Friday, January 14, 2011

Telangana 73: Are we condemned to repeat history?

The current generation in India looks at history as a list of milestones without knowing the details behind achieving those milestones, running the risk of repeating the mistakes of their forefathers. Are there lessons to be learnt from our histories?  Are we missing out on the most important lessons by not paying enough attention to our past? 

Indian history is replete with precedents which can guide us in making mature decisions.  It is unfortunate that Srikrishna Committee spent nearly eleven months in this region but did not make efforts to understand the underlying theme of this mass movement. It is also sad that this committee did not look at the precedents from Indian history to address the issues of this region.

Unlike what many Andhras would like us to believe, there was indeed a precedent where a region having the capital city wanted to become a separate state and eventually won the statehood with the capital city.   The conditions of those times are so uncannily similar that it is surprising that this Committee given such a huge responsibility on deciding the fate of thirty-five million people did not look into the historical documents to check on these precedents.


Samyukta Maharashtra Movement

During the time when Andhra State was being merged with Telangana in 1956, there was another clamour for a separate state, being voiced by Maharashtrians in Bombay State. They started Samyukta Maharashtra Movement demanding a separate state for Marathi speaking people, away from the business class community of Gujarathis. 

At that time, the city of Bombay was an internationally renowned city.  Built by British, it was a bustling financial and trading center, cosmopolitan in character, home to various groups and identities, not very dissimilar to Hyderabad of present times.  Gujarathis laid claim to the city, saying that they invested heavily into the city, built the city, and that they have a heavy presence in the city, that Marathis were in minority in the city, that their community would not be secure if Marathis were to get hold of the city, and they almost succeeded in weaning this city away from Maharashtrians.  

Today, nobody doubts the economic viability of Bombay (Mumbai), or nobody doubts if it does indeed belong to Marathis.  Nobody doubts if Gujarathis in Bombay are safe or if Bombay lost its gleam or charm or its cosmopolitan nature.   Bombay thrives as a great Indian city, belonging to every Indian as much as it belongs to Maharashtrians.  And yet, 50 years ago, this city faced the same onslaught from Gujarathis for grabbing it for themselves  the way Hyderabad faces it from Seemandhra settlers. 

The only difference why things worked out relatively easier for Maharashtrians and city of Bombay is that Gujarathis did not put up a fight to further their selfish interests as stiff as Seemandhras currently do; and also because Maharashtrians did not have to a put up with an intellectually dishonest and intellectually inept set of recommendations like that of SKC Report.

City of Bombay

Quite similar to what is unfolding in today’s Andhra Pradesh, the city of Bombay became the bone of contention between Maharashtrians and Gujarathi community living in Bombay.  While the Maharashtrians claimed Bombay as a part of Maharashtra, ‘economic and political elite’ living in the city expressed unfounded fears that Bombay would lose out and decline under the leadership of Marathis who were seen as unsophisticated people of ‘rural hinterland’.  Gujarati industrialists formed ‘Bombay Citizens Committee’ and lobbied for Bombay's independent status.

In 1955, a political leader from Bombay wanted the city to be constituted as an autonomous city-state to preserve its ‘cosmopolitan character’, and said “Maharashtra will not get Bombay for the next 5,000 years.”  Thousands of Marathi protestors converged at Flora Fountain to march towards Council Hall but were stopped by the police who killed 15 people.  But the pressure from Gujarathi businessmen prevailed.  Bombay was given a Union Territory status under the central rule in a clear departure from the recommendations of States Reorganization Committee (SRC) report.  In 1956, massive agitations took place in Bombay in which nearly 80 people were killed by the police.

An organization called Samyukta Maharashtra Samiti was formed out of an existing outfit, which led the movement.   After four years of struggle, Maharashtra state was formed on 1 May 1960 with Bombay as its capital, ending the Union Territory status for the city. 

Though we take it for granted now that Bombay always belonged to Maharashtra and it seems logical why it is so, back then many ridiculous arguments were raised by Gujarathis and other elite in the city that held sway for a certain period of time.   Here's an analysis of the arguments from nearly 50 years ago

Ground for the exclusion of Bombay from Maharashtra
24. The arguments urged in favour of separating Bombay from Maharashtra are set out below:
 (3) The Marathi-speaking people do not form a majority of the population of the City of Bombay. 
(4) Gujarathis have been old residents of Bombay. 
(5) Bombay is a trade centre for vast areas outside Maharashtra. Therefore, Bombay cannot be claimed by Maharashtra. It belongs to the whole of India.
(6) It is the Gujarathi speaking people of Bombay who have built up the trade and industry of Bombay. The Maharashtrians have been only clerks and coolies. It would be wrong to place the owners of trade and industry under the political dominance of the working classes who form the bulk of Maharashtrians. 

The arguments of the present day crisis in Telangana are not really different from those of this past.  Andhras and non-Telangana elite of Hyderabad claim that Telangana people are a minority in Hyderabad, that Hyderabad is built by energetic, hard-working, enterprising Andhra and other elite settlers, calling Telangana people, drunkards, lazy and labour class. 

In that past, Bombay remained a part of Maharashtra.  Sanity prevailed over irrationality, greed, and arrogance.  Intellectual maturity prevailed over intellectual dishonesty.  Maharashtrians should thank Providence that they did not have an adversary like Seemandhras.  They should consider themselves lucky that they didn’t have to put up with intellectually inept people like Srikrishna Committee members.

Here is the argument that is presented on why Bombay remained with Maharashtra and not with Gujarat or as a Union Territory.  These arguments prevailed and led to a successful state called Maharashtra and a successful city called Mumbai thereby setting a precedent. 

Bombay is part of Maharashtra because of geography
…how could Bombay be not to be a part of Maharashtra? This is an incontrovertible fact of nature. Geography has made Bombay part of Maharashtra. Let those who want to challenge the fact of nature do so. To an unbiased mind it is conclusive proof that Bombay belongs to Maharashtra.

Bombay is part of Maharashtra even if Marathis are minority in Bombay
...assuming that (Marathis form a minority in Bombay), what of it? What conclusion can be drawn from it? Does it defeat the claim of Maharashtra to include Bombay? Ever since the British became the masters of India, India has been one country with a right to free movement from place to place. If people from all parts of India were allowed to come to Bombay and settle there, why should the Maharashtrians suffer? It is not their fault. The present state of the population cannot therefore be a ground for excluding Bombay from Maharashtra.

Are Gujarathis Natives Of Bombay?

…the Gujarathis did not come to Bombay to trade on the basis of free and equal competition with other traders. They came as privileged persons with certain trading rights given to them exclusively by the East India Company.

Bombay will remain an Emporium of India

35. That Bombay is an emporium for the whole of India may be admitted. But it is difficult to understand how it can be said that because of this, Maharashtra cannot claim Bombay. Every port serves a much larger area than the country to which it belongs. No one, on that account, can say the country in which the port is situated cannot claim it as a part of its territory. Switzerland has no port. It uses either German, Italian or French Ports. Can the Swiss therefore deny the right of Germany, Italy or France, the territorial rights of their ports?  Why then should Maharashtrians be denied the right to claim Bombay merely because it serves as a port for Provinces other than Maharashtra ? It would be different if the Province of Maharashtra were to get a right to close the Port to Non-Maharashtrians. Under the constitution, it will not have that right. Consequently, the inclusion of Bombay in Maharashtra will not affect the right of non-Maharashtrians to use the port as before.

Gujarathis--owners of Trade and Industry of Bombay
38. But who have built up the trade and industry of Bombay seems quite irrelevant to the decision of the issue whether Bombay should or should not be included in Maharashtra. This argument based on monopoly of trade and industry is really a political argument. It means that the owners may rule the workers but the workers must not be allowed to rule the owners. Those who use this argument do not seem to know what they are up against. The one thing they are up against is whether this argument is to be confined only to the City of Bombay or whether it is to have a general application.

Will Gujarathis be discriminated in Bombay?
(i) That Maharashtra is not the only place in which such a situation can arise. It may arise in any province. In Bihar the land in which coal is found belongs to the people of Bihar. But the coal-owners are Gujarathis, Kathiawaris or Europeans. Is there no possibility of Biharis making a discrimination against Gujarathi and Kathiawari coal-owners? Are the coalfields of Bihar to be excluded from the Province of Bihar and constituted into a separate Province in the interest of Kathiawari and Gujarathi coal-owners?
(ii) The constitution of India has noted the possibility of discrimination being made against a minority and has made more than ample provision for preventing it. There are fundamental rights. There are the provisions against discrimination; there are the provisions of payment of compensation, and there are the High Courts with the inherent rights to issue high prerogative writs both against individuals and Governments to stop any harm, injustice or harassment being done to any citizen. What more protection do the Gujarathi traders and industrialists of Bombay want against the possibility of discrimination?

The aim behind Greater Bombay
65. This doubt regarding viability of Bombay Province is heightened by the indecent haste shown by the Government of Bombay in creating Greater Bombay by including within the limits of Bombay the adjoining parts of Maharashtra. It seems that the object of including such area cannot but be to make Bombay viable. What else can it be? So long as Bombay remained part of Maharashtra it did not matter to Maharashtrians In which administrative area a portion of Maharashtra was included. But when Bombay is to be a separate Province it will take a long time to make Maharashtrians part with their territory to make Bombay greater and viable.  What is more important is the scheme of greater Bombay casts responsibility upon the Linguistic Provinces Commission to decide whether they could, with justice force Maharashtrians not only to submit to the demand of the Gujarathis to give up Bombay but also to submit to their further demand to hand over a part of territory of Maharashtra to make Bombay a viable Province. The Commission cannot escape this responsibility.
66. Maharashtra and Bombay are not merely inter-dependent, they are really one and integral. Severance between the two would be fatal to both. The sources of water and electricity for Bombay lie in Maharashtra. The intelligentsia of Maharashtra lives in Bombay. To sever Bombay from Maharashtra would be to make the economic life of Bombay precarious and to dissociate the masses of Maharashtra from its intelligentsia without whose lead the masses of Maharashtra will be nowhere.

It is said: 
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
George Santayana

Srikrishna Committee Report recommends Option 6 which if followed would be nothing but a rerun of the disastrous history of the last fifty-four years once again in Telangana.  The report prescribes ‘constitutional guarantees’ for the region of Telangana without realizing that this region was merged with Andhra state in 1956 on a set of constitutional guarantees enshrined in Gentlemen’s Agreement and protected by Article 371 D of Indian Constitution. All of them stand failed.   The report also prescribes a ‘regional council’ not realizing that the choice of words has an eerie similarity with the one in 1956 called ‘regional standing committee’.  This smacks of intentional and malevolent arrogance- that one could actually condemn people of Telangana into repeating an inglorious history of servitude, suppression and discrimination.  In no other modern nation would you subject the victim to the same suffering from which he seeks redress.

Srikrishna Committee Report then recommends Option 4 and Option 2 which if followed would convert Hyderabad city into a Union Territory, thereby depriving this region of its prized possession, going against all precedents Indian history prescribes.  One of these options strips many lands from Telangana and adds it to this Union Territory including the most vital irrigations projects thereby exacerbating the injustice done to this region.  Both these options try to recreate the failed experiment of running Bombay as Union Territory.

In short, Srikrishna Committee Report egged on by the greed of certain Seemandhra leaders and activists condemns this region to repeat the grave mistakes from our Indian history. 

Fortunately for Telangana, its activists remember their past quite well and therefore are not ready to be condemned into repeating it.  Just because the Srikrishna Committee, composed of a judge, a bureaucrat, an economist, and a social scientist and now a days referred to as ‘a bunch of bullshitters’ chose not to read their histories, Telangana people are not ready to be punished for their ignorance.

 They reject the SKC Report and its recommended option and instead choose to follow the precedent set by Maharashtra in 1960. They chose to form a separate Telangana state with Hyderabad as its capital. 

Hyderabad belongs to Telangana

There are some precedents available from Indian history- one of them is the story of Maharashtra and the city of Bombay.  The region which demanded separation was eventually given the capital city.  Experiments of trying to make the capital city as a Union Territory failed.   The claims made by the traders, industrialists and businessmen that they own the city stand discredited.  The unfounded fears that people living in the city would be targeted have disappeared to make Bombay a truly cosmopolitan city of India.  Many Gujarathis continue to migrate to Mumbai and it is now the home of even Ambani brothers. The fears that the city would decline, that it would lose its sheen, because it would be run by the unsophisticated and rustic people from the hinterland have vanished and instead Bombay thrives as financial and business capital of India. 

The verdict is pretty clear.  Bombay belongs to Maharasthra in spite of all opposing arguments.

Indians should learn from these lessons.  Hyderabad will be part of Telangana.  Any attempt to make it a Union Territory to deny the people of this region this capital city is bound to fail.  Hyderabad will be home to people of all regions and will retain its cosmopolitan character even if the state is run by the so-called ‘unsophisticated’ people of Telangana.   It will continue to thrive as a modern city inviting businessmen from the world over

Recently I saw a large poster in Hyderabad facing the Hussain Sagar Lake.  It reads:

Hyderabad belongs to Telangana.  Telangana belongs to India.  Hyderabad belongs to all Indians.

Links: [1], [2]

162 comments:

  1. @ Sujai

    Please take a look at this statement from Ambedkar on the same topic

    "While the case of Maharashtra is as strong as steel there are some points on the other side which they must not fail to consider in their anger.
    They want Bombay to be within Maharashtra. But the question which they must consider is: What do they want ? Do they want prosperous Bombay or do they want decadent Bombay ? Can Bombay be prosperous under Maharashtra ? This in other words means : can Maharashtra provide the capital necessary for the growing trade and industry of the City ? No Maharashtrian can answer this question in the affirmative. The Maharashtrians may be able to supply the need for capital after a course of years. But certainly not now.
    The second point is : what would be the effect on the standard of living of Maharashtrians living in Bombay if the City's prosperity declines either by flight of capital or removal of business houses. The Maharashtrians must not forget, however it may hurt their pride, that they are a nation of clerks and coolies. What employment can they get in a declining city ?


    Do you see ,Ambedkar had no problem in admitting that at that point maharsatrians were only clerks and coolies? He didnt think that admitting that fact hurts the maratha pride. And there is no greater maratha than himself.(with exception of Sivaji)

    So ask the same questions yourself

    Do you want prosperous Hyd or do you want decadent Hyd ? Can Hyd be prosperous under telangana ( likely to go into naxal hands as per SKC) ?

    And what would happen to TG if Hyd declines , you know it is your major revenue generator. So think about that aspect.

    Link :http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/05C.%20Thoughts%20on%20Linguistic%20States%20PART%20III.htm

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  2. This is what Gandhi wrote on Industrialization:

    ;-)

    Industrialization is, I am afraid, going to be a curse for mankind.

    The future of industrialism is dark.

    I do not believe that industrialization is necessary in any case for any country. It is much less so for India. Indeed, I believe that Independent India can only discharge her duty towards a groaning world by adopting a simple but ennobled life by developing her thousands of cottages and living at peace with the world. High thinking is inconsistent with complicated material life based on high speed imposed on us by Mammon worship. All the graces of life are possible only when we learn the art of living nobly.

    God forbid that India should ever take to industrialism after the manner of the West. The economic imperialism of a single tiny island kingdom (England) is to day keeping the world in chains. If an entire nation of 300 millions took to similar economic exploitation, it would strip the world bare like locusts. (20-12-1928)

    I have the conviction within me that when all these achievements of the machine age will have disappeared, these our handicrafts will remain; when all exploitations will have ceased, service and honest labour will remain. It is because this faith sustains me that I am going on with my work. (30-11-1935)

    [There is a lesson lurking in there: that some great men stand corrected after their times.]

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  3. Do you want prosperous Hyd or do you want decadent Hyd ? Can Hyd be prosperous under telangana


    History answers these questions in case of Bombay.

    That's the point of this article: That our unfounded fears (even if it is from Mr. Ambedkar himself) are no good reasons for holding back creation of states or including the capital cities inside them.

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    1. True. Hyderabad should be braought back to its glory. For this
      (1)demolish Teleugu Lalita Kala Toranam (2) Remove all statues on Tank Bund (3) Bring-back Pan chewing and Spitting. Especially the last one is most important as it is this Culture Icon which we are loosing today. In the Nostalgic days before 1985 the Hyderabad MCH buildings inside walls were very nicely decorate with the pawn spittings done very artistically by Muslim elite and real owners of Hyderabad. This artistic treasure is now hidden by the charmless NTR by constructing some hindu like structures. These should immedaitely be demolished and in fact KCR should establish free pawn supplying kiosks all along Hyderabad roads to rebeutify our Great City.

