It took hundreds of years of human struggle and strife to bring in a type of government where a common man got his freedoms, became a citizen, and actually had a say in the politics. Democracy is a fragile institution, which can easily slip into autocracy in times of insecurity or weakness. It takes lot of strength to keep it going, not succumbing to easy methods of imposing military or police rule at the first sign of trouble. Countries like China suppress people’s voices and freedom with use of force, armies and tanks, like in Tiananmen Square, killing innocents who protest. They jail everyone who speaks of freedom on the charges of sedition.
Back in 1969, during Telangana agitation, the government imposed a media blackout, brought troops into the region, jailed nearly 70,000 people, injured nearly 15,000 people, and killed 370 people. Not very different from how China treats its people. Clearly, a democracy has tendencies to become autocratic when it has to face tough questions that come out of democratic aspirations of its people. Those are the times when the nation suffers from insecurities, of egos, of prejudices, and weaknesses.
Andhra Pradesh government is now imposing additional 50 companies of paramilitary forces in the state, most of them in the region of Telangana, getting ready to forcibly control the people’s agitations that may arise after contents of SriKrishna Committee report are disclosed.
For the first time in the history of Andhra Pradesh, an IPS officer could be the VC of Osmania University. A former Director General of Police (DGP), Swaranjit Sen, is tipped to become new Vice Chancellor of the Osmania University. He is known to have earlier dealt with the Maoists in the state with an “iron hand”. Not only that, the state government is also planning to appoint an IPS officer as the Vice Chancellor of Kakatiya University in Warangal.
Starting December 31, 2010, words like “waging a civil war” or “state will become a battle field” will be banned in the state, according to DGP, K Aravind Rao. Speaking in Ongole, he told the media that those who use these words will be immediately arrested and ‘cases of sedition’ will be booked against them.
So what is happening in Telangana now? Are we creating an autocracy? Is democracy in crisis in Telangana?
Already the people of Telangana feel they are not represented in the state of Andhra Pradesh. They do not think or believe that this government which is ruling them is theirs. They seek a separate state, something which was guaranteed to them by the Home Minister of this country, a year ago. Now, each of its democratic institutions is being meticulously broken down to pave way for an autocracy, rule of police and military. Is this the dream that our freedom fighters gave us when they fought the British? Is it the freedoms that we guarantee our citizens of this country? Are we becoming a weak and insecure state? These are serious questions, which are not just relevant to Telangana, but to entire nation and its people.
is uttering words like bhago jago,naalukalo kostha, bhukampam,sunami, etc democracy?
ReplyDeleteis attacking lecturers and judges democracy?
is stalling movies and shootings democracy?
Good post. If the TG is not granted then it only makes the situation worse, may be for short time they can put there iron hand and crush the agitation for some time, but in long run TG people will develop there hatred towards Seemandra people and even though TG formed after 10-20 years , the enimity will not lost for time. Seemandra people should think this and prepare for there own boat.
ReplyDelete@cross
ReplyDeleteFirst you need to read the history and ask the questions,....
Does the stealing others funds called Happy United State? Does stealing others jobs called Happy United State? Does stealing others water and resources called Happy United State?
You started this mess, you have no right to point your fingers towards TG !!
and regarding tg, as per article 3 of constitution anyone can demand for seperate state, but its the manner in which trs cadre is behaving which is causing all tghe problems.
ReplyDeleteand my personal opinion is that the present struggle is between the already well settled seemandhra business and political class and the upcoming groups of contraactors, real estate dealers,etc belonging to telangana region.more of a struggle for supremacy and NOT a struggle between ruling and opressed classes.thats y farmers, workers and labourers are not participating in the same number(like armed struggle of 1940s) as students, who incidentally are being instigated by politicians
thats y farmers, workers and labourers are not participating in the same number
ReplyDeleteSo, actually who are fighting for United Andhra? NO ONE. Only a handful of industrialists disguised as politicians. Yesterday in Eenadu, Seemandra writers association supported the TG cause.
In recent Gargana meeting it is sad that you saw only upcoming groups of contractors, real estate dealers,etc belonging to telangana region.
@green star
ReplyDeletesamaikyandhra movement is also a struggle for supremacy battle.no doubt in that.what i mean is that wehter the state is united or divided, it should be the peoples problems,which are to be adressed first and not hatred, divisions among people which trs is doing right now.
u mentioned regarding garjana, im saying about the movement in general and not about a particualr meeting
trs cadre is behaving which is causing all tghe problems.
ReplyDeleteIn 294 seats Assembly, why do you care much about a small sub region party which is holding only 10seats?
I tell you why, when ever some one, .. for example if I agitation louder , then for sure you tag me with TRS brand, in reality I dont like TRS. In whole Telangana you think that only TRS doing that agitation, if you are true, if TRS had that much capacity, they would have won 100+ seats but not end up with miserable 10 seats.
ఆడలేక మద్దెల... సామెత అన్నట్లు .... when ever you want to oppose TG agitation or TG people, you point your fingers towards TRS. And good luck with that kind of attitude.
which trs is doing right now.
ReplyDeleteAs I mentioned above, you see this TRS in a magnifier(this party is keep loosing its ground/seats election by election), so what do you expect from TG people? They already made him loose in many elections, when he made the fasting drama and want to get out from it within two days, TG people forced him to continue and dragged him to near death.
What do you say if I say PRP is Andhra version of TRS? do you boycott PRP?
It doesnt matter if a crooked politician want to divide people for his/her political gains, there are many like that in our world. but it really matters if people started listening to him/her. I believe no one listens to KCR/TRS, if people are started listening then TRS would have been with more political power.
TG people expressed there wish with large human chains, small and big public meetings etc, But I didnt saw such from SA people, if TG formation doenst matter to them then they should come out and tell this publicly before it gets too late.
Trust me, you dont want to live together with your brother who dont want to stay with you and by forcing him, he may start hating you.
From the 50 comapanies of Paramilitaries that are going to be deoployed 17 companies are to be base in and around OU itself out of 23 in Hyderabad. 7 companies for the entire Seemandhra and the remaining 20 companies are going to be 2 for each Telengana district.
ReplyDeleteAdditional companies Can be Airlifted or brought from Southern States within Hours.
Actually the State is in De-facto Central rule from the past year, all the Top police officers directly report to Governor Instead of the Home Minister.
The entire Student leadership is Behind bars or is in Hiding, so i expect the Student agitations this time to be Dis-organised and much more violent but Brief.
The DGP may be forgetting that a Current cabinet Minister(TG Venkatesh) made direct threats and formed vigilantee groups unlike KCR who only made ambigious threats.
The govt may provide Armed Protection for few Seemandhra elites but it is impossible to ensure the Safety of the 10 lakh andhra settlers within Telengana especially in Northern Telengana unless Settlers form their own Groups which will further lead to violence.
All the Signals from the govt Indicate that it is preparing for a backlash from Telenganites( So the Statehood may be on hold or Outrightly Denied).
January is going to be a long and cold month for Settlers, I expect lot of Collateral damage on both sides, the congress high command has no Concern for the lives of Telenganites or Andhrites, all they care is about their electoral Prospects.
Expect 1969 allover again, but this time there is a larger Population of Settlers, and Telenganites are More motivated because they know its their last chance and the govt is equally determined to Crush them.
Andhra Settlers might need Armed escorts and travel in convoys on highways while Returning after Sankranthy.
But this time I dont expect much Fight from OU students they will be totally overwhelmed and controlled by the police.
But the agitation this time will be the "real deal" i expect numerous attacks on Settler properties when they leave for Sankranthi.
The best case Scenario that govt can expect if TG is denied that the agitation to drag on for months with isolated incidents for violence and that TG people get exhauteds of the Bandhs declared by JAC'S and Curfews declared by govt.
I expect Police Crackdown and Repression on TG people to Intensify on the coming weeks,but I Imagine that there will be some "Spectacular acts" of Violence or Protests committed by TG people.
Dear Friends,
ReplyDelete"When the going gets tougher the tough gets going,"
Afterall all the people of telangana have reached point of no return
and if govt imposes iron hand surely the people will come out in large numbers and
will face it with tough minds..no doubt in that.
I attended Telangana Mahagarjana in warangal...and I can see the massive flow of energy
through the people...
As correctly said by Deshipathy
"cheemala dandulu kadilinayi..pamuki gundelu adirinayi...
Meka potellu urikinayi ...ika thodellu thoka mudichinayi.."
ee poratam agadu..gelupu siddinche varaku Telangana vadulu agaru..
Jai Telangana.
There is no scope for the government to use paramilitary force as long as the protests are peaceful.But once they take a violent face, government needs to protect the public property from being damaged.
ReplyDelete@Shravan
ReplyDeleteProf Kodandarams idea of Peaceful protest is Non-Coperation, that includes Rastarokas, paramilitaries were used to break up totally peaceful dharnas and rastarokas may be a 1000 times in Telengana this time isnt going to be an exception.
CISF and Greyhounds training centres are also in Hyderabad so there may 20 to 30 additional comapanies of them may be also deployed.
ReplyDeleteI think the talk of AP police deploying non-lethal weapons is a public relation stunt.
Police has started Psyops , warning Students and govt Employees of Consequences if they participate in movement. I think it also warned Media not to Air any Inflamatory Content.
Think the govt will also air adverts on TV and paper warning Parents to Control their Children against participating in agitations.
The best the govt can hope for is that the Agitation will intensify and Burnout within Januaruy so that when Settlers return from Holidays they dont have to face the music.
If the current simmering Gujjar agitation will intensify along with Telengana agitation, Maoists and Kashmiri Protestors may also see it as a window of Opportunity as there will be a severe Shortage of Paramilitaries to control any "situation".
Dear Sujai ,
ReplyDelete"Is it the freedoms that we guarantee our citizens of this country? "
One of your esteemed Telangana citizen Pidamarthi Ravi says in recent meeting in front of crowd of lakhs that "students are ready to evict andhras from hyd if kcr gives the signal".
Strangely you dont mention this aspect at all. On one hand you think telangana goons can go on a rampage on andhras but centre should not deploy extra forces. Andhras in Hyd should live at the mercy of Telangana goons. Is that what you say ?
The state is deploying extra forces to protect andhras ,not to curb democracy. Democracy is still there thats why TRS ,OU and other goons are still able to dish out their nonsense.
@Nameless
ReplyDelete"esteemed citizen" Pidamarthi ravi even I did not hear of him, I find it pathetic that you justify Repression on Telenganites based on reamarks made by some non-descript person.
Thats the Reason we Hate your guts of settlers.
"students are ready to evict andhras from hyd if kcr gives the signal".
" we will cut of the limbs of Telenganites" -- By TG venkatesh a Current cabinet minister.
That remark is not even a Direct threat and you can file a court case if you feel it is.
But if you justify the Crackdown on Telenganites base on that statments Telenganites may also justify cutting of settlers heads.
@ Aditya
ReplyDelete"That remark is not even a Direct threat and you can file a court case if you feel it is."
Why dont you file a case in court saying that govt is deploying police forces which is preventing us goons from killing andhras . I am sure that court will agree with you since your movement ,struggle is so so so great.
" Thats the Reason we Hate your guts of settlers. "
ReplyDeleteYou are welcome. We Andhras are 3000 year old proud and hard working race. We are not going to be cowed down by some goons.
While we appreciate the efforts of govt to protect us, we can defend ourselves on our own if required.
@ Aditya
ReplyDelete""esteemed citizen" Pidamarthi ravi even I did not hear of him, I find it pathetic that you justify Repression on Telenganites based on reamarks made by some non-descript person. "
If he was some non descript person ,how come he got a chance to address a gathering that was supposed to be more than 10 lakh people assembling ?
@Nameless
ReplyDelete<<<You are welcome. We Andhras are 3000 year old proud and hard working race. We are not going to be cowed down by some goons.
That Sounds eerily similar to what Sikh Settlers in Delhi Said and we all know what happened to them.
May be not everyone like you are TRS fans and watch their Rallies.
Anna Nameless,
ReplyDeleteKCR gave chances to representatives of all organisations TNGOS,Jamait-e-islam,TJAC and OUJAC and other prominent
people like Swami Agnivesh,Deshipathy.
From TRS only KCR addressed the gathering.
Since your SA govt put all the known leaders of OUJAC were behind the bars with more than 130 cases against each person
this Pidamarthi Ravi got the chance.
I was present at the TG Mahagarjana in WGL and I can say Ravi had missed the golden opportunity to emerge himself as a
leader.I wish Suman/Raja Ram Yadav be present instead of him.
When KCR himself has told earlier that the people who are living here for the last 25 years need not be worried
I dont see any reason why he will ask for evicting the andhra common people.
If we have to evict we will evict the Jagans,Lagadapatis,Kavuris,CBNs,TG venkatesh,JC..and the lsit goes...
Please be proud of your andhra race and work hard to mint money and stay cool..and dont come in the way for Telangana else you will be curshed for sure.
The state is deploying extra forces to protect andhras
ReplyDeleteThe argument here is why Telangana cant be granted? If they satiesfy our rightful demand then there is no use of exta forces.
You say these extra forces are to protect you, we say these extra forces are to crush our agitations. We have historical reasons to think like that.
You are welcome. We Andhras are 3000 year old proud and hard working race.
ReplyDeleteWell, you guys didn't remembered this when you are demanding for separation from Madras, dont start with saying that you wanted separate state for Telugu, every one knows that is only one of the reason for your demand and another cause is you thought you may loose to compete with Tamils who are well educated than you at that time.
If he was some non descript person ,how come he got a chance
ReplyDeleteYup, you still continue your stupid arguments like that. How many people know that guy before he makes that statement?
Another way there are hundreds of guys belongs to United Andhra camp made very very bad statements against TG in this forum? Do we need to really worry about them too?
Please be proud of your andhra race and work hard to mint money and stay cool..and dont come in the way for Telangana else you will be curshed for sure.
ReplyDeleteWell said...
@Aditya
ReplyDeletePlease be proud of your andhra race and work hard to mint money and stay cool..and dont come in the way for Telangana else you will be curshed for sure.
Empty barrels make the most noise :)
@ Waranagal and others
ReplyDelete"and dont come in the way for Telangana else you will be curshed for sure. "
MIM recently came in the way of dropping cases against students. Why couldnt you crush them if you claim to be so powerful.
Lagadapati ,Jagan ,Babu , TG V,chiru and many other UA supporters have their homes and properties in Hyd itself. Why couldnt you crush them in the last one year ? I wonder why !!!
Any talk of sedition like civil war, yudham etc should be crushed. Narendra Modi should have been our CM. He will make right people are 'cut' to size.
ReplyDelete@Sujai:
ReplyDelete"Now, each of its democratic institutions is being meticulously broken down to pave way for an autocracy, rule of police and military."
You brought this upon yourself. Rest of the country is doing just great. There are problems like every democratic society but they are not blaming others. There is MORE democracy here than anywhere else on the planet.
"Is this the dream that our freedom fighters gave us when they fought the British?"
Freedom fighters thought that you would get more matured as a voter with years passing by. But, blaming others for your problems, when you have all the tools and power, just does not work. You are playing into spineless politicians hands by created hatred between fellow Indians. Freedom fighters will be ashamed to have fought for ur freedom.
"Is it the freedoms that we guarantee our citizens of this country? Are we becoming a weak and insecure state?"
When freedom is misused and not exercised responsibly, it should be withdrawn. When you cannot elect good representatives or trust the representatives you have elected or you yourself do not enter politics to do good for your society, you have no right to blame others, weaken the unity and integrity of the country. This is NOT the India the Gandhi and Patel dreamt of.
Aravind:
ReplyDeleteYou brought this upon yourself. Rest of the country is doing just great. There are problems like every democratic society but they are not blaming others. There is MORE democracy here than anywhere else on the planet.
When a nation suppresses a group that is protesting for more representation, more freedom, or better access to opportunity, it is immaturity of that nation to blame the group itself, saying, ‘you brought this upon yourself’. It’s like China mowing down people in Tiananmen Square with tanks, saying, ‘you brought this upon yourself’.
When Dalits or women protest as a group citing discrimination from other groups, it is callousness if we were to suppress it saying ‘there are problems like this in every democratic society’.
A mature democracy addresses the aspirations of various groups seeking right representation and rightful access to opportunity without having to blame the group itself for its woes. That is the only reason why Andhra State was formed out of Madras State.
Freedom fighters thought that you would get more matured as a voter with years passing by. But, blaming others for your problems, when you have all the tools and power, just does not work.
