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Sujai, is it personal attack if I say that
ReplyDelete"you are a settler in Bangalore and how can you hypocritically talk negatively about settlers in Hyd?"
I think it is not a personal attack as ur location is being used to make a point and not a random, pointless attack. I still do NOT know what pissed u off with my message that u deleted it. You probably do not care if people do not visit ur blog to debate but it exposes different yardsticks and ur commitment to democracy that u claim on several issues.
makes complete sense
ReplyDeleteWTF? Despicable intolerance and thin-skinned... I dare you to post my message to elicit views from readers if there is anything wrong. U call Justice Sri Krishna names and have NO guts to listen to others. Absolutely disgusting and it shows why the issue u are fighting for has only chance of winning by being mean, dishonest and undemocratic.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead and impose blackout like u accuse media of imposing for T protests. For what you are doing here, I entirely support oppression, suppression and strangulation of anti-national, pro-Telangana unemployed-politician generated movement.
Sujai, is it personal attack if I say that
ReplyDelete"you are a settler in Bangalore and how can you hypocritically talk negatively about settlers in Hyd?"
I think it is not a personal attack as ur location is being used to make a point and not a random, pointless attack. I still do NOT know what pissed u off with my message that u deleted it. You probably do not care if people do not visit ur blog to debate but it exposes different yardsticks and ur commitment to democracy that u claim on several issues.
@Sujai,
ReplyDeleteI was waiting for this for quite sometime....
@Arvind,
That was quite some language you used here....
If deleting your mindless rants could elicit such tempered and emotional comments from you'll,just imagine the media blackout on grave situations,(that the world wouldn't even know about)
like the OU one...
You just tasted your own medicine...
Now go ahead and rant anyway...
Also, sometimes the comments end up in SPAM folder. So you just have wait for me to login and clear them.
ReplyDeleteI have read that 4000 students in OU have already left for holidays . The remaining 2000 are the ones who are behaving like goons (i should probably say terrorist because now they moved from stones to petrol bombs). Because of these minority , students who actually want to study will get bad name for life.
ReplyDeleteName less:
ReplyDeleteI have read that 4000 students in OU have already left for holidays . The remaining 2000 are the ones who are behaving like goons (i should probably say terrorist because now they moved from stones to petrol bombs). Because of these minority , students who actually want to study will get bad name for life.
Your concern is so genuine it actually shows. ;-)
"Your concern is so genuine it actually shows. ;-)"
ReplyDeleteDidnt you say you dont hate andhras even though write many bad things about them ,like that why cant you believe that i may have some concern for students in OU who are not creating any trouble
Name less:
ReplyDeleteDidnt you say you dont hate andhras even though write many bad things about them ,like that why cant you believe that i may have some concern for students in OU who are not creating any trouble
Its pretty simple. I am not sure why you can't understand.
Right now, I am representing Telangana people in our fight against Andhras.
In this fight, it does not make sense for me to talk about how SC/ST Andhras are being treated inside Andhra or how Srikakulam people are sidelined inside Andhra, and so on. It would clearly appear insincere if I do it.
That's why I don't write much about Lagadapati or Chiru or Naidu unless it has something to do directly with Telangana.
In fact, the times I have referred to them on this blog compared to how many times you guys have referred to KCR would stand at 1:5000.
If I start showing plight of farmers in Krishna (during this agitation) it would appear very insincere.
What you guys have been doing is exactly that all the while. It is just that I am being very tolerant and still engage you knowing fully well that you are just having fun poking holes into our cause. and that you are not sincere at all -> because it shows.
@nameless the income disparity im telangana is only due to presence of high income andhra settlers, it will be solved when u are kicked out
ReplyDeleteIt is everybody's knowledge that KCR named his son after his political mentor NTR.
ReplyDeleteIncidentally KTR has something in common with NTR.
In mythological films NTR relied on one Kondaveeti Venkatakavi for big dialogues.
When he entered politics he employed paruchoori brothers for speeches.
KTR too has a speech-writer.
Hold guys. No prizes for guessing. There you are. You got it right.
He is none other than our missed-the-nobel author Sujai.
You see example of Ethopia on this blog. By evening KTR gives same example on iNews.
You see the supreme court divorce example. Lol. KTR talks samething on NTV.
@ Aditya
ReplyDelete"@nameless the income disparity im telangana is only due to presence of high income andhra settlers, it will be solved when u are kicked out"
yawn yawn
@nameless the BC mla of prp got kicked for the same reason that fat mla of tdp got kicked by mostly bc students of ou
ReplyDeleteSujai,
ReplyDeletecut all this crap man.
You T-vaadis can realize nothing if you continue same nonsensical arguments.
You will lose even if you appraoch International HRC.
The reason is very simple and straight forward.
Telangana issue is just emotional. It not a bread and butter issue. Nor life and death issue.
Telengana is part of the larger democracy where the region is electing its own people.
The real option you are left with is demand for separate nation on the lines of Tibet, Kashmir etc.
One caution. Hide KCR somewhere when you approach UN, otherwise his loose talk will damage you chances.
@nls i thought jayshankr writes speeches for kcr
ReplyDeleteIn this fight, it does not make sense for me to talk about how SC/ST Andhras are being treated inside Andhra or how Srikakulam people are sidelined inside Andhra, and so on. It would clearly appear insincere if I do it.
ReplyDeleteYous intelligent memory could be very short but not those of readers. Go back and look at Karamchedu, Tsundur references.
May be if andhras loose hyd, the hegomony of kamma caste from krishna and guntur over andhra will weaken
ReplyDeleteAnonymous:
ReplyDeleteYous intelligent memory could be very short but not those of readers. Go back and look at Karamchedu, Tsundur references.
