“Here the ways of men divide. If you wish to strive for peace of soul and happiness, then believe; if you wish to be a disciple of truth, then inquire.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
The Telanganas admit that they had invited Seemandhras to form AP by enacting a drama of even giving up the CM post who was made a sacrificial lamb. The main intention from that day was to use the brains, money and hard work of seema andhras and develop as they were undereducated and hardly had any social infrastructure. Then the plan was to kick them out after their development. When Seemaandhras realised this after the 1969 agitation and wanted to move out in 1971 even then the Telanganas did not let them go knowing that they still did not squeeze their best. They conspired to put all investment from seema andhra in Hyderabad in the name of capital and arm twisted the seema andhras while the Telanganas prospered. And now they want to kick out the SA people. That is why they still harp on Mulki rules and they do not ask for the 8 districts that went to Karnataka and Maharashtra as there is very little to squeeze those areas and exploit there people.
These many days they had a roar ..... Now they are crying like a baby...so pity.
So, why do Seemandhras, who you think have brains, money and hard work, suddenly become jobless, suddenly become beggars, suddenly lose all opportunities if Telangana is separated?
How stupid you are. It is all a strategy of lies beats lies. Telanganas lie and so to counter that Seemaandhras lie. ha ha ha.
So you admit that they are Seemandhra lies. We don't believe we are lying. We believe in what we are talking. We believe we are telling the truth as we know it.
>>Seemaandhras lie. ha ha ha.You caught again. Thank you for making it easy for us.
In such a case we also believe we are also not lying. We believe in what we are talking :)
Do you realize why we can't say in the united state now? For us, Andhra Pradesh was formed on conditions and promises - which were never honored. For Seemandhras, Andhra Pradesh was all about looting, stealing, and grabbing - by flouting every rule, every promise and every agreement. You change your stance continuously to suit your convenience - like what you did above. First you admit what you have been saying was bunch of lies and they you say you are not lying. This is the exact reason why Telangana Movement is alive even after sixty years. We cannot continue in this experiment called Andhra Pradesh where you go about lying, cheating and stealing.
Same with you. Where is the underdevelopment that you so maintained and argued. Gone out of the window? Eh! to suit your convenience. A movement based on lies and half truths is what the Telangana movement is and you teach us about truth. Go try convincing someone else.
Congrats Sujai!!! One more step done. I appreciate all your efforts for the cause of Telangana State.Thanks,Sri
Thank you Sri. We cannot celebrate yet. We have a formidable enemy. We will celebrate the day the bill is pass in both the houses of Parliament.
Congrats Sujai and fellow Telangana people.Yes, we should celebrate only when the bifurcation proces is completed 100%.
Yes Green Star. Dont celebrate. You dont deserve it.
Oh, thank god. So, you still there.I thought you died with heart attack. God is gerat, he kept you alive to see the Telangana state formation, and it's coming golden days.
Oh. So you idiot or idiots believe in god. Great :)
After I know you are still alive... yes I do believe in god :)
OMG! Green Star comments are everywhere on this blog. He/she must have been mashed up seemandhras..lol
That's because Green Star uses a pseudonym - at least that's better than writing as 'Anonymous'.
I think it is not true that telangana movement is alive because andhras cheated and used their resources. Indians hate each other and we all knew it, if someone disagrees then they must be lying to themselves. The hatred between telugus is quite common, be it in India or abroad. We divide and rot in hell. I wish india never existed with all this complications.
I wish india never existed with all this complications.Some of you run away from the problems without solving them. Some of us want to stay put, and use the institutions and mechanisms provided Indian Constitution and legal system to address the problems. Formation of Telangana is a constitutional solution provided by Article 3. Nearly sixteen states have been formed so far in this country. And many more will be formed in the next decade or so.
You could have gone to the center with a begging bowl saying you wanted a separate state and gotten it. You could have highlighted the differences in culture and dialects. But why do you have to sow seeds of hatred with your brother and sisters, your neighbors? Why? Its another fact that you abysmally failed to prove that a section of people are discriminated. You might very well get a separate state, but all that blind hatred will not do good to anyone in the long run.
