UN or the red cross in OU.
Come on. . . This bullshit needs to end somewhere.
SKC is not simon commission put by the britishers, It is put by the central govt . You dont want to believe that too. . .
And want to compare with Bolshevik revolution, che guevera, french revolution, washington raids, martin luther king. . .
While all the while you sent your elected representatives. . .
The nonsense is too much.
@RICH NALGONDA
ReplyDeleteDouble HURRA!
SKC confirmed theory of T-vaadis.
Telanganas poor, no water, no jobs, cannot setup factories not even schools, Andhras did not contribute to any development of Telangana including Hyderabad.
Yet! 75% state income comes from Telangana region.
3 times HURRA!
@sera,
ReplyDeletejust today KTR talked the same in iNews. If needed they will take it to international human rights.
Hail Kalwakuntla family.
I read somewhere in the SKC report, the members moaning about the difficulty to operate with a "skeletal" staff .The fact is that 15 crore Rs of Public Money was Spent, they travelled in "style" Presidential type convoys of Honda Civics for each member, stayed at 5star like places, is this really necessary for a "Academic exercise".
ReplyDeleteThe members were Congragulating themselves for Submitting "report within deadline", for such a shoddy work U dont need one year to complete.
500 pages of tiolet paper.
TG people,
ReplyDeleteSKC report says you are on par with andhra region and rest of country. It doesnt say that there is no poverty in TG or that all TG people are developed.
Any region in this country will not be too much different from the country average. We can all region underdeveloped only if it is significantly different from the country averages or state averages.
Also SKC mentions one more thing. In telangana income disparity is increasing meaning your region wealth is in the control of rich people of your region. Fight them ,not the andhras
Sera:
ReplyDeleteI think its time we call the UN or the red cross in OU.
Come on. . . This bullshit needs to end somewhere.
The bullshit can end the way it ended for demands for new states in India. The precedents are pretty clear and Indian Constitution clearly lays down the steps. Article 3 needs to be used. A bill has to be placed in the Parliament. That’s only prescribed step in Indian Constitution. And people of Telangana are demanding it. That’s how you end the bullshit.
SKC is not simon commission put by the britishers, It is put by the central govt . You dont want to believe that too. . .
Its worse than Britisher’s Simon Commission. This report is made by people who are both intellectually corrupt and probably financially corrupt.
Why should one believe the government in a democracy? The whole idea of a modern nation stems from the fact that we as people mistrust the government. Hence, the checks and balances and certain well laid procedures – such as Article 3. Instead of tabling the bill in the Parliament which the Indian Constitution clearly prescribes, why does Central Government get into committees and pushes to a consensus among political parties and asks for a discussion in State Assembly?
And want to compare with Bolshevik revolution, che guevera, french revolution, washington raids, martin luther king. . .
Good that you seem to know some words from history.
The nonsense is too much.
Well it was too much nonsense for princes and rajahs when Indians were fighting for Independence. They just didn’t want to be with India and instead strived to carve out enclaves for themselves. History is a testament to such selfish interests trying to disrupt a genuine people’s movement. Thankfully it was the aspirations of the people, not those of elite and vested groups, that prevailed.
@Sera
ReplyDeletesera said...
Or is he a green card holder?
I dont care if he is a "Martian".
Faltu committee VAGUE REFERENCES :It is learnt by the present Committee that during the past four years, as a result of the steps taken by the Government to implement Girglani Report, "there has been great improvement in the satisfaction level of Telangana employees on the
ReplyDeleteimplementation of G.O. 610."
Man what a vague statement.. I want to know how did the committee learn ? from which source? Did Telangana employees tell them? of is it informal talks with Andhra lobbyists?
Lol.. fucking arguments
@Sera
ReplyDelete<<I think its time we call the UN or the red cross in OU.
The Lebanese did that , called in a UN commission to Investigate ex-PM Hariris murder, 4 years on investigation still going on and People are killing each other for 4year, that will happen in telangana too.
@Sujai
ReplyDelete"Meanwhile, you should understand there is no precedent in Independent India where a new state was formed on the basis of 'per capita'."
There is no precendent in independent india that a new state where they have the capital city of the united state is formed with that CITY.
Jharkhand did not get patna..chattisgarh did not get bhopal..uttaranchal did not get lucknow..gujarat did not get mumbai..andhra state did not get madras....
The whole problem lies there...(though its not an issue for you guys..it is an issue for people who has to take that decision ie central govt)....
There is some similar problem during punjab and haryana division..see what decision central govt took.. both haryana and punjab compromised on their stands...
At the most some thing like that will happen if at all this state gets divided...
SKC report clearly said hyderabad is developed by people of all the three regions...it would be gross injustice to other two regions if it goes only to telangana....
Sera...
ReplyDeleteThe last I remember...the government of India is everybody's father in the country...
The govt as a karta,is supposed to take care of the welfare of all the members of the family and not just support the stronger/smarter ones....
If one of your kids is unable to cope with his studies,you do not throw him down and let the other one grow on his rightful share.....
