Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Telangana 82: Crimes against Humanity

An Open Letter to the Future Leaders of Telangana

Once Telangana is formed there is a good chance that we will be so happy and ecstatic that we may be ready to forgive anyone, even those who committed crimes against our people.  I would like to warn us that such forgiveness will not be a sign of magnanimity but a sign of dereliction of our duty.

It is our duty to make sure we set the right precedents by prosecuting those who have used the instrument of power to impose repressive measures against the common man, depriving him of his basic rights, stripping him of human dignity, treating him like a criminal based on hunches and assumptions.   In the last one year, the police and the authorities in our government have resorted to crimes against humanity and they should not be spared just because we got all busy in celebrations upon formation of Telangana.

It is our duty that no such repression happens elsewhere in this country, so that no other region or group have to endure a tyrannical administration just because they have no political or economic power, or because they are a minority in a state.  

It is our duty to ensure that the process of state formation in this country doesn’t have to be so tough, so hard and so challenging.   We in Telangana happen to be one of the most politically aware groups in the country, and even we had to face so many obstacles and hardships in our fight for a genuine and legitimate demand for statehood.  Imagine what it must be like for those people who are not able to garner this kind of political pressure or this kind of mass mobilization.   Their voice must have been suppressed before it is even raised. 

In the last one year, we had to face indiscriminate arrests that were done based on pure whims and fancy of the police officers and administrators at the behest of callous and apathetic Seemandhra government.  Kids are taken into custody and beaten up.   Anyone sympathetic to the cause of Telangana could be in jail today.  Even some of the egregious dictators would not submit their people to such totalitarianism. 
When Nazis were defeated in World War II, they wanted to be treated as equals, as a losing country against the victors.  They wanted to come to the table to discuss the post-war terms and conditions to sign a treaty.  However, the Allies were in no mood to treat them as equals.  They wanted to treat the German officers and leaders who carried out crimes against humanity as criminals.  And therefore we had an historical set of judicial procedures called Nuremberg Trials.  It was to set an example to all mankind so that no other country in future would use their unbridled power to suppress, maim and kill other human beings so mercilessly. 

The Nazi officers argued that they were just following the commands and diktats of their bosses.  But the Nuremberg Trials clearly established the theory of human responsibility.  It demanded that the human conscience should prevail when delivering such oppressive measures coming from the commanding officers, even if it means one has to go against the official orders where necessary.   These officers were found guilty as a party to crime though they were just executing their jobs. 

If we do not follow up on these crimes and prosecute the police officers and administrators in charge of these atrocities against common and innocent people of Telangana, similar incidents will happen elsewhere in this country and may be even within Telangana in future. We carry a huge responsibility to set an example, not to seek revenge, but to deliver justice.  We are in a unique position to set things right and we should not shy away from this duty bestowed upon us by the turn of historical events.

The way India championed the cause of freedom for many countries in Asia and Africa from the colonial masters after it became independent, Telangana should fight for the cause of new state formations in India in future.

Today we carry an obligation and duty given to us by human conscience to set a precedent for others so that no more will another human endure the same affliction in this country. Let’s pray there are no more Telanganas-under-Seemandhras in this country.  

I want to request you to use your current position to convey the message right now that we will prosecute the administrators and police officers who are complying with the dictatorial and oppressive diktats.  They should be told that they are a party to crime against humanity.   We may be ready to forgive Seemandhra leaders, activists and people once Telangana is formed but we will not forgive the administrators and the police officers, those in positions of power, who have imposed the flagrant repression onto the people of Telangana. 

Further Reading:  Opening Statement of the Prosecution in the Einsatzgruppen Trial, September 29, 1947. (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/einsatzopenpros.html)

276 comments:

  1. Noam chomsky famously said:

    If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

    http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm

    Reporters Without Borders issued its annual press freedom index for 2010, in which India dropped 17 positions and was ranked at 122 among the 178 ranked countries.


    The Police may have Illegally detained 100,000 Telangana people in one single day But each District SP was under Direct Pressure to Fullfill his Arrest quota by our Andhra govt. Then there are many Andhras serving under AP police banner who derive Sadistic Pleasure Shooting at and beating telangana people. Its impossible to bring The Andhra People responsible for these violations to be brought to Court, the Only effective way is Street Justice for these people.

    and today a AP minister TG Venkatesh in response to a journalists question of installing statues of TG persons in Andhra said
    <<<" Samaikhandhra antey KCR vigraham kuda andhralo pedtham"

    In telangana language we call it Phakar or Bhalupu , and we will Inflate the Bhalpu of Andhras in coming days.

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  2. Noam chomsky famously said:

    If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

    http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm

    Reporters Without Borders issued its annual press freedom index for 2010, in which India dropped 17 positions and was ranked at 122 among the 178 ranked countries.


    The Police may have Illegally detained 100,000 Telangana people in one single day But each District SP was under Direct Pressure to Fullfill his Arrest quota by our Andhra govt. Then there are many Andhras serving under AP police banner who derive Sadistic Pleasure Shooting at and beating telangana people. Its impossible to bring The Andhra People responsible for these violations to be brought to Court, the Only effective way is Street Justice for these people.

    and today a AP minister TG Venkatesh in response to a journalists question of installing statues of TG persons in Andhra said
    <<<" Samaikhandhra antey KCR vigraham kuda andhralo pedtham"

    In telangana language we call it Phakar or Bhalupu , and we will Inflate the Bhalpu of Andhras in coming days.

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  3. Sujai,

    Sorry to comment like this, but honestly something is going wrong with you. How can you compare the Gestapo or SS of Hitler with the police of AP? The cops are doing their lawful duty of protecting the citizens of AP. What do you want them to do? Sit quiet if 10 L people converge onto Hyd roads. Sit quiet if stones are being thrown around? Sit quiet if your shops are attacked? If buses are burnt.

    What is wrong with you sujai? You are getting into paranoia.

    The cops are doing their jobs. Don't think you can create a fear in them by stating that after T is formed you will hold nuremberg kind of trials. it sounds silly.

    And 'Anonymous' : what street justice are you referring to?

    In the 69 agitation an incident is worth recalling. A young kid threw a stone at a army picket near Neo Mysore Cafe, nampally station road. He threw the stone from inside the Golden Threshold bldg. A few minutes later he popped his head out to see if the stone did its job. I don't know if his stone got his target, but the army jawan did not miss his target - the kid .

    So please don't get caried away by Egypt, Tunisia, Nazi Germany etc. This is a completely different issue. Sujai is lost in some other world. He will take a little more time to come down to earth. T issue is not what Sujai makes it to be. There are many of us who are also Telanganites and who think differently. We will lso come out and voice our opinions when the time is correct and in a manner that we feel is correct. It will not be agitations or dharnas or street fights. There are quieter methods. We will use them. We are using them. I am sure you are also observing the change among T people from Adilabad to MBNR to Nalgonda to Nizamabad. A small voceferous group led by this reddy or that reddy is not the voice of all people. every single leader involved in the movement has a personal agenda.

    What Sujai warns in this article is possible only if he becomes the dictator of an independent T country.

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  4. Great article sujai.people like u shud lead telangana and prosecute all those andhra SOBs.

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  5. @varun
    u type watever comes to ur mind but when someone comemnts on it, u dont take the topic further but jump to another one.
    wat a genious you are.

    and by the way,wats wrong in TG Venkatesh's comments???
    harish rao said once that whoever says jai telangana is our frends, others are enemies.
    adhi correct ayinappudu TGV anna dantlo enti tappu?

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  6. and remember, even at the height of vandalism, NOT A SINGLE person died in police firing.
    and yet u people talk about opression and supression.meening that watever u do,police shd sit silently???

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  7. POK:

    How can you compare the Gestapo or SS of Hitler with the police of AP?

    Comparison is NOT in killing of Jews, but in “implementation of an oppressive measure by the authority officers justifying it as an act of duty”.

    Nazi officers claimed they were not guilty to the crimes against Jews just because they were following orders given to them by their superior officers who had issued those commands to protect and save the Fatherland and its people from external or internal dangers. This comparison of SS and Andhra Pradesh police and administration is in fact valid because that is what you yourself write in your comment:
    The cops are doing their lawful duty of protecting the citizens of AP.

    Protection of the citizens or protecting the Fatherland and its favored people from perceived external and internal dangers is a common theme used by all oppressive governments against a target group of people. Here the target group is Telanganas. You are only rationalizing and legitimizing that oppression. We are fighting the exact mindset which you are trying to justify here.

    What do you want them to do? Sit quiet if 10 L people converge onto Hyd roads. Sit quiet if stones are being thrown around? Sit quiet if your shops are attacked? If buses are burnt.

    I am discussing the preventive arrests that were made to suppress this Million March. The government of AP has resorted to arresting people without evidence, without an official complaint against the person, before filing a case against the person, based on perceived and imagined threats, using their biases and prejudices to guide them in their arrests. The government of AP has taken preemptive action by arresting individuals from buses and trains on their travel to Hyderabad which is in itself illegal. After the demolition they have randomly arrested some people who had no connection with the event without any recourse to judicial procedure.

    Not very dissimilar to the Nazi regimes or any other colonial regime. We have obligation to combat such oppressive regimes.

    Don't think you can create a fear in them by stating that after T is formed you will hold nuremberg kind of trials.

    In a democratic nation of checks and balance the authorities need to have the fear of overstepping their powers. Their powers should be under check. That’s why we have fundamental rights, courts, audits, commissions and other democratic institutions. If police were to hold their sway with their unbridled power, then we would be oppressed people, not free people. Civil Liberties unions in various countries take it up as their mission to curb and limit the oppressive methods of their governments and powerful organs like police. We need to do the same in Telangana - it has become worse than a dictatorship.

    Sorry to comment like this

    You don’t have to be sorry to me, but you can be sorry to the education you received. Because you are not able to understand what is a comparison and what is an analogy. You are not able to understand the difference between the gist and lessons from an event and the exact details of an event.

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  8. @sujai,
    you say that the police should be prosecuted.
    then should the people who have done the following also be prosecuted:
    *saying bhago jago
    *burning buses
    *demolishing statues
    *vandalising shops
    *throwing stones at offices
    *atacking seemandhra lecturers
    *taking rowdy mamools from businesmen of a particular community

    if polcie are to be prosecuted, same is to be done with the above category of people.
    do u mean to say thst in the name of agitation we can do anything but, in the name od protecting law and order, polie should not arrest us.
    is that your intention?

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  9. We are in India. More people are killed (murdered) in this land because they wish to see the guilty punished than people who are guilty of henious crimes. Sujai, It is indeed an ideal scenario you describe but the process is going to be really really really very difficult. You can't just like that prosecute on perceived crimes. You have to prove it in a court of law and this case might take decades to end by when you would have been dead and guess what? these people might escape scot-free.

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  10. ...It is indeed an ideal scenario you describe but the process is going to be really really really very difficult. You can't just like that prosecute on perceived crimes. You have to prove it in a court of law and this case might take decades to end by when you would have been dead and guess what? these people might escape scot-free.

    Yes, it is going to be a challenge. But such challenges have been overcome in the history of mankind through perseverance, determination and collective will of the victims.

    May be, it is a challenge some of us could take up after formation of Telangana...

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  11. @Sujai Dude I have an Idea , why dont we Design a website for Andhra Statues in Telangana, where the location of each Andhra Statue can be Pointed on the Map, Using Crosshairs(target) symbol, Users should be able to Mark the locations.

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  12. @Anon Your debating skills are pathetic, come up with better points i will debate u

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  13. @varun,
    as if you are "debating" something sensible
    all the time abusing some one or the other

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  14. @ Anon You dont learn Do You?

    Make a point for godsake

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  15. @all friends

    wether the state of ap remains united or divided, politians irrespective of parties and regions still remainon good terms behind the scene no matter how much they battle out in public.
    why should WE who might never have seen each other argue so much???
    if central govt deciedes to divide ap, so be it.
    if not, so be it.
    y shd we loose our cool?

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  16. @varun
    i see.
    so wat "point" did u make by using filthy language all these days?
    u shd have shame to call a person like potti sriramulu who sacrifised his life for a cause, as a pig

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  17. If you think Andhra police acted Humanely, wait .. telangana people will also Humanely Break the skulls of Settlers with Sticks as Police Humanely did it to Telanganaites.

    You guys do this and Telangana will be delayed by another 50 years.

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  18. @varun

    pride, as i understand, if excess results in what is known as 'arrogance"
    one hand you say that u will deflate the "balupu", and on the other hand u say that seemandhraites dont have pride.
    dont u find ur comments contradicting

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  19. @varun
    arrogance, as i understand results from the ecess of what u call as "pride"
    on one hand u say u will deflate the balupu of seemandhraites and on the other hand u say they dont have pride.
    dont u find ur statements contradicting.
    and remember it is the sa called dogs and worthless enemies who contribute to more than 50% of the income that govt gets from hyd in the form of taxes and public spending

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  20. Quote:
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    The cops are doing their lawful duty of protecting the citizens of AP."

    Dont you think in the name of protecting the citizens of AP the very same people breaking fundamental rights of the same AP citizens?

    I gave an example of what happened to my cousin when he took his old man to doctors home and waiting outside. Is that called protecting AP citizens?

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  21. Quote:
    "
    you say that the police should be prosecuted.
    then should the people who have done the following also be prosecuted:
    *saying bhago jago
    *burning buses
    *demolishing statues
    *vandalising shops
    *throwing stones at offices
    *atacking seemandhra lecturers
    *taking rowdy mamools from businesmen of a particular community
    "

    So, whats stopping you from arresting for such cases?

    There are many cases where courts are prosecuting the police for there naxal encounters (fake or real, thats another discussion). Can those police officers just escape from trials saying we got the orders from higher officers to kill them?

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  22. Quote:
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    AP minister TG Venkatesh in response to a journalists question of installing statues of TG persons in Andhra said
    <<<" Samaikhandhra antey KCR vigraham kuda andhralo pedtham"
    "

    It is really balupu, do we have great peoples(hailing from SA) statues all over Telangana because they said Jai United Andhra? definitely not. So why they put TG statues in SA for that reason?

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  23. Quote:
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    I fail to understand how buying land can be called stealing."

    A small example.

    http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-16-3-2011/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel1.htm

    Quote:
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    The credit for this ( acknowledged by the locals) goes to farmers from guntur who migrated here."

