On the same day, in THE HINDU, there’s another article. First, LK Advani asserted that he did not know that Jaswant Singh was going to
… Mr. Advani’s recent remarks that he was not aware about Mr. Singh going to
In an interview, Mr. Advani had said: “I wouldn’t know that [Singh is going]. He [Singh] must have consulted [the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari] Vajpayeeji... I don’t think I am answerable for that. If the CCS had taken the decision, I would have been answerable but it did not.”
So, LK Advani is clear that CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) has NOT TAKEN the decision. However, this is what Jaswant Singh has to say:
“It was a decision of the Cabinet Committee on Security,” Mr. Singh told reporters here when asked about the then External Affairs Minister accompanying three terrorists to
It is clear to all of us, the readers with minimum commonsense, that Jaswant Singh and LK Advani do not have same story; that they are not on the same page regarding this issue; that they are in disagreement. However, this is what Jaswant Singh has to say:
“Do you expect me to refute what Advaniji has said? How can I say that my leader [Advani] is not correct? How can the leader be wrong? Whatever he is saying is correct,” Mr. Singh said.
“How can the leader be wrong?”
Can you believe that?
I don’t, but many Indians do believe that a leader can never be wrong. That’s also the reason why many people in
In reality, no leader is infallible. They have their idiosyncrasies, just like all other human beings. They are human and are fallible. But most Indians think otherwise. They think their leaders are gods. But they don’t know that even gods are not infallible. According to Indian mythology, most of our gods are conniving, deceitful, scheming, cheating, seducing, lying little rascals.
And when we see the inconsistency so glaringly, why don’t we admit there is inconsistency?
Many Indians also think: “How can my motherland be wrong?” and hence they support every ignominious act committed in the name of patriotism.
They also think: “How can my elders be wrong?” and endure all kinds of humiliation and subjugation, all their lives.
They also think: “How can my ancestors be wrong?” and thus promote sati, untouchability, caste system and ill-treatment of women in the name of upholding Bharat Sanskruti.
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They must find it difficult.. those who take authority as truth, rather than the truth as authority.
ReplyDeleteAll this ass kissing -ironically- will come back to bite us in the ass.
Sujai is our leader and Sujai is wrong :)
ReplyDeleteWho are these many Indians you are talking about? All your articles smack of some superiority complex. And in all of them you have generalized 'Indians' to be like a bunch of idiots who blindly follow some politicians or are all superstitious etc. I take offense to the fact that you keep painting us like that.
ReplyDeleteBut I have to agree that the reason I read your blog is because it sometimes have a different point of view from mine and that helps me understand other views. Your articles makes sense, your points are valid, but the way you put it across is demeaning to a large number of fellow Indians.
And in all of them you have generalized 'Indians' to be like a bunch of idiots who blindly follow some politicians or are all superstitious etc.
ReplyDeletebut the way you put it across is demeaning to a large number of fellow Indians.
Don't say that Roshan!!Answer from Sujai will be: read my article "Peevish Indians"...and more u comment on this more u prove my point..Grow up and come to the world of maturity!!
I am accustomed to these answers from Sujai but he never thinks in the other way round.Acc. to him he is the one and only matured guy in this Bunch of "I.... Indians".
Vicky
Roshan:
ReplyDeleteWho are these many Indians you are talking about?
These are the everyday Indians that surround me. In fact, they deluge me.
All your articles smack of some superiority complex.
I am sorry that you feel so inferior. My idea is not position myself superior.
And in all of them you have generalized 'Indians' to be like a bunch of idiots who blindly follow some politicians or are all superstitious etc.
Yes. Let me make it clear once again. I find most Indians quite idiotic. Not because of a biological or genetic defect, but only because they have consciously chosen NOT to use their super massive brain.
I take offense to the fact that you keep painting us like that.
No apologies there.
You can start a blog elsewhere where you portray Indians in a different light.
…but the way you put it across is demeaning to a large number of fellow Indians.
I am hoping they will get a bit mature and start dealing with criticism of their idols and cherished beliefs.
Vicky:
ReplyDeleteI am accustomed to these answers from Sujai but he never thinks in the other way round.
What is the ‘other way round’ thinking that you are suggesting? What did Roshan say to counter my argument other than just protest?
Yes, I understand that you feel bad when I group Indians into one monolithic group and call them Idiots. I cannot help you there. You might have known by now that 'feeling bad' is not a good enough reason on this blog.