Well, my memory is definitely better than yours. I never wrote about them.
Its time for the revolution to spread outside the walls of OU campus, time to graduate from stones to molotovs, 8lakh settlers are going to migrate to their native places soon, good time to light up some "fire workr"
ReplyDelete"Its time for the revolution to spread outside the walls of OU campus, time to graduate from stones to molotovs, 8lakh settlers are going to migrate to their native places soon, good time to light up some "fire workr""
ReplyDeleteyawn yawn
Telangana on the front page of bbc news site
ReplyDeleteAditya,
ReplyDeleteso you are fighting Kamma community not really for Telangana.
who does not want to fight kamma community.kammas killed dalits in karamchedu.kammas occupied lands,kammas occupied film industry,kammas are factionists and leaders.kammas are ruthless people.
ReplyDeletewe all need to fight them.
The heat of the Telangana fight seems to have cooled down over the weekend.The twin cities will see around 10 lakh people leaving for their hometowns over this week, and that should cool things down even more.
ReplyDeleteMy friends from interior Telangana told me that there is a groundswell of opinion that only Congress high command can give Telangana and because the BJP is championing the cause, the Cong high command is now very averse to the bifurcation of the state.
The Congress leaders have stopped their rabble rousing too, except for repeat of statements on TV screens.KCR has gone silent, and the only political activity seems to be TRS, Cong or BJP trying to attract Telangana TDP leaders into their folds.
It will be interesting to see the next steps from various sides.Of course, nothing will happen till the budget session of the Parliament - and then we will have 2G,Aseemanand, onions, inflation, and the budget it self dominating the discussions.Also, elections are due in WB and Assam, I reckon.Very unlikely that high command will want to use Telangana as a diversionary tactic in the Parliament - they have enough issues on hand.High command's best option is to buy time so that the Jagan factor can be neutralised - they will however encourage any one causing problems for TDP.
So, I don't think Telangana issue is going to get resolved or even brought for discussion till the summer.That means, another year loss for many students of OU.
We live in predictably interesting times :)
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This is what Telangana is upto...
The SKC,I repeat,is not the constitution,the bible,the quran or the gita...
Just a bunch of suggestions,given by prejudiced minds....
And it's recommendations have been rejected outright..
People from Medak and Nalgonda and Mahbubnagar leading from the front
for the attempt to separate them from Telangana....
Interesting times,yes,they are....
Sera and pok would agree ;)
@Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteusual crap!
Close-up shots of few slogan shouters does not make a sentiment.
BTW, T movement is still hot in Washington DC too. Just now Raj News aired few scnes where handful of NRIs shouted slogans holding placards.
>>Close-up shots of few "slogan shouters Does not make sense to.
ReplyDeleteIt make sense because United Andhra crap doesnt even have those few agitators.
I am not surprised to see there is no agitation on Seemandra side to reject SKC to declare the current United Andhra shall not be continued.
usual crap!
ReplyDeleteMillions of times I said 'United Andhra Crap', now what I understand is, you see me as crap, and I see you as crap too...
:)
Even the ruling Northern Sudanase could agree to secession of their southern Part through a Popular referendum even though the southern part Contains all the "Oil resources" , They are not making Fuss like Andhras about Hyderabad, Guess Andhras Should learning something from the people of Northern Sudan.
ReplyDeleteAndhras are coming up with Banners like " we Support Telangana" to Protect their properties from the Ire of Telangana people, Target their properties first dont fall prey to the Cunning strategies of Andhras, Even openly Anti-Telangana leader like Chandrababu Put Pro-Telangana banners on his Heritage Factories, Target these Settler properties first.
ReplyDeleteTarget these Settler properties first.
ReplyDeleteJust do it!
@aditya
ReplyDeleteGuess Andhras Should learning something from the people of Northern Sudan.
Think before what your write. I hope you do know about darfur, how north bombed south sudan.... knowing all this if you want andhras to learn a thing or two from North Sudan, then I will be convinced you have serious mental issues.....
@Aditya:
ReplyDeleteLet us know if u want to form a separate country rather than state within the country. The discussion will be on a different plateau.
@Green star,
ReplyDeleteare you alias of Lavanya?
Anyways, there is no samaikhya movement now as there is no need for it. They could force Delhi to defer its decision withing two weeks. T-vaadis could not progress even an inch even after 400 days.
You know the reason?
Politicians man politicians!
As long as your politicians betray you, you get nothing.
Telangana congress leaders are real fix today. For one year KCR helped them by diverting all ire towards TDP. Now they are left in lurch. There is fresh confusion on who will go with Jagan and who will not.
Before the T-vaadis can play the finals with seemandhra, they have win semi finals among themselves.
@andhrites think a special category for nobel prize in geography shud be started just for the sake of "andhras" grand theory on plateaus and river water and also about darfur being in south sudan. Think all andhras have some "nazis" like gene that makes them think they are smarter and others are dumb idiots to follow kcr
ReplyDelete@aravind let us know? Are the andhras new colonial administrators, k sir we will take permission from u
ReplyDelete@aditya
ReplyDeleteu r out of ur mind... u do not know the meaning of 'let us know'. So, there is no need to respond. U seem to be getting impatient by TRS backstabbing.
@aditya
ReplyDelete@andhrites think a special category for nobel prize in geography shud be started just for the sake of "andhras" grand theory on plateaus and river water and also about darfur being in south sudan. Think all andhras have some "nazis" like gene that makes them think they are smarter and others are dumb idiots to follow kcr
Do not go too far with your imagination. Who can be more smarter and intelligent than you ? North Sudanese have not left their own (Darfur), bombed the pulp out of south and you wanted the Andhras to learn from them. No award in world can match your intelligence ... I agree to that. Also, it is anybody's guess what to call those following kcr and his ilk :) No need to have "nazi" genes.