    As of my knowledge as per Gentlemen Agreement, buying lands(farming lands?) in TG by SA people should be approved by a board which look after the TG interests.

    Many lands in TG are bought in Tg by SA in many illegal methods, one big method is by abusing Govt power.

    Quote:
    "
    They bought this desert land and cultivated it."
    British did so much good to India in same way, yet we kicked them out.

    Quote:
    "
    Every time I confront a Andhra Face to Face he say's Madhi Kuda Telangananey,"

    Just for fun, when I read above comment I remembered HarshaVardhan(heroins brother) character. :)

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  24. Quote:
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    You guys do this and Telangana will be delayed by another 50 years."

    You cant create fear among us using such statements.

    We are all very well know you dont leave us for another 50000 years if we ask you peacefully.

    Sorry, your trick do not work anymore.

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  25. My theory about Andhras just got proved by this
    blog. First I made logical reasonable arguments no body Cared then I made "Mad dog" statements it generated like 5 responses. Thats the Basic Psychology of Andhras If telanganites carry on this agitation Peacefully even for 1000 years No one will care about them, Violence is the Only Language Colonialists like Andhras Understand.
    The movement is getting Hotter but its still not Hot enough for Andhras, when heads start rolling It will really get their Attention.

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  26. @varun,
    can u show me one reasonable logical statement that u made, without using filthy language.ill bow my head to u in respect

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  27. Quote:
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    they fight against govt but still shamelessly take "scholar"ships from the same govt."

    Dont you SA shamelessly eating our tax money and yet calling us Talibans?

    Quote:
    "
    america lo laaga part time job chesukune chaduvukolera?"
    Why dont you ask the same question to your Andhra Govt and tell them to cut the scholarships.

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    where did ur so called "pride" go before kcr did his fast."
    Where did your useless United AP pride gone when you are voting in last assembly elections when all parties promised Telangana?

    Quote:
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    remember it is the same worthless enemies who give rowday mamools and sustaining ur so called "agitations""
    that means you are poking your own eye with your own finger. So, why are you crying on us?

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  28. Quote:
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    worthless enemies who contribute to more than 50% of the income that govt gets from hyd in the form of taxes and public spending"

    Who said that? Did your beloved SKC said the 50% of income that govt gets from HYD is the form of taxes and public spending?

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  29. Quote:
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    You T-guys take this hate campaign on Andhra settlers any forward, all those Andhra settlers who are watching silently would have to start a counter agitation."


    Yawnnnn.... we are keep hearing this from years, and nothing happened so far in that way.

    Instead, there are few settler groups conducted rallies in support of TG formation.

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  30. @greenstar
    previously there used to be a lot of sensibility and meaning in ur posts.
    me,as a seemandhraite used to admire them.
    raanu raanu aa standard taggipotundi

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  31. Quote:
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    wat i meant was that some agitators indulged in violence.in the process of controlling them, police might have exceeded their limits.but, while taking action on those police, at the same time, even the agitators who exceeded their limits shd be punished."

    Agreed. So when will govt start filing cases on such police?

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  33. Quote:
    "
    @greenstar
    previously there used to be a lot of sensibility and meaning in ur posts.
    me,as a seemandhraite used to admire them.
    raanu raanu aa standard taggipotundi
    "

    Dont blame me, I too feel bad about it many times, after thinking about it many days ....suddenly one day I realized the truth when i was eating Ravva Dosa.

    I will became dirty if I want to get down and pull a Buffalo from mud and clean it up.

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  34. @green star,
    but one thing that differentiates u from the likes of varun and others is that u never use foul language and instigate violence

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  35. POK

    ////The police and army are NOT trained to shoot below the waist. They are trained to shoot to kill. The police, now, is being trained to shoot to injure. But it is very tough to do so. For the army, that kind of training cannot be given to the jawans.////

    ///So if the army is called out to stem violence and they decide to shoot ( they do not understand policing and cannot do that job)they cannot be set to trial !///

    This is a baseless argument....

    The Police and the Paramilitary forces,are violent even in a direct to heart way.Their presence itself is quite intimidating,and the GoI knows that....

    They are imposed mainly as a tactic to scare and disburse crowds,or to get them to behave.....

    The officers,in the Police Department,are over doing their jobs,by being subservient to the higher authorities,instead of understanding the need of the people to be heard.....

    Every one here,seem to be worried about violence and such demons,but fail to understand that it is coming out of an immediate desperation to be heard,by the people of Telangana....

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  36. POK

    ////Not only you ( a Hyderabadi), but many of us ( Telanganites) don't perceive that SAs are the root cause of our problems.////

    Neither do we.....The violent stand that is being portrayed is being used as a tactic by the leaders,to get the Centre to acknowledge the need for a discussion,on the issue...
    They cannot refuse the people of Telangana to make a case for themselves,or the right to ask for redress......

    ///I come from a place close to the Krishna river and for years our Hon MPs did not even think of projects here. So who do I blame? Lagadapati? NTR? KBR? PVNR?///

    No one in particular,and all of them in general...

    The GoAP has been following the principle of primordial loyalties and standing entities.....
    This itself puts,the development of entire region of Telangana,on a back burner.....
    While the world has seen a Suez canal,being dug out,THROUGH Egypt,shallow excuses of higher altitude,have being given.....

    ////PVNR is the only Telugu to have become a CM. What did he do for Telangana or Karimnagar (except putting a large police force to guard his abandoned fort)?////

    We want to question why only a few leaders from the region grow to powerful posts????Rayalaseema enjoys more representatives,could you explain the reason for its backwardness???

    While lack of resources is a criteria for Rayalaseema,I couldn't find one good reason for the underdevelopment in Telangana,which by the way,a lot of us did not realise,before...

    ///I fail to understand how buying land can be called stealing.////

    And,I would like to know,why a farmer who can eke out a decent living would want to sell his land away,unless his resources and returns fail him....

    ////Nalgonda district used to be a desert.farmers from guntur bought this desert land and cultivated it. Today everyone has benefited from them.////

    Why did Nalgonda have to be a desert,with all the new technology,and the latest development in the field of Agriculture????

    The Congress has written off farming debt to the extent of 1 lakh crore.Couldn't they come up with decent development plans for the region?????

    Regional disparity is a national issue.One KCR,Jaipal Reddy,or Harish Rao cannot meet up with all the problems of the entire region...

    ////What is definitely a crime is taking away the poor farmers land and giving it away to Emaar for a golf-course./////


    I can give you names of SA politicians and businessmen, involved in Emaar kind of scams,
    can you show a few examples,where the Telangana leaders have been involved with the Emaar kind of STEALING....

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  37. Quote:
    "
    @green star,
    but one thing that differentiates u from the likes of varun and others is that u never use foul language and instigate violence
    "

    Thanks for your complements. I dont speak for all agitators and I dont like violence. Same time I strongly say that don't see every action done by agitators thru a magnifier.

    As I explained few comments before, the two incidents happened in India last week, one is destroying statues in India and other one is burning national flag and Indian constitution book by some Law students some where in India.

    I personally fell that burning the national flag is biggest issue than the destroying statues.

    So, what happened, SA acted like sky fallen on them when destroyed the statues. And burning the flag didnt even come in our regional news papers.

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  38. You write as if Telangana will be formed. It will not be formed as long as the people of India decide not to and as long as statues are demolished. Hurl more stones,demolish more statues,stone those Seemandhra hawkers on Hyderabad in the meantime. But remember to take precautions in the hot sun,since you can't blame heat strokes on Seemandhras.God bless your stupidity.

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  39. " similar incidents will happen elsewhere in this country"
    Dont worry about India.We don't need your advices.Worry about your folks. The imbecile students hitting each other in TV studios in front of live audience.

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  40. "Yes, it is going to be a challenge. But such challenges have been overcome in the history of mankind through perseverance, determination and collective will of the victims.
    "
    That's exactly how we will save the Andhra Pradesh as it is,

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  41. >>>>>I personally feel that one has the guts of a patriot while the other has the desire to take other people's properties out of envy and jealousy.<<<<<

    You should be whacked,and jailed for glorifying and supporting the act of burning the Indian National Flag....

    >>>>He he.
    The whole of national media has been against this agitation and its violent and inhuman ways.
    Looks like SUjai will also want to prosecute them.

    He he.<<<<

    He he he he
    Looks like you have taken leave of your senses.....

    The Media being managed,owned or influenced by the politicians,is supposed to be a wrong way to influence people's opinion......

    He he he he he

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  42. According to Andhras the destruction of Statues at Tankbund was a Maoist BJP TRS CPM Muslim Tamil Conspiracy.

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  43. స్పష్టమైన ప్రకటన చేయని పార్టీల ఘెరావ్‌: సమైక్యాంధ్ర ఐకాస
    గుంటూరు: మార్చి 31 తరువాత సమైక్యాంధ్రపై స్పష్టమైన ప్రకటన చేయని పార్టీలను ఘెరావ్‌ చేస్తామని సమైక్యాంధ్ర ఐకాస హెచ్చరించింది. ఇక్కడ జరిగిన సమావేశానంతరం విలేకరులతో ఐకాస ప్రతినిధులు మాట్లాడారు. భాజపా, సీపీఐ వైఖరి మార్చుకుని ఉద్యమానికి మద్దతు ఇవ్వకపోతే కార్యాలయాలను ముట్టడిస్తామన్నారు. సమైక్యాంధ్రకు కేంద్రం సానుకూల ప్రకటన చేయకపోతే ప్రభుత్వ ఉద్యోగులు సహాయ నిరాకరణ చేస్తారని పేర్కొన్నారు.

    Eenadu.com, flash news section, 16 Mar 2011.

    Didn't we talked sometime back about SA fanboys copying TG agitators ideas. Here another one(bolded), what ever so far they argued as undemocratic/violent, now they choose to follow the same path.

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  44. Another example about looting the Telangana lands for private companies. First they say it is for Eco Tourism, later after few years it will be converted into businesses.

    Do we really need Eco Tourism in HYD? Why cant we do the same some where else other than HYD? HYD is alreay packed ..

    http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-16-3-2011/story.asp?qry1=12&reccount=26

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  45. I believe they are profusely condemning and apologizing for it.


    BJP MLA Kishen Reddy apologized very next day.

    Surprisingly he is not yet branded as Telangana Drohi.

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  46. @Anon Your debating skills are pathetic, come up with better points i will debate u

    Here is yet another 'gochi' fellow who thinks writing in English is elite.

    మూసీలో నోరు కడుక్కోచినావా? అంట్ల వెధవా?

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  47. Green Star:

    Didn't we talked sometime back about SA fanboys copying TG agitators ideas. Here another one(bolded), what ever so far they argued as undemocratic/violent, now they choose to follow the same path.

    I don't think they are following us. Seemandhras are leaders in violence - take a look at 1953 movement, killings, riots, looting, they were literally kicked out of Madras.

    They set the tone in this country for formation of new states through sheer violence, blackmail and force. What most other states did in this country is just emulate them.

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  48. శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ 8వ అధ్యాయం వెల్లడిపై
    తీర్పు వాయిదా


    ప్రత్యేక రాష్ట్రానికి సంబంధించిన నిర్ణయాన్ని పార్లమెంటు మాత్రమే తీసుకుంటుందని అదనపు సొలిసిటర్‌ జనరల్‌ చెప్పారు.

    సుమారు ఏడాదిపాటు భారీస్థాయిలో ప్రజలను కలిసి, వేల కొద్దీ వినతి పత్రాలను స్వీకరించి వాటి ఆధారంగా రూపొందించిన నివేదికను వెల్లడించకపోవడంలో సముచితమేమిటన్నదే ఇక్కడ ప్రధాన అభ్యంతరమని న్యాయమూర్తి వ్యాఖ్యానించారు. ప్రజల భాగస్వామ్యం, ప్రజల సొమ్ము వెచ్చించి రూపొందించిన నివేదికను ప్రజలకు అందకుండా ఉంచవచ్చా అని అడిగారు.

    శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీకి చట్టబద్ధతలేదని, దాని నివేదిక ప్రభుత్వానికి అధ్యయన సమాచారం (స్టడీ మెటీరియల్‌) లాంటిదని అదనపు సొలిసిటర్‌ జనరల్‌ చెప్పారు.


    Source: Eenadu.com, Mar 17, 2011

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  49. Quote:
    "
    They set the tone in this country for formation of new states through sheer violence, blackmail and force. What most other states did in this country is just emulate them."

    That too we discussed many times before. Looks like they dont know how to agitate peacefully. Thats why they call every action of TG agitators as violent, few days they became cry babies, later they realize(secretly), copy the idea and implemented by United JAC.

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  50. GreenStar:

    But I dont want to pulled into useless discussion which talks about separate HYD state

    Yes, it is unnecessary to be discussing it. There is one person who wants to Hyderabad to with Sri Lanka.

    Just because one person thinks of it, will it become a movement?

    Till today, there has NOT been a single procession or protest by anyone seeking separate Hyderabad.

    And that day on Tank Bund, almost everyone used a side street or narrow passage which only the Hyderabad residents know about, clearly most of them were from Hyderabad.

    And even the crowd that pulled down the statues were from Hyderabad - their peeve was against the government which repeatedly arrested them in the city in the last one year.

    Some Seemandhras posing as Telanganas are trying to portray that the crowd was outside Hyderabad. But then they also thought that KCR = Telangana for a long time. They are realizing few things now, but they still live in denial for most part.

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  51. "There are many pockets in the country where there is complete lawlessness and where parallel government runs. People are not voilent in nature but they are instigated. People do not do it on their own," the apex court observed.

    The apex court made the remarks while hearing an appeal filed by West Bengal government challenging Kolkata high court order for CBI probe in Lalgarh's Netai village massacre case.

    The bench referred to last week's vandalisim unleashed by agitators in the heart of Hyderabad city over the Telangana issue.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_lawlessness-private-armies-ruling-roost-in-the-country-supreme-court_1519942

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  52. Greenstar:

    More hilarious stuff from our detractors:

    One MP from Andhra says that BJP was behind the vandalism and then goes about saying whether these vandals will now destroy temples as well?

    BJP destroying temples?

    One commenter believes he gets the support from Muslims in Hyderabad for separate Hyderabad but then also openly supports and funds BJP.

    Muslims supporting the supporter of BJP?