On the contrary,as a parent,you must safe guard the weaker child's rights,so that he does not get cheated by his smarter siblings...
The GOI has failed to do that...
On one hand you are telling us that you and your generations flourished in the Hyderabad state and then you ask me why Telanganites were ignorant enough to let that happen...
You wouldn't have been sitting here to discuss this,if they haven't been naive enough to allow the first place....
"Blame the nizam or your father not the seema-andhra guys."
You used the wrong words to describe your example here....
Do you blame your father and your elders for not standing up to talk to the GOI about your groups rights during the merger????
I remember you spoke earlier that your elders did not say anything nor were they asked for an opinion when Hyd was merged with Andhra...
Would you blame your father and grandfather for your present crises???????
@Aravind
ReplyDeleteMy Guess on SKC members Daily routine for the past 12 months.
Sit in their Mumbai Base Camp, Have some informal 1hr Debates Session with each other for 2,3 times daily with Intervals for Drinking wine or whisky for Mr Duggal.
Enjoy trips to AP once in a month and the royalty tratment given by AP.
Outsource the real work to Some offical or a Research student working under Kaur.
Lavish Dinners with Andhra leaders are Bonus.
There is no precendent in independent india that a new state where they have the capital city of the united state is formed with that CITY.
ReplyDeleteYou have to get intellectually honest with yourself. If the question is about Hyderabad why not make it the moot point in the Srikrishna Committee report, instead of talking about per capita?
SKC report clearly said hyderabad is developed by people of all the three regions...it would be gross injustice to other two regions if it goes only to telangana....
You are on a slippery here. If giving away capital to one region is gross injustice to other regions, then no new state could ever be formed. Andhra State could never be formed because Chennai goes to Madras State, and so on.
@Nameless,
ReplyDelete"Did all those suicides happen because Telangana got less water , nothing to do with droughts, floods, money lenders ?"
Care to explain how a farmer grows crops without water????
The droughts that plagued the state were mainly due to the excess usage of underground water by the farmers here,who could not beg the GOAP enough to release
water for their crops.....and the money lenders loans were just the last straw,that must have driven them to suicides..
Don't pass comments on someone's helplessness....it shows your class.
"
ReplyDeleteDon't pass comments on someone's helplessness....it shows your class."
Dont use poor people's misery to provoke them ,so rich/elite people like you can feel superior
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou are just discrediting this SKC report because it does not suit your conclusion. But you don't understand that this committee and its findings are going to matter to the people who has to take the decision..i.e central govt...they just cannot go against their own commitee's findings...
In a way this commitee just strenghtened united AP arguement...
If at all central govt has to take a different decision than the what commitee has suggested as best option ...it would be herculian task to convince every one after this reports findings..you might discredit but they cannot ..because its thier committee....
What they basically said was telangana is getting developed at huge pace than the other regions since 1993/94 on wards only not before.......and it is catching up..or almost on par now..
7.15.11 “Telangana festivals like Bonalu, Sammakka-Sarakka Jathara are
ReplyDeletewidely popular across AP. The government, people and media have always given
equal importance to these occasions.
SKC members must be immediately admitted in Erragadda Mental Hospital, they may be Menance not only to society but to themselves.
Hey all this is nonsense the way I see it is what Sujai says also.
ReplyDeleteYou should move article 3. And thats it.
It should be a political process. Thats what at least what I have been saying. Meanwhile everyone should be arrested who goes violent or should be shot (with rubber bullets that is).
Hope the extortion stops otherwise they (the KCR and KTR family and their goons) need to be shot (and I dont mean rubber bullets here).
Meanwhile we need to explore the genuine demand of a UT/state to be formed in the amalgamation of the districts of Nalgonda, Mehboobnagar, Medak, Ranga Reddy and Hyderabad.
unitedguy:
ReplyDeleteYou are just discrediting this SKC report because it does not suit your conclusion.
I am discrediting this report because it is intellectually dishonest.
But you don't understand that this committee and its findings are going to matter to the people who has to take the decision
There is a grave danger to this region if they take this committee seriously. This report sets new precedents for Telangana and India, like using per capita growth rates for measuring backwardness, or saying that there is legitimacy to argument that Telangana does not get water because it is higher up on the plateau, or that government employees of Telangana are happy with GO 610, while taking oral discussions as evidences that there is no injustice in judiciary. Such nonsensical precedents are harmful to Telangana and India in general and it is our duty, as Telanganas and Indians, to fight such Intellectual Corruption before it becomes endemic.
it would be herculian task to convince every one after this reports findings
There were many commissions by British, but Indians took on the herculean task to convince its people something very different. This is report is far worse than what British made.
sera:
ReplyDeleteYou should move article 3. And thats it.
Good that we agree at least on one point.
It should be a political process. Thats what at least what I have been saying. Meanwhile everyone should be arrested who goes violent or should be shot (with rubber bullets that is).
Your arrogance and apathy is appalling. The protestors are fighting for tabling the bill, so that this government follows the prescribed political process which it is not. Instead of supporting the protestors and joining them (since you are also prescribing using Article 3), you are just being insensitive to the very fighters who are fighting for your cause.