You must first learn how to frame sentences without using expletives and name calling.
@andhras i bow before ur intellect, i guess nothing is impossible for andhras and balakitty, if they wish north pole will become southpole, western sudan(darfur) will become southern sudan
ReplyDelete@Aditya didn't Telangana viewers watch Balakrishna movies? or was it because of domination and part of cheating? :-)
ReplyDelete@aravind yawn...yawn
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 56793987687626262986289,
ReplyDelete"there is no samaikhya movement now as there is no need for it."
There is no Samaikhya Movement now,because the centre has agreed that a united state or a status quo was not an option anymore....
The only delay is due to the terms on which it would happen,and not if it should happen or not..
It is not a question of IF,but HOW and WHEN Telangana should happen...
Looks like you need to work on your comprehension skills...:)
"They could force Delhi to defer its decision withing two weeks. T-vaadis could not progress even an inch even after 400 days.
You know the reason?"
The Centre is already in a fix with YSR kin in Rayalaseema,and NTR kin in Andhra.If they want any kind of retribution in Telangana,they should be smart enough to grant it unconditionally...
The Centre's decision to delay was due to the constitutional emergency caused by the SA leaders...
Green star does not need another alias....How about one for you ;)
@Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteconstitutional crisis is too big a word to describe the resignations.
It was sheer blackmail to topple the government. And congress party chose power over pormise.
IMO, central government going back on 9 Dec declaration is real the constitutional crisis. A government that could not implement its own decision (that was announced in parliament too) has no moral right to continue.
Since 1948 congress party and central government betrayed Telangana someway or the other.
They oppressed Sayudha poraatam and returned lands to Doras.
Nehru ignored demand for separate Telangana and SRC recommendation.
He did not give constitutional status to Gentlemen agreements (there are rumors that he even ridiculed the agreement).
Indira Gandhi too refused to recognize Telangana aspiration. She even bought the TPS.
Sonia Gandhi pomised Telangana in election meetings. Later she talked about tigers and Naxalites but never about Telangana.
Despite all this you believe Congress and Center are honest but Seemaandhra are villians.
Instead of dealing tough with spineless center you are wasting your energies targetting seemaandhras.
Excellent article by thelka, "in the words of a zealot" torture by ap police,confession,kindness,repentence
ReplyDelete@Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"Despite all this you believe Congress and Center are honest but Seemaandhra are villians."
Does it not say that the perpetrator of the crime is equally,if not more,responsible of the a crime,than the person who commits it...
It was more than clear in their inferences,that they intended to table the bill,until the mass resignation drama unfolded...
The Centre had no choice,but to take the fall in this instance...
"Instead of dealing tough with spineless center you are wasting your energies targetting seemaandhras."
The GOI wasn't being spineless or insensitive,just cautious in dealing with the issue...
It was clearly a political decision based on the economics involved,to stall the process,so that the SA businessmen could take some of their investments back...
I know and interact with several Andhra people on a daily basis.I do not see any discrimination towards them.
But,that said,I don't think a regular Andhra family is dealt with the kind of animosity,that you are trying to portray here....
The incidents that have been reported are fewer than the number of times they have been written and discussed about...
@Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteDoes it not say that the perpetrator of the crime is equally,if not more,responsible of the a crime,than the person who commits it...
There are similar arguments, giving bribe is as criminal as taking bribe and one cannot be passive participant in crime.
Per same logic T-vaadis must stop drawing conspiracy theories in merger. Coz Telangana elders accepted the merger, forced or otherwise, and participated in unified state.
They are equally accountable to Telangana people. Tell prof. Jayashankar to include names of BRK, KVR, MCR at el in conspiracy theory. At least as small time offenders of Telangana.
It was more than clear in their inferences,that they intended to table the bill,until the mass resignation drama unfolded...
This is what exactly everybody is asking, especially people from Telangana. When they wanted UPA tabled bills and got them passed too despite the threats to the government. First one AP Council bill and second Nuclear bill.
But why they could not do it now?
The Centre had no choice,but to take the fall in this instance...
Why not? What is the scantity for democracy, if a government reverses it decision for political ends? How different they are from greedy Seemaandhra?
The GOI wasn't being spineless or insensitive,just cautious in dealing with the issue...
This is not much different from what KCR says. "Congress Telangana icchensindi kaani CBN addupaddadu".
If GOI was sincere it would have called politicians for discussion with clear agenda of either separation or unity.
But it continues to be cautious about its chances of continuing in power rather than fullfilling the promise.
It was clearly a political decision based on the economics involved,to stall the process,so that the SA businessmen could take some of their investments back...
If that is the case why not GOI/congress give a clear date and procedure for separation?
The reality is they will wait until the political benefits are clear.
I know and interact with several Andhra people on a daily basis.I do not see any discrimination towards them.
But,that said,I don't think a regular Andhra family is dealt with the kind of animosity,that you are trying to portray here....
Cool! I used seemaandhra in context of politics not common people. You want to divert! Upto you!
BTW, you or any Telanganite need not show the generocity to Andhra families.
sujai think u shud post this too.
ReplyDeletehttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms
If a woman who was forcibly married asks for a divorce on grounds of cruelty, can a court rule against it? Can a court rule that she cannot be liberated from her marriage, however bad, without her husband's consent? That's the kind of dubious logic the Sri Krishna Committee employed when suggesting, as its "second best option", that the Telangana region (the erstwhile Hyderabad state) cannot be divorced from the Andhra and Rayalaseema regions (the erstwhile Andhra state) unless the latter agree.