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  4. "[There is a lesson lurking in there: that some great men stand corrected after their times.]"

    There is a lesson there for you also. Just because there is a precedent , we need not follow a course of action. This is not 1960 ,This is 2011. Many laws were changed between now and then ,Constitution was amended many times. Every issue needs to be looked upon its individual merit.

    Andhras have invested 50 plus years of taxes ,investements, emotion & energy into Hyd. They will require their rightful share in separation is imminent.

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  5. "
    That's the point of this article: That our unfounded fears (even if it is from Mr. Ambedkar himself) are no good reasons for holding back creation of states or including the capital cities inside them."

    Funnily ,you dont remember that lies(disproved facts),hatred cannot be the basis for creation of states.

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  6. Sujai makes it sound as if there was no separate Gujarat movement.

    There was and that is why the solution worked out that way.

    But here we have a United AP movement.

    So there lies all the difference.

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  7. This article is contrived and cherry picking in terms of its argument. There are points to take into considerations.

    1. Gujarati and Marathi are two different languages.

    2. Gujarat and Maharashtra did not merge with an agreement by their respective assemblies.

    3. The Bombay presidency did not have a representative democracy which is there today since independence so everyone has their representatives.

    4. Gujaratis are in a minority vis-a-vis Maharashtrians.

    5. Gujaratis wanted a separate state and therefore the things rolled out the way it rolled out.

    6. Ambedkar also wanted Hyderabad to be a second capital for India.

    7. AP has a United AP campaign which is very different compared to the separate Gujarat and Maharashtra movements.

    History does not get reinstated. It moves ahead and forms a new one. That's why the Option 4 is what is right with an eventual statehood.

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  8. SKC once again proves right. He said naxals are likely to gain in TG state. See what a survey done by IMRB & TOI in TG districts prove.


    "The survey was conducted, therefore, in five districts of the Telengana region Adilabad, Nizamabad, Karimnagar, Warangal and Khammam. These districts were chosen not only because they were till recently severely Naxal-affected, but also because of their proximity to current hotbeds in Chattisgarh and Maharashtra.



    Almost 60% said the Naxalites were good for the area and only 34% felt life had improved since they were beaten back. As for whether exploitation has increased after the Naxalite influence waned, 48% said it had against 38% who said it hadn't, the rest offering no opinion.


    The towns in which the poll was conducted were Kamareddy in Nizamabad district, Gudi Hathnoor in Adilabad, Sirsilla in Karimnagar, Mahbubabad in Warangal and Palwancha in Khammam. A total of 521 people were polled in these five towns, a statistically robust sample size.

    link : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/58-in-AP-say-Naxalism-is-good-finds-TOI-poll/articleshow/6639631.cms

    The title is a bit misleading ,but once you go through the contents ,it becomes clear how much sympathy naxals have in TG

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  9. Sujai,

    analogies and precedents are useful only up to some point.
    Please grow up a bit and think like a man.

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  10. correction : Okay , the survey about naxal sympathy in TG is actually 4 months old and was done in month of september 2010.

    It suddenly came up in TOI homepage today ,so i thought it was recent.

    Anyway ,it still supports SKC's views on naxal growth in TG

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  11. NDTV:Andhra water wars: Telangana farmers feel neglected

    External Link:
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/andhra-water-wars-telangana-farmers-feel-neglected-78498?pfrom=home-India

    Mahbubnagar ( Telangana region): On the New Year's Eve, a day after the Srikrishna Committee on Telangana had submitted its report to the Union government, Venkataiah hanged himself to death. His borewells and crops had repeatedly failed, debts mounted and hope had perished.

    "I have five children. The borewell failed. We have more than 3-4 lakh rupees in debt,'' said Chandrakala, Venkataiah's widow.

    The irony is that this happened in a village in Mahbubnagar district through which the Krishna River enters Andhra Pradesh. The waters of the river are used to irrigate coastal districts while Mahbubnagar remains perennially drought-prone. One reason why Mahbubnagar district has had a history of maximum number of migrations in search of livelihood options.

    Over 70 per cent of the catchment area of both the Krishna and Godavari rivers falls in Telangana, yet it is the coastal belt that reaps most of the benefit. The connection between sharing of waters and prosperity is not lost on anyone.

    "They have good water, good crops, so parents can educate their children. Here we don't have irrigated land, no water, so no surplus for any development. We remain backward. They are far advanced,'' said a farmer from the area.

    The so called disparity in terms of financial conditions is one of the main reasons behind the resentment when leaders like Chandrababu Naidu and Jaganmohan Reddy sit on hunger-strikes demanding justice for farmers in coastal Andhra region, who would have otherwise harvested a bumper crop but for unprecedented rains and flood.

    "When floods come there, our wealth is diverted there. They take our water, our electricity, and become rich landlords,'' said Sreeramulu , another farmer from Mahbubnagar.

    Now, after Chandrababu Naidu and Jaganmohan Reddy's hunger-strike Jaganmohan Reddy is sitting on a one-day fast in Delhi to protest the injustice to Andhra farmers after the Krishna Water Tribunal's decision.

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  12. You are drew an inane and an anachronistic analogy.The simple fact is bifurcation of linguistic states and not creation .Bombay province was a composite state.You cannot draw the parallel to Telangana agitation now.Whereas AP was formed on basis of language and merger of two regions based on that.

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  13. Bombay province was a composite state.You cannot draw the parallel to Telangana agitation now.

    Andhra Pradesh is a failed experiment resulting from merger of two pre-existing states. The experiment failed, AP govt. failed to uphold many agreements, GOs and Presidential and Supreme Court rulings.

    A De-merger is on the cards.

    Linguistic states proposed by the first SRC did evaluate Telangana region under a different light even back then.

    The "linguistic states" formula is a bogus one as there are multiple hindi-speaking states in the country. There can be more than one telugu speaking states along the same lines.

    The analogy of Hyderabad to Bombay is an apt one.

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  14. Stir, My Beloved Country

    Water, self-respect, opportunity – SAMRAT CHAKRABARTI tracks all the reasons why the Telangana movement has become a passionate roar on the ground.

    http://www.tehelka.com/story_main43.asp?filename=Ne200210stir_my.asp

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  15. TELANGANA X:The Good, Bad & Ugly of National Media Coverage
    Telangana movement in its latest phase has been the most widespread, democratic and non-violent people's movement in this country since Indian Independence. Some captured it in its bellowing spirit while some journalists instead of seeing this as an opportunity to show-case this nation's democratic ideals, ignorantly and narrow-mindedly misreported and ended up consolidating the distrust and reaffirming the fears Telanganites have that they are outnumbered and outweighed even in media.

    Here is a brief look at the good, bad and the ugly of that coverage.

    The Good:
    The very independent Tehelka too took the roads in Telangana to gauge the mood in 'Stir, My Beloved Country'. Samrat Chakrabarti, who earlier wrote an investigative article on Bt.Brinjal did this observant piece on the latest phase of Telangana movement .

    The Hindu came up with this wonderful article 'World through homogenous frames' on the democratic spirit in the OU student movement. In contrast to the hare-brained interpretations by most in mainstream media on how the students movement is becoming a threat to law & order and democratic rule, the article analyzes how the students in fact embraced the democratic values of this country and how they seek to find shelter or withhold them as and when required. Thanks for the Anon who shared this link with me on this blog.

    EPW, as discussed earlier, went on the Telangana trail. This is a fantastic piece that captures the magnitude and the mood of the movement.

    The Bad:
    NDTV's TS Sudhir's close-mindedness is amusing. Even while events of unheard magnitudes erupt around for the cause of Telangana, he was inexplicably indifferent. Not that he didn't get the feedback. Look at the pic here :)

    TS Sudhir's profile on NDTV reads 'He has reported extensively on politics, Naxalism,..and is one of the senior most television journalists in the country today'. It was a shame to see this 'senior' produce literally nothing on the claims of Telangana advocates even when they seem to have succeeded dividing this state. Instead, this is the gem he produced - "Even KCR does not believe he is the right vehicle (for achieving Telangana). His party's symbol is the ambassador car but he doesn't travel in one himself". Maybe the 'senior' journalist thinks Chandrababu goes cycling to the assembly and his Heritage offices and that Mayawati rides an elephant everyday on public and private businesses! Another gem - "I watched with horror as students at Osmania University in Hyderabad turned virtually into monsters". Yeah, you read it right. He calls OU students monsters. How could he say renaming Kadapa after YSR is apt as YSR, according to him, is its most famous son and then call OU students monsters because he thinks they are violent! And yes, he labels himself journalist, sorry a senior journalist.

    The Ugly:
    Well, enough has been said. Shaik Ahmed Ali of CNN-IBN has been a revelation.

    In contrast, an alien NY Times (I & II) and Al Zajeera (I & II) did better, reporting things as they were which much of our own mainstream national media failed to do. We should just hope independent journals/magazines like EPW and Tehelka continue to write, debate and spread awareness about aspirations of people in this vast country and not let their genuine and democratic struggles go unnoticed and thereby alienating them from the ideals India professes to practice. After all, the measure of success of any democracy is the number of people's movements that blossom in it and not the absence of them.


    http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com/2010/04/telangana-xthe-good-bad-ugly-of.html

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  16. Quote:
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    They will require their rightful share in separation is imminent."

    If that is your intension, I wonder what is about 'United Andhra' crap?

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  17. External Link:
    http://tehelka.com/story_main48.asp?filename=Ne220111WhatSrikrishna.asp

    TEHELKA: What the Srikrishna report missed on Telangana

    BY ROHINI MOHAN & SAMRAT CHAKRABARTI


    IN LATE 2009, a question was asked, with fire and blood, across Andhra Pradesh’s northwestern Telangana region. One year later, it seems a whole other question has been answered. When the Srikrishna Commission (SKC) was set up last February, its mandate was to identify the root causes that fuelled the 60-year-old movement for a separate state of Telangana, and recommend ways to address these issues. While the report, submitted on the last day of 2010, makes six recommendations, it has only scratched the surface of why 10 districts in the fourth largest state in the country have been screaming to break away.

    In Telangana’s Adilabad district, 350 km from Hyderabad, residents of Anandpur village gather under a banyan tree. In the keen silence that descends, cotton farmer Raja Reddy, 52, speaks, “Imagine you have three sons who fight each other all day, every day. As a father, your first response is to pacify and make them understand. But after the fifth, when the fighting doesn’t stop, the sensible choice left is to divide your estate into three and let them go their separate ways.”

    However, Raja has never felt like he was part of the AP family. The conversation under the banyan tree keeps returning to how the people of Telangana have nothing in common with coastal Andhra and Rayalseema, the other two regions of the state. When the Telangana movement was reignited through student agitations in December 2009, it defined itself as an identity movement, a call for “self-respect”. The movement has waxed and waned since before the 1956 merger of Telangana with AP, but never died down. Alongside it, influenced by it, evolved a political culture in Telangana. So much so that today, to sever the three elements of the movement — identity, economy and politics — is to glean a half-truth. But this is exactly what the report has done.

    The report presents 461 pages of largely economic arguments disproving Telangana’s claim of backwardness. Often, it says, “There are a few crucial indicators on which Telangana is lagging behind.” But the statehood demand is deeply political, wound in narratives of “perceived injustice”, as the SKC itself calls it, and an unshakeable anger against discrimination from other regions. By stating Telangana has been the fastest growing region and Rayalseema is worse off than Telangana, the report painstakingly debunks the claim of poverty in Telangana, but it doesn’t devote the same thoroughness to the identity question. In doing so, the report presents an economic solution to a political problem.

    In Dipaiguda, Bheema Reddy, 49, a cotton farmer and mandal Congress president, offers an instance of the politicisation. “Since all the power is with the Andhra lobby, nothing gets done here. Take the Penganga inter-state irrigation project, which could have changed our lives. MLAs, including the present one, have been trying for the past 20 years to get it going, but nothing has moved because he doesn’t have enough clout.”

    It’s not just the lack of projects but also the differential response to needs that irks them. “In Andhra, if a coconut tree falls, they get Rs. 4,000 as crop insurance. Here, we get Rs. 300,” says Perkugudda resident M Linganna. When the state lost last year’s harvest to floods, the government reacted swiftly in Andhra. “The interest on their loans was waived and they got reasonable crop loss coverage. Here, we are yet to see a paisa,” he says.

    Contd...

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  18. ...Continued from previous comment.

    The crowds that gather to discuss Telangana respond to an often repeated statement in the SKC report: the movement is primarily the doing of frustrated youth and poor Dalits whose disaffection at unemployment and backwardness respectively has been cynically exploited by an opportunistic political class to fuel a divide between Telangana and the rest of AP. “But the discrimination is real for us!” says Ravinder Reddy, 40. “Name one hero from Telangana in Telugu movies. It’s always the buffoons and villains who are from Telangana.” Raja adds, “Inter-marriages are very rare. Andhraites settled here prefer going 1,500 km back to Nellore to find a match. We only make good neighbours it seems, not good in-laws.”

    DID THE SKC ask these questions when they visited Adilabad? “They were here for an hour. They conducted meetings at the Collector’s office and went to a single village 3 km away,” says Ravinder. The mobilisation, albeit political, has reached wide and deep, and its arguments of injustice are today part of the Telangana people’s idea of who they are. This unquantifiable but crucial element of the movement finds no place in the report.

    But their economics might not be fully sound either. The SKC report doesn’t include any data from a 163-page report on the power sector in Telangana. K Raghu, executive engineer at AP Transmission Corporation, says that apart from factual errors about the location and establishment dates of hydel and thermal plants, the SKC report has “conveniently left out facts and documents we submitted to their technical expert VB Gupta”.

    The electricity report shows that the state government incurs an annual loss of Rs. 1,100 crore in transporting coal from Telangana to power stations in other regions, when economic logic points at building projects close to the fuel source. Out of 19 power projects coming up in the state, only three are in Telangana.

    Villagers describe a process of migration that finds no mention in the report. “Over the past 20 years, Andhraites have been migrating to Telangana, leasing and buying land,” says Ravinder. “Because of irrigation costs, agricultural land in Andhra is expensive. One acre would cost upwards of Rs. 1 crore. The best land in Adilabad costs Rs. 5 lakh. With more wealth and political connections, they are starting petrol pumps, real estate firms and cornering all infrastructure contracts.”

    If the report had focussed as much on the social mechanisms and politics underpinning the fight for resources as it did on the resources itself, it might have asked pertinent questions that would have gone a long way in understanding the aspirations of people on both sides of the divide. Instead, it remains a document about a region, not its people.

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  19. Telangana agitation is dying a slow death?

    http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id=26263&cat=15&scat=16

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  20. "If that is your intension, I wonder what is about 'United Andhra' crap?"

    I personally prefer option 4 to get rid of you whiners and at the same time maintain my rights on Hyd.

    Many in Andhra are for UA ,but they can be convinced for option 4 (if your leaders try). Option 5 will not be acceptable to them

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  21. Quotes from article in Hindu on SKC

    Link :http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/08/stories/2011010864951400.htm

    What stands out in the Srikrishna Committee's report is its sagacity in debunking, on the basis of facts, certain dubious and time-worn theories that were in circulation. The report showed that Rayalaseema, a region rich in mineral resources, was more backward than Telangana. The growth in per capita Gross District level Domestic Product (GDDP) between 2000-01 and 2007-08 was 58.4 per cent in all of Andhra Pradesh, while it was 63 per cent in Telangana including Hyderabad, 60.3 per cent excluding Hyderabad, 58 per cent in Rayalaseema and 54.1 per cent in Coastal Andhra.

    The Committee was pragmatic in acknowledging that the demand for Telangana was not unjustified. In fact, it did not flinch in saying that a separate Telangana state would be viable economically as its Gross Domestic State Product (GDP) would be above that of even smaller States such as Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh, though this was a neutral factor in its decision-making relating to Telangana. Telangana's per capita income would in fact be a notch higher than the all-India average.

    contd

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  22. The Andhra Pradesh government wants three more districts in the state to be added to the list of 33 areas declared as Naxal-affected by the Centre. While Khammam district is in the list, the state wants Visakhapatnam, Vizianagaram and Srikakulam, which share border with Orissa’s Malkangiri, Rayagada and Koraput districts, also to be included.