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  53. Quote:
    "
    More hilarious stuff from our detractors: "

    Sujai,

    Another stupidity of Andhra Gandhi Lagadapati is, when he compared the Telangana agitators as Talibans, why did the demolition of statues by such agitators surprised him?

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  54. Not more ridiculous then you guys who want to put up statues who fought against the muslims and celebrate it.

    Small clarification, Telangana people fought against the Nizam, but not fought against the Muslims.

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  55. We don’t need statues on Tank Bund : Owaisi

    Blasting at the ruling congress party in assembly over deferring the decision on Telangana, Akbaruddin Owaisi said “If we are discussing this (tank bund statues) issue, we should also discuss the unjust caused to Telangana and the suicides in Telangana.”

    “Why are Telangana legislators not in house? If they are out Telangana people are out.” he added. He also said that there is no need to erect the statues again on the Tank Bund and that the Hussain Sagar is beautiful as is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MSN8otrhXw&feature=player_embedded

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  56. Small clarification, Telangana people fought against the Nizam, but not fought against the Muslims.

    I dont know from which world you come from. But all Telangana people feel like they fought Muslims and hate Muslims. Komaram Bheem is their big symbol against Muslims.

    Looks like you dont know history.

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  57. MR sujai,

    muslims supporting the supporter of BJP?

    you wondering muslims supporting the supporter of BJP but muslims supporting BJP it self...there are few muslims leaders in BJP it self like Shahnawaz Hussain, so what makes you to believe its impossible for a muslim to support a supporter of BJP? time makes things change aren't you same people once blamed Nizam now pricing him?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHJpAf1fnU

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  58. I dont know from which world you come from. But all Telangana people feel like they fought Muslims and hate Muslims. Komaram Bheem is their big symbol against Muslims.

    I feel the same for you, you read the either Andhra version or Anti Telangana version of history. If your version if true, there would have been many muslim killings after Nizam was defeated.

    The guy name Karim, used to write comments in this blog expressed the same feeling.

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  59. Quote:
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    We don’t need statues on Tank Bund : Owaisi"


    Does any Seemandra leaders has guts to challenge this guy? I dont think so, all are known cowards.

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  60. MIM will make sure there are no Telangana heroes statues on tankbund who fought against Nizam. They will never support separate T. Now, will T agitators have guts and courage to hit them or attack for these stands.

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  61. Some of us (Telanganas) don't want to go ahead with any statue installation on Tank Bund at this point of time.

    We would want this debate to be taken up after Telangana is formed.

    So, you guys (SA) can go ahead and write to those groups or forums who want installation of statues and not waste our time here.

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  62. Sujai,

    As an Indian, we have the right to put the statues of Indian heroes on tank bund and anywhere in India. This has nothing to do with ur issue. So, STOP saying the poets and kings are 'Andhra people' and deserve to be demolished. All over India, ur actions are being compared with Talibans. Listen to Annamayya songs for some solace in ur heart.

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  63. Aravind:

    Sujai,

    As an Indian, we have the right to put the statues of Indian heroes on tank bund and anywhere in India.


    No you don't.

    People of that region have to agree to you putting those statues.

    Though Karnataka and Tamil Nadu are in the same country, try putting the statue of a CM of Tamil Nadu while there are Cauvery riots in Bangalore.

    (Or try putting the statue of Advani in Old City of Hyderabad.)

    So, STOP saying the poets and kings are 'Andhra people' and deserve to be demolished.

    You got the message wrong. To explain to people who have such wrong notions, I wrote 'Imposed or Embraced'. The ire is not against the Andhra heroes, but against the Andhra regime which installed those statues against our wishes.

    If you don't get it, you don't get it.

    All over India, ur actions are being compared with Talibans.

    All over India people don't know what Talibans are.

    It has been clearly established in 1953 itself by our Andhra brothers that ONLY rioting, killing, looting will fetch you a state.

    Thankfully, we are not doing any of those.

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  64. According to Andhras the destruction of Statues at Tankbund was a Maoist BJP TRS CPM Muslim Tamil Conspiracy.

    They raise many bogeys like that.

    Last year, during Jan-Mar agitations, they said that Naxals have penetrated the agitations and many reports came in the newspapers on how Naxalism is going to rise now.

    Nothing happened for a whole year.

    Now, according to Andhras, suddenly the same Naxals came to Tank Bund to destroy the statues.

    Wait! Wait! The statues were destroyed by BJP, that's what we said in the Parliament.

    And yes! These Hindutva vandals will destroy Hindu temples in India.

    Shucks! That can't be right.

    Wait! Wait! I think this is handiwork of ISI.

    Holy Shit! I may be upsetting Owaisi.

    No, no! Hold on! I think it is CIA.

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  65. That's exactly how we will save the Andhra Pradesh as it is,

    You save Andhra Pradesh. We will save Telangana. Also, you may want to get an agreement from Rayalaseema to call your state Andhra Pradesh. After all this I am not sure if Rayalaseema would like to be with you guys in the same state.

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  66. You write as if Telangana will be formed. It will not be formed as long as the people of India decide not to and as long as statues are demolished.

    Contrary to your belief system, In India one can form states only if there is a large scale violence as clearly demonstrated by our Andhra brothers back in 1953. They resorted to blackmail, killings, rioting, arson, loot, and that’s when India paid attention to give them statehood.

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  67. POK, sera, Anonymous, et al:

    I can’t believe this. You have been coming to this blog for many days now. I have allowed all kinds of nasty comments written about me or about my articles. Many of your nasty comments about me continue to be published on this blog.

    And yet, you do not have the patience to wait for few minutes for your comments to appear (I told you already that sometimes they go directly into the SPAM folder and will not be posted unless I accept them). Showing no patience you go ahead and launch into a tirade against me assuming that I deleted your comment.

    You got so agitated just because you felt your comment did not appear on my blog, imagine what the young students of Telangana feel when they are picked up by police hundreds of times for crimes they did not commit, purely based on assumptions and prejudices, for being tortured?

    To give you a miniscule taste of what young Telanganas are feeling when they are stripped of basic human rights, I am going to do something drastic. I should have done this long ago. My tolerance of your nasty comments about me was being taken as a weakness. You don’t value niceties. You don’t value culture. You don’t value freedom.

    When a person treats you nice, you take it for granted, get into his home and piss in there. Such people do not deserve to be treated nice.

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  68. [MIM will make sure there are no Telangana heroes statues on tankbund who fought against Nizam. They will never support separate T. Now, will T agitators have guts and courage to hit them or attack for these stands. ]

    I think otherways, can MIM dare to declare there Anti-T stand if they really are?

    We already conducted many T activities in core old city (like human chains).

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  69. [As an Indian, we have the right to put the statues of Indian heroes on tank bund and anywhere in India. ]

    Agreed, I am with you. The only problem here is we are not okey with your definition of 'Indian heroes;.

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  70. [You got so agitated just because you felt your comment did not appear on my blog, imagine what the young students of Telangana feel when they are picked up by police hundreds of times for crimes they did not commit, purely based on assumptions and prejudices, for being tortured? ]

    Another nail hit on there head, yet they are shameless and continue....

    [When a person treats you nice, you take it for granted, get into his home and piss in there. Such people do not deserve to be treated nice. ]

    That is what SA do, they came to Telangana on the name of Capital, and looted all available resources.

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  71. @Sujai@Greenstar


    TRS is finally mentioned in wikileaks Indian cables.

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  72. @Sujai @Greenstar

    TRS is finally mentioned in wikileaks indian cables


    http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india-cables/article1544916.ece

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  73. This Scene Could have been taken Straight from the Movie "leader".
    The level of Corruption is staggering.
    from wikiileaks indian cables:


    <<<<
    Sharma's political aide Nachiketa Kapur mentioned to an Embassy staff member in an aside on July 16 that Ajit Singh's RLD had been paid Rupees 10 crore (about $2.5 million) for each of their four MPs to support the government. Kapur mentioned that money was not an issue at all, but the crucial thing was to ensure that those who took the money would vote for the government. Kapur showed the Embassy employee two chests containing cash and said that around Rupees 50-60 crore (about $25 million) was lying around the house for use as pay-offs.



    and there is also a mention of TRS voting against TRS, so the rumors of KCR being Bought out with Congress money is a joke.

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  74. Fate of an Honest Intellectual

    http://www.chomsky.info/books/power01.htm

    Also worthy of punishment are those members of SKC, who might have wasted 20 crores of hard-earned public money in an exercise of sham.

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  75. Sorry Sujai, I posted a comment twice. I thought the first attempt did not succeed owing to my fault. Did not notice you now have set approval of comments. It's good that you have done this.

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  76. @varun and suhai
    you are comparing the statue demolition with that of iraq and russia.

    so u compare kandukuri veeresa lingam, sri sri and annamacharya with saddam hussain and stalin???

    pity ur inteligence level.i wonder how u guys can be so much irrational

    ok guys, as a resident of SA i am saying samaikyandhra movement is not that strong as it was in december 2009.most people are mentally prepared for the division.now ball is in your court.if u want to do something nasty as u did last week and furthere rake up emotions thereby delaying ur goal.

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  77. <<
    Correction:
    and there is also a mention of TRS voting against UPA, so the rumors of KCR being Bought out with Congress money is a joke.

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  78. @Vivek

    Envy Your Stupidity
    <<varun and suhai
    you are comparing the statue demolition with that of iraq and russia.
    so u compare kandukuri veeresa lingam, sri sri and annamacharya with saddam hussain and stalin???



    We did compare the Demolition of Andhra statues to that of Demolition of Saddams and Stalins.

    But we did not Compare Saddam Hussein with Annamacharya, I still agree that they are Great People, But their Statues are being Used for a Purpose by Andhras that iam Sure Annamya would not have approved if he was Alive.


    If you think Violence by Telanganites is Strenghtening Samykhandhra movement CHEEROS!

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  79. @sujai
    Though Karnataka and Tamil Nadu are in the same country, try putting the statue of a CM of Tamil Nadu while there are Cauvery riots in Bangalore.

    the statues in tank bund were put up in 1986 when there were absolutely no riots.tg moment might be a people's one, no doubt, and it might represent the aspirations of people for seperate state.but is it fair to demolish the statues just because, the person who instaleld them (ntr) was born in a place wich is not in telangana?

    and moreover, the statues were put up Not because the people belonged to a certain region but because they did something significant.they were "achievers" in one or the other sense.
    like, we install gandhi and ambedkar's statues because of what they did but not based on the place of birth.if 2moro, thers some river sharing issue like babli with maharshtra, or some other issue with gujarath, do we go about demolshing these peoples statues?
    Indians were attacked and killed in usa in few incidents.so shd we attack MNC companies???

    and 1 personal q-do u have seemandhra friends even now?

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  80. One very positive outcome of Telangana movement is that the people are more aware/educated. In the new Telangana and Andhra states, it is less likely that people are taken for a free ride. Politicians are being told they are answerable to the people. Very positive change indeed. But it has taken 60 long years for this change to come in the Indian democratic psyche. India has been a democracy for so long but its sad that it has only been a paper democracy. The real intent of this great idea has not been adhered to. In that sense, India has been a failed democracy. But change is coming in. Good positive signs.

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  81. My opinion

    - Telugu pride comes only after well-being of all people of A.P (INCLUDING TELANGANA). What's the use of Telugu pride when almost whole of Telangana is unhappy? Telugu pride is irrelevant now. First make Telangana people happy (by giving them their own state) and only then let's talk about Telugu pride.

    - Statue demolition did not hurt Telugu pride as much as Satyam's Rama Linga Raju episode, as much as the _the very existence of telangana agitation itself_. If Telugu pride were to be real and great, there would not be a people's agitation for a separate state by the very same Telugu speaking people.

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  82. Quote:
    "
    But we did not Compare Saddam Hussein with Annamacharya, I still agree that they are Great People, But their Statues are being Used for a Purpose by Andhras that iam Sure Annamya would not have approved if he was Alive."

    Well said.


    Quote:
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    If you think Violence by Telanganites is Strenghtening Samykhandhra movement CHEEROS!"

    Excellent...

    Such kind of blackmails don't work any more.... you SA will be further humiliated if you hang on to Telugu unity. World will start laughing at Telugu unity if you keep supporting United Andhra for sake of Unity.

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  83. Quote:
    "
    the statues in tank bund were put up in 1986 when there were absolutely no riots.tg moment might be a people's one, no doubt, and it might represent the aspirations of people for seperate state.but is it fair to demolish the statues just because, the person who instaleld them (ntr) was born in a place wich is not in telangana?"

    Another ignorant. The statues was installed under police protection. These statues was demolished not because the heros belongs to SA and not because those were installed by a SA CM, but those were demolished because when NTR installed, he tried to change the history by showing the world that the SA heros are the Telugu heros and neglected TG heros in the Telugu heros list.

    Quote:
    "
    and moreover, the statues were put up Not because the people belonged to a certain region but because they did something significant.they were "achievers" in one or the other sense."

    Where are other few Telugu 'achievers' belongs to TG region?

    Quote:
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    Indians were attacked and killed in usa in few incidents.so shd we attack MNC companies???"

    Nope, but take another example, how do you react if Pakistani groups keep killing Indians in Pakistan or all over the world. There will be lots of difference in your reactions when other party changed from USA/Australia to Pakistan. Thats why you need to see the context.

    IF our former CM goes to Maharastra on normal occasion, he will be welcomed by there govt/people. But if he goes there for Babli, he will be kicked.

    Dont judge by the scene, judge by the context.

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  84. Quote:
    "
    - Telugu pride comes only after well-being of all people of A.P (INCLUDING TELANGANA). What's the use of Telugu pride when almost whole of Telangana is unhappy? Telugu pride is irrelevant now. First make Telangana people happy (by giving them their own state) and only then let's talk about Telugu pride."

    Well said my friend.

    If SA keep imposing Telugu Pride, Telugu Unity... etc crap on TG people, it is not far the TG people may start hating Telugu itself.

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  85. Check it out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoLGuYh6zmE

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  86. @GreenStar,
    If SA keep imposing Telugu Pride, Telugu Unity... etc crap on TG people, it is not far the TG people may start hating Telugu itself.

    SA guys don't own Telugu. There are enough champions of Telugu in Telagana as well. So, you need not hate telugu after all. Once you have realized/seen through the design of SA politicians - of cleverly using the canopy of same language to dominate backward regions - it's only a matter of time before you can defeat it.