Blaming others when those others are suppressing you is your democratic right. When women are discriminated by men, the women should blame men, when lower castes are discriminated by upper castes, the lower castes should blame the upper caste. When British ruled us, we blamed the British for our woes. It is our inalienable right to protest against the groups and authorities which discriminate us and suppress us. Telanganas are doing the same.
When you cannot elect good representatives or trust the representatives you have elected or you yourself do not enter politics to do good for your society, you have no right to blame others, weaken the unity and integrity of the country.
This is sheer stupidity.
Indian leaders were elected and held offices during British rule, including Patel. And yet, we did not think that winning the mere elections or holding the office was good enough. We sought ‘freedom’ which meant much more to us than mere elections. Andhras had elected representatives in Madras State and yet they sought a separate state. Why do you think so? If everyone went by your illogic, there wouldn’t have been Andhra State to begin with.
Anna Nameless,
ReplyDeleteChiru got his PRP completely wiped out in Telangana...and Lagadapati sold out most of his properties in hyd and shifted his base to north india..
TG venkatesh is oging to face the same thing very very soon..
If u have understood the words of Jamaite-E Islam leader and other muslim leader voice in Mahagarjana...one could easily realised that MIM is fast loosing its credibility in Hyd.
Chiranjeevi openga thiragaledu..chethulu barla chaptihe kodi gudle meeda paduthayi..Leagadapati vasthe cheppulu meeda paduthayi..
Cinemalu anni bokka borla padinayi..inka strong ga kavante oka nela aagu neeke telusthadi...
Regd Students arrests..and the subsequent fasting by them it only reminds us of "sarfarosh ki tammana ab humare dile mein hain..dekhna hain jor kithan baajuein khatil mein hain..."mammulani nirbandinchi nirbandinchi...meeku chethulu padi povali kaani maa ethina pidikillu kaadu..
ReplyDeleteIdi neeku arthamaithe telusthadi...
evadidi empty barrels0...evadidi firangi barrelso..
.....they are not blaming others......
ReplyDelete......blaming others for your problems,.....
....ave no right to blame others,......
Those are not simply blames, those are truths. After reading the Girglani report, Gentlemen Agreement, GO 610 etc Only a person with his brain take out will say 'those are all false allegations' for example like Aravind (who wrote above.)
@Sujai:
ReplyDelete"When a nation suppresses a group that is protesting for more representation"
As far as I know, no govt in India has stopped u from holding rallies, bandhs etc. U have a right to protest and make demands in peaceful and democratic manner and no one took that right away from you. Stop blaming INDIA. However, if u resort to 'civil war' or yudham in any sense, the country and people have right to kill the virus in society, just like the rights u enjoy.
"A mature democracy addresses the aspirations of various groups seeking right representation and rightful access to opportunity"
Indian constitution has provided multiple avenues to realize aspirations of people: electing representatives at local, state and parliament, reservations in education, equal opportunities in vast expanding private sector employment, liberalizing markets, access to private capital etc. It does not discriminate any region in depriving people of NREGA or any govt-sponsored schemes. If ur elected reps do not take care of ur interests, u have a right to reject them. U can ask for separate state but follow democratic process... if there is no support for it in Parliament, face it and respect the decision in the larger interests of the country. If mature democracy means satisfying every demand of each citizen, then forget it. No one gets all they want otherwise nation would be in constant chaos.
"Blaming others when those others are suppressing you is your democratic right."
Who is suppressing you and why are ur electing representatives not fighting enough? Yes, u can blame others for u being misinformed, lied or anything else. But, it is not ur democratic right to deprive people of their livelihood through violence, bandhs, agitations, wars in the country.
"Indian leaders were elected and held offices during British rule, including Patel. And yet, we did not think that winning the mere elections or holding the office was good enough. We sought ‘freedom’ which meant much more to us than mere elections. Andhras had elected representatives in Madras State and yet they sought a separate state. Why do you think so? If everyone went by your illogic, there wouldn’t have been Andhra State to begin with."
Is solution of underdevelopment and unemployment a new state? It is like u want to change an OS for not finding the right program to open a file. New state with new CM and same politicians, same politics and same system.. u think this is the solution to underdevelopment and unemployment. U defend the undemocratic means to achieve these results and u bring selfless freedom fighters into this discussion.
@Sujai:
ReplyDelete"When a nation suppresses a group that is protesting for more representation"
As far as I know, no govt in India has stopped u from holding rallies, bandhs etc. U have a right to protest and make demands in peaceful and democratic manner and no one took that right away from you. Stop blaming INDIA. However, if u resort to 'civil war' or yudham in any sense, the country and people have right to kill the virus in society, just like the rights u enjoy.
"A mature democracy addresses the aspirations of various groups seeking right representation and rightful access to opportunity"
Indian constitution has provided multiple avenues to realize aspirations of people: electing representatives at local, state and parliament, reservations in education, equal opportunities in vast expanding private sector employment, liberalizing markets, access to private capital etc. It does not discriminate any region in depriving people of NREGA or any govt-sponsored schemes. If ur elected reps do not take care of ur interests, u have a right to reject them. U can ask for separate state but follow democratic process... if there is no support for it in Parliament, face it and respect the decision in the larger interests of the country. If mature democracy means satisfying every demand of each citizen, then forget it. No one gets all they want otherwise nation would be in constant chaos.
"Blaming others when those others are suppressing you is your democratic right."
Who is suppressing you and why are ur electing representatives not fighting enough? Yes, u can blame others for u being misinformed, lied or anything else. But, it is not ur democratic right to deprive people of their livelihood through violence, bandhs, agitations, wars in the country.
"Andhras had elected representatives in Madras State and yet they sought a separate state. Why do you think so? If everyone went by your illogic, there wouldn’t have been Andhra State to begin with."
Is solution of underdevelopment and unemployment a new state? It is like u want to change an OS for not finding the right program to open a file. New state with new CM and same politicians, same politics and same system.. u think this is the solution to underdevelopment and unemployment. U defend the undemocratic means to achieve these results and u bring selfless freedom fighters into this discussion.
@Sujai:
ReplyDelete"When a nation suppresses a group that is protesting for more representation"
As far as I know, no govt in India has stopped u from holding rallies, bandhs etc. U have a right to protest and make demands in peaceful and democratic manner and no one took that right away from you. Stop blaming INDIA. However, if u resort to 'civil war' or yudham in any sense, the country and people have right to kill the virus in society, just like the rights u enjoy.
"A mature democracy addresses the aspirations of various groups seeking right representation and rightful access to opportunity"
Indian constitution has provided multiple avenues to realize aspirations of people: electing representatives at local, state and parliament, reservations in education, equal opportunities in vast expanding private sector employment, liberalizing markets, access to private capital etc. It does not discriminate any region in depriving people of NREGA or any govt-sponsored schemes. If ur elected reps do not take care of ur interests, u have a right to reject them. U can ask for separate state but follow democratic process... If mature democracy means satisfying every demand of each citizen, then forget it. No one gets all they want otherwise nation would be in constant chaos.
"Blaming others when those others are suppressing you is your democratic right."
Who is suppressing you and why are ur electing representatives not fighting enough? Yes, u can blame others for u being misinformed, lied or anything else. But, it is not ur democratic right to deprive people of their livelihood through violence, bandhs, agitations, wars in the country.
"Andhras had elected representatives in Madras State and yet they sought a separate state. Why do you think so? If everyone went by your illogic, there wouldn’t have been Andhra State to begin with."
Is solution of underdevelopment and unemployment a new state? It is like u want to change an OS for not finding the right program to open a file. New state with new CM and same politicians, same politics and same system.. u think this is the solution to underdevelopment and unemployment. U defend the undemocratic means to achieve these results and u bring selfless freedom fighters into this discussion.
if u resort to 'civil war' or yudham in any sense, the country and people have right to kill the virus in society
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about TRS alone or about entire TG agitators?
but follow democratic process
I dont see why we are not following democratic process, infact it is SA leaders who blackmailed the central govt. in un-democratic way by doing mass resignations.
there is no support for it in Parliament, face it and respect the decision in the larger interests of the country.
Then tell me who didnt follow this route? SA leaders should have fight for there cause in parliament, instead of blackmailing with mass resignations (like cowards).
But, it is not ur democratic right to deprive people of their livelihood through violence, bandhs, agitations, wars in the country.
This is all would have been avoided if SA leaders choose to fight in parliament instead of fighting here in AP with there blackmailing. Where the hell are these United Andhra people when each and every party supported for TG formation in the previous assembly elections?
New state with new CM and same politicians, same politics and same system.
Yes, but you failed to see other things, there will be no SA leaders to influence the water or other development projects, there will be no SA leaders to divert the state funds to SA alone, there will be no illegal govt. job grabbing by SA people, we dont need to fight with SA leaders in state assembly to use our rightful share of water. and there are many other things like this even though we have same elected leaders.
Think of it like this.
ReplyDeleteOrissa can say we have less representation than Hindi speaking people and almost always there is a Hindi speaking person as PM and therefore Oriyans are discriminated and hence we want a separate nation.
And from there take every argument you want.
1. Oriya is under-represented.
2. Was an Oriyan made supreme court chief justice.
3. Did Orissa get a fair share.
4. How many Oriyans vis-a-vis there population have jobs in central jobs.
5. Aren't Hindi people ganging up and seeing to it that the Ganga should not be diverted to Orissa.
Actually my imagination is limited in comparison to the lies built by the TG agitators.
Now this is what is anti-national. You dont believe in democracy. It is you who want autocracy or even anarchy Sujai.
Stop being dubious.
This whole TG agitation is a creation by the upper caste/class people in Telangana who had lost power because of democratic institutions after the Nizam rule ended. And now that they miss their autocratic power they have brought this issue out of their hunger for power.
So actually the issue Sujai is actually in the reverse.
India wants democracy. The TG agitators want autocracy.
Of course a brilliant argument may be brought up saying that "but Orissa people do not think like that and we will handle it when that comes".
ReplyDeleteBut this is a precedent set which makes people want to think like that and that is dangerous.
And OK there is a dispute and the Sri Krishna Committee has been appointed but the TG agitators say they will not respect that too.
Let them give their judgement or suggestion or findings and then we take it from there.
But what logic is there in saying no to that and saying only we are right (which by the way is what autocrats do).
Orissa can say the same thing. Anyone can for that matter. Tomorrow TG agitators will say we are a princely state and as per that agreement (which in fact is there truly) we want out of the nation.
Lets all wait for the committee's report. Period.
//Orissa can say we have less representation than Hindi speaking people and ......
ReplyDeleteSadly you suppressed your intellectual and played dumb when you asked separate state from Madras.
//but Orissa people do not think like that ......
ReplyDeleteSadly, Seemandra people did thought like that when they were with Madras. And even in 1972 AP.
//Let them give their judgement or suggestion or findings and then we take it from there.
Before the merge Fazal Ali committee did the extensive research and made a report about Telangana and Seemandra, but unfortunately none of them was followed, so why do we want to implement SKC recommendations.
//what logic is there in saying no to that and saying only we are right
I am glad finally you realized now that you are having autocracy, you always say TG is wrong and Seemandra is right.
//Lets all wait for the committee's report. Period.
We will not rest until we get our own state, Period.
Isn't the dubiousness self-obvious?
ReplyDeleteSeemandhra people asked for Madras too. So did it happen? Hyderabad???
If you don't rest #Masti# democracy has this history of putting everything to rest - think tamilian seccessionist tendencies, think Khalistan, think Kashmir, think even LTTE the great army. It is ok.
Yeah you will tell me think chatisgarh or jharkhand. True. No one's against a new state.
If the committee does recommend telangana so be it. Let it come. Or if there are political compulsions (present or future) that will make the state possible (or even inevitable) so be it. Let it be so.
But this habit of blaming other people for one's plights is what is pathetic in a democracy and which should be put to a stop. This business of lies needs to be cracked. That is where the problem lies.
TG agitation is built on a foundation of lies and like I stated before - it is the upper castes/classes in Telangana (otherwise called Doras) who have lost power in the democracy that was after 1948 and who now crave for power and so have started this agitation. There hunger for power is what sadly has led to all the lies and the suicides of students.
Its time that these Doras need to be made naked and their lies nailed. Let the state come after that.
Sera:
ReplyDeleteThink of it like this. Orissa can say we have less representation than Hindi speaking people...
You have unnecessarily waste too much of your time trying to construct an example based on invalid comparison, when in fact, we have too many real examples for valid comparisons – like creation of Gujarat, Andhra State, Jharkhand, etc.
Telangana is not seeking better representation in India, but it is seeking rightful representation at a state level.
Actually my imagination is limited in comparison to the lies built by the TG agitators.
Your imagination is running wild. It is not based in real history or precedents. You have to take a look at history of formation of states in India, instead of trying to create new examples that have no basis. Take a look at how Andhra State is formed. That alone will help you hold your imagination to realistic cases.
//But this habit of blaming other people for one's plights is what is pathetic in a democracy
ReplyDeleteThose are not simply blames, read the Girglani Commission Report, which explains how TG lost its share of Govt. jobs. Read the Bahargava Commission Report, which explains how AP govt. illegally moved TG funds to Seemandra. You can start with it, there are thousunds of other matters like this.
When you guys keep saying that Girglani etc Reports are wrong, why do you think we should accept the SKC report?
//Seemandhra people asked for Madras too.
Do you have a strong case to claim Madras like on what basis we are claiming HYD? If HYD is only thing stopping you for TG formation, why dont you change your movement name from 'United Andhra' to 'We want HYD' ? Shameless people....
sera:
ReplyDeleteLet’s all wait for the committee's report. Period.
No other state was formed on the basis of a committee’s report. Why should Telangana people be forced into one? We reject this committee and it report as far as formation of Telangana is concerned. However, we have decided to contribute to the committee’s report as an academic exercise.
//If you don't rest #Masti# democracy has this history of putting everything to rest
ReplyDeleteBy the way even though the democracy is soooo powerful , you still can bring it to knees by doing mass resignations, you SA leaders proved it in 1972 and 2009. You never thought you would be put to rest when blackmailing the democracy.
sera:
ReplyDeleteBut this habit of blaming other people for one's plights is what is pathetic in a democracy and which should be put to a stop. This business of lies needs to be cracked. That is where the problem lies.
The problem is not when the oppressed blame the oppressors, but when the oppressors are not ready to admit their guilt. To make this a vibrant democracy, the oppressors should start admitting their wrongdoings.
We will not believe the SKC report.
ReplyDeleteWe will not believe that there are enough statements within the Fazl Ali commission where he also positively points to the merger.
We will believe what we want to believe.
It almost looks like having a debate with the holocaust apologists.
And sujai there is no example of a state formed with its capital in that region. For all the history you quote I wanted to put that in perspective which changes the equation considerably.
The state may happen. The SKC may recommend it. The political inevitabilities may force it. That's all ok.
But this habit of blaming other people for one's plights is what is pathetic in a democracy and which should be put to a stop. This business of lies needs to be cracked. That is where the problem lies.
TG agitation is built on a foundation of lies and like I stated before - it is the upper castes/classes in Telangana (otherwise called Doras) who have lost power in the democracy that was after 1948 and who now crave for power and so have started this agitation. There hunger for power is what sadly has led to all the lies and the suicides of students.
And sujai that there has been oppression is an outright LIE in capitals. In fact over the year TG agitators constant complaining has driven more funds into that region overall.
This is imagined oppression. Everyone can feel oppressed. Anyone who goes to a roadside joint may feel oppressed by a guy who goes to a five star joint. A failed student can feel oppressed. You are wasting valuable grey cells which have a more productive use.
KCR from erstwhile Srikakulam.
ReplyDeleteSwami Agnivesh ....his actual name is some Rao also from Srikakulam
Vijayashanti- from guntur.
The three musketeers of t state !!
sera:
ReplyDeleteWe will not believe…
You have to see this in perspective of history of this region – why people of this region are reluctant to believe any new stories. It is almost similar to why Indians were reluctant to believe anything British said after a period of time. When you are betrayed so many times, you lose trust in new stories, new commissions, and new initiatives. Indians, over a period of time, said, ‘let’s put an end to all this bullshit. All we need is complete freedom. Anything less, we will not accept’. Similarly, people of this region have come to a stand where they say, ‘all we want is a new state. Anything less, we will not accept’.
And sujai there is no example of a state formed with its capital in that region. For all the history you quote I wanted to put that in perspective which changes the equation considerably.
Well, there is nothing in Indian Constitution which suggests that a state having the capital cannot ask for a status of separate state. In the past, it so happened that the neglected regions were usually the ones which did not have capital city in their regions. Telangana happens to be an exception where the region which has the capital city is the one which is neglected. And that is also the reason why people of this region are paying the price - of the delay in formation of their state.