The committee's exact words were: "Separation is recommended only in case it is unavoidable and if this decision can be reached amicably among all the three regions." Though its "most preferred option" was to keep Andhra Pradesh intact, the committee could not help proposing the split as the second best option because the creation of a separate Telangana, it conceded, would "satisfy a large majority of people from the region".
The committee admitted the depth of sentiment favouring separation among the people of Telangana and acknowledged the validity of their grievance or "the felt psyche of discrimination and domination". Despite its assertion that the region was not as backward as it was made out to be, the committee accepted that the "continuing demand... for a separate Telangana... has some merit and is not entirely unjustified".
But it ignored — willfully or otherwise — where exactly this "continuing demand" came from. It failed to recognize it as a consequence of the forced merger that Telangana has been trapped in since 1956 and the widely perceived betrayal, in letter and spirit, of the promises made in the form of a Gentleman's Agreement. Had the committee diagnosed it essentially as a demand for demerger on account of reneged promises, it would not have committed the folly of proposing the Telangana Regional Council as the keystone of its best option.
or, the same council, with more or less the same nomenclature and powers, had been promised in the 1956 Gentleman's Agreement.
ReplyDeleteThere was little follow-up action.
Given the multi-disciplinary expertise at its disposal, the committee should have known better than to presume, that despite the trust deficit, there was a realistic chance of the people of Telangana agreeing to remain within the unified state on the basis of "empowerment" measures apparently designed to reduce the sense of discrimination. If the committee's report has evoked widespread condemnation from the people of Telangana, it has a lot to do with the reluctance it betrayed in examining the implications of their elaborately documented position that Andhra Pradesh from its very inception was a forced union.
Andhra Pradesh was formed in 1956 even after the States Reorganization Commission, while redrawing the political map of India, had rejected the proposal of immediately merging the Telugu-speaking parts of the then Hyderabad state with the then Andhra state. Bowing to pressure from Andhra leaders, the Nehru government disregarded the commission's recommendation that "the residuary state of Hyderabad might unite with Andhra after the general elections likely to be held in about 1961, if by a two-thirds majority the legislature of Hyderabad state expresses itself in favour of such a unification."
The commission, headed by Justice S Fazal Ali, had arrived at such a conclusion because of its finding that there were misgivings about the unification proposal in Telangana. It said: "The real fear of the people of Telangana is that if they join Andhra they will be unequally placed in relation to the people of Andhra and in this partnership the major partner will derive all the advantages immediately while Telangana itself may be converted into a colony by the enterprising coastal Andhra."
The Fazal Ali panel's words have proved prescient because, for all the development work in Andhra Pradesh in the 55 years that have elapsed, the people of Telangana still nurse the feeling that they have been colonized. Hence, they are not impressed with the Sri Krishna Committee's argument that, notwithstanding their feelings of exclusion, they should try out the new governance model in which they would be provided special safeguards. They are unwilling to settle for such affirmative action. Nothing but the autonomy of statehood would satisfy them.
The agitation is all about regaining control over their resources as they see that as the only way out of the unequal relationship between Telangana and Andhra. They want statehood even if it is not necessarily in the national interest, as pointed out by the committee, True, the split is very likely to cause a setback to the growth story of Andhra Pradesh in general and Hyderabad in particular. Worse, it might give a boost to the Maoist movement. The tough choice that the Centre is being asked to make is between the reality of growth in the unified state and the hope for greater equity in the Telangana state. But then, democracy is ultimately about people, not economics.
Read more: The case for Telangana - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms#ixzz1AkFKedgb
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ReplyDelete@Anonymous above,
ReplyDeletePlease give yourself at least an alias.It gets very confusing while replying...
"giving bribe is as criminal as taking bribe and one cannot be passive participant in crime."
Agreed...
"Per same logic T-vaadis must stop drawing conspiracy theories in merger. Coz Telangana elders accepted the merger, forced or otherwise, and participated in unified state."
Incorrect.This theory exists only in fiction.There are no records in any department,that had proof for this statement.
Several activists,politicians, lawyers and many others have been scouting for any document that would prove this...
A bill had been tabled for discussion,but,it was never accepted or formalised.
If you find one,do share the link here...
"They are equally accountable to Telangana people. Tell prof. Jayashankar to include names of BRK, KVR, MCR at el in conspiracy theory. At least as small time offenders of Telangana."
Answered already...They never signed any document agreeing to the terms ....
"Why not? What is the scantity for democracy, if a government reverses it decision for political ends? How different they are from greedy Seemaandhra?"
"This is not much different from what KCR says. "Congress Telangana icchensindi kaani CBN addupaddadu".
If GOI was sincere it would have called politicians for discussion with clear agenda of either separation or unity.
But it continues to be cautious about its chances of continuing in power rather than fullfilling the promise."
As a federal democracy we are tied together in it for good or for bad...
The Centre needs the support and co-operation of all the states and their representatives to perform it's duties...
You cannot separate one from the other...It's called collective functioning.
Lalu Prasad Yadav,Jayalalitha, Karunanidhi,CBN,KCR,Mamta Banerji et all formed alliances with the Centre in spite of their earlier differences at one time or the other.....
The days of a single party rule are over in India.We would have to face a hung parliament every time an election is being held(India was forced to go to elections thrice in the same term,between 96-99),which India cannot afford now.....
This unfortunately is being misused by some...in this case the SA professional politicians...
cont...