Hope the extortion stops otherwise they (the KCR and KTR family and their goons) need to be shot (and I dont mean rubber bullets here).
You should be careful with what you say about those who could be your potential leaders. ;-)
(This is for your own good. Recently someone who just posted a message against Shivaji was arrested and jailed.)
Meanwhile we need to explore the genuine demand of a UT/state to be formed in the amalgamation of the districts of Nalgonda, Mehboobnagar, Medak, Ranga Reddy and Hyderabad.
Where did you get the idea of Medak? Do you know anything about Telangana? Did you read the report from SKC or you just come here to party because you can’t hang around with our teenage friends?
@Sujai
ReplyDelete"You are on a slippery here. If giving away capital to one region is gross injustice to other regions, then no new state could ever be formed. Andhra State could never be formed because Chennai goes to Madras State, and so on."
It is telangana people who are asking for a separate state..not the other two regions...certainly telangana cannot get hyderabad the biggest city which grew at the cost of every other city in state..a state cannot be formed like this..thats the whole problem...
When you talked about precendence..i was giving some examples of what happened in previous state formations....
There are no precedents for these two below issues also :
1) language was used as a marker to form all other non hindi states..now this is the first time they are touching the state which is formed on linguistic basis..
2) The region having the capital and biggest city of the united state is asking for a separate state.
These are the things in addition to non existing backwardness(according to central govt SKC reprot) will complicate the matters for cental govt to form telangana now....
@Nameless and senseless,
ReplyDelete"Dont use poor people's misery to provoke them ,so rich/elite people like you can feel superior"
A poor man needs no provocation...
Almost all or most of the people at the meetings and rallies were either farmers or their ilk,and not the elite/rich folk that need and demand their own state today...
If anything,the educated are helping them widen their periphery.....
We aren't using their grievances,they are using us to reach out to dumb heads in the govt who discuss and decide their development based on statistics.....
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My Battle Plan on Total war against Settlers and likes of Sera.
ReplyDeleteRope in Some Bottling Plant owner with a Warehouse , Buy 10,000 Beer bottles in Bulk, Rent a Petrol Tanker, fill the bottles with a perfect mixture of Petrol,kerosene,thermocol you Got 10,000 Molotovs , Have a blast for Sankranthis Bhogi Mantalu.
I think we are comparing the wrong items here.What Telangana is deprived is of its eligible share in expenditure,be it education,health and river water..
ReplyDeleteSKC giving importance to per capita income..but taking the expense part on a lighter note..
Panchayat Raj expenditures suggests that Rayalaseems is getting way too much expenditure with out generating the sufficient local revenue.
Even in Educational funds, Coastal andhra gets more than what it is entitled to...
When the % per capita income of T is higher than Andhra they say Telangana is catching up
when the allocated funds for T in education/river water is less ,they say it is historical reasons and higher plateau..
What a crap
A warning to the people, the good and the evil
ReplyDeleteThis is war
To the soldier, the civilian, the martyr, the victim
This is war
It's the moment of truth and the moment to lie
And the moment to live and the moment to die
The moment to fight, the moment to fight
To fight, to fight, to fight
To the right, to the left
We will fight to the death
To the edge of the Earth
It's a brave new world from the last to the first.
Unitedguy:
ReplyDeleteIt is telangana people who are asking for a separate state..not the other two regions...
Just take a look at your own argument. A state gets separated when one region or both the regions want to separate. Usually it has been that one region want to separate from the other. So, all the cities and districts that fall in each region go with the region. Just because in the past the developed regions were usually in and around the capital city does not mean it is a hard and fast rule for division of states that the regions that ‘requests’ to separate has to forgo capital city even when it is deep inside the region. What about lakes, coal mines? Does the region which asks for separation have to let go of them also? What about power plants?
If you take this argument and talk to someone who is not from India you will get to know how foolish it is. It is unfortunate that such foolish arguments have got into mainstream in India.
certainly telangana cannot get hyderabad the biggest city which grew at the cost of every other city in state
Certainly Telangana gets Hyderabad just the way it gets the rivers that flows through it, the towns that reside inside it, the coal mines that reside in it, including all the problems it resides inside it. Lack of intellectual capacity to comprehend history and division of states and countries is leading to such ridiculous arguments and objections that people inside Andhra Pradesh are currently raising. One day, ten years from now, we will wonder how we could have got into such ridiculous propositions. BTW, Nizam wanted to become an independent nation though he was completely surrounded by India on all sides. We find that foolish now, but back then he actually thought it was possible.
1) language was used as a marker to form all other non hindi states..now this is the first time they are touching the state which is formed on linguistic basis..
Is there a rule that states that are formed on linguistic basis cannot be divided? There are many Hindi speaking states. There is nothing which says there should be only one Telugu speaking state. SKC is intellectually deficit. You can use that argument to almost any new state in India. With Uttarakhand, I could say that there is no precedent that predominantly hilly state was made a state. With Jharkhand, I could say that it was there is no precedent that a predominantly tribal region is made a state and so on. Those are silly arguments.