    In my opinion, language is a very logical basis on which new states can be formed - for purely adminstrative convenience. But in addition to that, there must be other criteria to form states. India has to move on. To say one-language-one-state is ridiculous.

    In other words,

    same state can loosely imply same language (mostly one or two, in the case of Telangana it might be Urdu + Telugu)
    BUT
    Same language should not necessarily imply same state.

    We already have many examples of multiple states with same official language.

    All in all, I want telangana culture, telangana accent to be free of any domination and I want to see the strife of Telagana people end as soon as possible. I want Telangana state not to repeat the mistakes of AP govt. and be inclusive in its policies/development.

    And one suggestion - if you don't mind, please don't hate your telugu brothers. Hatred is not good for this country. Fight them hard and defeat them and once you become their equals, embrace them. There are good people/bad people both sides.

    Once you hit them hard for their mistakes, they would not dare do the same mistakes again in the new state of Andhra. You are in disguise doing a great favor to your SA brothers as well. :)

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  87. ప్రత్యేక తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రం ఏర్పడాల్సిన ఆవశ్యకత ఎంతో ఉంది. తెలంగాణ ఏర్పాటును ప్రజలంతా కోరుకుంటుంటే నాయకులు మాత్రం అడ్డుపడుతున్నారు. ముఖ్యమంత్రి సీట్లో కూర్చున్న వ్యక్తి తన పరిధి తగ్గిపోతుందని ఆందోళన చెందుతున్నారు. సీఎం, పీఎంఅనుకుంటే తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రం క్షణంలో ఏర్పాటవుతుంది' అని రామ్‌దేవ్‌ బాబా అన్నారు.

    Eenadu.com Mar 17, 2011

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  88. "Contrary to your belief system, In India one can form states only if there is a large scale violence as clearly demonstrated by our Andhra brothers back in 1953. "
    Wrong Gorkhaland has been agitating since 1984,they even cutoff the Northeast and kills hundreds of people,did the state form? Is it going to be formed?

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  89. An aide of Satish Sharma was Exposed by wikileaks Bribing other MP's to Vote for Congress during the No confidence motion.

    The aides name is Nachiketa Kapur and He is Denying of Having any relationship with Satish Sharma.

    But here is some Info from a Blog of Vinod Sharma(but all the Posts are about Nachiketa Kapur) may be he is somehow related to Satish Sharma.
    http://vinodsharma883.blogspot.com/
    <<<
    The three-day-long festivities for the wedding of Samir Sharma and Taruna concluded with a grand reception. The function was attended by Delhi's who's who.
    The show stealer of the evening was Rahul Gandhi. Looking smart in white kurta-pyjama, he warmly exchanged pleasantries with the groom's family. Priyanka also came with husband Robert Vadra.
    Bollywood ishtyle: Interestingly, the theme of the evening was total filmi. Movie posters donned the entrance. A big panel screen was set up on which clips from popular Hindi films like Devdas, Bobby and many others were being shown. The party started with an entertaining sequence that included dancers who grooved to the beats of popular Bollywood numbers and enthralled the audience with their latkas and jhatkas.
    Gorgeous guests, smart attires: While the bride Taruna looked gorgeous in a traditional attire, the groom looked smart in a designer sherwani. While Sharika donned an evening gown, her husband Rahul Bhat looked smart in a black formal suit. Priya Chatwal wore a little black dress and sported a black jacket to beat the chill. Sister Charu Sachdev was also sporting a black ensemble. Their brother Harry, probably seen for the first time at a do in Delhi, also looked smart.
    Political presence: Giving Rahul company were many politicians like Kamal Nath, Farooq Abdullah, Jiten Prasad and many others.
    Spotted: Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka and Robert Vadra, Nachiketa Kapur, Renu and Sunil Tandon, Sunaina and Rajeev Chibba, Dilip and Devi Cherian, Rohit Rajpal, Rahul and Isha Rajpal, Ramola Bachchan, Sanjay and Shalini Passi, Chetan Seth, Kamal Nath,


    "SATISH SHARMA",

    Sonali and Peter Punj, Rahul Bhat, Ritu Beri and Bobby, Sunil and Nyna Mittal, Rajan Mittal, Farooq Abdullah, Salman Khurshid, Jiten Prasad, Priya Jain, Harvir Kahtri, Jiten Khatri, Sonali and Peter Punj, Ritu and Rajan Nanda, Natasha Nanda, Priya Chatwal, Harry, Charu Sachdev, Sharika, Bhim Bachchan, Namrita Bachchan.

    << Read all the posts in the Blog you will get an Idea how close these Nachiketa Kapur and Vinod Sherma really are. This may be Important EVIDENCE to establish relationship between Satish sherma and Nachiket.
    UPA has to pay for its Sins especially for what it did to Telangana people.

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  90. @Tintin

    Nazis did the Same , they started the Indoctranization at a very early age. Thats what Andhras are doing now Hammering Andhra Superiority theories in to the brains of young kids.

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  91. Half Posts in that blog are about Nachiketa Kapur and Half the posts are about the marriage of Satish Sharmas son "samir" sherma.

    Cant understand How Dumb our Indian Media really Is they can Dig up this blog and establish a clear relationship between them.

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  92. " World will start laughing at Telugu unity if you keep supporting United Andhra for sake of Unity.

    March 17, 2011 5:23 PM"
    The world is already laughing at you and your antics.Breaking statues,slapping legislators,hitting judges,burning movie sets,burning buses,eating on the Ecoli and feces filled railway tracks,what more you want to add?

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  93. Andhras were saying " Madras manadhira" now "Hyderabad manadira".

    When will they say "Vizag" or "vijayawada" manadhira

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  94. We certainly dont want the Notorius Andhra "record dances" to which Many Andhras go with their families.

    Now thats Obscene.

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  95. Great Sujai.

    You finally made your blog a family affair.
    Saved us hell lot of time.

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  96. ప్రత్యేక తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రం ఏర్పడాల్సిన ఆవశ్యకత ఎంతో ఉంది. తెలంగాణ ఏర్పాటును ప్రజలంతా కోరుకుంటుంటే నాయకులు మాత్రం అడ్డుపడుతున్నారు. ముఖ్యమంత్రి సీట్లో కూర్చున్న వ్యక్తి తన పరిధి తగ్గిపోతుందని ఆందోళన చెందుతున్నారు. సీఎం, పీఎంఅనుకుంటే తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రం క్షణంలో ఏర్పాటవుతుంది' అని రామ్‌దేవ్‌ బాబా అన్నారు.
    Ramdev wants your business,he'll say anything.Look for yourself in the name of you he is politicking.

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  97. @ Varun :

    Nazis at least knew that they were irrationally driven by hatred for Jews.Here Andhra ppl keep scolding the Telangana ppl instead of asking the govt to address the concerns of the ppl of this region, they are calling T ppl names on one side and on the other side they say they wanted united because of Telugu pride.

    I am afraid i have to agree that Nazis were better fools because they at least were clear with their hatred unlike the ppl from Andhra who are not clear at all.

    If it was for telugu pride i was wondering why not even single person including JP criticized AP govt from 1956 that was responsible for the situation in AP today.
    This time all these medhavi sangam guys from Andhra should have tried asking for a last chance by convincing T ppl that they will form a committee which will make sure the developmental activities in T are carried out.Had they done this using the phrase "Telugu pride,it would have made sense.Unfortunately no one made an attempt towards this.Sheer stupid way of displaying love for T ppl isn't it ?

    Or Perhaps i didnot understand the game rules played by Andhra ppl.When it comes to comments on agitation we should hate T ppl calling them names but when the topic is "whether to bifurcate or not" we love T ppl because they speak the same language.Is my understanding of the game correct ?

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  98. @Tintin,

    In actuality, they know separation is inevitable. If they solve the problems of T in an integrated state, they would lose clout. They are only trying to bargain the best deal out of this mess in terms of money/liabilities etc. They want to show off that they don't want to separate but that the separation is being forced on them and they would be ready to walk the extra (imaginary) mile and you (T + center) walk the extra mile with your money. And they are buying time to strategize the whole things so their interests are protected the best. It's a clever tight rope walk they are doing.

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  99. Andhra/Seema society is itself NOT united by "Telugu pride" at all. There are deep divisions in the society across all parameters. No unity. BUT, the people holding the reigns/ the capitalists have to wield some dogmatic brainwash to show a common trait across. Telugu has been cleverly used for that purpose.

    Until KCR jolted the Andhra corridors of power, Telangana was a very distant REALITY for them (power circles of SA). Now, powers-that-be here in T is no more fit to be ignored.

    In the challenge of powers from Telangana, SA, movement of Telangana has irreversibly gone to the masses/underpriveleged here in T. They know they can't stop T now. They can only delay it. They used language weapon again for their delay tactics. Samaikhya Andhra movement was produced. People have been forced to divide across regions by politicians here and there, for their own selfish gains.

    You should not be surprised, deep down, if the conspiracy or the fillip to this movement were to be provided by someone from Andhra. Politics is really murky. Central govt. is all party to this drama because it has gained monitarily from the well-being of Andhras all along.

    Ultimately, I am afraid, common man anywhere (T or SA) is going to have to wage a tough battle. With Telangana having formed, that battle is going to be only very nominally easier.

    All across India, people have now formed a horizotal brother-hood of power and wealth. After Telangana is formed, Telangana elite and Andhra elite will share the ruins as equals rather than any other way around.

    Beyond the euphoria of new state, unfortunately, lies the same struggle that poor people have been facing in A.P all over.

    As Sujai says, pl. don't expect situations to change drastically after T is formed.

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  100. @tintin,
    its not the rules of the game but the repurcersions that the "agitation" u speak of might cause if violent passions are further continued.
    and regarding devellopment, most of the seemandhraites who oppose bifurcation(note me, thopugh im from the same region) are asking for implimentation of option 6 wich gives a commitee wich u mentioned and not option 1 of skc wich talks about status q
    awe dont call t people names.we call names to those who indulge in vandalism.
    seemandhraites oppose bifurcation as they have certain concerns like water sharing, safety of settlers, etc.
    just as you want andhra medhavis to convince t people, we also want t medhavis to convinve seemandhra preople regarding the above mentioned concerns

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  101. Quote:
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    The world is already laughing at you and your antics.Breaking statues,"

    Why would some one will laugh at Statue breaking incident? They should be either angry or happy, but I doubt some one laughs.

    Can you show me any proof where world is laughing at T actions?

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  102. Quote:
    "
    Ramdev wants your business,he'll say anything.Look for yourself in the name of you he is politicking."

    Who else is not? Lagadapati? Kavuri?

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  103. Quote:
    "
    Ramdev wants your business,he'll say anything.Look for yourself in the name of you he is politicking."

    If the says "Jai United Andhra' he get bigger business than when he say 'Jai Telangana'. This kind of your argument shows your arrogance.

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  104. Gauravaneeyulu Sujai garu,

    Namaste.

    I had been a silent admirer of your blog posts and fell in love with your analytical posts , I had also introduced your blog to several of my friends.

    However , of late i sense a desperation in your line of thought , as you have started taking extremist positions . In your initial blogs you were always dispassionate and clinical in approach . Alas ,such is not the case now , especially your post no 82 , is so very disheartening .

    On reconsidering / rethinking I request you to withdraw this post . However much you try to establish a separate identity for Telangana people , it is only a sub identity under the Telugu ( Andhra ) jati / Bharateeyata .

    You have established a beautiful case of cultural domination by coastal Andhra people and their usurping the rightful share of Telangana districts . Nothing else in your arguments are correct . Finding a comparison with Nazi Germany is utter/unacceptable distortion .

    Please do not abandon your solid plank of well founded reasoning . There is life /thought beyond Telangana movement , concentrate on development issues . India administratively speaking will sooner or later have 50+ units , whether you call them states /councils etc is a moot factor.

    Hold on brother , it is difficult to develop the art of sensible thought and speak , having achieved a reasonable level of acceptance , please do not go astray.

    Sreyobhilashi .

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  105. Quote:
    "
    Had they done this using the phrase "Telugu pride,it would have made sense.Unfortunately no one made an attempt towards this.Sheer stupid way of displaying love for T ppl isn't it ?"

    Well said. They dont do this because they too dont give a crap about 'Telugu Pride' , all they want is HYD.

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  106. Quote:
    "
    most of the seemandhraites who oppose bifurcation(note me, thopugh im from the same region) are asking for implimentation of option 6 wich gives a commitee wich u mentioned and not option 1 of skc wich talks about status q"

    If you are correct, why did seemandraites waited to tell this till SKC made there decisions? Seemandraites should have made such offer long before SKC delivers there report. It is not that seemandrats@ wish to go for Option6, but they took that option because it is the best available option and they know how to break the option6 once it is implemented (all you need to do is just turn the history pages back to 1956 to know the ways to break it in no time).

    Quote:
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    awe dont call t people names.we call names to those who indulge in vandalism."

    When seemandra@ believe that the TG people and movement is running under Kodandaram and KCR, how it is different when you calling Kodandaram with names and you say we love TG people? Neumorus times we mentioned that we have problem with only few seemandra@ who looted Telangana, rest of the SA people can live in TG safely and do there jobs and businesses, why dont you buy that?

    Quote:
    "
    seemandhraites oppose bifurcation as they have certain concerns like water sharing, safety of settlers, etc."
    When some one has some concerns, they will talk to clear it out. That is not what happenning from seemandraites side.

    Quote:
    "
    just as you want andhra medhavis to convince t people, we also want t medhavis to convinve seemandhra preople regarding the above mentioned concerns"

    When some one do not want to stay with you, that means they dont like you, so they dont talk to you. But you want to stay with us, so you love us, so you should talk to us to make us to stay with you.

    When a wife do not want to stay with husband, wife will not convince husband to separate. This is how the current world is running. If husband loves the wife and dont want to loose her, it is his duty to talk to his wife, convince her, reason with her, know her problems, assure her that she will not face such problems again ...... that should be the way to ask/request some one to stay with you. But what you are doing now? you locked the door, and challenging her saying 'now I see how you get out of my house'.

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  107. @Surya,

    >>>>>>seemandhraites oppose bifurcation as they have certain concerns like water sharing, safety of settlers, etc.<<<<<

    Good.There haven't been many people,who have come forward to discuss these concerns.....

    So far we have only seen name calling,blame games and diversionary tactics being used by SA's towards solving the issue....