We did just that. UPA formed an alliance with TRS in 2004 promising people of Telangana their statehood. Then they made a U-turn because of Rajashekara Reddy (CM hailing from Seemandhra) - who did what Seemandhras has been doing to us all long - betrayal. He canvassed in Telangana promising statehood, and using the date difference in voting, went back to Seemandhra to tell them that they would have to take visa to get into Hyderabad if Telangana is formed. Then it was the turn of betrayal by another Seemandhra leader Naidu. And when we dealt with New Delhi to get out Dec 9th proclamation, it was once again Seemandhra people and its leaders who ensure Telangana was not formed. That's why we are extremely upset and angry with leaders and people of Seemandhra - and it shows in our words and actions.
Congrats Sujai & all T supporters.
Hyd revenue (post merger development lone) lo 60% share istamu ani oppukoni t-state form chesukondi. Appudu evvariki nastam vundadu. Migatavanni chetta vadanale rendu vipula. Pls try to convince center for the above revenue share and get telangana asap.
Take 100% but on one condition, bring back the life of one Telanganite who sacrificed their life.Don't you find it shameful that even after looting Telangana resources you have the gal to ask share in Hyderabad?By the way, the money that Centre is going to give you for building new capital will have contribution from Telangana state as well. Hope greediness ends with you in your family.-Another Anonymous
Dude... who are greedy?? Its Telangana leaders who waited for this long to squeeze all the good stuff from Andhraites and then agitate for the capital. Why did they not support when Jai Andhra movemont was at full swing? Your agitation is for the capital. Not Telangana.Who looted resources? You think its Coal? Thermal Plants in Telangana are 4. In Andhra&Seema are 3. Thermal Power generation from Telangana is 4882.5MW where as from Andhra&Seema it is 4600MW. Out of this, NTPC Simhadri which produces 2000MW is located in Visakhapatnam district. The coal for the power plant is sourced from Kalinga Block of Talcher Coal fields in Orissa. So, only 2 Thermal Plants in Andhra&Seema run with coal of Telangana(2600MW). They were started in 1979 & 1994 where as in Telangana, they were started in 1966, 1971, 1983, 2008. And Power supplied to Telangana from Andhra is more than 2000MW. So do you still think Andhra looted Coal?If you think its water, Rivers in Telangana flow at a very low height when compared to land. It requires Lift irrigation which is expensive to irrigate water. Lift irrigation has started in AP in 1975. State couldn't spend more money in earlier days as the revenue was less. Only in recent past, the state revenue has increased(due to IT) so Lift Irrigation started recently. Stop blaming others for god given curses(Telangana is a Plateau Andhra is Delta).
"Seemandhras admit they have colonized Telangana" Again foolhardy statements without proof meant to justify your hatred. You sir, are a disgrace. You are worse than Times of India that changes its content every now and then. You just force your arrogance onto readers. Using the word "colonize" just to recreate an imperialistic picture in the minds of people. This makes you a fascist. This blog is a disgrace to a separate state movement. Less in content more in hatred. It must be buried.
Well said Sivaram... I'm from Telangana.. I'm utterly disappointing with the amount of hatred this blog is spreading around. These crazy separatists are making an deep scar between the people. They say that they want to be good neighbors or lets part away like brothers/friends. With such rotten minds how can they maintain brotherhood in future only God knows. They are making Telangana and Seemaandhra as Pakisthan and India(Never ending quarrels). Leave alone 2states or single state. its not good if such hatred is spread manipulating facts with lies. Same thing is happening with Andhra people also. They started categorizing all Telanganites as betrayers and rowdies because of some idiotic separatists. This will not go well for our future generations if blogs like these are not stopped. My sincere request to the blogger is to please publish facts and stop spreading hatred. Leave it to people whether to hate or love just publish facts.
...please publish facts... Leave it to people whether to hate or love just publish facts.I am not an encyclopaedia or Manorama book of facts. I write my opinions here using the facts that are already available. If you want to read only the facts please read the Andhra Pradesh Statistical Reports. It has all the facts.
** I write my opinions here using the facts that are already available**Where from you get your facts? It'll not surprise me if you say.. "from TRS Statistical reports".. or "Kodandaram Statistical reports" lol
Please contest a fact that I used. I will provide the necessary source.