    The reason why the state wants this is that Maoists are using forest and tribal areas in these three districts as a safe haven while launching attacks in Orissa and Chhattisgarh.

    [Link]


    In a significant admission that Andhra Pradesh once again faces the threat of a Naxal resurgence, CM N Kiran Kumar Reddy has urged the Centre to declare the border districts of Srikakulam, Vizianagaram, Visakhapatnam, East Godavari, Adilabad, Karimnagar and Warangal as Naxal-affected. His plea also calls for central funds for these districts under the special development plan (SDP).

    As of now, Khammam and Visakhapatnam are identified as Naxal-affected,....

    [Link]

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  23. contd from Hindu article :

    The Committee put the record straight on the extent of support in Telangana for a bifurcation of the State. Strong pro-Telangana elements existed in Warangal, West Khammam, Nizamabad, Karimnagar, southern Adilabad, Siddipet area of Medak, parts of Nalgonda and Mahabubnagar and some areas of Ranga Reddy. The most vociferous and agitating sections were students, unemployed youth, lawyers and non-gazetted government employees.

    An appreciable segment of the population was neutral. It included the original population of Hyderabad; people living in villages bordering Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh, Karnataka, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema; people from the ‘settler' villages in the Telangana heartland (migrants from Andhra); and the migrant population in Hyderabad. A large section of the tribal people, particularly those belonging to the hill tribes, even favoured a separate State of ‘Manyaseeema' comprising parts of Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra.

    contd

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  24. contd :

    Also, the Committee placed on record what everyone knew but hesitated to articulate — the exploitation of educated youth by politicians, causing inter-regional and inter-community disaffection. The mismatch between the skills of many of the graduates with those required by employers, given the poor quality of private colleges (engineering colleges in particular), was resulting in graduates being able to find only low-paying jobs, or no jobs at all. Their frustration was being exploited by politicians, ascribing their problems to discrimination against the people of Telangana.

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  25. contd from Hindu article :

    The capital region of Brussels was, therefore, organised as a separate bilingual capital region with a separate administrative set-up and jurisdiction. However, Andhra Pradesh by and large has a common culture.

    Even Hindu doesnt accept your distinct culture

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  26. Quote:
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    Many in Andhra are for UA ,but they can be convinced for option 4"


    If so, why dont you try adding Krishna, guntur and Vijag to the option4, so that Telangana will have sea access. TG may convince for that.

    You seemandra came here with empty hands, used our well established city, now trying to take it for your own, when you see it is not possible, you try to grab more and more land from Telangana.

    Looks like there is no end of your looting...

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  27. Telangana is simmering now, u will here rumblings on 17th hiway rastaroko,21th OU garjana, KCR Will begin movement before 1st week of feb and the mount etna will erupt

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  28. Quote:
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    Even Hindu doesnt accept your distinct culture"

    First the statements, reports etc are engineered at Seemandra leaders mind, next day they talk to media and express it. Later what week there media write articles based on those leaders expressions by adding some more masala. Based on such news Seemandra leaders again fire on Telangana by adding some more masala. This is all come again in news paper, later that week media prepares another set of stories........

    This is how it goes, this is all a sponsored cycle. They can spend hundreds of crors from the looted money of thousands of crores.

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  29. "You seemandra came here with empty hands, used our well established city, now trying to take it for your own, when you see it is not possible, you try to grab more and more land from Telangana."

    yeah thats why we had to come and teach you farming , northies had to come and teach you business. Nizam didnt even allow you guys to step into Hyd city.

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  30. "Telangana is simmering now, u will here rumblings on 17th hiway rastaroko,21th OU garjana, KCR Will begin movement before 1st week of feb and the mount etna will erupt"

    oh ,i am shivering. Is it from cold or fear ?

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  31. @ Nameless...

    Nizam didnt even allow you guys to step into Hyd city.

    This is not true. You are trying to break, bend and re-write history to suit you.

    You are offending Telangana people with such statements. Keep the discussion to topics relevant to formation of Telangana. Your statements indicate you do not have any valid points to make.

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    1. Nameless. True You were nameless under Nizam. But where from you got the info he did not allow Seemandhras. He was not interested in any Hindu in hsi Region let alone seemandhras. So he let loose Razakars. He wanted only Muslims in hsi Territory. But Those muslims never wanted to do any work. particulalry agricultural work they dislike most. So he kept some of the fellows. All others he kicked out. They only became the so called Seemandhras. Who remained had to provide ladies for Nizam's army, and then they get children. Otherwise how do you explain African features in many telenganites including KCR. What is siddipet. Do you think it is on Buddhas name Siddhapet. No. It is Siddis of Africa who came as fighters with Muslims. Enjoy with Your MIM Asaduddin. One need not do research to find from where the hussainis and uddins and khans have sprung from.

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  32. @Greenstar@Lavanya@Telanganites


    Please dont waste your precious "time" and "energies" on Convincing people like "Nameless" Sure you can convince people when they have genuine Doubts, But History Has Proved that People in Position of Power will NEVER give up power voluntarily and you have to FIGHT for your RIGHTS. You cant change Andhra people like "nameless" By arguing with REASON or LOGIC, they are beyond logic.
    So I beg u Sincere Tvadis to Instead Concentrate your Energies on Strengthening the movement, May be on the street or on the Internet, JAC has come Up with a "PROTEST CALENDAR" and we have to stick with it. 17th is Highway Rastaroka, 21 is OU Garjana.

    Media is NOT on our side, so we have to beat it by Posting the articles on Telangana(they are few)
    on twitter of FB, we can Use Twitter to Organize Massive Protests Instantly or Provide Live Updates about agitation in OU.

    They want Us to be "violent" so that they can CRUSH us, we can be "violent" when IT is strategically Needed, But Patience is essential now.

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  33. "Even Hindu doesnt accept your distinct culture"


    When was the Hindu appointed as the country's authority to recognize or reject diverse cultures of India?

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  34. Quote:
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    yeah thats why we had to come and teach you farming , northies had to come and teach you business. Nizam didnt even allow you guys to step into Hyd city."


    You learned all that from your loved lord British, and may be teached us some. For that it is insane for you to stand like a God.

    You and I know know it is not ture that we are not allowed into HYD in Nizam time, but every one very well know that you are kicked out from Madras, and Rajaji said 'Get out Andhra dogs from Madras in 24hrs"

    I know you get angry and angry when you remember how Madras has treated you in your sendoff party.

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    1. Only prolem was that he himself was dog belonging to the same community. Why Rajagopalachari was like that is due to his enimity with Prakasam and Pattabhi. Not only he was less powerfull, but also belonged to a different community than Prakasam. That is the main reason. and he belonged to NEhru Group and Prakasam belonged to Gandhi Group. But You should know the Tamil jackals were given fitting reply by Andhras in Nellore. Even to this day the Tamil jackals remember that day. You seem to be knowing only half the happenings. And in Madras it was the Andhras who beatup the Tamils which forced nehru to agree for Separate state for Telugus. It is a different matter altogether that Nehru misunderstood Telugu of Andhras as same as Telengi of Yours. And even if so, who selects CMs in Congress. It is the High Command. If you need to blame you should blame High command Not Andhras.

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    2. You guys are the biggest jokers. It is well known fact that rajaji called you dogs and kicked you out people out of madras in 24 hours. And do you know that tamils didn't let even bury an andhrite dead body in madras soil. So, stop your idiotic lies.

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    3. I condemn rajaji for comparing you people with dogs because it was a disrespect to dogs. Parasites are right comparison. You people had beated tamils huh? If that had happened there telugus would have been slaughtered In Chennai in 1953. You are not in a position to give them threats or beat them then and either you are in a position now. Infact it was all the otherway telugus were attacked in hosur in 1960's and in 2009. You people are so concerned about the seemandhrites in Hyderabad would you ever concerned about the seemandhrites in Bangalore or Chennai??

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  35. One more Great Blog on Telangana along with sujais.

    http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com

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  36. Quote:
    "
    oh ,i am shivering. Is it from cold or fear ?"


    dont worry, central forces will protect you, :)

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    1. No. Central forces are more for punching Telenganites than protecting Andhras. As asaduddin sasys the Central forces should themselves feel fear in Hyderabad. Due whom You can guess. don't blame seemandhras for that too.

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  37. Quote:
    "
    Please dont waste your precious "time" and "energies" on Convincing people like "Nameless" "

    Actually I enjoy punching the 'Nameless', I feel like he[if she, please forgive me :)] is my punching bag.

    Few months bag I used to have another punching bag here called 'Reality', looks like that bag busted after so many punches.

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  38. "you are offending Telangana people with such statements. Keep the discussion to topics relevant to formation of Telangana. Your statements indicate you do not have any valid points to make."

    How about offending statement made by greenstar? Is it okay to insult seemandhras ?

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  39. The SKC Scandal 2: SKC Thinks Telanganites are lazy and lack self-confidence!
    The SKC report says “Telangana experienced a long history of oppressive feudal rule which shaped the character of the people and also generated the resistance to it. Telangana people are often considered subservient and lazy and they feel that coastal Andhra people exercise a “veiled contempt” towards them.” Can any academic well-versed in history, sociology actually stereotype that a group of people are lazy and subservient! This is a stereotype propagated by chauvinist Andhrites and the SKC has got its report ghost-written by them. Nothing else explains this scandal.


    In fact while discussing how Telanganites are stereotyped in Telugu movies, this is what the report says – “The question of stereotyping and “being looked down upon” or “made fun of” is not peculiar to Telangana – unfortunately such stereotypes abound in all societies and are subject to change as the fortunes of such groups and sections of society improve. The self-confidence has to come from within and cannot be legislated or dictated by policy.” The last statement is again a pedestrian observation. How can a group of academics say that a people of a particular region lack self-confidence! Does that mean that Tamils lack self-confidence because Hindi movies make fun about them? Or that Jews lacked self-confidence in Hitler’s Germany when they were butt of all jokes!? It is an embarrassment for this country that these are ‘observations’ of a central government’s team of ‘experts’. Do we need further proof about who actually wrote the report?

    http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com/2011/01/skc-scandal-2-skc-thinks-telanganites.html

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  40. NDTV:Andhra water wars: Telangana farmers feel neglected


    Somebody watching NDTV regularly knows how they find fault with even court judgement and project them as real facts.
    In this case it only says 'feel' and does not assert.


    TEHELKA: What the Srikrishna report missed on Telangana

    BY ROHINI MOHAN & SAMRAT CHAKRABARTI


    You want us to discard a 11 month study by an official commitee.
    But believe a single case study by two outsiders. Even there nothing concrete but 'could have been' kind of porposals.

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  41. "I know you get angry and angry when you remember how Madras has treated you in your sendoff party."

    You are right , we learned from that episode. Thats why we are fighting hard for Hyd.

    And regd punching me , you ran away when i asked sources for "2 lakh" jobs and said you are confused about actual figures.

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  42. Wiki,
    The SKC Scandal 2: SKC Thinks Telanganites are lazy and lack self-confidence!
    Such generalization do hurt any person or society.
    But recollect how many educated Indians start their discussions with "You know in India...". I am sure you also heard that IST stands for late arrival. These things do hurt but reality cannot be changed. Think about women world-wide. Despite centuries of feminism large percentage of woman could not really break the mindset.

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  43. Quote:
    "
    How about offending statement made by greenstar? Is it okay to insult seemandhras ?"

    Yup, when we are nice, you criticize TG using KCR statements, if he became nice then take some OU nobody guys statement and complain.

    I tried my best to be nice to every one here, infact I am the one many times urged everyone to keep the forum discussion healthy. Still some times this goes bad because of the guys like you.

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  44. Quote:
    "
    You are right , we learned from that episode. Thats why we are fighting hard for Hyd."

    No, you didnt learned. You are going to learn very soon.

    Quote:
    "
    And regd punching me , you ran away when i asked sources for "2 lakh" jobs and said you are confused about actual figures."

    This is another example of your wisdom. I never made a claim about 2lak jobs. I just tried for you to explain a claim made by some TRS (or some body else).

    If you cant understand anything from my previous postings, I am very sorry for you. I do not have patience to explain to a dumb like you.

    If I get down to your level of knowledge, I too can ask how did SKC concluded that only 18K violations as per Girglani report? Which page in Girglani report is telling that? Is there any answer from you or SKC buffoons for that?

    My confidence about SKC has been increased to Everest levels when they counted the total number of Telangana CMs as six. That is the concrete proof about the SKCs extraordinary skills in Math. I dont think you love to join them in Math club.

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  45. Quote:
    "
    Such generalization do hurt any person or society."

    Yes, it really hurts.

    They say TG lack of self confidence, they say TG is lazy.

    Yet they say TG is developing very fast than any other region in AP.

    Hurreey, we proved the world wrong by developing at fast rate even though we are lazy and lack of self confidence.

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  46. [You mean to say voice of Telangana leaders in 2010 is not voice of people, whereas same cannot be applied to 1956?]

    Yes, that is what we are trying to say, before 1956 we didn't had a good time to explore and understand election system, many of us used to just accept there leaders even though people dont like there decisions(just like how the system was in Nizam era), that is the reason SRC asked to wait for some time to merge.

    If you are in the same line when discussing, it will be easy for us, dont mix the debates with 1956 and 2009.

    [If you go by GA, I would say merger was conditional and not forced.]

    Yes it was forced, many of our people didnt like it, Nehru didnt like the merging, Burgula didnt like the merging, and all of sudden they changed the mind, one needs to think who influenced there decision. All agreement points are just protecting Telangana only but not a single point to protect SA. SA people didnt even cared what the agreement about, all they want is merge. All other matters or later. Resulting the 1972 movement.

    Many times United Andhra leaders proudly say that the Unity of Telugu people is important, this United State is here now because of many of sacrifices in the past. Thats why we shouldn't break the state. But they conveniently forget about how they thought of breaking the state in 1972.

    [Better learn reading English first. I wrote about what TRS afraid of.]

    You didnt read my answer well, I too said if I go and stop SA leaders you call me anti social or TRS, but you never accept that they are real Telangana agitators. When you cant dare to roam in TG, how do you think you will keep the state united by sitting there?(ex. our mega star chiru). You afraid to come here, so do show yourself as hero. First off all TG people not ready to listen to you, how do you think they will allow you to roam around?

    [They are brought out to highlight lowly behavior of T-vaadis.]

    But you conveniently forget to high light same kind of statements made by SA leaders (ex TG Venkatesh, Lagadapati etc).

    [Do you have any idea of how valuations are done? ]

    Yes, in valuations greater number of TG students will be failed, when they go for re-valuations, every one will be passed again. That is how it works.

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  47. [In this very blog many people have put extracts from Girglani commission. He outright rejected claim of TNGO that 48000 to 53000 jobs in Zone VI are in violation.

    You talk like a 3rd standard student making wordsums. But you fare worse coz you make assumptions.
    ]

    This is how they United Andhra argument goes on. They never look into report, but just talk , talk ,,,,, talk all rubbish.

    I am telling you again, why dont you prove me wrong by you go and look into report? Didnt I posted Eenadu paper article where it is showing the violations are more than 50k?

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  48. @Sujai
    Revolution is happening in "Tunisia" a Despotic President who ruled for 25 years was kicked out Yesterday due to Popular Uprising, Protests Mostly by Unemployed students this was all Started when a Unemployed Graduate and Street vendorMohammed Bouazizi Burned himself to Death in a Ultimate form of Protest when Corrupt cops confiscated his merchandise, This Inspired the Youth in whole Nation to Rise Up against the corrupt ruler, I feel kind of Sad that within Telangana the "300" Suicides committed for the cause of Telangana does not Boil the Blood of Youth to Rise up against the Corrupt Andhra govt.