Rivers like Godavari,Krishna just because they are flowing in Telangana dont belong to them. They are "strategic assets" of the Nation and be taken over as Union Property( Perhaps by Pipelines to Delhi).
ReplyDeleteTelanganaites are thugs they dont deserve water.
@Sera,
ReplyDelete"Meanwhile we need to explore the genuine demand of a UT/state to be formed in the amalgamation of the districts of Nalgonda, Mehboobnagar, Medak, Ranga Reddy and Hyderabad."
Why not make a new UT/State with all of the above and include Khammam,Warangal,Nizamabad,Karimnagar and Adilabad as well...
Let's start collecting our groups and put this suggestion in action....NOW.
You and we could work on this one...and we promise to do whatever is in our might to help YOU form the new state.....
Andhras Say Telangana is Cursed Naturally by High Plateau so Scarcity of water is to be expected, Telangana
ReplyDeletepeople are also cursed(depends on your view) to be Natural borne Revolutionary Fighters, You Have seen Our Patience So far we didnt even Spill a Single drop of Andhra blood , Not because we are afraid of CRPF but we thought Division without violence is possible. Andhras have closed the doors on all "peaceful" options ,NOW PREPARE TO FACE WRATH OF TELANGANA.
Indian Army has to be called in, You fools dont Understand with Simple Lathis and Rubber bullets you Telangana Goons Need to face Real Bullets and Bombs.
ReplyDelete@Sera,
ReplyDelete"Rivers like Godavari,Krishna just because they are flowing in Telangana dont belong to them. They are "strategic assets" of the Nation and be taken over as Union Property( Perhaps by Pipelines to Delhi).
Telanganaites are thugs they dont deserve water."
No comments.....
sera:
ReplyDeleteTelanganaites are thugs they dont deserve water.
Do you realize that people of Mahabubnagar and Nalgonda are also Telanganites?
May be they will become "Civilized" after a few years in the new Union Territory of Hyderabad.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteSera went to Andhra school of logic.
ReplyDeleteWater from Krishna Godavari needs to be airlifted through pipelines to Delhi?????
Telanganites don't deserve water....
How can Telanganites be stupid enough to let us succeed???
Mbngr,Nlgnda,Medak,R.R and Hyd are not part of Telangana...
Sera,take rest and get well soon...
It is written in SKC report that Nizam Invited Andhras to "Teach" Agriculture to Uncivilized Telanganas the Same way he invited Khayasts and Marwadis to DO business because Telangans are illiterate fools Who cant even Count.
ReplyDelete@Lavanya
ReplyDelete<<<Water from Krishna Godavari needs to be airlifted through pipelines to Delhi?????
Dont be a fool I didnt say that, It can be done Through Interconnecting all Rivers.
sera:
ReplyDeleteDont be a fool I didnt say that, It can be done Through Interconnecting all Rivers.
Recently they found water on the Moon; you can have a pipe straight from the Moon to your UT.
"Rivers like Godavari,Krishna just because they are flowing in Telangana dont belong to them. They are "strategic assets" of the Nation and be taken over as Union Property( Perhaps by Pipelines to Delhi)."
ReplyDeleteNow...which genius said this????
"It is written in SKC report that Nizam Invited Andhras to "Teach" Agriculture to Uncivilized Telanganas the Same way he invited Khayasts and Marwadis to DO business because Telangans are illiterate fools Who cant even Count."
By that logic you and your ilk must have been born with and inherited all the knowledge without ever stepping into a school or college...
No wonder your comments speak so much for you....
Take rest kid...
If Telangana is granted , Backward Caste people will be 90% of Population, KCR will become Mayawathi or Lalu Prasad of Telangana, and a world Class city will go to dogs. Central govt will never let that happen.
ReplyDeletesera:
ReplyDeleteMay be they will become "Civilized" after a few years in the new Union Territory of Hyderabad.
So you want to colonize Mahabubnagar and Nalgonda the way Andhras colonized Telangana (in an attempt to 'make us civilized')
sera:
ReplyDeleteIf Telangana is granted , Backward Caste people will be 90% of Population, KCR will become Mayawathi or Lalu Prasad of Telangana, and a world Class city will go to dogs. Central govt will never let that happen.
So, you are saying that if a state is dominated by Backward Caste, it will go to dogs. I am assuming Kayastha is upper caste then. Is there a way your group can make lots of babies so that upper caste becomes the majority?
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteLets just wish Sera a speedy recovery,and hope he/she is blessed with a bit more logic tomorrow...
and the above comment was hilarious...
Thanks ;)
What Iam trying to Say is that More "populist" Schemes like Under YSR will be Started, The State budget will go hay-wire, KCR will give scraps to poor and will become twice richer than YSR. Why try to Mess Up a good thing that is Hyderabad, Sujai things will be lot worser for Telangana under KCR. Hyderabad cannot sustain Itself without Investments made by Andhra NRI's and capitalist farmers.
