Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Telangana 35: Intensify the agitation

There are many opponents to Telangana Movement. Primary opponents are politicians and people of Andhra, Rayalaseema in Andhra Pradesh. Opponents outside Andhra Pradesh include West Bengal and Maharashtra governments who fear their states will be broken up if Telangana is given. Then there are many people in India who foolishly believe that carving up new states is tantamount to breaking up the nation. Then there are some who have apprehensions that Muslims will dominate in a state, that Maoists will rule, or that it will be a national security problem.

The opponents of separate Telangana are intensifying their campaign to demonize Telangana Movement. First, they rubbished Telangana Movement as a pet project of KCR who is doing this only for personal gains. They harangued Telanganas to see through KCR's villainy and urged us not to follow him. When all parties of Telangana started to join hands to support Telangana cause, it was clear that KCR/TRS is not the only party that supports Telangana. They changed their tactics. Next, they started a mass hysteria campaign to inculcate fear amongst settlers in Hyderabad saying that Telanganas will either kick them out or kill them. They equated Telanganas with Kashmiri terrorists and militants and urged rest of India to see how dangerous Telanganas have become. When many Telangana leaders tried to calm the fears of settlers saying nobody is going to harm them, they changed their tactics once again. After the student Garjana of Jan 3 in Osmania University, where many black-shawl clad singers sang Telangana songs, the opponents characterized it as a Naxal movement. They describe the entire region as Naxalana.

People outside Telangana do not take pains to understand that it was Naxals who embraced many of Telangana symbols in their fight and not the other way around. Telangana and its symbols existed even before Naxalism came into this region.

Many visitors to India may look at our swastikas on temples and food products and think that Hindus are all Nazis. Though it is a wrong characterization it could happen. Most people do not take time to understand how these symbols originate. Many non-Telanganas equate a black-shawl draped singer to a Naxalite because of the few movie clips they have seen. It is up to people of Telangana to fight this characterization and tell the world that it is a genuine people movement. Just because Naxals have endorsed Telangana cause, it will not become a Naxal Movement. Right now, BJP overwhelmingly endorses Telangana state, does that make our cause a Hindutva Movement? Tomorrow if MIM endorses Telangana, will it become an Islamic Movement?

In my previous article, 32: Don’t give in. Don’t give up., I urged people of Telangana, and in particular, TS-JAC, to intensify the agitation. Here I would like to suggest few ways of bringing more people into the fold.

1. Longest hand holding in India:

Organize a huge hand holding event where people from all over Telangana will participate to connect various towns and cities. Create India Record or if possible World Record. It will draw attention of media countrywide and it can be used to showcase our massive support of Telangana.

2. Mahila Garjana

Recently, when you had organized student Garjana, Andhras and Central Government said it was supported by Naxalites. Now, organize a Garjana for women of Telangana. Let the world know that even women of Telangana support our cause.

3. Largest people singing one song

Set India record or World record for largest gathering of people singing one song. Choose one Telangana song and popularize it through distributing CDs, cassettes, pamphlets, and play it in villages and towns on autos and rickshaws so that everyone has listened to it. Use media for help. Set the gathering in a town of Telangana (not Hyderabad).

4. Use national media to spread the message

Dispel the myths. Create spokesmen for Telangana cause who can articulate its position to the world. Let the world understand that it is a genuine people’s movement, a very old movement, and that it is a movement based in all the right reasons.

130 comments:

  1. Sujai,

    Telangana is also a dalit movement, although it is sidelined.

    Dalit leaders on both sides are staunchly in support of Telangana.

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  2. although it is sidelined.

    Sidelined in the news.

    Which shouldn't be. Dalits constitute a large section of the population.

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  3. Harsha kumar is not in support of Telangana he is in support of Seperate Andhra!

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  4. Anonymous,

    Jai Telangana == Jai Andhra

    Separate Andhra is perfect for us!

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  5. Telangana Movement is a case of class struggle.

    I would have liked it if we went about toppling many of our masters - not just Andhras. It would have been nice if this movement involved empowerment of lower castes and the downtrodden, the emancipation of women, and better representation of Muslims.

    I would have like it if it had involved land reforms as well.

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  6. Sujai,

    Those are in a different problem domain and will be addressed in due time. Telangana has always sprung up leaders to fight on various fronts, but Govt has been consistently massacring them. I'm sure civil rights will be a few hundred times better in our own state, which is a good start.