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  49. http://www.asianage.com/editorial/telangana-report-leads-nowhere-142

    The Justice Srikrishna Committee’s voluminous report, made public by the Union home ministry on Thursday, has a discernible undercurrent in support of a united Andhra Pradesh, as against bifurcating it in response to the vociferous demand for a separate Telangana state. The committee offers six non-binding options but also

    shoots down four of them as impracticable. Between Option 5, dividing the state as demanded by Telangana protagonists, and Option 6, keeping the state undivided, it plumps for the latter. The committee has made its recommendations on the basis of data it collected to show that Telangana’s development indicators, such as irrigation, agriculture, education and public employment, do not suffer too badly in comparison with Andhra. The committee does find substance in the complaints of the pro-Telangana parties on major dams and education. It points out that students from weaker sections in Telangana have fewer opportunities and also notes that health infrastructure is poor in the region.
    The committee agrees in so many words that governance has failed Telangana but adds that smaller states may not be the best solution for lack of development as the experiment with Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand prove. At the same time, it also does not argue that council and constitutional guarantees have met with success in addressing identity politics.
    Given this broad line of thought, it is only natural that the committee, while noting the cultural differences between the people of the two regions, concludes that the best option is to keep Andhra Pradesh united, with certain constitutional guarantees to address Telangana’s concerns. It recommends this option as workable despite the “concerns” in the areas of public employment — which is covered by an amendment to the Constitution — and water and irrigation. The panel more or less backs a united state though it notes that violence could occur when this option is exercised.
    Indeed, some violence has already broken out, with students burning buses and pelting stones at policemen and businesses around the restive Osmania University. They have also called for a bandh, which will undoubtedly be the first of many. The presence of 57 companies of Central paramilitary forces will not provide a solution, nor will it assuage the fears of businesses in Hyderabad.
    Supporters of Telangana statehood have argued that even the constitutionally-guaranteed mechanism covering government jobs has not resulted in equitable allocation of employment. That has been the biggest promise of the Telangana Rashtra Samithi: Jobs for youth. A statutory council backed by constitutional provisions will hardly satisfy them. The Telangana board that was promised in previous political arrangements has not worked. It will be difficult to convince Telangana’s leaders that this band-aid board will fix 60 years of hurt in what arguably was a forced marriage between the two regions.
    The pro-Telangana parties have already rejected the committee and its findings. The TRS and the Joint Action Committee are holding the Centre to its promise of December 9, 2009, when home minister P. Chidambaram announced that the “process for the formation of Telangana” has been initiated. The Centre is widely seen as having gone back on that promise. The Srikrishna Committee, which was to point a way forward, appears to lead to a dead end. What is needed is honest action to address the concerns and the demands of Telangana supporters.
    But if anything, what the report points to, in its comparison tables, is the truly pathetic situation in Rayalaseema, where the development indices are worse than even in Telangana. The Srikrishna panel does not make recommendations because it is constrained by the terms of reference.

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  50. Sujai,

    " Because of irrigation costs, agricultural land in Andhra is expensive. One acre would cost upwards of Rs. 1 crore. The best land in Adilabad costs Rs. 5 lakh. With more wealth and political connections, they are starting petrol pumps, real estate firms and cornering all infrastructure contracts"
    Above comment from the report you quoted.

    So what is wrong in that? Isn't that the way all over the world. Don't people from Mumbai, Delhi come to Hyd and buy lands/buildings and start businesses?
    Why aren't the authors referring to the fact that almost 99% of the cotton business in Adilabad is with marwadis. Have they not "grabbed" the lands, pesticide delaerships, fertilizer dealerships, kirana shops, agri related shops? Why point fingers only at the SA farmers who migrated here. Is it a crime to migrate to telangana. is it is crime to invest in the profession where they have skills- farming. why are the locals selling their lands. if the migrant farmer can grow crops why can't the locals?

    who has stopped the locals from getting into real estate. who has stopped them from taking up civil contracts. the local MP and MLAs who give the contracts are not SAs.

    The authors of the report have demonstrated their stupidity. They have shown the typical attitude of the moronic communists - parasites.

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  51. Those of you who keep talking about T culture vs SA culture.....can someone enumerate what the differences are?

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  52. @ POK:

    Those of you who keep talking about T culture vs SA culture.....can someone enumerate what the differences are?

    This question sounds a lot like 'ramayanam motham vini .....'.

    Everything you remember seeing on Doordarshan telugu channel, is a depiction of SA culture.

    The culture you see in pre-2005 telugu movies, mostly depicted by middle-class and rich-class is SA culture. post 2005, there may have been a handful of characters speaking exclusively in telangana accent, but they do not depict the culture.

    Everything you find 'obscure', 'not telugu' and 'never heard of this!!!' is Telangana culture.

    The fact that you are asking this question implies 'Telangana culture' and 'what you know' are disjoint sets in set theory. You will need to expand your mind to grasp and relate to the other culture un-known to you.

    That sums it up. :)

    If you are further interested in learning the differences, live in one of the Telangana districts (not Hyderabad or RR dist) for atleast a year and mingle with the locals.

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  53. T Bidda,

    I live in Hyd. I visit yelleru (V), Kollapuram (M), Mahaboobnagar (dist)more often than I visit Tank Bund.

    Now please enumerate the differences. I would be more interested to hear a response from those who originate in Karimnagar or Warangal.
    I will respond once the differences are listed.

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  54. @ POK:

    I am too busy with my life to work for you or to obey your orders.

    My answer was comprehensive. Visit does not mean much... live in a small town or village and mingle with people. Cultural studies is a very vast area. No anthropologist or historian gets meaty details sitting on a chair and asking away questions like you.

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  55. @pok, if you still don't see the difference between people,
    I consider you as blind, deaf & dumb..

    Ex: one lives by themselves, others live on neighbors
    Forget about Hyderabad, lets say..migration has happened, as it being capital.

    How many andhras live in telangana villages & how many telanganas live in andhra villages? Obviously, anyone can live any where in the country..no question about it.

    But, The above simple example can answer many questions.

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  56. Should ignorance be punished???!!!!

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  57. Deep,

    Is your answer a 'cultural' difference.

    I am still waiting for someone to enumerate.

    T Bidda, If you are so busy you should not have responded with an irrelevant answer.

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  58. Sujai,

    How much compensation you believe should seemandhra get after separation?

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  59. Should ignorance be punished???!!!!
    Madam,
    it should not be rewarded either.

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  60. How many andhras live in telangana villages & how many telanganas live in andhra villages? Obviously, anyone can live any where in the country..no question about it.
    How many Telanganas really to migrate to Andhra? If not why?
    One visible reason lack of opportunities.
    What about other reasons? Climate, willingness etc.
    Andhras migrated not only to Telangana but many other places.
    Coimbattore, Khargapur, Berhampur to name a few. Janakpuri is Delhi is filled mostly with Telugus.
    Have a look at
    http://bangladesh-tanim.blogspot.com/2009/01/hidden-community-in-bangladesh.html

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  61. Bidda, If you are so busy you should not have responded with an irrelevant answer.
    Most T-vaadis are ready sacrifice even life. But only on part-time basis. They gather half-lies and project as whole-truths. Yes they are busy with life which they claim is Telangana.

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  62. Madam Lavanya,

    Ignorance is punished everyday. If you buy at a place which has higher prices then an other place it is punished. If you join in a company while you had an other "better" opportunity it is punished.

    It almost applies everywhere.

    Like for example it was punished because your T leaders did not stand up for the rights and powers of the regional boards.

    What you should be afraid today is the same thing with option 6 looks like - that your leaders will fail to stand-up and then act ignorant while making themselves rich of course (no one's that ignorant ;-)

    The price of liberty is "eternal vigilance".

    And Ignorantia Juris Non Excusat says the law - Ignorance is not an excuse.

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  63. KCR saw the truth finally and made most sensible statement of his career.
    "The real villians are politicians of the region".
    Naturally he forgot that he too was a politician. :-)

    Greenstart, Lavanya & Sujai
    you do not have to take oath again. You have already disowned him
    (typical court scene from any Hollywood movie)

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  64. The only thing in common with the Taliban and OU Students is that one is fighting American imperialism the other is fighting Andhra lmperialism

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  65. Highway digbandhana a success ,most of settlers got stuck on way, OU GARJANA on 21st

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  66. External Link:
    http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id=26324&cat=15&scat=16

    Fact Sheet: T'gana Gears Up For Big Fight

    The unusual silence in Telangana region after the disclosure of Justice B N Srikrishna committee report on the state bifurcation issue has led to the impression that the Telangana movement has subsided to a large extent. But it turned out to be calm before a storm.

    The blockade of national and state highways on Monday following the call given by the Telangana Joint Action Committee showed how strong the aspirations are among the Telangana people. The response to the blockade call was tremendous and thousands of activists of Telangana Rashtra Samithi and the BJP held up the traffic for several hours on national highways No. 7 and No. 9, besides Warangal road, Nagarjunasagar Road, Rajiv Rahadari and Nizamabad road. At several places, the Telangana activists cooked food on the main road and played games, demanding that the Centre introduce Bill on Telangana in Parliament straightaway.

    The police were kept on alert following the reports that the Telangana activists would not allow the people from Seemandhra region to return to Hyderabad after Sankranti festival. They were apprehensive that the Telangana supporters might attack buses heading towards Hyderabad. All the roads connecting Andhra to Hyderabad were provided with heavy security.

    The Railway Police are also on high alert and vigil has been increased on Hyderabad-Delhi and Hyderabad-Guntur train routes. Pilot trains would be run before arrival/departure of important trains to check any sabotage to tracks.

    Telangana leaders say it is only a beginning of the bigger struggle ahead. In the coming days, the activists are expected to bring the entire functioning of the administration to a halt.

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  67. External Link:
    http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id=26327&cat=15&scat=16

    T-Blockade: Cong And TDP Feel Left Out

    The tremendous response to the road blockade by the Telangana activists across the region has sent jitters in the Congress and Telugu Desam Parties.

    The Telangana leaders of these parties feel left out of the Telangana agitation and if they continue to remain silent, they might become villains in the eyes of Telangana people. At several places, the Congress workers at the ground level also participated in big numbers in the Telangana road blockade, without waiting for instructions from their MLAs.

    The situation in the TDP is worse. The Telangana TDP leaders are under tremendous pressure from the party cadres at the field level. Senior TDP leaders Nagam Janardhan Reddy and Kadiam Srihari met party president N Chandrababu Naidu and told him that if they remained silent on the Telangana agitation, it would damage the party forever in Telangana. They are awaiting for positive response from Naidu in this regard.

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  68. External Link:
    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/sudarshan-reddy-may-be-first-ag-from-telangana/240110.html

    Sudarshan Reddy may be first AG from Telangana

    HYDERABAD: For the first time, Andhra Pradesh will have a Telangana lawyer as its Advocate General. A Sudarshan Reddy is likely to be appointed to this post in a day or two. To facilitate this, incumbent DV Sitarama Murthy has resigned. Along with him, three additional AGs - Sudarshan Reddy, A Satya Prasad and P Haranath Gupta too have put in their papers following a direction to this effect from Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy.

    The Chief Minister is keen on having a Telangana advocate as the AG since even Justice Srikrishna Committee, in its report, has noted the fact that no Telangana lawyer has ever held the position since the formation of the State in 1956.

    The Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) has been accusing the State government of favouring only Andhra advocates and wanted a Telangana man to be appointed AG this time.

    Though P Nirup Reddy’s name too figured in the race for the AG’s post, his candidature has been set aside since he fought on a BJP ticket unsuccessfully against Vijayashanthi for the Medak Lok Sabha seat.

    Among the Telangana advocates, the Chief Minister is understood to be preferring Sudharshan Reddy, who hails from Mahaboobnagar district, for two reasons.

    Firstly, he is a non-controversial advocate and secondly, the Chief Minister has a good rapport with him. In fact, both were at one time college mates. Another factor that weighed in his favour was his role in ending the Telangana lawyers’ agitation for 42 per cent quota in judicial postings which rocked the High Court in September last year.

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  69. "Like for example it was punished because your T leaders did not stand up for the rights and powers of the regional boards."

    Looks like we share a few things in common after all...
    Our leaders haven't spoken for our rights...and yours didn't for yours
    ...:-)


    "What you should be afraid today is the same thing with option 6 looks like - that your leaders will fail to stand-up and then act ignorant while making themselves rich of course (no one's that ignorant ;-)"

    I would like to believe that the leaders of the Telangana region;had more than their fair share of insults and assaults in the past year and a half...If they repeat the same mistakes,irrespective of their stature, they WILL NOT BE SPARED...(It is the end of several political careers in Telangana,as I see it.Not that I am complaining...)

    We are not IGNORANT any more,you see... ;-)


    "The price of liberty is "eternal vigilance"."

    And the duty of the state,to educate and protect it's citizens from it's misuse....

    And Ignorantia Juris Non Excusat says the law - Ignorance is not an excuse.

    Ex post facto....one should always consider the facts,before the fact becomes a law...,in this case the people of Telangana...

    Audi alteram partem...one needs to listen to the arguments of all the parties involved,impartially,some times even at public expense...to come to a fair conclusion....

    Hmmm....all that money being pumped into your lawyer's accounts,is coming into use after all...

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  70. @Anonymous,

    "it should not be rewarded either."

    I was talking about it in context to the Telangana movement,where the leaders have supposedly taken a decision of such mass magnitude,without considering it's effect later...

    One cannot punish the cheated,even by law...

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  71. Sujai
    When did you start reading Greatandhra.com and started believing its contents?I'm surprised!

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  72. @Sujai,

    Don't their actions reek of insincerity and arrogance...

    Insincere,since the decision is not going make much impact in solving the problems now,since it has come in a bit too late....

    Arrogance in expecting,the people to forgive all their previous injustices during all these decades....

    And injustice,since it just goes onto prove that they have been able to keep an important post away from representatives of an entire region for so long...

    They just check mate themselves...fools.

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  73. @Anonymous,

    "When did you start reading Greatandhra.com and started believing its contents?I'm surprised!"

    Since when they said that,one must keep their friends close to self,but their enemies closer....;-)

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  74. They just check mate themselves...fools.
    Madam,

    Yet another manifestation of frustration.

    Now that SKC report is gaining acceptance across the country, any actions of GOI should be in tune with those recommendations.
    At this stage any kind of division will trigger huge unrest in entire country.

    Still, in all probability our Intelligent Arrogant and Ms. Sacrifice will tilt for division only.
    Meanwhile any violent actions by T-vaads will be counter productive.

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  75. >>yeah thats why we had to come and teach you farming ,

    బ్రిటిషోళ్ళు మీ సీమంద్రోల్లకి శాన నేర్పించారు కదా, మొదట మీరెల్లి వాళ్ళ సంక నాకి రండి, తరువాత మీరు మాకు ఏమేమి నిర్పించారో డప్పు కొట్టుకుందురు కాని. వీళ్ళు జెప్పుడు చూస్తుంటే, వీళ్ళు రాక ముందు, తెలంగాణాలో వ్యవసాయమే లేకుండే , తెలంగానోల్లందరూ అడవిలో దొరికేది తిని బతికే వాళ్ళు ..... అన్నా అంటారు.

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  76. Andhra state situation was pathetic in many sections before the merge with Telangana, their only hope is to merge with Telangana for their survival.

    They were desperate to merge with Telangana. I am sure they did the good marketing for there Visaalandra product, that is the reason, the Fazal Ali commission report is trashed, Nehru changed his mind, I dont surprise few of Telangana politicians strongly supported for Visalandra.

    I post few of the statements, news bits from that time.

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  77. Reactions on the Recommendations of the SRC

    Ayyadevara Kaleswara Rao:
    If the formation of Visalandhra is postponed, it will never happen. It is dangerous to wait for six years. The desire for separate Telangana will be further strengthened, and then they will not agree for Visalandhra. It will be impossible to get two-thirds majority in the Assembly at that time.
    (Andhra Patrika: 02-11-1955)


    Kasu Brahmananda Reddy:
    Creating separate Telangana state and then waiting for five years is not a good idea. The necessity of getting two-thirds majority in the assembly is incomprehensible. Why should we wait till the 1961 Elections are over?
    (Andhra Patrika: 02-11-1955)

    Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy:
    If not now, Visalandhra can never be formed.
    (Andhra Patrika: 04-11-1955)


    Vavilala Gopalakrishnayya:
    If Visalandhra is not formed now, it might become impossible later.
    (Andhra Patrika: 06-11-1955)


    Kala Venkata Rao:
    If it is feared that the lands in Telangana will be usurped by Andhras, a law can be made to prevent that.
    (Andhra Patrika: 14-11-1955)


    Andhra State Congress Committee:
    People of Telangana need not be apprehensive about any troubles or losses if they join Visalandhra. There will not be any laxity in ensuring their development and progress.
    (Andhra Patrika: 03-11-1955)

    Comments made in Andhra Patrika:
    There is no answer to the question raised by the leaders of Telangana that if Telangana will not get any additional benefits by joining Visalandhra, why should it join at all?
    Benefits to Andhra if Visalandhra is formed:
    i) A ready-made, well-developed capital city;
    ii) Advantages on social and cultural fronts;
    iii) Development of transport and communication facilities; and,
    iv) Development of irrigation projects in Krishna and Godavari basins by mobilizing resources from 20 districts of Visalandhra, instead of 8 districts of Andhra.