But this habit of blaming other people for one's plights is what is pathetic in a democracy and which should be put to a stop. This business of lies needs to be cracked. That is where the problem lies.
Are you not repeating yourself? You wrote the same in the previous comment.
TG agitation is built on a foundation of lies and like I stated before...
You are repeating yourself once again.
And sujai that there has been oppression is an outright LIE in capitals. In fact over the year TG agitators constant complaining has driven more funds into that region overall.
Well, it does not become a lie just because you use capitals.
We seek a separate state. That’s the truth. Why we seek a separate state could be based on certain reasons. Those reasons may appear as lies to you. But they appear to be truths to us fighting for that state. You have an option to take a look at our reasons. You may not agree with our reasons.
But you cannot deny the fact that we seek a separate state within the legal confines of Indian Constitution. The same was used by so many others before us to seek separate state including those who are fiercely opposed to formation of Telangana, namely, Andhras. We did not verify whether the reasons cited by Andhras were lies or not.
Sujai:
ReplyDeleteThere is no doubt that within the confines of Indian Constitution you have the full right to ask for it and of course there is a mechanism to achieve it. Fine.
But why all the violence and the "we will throw you out attitude".
And what stops us - Khayasts - from wanting a separate Hyderabad which anyway has no relation culturally to Andhra or Rayalseema or Telangana.
Of course you may say there is no agitation yet. Time will say is all I can say at this stage.
sera:
ReplyDeleteBut why all the violence and the "we will throw you out attitude".
You have to see it in the perspective of any mass movement. There will always be some elements in any struggle who utter such violent statements. Even the most peaceful movements in the human history, that of Indian Independence Movement under the guidance of Mahatma Gandhi, saw violent actions and aggressive rhetoric. Even separation of Andhra from Madras State was not a peaceful one. In comparison, the current Telangana agitation is 100 times peaceful.
One has to go by the outcome of such movements. British were not treated as villains in 1947. In fact, we became such good friends that we allowed Mountbatten to continue to head the nation for another 3 years.
I wouldn’t measure the current Telangana Movement only through such exceptional and tiny number of statements – though it is unfortunate that media only propagates those statements. If you pay attention, you will see that most of Telangana agitations have been quite peaceful, leading processions, playing khokho, conducting dhoom dhams, vanta varpu, human chains, etc.
And what stops us - Khayasts - from wanting a separate Hyderabad which anyway has no relation culturally to Andhra or Rayalseema or Telangana.
Nothing stops you from voicing your opinion. I have dealt a great deal on this blog why I do not encourage cities to be cut from its regions. That would set a wrong precedent. That is my opinion. If you differ in your opinion it would make sense to write your comments on that blog.
Having said that- my opinion is not etched in stone. We may be able to come up with a scenario where a city may want to opt out of a region as an independent entity. When such a situation arises in future, we could deal with that too. Some analysts in India are proposing such a model where cities are independent of the regions. But that requires a proper policy – and that policy has not come in yet.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteDemocracy is a fragile institution, which can easily slip into autocracy in times of insecurity or weakness. It takes lot of strength to keep it going, not succumbing to easy methods of imposing military or police rule at the first sign of trouble.
So what do you think the government should do? Should the government ignore the trouble (which by the way is not happening for the first time)? I agree that you should have freedom in a democratic country and I'm sure you are fully exercising your freedom when you blog on some sensitive issues like Kashmir without fear. Now does your definition of freedom also include things like pelting stones, injuring people, destroying property etc? Obviously you cannot demand these as your basic rights.
And sujai there is no example of a state formed with its capital in that region.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is not a universal law like sun raises east, so state formed with its capital in that region can happen.
This business of lies needs to be cracked.
Why dont you start doing that? Start with Girglani report. I will wait for 'Sera commission report', :)
it is the upper castes/classes in Telangana (otherwis ....
But we see other way, this United Andhra movement is nothing but a paid agitation by industrialists turned politicians who want to have there iron grip on Telangana and its resources. Hunger for there power and money led to hundreds of deaths in TG. There is no people support for that agitation. They successfully managed so far by sending suitcases to Delhi and bags to various locations in Seemandra.
TG agitators constant complaining has driven more funds into that region overall.
Like how the N-Bard funds allocated, from total of around 140Crores, Seemandra got the 130crores and Telangana got 10crores. Thanks for bringing up ...
You are wasting valuable grey cells which have a more productive use.
Same to you.
Of course you may say there is no agitation yet. Time will say is all I can say at this stage.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you worry about HYD now? Did SA people thought the same thing that 'Seema may want there own state' when they asked separation from Madras? Do you guarantee that Uttarandra will not ask for there own state? There is no guarantee for any thing, few things may happen and few may not, but we can predict anything.
So, stop your foolish future imaginations about separate HYD, separate uttara telangan etc and talk about current situations. It is dangerous to live in future or past.
Formation of Telangana state is only possible via 2nd SRC.
ReplyDeleteWhoever says otherwise is cheating you.
does your definition of freedom also include things like pelting stones, injuring people, destroying property etc?
ReplyDeleteNope, and we expressed the same hundreds of times before in this blog.
And the definition of the freedom also not include the stealing others govt jobs, stealing others resources, stealing others share of water etc.
hyderabadi:
ReplyDeleteSo what do you think the government should do? Should the government ignore the trouble (which by the way is not happening for the first time)?
Creating a new state should not be such a big deal in a mature democracy, and yet it has become such a contentious issue in our country. It has become such a big deal only because we were reluctant to form new states in the past equating it to disintegration of the country. However, things have changed in the recent past for the center.
Telangana could have easily formed the way Uttarakhand, Jharkhand and Chattisgarh were formed, without much fuss. The only reason why Telangana is not formed with similar ease is because Andhras do not want let go of Hyderabad – pretty evident from how the blackmailing resulted in retract of Dec 9th statement. And therefore, Telangana people are pushed into taking this struggle to massive protests, dharnas, agitations, etc, only because a certain group is not ready to recognize the inevitability.
If Telangana was formed the way other states were formed, you wouldn’t have seen these agitations and protests on the streets.
Formation of Telangana state is only possible via 2nd SRC.
ReplyDeleteWhoever says otherwise is cheating you.
By the way there are many states formed without SRC, for example Andhra State, Jarkhand, Uttrancharl etc. And there is one state created against the SRC(as of I know), for example Andhra Pradesh.
So, my conclusion is, SRC is waste of time and tax money.
Aravind:
ReplyDeleteIndian constitution has provided multiple avenues to realize aspirations of people: electing representatives at local, state and parliament, reservations in education, equal opportunities in vast expanding private sector employment, liberalizing markets, access to private capital etc.
In addition to these, Indian Constitution also allows creation of new states. Many regions have used this – like creation of Andhra State from Madras State, Gujarat from Maharashtra, etc. Telangana people seek the same.
Who is suppressing you and why are ur electing representatives not fighting enough?
Our elected representatives are fighting for us, now, at last. They are also demanding a separate state, the way the people want. We are happy that our elected representatives are now voicing the opinion of the people. It’s something that we should celebrate, not reject.
Is solution of underdevelopment and unemployment a new state?
Not always. But coming to think of it, what were the reasons Andhras cited to form Andhra State from Madras State? Can you recall?
sujai,
ReplyDeleteTelangana could have easily formed the way Uttarakhand, Jharkhand and Chattisgarh were formed, without much fuss. The only reason why Telangana is not formed with similar ease is because Andhras do not want let go of Hyderabad
So if two groups of people have completely opposite demands then you need to have a neutral arbiter which in this case is SKC. SKC has done extensive research for the last one year. They have accepted presentations from even individuals like you. In their final report they will have a recommendation substantiated with concrete data. The central govt and the rest of the country will use this report as a basis for decision making. But you said that states are not formed based on committees and this was purely an academic exercise. So how do you decide which way to go?
you said:
Telangana people are pushed into taking this struggle to massive protests, dharnas, agitations, etc, only because a certain group is not ready to recognize the inevitability.
So lets say you do this and the SA guys also do this with equal intensity. How do you eventually resolve? Is it based on who burns more RTC buses? or Who has concrete logical data/reasons that are independently verified and backed by a neutral entity formed by the central govt and accepted by the rest of the nation?
So lets say you do this and the SA guys also do this with equal intensity.
ReplyDeleteI still dont understand why SA people never complained when all the parties supported TG formation in the previous assembly elections. Intrestingly SA people still blame TRS for this mess but never talk a word about TDP/Congress/PRP. Didn't those parties accepted for TG formation on behalf of the people in all party meeting just before the Dec-9th?
They cry loud when KCR talks civil war, but they dont care when TG says the same thing.
My conclusion is, SA people never accept there or there leaders mistakes but always blame TG people/leaders for anything bad happened in TG.
That is called 'twisted tongue' in current world. Best example for the 'telangan discrimination by seemandras'.
@all telangana and SA friends
ReplyDeletekakatiyas ruled entire t region as well as most part of SA from anakapalli in vishaka district to ongole to cudapah.
veella tarvatha vachina golconda kutubshahi nawabla vamsam 1592 lo hyd nagaraanni nirmisthe 1716 varuku andhra telangana kalise unnayi
veella tarvatha vachina asaf jahi nizamlu 1766 varuku telangana and SAni paripalincharu
1766 lo british-french valla madhya jarigina yudhamlo british vallaki maddatu ichi 9 lakh rupeeski per annum ki coastal districts ni raasi ichadi nizam.in fact, entho starergic importance unna sea cost kosam french vallu kooda entho poraadaru
daani tarvatha 1800-1820 madhya kalamlo british vallatho kudurchukunna oppandam prakaaram ihe nizam british armyni pochilchalsi undindi.antha dabbu leka rayalaseemna vallaki raasi ichhadu.
thats y its called ceeded(meaning writing away).deeni dwara nizam prabhutvam meeda military expoenditure poorthiga taggipoyindi
hyd evaridi, surplus budget evaridi, deficit evaridi, etc
ilantivanni inka meere telchukondi
hyderabadi:
ReplyDeleteSo if two groups of people have completely opposite demands then you need to have a neutral arbiter which in this case is SKC.
The solution to the current problem lies in politics, not in recommendations or committee reports. When Britain let go of India, it was not based on a set of recommendations or a consequence of a committee’s report. The same is true for formation of Andhra State out of Madras State. Nobody waited for a report from a committee to form an Andhra State.
To start with, Andhras do not have a case. Not letting go of a city which lies deeply inside another region is unheard of. Andhras stand on a flimsy and farcical case to start with. And the fact that India has to even consider that farcical case is unfortunate.
Telangana is not seeking anything that does not belong to Telangana. Andhras are seeking something that does not belong to them. Telangana laying claim to Tirupati because its devotees have poured in money into its hundis will sound ridiculous. So is the current claim of Andhras over Hyderabad.
May be not today, but in future, we will recall this claim of Andhras as a ridiculous claim and smile as to how foolish we were as a nation even to think that their claim was deserved merit.
In their final report they will have a recommendation substantiated with concrete data.
The answer to the current problem lies in politics, not data. We should get that into our heads first. A nation or a state is not formed because of data or summary of that data. SKC report will be ambiguous, vague, giving too many solutions, creating more problems than what we already have. And that is the goal of the present government – to delay the formation of Telangana. And people of Telangana see through this subterfuge, but are helpless.
So lets say you do this and the SA guys also do this with equal intensity.
SA guys have every right to oppose the formation of Telangana, they can do what they want to do, burn their buses, go onto streets, as long as they do it in SA, we have no problem with it. One day, they have to mature up and live with the eventuality – that people of Telangana do not want to live with them in the same state. It’s funny, but how can you stop someone who doesn’t want to live with you? Only a male chauvinist husband can do that to a wife.
@sujai
ReplyDeleteyou say hyderabad belongs to telangana because it lies geograpjically within telangana
but what about the infrastructure and employment & education oppurtunities like it/bpo companies, central govt organisations, iit, iiit, bits, etc which succesive govts have created as it is the capital of AP and NOT a telangana region city.
u think seemandhraites dont have right over there?
Anonymous:
ReplyDelete[You should give yourself f a name – at least a pseudonym. It helps to identify].
u think seemandhraites dont have right over there?
No.
Once Telangana is formed, they would have no right over them the way Telanganas would have no right over institutes in Seemandhra, or the way Punjabis would have no right over institutions in Bangalore. However, many institutes are open to people all over the country – same would continue with those institutes.
I have written at great lengths on this topic on this blog. There are articles discussing this. You can read them.
Hey you people think that status of Hyderabad is a fight between Telangana guys and seemandhra guys. What nonsense.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens to us - the real Hyderabadis - 400 years old.
None of you telangana guys or seemandhra guys are hyderabadis.
This is testing patience.
Of course one thing on your side is that there is no agitation for a separate Hyderabad. Wait till we khayasts and muslims get together.
This is totally intolerant that you people think that Hyderabad is to be fought between the telangana guys and the seemandhra guys while we true Hyderabadis are marginalized.
Hyderabad has no relation to telangana and seema-andhra be it in terms of culture, cuisine, ethnicity, history, music, arts or anything else.
We are going to fight our case.
Hopefully. Like this blog says Hyderabad will be the first example of separating the metros from their respective states. And it is the right place to begin with other than Delhi which anyway is a state now.
I am (at least personally and many of many of my relatives) are tired of this fight between telangana guys and seema-andhra guys while it belongs to none of them in any respect.
While one wants to keep us as a slave for having been part of it for 400 years, the other wants to keep us as a concubine for being there doe 50 odd years.
What nonsense.
If the status-quo continues - well and good. That is what we live. otherwise give us our freedom.
Is that asking too much? While you are asking yours.
The problem here is large.
ReplyDeleteThe telangana guys and the seema-andhra guys share a language, culture and ethnicity.
While we Hyderabadis share nothing with them - we are Hindi and Urdu and Biryani and Ghazals while none of these both of these guys have these.
They - the telanaganites and seema-andhra guys - have nothing to do with Hyderabadis except exploiting them in terms of taxes. Both are exploiters.
Hyderabad should be separate.
We can't imagine a life with telanganites who will exploit us and we are afraid of their violence and maoism. They will stamp down our religion and daily life.
Can't tolerate that.
Hyderabad has become like a prostitute that all of you want. The prostitute wants her freedom. Can't you understand that?
Can't you understand that?
Sujai said: It’s funny, but how can you stop someone who doesn’t want to live with you? Only a male chauvinist husband can do that to a wife.
ReplyDeleteNow think of our position. The Hyderabadi position Sujai.
We are wife to none.
One wants to keep as a slave - telanganites.
And one wants to use as a concubine - seema-andhra guys.
While we want freedom from both.
sera:
ReplyDeleteWhat happens to us - the real Hyderabadis - 400 years old.
There is no such thing called real Hyderabadis. Hyderabad was built on lands acquired from Telangana. It continues to grow on regions of Telangana. The way San Francisco is part of California though it houses more immigrants than Californians, and the way Bangalore is part of Karnataka though it houses more immigrants than Kannadigas, Hyderabad is part of Telangana.
None of you telangana guys or seemandhra guys are hyderabadis.
Well, if those Telangana guys or seemandhra guys happen to live in Hyderabad, they call themselves hyderabadis. You cannot deny them the status of Hyderabadis just because they happen to be Telanganas or Seemandhras.
Just the way you are Kayashta Hyderabadi, they Telangana Hyderabadi or Seemandhra Hyderabadi.
This is testing patience.
Welcome to real world. You have many things to learn.
Of course one thing on your side is that there is no agitation for a separate Hyderabad. Wait till we khayasts and muslims get together.
The Muslims, at least those led by MIM, had their chance already. They wanted a separate Hyderabad, as a separate nation. That was not allowed because it was lying inside India on all sides. The same logic will be applied now if Hyderabad wants to be a separate state or union territory – unfortunately for you, Hyderabad thrives and grows on lands of Telangana on all sides. There is no such a thing called separate Hyderabad without Telangana.
Hyderabad has no relation to telangana and seema-andhra be it in terms of culture, cuisine, ethnicity, history, music, arts or anything else.
Like any city on the planet, Hyderabad has its unique culture. Having unique culture is not paving way for Mumbai to be separated from Maharashtra, Boston to be separated from Massachusetts, London from England, Rome for Italy, or Venice from Austria. You need to take a look at real world before you start speaking next time. Studying history of others cities on this planet will help you. Otherwise you are on the verge of being ignored on this forum as another troll who doesn’t merit a response.