    What separate Telangana gives us is a feedback loop , which is critically important in organizational structure.

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  7. Sujai,

    Your latest comments widget seems to be dysfunctional. I haven't seen latest comments on your front page for a few days now.

    Not sure if anyone else is experiencing the problem.

    Best,
    Idler.

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  8. Idler:
    Don't know how to correct it. Will try.

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  9. Sujai

    I support your agitation ideas.

    When Gandhiji started Salt satyagraha British did not cared and never thought that it is going to give such a publicity in World media. It started with 78 satyagrahis and joined by hundreds of people and when it concluded at Dandi there were about 100,000 people.
    Come up with some variety Telangana related issue and do the peaceful march/agitation

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  10. Telangana is in cold storage now and its freezing.

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  11. All,

    Please read this - http://bit.ly/91BIk0

    We will not come across a better example of Non-cooperative movement in recent times than this. People of Gorkhaland refuse to pay electric bills demanding separate state for almost 21 months now.

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  12. Jai Telangana

    good idea. Get ready for power cuts. Industries in Hyderabad will vanish in thin air next moment.

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  13. wonderful ideas !

    speaking of records, actually I had this idea though it may sound funny ...hanamkonda public gardens lo one day mottam sakinala program petti record create chesthe bagundedhi ... would have been a gud idea to catch national media attention

    protests are going on well in all districts including village level ... but the media has almost stopped covering the events

    along with the kind of activities mentioned here, we need to use the most powerful thing ... non-cooperation if the issue continues to be in cold-storage and our politicians do nothing but speak.

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  14. @Anonymous January 13, 2010 7:51 PM

    " good idea. Get ready for power cuts. Industries in Hyderabad will vanish in thin air next moment. "

    Did life stop in Gorkhaland ??? Try and learn what exactly 'NON-COOPERATION' means and then get back to posting comments. Until then refrain from posting non-sensical threats (if u think thats what there)

    Btw that link wasnt meant for people like u but for all telanganaites

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  15. The Educated elite of Telangana should urge NATIONAL MEDIA to cover the peaceful protests in the Telangana region. Atleast 2/3 national media channels should bring out a 2-hr prime-time edition/report solely on the Telangana protests and the problems in the region.

    The local media is in hands of andhra/seema politicians as we've seen in the Reliance case.

    The local 'discussion groups' on Telangana vs. Smaikyandhra are so poorly debated or organized.

    Sujai and others... What can we do to bring this issue to the attention of National media? Any ideas? Let there be 1000 blogs on this.. but, it will still not reach the majority of Indians.

    We need to escalate this to a national level.

    The kind of articles we see in the English news papers are pathetic. The national journalists have become armchair-writers... local journalists have become sensationalists.

    The same videos of burning thermocol pieces in some film set are repeatedly being shown on local media... It is creating a mass hysteria ... Central govt. will find this dirty game pretty costly in the future...

    I hope good sense prevails and the media takes on its responsibility of being the voice of the oppressed.

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  16. Why do you need records to get Media attention..

    Now that you have so much of unity with students why not get them all together and finish some of pending works in villages..

    Take Satyagraha like reconstructing all the closed tanks.. this way you would get gross roots attention..

    Why not bring new methodologies for struggle instead of wastages lets get constructive things done..

    my 2cents..
    pratap

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  17. Traveller,

    I completely agree with your view on the Media. While the local media is rhetoric, national media has been publishing tripe by journalists who do not know the situation at the ground level. The national media even if it does show something on Telangana its constricted to what happens in Hyderabad. We should drag the national media to districts also where the movement is much bigger. May be something like 1 lakh people doing peaceful protest in each district head quarter simultaneously. The protest should be unique to catch the eyes of everyone. In fact people are practicing so many innovative protests like, people from various occupations doing their work on the roads,students and teachers conducting their classes on the roads. We need to consolidate the protests that are going on in villages and towns. we need to do the same activity simultaneously all over Telangana to gather greater mass.

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  18. On a side note:

    So what is the big deal if the movie 'Adurs' doesn't run in Telangana? Will people die? Will the world come to a halt? Will one brother start killing the other brother? Will there be a famine or a flood? Will the earth shatter into pieces or clouds start pouring acid rains?

    Do the local channels have any staff with real brains?

    Do people of Hyderabad have ANY idea what a civil disobedience against capitalists (of Film industry) entail?