    (Andhra Patrika: 04-11-1955)

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  79. Resolutions passed in the Andhra State Assembly:
    On 25-11-1955, the then Chief Minister of erstwhile Andhra State, Bezawada Gopala Reddy, introduced a resolution in the State Assembly, which was unanimously approved. The summary of the resolution is as under:

    * We deem it our special responsibility to develop the Telangana Region;

    * We safeguard the rights of the region in the realms of employment and education proportionate to the population of the region

    * We ensure to them a fair share in the fruits of development in all other spheres;

    * All the resources that rightfully belong to the Telangana region will be utilized for the benefit of only the people of that region;

    * We will be very generous towards them;

    * The people of Telangana have not asked us for any of these assurances; and,

    * All these assurances are given by all the political parties unanimously in the assembly.

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  80. Financial Problems of the Andhra State
    Andhra Patrika:
    The financial condition of the Andhra State is not at all satisfactory; nor is it likely to improve in future. There is no likelihood of paying salaries to the government employees by the end of March (1955).
    (Andhra Patrika: 03-12-1954)

    There is a huge deficit in the revenue of the State. It is not at all possible to take up any new projects.
    (Andhra Patrika: 09-02-1956)

    Now there is no possibility of using revenue receipts for developmental works; nor is there any likelihood of it even in the coming five years. Floating loans for developmental works has become impossible.
    (Andhra Patrika: 06-07-1955)


    Bezawada Gopala Reddy:
    Out of 22 crore rupees of revenue receipts, administrative expenditure alone is eating away 20 crores.
    (Statement in Andhra Assembly: 15-09-1954)

    Regular payment of monthly salaries to the teachers too has become a difficult exercise.
    (Andhra Patrika: 01-10-1953)


    Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy:
    Now we are dragging on with a deficit of 18 crore rupees. We are not in a position to pay salaries to the staff unless the central government comes to our rescue.
    (Statement is Andhra Assembly: 05-11-1953)

    Wherever we go, the farmers are asking for irrigation and electricity facilities. Where can we fetch them from?
    (Statement is Andhra Assembly: 25-02-1954)

    Andhra Government had to borrow 6 crore rupees in the very first year of its inception.
    (Statement is Andhra Assembly: 25-01-1956)

    M. Bhaktavatsalam (Finance Minister of Madras):
    The sales tax receipts of the Andhra region are very negligible.
    (Statement is Madras Assembly: 31-01-1953)

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  81. Plight of Andhra State for a Capital City

    Kadapa Koti Reddy:
    In the Andhra State there in no proper place to locate even district level offices; where is the question of finding place for locating offices for the capital city of the state?
    (Andhra Patrika: 13-03-1953)


    Tanguturi Prakasam:
    All our troubles will be resolved if we get Hyderabad. But how will we get it? We have to think as to how to work for it.
    (Andhra Patrika: 02-06-1953)


    Comments made in Andhra Patrika:

    - Visakha: Where is a road on which two lorries can safely cross each other?
    - Kakinada: Where are the buildings suitable in shape and number required for the capital city of the state?
    - Rajahmundry: Doesn’t have the basic requirements.
    - Bezawada: There are more people than the available open place.
    - Guntur: Just sufficient for the people there.
    - Hyderabad : The one and the only way out.
    (Andhra Patrika: 07-03-1956)


    Y. Suryanarayana Rao:
    We have already spent one crore rupees on the capital city, Kurnool. We are still spending. Even after spending so much, has Kurnool town got a shape suitable for a capital city? Absolutely not.
    (Andhra Patrika: 29-09-1954)

    Andhra government employees are still in Madras as tenants. The officials are worried about providing residential accommodation to them. There is no hope of completing the construction of new buildings for the Secretariat. In addition, the government employees are worried about the educational facilities for their children in Kurnool.
    (Andhra Patrika: 01-09-1954)

    Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy:
    People are enthusiastically waiting for moving to Hyderabad. Nobody is feeling the pinch of shifting the state’s capital from Kurnool.
    We will assure the people of Telangana, if necessary, that their positions in the cabinet and jobs in the government will be protected.


    Andhra Patrika comment on Sanjeeva Reddy’s statement:
    This very gentleman threatened to remain in erstwhile Madras State itself if the capital city of Andhra State was not located in Rayalaseema.
    (Andhra Patrika: 09-08-1954)

    We faced many problems in the last two years. There are no facilities for offices. If we have to wait for five more years as recommended by Fazal Ali, Andhra State will have to face innumerable problems.
    (Andhra Patrika: 03-02-1956)

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  82. Status of Industrial Development
    Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy:
    When compared to the other South Indian states, generation of electricity in Andhra is not adequate. Consequently, no industry worth its name could be established.
    (Andhra Patrika: 05-01-1953)


    Andhra Chamber of Commerce:
    In Andhra State, there are no industries at all.
    (Andhra Patrika: 20-01-1953)

    Bezawada Gopala Reddy:
    There is neither coal nor oil available in Andhra State. Electricity is very expensive.
    (Andhra Patrika: 07-10-1953)

    P.V.G.Raju:
    Telangana has registered industrial development. There is scope for further growth.
    (Andhra Patrika: 28-11-1955)

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  83. By the time the state of Andhra Pradesh was formed, two major irrigation projects of Andhra area namely, the Godavari barrage at Dhavaleswaram and the Krishna barrage at Vijayawada were dilapidated and needed immediate renovation and reconstruction. The then Andhra state was totally bankrupt and was completely helpless to take up those works. The merger of Telangana became a boon for the Andhra region. The surplus revenues of Telangana came handy to the Andhra bosses of the new state. These two projects which were almost dead were not only reconstructed but the ayacut was also substantially increased. These two projects put together now irrigate more than 25 lakh acres in karif and nearly half of it in rabi.

    Had those surpluses of Telangana region been spent on the Sriram Sagar Project, at least half of the Telangana region would have become prosperous – perhaps more than the now affluent delta region. The construction of Sriram Sagar Project was deliberately kept in abeyance to facilitate the diversion of Telangana surplus revenues to the Andhra region. It is now more than four decades that the work on this project was initiated; but not even half of it is completed. Out of 20 lakh acres of ayacut proposed to be brought under this project, not even 5 lakh acres get irrigation facilities, that too for one crop, even to this day.

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  84. @all the avid readers of GA.com
    As long as websites like GreatAndhra flourish there is bound to be this kind of ignorance.

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  85. Greenstar,

    everybody on internet read those news items from your patriarch Prof. Jayashankar. Excellent work of extracting such statements and using in favor of srgument.

    Great exposure of Andhra conspiracy.
    Agreed. Can you bring out similar newsitems about
    So called claims of majority of Telanganas against merger, DCC, Panchayats passing resolution against merger etc.
    And most importantly voice of Telangana leaders who saw the conspiracy and given to media.
    Let me remind you that Deccan Chronicle and Golconda patrika were popular in Telangana.
    Any extracts from those papers will strengthen the conspiracy theory.
    Otherwise you know how it will be interpreted.

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  86. [Excellent work of extracting such statements and using in favor of srgument.]

    Thanks for your complements.

    [Otherwise you know how it will be interpreted. ]

    who cares? All I want to prove is, Seemandra was so desperate to merge with Telangana, otherwise they wouldn't have survived.

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  87. What Green star quoted is the exact stuff dished out by TRS. There wont be any source for such things. It is foolish to even consider such rubbish as something worthy of discussion.

    SKC did a good job of showing desire of TG leaders in joining Visalandhra. It is an authentic govt committee unlike our Tvadis. So if you want us to believe anything you write show source.

    Now if we ask our "Star" for sources he/she will say i am merely quoting what TRS is saying. But have you checked the sources. No need to because they are modern day Harsichandra.

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  88. Andhra bloggers

    These Tvadi bloggers are literally licking their wounds after SKC report. Most of their arguments were proved wrong by SKC. Now they are in total frustration. They also realize that political reality is against them. They now know "Telangana agitation " is over.

    So lets leave them for a while

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  89. Nameless,

    the father source of all (mis-)information is Prof. Jayashankar. Multi-Terabytes worth cyberspace polluted with false data and ideas.

    T-vaadis do not believe anybody except T-vaadis. Even here they are very strict, slightest deviation in propganda one will be branded as Telangana drohi.
    By end of the day Telangana seems to be filled with these drohis only.

    "Hit the iron while it is hot" good for material gains but not human.
    My real concern is for our Mr. Missed-the-Nobel. He may be out of employement in spreading hatred. Of course he can apply fresh at 16 other divisive movements in India. But he has to compromise on compensation as none involves a thing like Hyderabad.

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  90. Looks like the andhras are fighting over water even among themselves. Former minister Peddireddy accuses Kiran of diverting to his Piler constituency water from the summer storage tank meant actually for the Punganur town to tackle its perennial drinking water scarcity.

    Read the full story at www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/article1076561.ece

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  91. Who killed Potti Sriramulu? GV Ramakrishna in his book "Two score and ten: my experiences in government" mentions an unverified story that the andhra guys virtually forced Sriramulu to die.

    Page 27: "It used to be said that even when he begged for food, his supporters saw the new State coming and kept him away from any form of nourishment"

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  92. @Green,

    Great piece of work buddy....

    Your patience is understanding the problem,and your continuous efforts to look into solving them are commendable....

    Thanks again..

    And never mind the fools...:-)

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  93. @Nameless and Anonymous,

    Why don't you prove Green star wrong!!!!

    I'm sure you got your sources...

    G.A.com...;-)

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  94. @Nameless,

    How come you people still haven't come out with the link that supports your argument,that the Telangana leaders have signed an MoU with SA..

    Don't start over with your Chenna Reddy argument....
    I want the link or verified source for the actual agreement between the leaders during the merger...

    We shall base our argument based on your reply......

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  95. Green Star:

    Thanks. You are doing a great job. If you can compile all these news items into one document, I can publish them here.

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  96. "Yet another manifestation of frustration."

    Yet another affirmation of argument without the inclination to understand...


    "Now that SKC report is gaining acceptance across the country, any actions of GOI should be in tune with those recommendations.
    At this stage any kind of division will trigger huge unrest in entire country."

    What makes you think that the appointment of an A.G is apolitical???

    The A.G would be the government's mouth piece,and Mr.Reddy would be defending the very same government that he would have criticised,otherwise...(Chenna Reddy part 2)

    Clever ploy...


    "Still, in all probability our Intelligent Arrogant and Ms. Sacrifice will tilt for division only."

    Thanks for the observations,but,I thought you supported Government jobs being given,based on their merit,and not on region....;-)


    Any fast track amendments or changes at the bureaucratic level would only authenticate our observations further....

    "Meanwhile any violent actions by T-vaads will be counter productive."

    As a strategy,I would support the violence to gain the media's support and interest....On an individual level,I hate the perpetrator more than the offender...

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  97. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

    - Sherlock Holms

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  98. One should lead on facts,not on assumptions....

    A Telangana lawyer had never held an A.G's post in 60 years is a FACT,not assumption...

    Do not cover up a mistake,it eventually shows up and punches you when you least expect it....The more one tries to cover fire,the more it burns...

    The GoI appointing a Telanganite NOW,just proves it is in a hurry to cover up it's mistakes....

    -A Cynic

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  99. [What Green star quoted is the exact stuff dished out by TRS....Now if we ask our "Star" for sources he/she will say i am merely quoting what TRS is saying.]


    We are very well know that if TRS say the milk is white, you utterly reject it.

    You can do better than this.

    [They now know "Telangana agitation " is over.]

    I wonder why you still in alert when it is over !! Your assumptions will give you a good relief, and you need it for your health.

    [My real concern is for our Mr. Missed-the-Nobel.]

    you dont have to prove that you love us. Every one knows your one sided love :)

    [GV Ramakrishna in his book "Two score and ten: my experiences in government" ]

    Save yourself man, Ramakrishna's book is against to the 'AP History Bible', they dont believe anything which is against to what they were told by there శాంతి దూత Lagadapati, మడమ తిప్పని Kavuri and సీమంద్ర పోరాట యోధుడు TG Venkatesh. The believe they are modern Gandhi, Nehru and Bhagath Singh.

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  100. TUNISIA and TELANGANA

    Some striking similarities between the Popular Uprising in Tunisia and the Telangana agitation.

    SELF-IMMOLATION as PROTEST: Both agitations erupted after suicides by unemployed graduates, Srikanthachari in LB Nagar in TG, Mohammed Bouzazi in Tunisia.

    DUBIOUS PROMISES COULDNT STOP THE AGITATION: Tunisian Dictator Ben Ali made some Promises because of the agitation like: he wont be president for life term, More freedom for press and humanrights, But Tunisian people didnt believe him and continued to Agitate to Overthrow his regime.
    The Goverenment here in Telangana is trying to do the same, Promising regional councils for Telangana and an end to Discrimination, But as similar to above TG people dont believe the govt because these promises were made and broken earlier.

    CRACKDOWN BY POLICE: IN tunisia the Police and Presidential gaurds were loyal to the regime even after the ouster of Ben Ali and try to Discredit the movement by Indulging in Arson and looting of properties and blaming it on Protestors, similar to that of Andhra Police pelting stones and blaming OU students, However the Army Sided with Protestors in Tunisia and is fighting gun battles with the Police,Hope Indian Army does the Same in Telangana if situation detiorates by Refusing to open Fire on Protestors .

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  101. TIMES OF INDIA:Protests rock Telangana districts

    TNN, Jan 18, 2011, 03.22am IST

    HYDERABAD: Traffic on national and state highways was paralysed in Telangana region on Monday with T-protagonists staging road blockades and demanding the Union government to introduce the separate Telangana state bill in Parliament. At several places traffic was stranded for 3-4 hours.

    Leaders of TRS, BJP, CPI, CPI(ML) New Democracy along with thousands of JAC activists squatted on the roads to block traffic following the call given by Telangana political JAC. Commuters faced severe difficulties as all vehicles, including RTC buses, were stalled at various places from 10 am to 2 pm. JAC convenor M Kodandaram led the protest along with BJP leaders at LB Nagar in Hyderabad where they shouted slogans against the government. They staged a sit-in and paralysed traffic for nearly two hours. Later, they were removed by police.

    The agitators played kabaddi on the main roads to block traffic. Road connectivity between AP and neighbouring Maharashtra was snapped with TJAC activists staging a rasta roko at Penganga bridge in Adilabad district. The protestors stalled traffic on national highways 7, 9, 16, 44, 63, 202 and 222 and state highways, including Nirmal-Bhainsa, Bhainsa-Nizamabad, Mancherial-Karimnagar, Mancherial-Chennur and Asifabad-Chandrapur roads.

    In Nizamabad, thousands of people from surrounding villages staged a rasta roko on NH-44 at Indalwai, while a 8-km long funeral procession of PCC president D Srinivas was taken out from Palvancha to Machareddy mandal headquarters. The agitators damaged an RTC bus in Armoor town, while ABVP activists attacked the house of zilla parishad chairman K Venkatramana Reddy in Kamareddy.

    TRS MLA D Vinay Bhaskar and BJP leaders led the protest on the busy Warangal road, while TRS legislator Harish Rao organised the protests in Siddipet. TRS MLA K T Rama Rao staged a sit-in at his Sircilla assembly constituency in Karimnagar district as hundreds of protestors joined him. KTR played kabaddi and cricket to register his protest on Sircilla highway.

    Hundreds of TRS activists and advocates stopped Jagityal MLA L Ramana at NH-16 on Jagityal-Nizamabad road. At Sankepally village in Vemulawada mandal, three agitators were injured when an RTC bus overran a group of protestors after its brake failed. Irate activists pelted stones on the bus and damaged its windowpanes.

    BJP national spokesperson T Rajeshwar Rao along with other leaders were taken into custody at Hanamkonda crossroads when they were staging a rasta roko. Vehicles up to 3 km stretch on both sides were stranded in Warangal. "Nearly 1.5 lakh agitators staged rasta rokos across the district," TRS district convener Peddi Sudarshan Reddy said.

    A spokesman of the state-run coal mining company Singareni Collieries said transportation of coal was not affected due to the protests. Senior RTC officials claimed that the buses were not stopped for more than 30 minutes. About 1,000 buses enter Hyderabad from various T-districts daily. "Only buses from Khammam were detained for longer hours," an official said.

    Meanwhile, police booked 79 cases under CrPC and took 2,813 people into custody during the protests.