I am (at least personally and many of many of my relatives) are tired of this fight between telangana guys and seema-andhra guys while it belongs to none of them in any respect.
You should leave Hyderabad and migrate to cities like Mumbai or Bangalore. There you can escape the regional politics ;-)
BTW, such migration is not uncommon. When India and Pakistan separated, many Muslims from New Delhi migrated to Pakistan, and many Hindus from Lahore moved into India. Also, during creation of Andhra State, many Andhras moved out of Madras (Chennai).
While we Hyderabadis share nothing with them - we are Hindi and Urdu and Biryani and Ghazals while none of these both of these guys have these.
ReplyDeleteWell, there is no Hindi till recent years in HYD, there is only Urdu, and I am laughing at your ignorance, that my grand father can write Urdu well than Telugu, in our small village even though there is only one Muslim family we still celebrate the 'peers' festival.
By the way, what Hyderabad culture are you talking about? Do you mean Hyderabad is Muslims' culture?
But any way, I dont mind if some one agitating for separate HYD state, and this blog is not against to that, you are wasting your time here with your separate HYD arguments.
Can't you understand that?
Nope, because we have no time to listen to you, we are currently busy in Telangana agitations, come back later. Thanks.
sera:
ReplyDeleteTo make people like you understand the status of cities, I wrote extensive lengths of articles on this blog. Please read them before you waste your time.
The telangana guys and the seema-andhra guys share a language, culture and ethnicity.
That’s your opinion. Keep it yourself. The more you talk, the more ignorant you are sounding.
They - the telanaganites and seema-andhra guys - have nothing to do with Hyderabadis except exploiting them in terms of taxes. Both are exploiters.
You seem to be of the opinion that cities thrive on their own independent of the region surrounding them. So as not to sound ignorant and foolish, you should spend time and energy understanding how cities are developed in the first place.
Hyderabad should be separate.
Cities are never independent. They are always part of a region. Take a look at USA and Europe and study each city. Only the capital cities of a country are usually made independent of a state and that is done for a different reason. Almost every other city is a crown jewel of each region. Atlanta for Georgia, LA and SFO for California, Chicago for Illinois, Stuttgart for Baden-Württemberg, Munich for Bavaria, and so on.
Please note that the argument you provide, that Hyderabad’s culture is unique, is true for every city on the planet. It looks like you have not been around much. That should not stop you from learning about other cities and their histories. These days internet gives you many sources – ignorance cannot be an excuse.
We can't imagine a life with telanganites who will exploit us and we are afraid of their violence and maoism. They will stamp down our religion and daily life.
How is that your city thrived for 400 years? Without Telanganites that you despise now? Harboring such hatred for the people you are surrounded by will not help you.
Can't you understand that? Can't you understand that?
Before you repeat your question again, you have too much to learn and study.
So now sujai:
ReplyDeleteYou tell us that Hyderabad was built on land acquired from Telangana - why not andhra (depending on your timeline of history). And why not India?
For your second point no one is denying hyderabadi status to telanganites too. Just the way you are are a telanganite hyderbadi somebody else is a andhra hyderbadi or a seema hyderbadi.
No one had their chance to speak. There was fear that was created. And let me be clear that there is such a thing called separate Hyderabad. And it does not thrive on telangana on all sides and all such bullshit (I am sure you heard of a guy called adam smith and his book called wealth of nations).
Hyderabad is not like any other city in the world. There is no other city which speaks a different language (urdu and hindi) vis-a-vis its boundaries which speak telugu. Everywhere thats a different country - be it venice or singapore.
You can leave Hyderabad for the last comment and it is also not unheard of. Thats ok. You may want to leave to warangal which may be the capital of telangana or to nizambad or to nalgonda or to mahboobnagar. Big deal.
Sujai. You are not getting the point that there is a whole ONE CRORE people sandwiched in your fight which you want to ignore and I think consciously.
You want to deprive them of their freedom or take revenge or tax them. . . I dont know.
We will not allow that to happen without a separate hyderabad. We dont trust you telanganites.
sera:
ReplyDeleteYou tell us that Hyderabad was built on land acquired from Telangana - why not andhra (depending on your timeline of history). And why not India?
When India got separated, Delhi, which was a capital city promoted by Mughal Emperors, did not go with Pakistan, but remained with India, only because it was lying inside the carved country called India. Though Muslims owe their allegiance to Mughal Empire and there were many Muslims living in Delhi, the city remained with India. Similarly, though Indians associate their linkage in culture to Taxila, Harappa and Mohenjadaro, those cities are now in Pakistan.
So, when two regions get separated, the cities go with the regions they reside in, however unique they are.
Hyderabad is not like any other city in the world.
Frog in the well?
You should stop repeating this, because now you are making an utter fool of yourself. There are many Urdu pundits in Telangana, and many people speak Urdu outside of Hyderabad. As much as Urdu influenced Telangana Telugu, Telangana Telugu influenced Urdu spoken in Hyderabad. Try speaking your Urdu to someone in Lucknow and see his reaction.
You are not getting the point that there is a whole ONE CRORE people sandwiched in your fight which you want to ignore and I think consciously.
Those who oppose to be part of Hyderabad when Telangana is formed can migrate to cities or regions of their choice. Separation typically involves migration. Some continue to stay, some chose to migrate. During Partition of India nearly 1.25 Crore people migrated.
We dont trust you telanganites.
Then why were you living in our city for the last 400 years? Didn’t you read history?
Now think of our position. The Hyderabadi position Sujai.
ReplyDeleteసందట్లో సడేమియా ...
Hey all you guys:
ReplyDeleteSujai is getting offensive:
He i saying that ONE CRORE people can live in an other city.
Fantastic.
I will actually say why cant the other people live where they are and FEEL like they are in an other place.
Sujai is speaking or writing like a fundamentalist or a tribalist. He should read more steven pinker, matt ridley and thinkers like those.
This is utter nonsense,
He simply cant understand that Hyderbadi is different from telanaganitism or seemaandhraism.
Mad.
Sorry the problem is there were some spell errors before which Sujai can make joke of but that's Ok. I have to to do what I have to do inspite of his humor.
ReplyDeleteHey all you guys:
Sujai is getting offensive:
He is saying that ONE CRORE people can live in an other city.
Fantastic.
I will actually say why cant the other people live where they are and FEEL like they are in an other place. After all its a just an other TWO crore.
Sujai is speaking or writing like a fundamentalist or a tribalist. He should read more steven pinker, matt ridley and thinkers like those.
This is utter nonsense,
He simply cant understand that Hyderbadi is different from telanaganitism or seemaandhraism.
There is a clear case of blackmail here.
PURE BLACKMAIL politics this is.
No one had their chance to speak. There was fear that was created.
ReplyDeleteI too can blindly say that in our country every one wants there own country, but because of the fear they dont speak out. I can make hundreds of statements like that because I dont have to show any evidence to support my arguments.
Hyderabad is not like any other city in the world. There is no other city which speaks a different language (urdu and hindi) vis-a-vis its boundaries which speak telugu.
Could you please tell me from which planet are you from?
We will not allow that to happen without a separate hyderabad
So what Hyderabad are you talking about? Do you want 1956 HYD? or 1947? Or do you want the current Greater HYD (most part of Greater HYD is part of current TG districts any way). Do you want Sec'bad too?
The problem here is this.
ReplyDelete1. Someone needs to tell this guys that there is no real telangana as much as there is no real hyderabad as much as there is no real kundhanbagh.
2. And that needs to be told strongly. No amount of hugging is going to work. You have to give it.
And all the Hyderabad people will agree to that.
Let the Krishna committee give its report. Lets follow that.
If they say separate telangana fine. No problem. If they say united state OK. If the say Hyderabad separate GREAT.
And anyone else who disturbs peace should get whacked.
Sera:
ReplyDeleteHe i saying that ONE CRORE people can live in an other city.
Actually, I don’t believe that ONE CRORE people are with you – in not trusting ‘telanganites’, or in thinking they are so unique that they don’t have anything to do with Telangana or Seemandhra.
I believe that people who are with you in your logic and thinking is an extremely small number. And that small number can move to any city they like if they don’t like to part of Telangana. When Gujarat and Maharasthra were formed out of Bombay State, people living in Mumbai had an option to stay in the city or live, but the option of whether the city belonged to Maharashtra or Gujarat was not theirs. What I mean is there are no referendums for cities on where they want to be. Supreme Court made this clear in their decision on Bombay during the formation of Gujarat.
You cannot change the eventuality that Hyderabad is part of Telangana just because you happen to be living there with a different opinion. Chinese living in San Francisco cannot imagine they are NOT part of California and expect their China Town to attain statehood away from California, saying , ‘we don’t trust Californians’. Such a statement would be considered foolish. That’s why I consider your statements foolish.
You have to understand that we (Telanganas) don’t really want to force people who do not want to be part of Telangana to stay with us. They are free to go wherever they want. They are welcome to stay as well. Actually it comes as a surprise that these small section of people who were living in Hyderabad thought they were not part of Telangana region – wonder which schools they went to and what kind of education they got.
sera:
ReplyDeleteIf they say separate telangana fine. No problem. If they say united state OK. If the say Hyderabad separate GREAT.
Your ignorance of history continues to confound me. Imagine saying the same to Indians on Simon Commission. Did Indians accept commissions set up by British? Did they not fight it no matter what the verdict of these commissions were? Did they not fight till the end – till they got independent nation status? Telangana people will continue to do so no matter the miniscule few like you and your relatives think about it. There were many princes and babus who didn’t want India to attain freedom. They were happy with British ruling us. What happened to them? They just had to go with the tide. Of course, it is hilarious that some of them applied to the British Crown to make their kingdoms a part of Great Britain because they didn’t trust Indians; not very different from how you think.
So analogy is like this.
Telanganas are like Indians fighting the British and the miniscule few (you and your relatives) are like princes, rajahs and babus who wanted the British rule, or independent status away from India.
And anyone else who disturbs peace should get whacked.
Well, the princes asked the British to do the same to Indians – to whack every Indian who asked for Independence, and they really believed that the British will take care of these freedom fighters. In the end, the British just left India and the fate of princes to the Indians. And the princes lost their kingdoms and privy purses. ;-)
Hey Sujai,
ReplyDeleteBy the same logic you are a minority to seemaandgras and you have a problem with that and you want to fight.
But because we are miniscule you see see no position of ours,
What justification do you have to cry?
Doesnt your entire argument become dubious which I always have been calling it?
You argue the way you like. You were minority so you fought. We are miniscule so we dont have a right.
My god.
You telanganaites have a logic that can be scary.
Do you want to do a holocaust and cut necks or what?
Where is the logic?
You swing all the way to your advantage?
sera:
ReplyDeleteIt is not my prerogative to impart you with knowledge and wisdom which should have been the duty of your parents and teachers. You should start paying me very soon ;-)
[Or you can read the rest of my blog which deals with these topics and thereby not pay me]
By the same logic you are a minority to seemaandgras and you have a problem with that and you want to fight.
Status of minority can come in different forms and shapes. Women and lower castes are not minority but underrepresented and therefore seek preferential treatment. Muslims are a minority and underrepresented and therefore seek preferential treatment [after Sachar report]. Muslims, women and lower castes do not seek separate state because they are heavily interspersed with other populations. Only those groups who are confined along geographical lines have a case for separate state or district. That’s the only reasons why states were formed along linguistic lines. And if it turns out that the region you are seeking is completely surrounded by other region, you lose the case as well, as it happened to Hyderabad seeking separate nation status lying deeply inside India.
You argue the way you like. You were minority so you fought. We are miniscule so we dont have a right.
We didn’t fight because we were minority. We fought because we believed we were marginalized. And even if SKC report says we are not marginalized, we still have a case, because we are a group along geographical lines – and all states were formed without having to prove marginalization.
And not every minority is marginalized. For example, Brahmins, Parsis and Sikhs are minority but not marginalized.
And our fight has a case for status as a separate state because we are a group along geographical lines. Your community – you and your relatives – living in middle of Telangana do not. You can ask for special rights like more representation, the way Muslims can have reservations. But to avail those rights you have to first make a case that as Hyderabadis or as Kayasthas you were marginalized. ;-) And I am looking forward to that argument.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteThe answer to the current
problem lies in politics, not data. We should get that into our heads first. A nation or a state is not formed because of data or summary of that data. SKC report will be ambiguous, vague, giving too many solutions, creating more problems than what we already have. And that is the goal of the present government
You may think that the SKC report is inconsequential but the truth is when (or should I say if) the T bill is introduced in the parliament the discussion will be based on the contents of the report.
So you have only two options:
1. Realize that SKC is not a timepass committee. Contest the report if its based on incorrect information and convince the rest of the nation why you want a separate state. This is the only democratic way and the only way I see us getting through this. It may take 10 more years but this is the only way.
The other option is to go for violent protests. But how long will you do violent protests? All of this was tried in 1969 and to a certain extent last December and it didn't work. So how is this time going to be any different. You cannot achieve your goals by choosing terror as your strategy. It will not fly with the rest of the sane country.
And if you are planning to do this then don't complain about the preventive measures the government is taking by appointing strong VCs and deploying paramilitary forces. You don't trust the system and the democratic process the rest of the country believes in. So the system is justified in defending itself. And by the way, when I said government, I mean the central govt. Remember, it was the central govt that replaced the CM of the state so he can handle things better. So expect things to be very different this time around.
hyderabadi:
ReplyDeleteYou may think that the SKC report is inconsequential but the truth is when (or should I say if) the T bill is introduced in the parliament the discussion will be based on the contents of the report.
I don’t think there will be any debate. Congress will ensure it has enough support from its allies (or from opposition party like BJP) before it tables the bill. If they table it, it will pass without any debate. Just take a look at previous state formations. SKC report will go into dustbin.
So you have only two options:
I smile at both of your options. I find them vacuous without an iota of imagination taking into account how politics work in this country.
Realize that SKC is not a timepass committee. Contest the report if its based on incorrect information and convince the rest of the nation why you want a separate state.
We will not do any of it. Looks like you have not learnt from Indian politics. Convincing through facts has never worked in India. Instead we will hope that there is enough turmoil in the state because of Naidu and Jagan, and expect that Congress will try to consolidate at least one region, i.e. Telangana. With TRS support to Congress, UPA may get all the seats from Telangana, and that could be our ticket to separate Telangana.
This is the only democratic way and the only way I see us getting through this. It may take 10 more years but this is the only way.
Discarded ;-) [Read above]
The other option is to go for violent protests.
Discarded ;-) [Read above].
For a person who is feigning sympathy towards cause of Telangana, you should do a better job of providing credible options.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYour ignorance of history continues to confound me. Imagine saying the same to Indians on Simon Commission. Did Indians accept commissions set up by British?
I have very high expectations of you. You need to do better than this. If you are drawing analogies between commissions set up by British and SKC then its really stupid. SKC was not setup by SA guys. It is not even setup by the state govt. It is setup by the Central govt. So your argument does not hold as long as you are fighting for a separate state and not a separate country and the last time I checked, you guys still want to be part of India. Right?
I really don't know what you guys can do if you don't trust the center. May be you can escalate it one more level up and approach the UN.
We will not do any of it. Looks like you have not learnt from Indian politics. Convincing through facts has never worked in India. Instead we will hope that there is enough turmoil in the state because of Naidu and Jagan, and expect that Congress will try to consolidate at least one region, i.e. Telangana. With TRS support to Congress, UPA may get all the seats from Telangana, and that could be our ticket to separate Telangana.
ReplyDeleteWow Sujai, looks like you got it all figured out. Sounds like a very concrete plan.
BTW, I'm not feigning anything. Personally I don't care if the state separates or not. All I care is about my city. Right now I don't think Hyderabad has lost anything by being in the united state. In fact I would say it progressed very well in the last few years. At the same time, I think it will continue to grow even if it goes to Telangana state. So I don't have a problem either way. But I understand that the rest of the telangana region strongly wants to be separate. So if you can achieve your goals without using terror as a means I'm totally fine. I just don't want to see my city go through this mess again and again and again while other cities like Bangalore are branded as the most cosmpolitan place, the best to live and work etc etc.
So if you can achieve your goals without using terror as a means
ReplyDeleteYup, we get that a lot even though there was very minimal violence so far, some time back even our state govt. tried to brand us as naxalite movement, they even went to court to prove it (they are busted, that's another matter).
I don't think Hyderabad has lost anything by being in the united state.
Actually you people lost in few govt. jobs section. All other zones compete with in the zones for govt jobs, but HYD people has to compete with rest of the state for govt jobs. Thats is what the free zone issue going on for some time.