    Is it the 'Constitutional Right' of Jr. NTR to make crores at the expense of Telangana, when he gives a hoot of telangana people are starving or commiting suicides?

    Do the Seema/Andhra politicians have no policy matters to discuss except STRIVE SO HARD for the success of a damn 2 hr movie?

    OR..... Is this just one more episode of the 'lets fill the news wtih Anti-Telangana' agenda?

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  19. national media? like slimes (times) of india?

    Unless there are pictures of scantily clad women, they would not be interested.

    Assume you catch the attention of national media and they show a 2 hour documentary. People in rest of India would watch (those who are interested) and go on with their lives. national media can't afford to be sympathetic to Telangana cause (assuming you find reporters who will lend their ears), coz after they show the documentary, their research wing will show that the network viewership went down and people have switched channels to watch "kyon ki saas bahu.." or "choli ke peecha..." or some movie by a 3-ft khan.

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  20. Rayalaseema RamiReddy ChowdharyJanuary 13, 2010 10:56 PM

    Times of India would be interested if ...

    we get models to wear lingerie embroidered Jai Telangana .. Anushka, Mumaith Khan, Simram, Priyanka, etc ..

    ToI will run a photo feature or 2010 Jai Telangana Calender girls ..

    It may cost a bit for the models. I'm not sure what their hourly billing rate is.

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  21. The strongest statement people of Telangana can make is ban all telugu films. It is controlled by Andhras anyways.

    Work with distributors and cinema hall owners to release hindi films, tamil with dubbing, malayalam (people like em for various reasons), foreign films with telangana dubbing - french, spanish, heck there is a whole world of films out there!

    Stop watching the pro-andhra channels.

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  22. Rukh the theen foot KhanJanuary 13, 2010 11:03 PM

    If Adurs is not playing in Telangana its only becoz the piglet masquerading as an actor is not slapping his thigh hard enough. He needs to slap it until it turns blue and gangrene sets in.

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  23. // Telangana is in cold storage now and its freezing //

    Dear Anonymous(s): You have summarized current blog topic and above comments in one line, please keep giving or sending us reminder or wake up calls so that we continue with same spirit and momentum…thanks again brother for the inspirational words.

    Coming to the actual topic of awareness or to bring attention at national level.

    KEY TO MAKE OR BRING ATTENTION AT NATIONAL LEVEL IS WITH THE TELANGANA CONGRESS MLA’s all they have to do is “TRUE/GENUINE RESIGNATIONS”, which automatically brings constitutional crisis, what better or sensational news any national/local channel is required other than a constitutional crisis !!!

    First let go (am using very nice words, really am suppressing the angry outburst) Congress from JAC, isolate them, they are taking shelter or vacation under JAC in disguise of sacrifices.

    Isolate them mount pressure from all corners so that Congress MLA’s in turn puts pressure on speaker or their remote control in Delhi to accept or approve resignations!!! Rest of the things (in the direction of Telangana formation) will follow in line…

    No excuses….I am saying ASAP…i.e TOMORROW!!!

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  24. whats the cost of a postcard in India now?

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  25. Anand,

    I think JAC has issued a deadline of 28th to MLAs and ministers.

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  26. Yesterday, I came across an article by Dr. JP titled: "Nineteenth Century politics over Telangana"

    It was published on Dec 12th. That title reminded me of something I commented in this blog sometime back. I checked back and I made this comment on 11th Dec.

    We wrote similar things almost at same time! Wow, I do think like great leaders :P

    Note: The intent of this post is to let you know Dr. JP's views. I am not going to respond to any personal attacks.

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  27. @ Manohar,

    Sorry to disappoint you. I have nothing to comment on:

    Shree Shree elitist-Slave_of_Capitalists-NonSense JP Narayan!


    And... that was not a personal attack on him... it was rating a politician for who he is.

    JP Narayan is the most elitist escapist I've seen in India. He can talk for 3 hrs with no relevance to the real issue at hand... and the stupid media gives him more attention than he intellectually/politically deserves.

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  28. This self-professed intellectual guy called JP is in my opinion a greater threat to telangana movement than CBN + Chiru + etc put together. He is such a douchebag and a pretender to say the least....how cleverly does he highlight the splendor of andhra region and thereby concludes that nobody would lose more than Telangana if a state is formed.

    Oh... my hatred has grown in even greater proportions towards that guy (JP) now after reading that article.

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  29. What telanganites are fighting for?

    Development?

    This can be achived by visionary leaders of Telangana who boasts of great leaders and history.