ReplyDelete@Sujai
ReplyDelete<<< Is there a way your group can make lots of babies so that upper caste becomes the majority?.
Theoratically possible , Surgically or Chemically Castrate your Men..
But practically the Survival of Fittest law takes care of it.
Sera:
ReplyDeleteSujai things will be lot worser for Telangana under KCR.
So your opposition to the formation of Telangana stems from the fear that KCR will become CM. What if we assure you that he will not become CM, would you then gladly embrace the cause of Telangana?
"If Telangana is granted , Backward Caste people will be 90% of Population, KCR will become Mayawathi or Lalu Prasad of Telangana, and a world Class city will go to dogs. Central govt will never let that happen"
ReplyDeleteI read that the Kayastha community is a mixed race of the Brahmin and the Kshatriya castes....
Is that the reason for your confused rants????
Blame your grand parents for your genetic disorders not the Telanganites...
"If Telangana is granted , Backward Caste people will be 90% of Population,
ReplyDeleteYou should just learn to keep your mouth shut before some one arrests you for shooting comments which can cause communal violence....They are called sedition laws....
India has a precedent of giving the highest civilian honour to people from many groups of the society...
Genetic disorders cannot be cured,inspite of the access to the best form of education...
"KCR will become Mayawathi or Lalu Prasad of Telangana, and a world Class city will go to dogs."
A funny Lalu or an egoistic Mayawathi are anyday less dangerous compared to the white collar criminals at the Centre today....
Sujai,
ReplyDelete" What about lakes, coal mines? Does the region which asks for separation have to let go of them also?"
How can you compare a man made city like hyderabad which is develolped by state, central govts and lakhs of other private people all over the state with to that of natural resources like rivers, coal mines etc...I will it you if it makes sense...
"Is there a rule that states that are formed on linguistic basis cannot be divided? There are many Hindi speaking states. There is nothing which says there should be only one Telugu speaking state."
I did not say that there is a rule like that and cannot be divided...when you are talking about precedents...all i was saying that there is no precedence for this....until now..
Lets accept for a while that SKC has used all fudged data..(which i dont believe) if at all central govt really wants to form a seperate telangana state why would they allow a committe created by them to give a report like this..at the least they will not make public if they made some thing like this report..
All i am saying is ..from the way things are going on now central govt does not seem to be interested in forming a separate state...for what ever reasons might be..might be AP specific like back lash in SA area or other national problems..like similar problems in other states..like vidharba or gurkaland etc......
Rich nalgonda,
ReplyDeleteIf that factory had been set up by a marwadi and workers brought from bihar/bengal would you have been happy?
ITW is a company originally promoted by a Telanganite. Did anyone ever wonder why he employed very few Telanganite workers? And why the employment of Telanganites in his Pennar group is so low.
No sensible industrialist employs people just because they are from Andhra or his district. he employees people who are the best from those available. in a majority of companies in and around Hyderabad I have personal experience ( and my fellow telanganites also may have )that very few people from the surrounding districts used to apply for skilled jobs in the 80s and 90s.
As a lambada you yourself are a settler. you and many others migrate to AP because you are treated as ST here. you have been given land by the govt. you have been allowed to set up your thandas. now you are asking the thandas to be treated as a separate entity from the panchayat. and you have the gall to talk about settlers ! What a joke.
Examples of Telangana fascism given in SKC report :
ReplyDeleteOn page 350 they write :
During the Committee‟s visit to a village in Khammam district, located close to the border of Krishna district in coastal Andhra, with a large percentage of settler population from the coastal side, the Committee was surprised to know on enquiry that not a single person from among the settlers was present among the two hundred odd gathering that had come to make representations before the
Committee. On further enquiry, the Sarpanch reluctantly informed the Committee that the settlers had been asked not to come and were too afraid to share their views.
On page 351 they write :
In Nizamabad district, where the Committee visited a settler‟s village, the locals were overwhelmed by TRS party supporters who surrounded the venue. The
settlers themselves were muted and hesitant in expressing their opinions. These are villages of migrants of long standing from the Godavari delta who were initially invited by the Nizam to carry out irrigated agriculture after the
construction of the Nizamsagar dam. The local people‟s grouse against these “settlers” is that they tend to hold themselves aloof and have not really become integrated with the local population. Their prosperity often sets them apart from the local population, leading to a certain amount of envy and a reinforcement of the belief that they have deprived the Telangana locals of resources and
opportunities.
Name less:
ReplyDeleteExamples of Telangana fascism given in SKC report :
This is exactly what I am referring to. At least there are many Andhras living in Telangana. Srikrishna could not find Telanganas living in Andhra region. Imagine that situation.
Its like India and Pakistan. You will see nearly 14% Muslims in India but you will not see even 1% Hindus in Pakistan. That's because Muslims could make India their home, but Hindus could not make Pakistan their home.
If you are not getting it -> Here the comparison is India with Telangana (tolerant) and Pakistan with Andhra region (intolerant).
I hope you understand that it is easy to just sit there and keep on poking holes.