    Though it would be in every one's welfare,the politicians refuse ti accept or understand the call ,to take charge of the necessary modalities,which is just is NOT happening...

    Infact,the irony of the situation is that,the people of Andhra have accepted the de-merger as a solution,but their representatives,haven't....


    The reason being the politicians are working against the interests of the people of both(Telangana and Andhra)the regions,for their own benefit....

    >>>>just as you want andhra medhavis to convince t people, we also want t medhavis to convinve seemandhra preople regarding the above mentioned concerns<<<<

    I really like this idea.And even heard that several successful and intellectuals from Andhra,welcoming the formation of Telangana.

    It is the power brokers and politicians,who have their investments in and around Hyderabad,and the power to overrule a Central Government decision,that refuse to do it....

    People of Telangana demand a de-merger,people of Andhra have agreed to it,and the people of Hyderabad have opened up to the idea of a new state.

    If you can,in any way influence several or any other groups to come forward with discussions,we would be more than happy to arrange or participate in such meetings...

    Looking forward to more interactions from you....

    Thanks.

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  108. Quote:
    "
    phanendra said...

    Gauravaneeyulu Sujai garu,

    Namaste.

    I had been a silent admirer of your blog posts and fell in love with your analytical posts , I had also introduced your blog to several of my friends.
    "

    phanendra aka who?

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  109. Quote:
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    There is life /thought beyond Telangana movement , concentrate on development issues ."

    Well I would like to give you same kind of free advise. There is life/thought beyond Telugu Unity, Telugu culture, United Andhra. Concentrate on development issues rather than Telangana issue.

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  110. One other concern India might have is SA government MAY not be as economically stable/viable as T. True that SA capitalists are really wealthy but that money can't be used to govern its people. Added to that, almost entire coast-line of A.P is privatized, they don't have a heavy-revenue generating cosmopolitan city to help it out in a big way, its natural gas reserves are not owned by govt. Added to this other issues of whether Rayalaseema would be okay to join it, If yes capital city etc. etc. These concerns have to be addressed as well along with waters and settler protection. What would happen if it's struck with a big cyclone as had happened before? Does the GOI have the money to help the state establish its capital? Lots of questions to be discussed. Sadly a year and a half has passed and still center is dillying and dallying instead of really engaging the two parties actively and finding solutions....

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  111. Hyderabadi "Chicken" Biryani Should be banned it is a Symbol of the Muslim Cultural Pollution of Telangana, For Pure "Telugu pride" everyone should eat our only Andhra Avakaya Biryani.

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  112. Lower Tankund is already developing Cracks due to structural fatigue, Telangana people did some Good by Removing some Tons of Stupid Andhra statues.

    Andhras are trying to Turn tankbund in to some Stupid Stage for Cultural Competetion, They will go On installing Statues till it Collapses.

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  113. Sujai said...

    "The government of AP has taken preemptive action by arresting individuals from buses and trains on their travel to Hyderabad which is in itself illegal"

    Sujai, you are mistakenly asssuming that the Telangana people have any rights. Remember this is "andhera pradesh". Only "andha" guys have rights :)

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  114. Anonymous said...

    "I dont know from which world you come from. But all Telangana people feel like they fought Muslims and hate Muslims"

    Bandagi was the first to die in the armed struggle. Shoaibulla Khan wrote against the Asafjahi regime. Maqdoom inspired the Telangana people with his fiery poetry.

    Which world are *you* from?

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  115. Aravind said...

    "As an Indian, we have the right to put the statues of Indian heroes on tank bund and anywhere in India"

    How many Telangana or even national leader statues are there on RK beach in Vizag?

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  116. Quote:
    "
    Sadly a year and a half has passed and still center is dillying and dallying instead of really engaging the two parties actively and finding solutions...."

    Central did there part best till SA choose to take U turn on there decision.

    Now, when nothing to loose for them when waiting they keep watching the show of SA vs TG fight.

    It is SA's fault to put the situation in deadlock. If the TG formation is delayed by couple more years, for say five years, then the SA new capital development will be delayed by 5 years, that means loosing lots of opportunities.

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  117. Andhra Pride,

    I leave Andhra Avakaya Biryani.. But please do not ask us to eat the Andhra Biryani tasted by our great leader.

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  118. Lower Tankund is already developing Cracks due to structural fatigue, Telangana people did some Good by Removing some Tons of Stupid Andhra statues.

    Andhras are trying to Turn tankbund in to some Stupid Stage for Cultural Competetion, They will go On installing Statues till it Collapses.

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  119. Quote:
    "
    Check it out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoLGuYh6zmE
    "


    This proves who spread the hatred in there people towards other regions. They are not even leaving small kids from there hatred campaign. Filling the venom in those small kids minds.

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  120. [Bandagi was the first to die in the armed struggle. Shoaibulla Khan wrote against the Asafjahi regime. Maqdoom inspired the Telangana people with his fiery poetry.

    Which world are *you* from?
    ]

    Excellent point Jai. This should shut there mouths.

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  121. "This proves who spread the hatred in there people towards other regions. They are not even leaving small kids from there hatred campaign. Filling the venom in those small kids minds."
    Much better than the vulgur,denigrating songs sung by Vimalakka and by Balakishen. It is a good beginning,catch them young ,they are doing what the Telangana kids have did already.

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  122. The TRS cannot get its own MLAs to vote, how is it going to fight for Telangana. Your own MLAs are black sheep they are making fools out of you.

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  123. Lavanya,

    There is no doubt that T will be formed. It may be a matter of 6 months to a year. That is a fait accompli. The question is in what form and with what compromises.

    The T that will be formed will not be the dream T of Sujai. It will be nothing different from today. Well known T politicians will continue to join hands with Seema dacoits as they are doing now. You will be shocked if I tell you names of some of our T politicos who have joined hands with the Kurnool land grabbers where T middle class people are victims and the T leaders did nothing when these people approached them.

    The only way out will be a settlement with the SA people. What form and content that entails is unknown today. It could be Hyd as joint capital for 5-10 years or central funding to form a capital or something else.
    But any violence will only tend to push it back further. Unlike what sujai feels, there has been no police repression. it has been minimal use of force, much less than what we have seen in other states. pre-emptive arrests are common and nothing to talk about. it is not repression. it is protection of the larger society.

    POK

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  124. Finally, some good discussion happening here.Please keep the conversations going: Anonymous (POK), Lavanya, Surya, and Sreyobhilashi :)

    Let us also not forget that even if all the genuine socio-economic concerns of all regions - Telangana, Seema, Uttarandhra, and divi seema- area addressed through discussions, the dependency on the political and bureaucratic class to define and administer a proper politico-administrative settlement between the regions.

    The politicians will demand their pounds of flesh.

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  125. @Andhra Anon

    <<<Much better than the vulgur,denigrating songs sung by Vimalakka and by Balakishen.

    Yaa Right, revolutionary Songs by telangana people are Vulgar and denigrating , While Item songs by scantily Clad Junior film artists at Andhra Record Dances are Morally Uplifting , Guess thats why hundreds of Andhra Politicians attend a Meeting yesterday in Vizag with Much Sleaze and Skin.

    Thats how a Andhra Mind works, He will take his family to "record dances" where scantily clad girls dance to Obscene songs and the Andhra will complain about Vulgarity in Telangana songs by Gaddar, for example One of his Song had a line Andhra politicans "Muthulu Nakuntunnaru" perhaps a reference to Nannapeni and Lagadapti , Was Denounced as Vulgar By Andhras while they enjoy seeing some Skin with their families and Proudly make their kids sing Songs that are Full of "Double entendres" and Sexual references.

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  126. Andhras themselves Claim that the Tirupathi "venkatesha" is their Own Regional Andhra God and then Complain of backward attitudes like "Regionalism" among TG people.


    Hypocrisy at its Best.

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  127. @Andhra anon

    <<<The TRS cannot get its own MLAs to vote, how is it going to fight for Telangana. Your own MLAs are black sheep they are making fools out of you.



    Please Save Us ,all our Telangana People are Sheep and we blindly follow TRS "wolves". Please we Need some Andhra "Messiah" to lead Us through the Valley of Darkness(aka blind Regionalism).


    One Andhra Messiah "NTR" saved TG people from Eternal Damnation and we need are waiting for a Second Coming of the Andhra Messiah. According to the sacred texts he will come flying on a white Horse and Kill all Our TRS "black sheep".

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  128. I think there should be sujai's statue on tank bund for motivating people with his blog.

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  129. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Separate-state-agitators-have-T-cops-sympathy-/articleshow/7740878.cms


    HYDERABAD: Senior police officials are apprehensive that another act of violence and vandalism as happened on Tank Bund on March 10 could be repeated in any other part of the city or the region. This is in view of the fact that 80 per cent of the rank and file in the police force up to the rank of inspectors in the 10 districts of Telangana belong to the region and would not be eager to crack down on 'their own' people. The police top brass is slowly veering around to the view that the struggle for a separate state is no more restricted to some sections of the society as was the case in 1969. "It has become a mass political movement, therefore, requires tough political decisions in the state and in New Delhi. The movement has now gained mass appeal and its manifestations are visible even in remote villages and towns.

    Trying to contain a movement of this nature with police force filled with people from the region alone would be dangerously counter-productive," an officer of the IG rank said. Many in the force feel that any serious police action during any agitation, when ordered by senior officers, may not be heeded to by the personnel who actually have to execute it. And even if such police action takes place, the majority of the officers whether from Telangana or elsewhere believe that it would lead to deterioration of the situation and help strengthen the movement.

    Referring to the spread of the movement now as compared to 1969, police sources said it is not only the state government employees from the region, but the T cops who have come under the influence of the separate state struggle. Giving an example, they said in the non-cooperation agitation which was launched by the Telangana political JAC in February in government offices across Telangana, there have been reports of policemen staging dharnas and demonstrations besides resorting to pen-down acts. The police top brass played down the demonstrations and non-cooperation by the force. In fact, several senior officers allowed their junior staff to continue with their agitation but within limits. Some officers dismissed the agitation as the act of few ministerial staff.

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  130. [Much better than the vulgur,denigrating songs sung by Vimalakka and by Balakishen. It is a good beginning,catch them young ,they are doing what the Telangana kids have did already. ]

    Just for argument sake you saying our kids have did already? Where? Can you prove it?

    So spreading venom with regular telugu words is acceptable to you? I though spreading venom in any form is bad...

    See guys, this is how the rules of humanity changes by how SA fanboys want to see it. And we discussed it many times before.

    Shame on you SA for using Kids for your venom.

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  131. @tintin and green star,
    is that skit more offensive than the seemandhrulu rakshasulu, peda biryani, etc given by the great kalvakuntla chandrashekhara rao gaaru

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  132. @varun
    Andhras themselves Claim that the Tirupathi "venkatesha" is their Own Regional Andhra God and then Complain of backward attitudes like "Regionalism" among TG people

    ala eppudu evaru annaro kaastha cheppagalara

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  133. POK,

    ///There is no doubt that T will be formed.The question is in what form and with what compromises.///

    If the businessmen,Professors, Govt employees,LabourUnions and other representatives,from SA,come forward with serious forums for discussion,a lot of confusion that is being created would settle down..I would call it created confusion..But,they aren't coming forward to do the same,not to my knowledge...
    The SA's cannot refuse to acknowledge the problem,in the present scenario.They HAVE to come forward and initiate or participate in dialogues with the leaders or JAC's..A neutral stand infact is going to deteriorate chances of any future actions....

    So far,it has been a,we are not fighting for it,so we do not interfere in the matter approach,that they have taken....

    ////The T that will be formed will not be the dream T of Sujai. It will be nothing different from today.You will be shocked if I tell you names of some of our T politicos who have joined hands with the Kurnool land grabbers where T middle class people are victims and the T leaders did nothing when these people approached them.////

    I thought you were happy to see your lands flourish in some one else's hands.You admitted to it yourself.Then why this anger over a few T leaders?????

    If I may speak for you,it is for the love of your lands...You are actually sad to see them flourish in the hands of a few people who BUY them first,and develop them by using their resources...

    No farmer is ever happy,to sell his lands,no mater how good the price they get....You just assumed it.They are pained that they could not sustain the piece of land they inherited,because they could not put in extra capital into it....
    Once the selling starts,the land grabbers or encroacher's will not be much behind...It is a vicious circle....Just for your sake,how can one farmer be different from another,just because they come from another region????

    Regional development is a comprehensive issue,that needs the intervention of the State and Central government.It is not possible for an individual,or a few people to stand up to meet the demands of their people....
    The sooner you understand this concept,the easier it would be....

    I totally agree that almost all the politicians are opportunistic trash bags.No arguing that.......
    These local fellows,are used for their brute force.We happen to suffer from several such incidents,ourself....Our case is worse.

    The Telangana that Sujai talks of is not just his dream,it belongs to all of us...It is a dream that all the Lavanyas,Jais, wikis,Adityas, Greenstars,tintins and other Telanganas have.....
    In a very twisted way,it is your dream and your fight too.You are still unsure,HOW....

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  134. ///The only way out will be a settlement with the SA people. What form and content that entails is unknown today. It could be Hyd as joint capital for 5-10 years or central funding to form a capital or something else.///

    Hope better sense prevails and the dialogues start sooner than we hope..
    Sooner the better...If you can pull people forward to have an open discussion,please do....
    You will be surprised at the ease with which problems get solved,once the wheels start rolling.Lack of communication is the main issue here.And the SA media is having a great time creating it.

    ///But any violence will only tend to push it back further. Unlike what sujai feels, there has been no police repression.it is protection of the larger society.///

    Absolutely wrong.More than a lakh arrests,and thousands of cases filed,for proposing a peace march.How can you call it democratic and minimal!!!!

    Like I said already,the presence of the paramilitary forces itself is a direct to heart one...People are scared just looking at them.There is no need for the government to issue orders that could escalate the gravity of the situation.
    In fact several police officer's have been expressing their concerns,that orders are being given,which are against their own ethics,in the name of public welfare....

    The Army in Egypt has refused to take orders,from the government when they were forced to act against the people.They even apologised for their earlier action.This is the very same dilemma that the Police Department faces,in Telangana......

    Can your analysis be more faulty than this??????

