These are the three slides from my part of the presentation to SriKrishna Committee in May 2010. I will add the actual text and speech at a later time. For now, I am presenting those slides. [There is a mistake I made in the slides. It should say "More than 10,000 movies..." instead of "More than 25,000 movies..."].
Nuvvu top anna.
ReplyDeleteWow!! nice slides. Heart rendering. Touching. Makes me wonder if you are the ghost writer for yash raj movies.
ReplyDeleteUnortunately, a progressive and sane society worth its name anywhere around the world will look at numbers and statistics and not literary skills on the slides/pictures.
And now the next thing you and ilk cry foul is that the andhraites have cooked up the stats.
anna... slides chaalu. Inkaa text and speech to saava gottaku. Tattukoleemu. Yenti 25000 movies lo chulakana chesara? andukani state kavalaa? kaani MF hussain gaadidi maatram artistic freedom.
ReplyDeleteYou say there was discrimination,then you better ask for a separate country.If you live in India you have to live with other people who don't share your religion,language,slang,region.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous above:
ReplyDelete"You say there was discrimination,then you better ask for a separate country"
Go suck your grandfather's dick who might have felt discriminated by Tamilians to get some mental enlightenment!
Dear Brother Sujai,
ReplyDeleteI have written many articles for the cause of Telangna on some websites and on my own blog.I can only say that you are the best blogger Telangana ever produced.given Andhra (andhera..) people antipathy for democracy and dialogue you words might not have been taken well.My only hope is that your writings should find a voice on Raj Tv for larger good of Telangna.Telangana certainly needs you.
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/aug/19/slide-show-1-interview-jyotirmaya-sharma-on-why-trs-does-not-represent-telangana-movement.htm
ReplyDeleteSujai,
ReplyDeleteAt last this is the fight for Hyderabad and Water. If you people can compromise on these treating those as common properties, there will be no problem. Otherwise, Telangana will not be formed as a seperate state for the next 5 decades.
Bravo man.
ReplyDeleteArticle is simple great and effective
ReplyDeleteSujai will u put up the whole report online.
ReplyDelete@Rami Reddy
ReplyDeleteAtleast better than you going to KCR,Kodandaram or your friend Madhu Yaskhi and sucking their 'you know what' .Maybe your mental state is better than mine..Please bloody mind your language you moron........
@ Anon
ReplyDeleteUnortunately, a progressive and sane society worth its name anywhere around the world will look at numbers and statistics and not literary skills on the slides/pictures.
The kind of accounting that Andhras produce is not accounting science, but called accounting art. Art is abstract and not bound by any numbers. Ask Satyam if you need further clarification.
Or.. you can say.. Andhras are neither sane nor civilized, but are rapacious leeches!
The choice is yours, my friend!
@ Anon
ReplyDeleteUnortunately, a progressive and sane society worth its name anywhere around the world will look at numbers and statistics and not literary skills on the slides/pictures.
The kind of accounting that Andhras produce is not accounting science, but called accounting art. Art is abstract and not bound by any numbers. Ask Satyam if you need further clarification.
Or.. you can say.. Andhras are neither sane nor civilized, but are rapacious leeches!
The choice is yours, my friend!
Anonymous:
ReplyDelete[You should leave a name - even a pseudonym is good enough. It helps]
Unortunately, a progressive and sane society worth its name anywhere around the world will look at numbers and statistics and not literary skills on the slides/pictures.
The answer lies in the text of the message on this post:
These are the three slides from my part of the presentation...
The original presentation to SKC contained nearly 15 slides with statistics, figures, numbers, etc, on various topics. There was an accompanying report which is 100+ document with detailed statistics.
The report was put together by more than 25 stalwarts from various fields making it one of the most comprehensive reports on Telangana of the last 25 years.
I will put it up on the blog after I take permission from the concerned people.
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteanna... slides chaalu. Inkaa text and speech to saava gottaku. Tattukoleemu.