    External Link: Protests rock Telangana districts - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Protests-rock-Telangana-districts/articleshow/7307604.cms#ixzz1BOX8D54o

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  102. TIMES OF INDIA:Protests rock Telangana districts

    TNN, Jan 18, 2011, 03.22am IST

    HYDERABAD: Traffic on national and state highways was paralysed in Telangana region on Monday with T-protagonists staging road blockades and demanding the Union government to introduce the separate Telangana state bill in Parliament. At several places traffic was stranded for 3-4 hours.

    Leaders of TRS, BJP, CPI, CPI(ML) New Democracy along with thousands of JAC activists squatted on the roads to block traffic following the call given by Telangana political JAC. Commuters faced severe difficulties as all vehicles, including RTC buses, were stalled at various places from 10 am to 2 pm. JAC convenor M Kodandaram led the protest along with BJP leaders at LB Nagar in Hyderabad where they shouted slogans against the government. They staged a sit-in and paralysed traffic for nearly two hours. Later, they were removed by police.

    The agitators played kabaddi on the main roads to block traffic. Road connectivity between AP and neighbouring Maharashtra was snapped with TJAC activists staging a rasta roko at Penganga bridge in Adilabad district. The protestors stalled traffic on national highways 7, 9, 16, 44, 63, 202 and 222 and state highways, including Nirmal-Bhainsa, Bhainsa-Nizamabad, Mancherial-Karimnagar, Mancherial-Chennur and Asifabad-Chandrapur roads.

    In Nizamabad, thousands of people from surrounding villages staged a rasta roko on NH-44 at Indalwai, while a 8-km long funeral procession of PCC president D Srinivas was taken out from Palvancha to Machareddy mandal headquarters. The agitators damaged an RTC bus in Armoor town, while ABVP activists attacked the house of zilla parishad chairman K Venkatramana Reddy in Kamareddy.

    TRS MLA D Vinay Bhaskar and BJP leaders led the protest on the busy Warangal road, while TRS legislator Harish Rao organised the protests in Siddipet. TRS MLA K T Rama Rao staged a sit-in at his Sircilla assembly constituency in Karimnagar district as hundreds of protestors joined him. KTR played kabaddi and cricket to register his protest on Sircilla highway.

    Hundreds of TRS activists and advocates stopped Jagityal MLA L Ramana at NH-16 on Jagityal-Nizamabad road. At Sankepally village in Vemulawada mandal, three agitators were injured when an RTC bus overran a group of protestors after its brake failed. Irate activists pelted stones on the bus and damaged its windowpanes.

    BJP national spokesperson T Rajeshwar Rao along with other leaders were taken into custody at Hanamkonda crossroads when they were staging a rasta roko. Vehicles up to 3 km stretch on both sides were stranded in Warangal. "Nearly 1.5 lakh agitators staged rasta rokos across the district," TRS district convener Peddi Sudarshan Reddy said.

    A spokesman of the state-run coal mining company Singareni Collieries said transportation of coal was not affected due to the protests. Senior RTC officials claimed that the buses were not stopped for more than 30 minutes. About 1,000 buses enter Hyderabad from various T-districts daily. "Only buses from Khammam were detained for longer hours," an official said.

    Meanwhile, police booked 79 cases under CrPC and took 2,813 people into custody during the protests.


    External Link: Protests rock Telangana districts - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Protests-rock-Telangana-districts/articleshow/7307604.cms#ixzz1BOX8D54o

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  103. TIMES OF INDIA: No movement on Telangana now, Centre to wait for consensus

    Rajeev Deshpande & Subodh Ghildiyal, TNN, Jan 18, 2011, 04.07am IST

    NEW DELHI : The Centre will not move on Telangana soon with the statehood demand mired in deep divisions within political parties and strident regional claims that make any fresh initiative a high risk option given the overwhelming lack of consensus.

    The UPA-2 government is clear that tempers on both sides of the Telangana divide need to cool and some common ground will have to emerge before the statehood plea can be taken up. A consensus has to be wide and durable for a new state to become feasible. Heated rhetoric is not helping matters.

    Political sources said the vocal advocacy of Telangana MPs after the Srikrishna committee presented several options on a "united" as well as "divided" Andhra Pradesh hardened fault lines. Congress MPs from Telangana were driven by competitive politics but cramped the Centre's hand.

    Andhra Pradesh remains politically volatile and passage of a statehood Bill requires a degree of accord in the state assembly that is absent. The lurking danger of the government being destabilized by any adventurous or ill-considered gambit has been enough to make the Congress high command cautious.

    The statehood clamour is not seen to be overstated or unjustified. Telangana is recognized as a valid issue since the formation of Andhra Pradesh but the demand is currently too conflicted for the Centre to get down to tackling hurdles like a new capital for the non-Telangana area of Seemandhra or the merits of Hyderabad being a shared legacy.

    Congress is also watching how Kiran Reddy shapes up as chief minister and if he can show the leadership needed to restore political discourse. He needs to overcome his meagre administrative experience and manage factions while keeping an eye on the threat posed by rebel leader Jaganmohan Reddy who is looking to settle scores with the party.

    The ruling party feels Jagan's threat can be neutralised as his support among MLAs may not be substantial despite 24 state legislators attending his Delhi protest. The number of those who could follow Jagan out of the Congress is reckoned to be much less. Yet, the late Y S Rajasekhar Reddy's son seeking his father's crown is a resourceful foe.

    The government is not at all sure of what the fallout of accepting Telangana could be. The chain effect may give life to dormant demands like Vidarbha and ignite simmering ones like Gorkhaland. "I don't think we are prepared for a flare up," said a source. Memories of home minister P Chidambaram's December 9, 2009 late night statement that the "process of formation of the state of Telangana would be initiated" and the Centre's subsequent somersaults have not dimmed.

    Read more: No movement on Telangana now, Centre to wait for consensus - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-movement-on-Telangana-now-Centre-to-wait-for-consensus/articleshow/7308532.cms#ixzz1BOXbE0Bf

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  104. Why SKC’s best option (Option VI) in present form is bound to fail:
    The report itself states “Earlier, a Regional Committee of the Legislature had been constituted by a Presidential Order under Article 371 through the Seventh Amendment in 1958. However, after the introduction of Six Point Formula, the Regional Committee was done away with by the Thirty Second Amendment in 1974. It has already been discussed in the Report (Chapter 1) that the Regional Committee did not fulfil the role envisioned for a statutory Regional Council under the Gentleman‟s Agreement, 1956“. So it was all the most imperative that the SKC bolster this option and make a strong pitch for it for this option to have any chance.

    There are 2 questions the SKC should have pondered over and put in more work.

    1) If the committee did not fulfill its role earlier, how would it do now? How would Telanganites buy a failed experiment again?
    2) Why would the Andhra people now accept the separate committee that they got removed earlier?

    The 1st question would bring an answer that this time the regional committee should be different and powerful with legislative powers if indeed it needs to considered seriously. But no, the SKC just mentions this could at best be a legislative consultative mechanism that submits its annual report to Andhra Pradesh assembly! And guess what it does not even cover HMDA. And reason? SKC lamely says “However, the area under HMDA will not be a part of the development sub-plan since there is a separate authority for this purpose headed by the Chief Minister.” Why could not the SKC think about a comprehensive solution for all Telangana regions? They did not even try. And this is when they themselves say “As it will possibly be the first case of an empowered Regional Council outside of the Sixth Schedule Areas, every care should be taken to ensure that the proposed Regional Council is fully empowered in real terms. This will be critical both for making the model acceptable across the board and for winning the confidence of the people.”

    Regarding the 2nd question, the SKC mentions nothing that made them think Andhras will be happy with Telangana having its own regional council. They just assumed they will support. Same assumption went wrong in the past and it will wrong again. It is a matter of time before there is a ‘telugu atmagaurava udhyamam’ that demands parity across the telugu state and we would be back at square one.

    With these flaws, option VI indeed has no chance to make people think and discuss. That would leave only the ‘second best option’ as the best for not just Telangana, but even Andhrites!

    http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com/2011/01/telangana-xv-why-skc-reports-best.html

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  105. Why SKC’s best option (Option VI) in present form is bound to fail:
    The report itself states “Earlier, a Regional Committee of the Legislature had been constituted by a Presidential Order under Article 371 through the Seventh Amendment in 1958. However, after the introduction of Six Point Formula, the Regional Committee was done away with by the Thirty Second Amendment in 1974. It has already been discussed in the Report (Chapter 1) that the Regional Committee did not fulfil the role envisioned for a statutory Regional Council under the Gentleman‟s Agreement, 1956“. So it was all the most imperative that the SKC bolster this option and make a strong pitch for it for this option to have any chance.

    There are 2 questions the SKC should have pondered over and put in more work.

    1) If the committee did not fulfill its role earlier, how would it do now? How would Telanganites buy a failed experiment again?
    2) Why would the Andhra people now accept the separate committee that they got removed earlier?

    The 1st question would bring an answer that this time the regional committee should be different and powerful with legislative powers if indeed it needs to considered seriously. But no, the SKC just mentions this could at best be a legislative consultative mechanism that submits its annual report to Andhra Pradesh assembly! And guess what it does not even cover HMDA. And reason? SKC lamely says “However, the area under HMDA will not be a part of the development sub-plan since there is a separate authority for this purpose headed by the Chief Minister.” Why could not the SKC think about a comprehensive solution for all Telangana regions? They did not even try. And this is when they themselves say “As it will possibly be the first case of an empowered Regional Council outside of the Sixth Schedule Areas, every care should be taken to ensure that the proposed Regional Council is fully empowered in real terms. This will be critical both for making the model acceptable across the board and for winning the confidence of the people.”

    Regarding the 2nd question, the SKC mentions nothing that made them think Andhras will be happy with Telangana having its own regional council. They just assumed they will support. Same assumption went wrong in the past and it will wrong again. It is a matter of time before there is a ‘telugu atmagaurava udhyamam’ that demands parity across the telugu state and we would be back at square one.

    With these flaws, option VI indeed has no chance to make people think and discuss. That would leave only the ‘second best option’ as the best for not just Telangana, but even Andhrites!

    http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com/2011/01/telangana-xv-why-skc-reports-best.html

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  106. Why SKC’s best option (Option VI) in present form is bound to fail:
    The report itself states “Earlier, a Regional Committee of the Legislature had been constituted by a Presidential Order under Article 371 through the Seventh Amendment in 1958. However, after the introduction of Six Point Formula, the Regional Committee was done away with by the Thirty Second Amendment in 1974. It has already been discussed in the Report (Chapter 1) that the Regional Committee did not fulfil the role envisioned for a statutory Regional Council under the Gentleman‟s Agreement, 1956“. So it was all the most imperative that the SKC bolster this option and make a strong pitch for it for this option to have any chance.
    There are 2 questions the SKC should have pondered over and put in more work.
    1) If the committee did not fulfill its role earlier, how would it do now? How would Telanganites buy a failed experiment again?
    2) Why would the Andhra people now accept the separate committee that they got removed earlier?
    The 1st question would bring an answer that this time the regional committee should be different and powerful with legislative powers if indeed it needs to considered seriously. But no, the SKC just mentions this could at best be a legislative consultative mechanism that submits its annual report to Andhra Pradesh assembly! And guess what it does not even cover HMDA. And reason? SKC lamely says “However, the area under HMDA will not be a part of the development sub-plan since there is a separate authority for this purpose headed by the Chief Minister.” Why could not the SKC think about a comprehensive solution for all Telangana regions? They did not even try. And this is when they themselves say “As it will possibly be the first case of an empowered Regional Council outside of the Sixth Schedule Areas, every care should be taken to ensure that the proposed Regional Council is fully empowered in real terms. This will be critical both for making the model acceptable across the board and for winning the confidence of the people.”

    Regarding the 2nd question, the SKC mentions nothing that made them think Andhras will be happy with Telangana having its own regional council. They just assumed they will support. Same assumption went wrong in the past and it will wrong again. It is a matter of time before there is a ‘telugu atmagaurava udhyamam’ that demands parity across the telugu state and we would be back at square one.
    With these flaws, option VI indeed has no chance to make people think and discuss. That would leave only the ‘second best option’ as the best for not just Telangana, but even Andhrites!

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  107. The Largest Muslim Student Body in India Supports Telangana Agitation

    Telangana needs a solution, not options: SIO
    Submitted by admin3 on 13 January 2011 - 11:40pm
    Indian Muslim
    By TCN News,

    New Delhi: Following their mentors – Jamaat-e-Islami Hind – Muslim youth group Students Islamic Organisation of India (SIO) has come out to back the movement for separate Telangana state. At Osmania
    University, which has been the centre of violent protests by pro-Telangana students and youth in Hyderabad, SIO leadership made public their stand on the issue.

    The leaders of SIO visited the Osmania University and addressed the students and media persons last week. “Telangana needs a solution and not options,” said Secretary General of SIO, P.M. Salih while addressing the press at the campus.


    Secretary General of SIO, P.M. Salih addressing the press at Osmania University
    He pointed out, “Sri Krishna Commission report has 2 major defects, one that majority of Muslims are anti-Telangana and second, the report only presents options and not solutions”. “SIO being the largest Islamic students organization supports the Telangana movement and demands a solution and not options”, he said. Salih said, “Telangana is not just an issue of social justice and human rights but also of peace”.

    “The backbone of every revolution or struggle has been the students, be it then the Chinese Revolution, the French or the Indian freedom struggle. Similarly the backbone of the Telangana movement is and will be the students,” he said.

    The Secretary General was accompanied by Shaikh Shoaib, National Secretary; Sharique Ansar, National Secretary; Shahnawaz Ali Rehan, Former National Secretary; Ansari Abubacker, Member – CAC; Zainul Pasha, Zonal Secretary – Andhra Pradesh; Syed Shafiullah Quadri, City President – Hyderabad and Mohammed Salaam. The leaders met the members of Telangana Joint Action Committee, Telangana Students Power, Professors of Osmania University and other student leaders of the University.

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  108. The high handed bureaucracy that exists in the Indian Army,will not let a soldier pick up a fallen child,leave alone supporting the citizens in a civil war...


    Dream on...

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  109. @Lavanya

    Who is talking about Civil War,Iam talking about Civil Unrest thats a real Possibility in the Coming few days. The One reason Sonia made the sudden Midnight decision was that, She got Reports from National Security Advisor warning about the Massive Civil Uprising in India .

    <<< Use your head lavanya.

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  110. Correction: civil uprising in Telangana.

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  111. Using Army as a last resort

    The Army, it seems, is getting wiser when it comes to guarding its interests. One of them is to minimise the instances of its troops being deployed to help civil authorities. So, last week when the Gurjjars took to the streets, blocking highways and causing other disruption, the Army is learnt to have taken swift preemptive action and told the

    Defence Ministry that it would not like to be deployed this time. The last time, the Army had to be called in to deter the protesters. But given that many of those leading the protest were ex-servicemen, it became a somewhat complicated situation for the Army. The Defence Ministry is said to have fully backed the Army and delivered the message up the channel even before anyone contemplated using this last resort.


    <<< KCR's meeting with Ex-Army men may be an Indication that they will be Used to lead the agitation,Gujjar Style.

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  112. I stand corrected...

    It was a typo....

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  113. I would like to write my own experience about my town's development in past five years, From the time of college I am away from my town.

    Around five years back

    1. Out village/town is Mandal head quarters on NH7, around 60km away from HYD, around 5000k population.

    2. We had very bad internal roads, main town located around the highway NH7.

    3. We had around 2-3 small hotels which serves only breakfast items no meals.

    4. No municipal water supply, every one has to depend on there private borewells, we get hard water, not much pleasant to drink if you are there for only few days, the locals had adopted.

    5. There is decades back plan to bring the Manjeera water, still pending.

    6. 3-4 small tanks for irrigation, we used to have small floods from those tanks in the rainy seasons when I was kid, at this time we hardly had water in summer season.

    7. Rents are cheap, around Rs.600/month for two bedroom kind of home. Max level building in our town is ground and first floor.

    8. Low pay servants, we had a servant for Rs.100/month, her duties are sweeps the home in/out in the morning, and clean the dishes. Every day she used to wait till my mother done with her pooja etc so that she(servant) can get some tea from my mother, and many times she helps us in many of other works like clearing stones in rice, go out to bring some vegetables for us etc.