>>Why did they not support when Jai Andhra movemont was at full swing?Who said Telangana people did not supported? The whole point of Andhra movement is about Mulki rules, so why did Seemandra people accepted it in first place?>>Rivers in Telangana flow at a very low height when compared to land. It requires Lift irrigation which is expensive to irrigate water. So, do you know the answer why non-lift irrigation projects are in pending for decades? If you say building more natural water projects is not possible in Telangana, what stopping completing already started projects?If new projects are not possible, then atleast use that money to give clean water to Nalgonda flouride victims?>>Well said Sivaram... I'm from Telangana.. So, I am from seemandra. lol.>>Leave it to peopleThis blogger is also part of people, isn't it?
**This blogger is also part of people, isn't it?**Sorry Green Star... that was my fault to think you are wise enough to understand the essence of the statements. Try to practice reading so that you can understand meanings according to the contexts. 'People' here are the readers of this blog. The blogger is the writer and not termed as reader. Hence my statement.**So, I am from seemandra. lol**So you think who ever oppose seperation is a Seemandhra guy? If you think so, kindly correct yourself.If you don't believe that I belong to here, provide me your personal e-mail. I'll send you my SSC certificate, my Birth certificate, my father's details, my mother's details. My mother is from Raghavapuram village of Khammam. My grandpa(dad's dad) though he is from Guntur moved to Nalgonda during Telangana rebellion movement to participate in that movement. If you want further details.. I can send you.I treat this movement as the revolt of Patel-Patwaries(Velamas&Reddys) against the Kammas(Choudaries) of Coastal Andhra and Reddys of Seema.Kammas(NTR regime) removed Patel-Patwaries and it was well supported by Reddys of Seema. So Velamas and reddys of Telangana are striving for their share in this grand theft.People like you and me are just pawns used by these thieves.
Phaniraj:I treat this movement as the revolt of Patel-Patwaries(Velamas&Reddys) against the Kammas(Choudaries) of Coastal Andhra and Reddys of Seema.That’s one way of looking at it – through a monochromatic lens to conclude that it is just a fight between two feudal communities. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the only way of looking at it. When Indians struggled for freedom against British, a similar characterization was made – that Hindu Brahmins were trying to usurp power for themselves. Even Winston Churchill shared that opinion. He thought that the whole freedom movement was just a pretext for these Hindu upper caste men to take over the power from British. However, we know that Independence meant many things for us – for example, lower castes were emancipated through reservations and strong laws against discrimination. Many backward communities got proper representation. In the same way, some of us tend to look at Telangana Movement quite differently. We believe it has many facets to it – most of it is missed by you in your simplistic characterization. It involves uplifting of backward communities and lower castes, involves better representation for Muslims and recognition for Muslims, it involves challenging zamindars and zagirdars and their hold over power, it involves a stronger and better identity for the masses who speak Telangana dialect, it involves proper utilization of resources and opportunities in Telangana to benefit the masses. Of course it won’t be a rosy picture- the way it was not very rosy after Indian became Independent. But no sane mind would demand that we Indians should go back to be under British rule once again. Though imperfect, we believe it is better to have self-rule. And that is what Telangana Movement is all about.