ReplyDelete"Cool! I used seemaandhra in context of politics not common people.
BTW, you or any Telanganite need not show the generocity to Andhra families."
This is where your insincerity shows.
It is because of these insincere efforts that misunderstandings crop up...
You came in to just blame others,instead of finding the reasons for the conflict or to try and understand our cause....
In your own words and by your own admission aren't passive onlookers equally responsible for the crime?????
Incorrect.This theory exists only in fiction.There are no records in any department,that had proof for this statement.
ReplyDeleteWell, let us leave bill, voting aside for a while.
How do one should interpret Gentlemen Agreements?
Does that indicate involvement of Telangana leaders or not?
As a federal democracy we are tied together in it for good or for bad...
The Center needs the support and co-operation of all the states and their representatives to perform it's duties...
A good lecture on coalition politics. I do not want to digress.
I already gave example of how UPA had Nuclear bill passed even daring the left parties.
Did any of UPA allies opposed separation? Were they consulted at all before announcement?
No. It is congress that made a mad decision and ruined the entire state.
Moreover in federal structure Telangana and Seemaandhra are equal.
Then why GOI did not initiate the dialog but wasted one whole year in the name of 'wider consultations'?
How about seeing 'wider consultations' as GOI admitting its mistake of 'narrow decision'?
This is where your insincerity shows.
Fault finding is damn easy.
Some times one should put oneself in other shoes.
It is arrogance of a few people like KCR, Sujai and yourself the issue was blown beyond repair.
You heaped tons of allegations from pre-merger till date on Andhras.
You spared them in only two crimes: rape and murder.
Yet could not tolerate a simple statement of self-pride and term it as insincerity.
Is self-defense a crime? You demand all Andhras to admit guilt just bcoz you made allegations?
@Aditya,
ReplyDeleteSujai already posted it (maybe some other blog).
BTW, very perfect argument about cruelity as the basis for divorce.
But the author lacks the basic knowledge of legal system very badly.
Accusations are not good enough in court-of-law. They must be proven.
There are very very few instances where any of the spouses walk away with divorce without proving charges.
Its a misfortune that the Telangana agitation is spearheaded by KCR. There's no denying he has consistently been doing the Telangana bhajan. But for how long will his policy of achieving Telangana through political pressure will work. TRS simply doesn't have numbers. Its surprising how he doesn't realise that the Telangana issue has come to the forefront only because of his fast. His fast acted like a catalyst and made people come out and agitate. Suddenly we find people becoming active and the movement catching up.
ReplyDeleteThe first mistake he did was to agree for SKC. It just tried to fissile the movement by dragging it for an year and not doing anything about Telangana and throw up many unworkable options. During the tenure of the committee, some strange statements appeared in media, like CB Naidu saying that there is the issue of North and South Telangana, another thought appeared in media saying Hyderabad to made into UT with joining Nalagonda into it and the same got reflected in the conclusion of SKC saying all south districts of Telangana to be made into UT.
Now when the movement is advanced and literally every person wants Telangana, we find him resorting back to his old game of solving the problem through political pressure. Dont his advisors and himself realise that because of his fast he got counted and not by trying to convince other parties to support a bill for Telangana. Wish it was that easy. He should realise what happened to his party during the elections and how they got wiped out. Not because that the urge for Telangana wasn't there, he just failed to bring the people together.
I just dont understand the game plan of KCR. While he was fasting, we saw how his party MLA's moved heaven and hell to whip up the passion for Telangana. Now that kind of passion seems to be missing in them. They just dont lead anymore. They are not there in the field anymore. Why are they making the mistake of leaving the students of Osmania University to fend for themselves? They hardly have any support from any political party. It is really strange that again he is throwing away the good will he has got during the past one year. Does he not have faith in himself, that he has to end up making statements like if the govt. gives Telangana he will wash the feet of Sonia. Now we have to believe the statements that emanate in the media, saying that Sonia was upset and angry after the announcement on Dec 9, after there was similar agitation in Andhra region. We have to believe the media becasue whatever permutations and combinations were tossed in the media, the same got reflected in the SKC report. Coming back to KCR and his washing the feet of Sonia, her silence means she isn't interested in Telangana. First of all let us not forget she was a bartender, she got to this position on a platter. No matter what people say otherwise, she hardly has any attachment for the country, so she'll use this issue if it suites her. No matter how much begging is done by KCR, she'll react only when she is pushed to the wall, which i think Jagan Mohan Reddy is doing a very good job, million times better than KCR. I think she is more scared of him than KCR or Telangana. She needn't worry about the Telangana MLA's and MP's. No matter what, they will finally ditch and run to catch the pallu of Sonia, and make it sound as if they are doing their best to bring Telangana and that it is not an easy thing which can happen overnight.
It’s a misfortune that the Telangana agitation is spearheaded by KCR. There's no denying he has consistently been doing the Telangana bhajan. But for how long will his policy of achieving Telangana through political pressure will work. TRS simply doesn't have numbers. Its surprising how he doesn't realise that the Telangana issue has come to the forefront only because of his fast. His fast acted like a catalyst and made people come out and agitate. Suddenly we find people becoming active and the movement catching up.
ReplyDeleteThe first mistake he did was to agree for SKC. It just tried to fissile the movement by dragging it for a year and not doing anything about Telangana and throw up many unworkable options. During the tenure of the committee, some strange statements appeared in media, like CB Naidu saying that there is the issue of North and South Telangana, another thought appeared in media saying Hyderabad to made into UT with joining Nalagonda into it and the same got reflected in the conclusion of SKC saying all south districts of Telangana to be made into UT.