I am not sure if you realize that this blog does not invite you over. You come here on your own. You have the luxury not to visit my blog if you are not able to bear it.
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteYou say there was discrimination,then you better ask for a separate country.If you live in India you have to live with other people who don't share your religion,language,slang,region.
If there is discrimination in this country, I will fight within this country to bring change because I have strong faith in this country. We are not trying to enforce our language, slang onto others. On the other hand, we are fighting against the groups who are trying to impose their language/slang onto us.
Madhu:
ReplyDeleteAt last this is the fight for Hyderabad and Water.
We believe this fight is for water, energy, jobs, and many other things, the most important being self-respect.
If you people can compromise on these treating those as common properties, there will be no problem. Otherwise, Telangana will not be formed as a seperate state for the next 5 decades.
We do not think that water is our property. We continue to believe it is a common property to be shared amongst various states in a certain ratio that is determined by the center. The problem has been with Andhras who had taken up all the water depriving this region of its share. When the new state of Telangana is formed the center will decide on how much water Telangana will get. That way Andhras will not be able to blatantly steal water from Telanganas under the pretext of a ‘unified state’.
Hyderabad is deep inside Telangana. A city or district will have to go with new state. It need not be shared. The way we will have no claims over Vijayawada or Vizag, you should have no claim on Hyderabad.
aditya:
ReplyDeleteI will put up the report when the concerned people will give me a go ahead. The report was compiled many people. It is not my report.
"The original presentation to SKC contained nearly 15 slides with statistics, figures, numbers, etc, on various topics. There was an accompanying report which is 100+ document with detailed statistics.
ReplyDeleteThe report was put together by more than 25 stalwarts from various fields making it one of the most comprehensive reports on Telangana of the last 25 years. "
Sujai, You wouldn't believe in the numbers that were given by the government, you wouldn't believe in the professors from the university (I think he is is not from andhra, and now you want us to believe the "stalwarts" from telangana and the numbers cranked up by them. How do you justify this without any bias.
-Gene
"The kind of accounting that Andhras produce is not accounting science, but called accounting art. Art is abstract and not bound by any numbers. Ask Satyam if you need further clarification".
ReplyDeleteSamuel:
I Asked satyam for clarification and seems he was guided by P V Narasimha Rao out of some Suitcases....
Anon
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteBased on the three slides you've presented, now a specific social community can have a claim for a region in telangana, or for that matter a part in each city they are in for that community. Say the SC's or brahmins or chowdaris etc (I do not know where you pulled that number 25000 from, I am sure they are shown in more than 25000 movies the way you've said regarding telangana folks). Then we'll have agraharams, Harijanwadas etc. Now, I am sure, given a chance, each community can come with reasons and numbers a galore for such an identity.
Hypothetically, if such a movement comes, I do not see why that movement will be any different from the telangana movement based on the your three slide. More so on the thrid one.
Sujai:
ReplyDelete"I am not sure if you realize that this blog does not invite you over. You come here on your own. You have the luxury not to visit my blog if you are not able to bear it"
Neither am I sure if you realize that I can express my opinion and you have the luxury to delete it if you can't bear it.
I have no problem with Telangana as long as there is no ethnic/regional persecution. The way the whole drum-beating by the TRS and Pro-Telangana cadre is pointing to that. They would not be content with a separate state, but the next phase is to "get rid" of the damn settlers.
ReplyDeleteGene:
ReplyDeleteBackwardness can be derived from statistics, but not discrimination. Discrimination cannot be proven by statistics alone. And backwardness is not always an outcome of discrimination. To understand discrimination, one has to look at many aspects, not statistics alone.
One could refuse to believe in any argument that tries to make a case for discrimination. Indians are extremely good at that. They refuse to believe that women are discriminated against, that lower castes are discriminated against. No amount of evidence or data will convince them otherwise.