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  135. @varun
    Andhras themselves Claim that the Tirupathi "venkatesha" is their Own Regional Andhra God and then Complain of backward attitudes like "Regionalism" among TG people

    ala eppudu evaru annaro kastha cheppi punyam chesukogalara?
    when did any person say that Lord Venkatsewara is a rayalaseema devudu?
    kindly show me one instance

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  136. y to go till kcr,is it more than the comments made on seemandraites by varun, or aditya?

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  137. @sujai
    one small personal qestion
    do u have seemandgra friends even now?

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  138. Kumara Narasimha,

    agreed that it is a good discussion. But it is hardly of any use.
    Bcoz it does not address most important economic issue.

    Who will pay money to build new capital city of SA? Also who will bear existing liabilities?

    Under self-declared 'victimhood' T-vaadis continue to demand SA give up everything. The tone has to change to 'sharing' rather than 'giving' and 'taking'.

    You said right about 'administering' settlement. But politicians are automatic gainers if there is a division.

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  139. Dear Green star,

    Thanks, your advise is well taken.
    I am not joining issue with the debate /exchange going on,that message was purely meant for Sujai.

    Regards

    phanendra

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  140. @varun
    Andhras themselves Claim that the Tirupathi "venkatesha" is their Own Regional Andhra God and then Complain of backward attitudes like "Regionalism" among TG people.


    In fact it is Tamilians who claim Tirupati and Tirumala are theirs

    Both the words 'tiru' (means sri) and 'mala' (means konda) are Tamil words.

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  141. @ Surya :

    its not the rules of the game but the repurcersions that the "agitation" u speak of might cause if violent passions are further continued.

    would have agreed totally had they attacked human beings instead of statues.So,for now.Sorry.I don't agree with this statement.

    most of the seemandhraites who oppose bifurcation(note me, thopugh im from the same region) are asking for implimentation of option 6 wich gives a commitee wich u mentioned and not option 1 of skc wich talks about status q

    SKC talks about status quo only to state that it is impossible to continue with the status quo.so,SA leaders feel option 6 is better.had SKC told status quo would also do,they would have chosen option 1 for sure.
    But fortunately/unfortunately,even SA leaders are against option 6.not sure if you have seen their interviews on Dec31st.They are against giving special privileges to T alone.So,still they are acting selfish as i already told.

    we call names to those who indulge in vandalism.

    Was it not vandalism that was displayed by SA ppl after the announcement of bifurcation on Dec 9th,2009 ?so,nobody deserves to speak about that.

    contd ...

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  142. @ Surya :

    seemandhraites oppose bifurcation as they have certain concerns like water sharing, safety of settlers, etc.

    Though T politicians and experts invite SA leaders and experts 'N' number of times to discuss the water problem,no one seems to observe that.
    Safety of settlers ?Why are SA politicians faking their concerns for the settlers when they (settlers) themselves are happy being in T ?Isn't it amusing that only a few settlers in Hyd are faking fear while the settlers in other parts of Telangana are happily living as always.

    but in reality no one is worried about their safety because they know nothing has happened/will happen to them.Strike by the residents of kPHB (JP's constituency)is a very good example."Safety for settlers" is the phrase made up by ppl like lagadapati.Even ppl in Srikakulam also went on a procession in support of Telangana last week.so,Telangana has support everywhere.SA politicians are just being a spoil sport.

    just as you want andhra medhavis to convince t people, we also want t medhavis to convinve seemandhra preople regarding the above mentioned concerns

    Andhra medhavis have made up their mind for bifurcation not because of pressure but because they know its legitimate.so,i would rather request those ppl to educate SA politicians.

    End ......

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  143. @ Nenusaitham :

    is that skit more offensive than the seemandhrulu rakshasulu, peda biryani, etc given by the great kalvakuntla chandrashekhara rao gaaru

    KCR is a politician.We have so many polticians who just speak anything that comes to their mind without a sense of occasion or purpose.
    Even Kavuri or lagadapati speak the same way as KCR.No one is bothered about what they say because everyone knows most of the times they don't make sense.

    But how many times have u seen Telangana parents inducing that kind of a hatred/attitude into the minds their kids ?Those kids who have no idea about what this movement is , will only have a negative picture producing more ladagaptis and kavuris.We are against that but not against everyone who speaks against Telangana.It is atrocious to see this kind of attitude from teachers who are supposed to teach ppl what is right/wrong

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  144. These are the things the supreme leader of seperate Telangana stated.Common telangana people belive him.
    1.Andhra bhago telangana jago

    common people think once telangana is formed all andhra people will move out and poor telangana people can occupy andhra people's houses.

    2.Meeru car Owenrs memu driverlama


    Common people think once telangana is formed all andhra people will become drivers and telangana people will become owners.They can occupy all big houses in jublee hills.

    3.Andhra people are stealing telangana jobs

    Common people think once telangana is formed all andhra people will be dismisses from jobs and telangana people will be installed in their positions.

    4.Andhra people are stealing telangana resources like water.

    common people think once telangana is formed the whole telangana will be like east godavari very fertile.

    basically he poisoned telangana people that andhra people are the root cause of telangana problems.

    he is spreading hatred.

    when people spread hatred people like it

    like when hitler spread hatred against jews and BJP spread hatred against muslims

    KCR is a career Politician.He is good for nothing power seeking bastard.

    When telangana is formed he is the only one that gets benefited and also his son his daughter his neices and nephews.
    He benefited already making a lot of money selling his party tickets.

    I really dont think any body objects to a seperate telangana state.If telangana wants to be seperated to be better and prosperous ---nothing wrong with this idea.

    But dont hate seemandhra people and dont think seemandhra people caused all the problems for telangana.

    The problem is hyderabad.People from all parts of the state came to hyderabad thinking it is their capitol city.

    Honestly what is wrong with this to come to capitol city.

    Many seemandhra people came to telangana because of this.

    In 1972 Telangana people wanted seemandhra people to have a visa(Mulki certificate) to work in united Andhra pradesh.Andhra people got very angry and started seperate andhra movement.Because no body in the same state should need a visa to work.

    It would have been better if the division had occured in 1972.

    now andhra people invested so much in hyderabad and hyderabad developed in united andhra pradesh for 60 years this KCR guy is saying Andhras are thieves and they should run away frm hyderabad.

    this is not fair.This is not justice.

    what i think should happen is

    telangana should be a seperate state with the capitol city of karimnagar.

    Andhra should have the capitol ongle.

    Hyderabad should remain as union territory..

    with this picture telangana will not loose any thing and andhra will not loose any thing.

    Hyderabadis interests will be protected.None of the TRS members are elected from Hyderabad.TRS members will loose deposits in hyderabad.

    hyderabadis dont care about telangana.

    If karim nagar becomes the capitol the surrounding areas will also develope.

    Afterall we all are fighting for developement

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  145. "We are against that but not against everyone who speaks against Telangana.It is atrocious to see this kind of attitude from teachers who are supposed to teach ppl what is right/wrong"
    The very movement of Telangana was built of edifice of hatred and lies. When a 3 year old kid from Medak utters "Telanganaki addostee adamgaa narikesta" what message does it convey? Kids in Telangana are thought to hate Andhras and dislike them. Are they not people? It is natural that the kids of Rajahmundry and their parents to react that way.
    When hurling stones is not bad,breaking of statues makes one proud mere enacting of drama is not bad.

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  146. @ Anonymous :

    The very movement of Telangana was built of edifice of hatred and lies.

    Get educated !!! No one is ready to go back to the square one to explain why we need Telangana and prove that they are not lies.All that is over.The movement has gone far beyond the stage of its justification.

    When a 3 year old kid from Medak utters "Telanganaki addostee adamgaa narikesta" what message does it convey? Kids in Telangana are thought to hate Andhras and dislike them.

    Go to flouride effected regions of Nalgonda, they also say the same thing.They also say that they want to slap the local MLAs and MPs.
    So,whats your point ?

    Did they ever say something so foolish as "Telangana vallu somaripothulu,chaduvu rani vallu etc" like they said in that drama? No one ever said Andhra vallu are so and so.they only said we want Telangana and any resistance to it will not be tolerated.Be it from SA politicians or ppl or central govt itself.

    What alerted me when i read your statement is that you are supporting this pathetic act of school drama and questioning the way we are defending the demolition of statues.

    Statues can be reconstructed.Can you reset their minds back again ?

    It is natural that the kids of Rajahmundry and their parents to react that way.

    Annual days happened in Telangana schools also.They were shown in Raj news.There were more dance programs.There was no drama where students said that "Andhra vallu svartha parulu etc".Remember that ppl of Telangana have more reasons to spread hatred for Andhra region than andhra ppl have to spread hatred for Telangana ppl.So,don't even compare or Challenge.

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  147. @ Anonymous :

    Common people think once telangana is formed all andhra people will be dismisses from jobs and telangana people will be installed in their positions.

    IS this hatred ?This is true boss.Please wake up.What are you expecting ?To still have the employees here ?They will be transferred to the same position or promoted to the new capital of Andhra state.This will be observed in all the govt and semi govt jobs.

    common people think once telangana is formed the whole telangana will be like east godavari very fertile.

    By speaking like this you are giving reasons for T ppl to hate you.Do you really think that ppl in this region are fools ?They can't think on their own ?They know that water problem will be solved.They are not expecting the lands to become fertile overnight.So,stop living in an illusion like those students who did that drama in school that T ppl are fools and can't think on their own.

    like when hitler spread hatred against jews and BJP spread hatred against muslims

    Whats wrong with many ppl like you ? why is that you guys prove Godwin's theory always right ?Anyone who compares anything to Hilter or holocaust is displaying the best quality of stupidity.
    We are smart enough to understand what you want to convey.For that you don't have to act stupid by comparing it to Hitler.You don't even seem to know T history properly.So,i assume that there is no chance for you to know about Hitler.So,refrain from this comparison.

    Contd ...

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  148. @ anonymous:

    I really dont think any body objects to a seperate telangana state.If telangana wants to be seperated to be better and prosperous ---nothing wrong with this idea.
    But dont hate seemandhra people and dont think seemandhra people caused all the problems for telangana.


    I don't mind answering any number of questions patiently.but these kind of sentences piss me off.If you really think development could be a good reason for separation they what else do you think ppl are fighting for ? Entire Govt understood that KCR has no control on the movement anymore.Then why this delay still ?

    Don't hate Andhra ppl ?Why shouldn't T ppl hate that region ?After Dec 9th,2009, is it not your stupidity that made central govt retract.Here you are speaking for ppl who made it difficult to achieve T now.So,pls stop talking like saints.SA ppl were responsible for all the mess now.Had they not obstructed T in 2009,we (all of us) would have been living happily.

    Honestly what is wrong with this to come to capitol city.

    Who said that its wrong ?Even KCR also didn't say that.They are speaking against ppl who came here to benefit and now acting like the bosses of that region.

    In 1972 Telangana people wanted seemandhra people to have a visa(Mulki certificate) to work in united Andhra pradesh.Andhra people got very angry and started seperate andhra movement.Because no body in the same state should need a visa to work.

    Firstly,remember on thing.When merger happened,it was clearly told that though these two regions belong to same state they should be considered as two different region because of the background and history.
    Secondly,it was not because of VISA.They were selfish then also because they will not be able to get jobs in capital unless they lived for 12yrs there.So,they came up with Jai Andhra movement demanding to remove Mulki.Seems that you didn't understand the word Mulki.It doesn't mean Visa.

    Contd ...

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  149. @ Anonymous :

    It would have been better if the division had occured in 1972.

    One more request to all those who are opposing Telangana and using this sentence,Please stop irritating ppl with his sentence.Now you ppl are not allowing T formation.If T is not formed in 2011, down the lane when it comes up again, then ppl who oppose T will say it would have been better if T was bifurcated in 2011 itself.If your intention is really the welfare of this ppl,stop using this sentence and start supporting Telangana OR you can continue opposing Telangana, but don't use this sentence.

    KCR guy is saying Andhras are thieves and they should run away frm hyderabad.this is not fair.This is not justice.

    Is opposing Telangana your only agenda ? Why don't you keep your ears open to listen to the same KCR who also said "Andhrawale bago " applies to only those rich ppl who own illegal lands.Not to the common man.They are always welcomed to be here like always.

    Hyderabad should remain as union territory..

    All the best.Keep dreaming.This only shows your sadism that they you don't want hyd to belong T ppl just because it doesn't belong to you.

    with this picture telangana will not loose any thing

    Will lose hell lot of jobs which is one of the reasons behind the movement.

    hyderabadis dont care about telangana.

    If you keeping watching only TV9 then this what you will know.Entire hyderabad involved in Non-Cooperation movement.North Indians, Muslims and even KPHB colony settlers also went on to support Telangana.Keep your eyes and ears widen open to know these things.

    Afterall we all are fighting for developement

    Telangana ppl are fighting for development.Andhra ppl are fighting for Hyderabad.So,please don't include T ppl in your league.

    End ...

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  150. Why don't you keep your ears open to listen to the same KCR who also said ..
    Sorry for diverting the topic. But most of you (participating here) disown KCR.
    It would be nice if you have clarity for yourself and then educate others on which statement of KCR should taken in right spirit.
    I request you to get hold of KCR's interview on TV9 after Dec 9 2009 announcement.
    A lady called from Khammam district. She hailed from SA but settled there central government employement.
    She asked KCR about her and her childrens "Telangana" status. He replied in nagative.
    Now he talked differently to Lagadapati.
    During discussion on ABN KCR asserted that "ee mattilo puttina biddlandaru Telangana vaare" (or to that extent).
    Lagadapati and Chalasani thanked him for the statement.
    Whereas co-convener of T-laywer's JAC present there protested immediately.

    When you disown KCR and TRS for certain acts, better you do not answer any questions related to them.
    It is unfair to ask someone else to hear what KCR says "with ears open".

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  151. @ anonymous :

    During discussion on ABN KCR asserted that "ee mattilo puttina biddlandaru Telangana vaare" (or to that extent).

    Anonymous,just because i clarified KCR statement that doesn't mean i support KCR.Remember that KCR is not equal to Telangana.I said this many times in the same forum already.So,his theories apply to him also.If he acts smart,T ppl will throw him also.
    Its just not me.Even OU students also told that we are behind KCR doesn't mean students are supporting KCR.Currently to make the movement a success,we need to political face and KCR is that.FYI,Lots of OU students joined BJP.So,just because KCR is the political face of the movement,don't think that ppl are supporting for what ever he talks.Its like listening to lagadapati and thinking that all andhra ppl are like him only.