Now when the movement is advanced and literally every person wants Telangana, we find him resorting back to his old game of solving the problem through political pressure. Dont his advisors and himself realise that because of his fast he got counted and not by trying to convince other parties to support a bill for Telangana. Wish it was that easy. He should realise what happened to his party during the elections and how they got wiped out. Not because that the urge for Telangana wasn't there, he just failed to bring the people together.
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ReplyDeleteI just dont understand the game plan of KCR. While he was fasting, we saw how his party MLA's moved heaven and hell to whip up the passion for Telangana. Now that kind of passion seems to be missing in them. They just dont lead anymore. They are not there in the field anymore. Why are they making the mistake of leaving the students of Osmania University to fend for themselves? They hardly have any support from any political party. It is really strange that again he is throwing away the good will he has got during the past one year. Does he not have faith in himself, that he has to end up making statements like if the govt. gives Telangana he will wash the feet of Sonia. Now we have to believe the statements that emanate in the media, saying that Sonia was upset and angry after the announcement on Dec 9, after there was similar agitation in Andhra region. We have to believe the media becasue whatever permutations and combinations were tossed in the media, the same got reflected in the SKC report. Coming back to KCR and his washing the feet of Sonia, her silence means she isn't interested in Telangana. First of all let us not forget she was a bartender, she got to this position on a platter. No matter what people say otherwise, she hardly has any attachment for the country, so she'll use this issue if it suites her. No matter how much begging is done by KCR, she'll react only when she is pushed to the wall, which i think Jagan Mohan Reddy is doing a very good job, million times better than KCR. I think she is more scared of him than KCR or Telangana. She needn't worry about the Telangana MLA's and MP's. No matter what, they will finally ditch and run to catch the pallu of Sonia, and make it sound as if they are doing their best to bring Telangana and that it is not an easy thing which can happen overnight.
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ReplyDeleteThe most disappointing thing is KCR is just playing the congress game. Instead of targeting TDP he should just forget the TDP and Congress, have his agenda, be with the people, be in the forefront and lead. Through his fast he has got the goodwill and support of the people and instead of throwing it away, use it and lead the fight for Telangana. Unless the central govt is pushed to the wall, will Telangana happen. Whatever small steps he takes, gets beaten, gets taunted and insults heaped on him, whether he gets support or not, is better than bowing to the congress. I feel this attitude will see him through, and can surely wipe out the Congress and TDP. Why be bothered whether they join him or not. Just following his one track mission Telangana, is enough to wipe out these parties. I just don't understand why he is wasting the goodwill he has now and asking the MP's of congress to put pressure on the Govt. to introduce the Telangana bill in parliament. By following this policy, he is giving space for the survival of the Congress. Am 100% sure definite it will not get introduced, the MP's will not resign, it will get dragged till next elections, of course if something dramatic happens till in between.
@aditya
ReplyDelete@andhras i bow before ur intellect, i guess nothing is impossible for andhras and balakitty, if they wish north pole will become southpole, western sudan(darfur) will become southern sudan
we are talking about north vs south, so darfur although in west still is with North Sudan. So no controversies around it. Leaving aside who is an intellect, just answer my initial question, do you really want us to learn from North Sudan after knowing their history ?
@Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"let us leave bill, voting aside for a while.
How do one should interpret Gentlemen Agreements?
Does that indicate involvement of Telangana leaders or not?"
What part of National Emergency do you not understand????
India was at war during 1971,and any internal disturbances were secondary....
If the Telangana leaders had done anything against the government during an emergency they and the People of the region would have been dealt with ruthlessly.
The leaders took a safer route to deal with the injustice.We would have been going the Kashmir way,today if they had not agreed to the terms,then ...
"I already gave example of how UPA had Nuclear bill passed even daring the left parties."
ReplyDeleteYou cannot draw analogies between an international issue and a regional one....
"Did any of UPA allies opposed separation? Were they consulted at all before announcement?"
The government need not consult all the parties in the Centre,before its tabled in the Parliament....
KCR tried doing it when he was a Minister.But was duly put down,since his party did not enjoy any kind of power in the Central corridors...
Majority always wins....
"Moreover in federal structure Telangana and Seemaandhra are equal."
The magic is in the numbers...
When there aren't many representatives in the Centre,even bigger issues have been side lined,notably issues like Manipur,Gorkhaland to name as a few examples...
"Then why GOI did not initiate the dialog but wasted one whole year in the name of 'wider consultations'?
How about seeing 'wider consultations' as GOI admitting its mistake of 'narrow decision'?"
Exactly....
The GOI would never admit that SKC was a foolish decision just like the GOAP wouldn't agree that there has been any kind of misappropriation of funds towards and by the SA leaders....
A simple discussion at an all party meeting would have stopped so much violence in the state....
It sounds insincere even to a lay man in Telangana to trust the Centre today,since much of its numbers came from A.P's assembly.
The Congress's position in the Centre would see no difference if the Telangana issue was delayed.
Just a couple of hundred deaths,several thousands of casualities and a couple crores of
broken dreams and hopes....
Haven't we seen that,already
@Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteWhat part of National Emergency do you not understand????
India was at war during 1971,and any internal disturbances were secondary....
I can understand your frustration. You are arguing for the sake of argument. Otherwise its exactly what KCR has "Sankarachaaryulaki peeralapandagaki mudipettadam".
What is the link between 1956 Gentlemen agreement and war and emergency of 70s?
Porificinecy in English language and sarcastic snubs are not good enough for dicussions. One should aplly eyes and mind too.
You cannot draw analogies between an international issue and a regional one....
But can go on comparing Terlangana movement with India freedom movement.