Also, just to help you clear up some confusion – I use the following terms in this order-
All, Most, Many, Some, Few, in the decreasing order. There is a difference in proportions when I use the sentences like:
All Indians are Idiots.
Most Indians are Idiots.
Many Indians are Idiots.
Some Indians are Idiots.
Few Indians are Idiots.
sujai said:
ReplyDeleteI don’t, but many Indians do believe that a leader can never be wrong. That’s also the reason why many people in India think that honesty is an integral attribute of a leader. Also, they think that a leader is infallible.
I disagree with this. Most people whom I have come across know that they are voting for a corrupt leader. They do it because they think he/she is the lesser evil when compared to other opposing parties or because they are voting for someone from their own caste. They do it not because they think the leader is infallible but because they know that a guy from the same caste will most likely represent them better. Most people aren't as simple minded as you think.
Also people like Jaswant Singh are hard core cynics.( Most politicians are.) Do you think this guy actually believes what he says? He used the leader line to extricate himself out of the controversy, that's all. Adwani is obviously lying and Jaswant doesn't want to publicly declare that. These people get away with all this because the press is not vigilant enough.
sujai said:
“How can my ancestors be wrong?” and thus promote sati, untouchability, caste system and ill-treatment of women in the name of upholding Bharat Sanskruti.
This does apply to some Indians. However most Indians who are opposed to reservations and upliftment of women are the ones who are benefited by the propagation of such sytems(like the caste system). That is why they do not want to change the status quo. And shrouding those oppositions in the name of Bharat sanskruti and cultural heritage is very convenient for them. Now they can also portray themselves as protectors of the Indian culture, whatever that maybe.
Rags:
ReplyDeleteThanks for the inputs.
I was not referring to politicians (when I was referring to leaders). I was referring to the people’s definition of a ‘leader’ in a general sense. My observations are from recent Lead India episode where people started to define leadership in their own words, and from other discussions. My observations are also from the corporate world where leadership is always a sought-after attribute.
Do you think this guy actually believes what he says? He used the leader line to extricate himself out of the controversy, that's all.
Well, he might have.
But he was playing to audience who would agree with him – ‘How can the leader be wrong?’ is a notion that he is playing to.
Its like saying, ‘I am not aspiring for the position of PM’, thus playing the ‘sacrifice’ card which many people admire. May be, people like you and I may not believe it, but the politician who said this is definitely playing to the audience who would agree.
I am sorry that you feel so inferior. My idea is not position myself superior.
ReplyDeleteSuch grand humility. I am touched.
All, Most, Many, Some, Few, in the decreasing order.
ReplyDeleteHmmm..In one of ur BLOG u said "Welcome to land of Idiots".Now to which categroy I shud consider this sentence?
-Vicky
"Do you expect me to refute what Advaniji has said? How can I say that my leader [Advani] is not correct? How can the leader be wrong? Whatever he is saying is correct,” Mr. Singh said."
ReplyDeleteSujai, did you stop to consider that Jaswant Singh was being sarcastic? Yes! It might come as a surprise to you, but few, no..many of the leaders that us Indians elect do understand and can be sarcastic!
I did not say I feel inferior because of what you write. I just said you write with an air of superiority complex...you think everybody around you is inferior and do not have a brain to think!
Thirdly, you said "these" Indians deluge you, are every where around you. I really don't know where you live in India..which remote village are you in? I've been to a a few places in the country, heard them talk and seen their attitude. All...no, most of them do not follow someone blindly, they do not think a leader is never wrong. WE may not be as smart as you, but we do know that our leaders are humans and do make mistakes.
It's time you travelled around the country and interact with your fellow citizens, talk to them and listen to them with and OPEN mind. Maybe it'll help broaden your really narrow view of things!
Roshan, you're arguing with the king of generalizations here. You might have better luck playing a been in front of a buffalo. :)
ReplyDelete-chirkut
Roshan,
ReplyDeleteam an occasional reader. If you ignore the broad generalizations and tone, you get good posts like "Dethroning Our Masters".
i have come to realize this sweeping categorizaton (deluged by idiots etc) is something this author simply cannot control. The reach of some of his very valid commentary is self-limited by this tone and its something he seems to be okay with*
So let it ride and take only the good stuff :-) W.r.t this post, the point abt following our traditions almost blindly is good stuff.
regards,
Jai
* on comment threads, he now appears to even enjoy it and that IS worrying. If he gets any more rarefied, the good posts will also start to sound like Sujai_on_commment_threads and that will really clamp this blog. sigh.