The solution we seek for Telangana is not a statistical solution. We seek a political solution. Indians did not produce statistics to win independence from British. Nehru, Patel, Gandhi et al did not spend their time to produce copious amounts of statistical documents to prove their backwardness to a committee. The solution they sought was a political one.
It’s not that I don’t trust the data. I just don’t trust the interpretations. And usually most data that is being presented is coming with that interpretation. If Andhras were employed to make a case for Indians against British, they would have used the data available to actually say that India was far more developed than Britain in all respects and therefore does not deserve independence from Britain. Thankfully the solution to India’s independence was based in politics, not statistics.
Here on this blog, I discuss how data can be used to create lies and big lies (Telangana 50, Telangana XXXIII).
There are enough signs if one wants to observe. Andhras don’t want to read those signs. Recently, 9 out of 10 districts of Telangana were named backward while only 3 in Andhra region. There are many indications to suggest Telangana does not get its share of water. But Andhras do not want to see those evidences. They would rather go with data mining, data hiding and sophistry which seems to convenient for them.
Statistics can be used deviously. For example, there could be 12,000 schools in Telangana while only 11,000 in Andhra. An Andhra observer quickly points out that Telangana is actually doing very good. But on closer inspection, one may find that the teacher to student ration is nearly 3 times lower in Telangana, that the fund allocation is nearly ten times lower in Andhra, resulting in really bad education and facilities for students of Andhra. So unless, we see the picture completely, one may quickly conclude that Telangana is doing much better in schools.
The data that I see form detractors to Telangana Movement is fraught with such flaws, dishonesty, lies, misinterpretations and even data hiding where necessary. While collecting data for our report to SriKrishna Committee we started noticing that some of the data was being pulled off the webpages. Even using RTI was of no avail. When the authorities connive and collude against Telangana, how do we trust?
Pun Slinger:
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with Telangana as long as there is no ethnic/regional persecution. The way the whole drum-beating by the TRS and Pro-Telangana cadre is pointing to that. They would not be content with a separate state, but the next phase is to "get rid" of the damn settlers.
The animosity that Marathas have against Tamils or Biharis is far greater than the animosity that Telanganas have against Andhras and is easily measured by the number of violent incidents that have occurred. The animosity that Kannadas have against Tamils is far greater than what Telanganas have against Andhras.
And yet, many Tamils continue to live in Bangalore. They don’t migrate to Tamil Nadu. I don’t see a reason why Andhras will move out of Telangana. They will much safer than Tamils in Bangalore.
"And yet, many Tamils continue to live in Bangalore. They don’t migrate to Tamil Nadu. I don’t see a reason why Andhras will move out of Telangana. They will much safer than Tamils in Bangalore."
ReplyDeleteYou are a suave person,but your brethren don't necessarily share these thoughts.They are hellbent on evicting 'andhrolu' at any cost.They want to occupy their lands as evidenced in Sreekanth vs Kaka tussle.
"If Andhras were employed to make a case for Indians against British, they would have used the data available to actually say that India was far more developed than Britain in all respects and therefore does not deserve independence from Britain. "
ReplyDeleteHey if you dont know don't write.Dont incite passions.Do you know how many Andhraites have sacrificed their life and livelihood for freedom.
Anyways you are losing your patience and becoming more and more stupid by each day.Dear bloggers if what telangana people are claiming on the basis of discrimination is true,so is kashmiris view.
India's independence struggle was a non violent war against some foreigners who ruled us for centuries and looted us.
Now comparing Independence struggle to the telanagana cause is like disrespecting the country's spirit itself.Its like comparing fighting with your neighbour over a pitcher of extra water to the Fight between china and India over brahmaputra.
When you are over excited,take some BP tablets and you will be under control.If you were discriminated then how come you are able to write to the internet.
It is by now evident that this Telangana movement is organized by political goondas like KCR and his illogical family and some people like you who are hoping for some posts once telangana is formed.
you people donot realise that you have incited the kashmiri problem once again.They have taken this as the right excuse and are fighting yet again.Because they now know that if an age bar KCR can create troubles by bringing the central govt to its knees then they can also create troubles and snatch away kashmir.