The GOI would never admit that SKC was a foolish decision
But you contniue to believe that GOI is innocent and only seemaandhra are born cluprits on the earth.
Just a couple of hundred deaths,several thousands of casualities and a couple crores of
broken dreams and hopes....
Haven't we seen that,already
Who was responsible for that?
An arrogant central gpvernment that knows only bulldozing and does not understand sesitivity of issues.
And a bunch of dumb politicians who cannot even discuss it with their leaders.
The magic is in the numbers...
ReplyDeleteSo! You hint that democracy can deliver justice to majority only.
Absolute thruth is irrelavent.
IS regionalism Anti-National?
ReplyDeleteDont think any "Ism" is not Anti-national when it is all About fighting for Fair-share of Rights over Resources,Political space, Jobs and water.
So there is nothing more Patriotic than fighting for Telangana.
@Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"You are arguing for the sake of argument.
What is the link between 1956 Gentlemen agreement and war and emergency of 70s?"
Now,you are sounding naive....
The Gentlemen's Agreement was an experiment done on linguistic basis,inspite of the SRC,Burgula and other Telangana leaders recommendations....
The very basis of the 69-71 movements was the lapse of the Gentleman's Agreement....
It was pretty clear that the experiment had failed.But,India's immediate concerns with China and Pakistan were more important than any internal...
You must do your homework before engaging in a debate,it saves the debate from unnecessary repetitions...
"Porificinecy in English language and sarcastic snubs are not good enough for dicussions. One should aplly eyes and mind too."
By using such strong words over and over again,you are compelling me to respond .....
The Gentlemen's Agreement was an experiment done on linguistic basis,inspite of the SRC,Burgula and other Telangana leaders recommendations....
ReplyDeleteDo not drift as you want...
My original question was "How do one should interpret Gentlemen Agreements?
Does that indicate involvement of Telangana leaders or not?"
We can certianely discuss 1969-71 events. But first clarify "by signing GA Telangana leaders participated in merger process or not?" Say yes or no.
Do not go on dumping all your skewed intellectual arguments.
I understand your problem here. You people wanted to paint a picture that merger was not a marriage but rape. Even then I insist that your own leaders helped Seemandhra in the act.
And you can never wish away the fact just by hiding behind technical matters.
cont........
ReplyDelete"But can go on comparing Terlangana movement with India freedom movement."
The people of Telangana never had their own mass movements during Indian Freedom Movement.Any comparisons that are made are only to draw inspiration based on certain criteria,and not meant to be taken personal pot shots at Andhras,unless provoked....
If we compare the Telangana movement to the freedom movement of India,it does NOT mean we refer others to being British.....
"The GOI would never admit that SKC was a foolish decision
But you contniue to believe that GOI is innocent and only seemaandhra are born cluprits on the earth."
The GOI's stand on the issue was VERY clear,when they made a statement in favour of Telangana.
If,as an onlooker,you understood the political manipulations of the SA group,why haven't you joined us in our movement to show your support against these manipulating power politics...
Why haven't the Andhra people condemned the death's of students,based on the GOI's decision????
This passive involvement during critical times and their behaviour towards the supporters is what is causing unrest....
The people of Telangana have shown great respect,solidarity and understanding all along,but never received the same from the other group...
Will you take the blame for being a passive onlooker then???
The very same theory that you proposed earlier..(if you are the same Anonymous)
"Who was responsible for that?
An arrogant central gpvernment that knows only bulldozing and does not understand sesitivity of issues.
And a bunch of dumb politicians who cannot even discuss it with their leaders."
Aren't you responsible for your state as a citizen???
Did YOU condemn the GOI's action???
Why haven't any Andhra people participated in the movement,inspite of knowing fully well that the Telanganites have been cheated???
You keep arguing,without the patience to understand the problem or the will to solve it.....
That is why I call it, argument for the sake of it....
The Gentlemen's Agreement was an experiment done on linguistic basis,inspite of the SRC,Burgula and other Telangana leaders recommendations....
ReplyDeleteMadam, (if you are one really:-))
please stop drifting and jumping.
do you agree that Telangana leaders signed Gentlemen agreement or not?
I say by signing GA they were part of the merger process. Do you agree or not? Rest of the debate depends on it.
If you want to wish away the facts against you, you will continue to be in fools paradise.
@Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"please stop drifting and jumping.
Looks like you have enough time on your hands to while it,without the least inclination to learn anything out of it...
I would try it one last time...
The socio,political,economic and scientific factors during the 50's,60's and 70's that are responsible for the Agreement can be considered as an important factor for the leaders to acknowledge the agreement....
GOI hasn't actively pursued the Telangana issue,with Kashmir being strategically more important,due to international conflicts that India had with Pakistan and China,throughout the 60's and 70's....
Without a proper representation in the assembly or the Parliament(North dominated),it is an almost impossible task to get them to acknowledge internal mistakes,even genuine ones....
Even though official commissions were appointed,not much was done since the GOI did not do it's homework,(which I suggest you do,before jumping into any kind of a debate)to help the leaders solve the issue once and for all...
"Rest of the debate depends on it."
A debate for the sake of it,is no good,unless you are willing to learn something from it and change or correct yourself....
You can digress as much as you want. But you can not change the fact that between 1953 and 1956 Telangana leaders participated in the process taking different stands at different points of time.
ReplyDeleteI am sure you will not accept but the initial call for merger was given by Telangana leaders only. You have enough proof from praliament debates in 1953 Andhra state bill.
Any change of mind by 1955 can be concluded that Telangana leaders were either betrayers (of estranged brothers) or
too innocent to decide what they want. (I am too soft to use derogatory words against my own ancestors)
Ealier you said it was experiment now you say Telangana was lesser important compared to Kashmir etc in 60s and 70s.