**That’s one way of looking at it – through a monochromatic lens**Then what? you have a chromatic lens? Beware it could have chromatic aberration.. lol** It involves uplifting of backward communities and lower castes,**** it involves challenging zamindars and zagirdars and their hold over power,**So you think they were happy when Telangana was separate as Hyderabad state before 1956? If you think so, I seriously suggest you to get back to reading history(Not from TRS facts Report :P) before further write in the blog. Leave alone uplifting, we failed miserably in at least treating the lower classes as humans. Till NTR abolished Patel-Patwaris, no leader from Telangana didn't even try to restrict them. And now you talk of our leaders uplifting the lower classes and backward sections. It's a big time joke!!!**involves better representation for Muslims and recognition for Muslims** I guess you are alien to Hyderabad. I don't expect people from Hyderabad to say this.**it involves proper utilization of resources and opportunities in Telangana to benefit the masses**Agreed to some extent, provided our leaders don't go crazy with the new powers they get(specially TRS)
Phaniraj:So you think they were happy when Telangana was separate as Hyderabad state before 1956?When India fought for freedom from British (in the 20th century), their intention was not restore the monarchies, or to make the ordinary man a subject in a kingdom, but to emancipate the common man to make him a citizen in a democracy with equal rights. So, when we fight for separate Telangana, it does not automatically mean we were well off back then. But we definitely feel that merger has deprived us of the opportunity to bring social equality, prosperity and well-being to the people of Telangana. We refer it to as tossing it from pan into fire. That means, while we concede we were not better off, we lost out the opportunity to be better off by getting into the merger. Till NTR abolished Patel-Patwaris, no leader from Telangana didn't even try to restrict them. According to us, the struggle for betterment of lower classes in Telangana started prior to the 1947, when we launched ourselves into Sayudha Poratam. That was a movement to abolish zamindari and zagirdari system that was prevalent in Nizam Kingdom. However, after annexation, India crushed it because it was backed by communists. When 1969 agitation was ruthlessly crushed, followed by political betrayal when TPS merged with Congress giving up the separation agenda, followed by Jai Andhra Movement which removed the Mulki rules, there was disenchantment with democratic institutions in India, which gave vent to Naxalite Movement. We believe that struggle for equality and uplifting of lower classes is an unfinished business, and we hope to strive for it through political and economic empowerment in Telangana.It's a big time joke!!!Any freedom movement appears to be a joke to oppressor.
@Phaniraj:"I treat this movement as the revolt of Patel-Patwaries(Velamas&Reddys) against the Kammas(Choudaries) of Coastal Andhra and Reddys of Seema"FYI Patwaris were always Niyogi Brahmins."Kammas(NTR regime) removed Patel-Patwaries and it was well supported by Reddys of Seema"All that NTR did was to abolish hereditary appointments e.g. Patel (Munsab in Andhra), Patwari (Karnam in Andhra), temple priests etc.Patels & Patwaris by themselves were mere employees of the Deshmukhs & Jagirdars. After Boorgula Ramkishenrao's Govt. introduced land reforms far reaching for those days, Patels & Patwaris lost most of their powers.
** Patwaris were always Niyogi Brahmins.**I know that Patwaries are Niyogi Brahmins. My intent was the Patel-Patwari system not in precise Patels and Patwaries. **All that NTR did was to abolish hereditary appointments e.g. Patel (Munsab in Andhra), Patwari (Karnam in Andhra), temple priests etc.** by JaiBeing a Niyogi Brahmin, I know that we appreciated the NTR's action on the system that Govt job shouldn't be hereditary. Those positions were now replaced by VROs. But the reason behind that action was to make Doras of Telangana toothless and put a check to their dominance.The Velmas and Reddys who enjoyed the position of Doras during those days were against that. Because of that reason Telangana leaders(mostly Reddys and Velmas till '80s), before NTR didn't try to remove it completely.Only PV. Narasimha Rao and Burugula Rama Krishna Rao(Brahmins) tried to bring land reforms to polarize the power of Doras but didn't remove completely as they came to power with the support of Reddy and Velma leaders.**According to us, the struggle for betterment of lower classes in Telangana started prior to the 1947** By SujaiExactly... This is what I was saying. It was people who fought(Sayudha Poratam and Naxalism) against the zamindari system not political leaders in Telangana. I'm reflecting exactly the same in my comment that leaders in Telangana would not help in uplifting the Lower classes. **But we definitely feel that merger has deprived us of the opportunity to bring social equality,**Can you explain me what stopped Telangana Leaders to abolish the Dora system till 1980s. In fact merger has helped in abolishing the cruel monarchy of Doras and establish equality(basis of caste). This is the only reason why TDP still has foothold in Telangana even after they opposed Telangana in 2004. We think because of TDP only the Dora system is toothless in Telangana now.**Any freedom movement appears to be a joke to oppressor.** Who is the oppressor? Who am I to oppress your struggle? and before that, Who said the movement is a Joke?Sujai you always try hard to twist others comments. I said your idea of T-Leaders uplifting the lower classes is a big time joke. FYI.. this is what I said"And now you talk of our leaders uplifting the lower classes and backward sections. It's a big time joke!!!"