    Education?

    This can be achived too.

    Self respect?

    All Andhra ,South Indians are deprived of self respect by North what about that? and selfrespect cannot be a reason for seperate state i can explain why in a long commnent on this.

    Water

    This issue cannot be reason for seperate state it would make things much worse if seperated, its like drinking acid when suffering with acidity.

    all the reasons shown by telanganites for above are hollow.

    Dont blame Andhra for above(this one is the biggest black hole for Telaganites on reasoning. Most get sucked in this only few can come out.)

    The fundamental rule of the game is we are a democracy and we cannot take up violence.

    Its intresting to see Telanganites on the edges of this rule but i have to accept that Telanganites for most part did not break the rule of the game.

    Telanganites must come up with some kind of deal on Hyderabad if they REALLY want a seperate state untill then we have to go around this false reasons, hollow arguments, skewed stats of Sujai.

    There is no way out because it violates fundamental rules of the game.

    What happens if one violates fundamental rule of game we all know, it would become much worse.

    When there are no rules of game then this issue is resolved on battle grounds by kings but we are having rules NOW we cannot go back.

    I dont see Telanganites making any progress on how to struck a deal on Hyderabad with Andhra , Rayalaseema.

    Unfortunately Telanganites are going in reverse direction on comming up with a solution on Hyderabad. Instead of making up a deal they are now bussy helping Andhra and Rayalaseema people crystalize their belief that Telangana people are Taking away their capital this is a very negative sign for seperate Telangana.

    As long as the fundamental rule of the game in place. I do not think telanganites are going to see any light if they dont come up with a solution on Hyderabad.

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  30. His sacrifice has changed the whole political map of India and led to the creation of states on linguistic basis.
    Creation of Andhra state was already settled by the Central Government as well as Madras Government in December 1950 and accepted by responsible Andhra leaders.

    What was Potti fasting for then? Madras City!!

    Potti led to creation of linguistic states states???? Really!

    1905, Curzan divided Bengal into two religious areas. INC opposed Curzans division on grouds of linguistic homogeneity.

    1911, Assam and Bihar were carved out on linguistic basis.

    1917, AICC proposed to carve out Telugu speaking state from Madras presidency. (which would be Andhra)

    Home Rule movement emphasized lingusitic units. Congress in 1920 accepted in principle, creation of linguistic states.



    When states were created on linguistic basis, Andhra and Telangana areas had to merge "by default".
    No. Only if people on both sides fully intend to do so. SRC was opposed to it. Nehru was opposed to it. Most importantly, people of Telangana were opposed to it. That is the merger was not unconditional. Let me stress on it again -- the merger was not unconditional . The people of Telangana were opposed to it, but Andhra forced Central Govt to merge, so, a merger was put together with CONDITIONS. With CONDITIONS and SAFEGUARDS in place coz people of Telangana didn't like it. Get it?

    People in Marathi and Kanada speaking districts, WANTED to merge. It was unconditional.

    If states had to merge by default, then why didn't all the Hindi speaking states merge into one?

    sole basis for state formation was language.
    Andhra didn't have a capital. They were operating out of tents in Kurnool. Pigs keep eating the files. There was a budget for keeping pigs in check. Andhra had no/low revenue. Telangana state had surplus capital. Andhra leaders had access to all national Congress, they were with British for 150 years. They pushed central govt to forcibly merge.

    The Telangana area was lagging behind initially but the gap has now reduced dramatically.
    Straw man argument. Logical fallacies are beyond your mental faculties.

    Seema accent is ridiculed, as also Telangana, Srikakulam etc.
    I have addressed this in replies to Madhav.

    We are all united by our 'Telugudanam'.
    Pray do explain. I have a hard time figuring out what this telugudanam is. I can say we are all united by Hipkaki or JuhJah, but both your claim and my claim would be totally meaningless.

    What is happening today is a Twentieth century 'movement' for 21st century problems.
    What is a 20th century movement? What is a 21st century problem? How do we differentiate movements in different centuries? And how do we differentiate problems in 21st century. Do state some properties of each. We need differential markers to accurately identify.

    Separation will only take the city and state back by 20 years.
    What do you mean by back?

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  31. The reply above is to Mahohar's comment on another post, reproduced below:


    Half truths peppered with anecdotes, a lot of spin and hey, you got a decent case.