If Telangana will be gieven away,the entire country will burn with seperatist movements.Because Roshaiah is useless you are making everyone dance to your tunes.You are vultures who are usurping away general public's tax money in the name of this silly movement.No matter what,Even if this bill is put in the parliament,it wont be approved because MIM very well knows that BJP will play with muslims lives after Telangana is formed and hence lallu,mulayam,DMK,Mamta,sharad pawar no one will vote for the bill.
If congress introduces this bill,it will meet the same fate as mahila bill.
Nextly,central govt will have to resign after talangana bill fails.The very same BJP may introduce yet another cut motion and BJP wont even utter a word after it forms the government at center,afterall their aim is to divide up states and form a govt in smaller states.
This is a political impasse and we have to deal this issue on fact basis and per records,facts and reality,the whole country now knows that telangana is not backward.
End of the chapter.Now close your blog and dont ever post again.No matter what you do,You wont be able to change the facts.
MyFather:
ReplyDelete… the whole country now knows that telangana is not backward.
The whole country knows the EXACT OPPOSITE: that NINE districts out of ten districts of Telangana are backward while only one district of Costal Andhra was identified as backward.
Here’s the news item:
http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/10/stories/2010081062330900.htm
Thirteen districts of Andhra Pradesh have been identified by the Centre for inclusion in the backward regions grant fund (BRGF) for the current financial year.
All the districts of Telangana, barring Hyderabad, and three Rayalaseema districts, except Kurnool, have been included in the backward districts' list by the Centre. Vizianagaram is the lone district from Coastal Andhra to figure in the list.
You will have to resort to Satyam like data manipulation to prove Telangana is NOT backward.
Dear Sujai,
ReplyDeleteThe people like "My Father" carry a very lowly and unworthy opinion about telangana, its people and culture. They assume that any vile politician can simply beguile the ignorant people of telangana. They underestimate the thought process of telangana people so grossly.
They are so pretentious and feel limit less self importance that they do not care to be least objective.
I would be very little exaggerated if I say that most andhra have this kind of opinion but do not see that themselves. The andhra politicians have achieved an almost perfect synchronization among them
@Sujai:
ReplyDeleteConcise and to the point. Good job! Keep more coming.
on a separate note, what is missing from Seema Andhra people is "intellectual honesty", to confront the facts. If they see 10 good points for Telangana and 3 against. They will explain about the 3 issues with Telangana movement in great detail. However, they will be totally blind to the 10 good points on Telangana. You can explain for as long as you want - they will ignore, they will find faults in the communication, they will disagree on the facts but never recognize the points.
I was going through the Indian army locations throughout India. You will notice no major infantry from Seema Andhra. For all their patriotism they project - they seem to be very light on participation in committing people for the Indian armed forces.
Finally, Madras and now the Hyderabad consulate has the highest fraud rate in the entire world because of our Seema Andhra Brethren. Not everyone is problematic but in general their is something wrong with the value system.
with IPO's Hyderabad has a bad name for disappearing companies after quickly making public issues.
You can check Superbrands from India for all their projections not a single national level Superbrand is from Andhra. Superbrand is for winning appreciation of people by serving properly. So much for their projection.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou very well know that the stat about 25000 movies showing discrimination of telangana is bogus.
I always thought that movies are made with a primary aim of making money (by appealing to as wide an audience as possible, and making everyone watch the same movie again and again). Or have things changed lately?
Now what discrimination do we find in movies like Pandava Vanavasam/Nartanasala/Dasara Bullodu/Maro Charitra/Sabkarabharanam/Aakali Rajyam/Jagadeka Veerudu Atiloka Sundari/Magadheera - to name a few?
Going by the oft repeated answer you give to many who tell you not to voice your opinions/shut your blog etc - 'You don't have to read my blog'; One can use the same argument to say 'people who don't agree with a movie have the option of not watching it, and saving their ticket money- those who didn't know and watched the movie once,can stop going again, tell their family/friends not to watch it'
It would be interesting to also see region-wise earnings of the movies that find a place in your 'telangana discrimination' list.