"This is exactly what I am referring to. At least there are many Andhras living in Telangana. Srikrishna could not find Telanganas living in Andhra region. Imagine that situation. "
ReplyDeleteThats because telangana labourers cannot compete with andhra labourers in terms of hard work.
Agricultural land in andhra is very costly so it doesnt make business sense for TG people to sell their cheap lands and buy expensive lands in andhra for the almost same amount of agricultural output.
And what about the aspirations of this minority group in telangana
Name less:
ReplyDeleteThats because telangana labourers cannot compete with andhra labourers in terms of hard work.
That's the line of excuses Nazis give why there were so few Jews remaining in Germany.
Your theories reek of Nazism, btw.
Name less:
ReplyDeleteI said this to you: insincerity shows. It does sooner or later.
Thats because telangana labourers cannot compete with andhra labourers in terms of hard work.
While you continue to feign concern for Telangana lower castes (which comprise most of the labor) and its students, you also deride them ridicule them. The superiority complex that Telangana Movement accuses of Andhras comes out from people like you. Sooner or later.
That, that alone, justifies this movement. This region has to rid itself of oppressors like you. Otherwise this region has no hope. It will continue to be an internal colony.
Option 4 is nothing but an attempt to make another internal colony.
"That's the line of excuses Nazis give why there were so few Jews remaining in Germany.
ReplyDeleteYour theories reek of Nazism, btw. "
So funny ,Sujai. When Tvadis threatened to kill andhras ,threatened to evict them from TG,basically told that andhras in TG have to live tg people mercy, you didnt remember Nazism. Selective amnesia i guess
Name less:
ReplyDeleteSo funny ,Sujai. When Tvadis threatened to kill andhras ,threatened to evict them from TG,basically told that andhras in TG have to live tg people mercy, you didnt remember Nazism. Selective amnesia i guess
If you want to know I can explain. But I am not sure you can understand.
Most colonial countries participate in a rhetoric which says, ‘we will get rid of the masters’. That is not equivalent to Nazism, because here the colonies are being ruled by the masters. Indochina, Algeria, etc, are not considered to embrace Nazism when they kicked out their masters. Here the ruled do not consider themselves to be superior to the master, but are fighting the superiority of the master.
Nazism involves a sense of superiority complex of oneself (which you exhibited in the previous mail where you said that Andhra laborers are more hardworking than Telangana laborers). Telanganas do not exhibit superiority complex but are fighting it in their masters.
[I do not condone, justify nor approve of the angry rhetoric that comes from some of the Telangana activists ]
@pok,
ReplyDelete"As a lambada you yourself are a settler. you and many others migrate to AP because you are treated as ST here. you have been given land by the govt. you have been allowed to set up your thandas. now you are asking the thandas to be treated as a separate entity from the panchayat. and you have the gall to talk about settlers ! What a joke."
As an Andhrite or Other,you yourself are a settler...You and others settled here since you were allowed to live here or be merged with Hyderabad...You have been given land..You have been given permission to set up your factories and industries here...Now,you are asking our lands and ask our share in Hyderabad be shared....And you have the gall to talk about Hyd to be made a UT!!What a joke....
Just a parody....
If you want to know I can explain. But I am not sure you can understand.
ReplyDelete@Sujai,
there was one 'bandar' joke in one of blogs here. Like that only big brained people Arundhati roy, Gilani et al can understand you.
@Sujai
ReplyDeleteSmall doubt.In one of your early post(may be 5 or 6 th POst on telangana)to one of the question u answered saying "Why can't we have smaller states??" Just check the GDP of Jharkand.Uttarakand.How good they are doing"
To support your concept of smaller states u asked to check the GDP.
But when SKC gave report on Telangana showing the GDP.U cry foul!!!
Does it not double standard?
:Smiley
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteDoes it not double standard?
Chattisgarh and Jharkhand are doing good. But they are still backward. I use the example of Chattisgarh in the poster above citing it as 'backward state'.
Telangana may be doing good. But it is still backward.
Hope that makes sense.
@Sujai:
ReplyDeleteSo, you feel that self respect is more important than statistics to form a separate state.
What if all south Indians protest saying that we want a separate country because North Indians have ruled the country for a longer time than south Indians did.
Hope that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteEvery thing makes sense as you want it so.
Taanu cheste sringaaram parulu cheste...
Don Corleone:
ReplyDelete@Sujai:
So, you feel that self respect is more important than statistics to form a separate state.
What if all south Indians protest saying that we want a separate country because North Indians have ruled the country for a longer time than south Indians did.
First: Let's not simplify things with an intention to ridicule it later. Telangana Movement is not about having more Telangana CMs. If you think that is basis for Telangana Movement, I encourage you to know more about this movement. That way we will have a reasonable discussion.
Second: No country's borders are permanent. Countries evolve and change shape. If indeed India does such a shoddy job with South India there could arise a situation where it would like to form a separate nation. I believe that such a situation has not risen and is not showing signs of rising.