    True, Potti Sriramulu fought on behalf of the people of Andhra. But he is the most under appreciated of independence fighters. His sacrifice has changed the whole political map of India and led to the creation of states on linguistic basis.

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2003/03/30/stories/2003033000040300.htm

    It is laughable that you paint the Andhra politicians of that time as cunning and opportunistic whereas the politicians of Telangana region as naive. When states were created on linguistic basis, Andhra and Telangana areas had to merge "by default". Just like Kannada speaking areas of erstwhile Hyderabad district became part of Karnataka "by default" and Marathi speaking areas became Maharashtra "by default". It is also true that there were some apprehensions with Telangana people, but the leaders (including leaders of Telangana) accepted for a merger. Indeed, there were cultural differences after hundreds of years of Nizam rule, but you forget that the sole basis for state formation was language.

    The Telangana area was lagging behind initially but the gap has now reduced dramatically. Some districts in Telangana area surpass Andhra and Rayalaseema areas in any number of development indicators. Karimnagar, Medak, Hyd, RangaReddy are consistantly in top 10 in development. And while progress has not touched Mehbub Nagar, it is equally true for Srikakulam and Ananthapur districts.

    You say Telangana language is ridiculed in movies. But our movie industry is not exactly epitome of great taste (with a few exceptions). It is controlled by individuals from select caste and select districts in Andhra area. Seema accent is ridiculed, as also Telangana, Srikakulam etc. Seema people are always factionists, Brahmins are shown in poor light and I can go on.

    We have come so far and now it is all the more difficult to separate. 60 years made a lot of difference and today we share more things in common compared to few differences which we can mend. We are all united by our 'Telugudanam'. Division will not solve any problems you mentioned.

    What is happening today is a Twentieth century 'movement' for 21st century problems. It is Telangana for politicians but not for people. People from all over Andhra came to Hyderabad and participated in its development. Separation will only take the city and state back by 20 years. We the people reject this decision taken against the will of people of AP by spineless and opportunistic congress government.

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  32. @ Anonymous:

    Telanganaites are striving for their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS:

    JUSTICE, social, economic and political;

    LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;

    EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;

    which they have been deprived of... so far... in the areas of JOBS, WATER, EDUCATION (Institutions) and SELF-RESPECT.

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  33. Dr. JPN needs to be converted to compost.

    Thats would be optimal utilization, where he can serve India best!

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  34. These are new one ?

    JUSTICE, social, economic and political;

    LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;

    EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;


    So you are saying Telangana people dont have LIBERTY of Thought, expression, belief, faith and worship?

    It looks like Telangana people are suppressing LIBERTY of Thought, expression, belief, faith and worship of Andhra people in Hyderabad.

    JUSTICE, social, economic and political;

    We need to reform JUSTICE system. I dont think seperate state will do.


    EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;

    This i think has some weight.


    Just be objective and faithful to one's conscience.

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  35. Anonymous @ 1:51

    JUSTICE, social, economic and political
    Supreme Court upheld Mulki rules. The exploitative thugs from Andhra went and got those overruled.

    Justice is delivered by Court. And Andhra people don't respect Justice.

    LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship
    LOL! There is no liberty of life, forget about the loftier goals. Anybody who questions is branded a naxal (the more fashionable term now is maoist) and his civil liberties taken away, and done with in fake encounters!

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  36. Kesineni Bharadwaj KhanJanuary 14, 2010 2:08 AM

    Shankar,

    These barbarians won't understand the significance of those words. Its beyond their imagination and understanding.

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  37. "thugs from Andhra"

    Idler you are sucked in black hole. If you want Telangana you have to come out of black hole and see what is happening around and deal with it. It feels healthy to see human being as human and deal with it.

    Nothing will bring seperate Telangana other than an agreement on Hyderabad with rest of the regions and people of other regions in Hyderabad.

    You people must build confidence in rest of people of Andhra and Rayalaseema to seperate.

    We cannot violate rules of the game.You must remeber this.

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  38. @ Anonymous

    These are new one ?

    LOL!!! ROFL!!

    Do you recognize the preamble of Indian Constitution?


    It looks like Telangana people are suppressing LIBERTY of Thought, expression, belief, faith and worship of Andhra people in Hyderabad.

    Man, Seriously, this is the most racist statement I've seen so far. I despise asking you to elaborate on this. Scumbag $#%#@@#$%#

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  39. And the looting continues...