    9. Our grandfathers place is a small village(around 50 houses), around 3km away, the only way to reach that village is by walk or our own vehicle. We used to go there for festivals by walking thru the farming lands, when I was kid it was much greener with sugar cane, rice fields etc. At this time(5 years back), not much green but okey kind with more of corn etc which require less water.

    10. We had a rail link(from Nizam era I guess), but it was a meter gage, it connects between Nizamabad and Sec'bad. We requested many times from decades to make it to broadgage so that much business can be done (broadgage is available from Nizamabad to North India, only the link between Nizamabad to HYD was missing). At that time the broadgage construction was going on.

    11. No good hospitals, no 24/7 hospitals, no docters available after 8pm, they used to come from HYD every day. Only RMPs available in the nights, festivals and Sundays. There is a pathetic govt. hospital which is away from town, on one dare to go there alone in the night, locals joke about that saying you get more disease if you go there,

    12. No Junior/degree colleges available(around 15-20km radious).

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  114. Current situation

    Because of the boost in industrialization in this century around the world, HYD too developing very fast after 2000, when many new industries who wanted to start there business in HYD are either turned down or they thought it was very expensive, they started establishing there units around the HYD instead of in the HYD. In this way many of industries has choosen our town because it is not a very border to HYD at the same time near to HYD, well connected via road and rail(broadgage is completed now). Because of these industries there are many changes/developments in our town.

    1. There was no industries before 2005, now I see around 8-10 industries constructed there unites and they are already in operational.

    2. Many and many people who employed in those have moved to our town.

    3. Because of them rents gone to rocket height, a enough decent place is rented like Rs.1000 per room/month.

    4. Every where so many constructions are going on because of demand of the rented homes. Good business for hardware shops and many new construction supply shops are opened. So much labor opportunity in construction side.

    5. Two new 24/7 hospitals with surgery theater started in our town.

    6. Now servants are demanding atleast Rs400/month for same duties, now our servant starts at our home very very early and leaves as soon as she done to start at another home. No extra work or waiting for tea.

    7. I see a new five store building with lift facility. :)

    8. I see no farming lands when I walk to my village, all are either abandon or converted into some kind industries. Many of farmers sold there lands to industries with very good price, now they got good bank balance I guess.

    9. Lack of maintenance for Irrigation tanks, they became dry, I can see them almost flat after water was almost gone, no fun for our butukamma festival.

    10. Our 5acre farming land is abandoned due to the lack of water, we tried with 3 failed borewells.

    11. 4-5 new dhabas in the outskirts for night life !!

    12. Now our hotels serve meals too, 2-3 new fast food centers(like noodels, sandwich etc, I am surprised to see those available in our small town)

    13. Transportation is improved(?) to local villages with many of private vehicles.

    14. New bypass highway(NH7) was built to bypass our town. Good for local traffic as our town was almost around the old highway.

    15. Now many of locals making good money because of this sudden change. Even though there is much development, this all came from private industries only.

    16. Local roads are in the same condition.

    17. Still no municipal water supply. Our home borewell was dried a year back, govt banned new borewells without permission in our area, so we had to bribe around 20k to get the permission for drilling the new well. Looks like govt policy is like neither They dont supply water nor they dont give permission for borewell. Kind of good news is, now we have two new private water purification businesses who supply Rs20/50Lt can. We depend on them for every day drinking.

    18.Still no govt junior/Degree college.

    19. Same pathetic govt. hospital.

    20. Drainage water still flowing on the roads.

    If you ask SKC, they say there is so much development in our town, locals income is increased lik 200-300%, there is no discrimination. But what they dont want to see is, what govt did to our town other than collecting taxes. In there entire report they keep talking about after 2000 year development because they can easily prove what they want to prove if they take only after 2000 year numbers. They dont want to discuss the developments prior to 2000 or dont want to talk about past/current tax collection and spending.

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  115. Green star,

    That is the case with almost every town around every big city. nothing unique.
    In far far away srikakulam, after 50 years of independence they have a vamshadhara barrage. but today there is no labour available to work in the farms.

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  116. Quote:
    "
    That is the case with almost every town around every big city. nothing unique."

    If so, America should not claim the success of Bill Gates, his success was his own work. India can not claim the success of NASA just because we Indians first built a rocket in the world.

    The same way, when we accused the govt. for discrimination, it is foolish to reject us by showing our development which is nothing to do with Govt.

    I wonder what will be our percaptia incomes before 2000 where our regional developments was not much influenced by private sector.

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  117. >>We are very well know that if TRS say the milk is white, you utterly reject it.

    If Lagadapati says the milk is black, all his divoties (Name less, POK, sera and other SA fanboys etc) will wide open there eyes, blushing, happy crying ... grasp that great knowledge from there lord Lagadapaati.

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  118. The important and very positive development for Telangana.
    RajNews finally could see through the leaders of Telangana.
    After wasting a whole year of TDP SA bashing it finally realized that villian #1 is Telangan political establishment and none else.
    It higlighted 1969 sell-off, missed opprtinity in 1973 and present brazenness of ministerial aspirants.
    It will help TRS a lot to get political mileage. At the same more importantly it will guide T-vaadis in right direction.

    Well this outcry by RajNews is not its own. Many samaikhayvaadis raised similar questions to T-vaadis.
    "What your leaders doing for 60 years?"
    But great thinkers and born intelligents like Sujai, Lavanya a host of others blamed SA leaders for everything.
    They argued ignorace, lack political experience blah blah.
    But reality is T politicians are still novice and do not understand anything beyond holding some power that fullfils self-interest.

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  119. Quote:
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    "What your leaders doing for 60 years?""

    Yes, our leaders are dumbs, we accepted that many times before. Thats why the current agitation is led by JAC but not by political parties.

    At the same time it is called cheating if you ate our share of food by saying we didnt claim when it was hot or we are sleeping or you thought we are already full.

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  120. "What your leaders doing for 60 years?"


    <<<< Our leaders are Sold out to Andhra politicians for the past 60 years. Thats the only reason leaders like D Sreenavas is still the PCC president, even after being Rejected in the elections for 3times by Telangana people, The only Reason People like him are still in Power is Because the Andhra rulers want only "weak" Politicans in power for Telangana, they hate Telangana popular politicans with Mass Base like PJR holding any Portfolio, But they love Turncoats like Danem Nagendhar, who is given a Ministerial Berth and Even Invited him for Cock fights during Sankranthi. Your Andhra Rule is no different from British rule or anyother colonial rule, you Ensure that Only Puppets come to power in Telangana and Scorn any Popular Protests or Change as Determinental to "Stability" or "Development".

    Our Leaders will Not do Anything in a United AP even for Coming 600 years, because they are not our "leaders" but in Reality the "Puppets" Selected carefully to play to you Andhra tune.

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  121. Doubtful Role of Duggal and ‘Secret’ Basis of ‘Conclusions’
    – Prof . Madabhushi Sridhar( Part 1)



    Committee for Consultations on the Situation in Andhra Pradesh (CCSAP) headed by Justice B. N. Srikrishna had a single most achievement of establishing peace during 2010, after the state witnessing turbulent agitations following the fast-unto-death by K Chandrasekhara Rao, President of Telangana Rashtrasamithi leading to 9th December declaration by Union Home Minister that process of forming Telangana state commenced and resignation spree of legislators from Coastal Andhra. Another responsibility fulfilled by CCSAP is wide-ranging consultation process, which should have preceded the December 9 declaration. Being just a home committee of Home department, CCSAP has no legal status of any sort. It is not a ‘commission’ under Commission of Inquiry Act, thus did not have a status of civil court and adverse commenting on its report cannot become ‘contempt of court’. The terms of reference are nothing but examining the demands of separate Telangana and united state, consulting all sections and making any recommendations. It was not meant even to perform a ‘fact-finding’ mission. Merely because it is headed by a former judge, it is not judicial enquiry. The CCSAP did not follow the mechanism of examining the claims and checking them across unlike in judicial enquiry. It did not even adopt natural principles of justice necessitating avoiding departmental bias and hearing the other view to derive logical conclusions on contentious issues, which attracted criticism that it heavily depended on the reports made by the State Government. The final delivery of the CCSAP is neither a judgment nor a finding. Its report is gradually becoming a catalyst for generating controversies and kicking up agitation once again. Besides several blunders and errors reflecting callous report writing, the CCSAP made serious mistakes of allowing member-secretary to have secret deliberations with state officers and keeping a very substantial part of report ‘secret’. The gains of the Committee in achieving the peace and fulfilling obligation of making wide range consultations with all sections of people from three regions of Andhra Pradesh, might get vitiated by closed-door consultations with bureaucrats of state as evidenced by truncated Chapter 8 on law and order, of the Report itself. Cumulative understanding of the entire narration leads to inference that the Union Home Ministry desired denial of Telangana state and suppression of any agitation as a consequence of breaching the commitment made on December 9.

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  122. Doubtful Role of Duggal and ‘Secret’ Basis of ‘Conclusions’ –( Part 2)
    It is very disturbing to know that the basis of ‘The Way Forward’ – the conclusion and solutions chapter of Srikrishna Committee (Committee for Consultations on the Situation in Andhra Pradesh), is maintained as top secret and the Ministry of Home Affairs made only incomplete report available to the people. The deliberations by senior bureaucrats of 17 districts in Andhra Pradesh, were not open to the full Committee but made only to Mr. V.K. Duggal, member secretary of the Committee. It creates an impression that the Government influenced the Committee through Ministry of Home Affairs using its former officer as the Member-Secretary. If true, it undermines the significance and respect of Mr. Justice Srikrishna Committee. The page 423(chapter eight) of Report is not in tune with the reputation of the head of the Committee, Mr. Justice Srikrishna as credible and independent judge and its members. Without Chapter 8 on Law and Order (which was given to Ministry of Home Affairs in sealed cover) the Report is incomplete and the people in general are denied access to substantial part which made the Committee to decide the way it has decided.
    Neither this Committee nor the Government of India explained why and what is the secret about the deliberations of the police and other senior officers of state on a public issue like separate Telangana or united Andhra Pradesh? Why should they have one-to-one meeting with only Duggal when the Committee with five members headed by a former judge of Supreme Court is making a very serious and deep study of the political problem of separation of Andhra Pradesh? Is it not disrespect to the Committee in general and to Justice Srikrishna in particular?
    The Union Home Minister Chidambaram invited on 6th January 2011, all AP political parties to national capital to deliver the copies of report without Chapter 8. Even the Home Minister did not choose to share that chapter 8 with the leaders of the political parties from Andhra Pradesh, who are expected to formulate their views on the recommendations of the Committee. Though it may be reasonable for the Committee to report to MHA for keeping an important chapter secret from public, it is unreasonable for the MHA to retain it as secret. What remained in the report was just a paragraph that is given in the box below.
    Most Problematic and controversial page 423 of Srikrishna Report
    8.1.01 During the Committee’s tenure, immediate law and order problems, and also the long-term internal security implications, including the growth of Maoist/Naxal activities were examined. These apprehensions had been expressed in the memoranda submitted by the Political Parties and various other groups, and also during interactions with different stake holders at the State level meetings as well as when the Committee visited the districts and villages. Besides, the Member Secretary had one to one discussions on this subject with senior officers of the State Government, Police Department and local administration (in seventeen districts). Inputs were also obtained from various other sources. A note on the above covering all aspects has been prepared and is being submitted to the Ministry of Home Affairs in a separate cover along with this Report. The Committee has kept these dimensions in view while discussing various options included in Chapter 9 of the Report, i.e., “The Way Forward”.

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  123. Doubtful Role of Duggal and ‘Secret’ Basis of ‘Conclusions’ –( Part 3)


    This statement, which is the single page Chapter 8 of the Report, makes it obvious that the discussions with senior officers were not made in presence of full committee, and also that six districts are omitted, totally. As per the Report, the deliberations between Mr V. K. Duggal, member secretary of the Committee and former senior bureaucrat of Home Ministry, and bureaucrats of 17 districts, formed the ‘basis’ or considered by the Committee while offering six options in Chapter 9. It is also not known which of those six districts are and why they are omitted. Political parties and people in general are asked to decide the future course of action in dark as they do not have access to complete report.
    This paragraph in page 423 is also very significant because entire conclusions were drawn based on deliberations of officers of seventeen districts to one individual officer, and that is expected to guide the Union Government in deciding the future of Telangana or Andhra Pradesh.
    When the full committee is not taken into confidence and situation is not totally explained, how can it formulate final views (as told to Member Secretary and then by him to the Committee) as the basis for Chapter 9, which is final word of the entire report. The members of the committee were denied chance to cross check the points and figures mentioned in that confidential deliberation. It is neither proper nor in public interest to rely on such views, which are not openly discussed or verified. Not only that it excluded totally the other point of view, but also smacks of contempt for CCSAP, its head, Justice Srikrishna and respected members, the elected representatives, political parties, academicians, associations, and people in general who with great respect and expectations presented their points of view. (Since this CCSAP was not constituted under Commissions of Inquiry Act as a commission with a civil court status, the provisions of Contempt of Court Act, cannot be invoked to prosecute the persons attributing motives for the judgment) Though some groups including Telangana Rashtra Samithi were initially reluctant to present their arguments before the Committee, almost every political party, society and association have respected the Committee by presenting before it.
    Keeping this part of the report of the Committee as secret is highly objectionable and against the principles of transparency in administration. The very purpose of the constitution of this committee is to make wide and open consultation with all sections and stake holders. That purpose is defeated when administration did not discuss with Committee in an open platform, but preferred secret deliberations with Duggal only. This secretive deliberations leads to a question that whether the committee was allowed to work with an open democratic frame at all?
    It sends signals across the country that the substantial part of report is either penned or totally suggested by member secretary and wetted by Home Ministry. ‘Thus essentially it will lead to a conclusion that ‘the way forward’ (Chapter 9, the optimal solutions and options) must have been made out as desired by the Government of India. It will be difficult for the political parties and the people to consider these conclusions of the committee as they are substantially based on unrevealed reasons. Such clandestine transfer of information does not facilitate the Committee to be independent on this highly contentious issue and might also provoke all sorts of rumors. The rumors will flourish as long as secrecy in public affairs continues.

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  124. more at

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/telangana/page-423-skc/10150125810811189

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  125. Yes, our leaders are dumbs, we accepted that many times before. Thats why the current agitation is led by JAC but not by political parties
    It is unfortunate to deal with people lead by dumbs.
    Which JAC you are talking?
    Whom are they talking to?
    It is only TRS and KCR all the way. Which is political again with agenda of elections and collections.

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  126. It is so funny that great 'stars' here admit dumbness of the leaders so late.
    Of course late better than never.
    The first step is not spreading hatred on others but bringing awareness in thier own people.
    Enough waters have flown after 1973-4 incidents. T-vaadis cannot hide behind ignorance/innocence/dubmness of their leaders. Educate your own leaders. T people have to elect some of the very same leaders even after separate state is formed. But their dumbness will more dangerous to separate state.
    A simple example. T state propose to build a new dam across Krishna. Andhra leaders will either buy these dubms or put pressure from high-command. And the project will hang at proposal stage only.
    Someone here may shout "First T state after that we will reform everything". But think yourself. These leaders are unable to stand for people's wish (assuming one really exists) at such a heated and decisive stage of movement. How they can be expected to fare better after T formation when everything forgotten and people start enjoying?

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  127. 33 MP's and one cabinet. Post achievement possible only in samaikhya andhra

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  128. Quote:
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    It is unfortunate to deal with people lead by dumbs."

    Looks like you didn't understand correctly what I said. I said the current movement is not led by dumbs, JACs leading the movement.

    Quote:
    "
    Which JAC you are talking?"

    There is no one JAC but many.

    Quote:
    "
    It is only TRS and KCR all the way."

    I cant help you if you see only political JAC among many.

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  129. Quote:
    "
    It is so funny that great 'stars' here admit dumbness of the leaders so late."

    Looks like you are very late in the game, it was accepted long long back.

    Quote:
    "
    Of course late better than never."

    From your side you never accepted that you broke the Gentlemen's agreement, looks like you are never going to accept :)

    Quote:
    "
    The first step is not spreading hatred on others but bringing awareness in thier own people."

    Here we go, another Gandhi came here who called us Taliban, terrorist, Anti-nationals, drukners ... and many.

    Quote:
    "
    But their dumbness will more dangerous to separate state."

    For dumbs, it is always better to do there business on there own than partnering with who always try to betray this dumb.