Don't worry guys, What sri krishna committee report says is telangana is developed. But it also saying indirectly that Telangana is not developed equally with coastal andhra and rayalaseema.
ReplyDeleteThe land ratio Telangana:Coastal andhra = 4:3
The land ratio Telangana:rayalaseema = 2:1
The seemandhra people's industries are in medak, ranga reddy,nalgonda,mahabubnagar. SKC report took all the seemandhra people in Telanga region.
Now think guys,SKC is showing wrong statistical information, because telangana population is half of the andhra pradesh's population. Now think about the figures. who are developed.
In seemandhra the developed cities are cuddapah,kurnool,tirupathi,visakhapatnam,vijayawada,guntur,rajahmundry etc.......
So , telangana consists of 10 districts, but telangana has only one developed city which is hyderabad. Pity on telangana. Shame to Seemandhra Rulers.
Sri krishna committee members were completely enjoyed in luxurious hotels with wine,liquor.
The seemandhra lobbyists bought sri krishna committee members by huge bribe.
The Andhra pradesh media showed lot of incidents when they are attending parties with seemandhra lobbyists.(lagadapati,kavuri,rayapati etc...)
Mr.Duggal(A Big Drunkard,SKC member) went to subbiramireddy house for private party.
Now think guys, don't trust SKC report. It has blatant lies and lot of grammatical mistakes also.
Jai Telangana,
Jai Jai Telangana.
First: Let's not simplify things with an intention to ridicule it later. ....
ReplyDeleteI hope it applies to past decisions too. How fair is simplifying that merger was a conspiracy and forced? Never even mentioning role of decision makers on both side.
Second: No country's borders are permanent.
You are right. There will be geological changes too. Indian subconitent was once floating mass. Later it hit Himalayas raising their height.
Same applies to regions and cities too. Regions can become states, and cities UTs. Right?
In case you were not aware , Dravidian movement went to the extent of demanding dravid country. Fortuntely there were no takers for it. Maybe you were not even born at that time.
Tamilians were a bit stubborn compared to Telanganas. For more that a decade they refused to Hindi as national language.
But they fell in-line after losing job opportunities outside TN.
@Sujai
ReplyDeletePlease stop this line "Andhrites are in Telangana but vice versa is not true".
The example given by you about india /pakistan muslims in this context is absolutely nonsense. State capital is in telangana region,industries all are set in RR,Medak districts.
People move to places where u get jobs and food.When IT industry started people went to bangalore and there are so many guys in bangalore irrespective of caste and religion/region.The best example is u.If u r so concerend about telangna why u moved to banglore.Why cant u setup ur company in one of the telangana region? Leave about telangana region u didn't even put ur company in Hyderabad ..u r paying taxes to karnataka govt..Shame on you!!!
You never gave answer to this?Why most people migrated to telangana region is just because u have industries here.
If kurnool remained as capital & if developemnt wud have happen there than all guys from all regions will go there and not to hyderabad.
I support all telanganites feeling in water sharing.Yes I totally agree telangana need a decent share in water resource.
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Sujai,
ReplyDeleteWhen Andhra/Kerala was split from its parent state, it was on language basis. Demand for Telengana comes based on economic backwardness. So it is appropriate to compare Per capita income of various regions. Andhra was not split based on per capita is vague and frustated argument. Ethiopia/US Comparison and Telengana/Rayalaseema comparison is not one and the same. When Per capita income of two regions is comparable, then rate of growth can be compared to observe traces of discrimination. If Telengana rate of growth is higher than other regions( when per capita income is comparable), it is obvious there is no discrimination. It would have been still higher if Telengana population does not waste their time in politically motivated agitations. Telengana supporters are twisting the argument by saying per capita is not the basis for splitting states.
Abhi:
ReplyDeleteDemand for Telengana comes based on economic backwardness.
Demand for Telangana stems from discrimination, marginalization and suppression of Telanganas.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYour argument on discrimination,marginalization and suppression needs to be substantiated by statistics. Otherwise it is perception not a fact. Rate of growth of regions is right attribute to statistically prove discrimination. As you indicated rate of growth cannot be compared between Ethiopia and US. But it is the excellent indicator to compare between Rayalaseema and Telengana where per capita incomes are almost similar. Telengana was lacking up at the time of independence. Today it has caught up with other regions through faster rate of growth. So where is the question of discrimination?