    New power plants are being built in Rayalaseema, Vijayawada elsewhere with coal supplied from Telangana. Most of these projects are finished, rest will be finished in a few months time.

    The extent to which these people will go to loot is unimaginable. Imagine shipping millions of tonnes of coal from Singareni to Rayalaseema, about 850 kilometers away!

    Isn't it many times cheaper to have thermal plants close to coal?

    Now.. what about the proposed power project in Karimnagar, which was supposed to be finished by now? It was reduced from 2100 MW to 700 MW and still hasn't moved a bit. Reliance is building a pipeline from KG to Gujrat and it will be abt 100 kms from Karimnagar thermal project. Pipeline would be laid by reliance (after all they want to sell gas, what better than to sell huge quantities to thermal electric projects!) .. but, still it doesn't move forward.

    The shipping of coal, however, continues!

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  40. You people must build confidence in rest of people of Andhra and Rayalaseema to seperate.

    You need to build confidence in yourself and the ability to live on your own without exploiting other regions.

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  41. Is DGP Girish Kumar from Andhra region? He seems to side with them most of the time.

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  42. Manohar, my friend, you there? Or did you go anonymous?

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  43. Shankar

    Some Telangana people come to conclusions very very quickly they do not have patience to listen to other side and are one eye blind, that is what i have observed here.

    Its easy. kids do this.

    I am sorry i am at wrong place.

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  44. Idler,

    The link you have provided is a distorted version of history. Read about different linguistic movements in India in the 50s. All of them were influenced by what happened in Andhra. SRC was constituted in the immediate aftermath of Sriramulu's death. I dont understand how tarnishing the image of Potti Sriramulu helps the Telangana cause!

    The idea of creating linguistic states is as as old as the idea of free and independent India. But after independence, Nehru was very reluctant to create new states. Separate Andhra was talked about but it did not materialize until Dec, 1952. So, the contention in the link you provided, that Andhra formation was assured, and it is only for Madras he took fasting, is false. Sriramulu also wanted Madras to be part of Andhra, but that was not the primary reason for undertaking his fast. Below is the timeline of events:

    19th Oct, 1952 - Potti Sriramulu started fasting for separate state for Andhra.

    16th Dec, 1952 - Sriramulu became martyr, after fasting for 58 days. Riots broke out all across Andhra and Seema.

    19th Dec, 1952 - PM Nehru declared separate Andhra state. Also, SRC was constituted at around the same time. It can be inferred that commissioning of SRC was a direct consequence of the events in Andhra.

    1st Oct, 1953 - Andhra state formed with Kurnool as capital.

    I will write another comment on next question.

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  45. I just read this on one of the daily newspapers' comments section

    LOL..

    " we should remember that Hyderabad is not in Telangana because Telangana is a region. Hyderabad was in Hyderabad state and Telangana was just one of the regions in the state. Hyderabad is in Andhra Pradesh now and can be capital of any new state carved out of Andhra Pradesh. It will be in Telangana only if Telangana is carved to include Hyderabad in it. "

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  46. @Manohar January 14, 2010 2:51 AM

    OMG...where did u get that timeline from ??

    Can u quote the source for us

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  47. @ Anonymous
    It looks like Telangana people are suppressing LIBERTY of Thought, expression, belief, faith and worship of Andhra people in Hyderabad.

    Will you care to explain WHEN people of telangana have suppressed WORSHIP, FAITH, BELIEF, EXPRESSION, THOUGHT of Andhra people?

    How can you come up with baseless stuff like this?

    Did we make movies and make a mockery out of you guys... or your Atla-tadde?

    When was your WORSHIP suppressed? and in what form?

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  48. Idler,

    Firstly, I never posted with any other name/ Anonymous.

    What is a 20th century movement? What is a 21st century problem?

    I came to know about Sujai as an entrepreneur a few days back. I read his interview in Rediff. Quiet impressive and inspiring.
    But I wonder how he is tolerating all this trash talk by our socialist arm-chair cyber robin hood commentators who have this great aversion for 'Andhra pettubadidarulu'!

    Someone even mentioned that since 'socialist' is mentioned in out preamble, it is only fair to target moneyed people!

    People are forgetting that India of 50s is much different from modern India. Even though we have socialistic roots, we have fully embraced capitalism and whatever little development we are seeing today is because of that.