    So,we never owned him to disown him.

    When you disown KCR and TRS for certain acts, better you do not answer any questions related to them.

    Because you mentioned one sentence from KCR and trying to blame T movement for it,i tried to explain the context in which he spoke.

    So,as long as ppl like you try to blame T agitation taking KCR's name, ppl like me will defend what he said not to defend KCR but to defend the movement.If you start seeing movement and KCR differently,them perhaps i will not defend him.

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  152. So,as long as ppl like you try to blame T agitation taking KCR's name, ppl like me will defend what he said not to defend KCR but to defend the movement.If you start seeing movement and KCR differently,them perhaps i will not defend him.

    Very suprising! My whole comment is about KCR and KCR only. Then how could you conclude I am blaming entire T movement in the name of KCR?
    All that I asked you is when you cannot answer certain behavior of KCR better do not tell others to take pain to understand KCR.
    Where is the T movement in my comment?

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  153. Does anyone realise why the 3 MLAs got "bought" or the other 2 MLAs got "bought" in the second preferential vote? The other 2 MLAs are still not ousted and there is NO reason to believe that these 3 are the THREE. In fact many people say the three are actually KTR, Harish Rao and Vidyasagar (who is already blamed) - all family members

    But the issue is not that. The main issue is that the entire TG agitation is based on a bunch of lies and everyone knows that. That is why everyone is trying to sell a bad product and make maximum money - "make hay while sun shines" style.

    It was KCR himself who got sold for a couple of 100 crores earlier. Look at KTR now - he acts like he is a like deaf and dumb guy.

    The issue here is that the foundations of the Telangana agitation are weak and TRS knows it and is just exploiting it in a manner of "make hay when sun shines".

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  154. If you keeping watching only TV9 then this what you will know....
    I agree with your fully but for different reason.
    Most of Hyderabadis are paper tigers who say nothing in public but write on web so much against T movement.
    Average Hyderabadi is a spineless COWARD. Know why? Hyderabadi is not Telanganite.
    All that he wants today is save his position and assets.

    Broadly there are 3 groups in AP voicing thier stand vis-a-vis separation.
    T-vaadis from Telangana
    Smaikhayvaadis from SA regions.
    Intellectuals, caste groups in SA that favor separation.
    In fact the last group was most vocal than Smaikhayvaadis.

    Interestingly there is no single individual or group in Telangana that can complete the 2x2 combination.

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  155. Quote:
    "
    is that skit more offensive than the seemandhrulu rakshasulu, peda biryani, etc given by the great kalvakuntla chandrashekhara rao gaaru"

    Here point is not who used big words, if you want to complain about TG leaders/peoples offensive statements, then first you need to look at yourself if you were doing the same?

    I am really disappointment the way SA teaching about TG people, and yet they say they love TG people? What kind of nonsense is it?

    We always said we dont like to stay with SA people, but SA .... they keep spread venom in there people/kids about TG people but say they love TG people.... what a twisted tongues SA got?

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  156. @all friends,
    i want to divert this hated debate atleast for few hours, if not days.
    who do u think will win WC 2011
    my stakes are on pak and australia

    my heart beats for India but somehow they are not being consistent

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  157. You wrote a long message about what common TG people think, actually they dont think like that but you assume they think like that.

    Any way here are few things which proves you are completely ignorant about Telangnaa or SeemAndhra, you are not cleaver enough to talk about common people. Because you are too a common people (by your definition).

    Quote:
    "
    In 1972 Telangana people wanted seemandhra people to have a visa(Mulki certificate) to work in united Andhra pradesh.Andhra people got very angry and started seperate andhra movement.Because no body in the same state should need a visa to work."

    So, you got the your own Andhra written history(which always differ with any non-andhra history books) or you may have got the Lagadapati's history or may be brainwashed by your Kavuri.

    Its is not in 9172, but from the time Andhra and Telangana merged. That was one of the condition for the merge, and you leaders/people approved that so that they can merge with Telangana. I dont understand why they got angry for what they have agreed before. It is completely Seemandra's fault.

    Quote:
    "
    telangana should be a seperate state with the capitol city of karimnagar.
    Andhra should have the capitol ongle.
    Hyderabad should remain as union territory..
    with this picture telangana will not loose any thing and andhra will not loose any thing.
    "

    Why HYD has remain as union territory? Even it is a part of HYD state, telangana will not loose anything? So, why to make it UT? The big reason for merge is the capital. You guys having very very very hard time construction your capital. By merging you got a ready made capital which is well constructed and that was already world class city so that you can move/start your businesses. That was the benefit you got by the merge? What telangana received with merge? nothing, other than that they had to share HYD with Andhra which was solo property of Telangnaa before the merge. There are no other cities in Telangana like Vijayawada or Vizag.

    If we have to take the HYD out of Telangna do you agree to take out the Vijaz, Kakinada, Tirupati and Vijayawada/Guntur from SA?

    Quote:
    "
    Hyderabadis interests will be protected.None of the TRS members are elected from Hyderabad.TRS members will loose deposits in hyderabad."

    How they are protected? What Hyderabadies interests are you talking about? Who are you to talk about Hyderabadies? Why are they dont talk about themselves?

    Not only in HYD....TRS was never victorious even in Telangana too.

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  158. my heart beats for India but somehow they are not being consistent
    More than consistency they lack desire for winning.

    Yet Dhoni can create miracles with huge luck favoring him time and again.

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  159. nenusaitham said...

    "is that skit more offensive than the seemandhrulu rakshasulu, peda biryani, etc"

    I really can not understand andhra guys. KCR compared andhra biryani to "gobar". Even if you want too translate into Telugu, it should be called "penda" (not "peda" which is a sweat in Telangana)

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  160. The contents of the 8th Chapter of the SKC report is finally out....

    Would like to have an open debate upon the contents....

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  161. ‘8వ అధ్యాయాన్ని బహిర్గతం చేయాలి’

    హైదరాబాద్ : జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ నివేదికలోని 8వ అధ్యయనాన్ని బహిరంగపరచాలని హైకోర్టు బుధవారం సంచలన తీర్పునిచ్చింది. ఎనిమిదో అధ్యాయంలో పొందుపరిచిన వివరాలను బహిర్గతం చేయాలంటూ మోహన్‌రావు అనే న్యాయవాది హైకోర్టును ఆశ్రయించిన విషయం తెల్సిందే.

    దీనిపై ఇరుపక్షాల వాదనలు విన్న జస్టిస్ నర్సింహారెడ్డి అధ్యయనంలో పొందుపరిచిన వివరాలను బహిర్గతం చేయాల్సిందేనని కేంద్రాన్ని ఆదేశించారు. అలాగే ఆ ప్రతులను అన్ని రాజకీయ పార్టీలకు ఇవ్వాలని సూచించారు. కాగా దీనిపై అప్పీల్ కోసం రాష్ట్ర ప్రభుత్వం సోమవారం వరకూ గడువు కోరింది.

    Source: Sakshi.com Mar 23, 2011

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  162. Quote:
    "
    The contents of the 8th Chapter of the SKC report is finally out....

    Would like to have an open debate upon the contents....
    "

    I am in the impression that the 8th chapter is still in sealed cover, and govt may challenge this HC decision by coming Monday. If they challenge, then it may take few more months to clear the case.

    By the way ... does any one has the scanned copy of the pamphlets which was distributed by SA leaders in Assembly yesterday? I am interested to know what info it contains and how they are brainwashing there people with lies.

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  163. It is so interesting that within hours of judgement everybody started discussing contents of the chapter-8.

    Can somebody provide a link to HC Judgement as well as contents of chapter-8.

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  164. The Central govt will again appeal in Supreme court, so this can go and on, dont expect 8th chapter to be released anytime soon.

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  165. http://hc.ap.nic.in/orders/wp_1569_2011.html


    I cannot express how sad and disturbing I found the contents....

    No comments.

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  166. SRIKRISHNA PANEL WAS ANTI-TELENGANA

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Srikrishna-panel-was-anti-Telangana/articleshow/7773146.cms

    HYDERABAD: It was meant to be an impartial committee constituted to look into the demand for Telangana. Instead, it ended up more partisan that a Congress party's internal report.

    "The Justice Srikrishna Committee was against the creation of Telangana, was of the view that maoists will benefit and that communal violence will be unleashed if Telangana was created. The panel also urged the centre to 'manage' the print media to project the united Andhra stance by doling out the advertisements accordingly."

    These was the summary of Chapter 8 of the Srikrishna Committee which was submitted in a sealed secret cover by the members to the centre. Following a petition by former MP N Narayana Reddy seeking that the report be made public, Justice L Narasimha Reddy, who had reserved his orders in the case, made the contents public on Wednesday and made scathing observations against the views projected by the panel.

    In his 60-page order, Justice Narasimha Reddy said: "After a great deal of study, an in-depth pondering over, and after weighing the factors, such as propriety, this Court opinions not as matter of choice, that the objective in preparing a separate note and delivering it to the respondent was more an effort to persuade the Union of India to desist from showing any inclination towards Option No.5, i.e. formation of Telangana State." The Committee travelled beyond the terms of reference in its endeavour to persuade the Union of India not to accede to the demand for Telangana, the justice held.

    According to the secret report, if Telangana was formed, it will become an epicentre for maoist violence and communal violence. "The note suggests that maoists will extend their activities to various districts of Telangana; spread Maoist violence, and that Maoists are trying to make a combat through Telangana region," justice Reddy said. In the event that the separate state is not realised, some of the militant elements in the maoist movement will go underground and revive the movement in some parts of Telangana, the note said.

    With regard to communal violence, the creation of Telangana will give rise to Jihadi elements in the Muslim community and to counter that, "Hindu fundamentalists may compete with them and try to polarize the Hindu population. Referring to the political parties BJP and MIM, the secret note said: Since the BJP has a strong presence, it may try to consolidate in Telangana area and further extend its base. AIMIM may try to expand in Rayalaseema regions resulting in birth of militant communalism in certain pockets. The note also hinted that dividing the state will heighten fissures on caste lines.

    Pointing out the contradictions in the Srikrishna Committee's main report and the secret note, Justice Narasimha Reddy noted that while stating in the main report that the demand for a separate Telangana has some merit, in the note, it painted a different picture. "According to it, most of the major infrastructure in Telangana region in the fields of education, industries, etc., is owned by Seemandra people, and formation of State would be detrimental to such establishments," the justice observed. (contd.)

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  167. (contd.)
    SRIKRISHNA PANEL WAS ANTI-TELENGANA

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Srikrishna-panel-was-anti-Telangana/articleshow/7773146.cms

    The secret note claimed that "most of the major educational infrastructure in the Telangana region has historically been owned by the Seemandhra people. The student community which is spearheading the separate Telangana agitation has been using these educational institutions for their agitational activities. This may lead to migration of the faculty as well as these institutions, impacting / reducing the availability of local persons who can be productively engaged by the industry/business-houses," the note said.

    Further, the note held that the Telangana region is mineral rich having deposits of limestone, and granite and that the dominant industries there are thermal power stations, pharmaceuticals etc., which are mostly managed by Seemandhra people. "One of the main propaganda issues in the Telangana agitation has been that once a separate state is created, the job opportunities in all these industries will be made available to the people of Telangana. Many of the owners and skilled personnel in these industries have historically being from Seemandhra region, the inability to substitute them with sufficient number of qualified locals may lead to conflict between the locals and non-locals and also between the management and the workforce.

    While stating that Telangana leaders should be appointed in key political posts like chief minister and deputy chief minister (in order to keep the state undivided), the secret note of the Srikrishna panel said in order to soften the TSR, Congress leaders from Telangana should be persuaded not to lend any form of support to the separate state movement. "The Congress High Command must sensitize its own MPs and MLAs and educate them about the wisdom for arriving at an acceptable and workable solution," which meant no to Telangana.

    Advising the centre as to how to manage the media with the aim of not granting Telangana, the secret note said: "Andhra Pradesh has got about 13 Electronic Channels and 5 major local Newspapers which are in the forefront of moulding the public opinion. Except for two Channels (Raj News & HMTV), the rest of them are supporters of a united Andhra Pradesh." While the main editors and the editorial desk are dominated by Seemandhra people, the beat journalists in the respective regions are locals and are likely to capture only those events/news which reflect the regional sentiments, the Srikrishna panel held. referring to this observation, Justice Narasimha Reddy said: "If one has any doubt about the hidden opposition of the Committee for formation of Telangana, that stands removed with this note."

    Referring to the media management that the panel suggested to the centre in order to dilute the T movement, the justice said: More disturbing is the suggestion given by the Committee to the Government. It reads, The print media is hugely dependent on the Government for advertisement revenue and if carefully handled, can be an effective tool to achieve this goal. The court also castigated the state for rewarding an IPS officer for having caused violence against students at Osmania University by posting him as commissioner of a city and further rewarding him after he was involved in a SMS scandal.

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  168. Look forward to reading your comments on Narasimha Reddy's judgement on the 8th chapter of the Sri Krishna Committee Report.

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  169. http://missiontelangana.com/?p=404

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  170. [I cannot express how sad and disturbing I found the contents....]

    Isn't called the venom spread by Anti-T people? I wish I kick the butts of SKCs.... tuqlucks.....

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  171. [I cannot express how sad and disturbing I found the contents....]

    As Sujai said some time back in one of his comments, SKC should be prosecuted after T is formed for spreading lies and practicing and advocating anti-democratic paths.

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  172. @ All :

    I take a bow to all those ppl who think they know the human values better than T ppl.I also bow to all those asking for united AP in the name of a dangerous disease called "TELUGU PRIDE".

    Look at the amazing display of Telugu pride in the videos below.If T electricity employees committee challenged SKC report by releasing a report,Andhra ppl released a report as a counter to this report directly targeting ppl and not their points.

    Is somebody still out their who says i come from SA but i love T ppl and so,wanted United AP ?If the answer is yes,don't waste your time in trying counter my arguments but please go and meet and psychiatrist.

    Check this out fellas ..

    Part1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhr_JVAUvGo&feature=related
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bolhZKpZkVs

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  173. SKC reports Introduction Started with Quotes from Bhudda But in the Final 8th Chapter with quotes like
    “The print media is hugely dependent on the Government for advertisement revenue and if carefully handled can be an effective tool to achieve this goal”.