The arguments of geographical alignments are patently wrong. Pondicherry is a classic example.
ReplyDeleteSujai, you need to open yourself to more than your blindness to telangana. And for that I don't think you should blame your parents or teachers as you seem to be well educated ;-)
Let history take its own turn in the case of Hyderabad. Hopefully we shall all live to witness it. Hopefully if KCR grants us the right to live that is :)
@@SERA
ReplyDelete<<<There is no other city which speaks a different language (urdu and hindi) vis-a-vis its boundaries which speak telugu.
You are either an Ignorant fool are an outright lier. For example there are cities in England where Pakis are the Majority and Speak Urdu, if by your logic they claim a Special territorial Status, The BNP and Skindheads will cut off their heads may be we ought to do the same thing to your people
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What happens to us - the real Hyderabadis - 400 years old.
You got some nerve.
SERA you and your "Hindi" kind are only here because Nizam granted your people a Monopoly on Business in Hyderabad and allowed you to prosper.
But you have to realize that No one is there to Save your ASS now and Telugu people will eat in to your Kayast and Marwadi Monopoly over Business.
<<<ONE CRORE people sandwiched in your fight which you want to ignore and I think consciously.
Your khayast ,north indian and marwadi population is not even 10% and doesnot exceed 5 lakhs.
<<About your "real" hyderabadis (north indians,kaysts) and muslims joining forces against Telenganites.
Thats never gonna happen because of Your Xenophobic North Indian attitude towards Muslims. Muslims hate your guts , even Jamat Islamia is with us, most of RSS people in Hyd are North Indians ( If u have doubt go to North Indian dominated places like Begumbazar during Ganesh cathurthy they openly chanted anti-muslim slogans) Your Khayast, Biharis and UP people are responsible for most of the communal riots against Muslims.
Atleast Seemandhrites have politcal power to Defend themselves all you "fake" hyderabadi khayasts and marwadis have is Money power, thats not gonna cover your asses,when you Ridicule local Telugus.
May be we should have retaliated when Telugu labourers were attacked by your goons in Maharashtra or like Tamils we should have Kicked out your "Hindi" asses.
More muslims can understand and talk in "telugu" than your "Hindi" Hyderabadis most of whom live in their own Communal ghettos.
I love a Vibrant and Cosmopolitan Culture in Hyderabad, but when some Rich privileged minority "outsiders" call themselves Real hyderabadis and the locals as Fake hyderabadis blinded by arrogance and power. I think its the time to either Kick you out or Deflate your Hyperinflated arrogance and ego.
My god Aditya@@@
ReplyDeleteNow I am frightened :) :) :)
Hope my good friend Sujai protects me. Or will he also join you in saying that we "hindi speaking kind" came only 400 years ago before which you were all one Telugu speaking kind and now you want separation and the last 400 years don't matter.
The absurdity is dumb-founding.
At one end you want to say there is nothing in common because of the 400 years of separation between Telugus only.
At the other end you want to kick the asses of the "Hindi speaking kind" who are there for 400 years.
So what is it at the end?
Are you fighting for a separate nation or what?
@@ Sera
ReplyDelete<<<The absurdity is dumb-founding.
I felt the same way when one of my new Classmate asked me why Radio City in Hyderabad is not in Hindi.
And Aditya@@@
ReplyDeleteThink of it more politely and tolerantly like this.
We "the hindi kind" are like children of a marriage. Now the parents are bitterly fighting and want a divorce. What's wrong in us asking out.
We are grown up enough to live our lives. In the first case it is unfortunate that you are fighting. You may have your reasons which you think the kids don't understand.
But let the kid live on his own and isn't it unfair for any one the parents to muck up their lives.
The kid here is Hyderabad. Each has their own reasons for wanting to own it. Both want their own freedoms (jai andhra for example) but when it comes to the kids freedom they have double standards.
Let history take its own turn after SKC. Lets see.
And boy we dont ridicule Telugus. Dont put words into our mouth. We actually are and were happy. We are now just amazed and dissapointed that they are now so bitterly fighting.
We thought it was a happy family. But doesn't everyone think that before a divorce?
@@@ Aditya said: I felt the same way when one of my new Classmate asked me why Radio City in Hyderabad is not in Hindi. @@@@@@@@@
ReplyDeleteLet there be a marathi station, a tamil one or even a german one.
You may also find it absurd that there is a large marathi population in telangana. So? You dont want them to live or do you want to tell them that you "granted permission" like you are telling us.
Your radicalness cannot be apologised. It needs to be dealt with. Hope your attitude changes and enlightenment dawns on you before that becomes necessary.
History will decide the fate of Hyderbad like history decided for pondicherry.
@@ Sera
ReplyDelete<<<The absurdity is dumb-founding.
I felt the same way when one of my new "North-Indian" Classmate asked me why Radio City in Hyderabad is not in Hindi.
<<Now I am frightened :) :) :)
You should be afraid for your callous Attitude, any smart person will be.Iam frightened too for your "people" By your display of Arrogance and Insensitivity.
<<<"Hindi speaking kind" who are there for 400 years.
So what is it at the end?
Are you fighting for a separate nation or what?
Thats your problem to fail to Integrate, unlike you,I dont call fellow Hyderabadi Real or Fake based on their ethnicity or language.
Hyderabad was founded on 1591 i dont think you Came as soon as it got founded. So dont moan about your 400 years it will be more like below 200. Telugu people were hear for more than 1000 years.
I think you were the one talking like a "Razakar" about seperate Hyderabad. All we want is a seperate Telengana State , we will acheive it whether your people like it or NOt. Just because it makes your 5 lakh "Hindi" cousins uncomfortable doesnt mean the Aspirations of 4 crore Telenganites should be denied.
Hey Aditya@@@@@@@@
ReplyDeleteThe problem is you seem to want to see our "hindi kind" isolatedly.
We are not "hindi kind". We are the camp that wants a separate Hyderabad state or UT status like Pondicherry.
And in that there are telugus who agree (I personally know of telugu people from even telangana who want Hyderabad UT status or separate state status - of course you call them TG traitors). Of course that the seema-andhra telugus and the Muslims in Hyderabad want the same is common knowledge. We are just strengthening their hands along with a lot of other non-hindi and non-telugu speaking people.
So that's the voice of the majority in hyderabad - a status like Pondicherry.
Pity you still think India is a democracy. It's not. India is as much a failed state as Pakistan is.
ReplyDelete@@SERA
ReplyDeleteYou were like " Leave us Real Hyderabadis alone ,You Fake Hyderabdi Telugu Andhras and Telenganites fight it out".
You were talking like we are Outsiders in our own land, thats a very dangerous attitude for your own people.( a culturally,ethnically,linguistically distinct group).
Your people feel like "Hyderabad" is some piece of North India and not AP. And you dont even care to learn few words of Telugu( muslims and telenganites mostly can speak and understand each others languages).
<<<Your radicalness cannot be apologised. It needs to be dealt with. Hope your attitude changes and enlightenment dawns on you before that becomes necessary.
Think you are the one who needs to apologise.
As I said Before I think Hyderabads Society is enriched by the Diverse People and Culture, an I dont feel threatened or uneasy with cultures other than my own unlike you.
But what enrages me is that You and yours people Disrespect and Disregard for Telugu people and their culture, and the relegious Intolerance and Hindu extremism shown by your "hindi" people( Something they carried from their home land) towards muslims.
When you say you are a "Hyderabadi" you become a "Telenganite" too and you must be a Part of the Solution rather than showing "escapism".
I never said anything bad about Telugus.
ReplyDeleteAditya - you are trying to put words in my mouth. When I say real Hyderabadi I mean everyone in Hyderabad. Not the "hindi kind" like you say.
I know of telanganites in Hyderabad (of course you may call them traitors) and telugus and muslims and other non-hindi speaking group which want Hyderabad as a UT like Pondicherry.
Looks like you want to marginalise this opinion.
@Anonymous
ReplyDelete<<Pity you still think India is a democracy. It's not. India is as much a failed state as Pakistan is.
A Democracy but a deeply Flawed Democracy. Even though some people like you are Cheerleading Indian "democracy", Freedom of expression doesnt counts as Shit when Half your people cant read and write(when people criticize Chinese lack of freedom) .
Even Pakistan has less Hunger than India, which has more hunger(malnutritioned children) than whole of Africa.
We have to Improve our flaws ind Democracy rather than thumping our chests.
@@Sara
ReplyDeleteSo please explain this miss Hypocrite
<<<<
Hey you people think that status of Hyderabad is a fight between Telangana guys and seemandhra guys. What nonsense.
What happens to us - the real Hyderabadis - 400 years old.
None of you telangana guys or seemandhra guys are hyderabadis.
This is testing patience.
Yup Aditya@@@
ReplyDeleteI did say that. Of course you seem to be fighting as if there is no one else in Hyderabad other than you telanganites and seema-andhras.
And you fight like HOW?
Not even one word is spoken about the aspirations of Hyderabadis. When I say true hyderabadis I mean to say everyone living in Hyderabad.
Isn't it amazing to see someone in cuddapah and someone in warangal fight with each other over Hyderabad while no one wants to take the opinion of Hyderabadis.
So Mr. Hypocrite. What do you have to say to that?
Or like you said - if you are a hyderabadi you are a telanganite. Who are you to tell us that. We are hyderabadis - part of AP. Maybe tomorrow part of telangana. But is our voice worthless.
And is it wrong to ask for a UT status for Hyderabad like pondicherry which many telanganites and seema-andhras in Hyderabad want in any case. Or do you want to silence us.
Its ok for you to speak. It is not ok for us. Is that it?
Let me state it for record "a true hyderabadi is one who resides in hyderabad". A warangal guy is not a hyderabadi. A vijayawada guy is not a hyderabadi.
And we are here for centuries like marathis are in some areas of telangana. You speak as if you need to grant us permission. We never had that issue in united AP. We see that now. We have every right for our opinion and we did present to the SKC.
Lets see what happens. Let Hyderabad have a status like Pondicherry. Everyone can be part of it. We are not divisive. We are inclusive.
And Aditya@@@@
ReplyDeleteThe nerve you have when you say that we didnt integrate and then you take it further and say "that is your problem".
While in the same language you fight with the seema-andhra guys when they say you didnt develop. Not that I agree with them.
But I wanted to point out your hypocrisy. And let me tell you we have integrated enough and most people speak telugu. If you cant agree I leave it there.
When I watch these telugu channels I am amazed that a student in Warangal and a student in Anantapur have a debate on the status of Hyderabad while no one asks us. By what stretch of imagination do people living in warangal, nizambad, vijayawada, cuddapah think they can have a dialogue without we hyderabadis.
And I know for a fact that majority of hyderabadis including telugus (telanganites and seema-andhras) want Hyderabad as a UT like pondicherry.
@ Sera
ReplyDeleteYour arguments are SO hollow and you accepted that you are lying,
So I rest my case. But let me respond for the last time.
One more lie
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it wrong to ask for a UT status for Hyderabad like pondicherry which many telanganites and seema-andhras in Hyderabad want in any case. Or do you want to silence us.
How did you come to that conclusion, can you present any proof from a survey or an opinion poll. Based on some Rudimentary SMS polls on TV i can say that more than 95% Telenganites are opposed to the idea of makin Hyd a UT.
<< As SWho are you to tell us that. We are hyderabadis - part of AP. Maybe tomorrow part of telangana. But is our voice worthless.
As Sujai Said Opinions are like arseholes and you are entitled to have one. But when you start saying things like Telugus are Fake Hyderabadis we have to RIP YOUR TONGUE OUT.
<<<
Let me state it for record "a true hyderabadi is one who resides in hyderabad". A warangal guy is not a hyderabadi. A vijayawada guy is not a hyderabadi.
May be that your Stupid attempt at makin a definintion for a Hyderabadi.
<<<Isn't it amazing to see someone in cuddapah and someone in warangal fight with each other over Hyderabad while no one wants to take the opinion of Hyderabadis.
Its Disturbing that you feel that way, A guy in warangal has a Huge stake in the future of Hyd. Hyd was constructed by nizam of the money fleeced by imposing 25% tax on the warangal guys fathers and fore fathers. So he has much more Stake and right than a "north-indian" guy whos forefathers migrated from 3000KM away to reap the benefits of a ready made city.
Even a guy from Cuddupah or Krishna has some stake because 250 years ago his gran fathers payed taxes to build hyd, Though During the Past 50 years there was a flow of 10K cr average to Seemandhra from Hyds revenue.
<<<ns. Let Hyderabad have a status like Pondicherry. Everyone can be part of it. We are not divisive. We are inclusive.
You are Self centred witch, nothing will happen to you but it TG people will suffer most. I have an Idea too why dont we kick you and your Hindi people away. Lets see what happens.
@@@Aditya
ReplyDeleteSo you will rip tongues by putting words into people's mouth which they didn't. When I say true Hyderabadi I mean everyone in Hyderabad - past and present. "Fake Hyderabadi" is a term you coined and put in my mouth.
And SMS polls when taken from the entire state say majority wants a united AP. Lets stick to that then.
Within Hyderabad majority want a UT status. Of course you may want a survey which is not there. The SKC may state it but looks like in any case you want to be stone deaf to that.
And about SMS polls from only telangana region is what you say. Fine. Who disagrees? And anyway what validity is there to them. But what about the other two - united AP or a Hyderabad UT.
Your stupid definition is "telanganite means hyderabadi and vice versa". You are entitled to your opinions like you said. And I to mine.
We think the present CM is a true hyderabadi. Anything wrong with that? But you don't. How dubious? And hypocritical?
And so a guy in warangal has a huge stake and even a guy in vijaywada has a stake in Hyderabad but a guy in Hyderabad does not? Is that so? I love this logic. Everyone should. Its very educative in its duplicity.
And you want to kick people out. My seema-andhra friends always tell me that. You just confirmed that. Now I know what they say can be true. You will kick us out, kick the seema-andhra guys out and even the muslims out.
What a grand vision you have for this city Aditya. All the best.
Meanwhile we will have our vision and work towards its fulfillment. Lets end the debate now.
The deafness on your part is unbearable and this language of ripping tongues, kicking-out makes me nauseous.
sera:
ReplyDeleteSujai, you need to open yourself to more than your blindness to telangana. And for that I don't think you should blame your parents or teachers as you seem to be well educated ;-)
You are getting an opportunity to learn new things. You should welcome it and gladly learn new things. Now, for the first time, after living in Telangana for nearly 400 years, you are getting acquainted with local politics, take time to learn its history, its culture, and try to understand the regional politics. It will do good to you and your miniscule relatives who seem to completely cutoff the very region where you lived and thrived.
The kid here is Hyderabad.
ReplyDeleteNope you are not our children, you are just a tenent in our home. You dont want to take advantage of our Husband/Wife fights and grab the place which you are renting currently from us. If you want to take advantage, I am sure we will kick you out(as long as you say you migrated from other part of the India, you have no right to claim our lands).
I know of telanganites in Hyderabad (of course you may call them traitors) and telugus and muslims and other non-hindi speaking group which want Hyderabad as a UT like Pondicherry.
ReplyDeleteWe dont know any one of telanganites in HYD who wants HYD as UT, so we dont believe any one in HYD want HYD as UT. By making HYD UT, all local MLAs will loose there posts forever, who want's that? Does MIM ready to loost there posts forever?
We have no such intentions Green Star. We just want to take the side of the majority of the populations voice in hyderabad - be they telanganite telugus or seema-andhra telugus or muslims or non-telugu speaking people.
ReplyDeleteAnd we see that voice to be in favour of Hyderabad as UT or separate state. You may not want to acknowledge it. That's fine. Obviously when I say majority we mean that there will be minority who do not agree.
Like for example I have seema-andhra friends who dont agree for Hyderabad as UT and firmly want a united state.
And yeah sujai learning new things is nice and nice that you are also learning that we exist.
someone in warangal fight with each other over Hyderabad while no one wants to take the opinion of Hyderabadis.
ReplyDeleteThere is no fight, Seemandras want HYD for themselves or make it UT, Telanganites want the pre-merged Telangana restored. We dont have saperate fights for Hyderabad, Nagarjuna Sagar, Karimnagar etc. The only one I know asked to make HYD as UT, that is Danam, after knowing that he loose his power in UT , then he backed out from the demand.
Let Hyderabad have a status like Pondicherry.
ReplyDeleteYou keep saying the work Pondicherry, what do you know about it other than it is UT? Do you know why few places in our country made as UT?