If you really believe in what you say, can you please provide us such a list?
-movieguy
@movieguy
ReplyDeleteSee the news - the outstanding standards of Tollywood. Drugs, Pubs, Prostitution. It is stupid to even expect anything normal from Tollywood.
Maybe we need statistics on how many Tollywood actresses started as prostitutes and heroes as drug addicts.
What can you expect from such characterless anti-socials? The best director from Tollywood - Ram Gopal Verma became Chief Publicist for Dawood and ISI. See the messag from his movies. Always glamourising Gangsters who work against India.
I am curious, why does AR Rahman not do any Telugu movies now. Stars from AP get more than Bollywood. Why does he prefer to get paid less in Mumbai than work in Tollywood.
Any answers - movieguy?
This is on projecting Telangana people as bad guys, drunkards, foolish. We have to see this in context - Hyderabad state people i.e. Telanganites have an ethos of laughing at themselves.
ReplyDeleteMost humor is self-critical or the best one from Hyderabad / Telangana. It is cultural and our ethos.
When about a decade back, I saw humor about Telangana vis-a-vis characterization of Telanganites. I was honestly amused. it also established a personal connection - the same way like finding Amresh Puri in Hollywood movies (Indiana Jones).
Laughing at ourselves is our ethos, an integral part of our Telangana/ hyderabad culture. However, when people from Seema Andhra watch it - they don't share the same ethos. See all the comedians in Tollywood. They are hit, they are abused, people are cruel to them and it is OK. Sadly, it evokes laughter - I personally cannot watch these comedians being inhumanly treated and laugh. I am not Taliban. Tollywood humor is like that. It is crass and demeaning to other people.
However, very quickly it led to a degrading view from Seema Andhra people about Telanganites (who don't understand that the ultimate sign of self-confidence is to laugh at yourself and your weaknesses). My close friend had the audacity to point these negative roles played about Telangana out continously over the last 5 years. Then I later realised, that these comedy roles played in movies characterising Telangana / Hyderabad people in a negative way to an audience that does not shared the same ethos is degrading to Hyderabad / Telangana people.
When these people from Seema Andhra see the humor, they think Telangana people will be OK with being teased / abused and slapped. That does not work for Hyderabad / Telangana people. Because another other ethos or core element of Telangana is "fairness".
So today, I object to the characterization and honestly think that the producer, director, lyricist and finaciers of such movies should spend some time in a 'C' class Jail. Only then people will avoid such anti-national regionalist discrimination.
In the US, a black person can crack negro jokes. But a white person will land in trouble for doing that. It is no secret that the Since Seema-andhra people dominate Tollywood. Let them joke at themselves and the negative traits their people.
@True-Hyderabadi,
ReplyDeleteIn your first response, you entirely deviate from the topic of 'Discrimination of Telanganites', and start attacking all Telugu movies - That is an entirely different topic, completely unrelated to Telangana - And here again, the standard answer is, 'Is anyone asking you to buy tickets and watch those movies? You have hindi/english movies to choose from, you can go watch plays, or sit at home and watch tv, or do whatever else you wish to get entertained.'
Regarding your second post - please provide a list of the 25000 or some other number of movies which you find discriminating. We can also similarly find seema faction movies where the entire seema region people are depicted as violent,killing themselves,always making bombs, and their accent is mocked at. We can also find movies where East Godavari accent is mocked at and the comedians are shown as idiots/buffoons as Sujai describes(remember LB sreeram/Sunil?)
The real point came about in the middle of your post 'the industry os dominated by people from Andhra'
That's the real point isn't it? It's all about power?
Going by that logic, we can generalize other trades as well. Don't you find most jewellery shop owners/pawn-brokers are Marwaris? Most stock-brokers are Gujaratis?