Green Star!! -- Who said Telangana people did not supported? The whole point of Andhra movement is about Mulki rules, so why did Seemandra people accepted it in first place?Seemandhra's main demand was a separate state. The reason behind this was the Mulki rule which makes seemandhras as 2nd grade citizens in their own capital. I know many people who lost their jobs because of the Mulki rule. My uncle who got a job as teacher in Khammam under non-local quota before merger lost his job during 1969-70. Such was the situation and hence agitation. So, when the mulki rule was corrected and relaxations were given to certain positions in Hyderabad, Seemandhra accepted it as it was the problem source. At this point no T-politician or T-supporter had not taken forward the T movement of 1969 to advocate their dissatisfaction over the removal of Mulki in Hyderabad. Instead they proposed a 6-point formula It was T-leaders who were and are opportunists. They used to hire teachers, nurses when there were no eligible candidates in Telangana and after few years the used to ask them to leave the position as he/she is a violation to the Mulki rule. --If new projects are not possible, then atleast use that money to give clean water to Nalgonda flouride victims?Your prorogation is as if Nalgonda is the only district effected by Flouride.Do you know the fact that there are 18 districts in AP which are Flouride hit. Prakasham, Ananthapur are two other major districts where high Flouride levels were detected in drinking water. Both of these districts are drought hit. But do you know the reason why people there don't generally complain? Because in Prakasham, local people with the help of collector(JP of Loksatta) conducted awareness campus among people to use ponds, lakes as drinking water and to use low cost adsorbents like TAC and LSSC to remove Flouride from water. In case of Nalgonda, most of the cases of Flourosis were due to the Flouride in food intake. Floruosis was detected even in people where Nagarjuna Sagar water is available. To eradicate this, people should be educated and let them know that they themselves with the help of local bodies can eradicate Flourosis.
>>Mulki rule which makes seemandhras as 2nd grade citizens in their own capital. How?>>I know many people who lost their jobs because of the Mulki rule. Lost? how did they get the job first?>>who got a job as teacher in Khammam under non-localI think there is no non-local quota any where in the state. >>before merger lost his job during 1969-70if he got the job before merger that means it is againts the Mulki rules. Mulki rules were there in Hyderabad/Telangana long before the Andhra praesh was formed. You say he got the job in non-local quota? How come Hyderabad state will give a job to other state person? I am sure teacher is state level job? I am sure you are just making up this story, but you are not good at that, sorry.>> Instead they proposed a 6-point formula okey, so you guys first accepted Mulki rules, then later opposed. After agitation you guys accepted 6-point formula then later you broke that too. For your information 6-point formula was proposed by central govt. Enough lies. >>They used to hire teachers, nurses when there were no eligible candidates How come some one find eligible candidates in Telangana when Telangana education system was in Urdu? And Andhra Pradesh state eligibility is Telugu? If you dont find SC/ST candidates for perticular positions, you dont fill that position with OC candidate, right? If you dont find eligible Telangan person, you should not fill that up with non-telangana person, if you fillup that means it is unconstitutional. If you want to do that, AP CM needs to address this to people, put that in Assembly to take opinion and continue. But what happened? It was the Seemandra CM who are ruling the AP that time. >>Your prorogation is as if Nalgonda is the only district effected by Flouride.May be not, but if you dont find a project to spend the allocated money then you should use that money for something else in that area. That was my point.