You still didn't answered my previous question, which HYD are you asking, 1947? or 1956? or 2010? Currently I am in Medak Dist, but my place is in Greater HYD area? so where did I belong to?
And I know for a fact that majority of hyderabadis including telugus (telanganites and seema-andhras) want Hyderabad as a UT like pondicherry.
ReplyDeleteI dont believe that, there are many pro Telangana events happened in HYD but so far not even a single event for HYD as UT.
And SMS polls when taken from the entire state say majority wants a united AP.
ReplyDeleteWe are asking about SMS polls in HYD, not in entair AP. If we had such kind of polls then there will be no pakistan, bangladesh, or even Andhra Pradesh or Andhra state.
My seema-andhra friends always tell me that
ReplyDeleteNow the truth came out, he is a seemanra agent, so there is no surprise about his arguments. He is a seemandra@ chicken disguised as Hyderabadi.
I am ignoring him, he is not worth to debate.
Green Star@@@
ReplyDeleteHow many debates have we not seen of the dispute. True what you said about danam and his back tracking.
We shall have to see how things progress after the SKC.
And if you dont know of any telanganite in Hyd who wants Hyd to be UT does not mean there are not.
And yeah we are not tenants as much as you are not owners. That talk is what brought the problem in the first place. So what you want to say anyone in Hyderabad who is 1. not telugu speaking and 2. telugu speaking but from seema-andhra are all tenants and they should be kicked out.
You seem to have worked that out. If you could tell us how you will kick us that will be polite on your part.
Wonderful - so now I am seema-andhra agent.
ReplyDeleteSomeone is a traitor.
No committees have any sense.
This is the last resort used by jingoist violence lovers.
Reminds me of the language that was practiced in the great run-up and rule of the greats like Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc.
Why dont you say it plainly green star that you hate democracy and all you want is to dominate and kick-out people that you dont like for their language (thats also not right as you want to kick out telugus too), ethnicity (that also aint right as there some traitors within telangana), etc etc.
So what you want is YOUR RULE.
sera:
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how to respond to your incessant and petulant demands for a Union Territory status similar to Pondicherry. I think it’s time you do your own home work.
1. Why were French and Portuguese colonies in India made into Union Territories? Why weren’t cities like Bombay, Madras and Calcutta were not made Union Territories?
2. What is the difference between a Union Territory and a State in India? Why do many Union Territories eventually seek statehood?
3. To have an independent status like Pondicherry or Gambia, why do we need to have a border other than one single region, like a sea or another state? Does Hyderabad qualify to this condition? [Before you come to a conclusion, please study Swaziland and Lesotho and understand why they are unique]
Your attitude on this topic reeks of arrogance based in ignorance and elitism. Most city dwellers in the world carry a low opinion of the people living outside the city. They call them dehaati, ghaati, country bumpkin, etc, but you push this arrogance to a completely different level, wherein you are now promoting cities to be weaned away from the very region on which they thrived and subsisted.
Most city dwellers do not pay attention to regional politics and usually are apathetic towards the lives outside the city, preoccupied with their busy and cosmopolitan life. Usually such apathy does not affect the region or its politics. But when it does affect, it becomes important for the city dwellers to understand few basic facts. That a city has become cosmopolitan in the first place because of hospitality of the people of that region and that they owe their development to that region. Hyderabad has become cosmopolitan and invited people like you because of very attitudes of Telangana people. Today Bangalore is cosmopolitan because of hospitality and tolerant nature of local Kannadigas.
You have lived in Telangana for 400 years (as you claim), and you have never realized that you lived in Telangana. That’s rather unfortunate, isn’t it? You lived in Telangana for 400 years amidst Telanganas, but you ‘don’t trust Telanganas’ anymore? Why is that? What changed in the recent past by which you don’t trust the very people who allowed you to live and thrive allowing you to maintain your identity without imposing themselves onto you?
I understand that North Indians look down upon South Indians, but you take this prejudice to a new level, demanding cities for yourselves just because you were allowed to come down and settle here. Imagine the future of cities in India if all settlers and migrants start demanding Union Territory status weaning the cities away from the regions. Why would any region develop cities then? Why would any region allow migration into their cities then?
Why did you not protest and become a separate city when you were part of Nizam? You were part of Telangana then. Why did you not protest and become a separate city when you were part of Andhra Pradesh? You were part of Telangana then. Why did you suddenly change your mind now, that you could say, ‘you don’t trust Telanganites’? Did Telanganas discriminate you all of a sudden in the last few years? Did Telanganas marginalize you all of a sudden in the last few years?
These are serious questions you should ask yourself instead of spending time on this blog unnecessarily wasting our time with your ostentatious display of arrogance mired in ignorance.
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ReplyDeleteUnited Andhra JAC officially declared that they are not going to honer SKC if they declared favor to Telangana, so we dont too need to care for SKC, (we are already doing that any way)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-24-12-2010/story.asp?qry1=8&reccount=29
sera:
ReplyDeleteThere was no animosity between Telangana people and other migrants (non-seemandhra) so far. And many Telanganas are quite OK to even have Seemandhra people continue to live in Telangana as before. The animosity towards Seemandhras has come up only when they started opposing formation of Telangana or were trying to rob the only prized possession of Telangana (that is Hyderabad).
Such animosity is not unreasonable. When many princes of India tried to attain separate nationhood, the local people reacted violently against their own kings and ensured that kingdoms became part of India. Now, you are the princes of India who do not want to remain with India or Pakistan but want to create new pocket nations deeply embedded inside other countries territories.
Many communities who have lived long in Hyderabad have given their approval for separate Telangana. Many Marathis living here have joined the Telangana cause. Till recently, no Telangana person expressed disapproval of other settlers (non-seemandhra).
But look at your statements below:
…lies built by the TG agitators.
…this is what is anti-national.
…It is you who want autocracy or even anarchy…The TG agitators want autocracy.
TG agitation is built on a foundation of lies…
None of you telangana guys or seemandhra guys are hyderabadis.
…while we true Hyderabadis are marginalized.
Hyderabad has no relation to telangana…
While we Hyderabadis share nothing with them…
They have nothing to do with Hyderabadis except exploiting them...
We can't imagine a life with telanganites…
One wants to keep as a slave – telanganites…
Hyderabad is not like any other city in the world…
We dont trust you telanganites.
The list goes on. You have a low opinion of Telangana people. You have not used your 400 years to assimilate, learn the local culture or language. You have kept yourself in isolation, in your silos, never mixing with the local people, keeping a superiority complex of your North Indian origins. And now you want to use that isolation as a reason for weaning a city that belongs to Telangana people away from Telangana.
The princes who opposed union of their kingdoms into India were later seen as traitors and had to live with that ignominy for a long time. The choice is yours. As Khayastas do you want to create animosity with the very people in whose cities you lived the last 400 years?
BTW, you should ask yourself this question hard: Why do you think you ‘cannot imagine a life with telanganites’ when in fact you could live amongst them for 400 years?
sera:
ReplyDeleteAnd SMS polls when taken from the entire state say majority wants a united AP. Lets stick to that then.
Do you really expect yourself to be taken seriously with such statements?
The fact is that not even a Single drop of Andhra blood is spilled even at the Height of the Current Telengana agitation, even though Settlers openly supported Crackdown on Telenganites and Andhra Police Personnell were used to Crack open the skulls of T Students. They comitted suicide but didnt Harm any Settlers.
ReplyDeleteBut many Telenganites are Frustrated and loosing their patience so "settlers" should be careful with their words and actions.
sera:
ReplyDeleteYou will kick us out, kick the seema-andhra guys out and even the muslims out.
You are going overboard with your rant. You need to learn history a bit. You need to read a bit. All that writing and only utter nonsense comes out! What use it is if you don’t make any sense?
Hyderabad State became a part of Indian Union in 1948. It remained so for the next 8 years, till 1956. And in those 8 years, Telangana Muslims were not kicked out of Telangana, though Telangana Hindus had every chance to do so, being an overwhelming majority, freshly coming out of Razakar Movement. Yes, they had riots, yes they had conflicts. Both the sides had their own set of problems. But in the end many Telangana Muslims continue to live in various parts of Telangana, maintaining their identity. Now, the same Telangana Muslims join hands with Telangana Hindus to fight for a separate Telangana.
In the last fifty years, though Telangana fought for a separate state, sometimes vociferously in violent agitations, Seemandhras have continued to live amongst Telangana towns and villages. It is ironic that not many Telanganas were ever accepted in Seemandhra, and many of the Telangana people who have migrated to Seemandhra regions have eventually come back. The fact that you were accepted in Hyderabad for the last four hundred years though you refused to assimilate speaks high of tolerance of Telangana culture which you deride and ridicule now.
What if they decide to join Hyderabad abd nalgonda and create a UT.
ReplyDeletePOK:
ReplyDeleteWhat if they decide to join Hyderabad abd nalgonda and create a UT.
That's a good idea. But sera is not happy with any Telanganites, doesn't trust them, cannot imagine living with them. Sera thinks Telanganas are liars.
So what do we do? Should all Nalgondas suddenly say, 'we are not telangana people.'
Will sera now change the definition of what 'true hyderabadi' is and embrace the same uncouth telangana speaking Nalgonda person?
Oh, POK, you should have suggested this at the beginning of the discussion. Now, it is too late. sera has already committed - doesn't want anything to do with anyone from Telangana. sera 'cannot imagine living' with Nalgonda person.
Good try. But sorry.
It is North Indian Hindu extremists who are Implicated in the Bombing of Hyderabads Jama Masjid, which resulted in communal riots and the local "Hindi" speaking community in Hyd is known for its Intolerance and hate whipping towards muslims.
ReplyDeleteSujai@@@
ReplyDeleteYou call me arrogant:
That's really surprising. On what grounds. What elitism have I shown here? Anyone who disagrees or has a viewpoint that has some merit will be called arrogant. What line of thinking is that?
You talk of north indians looking down upon south indians.
This is totally weird and no such thing exists. You want to create that I can't help that.
You know we could go on with things like these are all primordial or tribal instincts and you are arrogant elitist etc. Say what you want.
Union territories or broadly special statuses are formed when two parties cannot agree on few issues. Take Quebec for example within Canada. There has to be some kind of a special status for Hyderabad to protect the interests of everyone living in the city.
And on the point why NOW? I never said telanganites are not hospitable or anything at all. But how does one live in a divided house where one party is telling the other party to get-out etc. Till now from centuries we had no major issues.
In fact a few of those left in the older age felt bad that the Hyderabad state was cut-up and some parts went to maharashtra and some to karnataka. They tell me. It happens I know. Its fine. And during the Nizam time there was no democracy so there is no comparison.
But now for 50 odd years things are peaceful and there is a democracy. Everyone has representatives from their regions and still they complain. I find that outrightly ridiculous to say the least.
Sujai, there is nothing in the constitution that says something like a state cannot be formed within the borders of one more state. It may be the first time. So what. Actually it is not. Pondicherry is an example. Actually more surprisingly Pondicherry is a state with four non-contiguous enclaves. So much for your theory of geographical alignment.
You may say Pondicherry was because of french amd history eyc. Thats fine. Another hundred years from now in 2110 people will study that because of the telangana agitation Hyderabad had to become a separate state/UT whatever.
History will take its own shape. You have your arguments. We have ours. We represented to the SKC.
Exceeded the character limit:) Posting the next set.
And let me make this clear - the day the old Hyderabad state was split, then ended our identification. We now only identify with the city. And let me tell you that (painfully) that after the split of the old Hyderabad state telugus have ridiculed us. Of course you may also say the same in a mirror like view. But those are isolated individual experiences which don't count in the large scheme of things, Overall it is fine.
ReplyDeleteAnd on your thing that no one will develop cities - that is a sham and just a posturing. Cities develop on there own evolutionarilly. Hyderabad is not same as other cities. It is disputed. Others were not. Of course I hear the Bombay example. Maybe that will be true and Hyderabad will be part of telangana. Maybe not. Time will say.
But there is a case for Hyderabad like Pondicherry - a state within three states and which is in four non-contiguous enclaves/regions. And in fact in Tamil Nadu they plan to expand that territory by including areas beside it. Maybe that can also be done with Hyderabad and actually even give it borderline with some other state.
Sujai you seem to think that you know a lot which you do. But I suspect you think that all others are nitwits. Theres no need to compare it with Swaziland and Lesotho etc like for example comparing the TG agitation with the Indian national movement, the Bolshevik revolution and all. It neither has the depth, scale or even legitimacy morally vis-à-vis those agitations. It is a desire which I guess needs to be respected and which eventually may show in the democratic process of voting itself. One day it could happen more for political compulsions which is the right way of it happening. We are one country and an arrangement like Pondicherry is fully possible. You seem to forget that we live under one constitution.
And just as an addendum personally I have relatives who work in the APPSC and also relatives who have married telugus from all the three regions but most essentially are Hyderabadis.
@@@Sera
ReplyDelete<<<<. Actually more surprisingly Pondicherry is a state with four non-contiguous enclaves. So much for your theory of geographical alignment.
Indians were not involved at any Stage and had no say with the formation of Pondicherry, French made Deals with British to carve up enclaves to their liking.
If it is your wish to be viewed upon like French a opressive "colonial power" By Telengana people then you can go on with your pondicherry theory..
Take Quebec for example within Canada.
ReplyDeleteWhats with Quebec? In USA and Canada almost all states has there own set of rules, thats why USA is called as United States of America. In there countries states has more power than federal (not like in India), by the way Quebec is a big state(province), not a simple city. Completely bullshit example to take Quebec for your example.
Cities develop on there own evolutionarilly. Hyderabad is not same as other cities. It is disputed.
ReplyDeleteIf HYD became UT because migrated people demanded, then in other cities in India like Vijayawada, Karimnagar, Vizag, Chennai, Banglore, Madras, Mumbai etc all migrated people will be kicked out by locals, because they fear they may face the same fate like HYD.
We are one country and an arrangement like Pondicherry is fully possible.
It is not at all possible as long as major political players in HYD(MIM, BJP, Congress, TDP etc) are against to that idea.
I was only speaking of a special status.
ReplyDeleteEven in India there are special statuses to states and regions.
What I was saying that some kind of special status needs to be considered for Hyderabad. Not necessarily UT or a separate state status. Maybe the parliamentarians are smart enough to think of something else. Maybe let it be part of the Delhi state.
Like Pondicherry state has four provinces in three states which are unconnected geographically. The Delhi state will have two - one in north india and one in south india. Good for national integration too.
Last year my village became part of Greater HYD, so now I am a Hyderabadi, I and many of my friends and family wish to be part of Telangan and do not want to became part of any UT.
ReplyDeleteMy analysis is that central govt will not declare Telengana Outright regardless of SKC report, it wants the agitation to flare UP and then it will declare "Presidential rule" and use it as a opportunity to Restore order within congress ranks and Counter Jagan.
ReplyDeleteJagan Secretly wants the Central to declare Telengana, so that He can claim congress Betrayed Seemandhra and consolidate his gains there.
Central troops have reached to their Destinations, these are paramilitaries with Poor Training in crowd control, so i expect lot of Telenganites getting Shot.
KCR doesnt want the agitation to Prolong in to 2014 but he is planning to intensify it.
What I was saying that some kind of special status needs to be considered for Hyderabad.
ReplyDeleteFor what? Do you have any case why you need that? Why do you think you have people's support for that, it is your duty to prove you have peoples support, then it is Govt. duty to start working on it. As long has you dont prove the peoples support, you are not going any where with your proposal. Just like how JP roaming around with his idea of three tire governess and neither govt nor people want to listen to it.
@Sera@Pondicherry
ReplyDeleteThink you lack the mental capacity to understand my comment.
Indians were not involved at any Stage and had no say in the formation of Pondicherry, French made Deals with British to carve up enclaves to their liking.
If it is your wish to be viewed upon like French a opressive "colonial power" By Telengana people then you can go on with your pondicherry theory.
What you are proposing for Hyderabad is Called
"JERRY MANDERING" , territories have to be formed "organically" not because of a xenophobic migrant group like yours that is not even 5% population of the region is opposed to formation of a State due to Unfounded reasons.
@ aditya ,sujai
ReplyDeleteJust like you guys dont accept the argument that andhras have a stake in hyd by the virtue of the taxes paid , Hyderabadies also need not accept that TG people have a stake in hyd by the virtue of taxes paid.
Just like TG decided to break off from AP , Hyd also has right to break from TG.
>>.Just like TG decided to break off from AP , Hyd also has right to break from TG.
ReplyDeleteThats correct. But the problem is TG is conducting massive agitations in TG areas including HYD for there demands. On other hand there is not even a single agitation for HYD.