Even in the context of Telugu movie-industry, there is an element of history-It was located in Madras till late 80s/early 90s. And afterwards they moved lock-stock-and-barrel to Hyderabad. Let's see recent statistics whether there is more inclusion of Telanganites in the industry. Let's look at real statistics instead of 'perceptions'
-movieguy
Don't hypothesize numbers if you don't know.How did you come up with 25000,by the way that was a stroke of genius, you are a smart guy in Telangana so you must have had some insider's information. 50 years * 200 movies per year is still 10,000.You must have lose your cognizance watching and policing all these movies since advent of time.Kudos to you on that.Wow!I'm quivering at the very thought of poring thru all these movies to find out the references to Telangana. Hey you've missed out atleast 3 movies - Maa Bhoomi,Samakka-Saralamma and Veera Telangana.....I wish you police the newspapers and new channels in your future project with your rich cinematice experience. Maybe you are using your cinematic skill a tad more in your blog.........
ReplyDelete"Telanganites have an ethos of laughing at themselves."
ReplyDeleteMost of them also have the ethos of crying at others too.Laughter and crying being the essence of life.
Tollywoodvictim:
ReplyDeleteYou are right.
I was wrong in stating that more than 25000 movies have been made. I made a mistake of taking that number from another article that I read somewhere. I should have verified those numbers.
According to:
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Telugu_films
Nearly 11,567 movies have been made so far.
I stand corrected.
@Sujai,
ReplyDeleteYou still don't want to admit - You've picked the wrong example in quoting movie-numbers and crying discrimination ?
Of the 10,000 movies, tell me how many of them are really 'discriminating' telangana region/people alone (and there are '0' movies which can be equally termed 'discriminating' people from other regions of AP state) ?
Of those 'discriminating' movies, how many were well-received in which distribution areas (nizam/ceded/guntur/nellore/krishna/godavari/vizag) ?
Being an entrepreneur yourself, tell us what is the primary (not the 'only') motive of a movie-producer ? Making money, or not ?
If a producer is dumb enough to make a movie showing discrimination, wouldn't his 'nizam area' collections tell him to correct his ways in the next movies ?
-movieguy
movieguy:
ReplyDeleteYou still don't want to admit - You've picked the wrong example in quoting movie-numbers and crying discrimination ?
My example is not wrong. The numbers could be wrong. Instead of 25,000 movies, it is now 10,000 movies. But the message is still the same. I still maintain that movies contribute to overall discrimination that is happening in Andhra Pradesh towards Telangana people.
Being an entrepreneur yourself, tell us what is the primary (not the 'only') motive of a movie-producer ? Making money, or not ?
That’s a simplistic way of looking at complex things. We can easily say that the motive of a publisher is only to make money, yet many written words have created revolutions, bringing great changes for good or worse, and for toppling governments. Many publishers have been prosecuted for what they have published. If the motive was simply to make money, why would the publisher risk being prosecuted?
The message I am trying to convey is that you are making things too simple when they are not so simple.
If a producer is dumb enough to make a movie showing discrimination, wouldn't his 'nizam area' collections tell him to correct his ways in the next movies ?
It’s not being dumb. Take a look at the history of Hollywood and associated themes on negative portrayals of blacks and other ethnic groups. One can feed into one’s prejudices and still make money. Even the group which is being targeted may not realize it is being targeted and happily watch the movies.
When a lower caste person is called ‘chamar’, he does not realize it is an insult because he is used to being called that all his life. A lower class person may not know he is being discriminated against unless he is enlightened. For many centuries, our lower castes thought that it was their fate to carry upper caste shit on their head. Only very recently, they have started to assert themselves.
Even now, many Telangana people are ashamed to speak Telangana in front of others, and hide their accent when heard in public forums. In families, Telangana people ridicule their own folk who speak Telangana and try to correct them. Some Telangana families grew up imitating their Andhra neighbors completely abandoning their identity. They hate being associated with other Telanganas. They take pride in their language which is now an ‘improved’ version.