Even agreeing this crap what about post-Jai Andhra movement? Why Telangana was silent for 25 long years?
Do not forget that after 1st SRC GOI addressed cases of Gujarat, HP, Haryana, Nort East etc. The reality is that Telangana was never a serious matter for GOI. Simply bcoz the issue was only in minds of some fanatics not on the ground.
Important thing I agree fully with you is Homework of GOI. Congress always bungled the important national matters starting with Kashmir, Punjab, Ayodhya etc.
The irony is you T-vaadis continue to trust the same party.
"Gorre kasaine nammutundi"
I leave this crap with one observation.
T-vaadis use the word 'Telangana' most of the time as 'object' and not 'subject' of the sentence.
Something to do with the mindset?
'evaro raavaali ee teegalu savarin chaali...'
I am sure you will not accept but the initial call for merger was given by Telangana leaders only. You have enough proof from praliament debates in 1953 Andhra state bill.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't you refer to Hyderabad State resolutions and bills to know what Telangana leaders were clamoring for?
I am sure you will not accept but the initial call for merger was given by Telangana leaders only. You have enough proof from praliament debates in 1953 Andhra state bill.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't you refer to Hyderabad State resolutions and bills to know what Telangana leaders were clamoring for?
I have not ignored any. But you ignored "initial call".
I have further added how to interpret the change of mind between 1953 and 1955.
Develop habit of understanding in totality instead of pieces that can help you divert the topic.
BTW, where had gone my comment posted about an hour ago? You extracted content from that comment. But complete post is gone.
Day before yesterday also one of my comments in this blog is missing.
Looks like you have enough time on your hands to while it,without the least inclination to learn anything out of it...
ReplyDeleteI would try it one last time...
The socio,political,economic and scientific factors ....
You cannot wish away a fact just bcoz it is against you. You canot mix up too many things and then pick up only stuff suitable to you.
I am sure you will not accept but the initial call for merger was given by Telangana leaders only. You have enough proof from parliament debates in 1953 Andhra state bill.
If they changed mind between 1953 and 1955 it can be interpretd either as betrayal (of their estranged brothers) or inability of T leaders to decide their own future.
Were they too innocent to analyse what is good for them? (I cannot use any derogatory words on my own ancestors).
Contd...
Looks like you have enough time on your hands to while it,without the least inclination to learn anything out of it...
ReplyDeleteYou cannot wish away a fact just bcoz it is against you. You canot mix up too many things and then pick up only stuff suitable to you.
I am sure you will not accept but the initial call for merger was given by Telangana leaders only. You have enough proof from parliament debates in 1953 Andhra state bill.
If they changed mind between 1953 and 1955 it can be interpretd either as betrayal (of their estranged brothers) or inability of T leaders to decide their own future.
Were they too innocent to analyse what is good for them? (I cannot use any derogatory words on my own ancestors).
The bottomline is that Telangana leaders were part of the negotiations and process of merger between 1953 and 1956.
You T-vaadis argue that merger was not ratified. Others can argue that neither merger was rejected nor 'separate Telangana' ratified democratically.
To call the merger "forced" is undermining political wisdom of then leaders as well as constitution of India.
GOI hasn't actively pursued the Telangana issue,....
ReplyDeleteEarlier you said Gentlemen agreement was experiment. Now you are bringing Kashmir and other problems of 60s and 70s. And of course project T leaders as most patriotic than any other.
OK. Agreed. What about post Jai Andhra movement? Why Telangana silent for 25 long years? Which national disaster stopped them to carry out movement at least after emergency?
On the other hand GOI did not really gave much thought to Telangana issue bcoz they were well aware that there esists no issue on ground. It was only in minds of a handful of disgruntled fanatics.
You arguments can be even misinterpreted as continued submissive nature of Telangana political leaders. Have they failed to understand genuine greviences of T people? They know only taking orders from high-command and not making demands?
GOI hasn't actively pursued the Telangana issue,....
ReplyDeleteAfter 1956 GOI handled and resolved many state related issues (even before and after wartime). Himachal, Gujarat, Haryana, North East are examples of this.
GOI did not pursue Telangana issue bcoz there exists no issue.
since the GOI did not do it's homework,..
ReplyDeleteI defenitely agree with you on this. Congress party in general and Nehru in particular handled all important matters very clumsily including Kashmir.
It is everybody's knowledge how the Punjab unrest has started. God's grace and PV's wisdom could restore normalicy in that state.
I do not think AP is that lucky with great damage to the image it may need another decade to recover.
The irony is T-vaadis continue to believe in congress and GOI instead of their neighbors.
I think you people are left with only one option. That is approaching UN and International rights forums. Even there it is very unlikely that your argument of discrimination can be proven.
Hey Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteone general observation. In articles, blogs etc by T-vaadis the word Telangana appears mostly as 'object' rather than 'subject'.
Has it something to do with mindset? 'Evaro raavaali ee tegalu savarinchaali...'.
since the GOI did not do it's homework,..
ReplyDeleteI defenitely agree with you on this. Congress party in general and Nehru in particular handled all important matters very clumsily including Kashmir.
It is everybody's knowledge how the Punjab unrest has started. God's grace and PV's wisdom could restore normalicy in that state.
I do not think AP is that lucky with great damage to the image it may need another decade to recover.
The irony is T-vaadis continue to believe in congress and GOI instead of their neighbors.
I think you people are left with only one option. That is approaching UN and International rights forums. Even there it is very unlikely that your argument of discrimination can be proven.