Atleast there are few other strong demands like Uttarandra or Greater Seema etc. But no separate HYD demand so far.
@ kalpana
ReplyDeleteRight now telangana region is complete lawlessness . Once order is restored hyderabadies will raise their voices in public
@@Nameless
ReplyDeleteKnow the facts before you make baseless claims.
<<Just like you guys dont accept the argument that andhras have a stake in hyd by the virtue of the taxes paid , Hyderabadies also need not accept that TG people have a stake in hyd by the virtue of taxes paid.
The flow of Revenue collected from taxes from the Past 50 years has been from Hyderabad to Seemandhra but not from Seemandhra to Hyderabad. Hyderabad generates a Revenue of some 37000 cr each year from taxes from that some 18000 crore goes to Seemandhra and only 5000 crore gets Spent on Hyderabad.
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So your claim of Having stake in Hyd by the virtue of paying taxes is ABSURD.
@ Aditya
ReplyDelete"The flow of Revenue collected from taxes from the Past 50 years has been from Hyderabad to Seemandhra but not from Seemandhra to Hyderabad. "
Is there any data to prove this ? Or is it lesson no 1 taught in Prof jayashankar's telangana history course.
Right now telangana region is complete lawlessness . Once order is restored hyderabadies will raise their voices in public
ReplyDeleteఆడలేక మద్దెల దరువు అన్నట్లుంది ....
Kalpana and Nameless@@@
ReplyDeleteHyderabad should be separated or should get a special status like Pondicherry. Read my above posts.
I am what aditya called the "hindi kind" in Hyderabad.
What we identify with is the old Hyderabad state. The day it split and then when we saw no one protested we were hurt. We then identified only with the city of Hyderabad.
And then when the state was merged we were not taken into account.
Hyderabad can actually become part of a state of Delhi and it can be called the state of Delhi-Hyderabad. Pondicherry is in four places and they are all in three different states. So don't think it is not possible.
Kalpana everyone is waiting for the SKC so that their voices can be made. And everyone is afraid. Sujai may say that is unjustified and that is our problem or more sophisticatedly that the outlet will be such when aspirations of people will not be met.
Lets all wait for SKC. Of course if it gives and says there has been discrimination I think there is no choice and things do need to be corrected. But if not then we should not relent.
@aditya
ReplyDeleteout of the 37000 crores, can u please give the break up of the following 4 categories:
1)settlers,
2) telanganaites from remaining 9 districts,
3 old city muslims and other original inhabitats of hyd and 4)people from other statesa
>>Is there any data to prove this ? Or is it lesson no 1 taught in Prof jayashankar's telangana history course.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.andhrajyothy.com/editshow.asp?qry=/2008/feb/12edit3
@nameless
ReplyDeleteSorry i didnt read this.
<< Hyderabadies also need not accept that TG people have a stake in hyd by the virtue of taxes paid.
Telenganites are not claiming their right to Telengana by the virtue of taxes. If Hyderabadis can make such argument, every city in India that Generates Surpulus Revenue can make that claim , (including Delhi,Mumabai,Chennai) then all the Cities in India will have to become UT's.
Telenganites Claim to Hyderabad is their Birth right, It was their capital "continuesly" for the Past 400 Years, it was built of Sweat and Blood of Telenganites, Unlike your "settler" Hyderabadis, many Hyderabadi Muslims identify themselves as Telenganites( comment made by Karim is live proof). So the Hyderabadis who identify themselves as Telenganites makes up to 80% of the whole Hyderabads population.
Only the remaining "20%" andhra settler and North Indians to some extent ,have doubts, But the Trouble is that the 20% is the most politically and economically preveliged section.
Aditya@@@@@@@@@@ says
ReplyDeleteThe flow of Revenue collected from taxes from the Past 50 years has been from Hyderabad to Seemandhra but not from Seemandhra to Hyderabad. Hyderabad generates a Revenue of some 37000 cr each year from taxes from that some 18000 crore goes to Seemandhra and only 5000 crore gets Spent on Hyderabad.
Just some simple math.
Hyderabad generates 37000 crores.
Remove the Rs. 5000 crores that goes to Hyderabad.
So we are left with 32,000 crores.
Which means telangana gets 14,000 crores. Which is 43.5% of the whole. And there population is 42% is what they claim which itself I aint sure whether thats right. But even if it is where is the injustice.
And the 18,000 that aeemaandhra gets is 66.5 while their population by TG agitators estimates is 68%.
They want the 37,000 crores all to themselves. How wonderful.
Now you see the lies. Isn't it so clear. Hyderabad needs to be separate. What they are afraid is SKC will give a report that will put the lies to rest.
>.out of the 37000 crores, can u please give the break up of the following 4 categories:
ReplyDeleteIf you move to Mumbai for your business needs and pay tax there, you can not claim that Andhra@ are contributing in the Maharastra tax money, you need to remember that first of all you moved there for your business needs but not to develop Maharastra.
If Microsoft built a campus in Basara, I would say Microsoft is helping to develop Basara, because the is n't much development in Basara right now, if they built a campus in HYD.... Because HYD is already well developed, Microsot can not claim the entire HYD development.
Seemandra@ moved to HYD because it is well developed at that time. Same time many of seemandra@ moved to Banglore and Channai. Now start counting your tax contribution in Banglore and Channai too.
Green Star@@@@
ReplyDeleteThe merger was approved by the assembly. It was not forced by anyone. You want to conveniently forget that or put words like conspiracy to it.
If the agreement was not followed all the representatives should have taken it up. Blaming representatives cuts no ice. That is the plight of politicians across the country. Everywhere from North to south to east to west there are people who say there politicians dont work for them.
The math I put out earlier is clear from Aditya's own facts.
Let the SKC and lets see how much is lies and how much is truth.
@ Kalpana
ReplyDeleteThe link talks only about 2006-07 data . Aditya was refering to 50 years data . Do you guys have any such data ?
The author says that telangana intellectuals decided that funds are being diverted to andhra and thats it that became gospel truth
@@Sera
ReplyDelete<<<I am what aditya called the "hindi kind" in Hyderabad.
I made that comment in response to your comment implying that Telugu Hyderabadis are not "Real Hyderabadis".
And I totally stand by with my comment.
I think Your North-Indian people and Culture Carry a Strains of Relegious Intolerance, that Should not be allowed to seep in to the Hyderabadi culture , which consists of 50% muslims.
I think relegious Intolerant people or communites should be Kicked out of Hyderabad, Your people were responsible for Bombing Jama Masjid and Creating communal tension with your relegios extremism.
A small typo error.
ReplyDeleteIt is math put out by praveen.
Thanks praveen.
@green start
ReplyDeleteabsoloutely correct you are
but, money flowing into central govt taxes from, say mumbai becomes the sole property of ministry of finance govt of India and it can be spent anywhere from kahmir to kanyakumari.
in the same way minstry of finance govt of a.p can spend it anywhere.
you guys wanna seperate t from ap.
ok fine.but im sure theres someone named "arbitirator" while sperating states.now what should be the money which govt of ap is right now getting from hyd and which it would have lost had it agreed for speration of state.surely somesort of adjustment has to made.
telugulo cheppalante "vaatalu panchukovadam"
Aditya@@@@
ReplyDeleteYou calling us intolerant is a joke. Your intolerance is evident everywhere.
We are not religious fanatics or anything like that. I dont know whether you like RSS/BJP we don't.
The merger was approved by the assembly. It was not forced by anyone.
ReplyDeleteThere was never any voting conducted in HYD assembly, there was only a discussion. SRC clearly recommended to go for elections to get the peoples opinion on merging.
The math I put out earlier is clear from Aditya's own facts.
The link Kalpana provided says otherwise.
The link talks only about 2006-07 data . Aditya was referring to 50 years data . Do you guys have any such data ?
Before the merge it is very clear that Telangana tax money is bigger than Andhra, and 2006-07 data also telling the same. So some one can come to conclusion that rest of the years date will be like that only.
in the same way minstry of finance govt of a.p can spend it anywhere.
That is not true, Gentlemen Agreement clearly says that the tax money collected in Telangan should be spent in Telangan only, this violation is one of the reason for 1969 violent agitations, read the link provided by Kalpana.
@Sera your stament is Ironic.
ReplyDelete<<We are not religious fanatics or anything like that. I dont know whether you like RSS/BJP we don't.
The people who are involved in Blowing Up Jama Masjid in Hyd are North Indians who belong to RSS atleast according to CBI.
@ SERA
ReplyDeleteYour idea of delhi hyderabad state definitely feasible just like hyd UT. But anyway whats going to happen will be decided by political compulsions not so much based on SKC report.
>>But anyway whats going to happen will be decided by political compulsions not so much based on SKC report.
ReplyDeleteWell said.
@@@@@PRAVEEN
ReplyDeleteyou missed the whole point, You think you are smart but you couldnt even understand my comment.
<<Now you see the lies. Isn't it so clear. Hyderabad needs to be separate. What they are afraid is SKC will give a report that will put the lies to rest.
As I explained in my comment if You make Union Territories based on the Revenue surpuluses generated,every major Indian city has to become a UT.
@Name less
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely agreed. I also said that earlier repeatedly And in fact political compulsions are the best way a state is formed in a democracy.
Any other way is wrong is what I too say.
Let the SKC report come. I am actually waiting to read some truth. I am tired of this arguments that go in circles.
"Before the merge it is very clear that Telangana tax money is bigger than Andhra, and 2006-07 data also telling the same. So some one can come to conclusion that rest of the years date will be like that only."
ReplyDeleteHow do you come to that conclusion ? This is called propaganda. You dont have numbers but say funds were diverted from hyd to andhra.
Regarding pre merger revenues, andhra had a deficit budget and hyderabad surplus budget ,it doesnt say who had bigger revenues. andhra had deficit budget because they were spending on building a capital and investing for future unlike hyd leaders who kept the money in state treasury like in Nizam style.
Region
ReplyDelete2003-04 2004-05 2005-06206-07
1. Andhra 2796 3494 3702 3690
2. Rayalaseema 730 867 1004 987
3. Telangana 5565 4725 5935 6093
4.Head quarters5095 8311 9708 9319
Total 14186 17397 20349 20089
5.Others 3220 3283 4055 4980
6.GrandTotal17406 20680 24404 25069
As give by AP's finance minister roshiah.
@@@@@Name less
ReplyDeleteLets not forget that all these taxes were more in that region or so etc is from the Hyderabad state which included a few more districts.
My old people still feel sad that the erstwhile Hyderabad state had to split with some parts going to Maharashtra and some to Karnataka. And when it was split none of these people protested.
And now see. Sad.
@ Aditya
ReplyDeleteYou said 50 years , now you are showing only the figures for last 6 years. Where are the figures for rest 44 years ?
Those were the years where foundations were laid for todays progress and revenue.
Ok ,may not be 50 ,show me atleast figures for last 20-25 years
This is getting complicated I will take year 2006-007 as the Sample.
ReplyDeleteSource: Presented by AP finance ministry.
Taking Hyderabad as a seperate unit.
All in crores.
Revenues, Expenditure
Telengana 6093 5987
Seemandhra 4677 6370
Hyderabad 9319 682
Telengana 15412 6669
(incl Hyd).
Sorry the 30Kcr revenue estimate in my previous comment was a rough guesstimate.
How do you come to that conclusion ? This is called propaganda. You dont have numbers but say funds were diverted from hyd to andhra.
ReplyDeleteThat is called false propaganda. What ever the reason SRC clearly mentioned that Telangana had surplus revenue because of land tax and excise revenue.
If Telangana has lesser revenue then why do you think that there is a clause in Gentlemen agreement that Telangana Tax money should be spent in Telangana only?
Dont start another false propaganda that Andhra is spending on building a capital, there was no development going on for new capital because the were hoping to merge with HYD(Telangana).
Ok ,may not be 50 ,show me atleast figures for last 20-25 years
So, you dont even have any data but you say we are wrong? How funny it it.
If these aditya's figures are true then there is injustice.
ReplyDeleteIf the SKC corroborates that then good. We should leave it there. And let the SKC recommend a separate state or their curiously worded "optimal solution".
@ Name less
ReplyDeleteThis took me half an hour to find, i usually dont work that hard even for exams , I heard Andhrites are hard working and resourceful people so wy dont you find it yourselves.
Try a google search in AP finance or palnning comission archives.
Iam sure that Data that is 30 years old will be even more Damning because during these 6 years Telengana agitation already started and things were little better for TG.
How do you come to that conclusion ? This is called propaganda. You dont have numbers but say funds were diverted from hyd to andhra.
ReplyDeleteThat is called false propaganda. What ever the reason SRC clearly mentioned that Telangana had surplus revenue because of land tax and excise revenue.
If Telangana has lesser revenue then why do you think that there is a clause in Gentlemen agreement that Telangana Tax money should be spent in Telangana only?
Dont start another false propaganda that Andhra is spending on building a capital, there was no development going on for new capital because the were hoping to merge with HYD(Telangana).
Ok ,may not be 50 ,show me atleast figures for last 20-25 years
So, you dont even have any data but you say we are wrong? How funny it it.
How do you come to that conclusion ? This is called propaganda. You dont have numbers but say funds were diverted from hyd to andhra.
ReplyDeleteThat is called false propaganda. What ever the reason SRC clearly mentioned that Telangana had surplus revenue because of land tax and excise revenue.
If Telangana has lesser revenue then why do you think that there is a clause in Gentlemen agreement that Telangana Tax money should be spent in Telangana only?
Dont start another false propaganda that Andhra is spending on building a capital, there was no development going on for new capital because the were hoping to merge with HYD(Telangana).
Ok ,may not be 50 ,show me atleast figures for last 20-25 years
So, you dont even have any data but you say we are wrong? How funny it it.
//I posted this twice I saw it is posted later after few minutes it was disappeared, so I am posting again. //
@ Aditya
ReplyDeleteThis is strange , I thought you guys had the data for all the fifty years. Isnt that the very basis for your movement?
Also taking one data point as a sample of out of possible 50 data points you cant extrapolate. I am sure even sujai wont agree with this statistical mischief , then of course ,he may agree
I thought you guys had the data for all the fifty years.
ReplyDeletewe too thought that you had last 50 years of data and thats the reason rejecting our claims.
Ok ,may not be 50 ,show me atleast figures for last 20-25 years
ReplyDeleteSo, you dont even have any data but you say we are wrong? How funny it it.
How do you come to that conclusion ? This is called propaganda. You dont have numbers but say funds were diverted from hyd to andhra.
ReplyDeleteThat is called false propaganda. What ever the reason SRC clearly mentioned that Telangana had surplus revenue because of land tax and excise revenue.
If Telangana has lesser revenue then why do you think that there is a clause in Gentlemen agreement that Telangana Tax money should be spent in Telangana only?
Dont start another false propaganda that Andhra is spending on building a capital, there was no development going on for new capital because the were hoping to merge with HYD(Telangana).
Revenue Collections for the first 12years of state formation,Source: Lalith Kumar Report Govt of AP.
ReplyDeleteYear Andhra % Telangana %
1956 1,450 57. 1,093.88 43.00
1957 3,987 63. 2,244.79 36.02
1958 4,085 60. 2,667.18 39.50
1959 4,743 57. 3,451.10 42.12
1960 5,176 60. 3,352.36 39.31
1961 4,766 55. 3,810.83 44.43
1962 6,027 57. 4,506.55 42.78
1963 7,567 59. 5,091.79 40.22
1964 7,780 59. 5,375.91 40.86
1965 -7,769 56. 6,087.29 43.93
1966 -8,681 55. 7,044.00 44.79
1967 -9,866. 59. 6,720.47 40.52
Total-71,900 58. 51,446.15 41.71
You should note that from the total revenue in 12 years Telengana provided 41% and Seemandhra 58%.
Population of TG was 35% of total and Seemandhra 65%, this means Per-capita taxes paid by TG people is much Higher, this is all before andhra "settlers" migrated to Hyd or TG in large numbers.
"
ReplyDeletewe too thought that you had last 50 years of data and thats the reason rejecting our claims. "
Sir , Thats why your Telangana movement is dubbed as a movement based on lies.
Every district generates money to the state whether small or less. That is given.
But when you say money moved from telangana to andhra the onus is on you to prove.
But when you say money moved from telangana to andhra the onus is on you to prove.
ReplyDeleteThats why we call you that you just reject what ever TG people claim.
For the proofs, read the Bhargava committee report from 1968-69 time or read the link provided by Kalpana (above). This is the start with.... Hundreds of times we asking govt to publish the data, but Roshaiah rejected and said his govt has no intentions to publish that data and if some one want they can go thru the Information Act.