The negative portrayal of Telanganas has created a low opinion of Telanganas amongst their own people. It’s like dark colored person feeling inferior and not feeling anything wrong with the negative portrayal in movies. They try their best to get rid of that dark color instead of fighting the negative portrayal.
But things are changing now. Telanganas are no longer ready to cow down and change their accents. They proudly speak it and nowadays it is even being considered cool amongst the new generations. The time has come for Telangana to assert itself. But it is a long journey to enlighten your own people, the way it was a long journey to tell Indians they can rule themselves, or to tell our lower caste they can enter a temple with pride. It takes time. But it is a one way street. Once the idea is inseminated, it is a powerful one. Nothing can stop it. And that’s what we are witnessing now in Telangana.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteIf I understand you right:
You say a separate 'Telangana identity' was submerged in the unified entity called 'Andhra Pradesh'. Now you want a separate administrative region where you want this identity to flourish again.
The leaders of the 50's (including the 70% of Telangana MLAs who voted for a unified state as well as the leaders from Seema-Andhra regions) thought all these identities could coexist harmoniously, while retaining the common 'Telugu identity'. And now you say this vision of theirs could not be fulfilled 60 years down the line. So let's split and maintain our distinct identities.
I can understand this fully.
What I don't understand is the unnecessary hatred for the other region's people/culture (as a whole) that's being promoted by proponents of Telangana.
In the context of movies: Have you raised the same question (of preserving the cultural identity of Telangana) to prominent film-industry persons from Telangana, what was their response ?
When issues of 'development'/'underdevelopment'
are discussed, What I see missing is the accountability of politicians - from both(or shall I say 3) regions. Are the Telangana politicians not escaping any debate on their past underperformance when they promote the separate Telangana cause ?
Couldn't the same politicians/film-personalities/industry people have worked better in the context of 'Andhra Pradesh' while fulfilling their respective region's aspirations/demands/cultural identities ?
-movieguy
movieguy:
ReplyDeleteThe leaders of the 50's (including the 70% of Telangana MLAs who voted for a unified state as well as the leaders from Seema-Andhra regions) thought all these identities could coexist harmoniously, while retaining the common 'Telugu identity'.
We have not been able to find the source for this alleged event where 70% of Telangana MLAS voted for a unified state. Some of the Telangana activists have even searched the newspapers of 1950s but could not find any documentary evidence for this. State Assembly has no record of it. If you have any source for this please do furnish this. Actually many Telangana activists are looking forward to finding the source.
Till such evidence is produced, we Telanganas will continue to believe that this is just part of false propaganda from Andhra ministers and leaders. There have been many such and we had to painstakingly deconstruct those.
What I don't understand is the unnecessary hatred for the other region's people/culture (as a whole) that's being promoted by proponents of Telangana.
Hatred is not necessary. There need not be any hatred. I would have liked it if we had handled this issue maturely. Unfortunately, we, the people of Telangana, are not being given such an option. If we had gone ahead with fulfilling what was said on Dec 9th by P Chidambaram, I think the relations would have been convivial between the two regions. There are many states which got bifurcated without much animosity and hatred. Such regions are now quite friendly on almost all terms as two new states. Such a thing could have happened in our state too. Unfortunately, Seemandhra leaders egged on by its people (or if it reverse, we don’t know) have ensured Telangana was not formed, leading to Dec 23rd statement which was a clear case of betrayal by the central government.
In such a scenario, the people of Telangana know very clearly who were responsible for non-formation of Telangana. Unfortunately the hatred is growing. Even now it’s not too late. If Seemandhras agree we will get Telangana right away and we can be two happy neighbors sharing many common things.
In the context of movies: Have you raised the same question (of preserving the cultural identity of Telangana) to prominent film-industry persons from Telangana, what was their response ?
If you understand how Telugu movie industry works, I don’t think you would have asked that question.