    Quote:
    "
    A simple example. T state propose to build a new dam across Krishna. Andhra leaders will either buy these dubms or put pressure from high-command. And the project will hang at proposal stage only."

    So, you still dont understand what we want to achieve. Still there is a flaw in your logic. Lets take a look at your scenario, in current state Andhra leaders can stop the projects in TG and propose new projects for there regions by using the combined resources/funds, that way they can make more money and win their peoples hearts. If TG is separated, still they may stop our projects, but our resources/funds still with us.

    Quote:
    "
    How they can be expected to fare better after T formation when everything forgotten and people start enjoying?"

    why do you assume that people will forget everything and start enjoying once TG is formed?

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  130. I cant help you if you see only political JAC among many.
    It does not matter whom I accept as JAC.
    You have completely ignored my other question "whom they are talking?"
    If JAC is leading the movement governments must be involving them in any kind of interaction discussion. Not me many T thinker raised this. Why government is not involving any of them? In Jan 2010 as well as Jan 2011 center talked to political parties only. Not even political JAC. Only SKC interacted with various JACs. There is some kind of mutual rejection. SKC rejected most of arguments and JACs rejected committee report.
    Yes! There are planty of JAC's and even JACs of JACs. None of them had official role.
    One can see JACs leading the movement only if they get due recognition from decision makers.

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  131. If TG is separated, still they may stop our projects, but our resources/funds still with us.
    It is very unfortunate to get into this (low)level of discussion.
    You are saying cheating is habit of Andhras and getting cheated TGs. If so what is the gaurantee your resources are also not looted? If not Andhras somebody else. Take the case of Obulapuram. With YSR backing Gaali could loot mines in Anantapuram. SC panel confirmed the same. What Seema people could do now? Was it not their wealth? We also know the case of Bayyaram.
    You allege Andhras as looters but another Telugu from neighbour could loot those looters.
    Then how can you protect your resources when your leaders continue to be dumb?

    I can guess your answer
    either "first Telangana and we will take care rest" or
    "our fight is against only andhras"

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  132. Greenstar,

    you have right to call your own leaders dumbs or anything else bcoz you elect them.
    But you can draw corollaries that Andhras cheats, looters etc.
    You do not understand the basic concept of share and care.

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  133. Quote:
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    It is very unfortunate to get into this (low)level of discussion. You are saying cheating is habit of Andhras and getting cheated TGs."

    This is what happens if you dont read it properly,

    Question: "A simple example. T state propose to build a new dam across Krishna. Andhra leaders will either buy these dubms or put pressure from high-command. And the project will hang at proposal stage only."

    My answer: If TG is separated, still they may stop our projects, but our resources/funds still with us.

    Before above answer I also mentioned: Lets take a look at your scenario,....

    When you asked me what I do if you cheat me? do you expect me to say that 'you' dont cheat me?

    Quote:
    "
    Then how can you protect your resources when your leaders continue to be dumb?"

    Our dumb leader's only excuse for there current incompetence is blaming at majority Andhra leaders, they dont have that excuse in TG state. Didn't we do the same thing for our independence, first throw the Britishers out then started working towards our problems? Didn't you did the same thing when you separated from Madras? Have you thought anything about capital or any future financial problems before the separation? Nope.

    Atleast our demand for urgent separation has many reasons. But Andhra, you cried like a hell for urgent separation from Madras without a proper reason.

    first Telangana and we will take care rest

    Yup. You got us right.

    By the way, about your 'looting', didnt Bhargava report already proved that few decades back? Correct me if I am wrong?

    Quote:
    "
    You do not understand the basic concept of share and care."

    We understand the universal meaning of 'concept of share and care' but we never understand Seemandra meaning of 'concept of share and care'.

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  134. UnitedAndhra divotis ask many questions about TG future, but they never going to say how they are going to fix the current problems in United AP. They dont have any answer about why Seemandra spend more funds than they collect. Why there is always more illegal govt job placements from Seemandra to Telangana. Why they enjoy more water resources than TG. Why they have universities all over the places but TG has only in HYD or surroundings of HYD.

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  135. Greenstar,

    more you explain your stand more you make T leaders and yourself a laughing stock.
    Let us put an end to this 'dumbness' with

    a. What is important to serve people is not just power but understanding and intention. Look at how some backward states in India are transforming today.

    b. Solving problems in United AP: cheap attempts of trapping in discussion. Whatever happened is only some abberration. You T-vaadis failed to convince it is life and death issue. So it is meaningless to discuss it further.


    BTW, you have not replied yet to status of JAC and so-called people's movement. I assert again all that happened before and after Dec 9 2009 is political drama of congress and TRS to gain at the expense of TDP and Jagan. But it backfired very badly. And the worst hit are T-vaadis bcoz their meaningless allegations are throughly exposed once for all.

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  136. Unfortunately, T-movement was born more out of hatred and a wrongly brain-washed sense of suppression. Even if T is granted, T won't rest in peace. Andhra might seem to have done injustice to T (some out of non-interest and some out of lack of feasibility) but Andhras, I consider are capable enough to prosper :)

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  137. Sheer arrogance....U guys are capable of prospering at the cost of our miseries..
    Yes,If T is granted,T wont rest in peace until the aspirations of the TG people are met.We have a lot of work to rebuild the Telangana and regain our suppressed identity.

    Regd wrong brainwashing and hatred...pls go through this blog once on the related articles and come back..if u still fell the same..please visit your nearest doctor to check your mental IQ.

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  138. @Indian:

    "Even if T is granted, T won't rest in peace"

    Don't worry about us. Andhras can enjoy in their own state.

    "Andhras, I consider are capable enough to prosper"

    Let them prosper with our best wishes *but* in their own state.

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  139. @Indian,
    Sheer arrogance....U guys are capable of prospering at the cost of our miseries..
    Yes,If T is granted,T wont rest in peace until the aspirations of the TG people are met.We have a lot of work to rebuild the Telangana and regain our suppressed identity.

    Regd wrong brainwashing and hatred...pls go through this blog once on the related articles and come back..if u still fell the same..please visit your nearest doctor to check your mental IQ.

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  140. The 'Ceded' districts are also claiming their right to be a part of T since they were part of Nizam kingdom.

    The 'Circars' districts are also claiming their right to be a part of T since they were part of Nizam kingdom.

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  141. [The 'Circars' districts are also claiming their right to be a part of T since they were part of Nizam kingdom. ]

    Who asked you that we want Nizam kingdom?

    [Don't worry about us. Andhras can enjoy in their own state.]

    Yes, you can, so why the hell you cry a lot for HYD? Dont forget, at some point(before the merge) your andhra state was in bankrupt state, and there only hope was to merge with Telangana for there survival.

    [T-movement was born more out of hatred and a wrongly brain-washed sense of suppression.]

    United movement was born over night with the sponsor of very few industrialists turned politicians to grab the HYD, but not the fall in love with Telangana people or there great love of common language.

    [cheap attempts of trapping in discussion...So it is meaningless to discuss it further. ]

    or another way to say is no answer to our questions.

    [You T-vaadis failed to convince it is life and death issue.]

    And you proved your life and death issue when you want to separate from Madras or from Telangana.

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  142. Now I understand why our Mr-Missed-The-Nobel missed it. He is couple of paces behind liberals, reformers, himanright activists of the country. Look at Teesta Seetalvad. Being unhappy with Indian judiciary she wrote to UN HRC on Gujarat riots issue.
    She could take such a bold step for hardly decade old injustice. But our great Sujai could bot do the same for 60 year injustice.

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  143. Greenstar,

    why drift further? You have not answered the question on JAC leading the movement.
    It is meaningless to compare T movement with Andhra movement. That was a movement with true self-respect. Against the conspiracy theories spread by T-vaadis Andhras bravely accepted a economically weak state.
    But T-vaadis are looking to live on a economy developed by others (then Nizam now Andhras)

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  144. It really surprises me when people speak about self respect.They watch Tamil dubbed movies where even the sign boards are written in Tamil.When asked about it they simply cover up by saying we are open hearted to accept anyone whereas the reality is something else.

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  145. The Fundamental Basis for Samykhandhra:

    1.A Large State will have greater Share of MP's , So can Demand more Funds From the Centre.

    <<<FAILED
    Even with 32 MP's the State Managed to get only 1 Cabinet post that too some Unimportant ministry. Where as Tamilnadu with only Half Share of MP's managed to Bag Numerous Key Cabinet Berths.

    2. Telugu Athma Govaravam(Self-respect)

    <<< FAILED
    Our United Andhra MP have lost whatever "Iota" of self-respect the state had.
    No Telanganite is going to believe that Telugu Self respect Crap anymore.

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  146. Why has not SKC discussed about reunion of Andhra with TN to form a united Madras state as it existed before 1950? If unity is the name of the game let us get back to pre 1950s. Still Hyderabad would exist as a separate state with the union of Andhra with TN to form a united Madras state. Has the govt taken opinion of Tamil people while separting Andhra? why did not SKC talk about that? SKC was corrupt as it can be made out from the numerous lapses in the report which seemed to be prepared hurriedly by doing Cut Copy paste from variety of reports submitted by Lanco owner Lagadapati. Govt should order high level inquiry into the corruption and scam of SKC.

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  147. Another SA leaders argument: No security for SA people in TG state, so HYD should be made as UT:

    FAILED.

    No answer to the question regarding the security of thousands of SA people in Khamam, Nizamabad and Warangal.

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  148. KaChaRa,his son KaTaRa and Mr Missed-The-Nobel-By-A-Whisker must nominated afresh for Nobel Peace Prize this year.We will keep our fingers crossed,if they get it we will celebrate it.
    Mr.Missed-The-Nobel must also be nominated to Magassasay for his ideas on Stone pelting and his views on nonviolence.

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  149. Flash ...flash...

    By supporting SKC option-6 infront of Pranab, Seemandra leaders proved one more time that they keep reject themselves and there ideologies.

    1953-Verpatu vadam
    1956-Samakya vadam
    1972-Verpatu vadam
    2009-Samakya vadam.

    another example.

    1956-Proposed/supported autonomous Telangana development board or what ever
    1972-Rejected/dismantle the Telangana development board.
    2010-Proposing/supporting the Telangana development board.

    Funny thing is they say telangana is developed like USA, and propose the separate development board Telangana,

    more funny thing is if that board want to do something, they have to get approval for that from State Assembly which is majority of Seemandras.

    What a morons...

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  150. >>must nominated afresh for Nobel Peace Prize this year.

    After your Lavadapati receives his Peace price, it will make the way to our KaCaRa and others.

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  151. External Link:
    http://www.fullhyderabad.com/hyderabad-news/state-gets-first-telangana-advocate-general-3342

    AP's Advocate General, From Telangana

    18th Jan, 2011: A Sudarshan Reddy from Telangana, who is a senior practising advocate of the AP high court, has been appointed to the post of Advocate General of the state, according to a government order.

    The Srikrishna panel report has specifically mentioned that no advocate has so far been appointed as AG from the Telangana region. Therefore, the current posting of Sudarshan Reddy is a new development, in the wake of allegations of a step-motherly treatment meted out to the people of Telangana.

    Reddy seems to have had good ties with the CM since they were classmates in college.

    The AG is believed to have been instrumental in creating a stir along with the other Telangana advocates, for a quota for legal counsels in the high court.

    The name of the Supreme Court lawyer P Niroopreddy also made rounds for this post, but he could not make it as he had links with those who were part of the Telangana struggle. Besides, Niroopreddy is said to have contested the Medak Parliamentary seat on a BJP ticket.

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  152. 1953-Verpatu vadam
    1956-Samakya vadam
    1972-Verpatu vadam
    2009-Samakya vadam


    You compare T movement with Andhra movement. Fine! You are trying to tell otherside in their terms.
    But what is need to copy the same from other commentors?
    Grow man(or lady?) grow.

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  153. Don,

    looks like you are taking the following very seriously.
    was a movement with true self-respect.

    That self-respect is no different from T self-respect. Both for more political space.

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  154. భార్గవ కమిషన్ 1969 లోనే సీమండ్రులు తెలంగాణా పైసలు దోబ్బెసారని వాళ్ళ మోకాల మీద 'దొంగలు' అని ముద్రేసి పోయింది , SKC గాల్లు అసలు ఆ విషయమే రాయలేదు, SKC సీమంద్రోల్ల మోచేతి నీళ్ళు తాగారనటానికి ఇంత కన్నా పెద్ద ఉదాహరణ అవసరం లేదు.

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  155. శ్రీ కృష్ణ కమిటి తెలంగాణాలో పర్యటిస్తున్న రోజుల్లో....

    SKC: నీ పేరేంటి?
    మల్లయ్య: నా పేరు మల్లయ్య .
    SKC: ఏమి చేస్తుంటావు ?
    మల్లయ్య: వ్యయసాయం
    SKC: వ్యయసాయం ఎలా ఉంది?
    మల్లయ్య: ఏమి బాగా లేదయ్యా , నీళ్ళు లేవు , ప్రబుత్వం కాలవలు కట్టిస్తే బాగుంటుంది, మాకు పది కిలో మీటర్ల దూరంలోనే నది ఉంది, కాని తాగటానికి కూడా కట కట.
    SKC: దానికి ప్రబుత్వం ఏమి చేస్తుందయ్యా , మీ తెలంగాణా ఎత్తులో ఉంది, నీళ్ళు ఎక్కడయినా పైకి ఎక్కుతాయ?
    మల్లయ్య: అదేంటయ్య అల అంటావు, మా ప్రాజెక్టు నా సిన్నప్పుడు మొదలయ్యింది, మా ఉరికి నిల్లోస్తాయని జెప్పారు, ఎప్పుడు నేను సావుకు వచ్చాను, నీళ్ళు లేవు ఏమి లేవు.
    SKC: ఏంటో చెప్తున్నావు , వినబడటం లేదు , మల్లి చెప్పు,
    మల్లయ్య: నాకు గా ఎత్తులు పల్లాలు తెలవదయ్య, నాకు తెలిసినది ఏంటంటే మా తెలంగాణాలో ప్రాజెక్టులు కట్టటం సాద్యం కాదు అనేది నిజమయితే , మరి మొదలు పెట్టినవి 100 % పూర్తీ అవ్వాలి కదా ? సాద్యం అయ్యే ప్రాజెక్టులే మొదలు పెట్టారుగా, అవన్న త్వరగా పూర్తీ కావలిగా?
    SKC: ఎవరయ్య అక్కడ వెనుక మాట్లాడుతుంది, మీరంతా అల గొడవ చేస్తే ఈయన చెప్పేది నాకు ఎలా అర్థం అవుతుంది? ........ ఆ మల్లయ్య మల్లి చెప్పు.......
    మల్లయ్య: మాకు కాలవ సంకుస్తాపన జరిగి ముప్పై ఏళ్ళు ......
    మల్లయ్య మాటలు వినటం మానేసి .....
    SKC: సమయాభావం వలన వెంటనే వెళ్లి పో వలసి వస్తుంది. మాకు మీ సమస్యలు చెప్పి మాకు సహకరించి నందుకు ధన్యవాదాలు

    SKC తన రిపోర్ట్ పేపర్లు తీసి ఇలా రాసుకుంటాడు. "ఇక్కడ తెలంగాణాలో ప్రాజెక్టులు కాట్టటం లేదని అందరు ఫిర్యాదు చేస్తున్నారు, వాస్తవికంగా, భౌగోళికంగా ఇక్కడ ప్రాజెక్టులు కట్టటం సాద్యం కాదు "

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  156. Sera,

    I don't have much info on separate Gujarat movement.
    There was and that is why the solution worked out that way.
    But here we have a United AP movement.
    So there lies all the difference.


    Sera,


    I agree that there was United AP movement in AP. But you must also know the facts on United AP movement.
    The agenda of United AP movement

    Verbal Attack on
    1. TRS.
    2. Telangana Students.
    3. Telangana Employees.
    4. Sheva yatra of KCR.
    5. JAC.

    Manhandling on
    1. Boarder region people (Nalgonda & Maheboob Nagar).

    Do you accept this kind of activities as United movement.
    Minimum knowledge and minimum common sense will say that above movement is not at all United movement.
    Common sense says that if people want's to run United AP movement they should try to convince people of Telangana how our problems can be addressed, what are steps can be taken etc.. Instead they did exactly opposite way. Even when cases were lifted against Telangana students all leaders and students from SeemAndhra objected it.

    I don't think that was a genuine movement. Some rich people wants to save their illegal property in Telangana that is the main reason behind United AP movement.

    Jai Telangana

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