To Abhi,
ReplyDeleteDistricts/Regions 1993-94 2000-01 2007-08 Population Total (DDP)
1. Hyderabad 12745 22135 39145 3.8 148751
2. Vishakhapatnam 13585 21555 35757 3.8 135876.6
3. Kadapa 12391 14829 32629 2.6 84835.4
4. Rangareddy 15118 18786 31986 3.6 115149.6
5. Medak 14153 19909 31195 2.7 84226.5
6. Krishna 13983 19398 30044 4.2 126184.8
7. Khammam 13054 18497 28493 2.6 74081.8
8. West Godavari 13659 18604 27326 3.8 103838.8
9. East Godavari 12868 18024 27043 4.9 132510.7
10. Karimnagar 11911 16886 26254 3.5 91889
11. Prakasam 12468 15719 25608 3.1 79384.8
12. Guntur 14133 17366 24645 4.5 110902.5
13. Nellore 14122 16480 24737 2.7 66789.9
14. Nalgonda 10255 14496 24344 3.2 77900.8
15. Anantapur 12402 16413 23055 3.6 82998
16. Adilabad 11916 13578 22148 2.5 55370
17. Kurnool 12159 13705 21446 3.5 75061
18. Chittoor 12671 15328 20840 3.7 77108
19. Mahaboobnagar 7757 11494 20496 3.5 71736
20. Warangal 9036 14142 19970 3.2 63904
21. Nizamabad 10165 13816 19850 2.3 45655
22. Vizianagaram 9364 11309 18498 2.2 40695.6
23. Srikakulam 8254 11743 17912 2.5 44780
Used the per-capita DDP numbers from Appendix 2.4
Population figures from Table 2.1
First of all Telangana without Hyderabad is not a valid thing, because large portions of Hyderabad (like Koti etc) come under RR district. If we need to get the correct picture what about Telangana excluding Greater Hyderabad.
I think they should have provided the statistic of Telangana excluding Greater Hyderabad especially when they have suggested it as one of the options..
I think the high DDP of Greater Hyderabad is skewing Telangana figures.
Just as an exercise I have removed the top contributors from each region and recalculated the figures.
Telangana (excluding Hyd, RR, Medak): 23102
Coastal Andhra (excluding Vish, Kadapa and Krish): 23596
RayalaSeema (excluding Kadapa): 21774
Here I have just excluded Hyd, total RR and Medak, but
if we exclude Greater Hyderabad (the prosperous mandals of RR, Medak, Nalgonda, Mahabubnagar) then the figure for rest of Telangana will be much lower, on par with Rayalaseema.
Telangana (without Hyd, RR, Medak): 23102
Coastal Andhra : 26528
Costal Andhra (without Uttarandhra): 26707
Coastal Andhra excluding Uttarandhra consisting from East Godavari in the North to Nellore in the South has a slightly higher per-capita DDP than Telangana with Hyderabad.
While the Coastal Andhra (excluding Uttarandhra) is purely inhabited by Coastal Andhra people.
In case of Telangana there are only few rich pockets in Greater Hyderabad which have predominant Seemandhra share.
Developing Greater Hyderabad (which is for Seemandhra, enjoyed by Seemandhra) and thereby artificially boosting Telangana figures and saying Telangana is developed on par with Coastal Andhra does not make sense.
We are from Medak (my parents are from Guntur) and I used to visit Guntur and Vijayawada often. And anyone can tell the difference between rural Telangana and rural Coastal Andhra without seeing these figures.
If you bring rural Telangana on parwith rural coastal Andhra then you can say Telangana caught up with Coastal Andhra.
Or atleast if Telangana is not developed agriculturally but developed industrially and if the fruits of industrial development are mostly enjoyed by Telanganites then it makes sense to say that Telangana has caught up with Coastal Andhra.
Just the figures by themselves do not say much, need to look beyond them to know the actual truth.
More later...
@ abhi:
ReplyDeleteYour argument on discrimination,marginalization and suppression needs to be substantiated by statistics. Otherwise it is perception not a fact.
Go back and read some autobiographies of national heroes during the struggle for Independence.
What statistics did Gandhi provide the Viceroys he met, when he asked for swaraj?
Are you really interested in knowing the facts? Go back and watch all telugu films and come and tell us:
1. How many movies have a hero speaking Telangana slang?
2. How many movies have a villain speaking Telangana slang?
3. How many people in the Coastal Andhra districts heard the word "bathukamma" or "bonalu" on the Hyderabad Doordarshan (telugu) channel?
4. How many employees working in the Secretariat (in Group 3 and above) have their roots (I mean parents and grand parents) from the Telangana districts? What is their percentage against the employees from other regions?
These would be barely scratching the surface of the decades of discrimination meted out.
Regardless of what fake statistics are put out there to defend your stand, do you have the open heart to speak to a Telangana person when he is speaking in his slang, respect him through the conversation and treat him equal to you?
Here is a real life example for you:
At a major bus station, there was a very long line of passengers waiting to buy tickets. The passengers were getting worried as it was a peak holiday season and some started getting really agitated and crossed lines. A Gentleman came out and told them to calm down and stay in lines. He was yelled at and was told to ask his boss to come out. He angrily showed his identity card and said, I am the in-charge of this whole bus-depot. The passengers them told him to learn 'proper telugu' and started shouting 'who gave you this job when you cannot speak telugu'. He said, 'I am speaking telugu, but you have a sad outlook towards my accent'.
That is discrimination. That is public humiliation. It is cultural marginalization. I have witnessed it innumerable times in my life. It is not a 'perception' as you put it. It is a fact so deeply traumatizing each Telanganite... that your public apology cannot cure.
Stop asking for Statistics, learn to respect the aspirations, culture and language of others.