[Continued…]
movieguy:
ReplyDeleteWhen issues of 'development'/'underdevelopment' are discussed, What I see missing is the accountability of politicians - from both(or shall I say 3) regions. Are the Telangana politicians not escaping any debate on their past underperformance when they promote the separate Telangana cause?
Looks like you are new to the discussion here on this blog. More than 50 articles have been published with many commenters asking the same question.
I will make the effort to answer this without going into much detail.
Indian leaders were elected and were in office under British Administration before 1947. Nehru et al occupied prominent positions in a government elected by the people. Each province was under the administration of Indians. And yet, Indians did not think they were free. That’s because the ultimate power was still denied to them. They were not allowed to take certain decisions which curtailed their freedom.
The same way, the majority of Seemandhra curtailed almost every resolution that could have helped restore confidence of Telangana people. For example, time and again GO 610 was rejected by the majority of Seemandhra politicians. In the ideal case scenario, even if all Telangana leaders, irrespective of their party allegiances voted with single voice, they would still lose out because the majority is still with Seemandhra politicians.
That’s how a State Assembly works, unfortunately. Realizing this, the architects of Indian Constitution have introduced Article 3 with explicit instructions to pass such bifurcations in the Parliament, not in the State Assembly. Funnily, the case used to push this Article 3 in the present form was that of Andhra bifurcating from Madras State.
"We have not been able to find the source for this alleged event where 70% of Telangana MLAS voted for a unified state. Some of the Telangana activists have even searched the newspapers of 1950s but could not find any documentary evidence for this. State Assembly has no record of it. If you have any source for this please do furnish this. Actually many Telangana activists are looking forward to finding the source. "
ReplyDeletePlease refer to Indian Express dated 5th December 1955.You've left the burden of finding proof on Telangana activists and you believe them.
It is ludicrous to say you didnt find any proof to the fact that 70% of Hyderabad MLAs voted on a resolution to support Visalandhra.
The State of AP was formed with the provisions of Art 3.IF you need proof you can visit Deccan Chronicle office ,Parliament library or the State Archives located in Tarnaka to pore over the documents.In this super age finding a legal document should not be a problem.You can also refer to the book "Emergence of Andhra Pradesh" by Narayana Rao(The book was a PHD thesis that was submitted to University of Mysore, a non-Seemandhra University) and you cannot dismiss that as you do with other proofs.
BurdenofProof:
ReplyDeleteI will let Dileep of Telangana answer this. From what I understand:
There was no resolution that was passed in Hyderabad Assembly, unlike in Andhra State assembly where two resolutions were passed in support of Vishalandhra following the voting. According to what I understand, only a debate happened in Hyderabad Assembly which constituted members from Telugu, Kannada and Marathi regions. Kannada and Marathi regions had already decided on going with their own states (of Karnataka and Maharashtra).
It could be that my understanding is wrong. It could have happened that Telangana leaders were in fact keen on joining Vishalandhra. This topic is still an issue of mere technicality- whether a resolutions was passed or a just a debate happened.
Either way, it doesn’t change much for the present case of Telangana. If indeed our MLAs voted and passed a resolution to join Andhra State to form Andhra Pradesh, they did join Andhra Pradesh with Gentlemen’s Agreement in place. It was a union made with certain agreements. If Andhra Pradesh did not live up to those promises, Telangana could now walk out of that union that is not working. And Indian Constitution does make provisions to bifurcate states realizing very well that things could go wrong between regions within a state.
Can someone post data on what percent of the votes polled in the recent by-elections went to the TRS.
ReplyDeleteDear "Burdenofproof"
ReplyDeleteThanks for starting a healthy debate. The "resolution" that many united AP friends talk about has never happened. Hyderabad state assembly only "discussed" about unification. On the contrary, the Andhra assembly passed a unanimous resolution in favor of merger.
The most important reference about this "resolution" is there in the book that you've quoted viz -
"Emergence of Andhra Pradesh" by KV Narayana Rao.
Thanks,