-- if he got the job before merger that means it is against the Mulki rules. Mulki rules were there in Hyderabad/Telangana long before the Andhra praesh was formedAccording to the Mulki rule, jobs in the Telangana region were reserved for locals. But here you should know one fact that a non-local could get a job in Hyderabad state with specific sanction by the authorities. This is what non-local quota I was referring to.Article 39 of Hyderabad Civil Service Rules, as contained in Chapter III of Regulations reads as follows, Appendix N. “ 39. No person will be appointed in any Superior or Inferior services without specific sanction of His exalted Highness, if he is not a Mulki.The same procedure was implemented before merger(sanction by a specific authority) and after merger. Ironically, Nizam Telangana leaders violated this agreement in certain instances, and often for good reasons. For example, when teachers were not available in the Nizam Telangana region, they were hired from other regions. The local Telangana leaders running the zilla parishads made these hiring decisions. There were violations in other government departments, and these violations happened in all ministries, including under the very eyes of the Nizam Telangana ministers.-->>Mulki rule which makes seemandhras as 2nd grade citizens in their own capital. How?Indeed people from Andhra can live in their capital but not take up Public employment - that is the textbook definition of second grade treatment.--okey, so you guys first accepted Mulki rules, then later opposed. After agitation you guys accepted 6-point formula then later you broke that too. I'm afraid you jumped into discussion without knowing what Gentlemen's agreement is. There was a clause saying "Unless revised by agreement earlier this arrangement will be reviewed after ten years."But these rules were maintained for 15 years(1956-1969). At this point T-movement started for further extension and seemandhra people opposed. Unlike the propaganda, most of the rules by Gentlemen agreement were fulfilled except 34cr(quoted by Telangana Regional Council) funds that were deviated to seemandhra and 4% non-mulki jobs(~3800 of 107,000 jobs) out of Govt had announced in 5 year plan its commitment to bring back these 34cr. Later grants were made by govt to win hearts of Telangana like sending non-mulkis back and extension of the agreement. Consequently Jai Andhra movement started.--For your information 6-point formula was proposed by central govt. Enough liesChenna Reddy the icon of T-movement in 1969 was involved in drafting the six-point formula. And he carried this to Delhi post merger of TPS into Congress. Congress went to elections in 1972 with this formula, stating as 'New Deal for Telangana' in the Congress Manifesto. Know some facts before jumping into discussion. You just picked some statements made by T-leaders which are soothing to your ears and jumped into conclusion. You don't even have minimum knowledge of the subject
Phaniraj, separation will have idiots waging pointless wars. As long as blogs like these do not spew their venom on mass media for mass consumption, you and I can sit back and wait for the bifurcation to conclude.
>>separation will have idiots waging pointless wars.People like you said exactly same things when people fighting for Telugu state from Madras. There will be always people like you at any given point of time.
Of course there will be people like me any given point of time -who do not indulge in hate wars. Most of the world population in fact. What is your point exactly?
What has Madras state got to do here? It is like the only crutch in the country of lame - everybody is intent on using it -relevant or not.
My point is >>separation will have idiots waging pointless warsapply the same to Potti Sree Ramulu...You welcome.
Green Star, Potti Sriramulu did not indulge in a hate war. Naturally, you are using the Madras angle just to provide a contrast. As it is evident, you know nothing about that agitation nor bothered to read about it. You just need a strawman argument to convince yourselves. You also did not bother to understand what I was saying. Saw the word idiot, automatically assumed it to be directed to the separatist leaders and jumped in with your "clever counter". Hence the urban jargon RTFF. Make a little effort and read the last line in my "idiot" comment to understand what exactly I was saying and who exactly I am calling idiots.
>>Potti Sriramulu did not indulge in a hate war. It depends on what you portion of a movement you want to see. If you want to see only ugly side, that is what you see even in Potti Sriramulu's agitation. >>you know nothing about that agitationIt is also very easy for me to say that you know nothing about current Telangana agitation. >>You just need a strawman argument to convince yourselvesAs you are doing it right now.>>I was saying and who exactly I am calling idiots.That is why I gave you Potti Sree Ramulu example. Or for example take Bhagat singh, he is a terrorist in British view, but a patriot in Indians view. If you call some one idiot, it doesnt mean he is a idiot for rest of the world. That's why I said, if you were there in Potti Sree Ramulu's time as a Tamilian, you would have call PSR the same.
Green Star, Please. Do not make a fool of yourself any more. I called the people across both regions currently spewing hatred on each other over the issue of bifurcation as idiots. I WAS NOT CALLING THE PEOPLE WHO LED THE SEPARATE TELANGANA AGITATION AS IDIOTS. I hope you have a sense to realize this at least now.Secondly, I am living in Chennai for the past 25 years. I can say with some authority that you do not know about Potti Sriramulu and his agitation but I do know what is in the Tamil mind about it.Lastly, I do know more about Telangana than you would want to assume to assure your own sense of self righteousness. I had travelled Telangana extensively in my years as a banker. Nizamabad, Manthani, Peddapalli Nirmal, Adilabad etc. I am reading this blog just for that reason.
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