    The language used in the 8th chapter sounds similar to that used in US army Counter-insurgency field manual written by General patreaus . Perhaps SKC should have written a report for the ISAF in Afghanisthan to help them deal with the Insurgency there.

    "There is also a need for providing strong and firm political leadership and placement of representatives of Telangana in key positions "

    <<< SKC would have loved if there was a Telangana Saddam Hussein, He could have provide all the "strong and Firm" leadership needed.

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  174. The editorial opinions, the banner headlines, the Regional content, the District editions need to be "MANAGED" to be realistic and should give only due coverage to the separate Telangana agitations.

    <<< Managed ? So AK khan was "managing" TV channels when he called them up personally to stop Broadcasting TG agitation. NBA also came in handy for "MANAGING".

    The whole SKC report is about "MANAGING" telangana agitation.

    Neera Radia could also Claim in Court that She was "MANAGING" to get Ministerial berths.

    Great word this "MANAGING" is , Hell even ordinary people can "MANAGE" a traffic Cop with a couple of RS when u jump a signal.

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  175. HC judge<<<"In a way, it can be said that, whatever positive was said in support of option No. 5, was just neutralized through the note even at the cost of several contradictions".

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  176. I just read the judgment and am extremely distressed. The functioning of the SKC has been totally exposed as a sham & black mark on democracy.

    Committee members are expected to be neutral referees. They chose to act as the peons of andhra plutocrats.

    Shame on the SKC & central govt.

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  177. [Neera Radia could also Claim in Court that She was "MANAGING" to get Ministerial berths.]

    Well said main, as I said before SA and there supporters got a unique dictionary where many words meaning is different from what rest of the world knows.. like 'MANAGING' media, 'MANAGING' TRS, 'MANAGING' congress MP/MLA, and finally let people go to hell.

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  178. [If T electricity employees committee challenged SKC report by releasing a report,Andhra ppl released a report as a counter to this report directly targeting ppl and not their points.]

    Do you mean this,?

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  179. After seeing bumble bumkum broacher I put the liquor numbers in a sheet. Well see who is champion on top 10 list if you put RR and HYD a side(we know why).

    Liquor sales in AP

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  180. Green Star,

    Your liquor chart..

    What does it show? That the consumption of liqor today is almost the same across AP.
    From this we cannot counter Punna Rao. We have to see what was the pattern during the 60s and 70s. If the consumption of liqor in T was more than in SA then we can partly accept his arguments. But if the patternw as same even in 60s and 70s then we have an argument gainst him.

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  181. Jai,

    The judgement is the judge's interpretation. Let us wait for the report to be made public. Then let us see what exactly was stated.

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  182. Anonymous:

    The judgement is the judge's interpretation. Let us wait for the report to be made public. Then let us see what exactly was stated.

    The report is already made public to some extent through the judgment. The text from the 'note' is available now and it makes extremely nonsensical observations.

    With what is available, we can say that SKC report is damaging.

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  183. Anonymous:

    If the consumption of liqor in T was more than in SA then we can partly accept his arguments.

    We are NOT ready to accept his arguments whether it is proven Telanganas drink more than Andhras or Rayalaseemas. There is no correlation between consumption of alcohol and backwardness as argued in that letter. If that was the case then Germany should be more backward than Sudan.

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  184. From Bumble brochure:
    <<<Talli okkatey 15 Kotla Telugu vallakey.

    Fact: Seemandhra Population- 5 crore.

    So What about the Views of rest of 10 crore Telugu people.

    So according to Grand "Medhavulu" if Telugu Talli means remaining in United AP what about the Rest of 6 Crore Telugus outside AP, are they Orphans for our Telugu talli.

    The Statue at Secretariat is not of Telugu Talli but of Andhra Rakshashee , It would make a Sweet Target.

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  185. Quote:
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    What does it show? That the consumption of liqor today is almost the same across AP.
    From this we cannot counter Punna Rao. We have to see what was the pattern during the 60s and 70s.
    "

    Well,, as per Punna Rao's analysis he concluded that T people are capable of spending more on Liquor, that proves T people are economically forward, hence TG is developed well than SA.

    But if you look into numbers(given by him), if you leave RR and HYD, see the ranks for rest of the districts, that proves who spending more on drinking.

    As you said, if spending is almost equal across the state why the hell SA call TG people as drunkers?

    If you take the pre-merge numbers, there was more excise revenue in Telangana than SA. Is that mean TG was developed very well than SA before the merge?

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  186. @GreenStar :

    I think (Not sure) that is what is talked about in the videos i pasted.They read out few sentences which were just not acceptable.

    I couldn't understand what this fellow Punna Rao is trying to say by talking about unnecessary things.he says Vijayashanthi's roots are in West Godavari district.So,what his point ?

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  187. I have read the 'learned' high court judge's judgement. The govt is within its rights not to disclose the contents as it was 'consultative' committee. The judge refers to 'bias against Telangana' without proving the same. I am referring to the excerpts from the chapter 8 the 'learned' judge gave in his judgement. The judge construes some statements as bias even though they do not convey bias directly or indirectly.

    The committee was within its rights to advise govt on how to face the emotionally charged environment after delivering the report. The excerpts from the report, as mentioned in the judgement, does say that political decision needs to be arrived at the earliest. They refer to insecurity among seemandhra businesses in Hyd and the danger of their movement back to Andhra in the event of separation. Much noise is being made about media management. Based on the excerpts, the committee gave a picture of media leanings but never told govt to fabricate lies or information. The report chapter 8 says the following about 'Media Management':

    "media management assumes critical importance to ensure that only the reality is projected and no unnecessary hype is created. The editorial opinions, the banner headlines, the Regional content, the District editions need to be managed to be realistic and should give only due coverage to the separate Telangana agitations."

    The committee was suggesting to the govt the way to tackle the situation upon its recommendation for option 6. Govt at state and central level routinely collect intelligence information, how different or biased is the committee when it says the above statements?

    The learned judge goes out of his way when he says the committee did not talk about '600 persons'. May I ask how the judge got this number.. is it from TRS or TJAC?

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  188. i think wat Mr.punna rao meant was that increased liquior revenue means people are not economically backward.
    even then, I as a seemandhraite 100% condemn that book though i know Mr.punna rao personally quite well.

    apart from the filthiest of language used by kcr to whioch seemandhraites have already got used to, will any telanganite, in the same way condemn the following:

    *in any discussion forum apart from this, whenever any t-person wants to abuse a SA person the first thing wich he says is "peddapuram and chilakalooripeta" meaning andhra women are prostitutes.is it more offensive than being called drunkards?

    *on april 4th 2010, in hmtv dasha disha held at khammam, dr.shankar nayak of singareni jac said that andhra people cheat australians as well.hence they are physicaly attacked even there.on what basis did he say that?does he have any proof of number of physical attacks?he also said that seemandhraites have a culture of killig small children for money(after one such incident happend in vijayawada)

    *in a letter given to skc, smt.dattu kanakadurga said that seemandhraites have "sankuchitha manastatvam" in their culture.they cant get along with anyone.the same letter was published in andhrajyothy on one of the sundays of june 2010.dont remember the exact date

    *deshapathi srinivas's frequent usage of the term "valasavaadulu".now wat it means, he only shd know.

    *one "telangana muslim rachayathala sangham"(dont know much about it) in a letetr to skc, said that seemandhraites "hate" islam religion and urdu language.
    i dare them to show atleast one town in SA district wich doesnt have a mosque. "hindu"pur town has a muslim MLA


    i condemn punna rao's statement.will any telanganaite condemn the above???

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  189. Justice P.V. Sanjay Kumar of the Andhra Pradesh High Court Tuesday admitted a writ petition complaining that earmarking of NABARD funds for Telangana region in general and Karimnagar district in particular is highly discriminatory. .....

    Source: http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/23/stories/2011032360911000.htm

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  190. The Committee comprised two jurists, two social scientists and an ex-bureaucrat to study the situation and submit report covering legal and social dimensions of the issue. None of them were supposed to have any political leanings, or for that matter, political tendencies. Unfortunately, the portion extracted from SKC Report - Chapter8 makes one to feel whether it fits into any terms of reference to the Committee at all.

    Source: http://www.rediff.com/news/report/srikrishna-report-secret-note-on-how-to-delay-telangana-issue/20110324.htm

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  191. Quote:
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    The committee was suggesting to the govt the way to tackle the situation upon its recommendation for option 6."

    Why would they do that? Govt. didn't assigned such task to SKC when it was appointed.

    Quote:
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    The learned judge goes out of his way when he says the committee did not talk about '600 persons'. May I ask how the judge got this number.. is it from TRS or TJAC?"

    He may have counted himself. !! Why dont you ask the same question to that Judge? You will get a better answer.

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  192. Quote:
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    I as a seemandhraite 100% condemn that book though i know Mr.punna rao personally quite well."

    I too condemn what ever T vadis said so far !! so we settle the scores, now do you people let us live alone in our own state? ......NOPE.. that is where you people irritate the T people. Who started this words exchange? How do you expect us to stay with you when you show your indepth hatred towards T people?


    One can understand if some one uses angry words on whom he dont want to stay together. But no logic in the Univeris will explain if some one uses such filthy language on some one whom he loves atmost and will give his life before get separated?


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    i condemn punna rao's statement.will any telanganaite condemn the above???"

    I dont condemn any of the statements you mentioned. Atleast we are talking our heart, but you cowards dont dare to say 'We SA, dont like telangana but want to stay with Telangana' or 'We dont like Telangana, if they give us HYD, we can ditch the Telugu Unity and Telugu Pride'.

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  193. I do not see any point in attributing motives to Honored Judge.
    I am not so much knowledged on legal aspects.

    But this is what my common sense says.

    1. Chapter-8 is a kind of black-box from anybody's perspective.

    2. To my knowledge neither SKC not center mentioned any reasons for not publishing this chapter.

    3. Whether anybody likes it or not center has its own reasons to keep it secret. Thanks to this legal suit that center was 'forced' to make a comment on this chapter.

    4. The very request in this petition was making this chapter public. Judge could have stopped at giving the order in favor of the petitioner. But by passing additional comments, I feel very unfortunate to say, Judge has crossed the finer limits between Government and Judiciary.

    I have a simple question to those supporting Judges actions of revealing parts of Chapter-8.

    What if Supreme Court say Center has right (and reason too) for keeping the chapter-8 secret?
    I would say HC judge has violated the very law he is supposed to protected.

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  194. @Nenusaitham
    <<<<on april 4th 2010, in hmtv dasha disha held at khammam, dr.shankar nayak of singareni jac said that andhra people cheat australians as well.hence they are physicaly attacked even there.on what basis did he say that?does he have any proof of number of physical attacks?he also said that seemandhraites have a culture of killig small children for money(after one such incident happend in vijayawada.




    OK so your Seemandhra "Manobavalu" (often repeated phrase these days) are Hurt by some statement of Shankar Nayak( May be a famous person among Andhras but i Guess No TG person even heard of him).

    But you Andhra Guys were Pillaging Our Telangana since 1 November 1956, How should we feel, Iam still very very Suprised why No Attacks on Andhras are taking place.

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  195. Sree Krishna 8th SecretMarch 24, 2011 10:58 PM

    If Telangana forms it will be the 29th State in Indian union. I had a Informal meeting with a Famed Numerologist During the committee's Consultations , He Adviced that 29 is a very ominous Number and Said Aliens will launch attack on India if Telangana is formed. So based on the "expert recoomendations" I advice that Formation of Telangana will be Averse to Our National Intersts.

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  196. http://hc.ap.nic.in/orders/wp_1569_2011.html

    The very first point of the judgement is

    [The petitioner is a Practicing Advocate, a former Member of Parliament and A.P. Legislative Assembly. He has also held positions in the Zilla Parishad, Nizamabad District, and was associated with the Agro Industries in different capacities. He filed this writ petition with a prayer to declare that the action of the Union of India, Ministry of Home Affairs (for short ‘the respondent’), in withholding a note on Chapter-VIII (Law and Order and Internal Security Dimensions) (for short ‘the note’) of the report of the Committee for Consultation on the situation in Andhra Pradesh, headed by Sri Justice Srikrishna (hereinafter referred to as ‘the Committee’); as illegal, arbitrary, unreasonable and unconstitutional. Consequential direction to the respondent to furnish the same to him, or to place it on the website of the respondent, is also sought.
    ]

    What is the prayer of the petitioner?

    Did he ask the Honorable court to reveal the contents in the Judgement?

    Instead of trying to highlight contentious points court could have simply attached the Chapter-8 in the judgement.

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  197. SKC: If Rayala Telangana is formed BJP will win in Telangana and MIM will in Rayalaseema.


    I didnt know if "electoral prospects of Congress" was one of the Terms of Reference.

    Perhaps Sonia Should have appointed Sreekrishna as the AP congress political Incharge instead of Azad.

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  198. [59. The task before this Court is indeed, a delicate one. Several fundamental questions arise for consideration. The petitioner demands that a chapter of the report, in the form of a note, which is kept as secret by the respondent, be made public. In all fairness, the respondent made available to this Court, the report itself, and submitted that in case the Court finds that the report need not be made public, the writ petition be dismissed in limini, and if it is felt that the report be made public, opportunity be given to them to file counter-affidavit. This accords with the principle laid down by the Supreme Court.]

    Once again court itself indicates neither petitioner asked for nor respondent wanted to reveal any specific points.
    But court has shown high (in)discretion in revealing some points selectively.

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  199. India Wins, Prospects of a Final of India VS pakistan, If Telangana forms we Could have even more exiting IPL matches TG VS ANDhra.

    There is more Animosity between people of TG and Andhra than PAK and India. Pakistan was Not granted Until there were large Scale riots between Hindus and Muslims, Looks like Our Lethargic Central govt wont wake Up until there are Riots between Andhras and Telangana people

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  200. [65. After a great deal of study, an in-depth pondering over, and after weighing the factors, such as propriety, this Court opinions not as matter of choice, that the objective in preparing a separate note and delivering it to the respondent was more, an effort to persuade the Union of India to desist from showing any inclination towards Option No.5, i.e. formation of Telangana State. In a way, it can be said that, whatever positive was said in support of option No.5, was just neutralized, through the note, even at the cost of several contradictions
    ]

    Did the court really exhibit propriety, by selectively revealing the 'secret' report?

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