Let say for example lets assume you are correct about we dont have any data, but on what basis you are rejecting our claims? do you have any evidence to prove us wrong? Dumbest argument from your side so far....
Now comes the Real "thing" how andhras skimmed of Telenganas revenue. From the same source.
ReplyDeleteYear Revenue Expendit Stolen
by
andhras %
1956 1,093 644.58 449 41.07
1957 2,244 1,896.67 348 15.51
1958 2,667 2,242.69 424 15.92
1959 3,451 2,598.16 852 24.72
1960 3,352 3,000.34 352 10.50
1961 3,810 3,381.37 429 11.27
1962 4,506 3,837.69 668 14.84
1963 5,091 4,228.95 862 16.95
1964 5,375 4,764.70 611 11.37
1965 6,087 5,555.39 531 8.74
1966 7,044 6,376.45 667 9.48
1967 6,720 6,526.31 194 2.89
Source : Lalith Kumar report (AP govt 1969)
ReplyDeleteYear % Andhra Telangana Total
1956 1,450 57. 1,093.88 43.00
1957 3,987 63. 2,244.79 36.02
1958 4,085 60. 2,667.18 39.50
1959 4,743 57. 3,451.10 42.12
1960 5,176 60. 3,352.36 39.31
1961 4,766 55. 3,810.83 44.43
1962 6,027 57. 4,506.55 42.78
1963 7,567 59. 5,091.79 40.22
1964 7,780 59. 5,375.91 40.86
1965 -7,769 56. 6,087.29 43.93
1966 -8,681 55. 7,044.00 44.79
1967 -9,866. 59. 6,720.47 40.52
Total-71,900 58. 51,446.15 41.71
In the first 12 years of states formation Telenganites were paying 41% of the total revenue and andhrites 58%, But Then Telengana population was only 35% of total and seemandhra population 65%, So TG people were paying more significantly taxes per-capita than SA people.
"Let say for example lets assume you are correct about we dont have any data, but on what basis you are rejecting our claims? do you have any evidence to prove us wrong? Dumbest argument from your side so far.... "
ReplyDeleteMy question is how did you arrive at a conclusion without any data ?
First you guys decided that andhras are cheats and then when andhra asked for proof , you started looking around ,funnily there is no data. Now you are blaming Rossiah.
Why didnt your PV ,Chenna ,Anjiah, Jalagam maintain data during their periods ?
How andhra people Stole TG revenues.
ReplyDeleteFrom the same source.
Year Revenue Expendit Stolen
by Andhras%
1956 1,093 644.58 449.30 41.07
1957 2,244 1,896.67 348.12 15.51
1958 2,667 2,242.69 424.49 15.92
1959 3,451 2,598.16 852.94 24.72
1960 3,352 3,000.34 352.02 10.50
1961 3,810 3,381.37 429.46 11.27
1962 4,506 3,837.69 668.86 14.84
1963 5,091 4,228.95 862.84 16.95
1964 5,375 4,764.70 611. 11.37
1965 6,087 5,555.39 531.90 8.74
1966 7,044 6,376.45 667.55 9.48
1967 6,720 6,526.31 194.16 2.89
@ Aditya
ReplyDeleteThe data you posted shows that Telangana was contributing 40% of state revenue and andhra 60% during the first 10 years.
In the 2006-07 (andhrajyoty link) Telangana contributes 61% while andhra slipped to 20% .
So in which direction do you think money flew ?
How andhra people Stole TG revenues.
ReplyDeleteFrom the same source.
Year Revn Expen Stolen
by Andhra %
56 1,093 644 449 41
57 2,244 1,896 348 15
58 2,667 2,242 424 15
59 3,451 2,598 852 24
60 3,352 3,000 352 10
61 3,810 3,381 429 11
62 4,506 3,837 668 14
63 5,091 4,228 862 16
64 5,375 4,764 611 11
65 6,087 5,555 531 8
66 7,044 6,376 667 9
67 6,720 6,526 194 2
My question is how did you arrive at a conclusion without any data ?
ReplyDelete"నువ్వు వేదవ అని ఒప్పుకుంటే నేను వేదవనే" అన్నట్లుంది.....
I have atleast two evidences to talk about immediately.
1. Bhargava commission report
2. The link provided by Kalpana (above)
Both proved that Telangana tax money is used/diverted to Seemandra. What about you?
From the same source.
ReplyDeleteYear Revn Expen Stolen
by Andhra %
56 1,093 644 449 41
57 2,244 1,896 348 15
58 2,667 2,242 424 15
59 3,451 2,598 852 24
60 3,352 3,000 352 10
61 3,810 3,381 429 11
62 4,506 3,837 668 14
63 5,091 4,228 862 16
64 5,375 4,764 611 11
65 6,087 5,555 531 8
66 7,044 6,376 667 9
67 6,720 6,526 194 2
@Nameless
ReplyDeleteI thought I was bad at math you must be Pathetic Or lack basic common sense.
<<<he data you posted shows that Telangana was contributing 40% of state revenue and andhra 60% during the first 10 years.
In the 2006-07 (andhrajyoty link) Telangana contributes 61% while andhra slipped to 20% .
So in which direction do you think money flew ?
I think your Andhra parasites sucked the economy and blood of Telengana for the past 50 years.
During the first 12 years the revenue contribution was 40% but the population was only 35%, It is Unjust and Criminal but thats not the real thing the real thing is about expenditure, Telengana contributes the revenue and the revenue gets spent or expended on Andhra. As much as 43% of Telenganas revenue was Skimmed of by Andhras.
Green
ReplyDeleteLook at this link and read for yourself what Bharagava commission says :
http://books.google.com/books?id=mISVwxcF5asC&pg=PA175&dq=bhargava+committee+report+on+telangana&hl=en&ei=x8oRTK2yLpOinQfTwOiRAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=bhargava%20committee%20report%20on%20telangana&f=false
especially see page 189
http://books.google.com/books?id=mISVwxcF5asC&pg=PA175&dq=bhargava+committee+report+on+telangana&hl=en&ei=x8oRTK2yLpOinQfTwOiRAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=bhargava%20committee%20report%20on%20telangana&f=false
ReplyDeleteI am trying to give link for bhargava commission report not sure whether it is coming proper or not
ReplyDeletehttp://books.google.com/books?id=mISVwxcF5asC&pg=PA175&dq=bhargava+committee+report+on+telangana&hl=en&ei=x8oRTK2yLpOinQfTwOiRAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=bhargava%20committee%20report%20on%20telangana&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=mISVwxcF5asC&pg=PA175&dq=bhargava+committee+report+on+telangana&hl=en&ei=x8oRTK2yLpOinQfTwOiRAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&res
ReplyDeleteThis is the link.
If you are not getting it , then do google search with string
"myteluguroots.com bhargava commission" and go in the comments section where you will find the link.
read page 189
In the Bhargava commission report on page 189 it is written
ReplyDelete"The figures contained in the annexures G-1 to G-12 show that in almost all the years during these period , the expenditure on development in Telangana has been in excess of its proportionate share and that, in fact,a large portion of the revenue surplus arising in telangana has been utilized in accordance with the "Gentlemens agreement "
There is much more in that page . Each line a eye opener to parrots like you who dont even bother to verify a single fact
Rvnu= Telenganas revenue.
ReplyDeleteEXP= Amount Spent on TG.
STO= Amount Stolen By Andhra.
%= Percentage of TG revenue Stoln
Year Rvnu EXP STO %
1956 1093 644 449 41
1957 2244 1896 348 15
1958 2667 2242 424 15
1959 3451 2598 852 24
1960 3352 3000 352 10
1961 3810 3381 429 11
1962 4506 3837 668 14
1963 5091 4228 862 16
1964 5375 4764 611 11
1965 6087 5555 531 8
1966 7044 6376 667 9
1967 6720 6526 194 2
>>.If you are not getting it , then do google search with string
ReplyDeleteRead page number 189
http://books.google.com/books?id=mISVwxcF5asC&pg=PA175&dq=bhargava+committee+report+on+telangana&hl=en&ei=x8oRTK2yLpOinQfTwOiRAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&res
ReplyDeletePage #189
hey why did my excerpt from bhargava commission report get deleted ?
ReplyDeletehey why did my excerpt from bhargava commission report get deleted ?
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly my another post too was deleted some time back, I tried several times, after I post it was there, after few minutes when I refresh it is gone. Some thing going on with Blogger I guess. If admin deleted my post then there will be a message showen like 'Deleted by Admin' etc.
:)
telangana leaders always call seemandhraites as looters.
ReplyDeletelets agree to this.but, in wat way are t regipn people better.
these are the detai;s of assets and libalities given by some prominent telangana leaders while filing nominations during 2009 elections
1)jana reddy-assets of rs 10 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=427
2)lakshmi narayana(bjp candidate who defeated ds)-1 crore
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=242
3)ds-9 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=243
4)ponnala-2 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=575
6)nagam-2 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=374
7)revanth reddy-3 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=255
8)erraballi-2 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=597
9)ktr-4 crores
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=1317
10)harish-71 lakhs
http://myneta.info/ap09/candidate.php?candidate_id=1375
11)and last but not the least kcr-2 crores
http://myneta.info/ls2009/candidate.php?candidate_id=540
veellu okokkallu intha deabbu ela sampadincharu?
the means adopted by SA people to earn wealth is as legal or illegal as the same means that these leaders have implemented.mee vallu kashta padi sampadinchaaru ante maa vallu kooda anthe.
maa vallu dochukunnaru ante mee valu kooda anthe
Green Star said...
ReplyDeletehey why did my excerpt from bhargava commission report get deleted ?
Now isnt that a seema-andhra conspiracy? :)
Ok. Just wanted to make one last post before the SKC gives its report.
ReplyDelete1. I am the “hindi speaking” kind that Aditya named me in Hyderabad. I have relatives among telugus from all the three regions. I also have relatives from the districts that belonged earlier to the “Hyderabad State”.
2. We would not like to see the state split in the present state and would like to see a Hyderabad UT or a separate state of Hyderabad or best to make Hyderabad a part of the present state of Delhi.
3. Don’t think all the three options are not possible because of reasons cited by Sujai and the likes of Prof. Jayshankar who cite reasons like “geographical contiguity” (Pondicherry is a state which is in four pieces and the four pieces lie in four states) or threats like “we will cut water, electricity etc”. For that your answer should be “Do It and then we will see what the solution is”. Don’t give into these arguments. Hyderabad as a UT or a separate state is fully possible.
4. We were very disappointed when the old Hyderabad state split. In fact some of my older members of the family still nurture dreams of seeing it back. At that time we were told that “telugu” is an identity and hence the split has happened. We were not heard. We then reconciled to the Hyderbadi as a city identity and not as a state.
5. Then the “telugus” said they want one state and merged. The best part is it was a peaceful merger (maybe Sujai and Jayshankar will disagree). Fine.
6. Now suddenly we hear of a new identity called “telangana” which to our knowledge does not exist and at best is a creation.
7. There are only two things – the erstwhile Hyderabad state or AP with Telugu identity.
8. So there are only three ways forward – a)reinstate erstwhile Hyderabad state or b)continue the present AP or c)make Hyderabad independent Pondicherry style (even shared capital has its problems the way we see it. Of course the way we see it is not the way you should see it or the way it will be). The way we see it we see blackmail. First it was splitting the erstwhile Hyderabad state. Then it was telugu identity which is centuries old. And now telangana which has no basis historically or otherwise. Telanganas cannot claim history of the erstwhile Hyderabad state and own it while a large part of the geography and people is not part of it any longer. And that is why we have a sense of mistrust.
9. Fear is what we are enveloped in. We are waiting for the SKC report. We submitted to it with all the above points.
All said done if political compulsions and democracy dictates the need for the state, so be it. What could we do when the erstwhile Hyderabad state split. But we will try our best.
Ok. Just wanted to make one last post before the SKC gives its report.
ReplyDelete1. I am the “hindi speaking” kind that Aditya named me in Hyderabad. I have relatives among telugus from all the three regions. I also have relatives from the districts that belonged earlier to the “Hyderabad State”.
2. We would not like to see the state split in the present state and would like to see a Hyderabad UT or a separate state of Hyderabad or best to make Hyderabad a part of the present state of Delhi.
3. Don’t think all the three options are not possible because of reasons cited by Sujai and the likes of Prof. Jayshankar who cite reasons like “geographical contiguity” (Pondicherry is a state which is in four pieces and the four pieces lie in four states) or threats like “we will cut water, electricity etc”. For that your answer should be “Do It and then we will see what the solution is”. Don’t give into these arguments. Hyderabad as a UT or a separate state is fully possible.
4. We were very disappointed when the old Hyderabad state split. In fact some of my older members of the family still nurture dreams of seeing it back. At that time we were told that “telugu” is an identity and hence the split has happened. We were not heard. We then reconciled to the Hyderbadi as a city identity and not as a state.
5. Then the “telugus” said they want one state and merged. The best part is it was a peaceful merger (maybe Sujai and Jayshankar will disagree). Fine.
6. Now suddenly we hear of a new identity called “telangana” which to our knowledge does not exist and at best is a creation.
7. There are only two things – the erstwhile Hyderabad state or AP with Telugu identity.
8. So there are only three ways forward – a)reinstate erstwhile Hyderabad state or b)continue the present AP or c)make Hyderabad independent Pondicherry style (even shared capital has its problems the way we see it. Of course the way we see it is not the way you should see it or the way it will be). The way we see it we see blackmail. First it was splitting the erstwhile Hyderabad state. Then it was telugu identity which is centuries old. And now telangana which has no basis historically or otherwise. Telanganas cannot claim history of the erstwhile Hyderabad state and own it while a large part of the geography and people is not part of it any longer. And that is why we have a sense of mistrust.
9. Fear is what we are enveloped in. We are waiting for the SKC report. We submitted to it with all the above points.
All said done if political compulsions and democracy dictates the need for the state, so be it. What could we do when the erstwhile Hyderabad state split. But we will try our best.
Ok. Just wanted to make one last post before the SKC gives its report.
ReplyDelete1. I am the “hindi speaking” kind that Aditya named me in Hyderabad. I have relatives among telugus from all the three regions. I also have relatives from the districts that belonged earlier to the “Hyderabad State”. You can see my earlier posts.
2. We would not like to see the state split in the present state and would like to see a Hyderabad UT or a separate state of Hyderabad or best to make Hyderabad a part of the present state of Delhi.
3. Don’t think all the three options are not possible because of reasons cited by Sujai and the likes of Prof. Jayshankar who cite reasons like “geographical contiguity” (Pondicherry is a state which is in four pieces and the four pieces lie in four states) or threats like “we will cut water, electricity etc”. For that your answer should be “Do It and then we will see what the solution is” or say like Sujai says "It is imaginary and when that happens let us see". Don’t give into these arguments. Hyderabad as a UT or a separate state is fully possible.
4. We were very disappointed when the old Hyderabad state split. In fact some of my older members of the family still nurture dreams of seeing it back. At that time we were told that “telugu” is an identity and hence the split has happened. We were not heard. We then reconciled to the Hyderbadi as a city identity and not as a state.
5. Then the “telugus” said they want one state and merged. The best part is it was a peaceful merger (maybe Sujai and Jayshankar will disagree). Fine.
6. Now suddenly we hear of a new identity called “telangana” which to our knowledge does not exist and at best is a creation.
7. There are only two things – the erstwhile Hyderabad state or AP with Telugu identity.
8. So there are only three ways forward – a)reinstate erstwhile Hyderabad state or b)continue the present AP or c)make Hyderabad independent Pondicherry style (even shared capital has its problems the way we see it. Of course the way we see it is not the way you should see it or the way it will be). The way we see it we see blackmail. First it was splitting the erstwhile Hyderabad state. Then it was telugu identity which is centuries old. And now telangana which has no basis historically or otherwise. Telanganas cannot claim history of the erstwhile Hyderabad state and own it while a large part of the geography and people is not part of it any longer. And that is why we have a sense of mistrust.
9. Fear is what we are enveloped in. We are waiting for the SKC report. We submitted to it with all the above points.
All said done if political compulsions and democracy dictates the need for the state, so be it. What could we do when the erstwhile Hyderabad state split. But we will try our best.
I know for sure that majority of Hyderabadis want Hyderabad separate. We have done a survey by an international agency. After the waters settle down and the fear is lifted, the results will come in a national magazine. Of course for people who dont want to believe the SKC report this survey may make no sense. But then the bird has to sing, otherwise what is freedom.