    Between 1968 and 1972, we had 2 'movements' and the whole state came to standstill for prolonged periods. There was widespread damage to property and businesses and loss of lives on both sides. But we were back on track pretty quickly.
    Now if we conduct this 'movement' in similar lines, competing for who does more bandhs, more fasting, more instability etc, the consequences are going to be far more disastrous. These days when corporate returns are measured on quarterly basis, we can very easily put our future in jeopardy by behaving irresponsibly. This is what I meant when I said not to conduct another 20th century movement.

    The problem as I see it is that of regional imbalances in terms of economic well-being. In this information age the differences can easily flareup and negatives get accentuated. This should be addressed properly. Is division of state the only solution? I dont think so.

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  49. Jai Telangana:
    OMG...where did u get that timeline from ??
    Can u quote the source for us


    Well, thats highly classified. You need to get level 8 security clearance to get to that.
    Gimme a break!

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  50. Here is a link from some Andhra guy advocating for Hyderabad as a common capital. He says Hyderabad was built by all people of Andhra Pradesh from 1500s.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Once-upon-a-time/H1-Article1-497116.aspx

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  51. Manohar,

    I thought separate andhra state would have been formed in 1950 itself. I think it was because of andhra leaders who were adamant that Madras be a joint capital that led to the issue to drag on. Essentially potti sriramlu fasted for separate andhra state with madras as it's capital. But that never materialized. He even said that andhra state without madras would be headless body.

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  52. @Manohar

    " 19th Oct, 1952 - Potti Sriramulu started fasting for separate state for Andhra. "

    - FALSE

    Since u refuse to quote ur source let me put down what potti sriramulu himself had to say

    HERE IS THE TRUTH:

    Before Potti Sriramulu commenced his fast he issued 2 manifestos on the following dates:

    (i) First manifesto - 30-09-1952
    (ii) Final manifesto- 19-10-1952

    In his manifestoes he stated that he wanted Madras City as the capital of Andhra state and he wanted to focus on this issue by way of the fast. In his final manifesto issued on October 10, 1952 he stated as under:

    “A very serious attempt has to be made to bring about an agreed settlement over the FUTURE of Madras City”. All reasonable Andhras and Tamils should be brought together and made to come to an ‘Agreement’ over the Madras City COMMON to Andhras and Tamils.

    In another letter dated: 13-9-1952 addressed to Sri Bh Laxminarayan, Advocate, Madras, Potti Sriramulu had described his “intense attachment to Madras City” and hence the fast for deciding the future of Madras City

    He also said in his own words:

    " The desire of our people for a separate State is just and legitimate has been conceded by the State and Central Governments. Today there is no question about the need of a State. There is unanimity both among the people and the Government on this question. They are all anxious about an early formation of the State”.

    NOTE the sentence "has been conceded by the State and Central Governments"

    Andhra state formation was already decided and agreed upon even before he commenced his fast. He laid down his life only for Madras city and its future


    Telangana -> Open Book
    Andhra -> Twisted facts and truths

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  53. Jai T,

    19th Oct, 1952 - Potti Sriramulu started fasting for separate state for Andhra. "
    - FALSE


    This is from Hindu newspaper archives.

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/12/10/stories/2002121001060900.htm

    The first line says: "On the 7th, the 50th day of his fast unto death in Chennai ..." So, 7th of Dec is 50th day. Now work your way backwards (use fingers if you feel comfortable that way!) and you will get start date.
    I gave few well known dates which are available all over Internet and there is no need for reference. But, you made sweeping statements without giving any valid source/ citation/ book/ scholarly paper/ news paper etc! I dont consider the blog link you provided as authentic.

    Vinay,

    You probably are right. But we remember him for bringing us Andhra state! What is wrong with Andhras asking for Madras? Once upon a time, Telugu speaking lands were present even further south of Madras. But by independence time, surrounding districts of Madras were more Tamil speaking. But Madras city itself had equal representation of Telugu and Tamil speaking populations. Madras was melting pot of Telugu literature, art and movies. There were hundreds of Telugu businesses. There was emotional attachment to Madras.
    The claim was very valid, but the Andhras accepted the political reality of the day and moved on.

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  54. Manohar,
    Vinay is saying the truth and not a probable fact.
    If the claim was valid then why was it denied to be part of Andhra state?

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  55. Manohar
    But we remember him for bringing us Andhra state!
    What you remember is not important. Truth is important here.
    You cannot win arguments by saying what you alone feel. If what you know is wrong then it is not the fault of telangana
    What is true is telanganites feel the safeguards put before the merger had been grossly violated.
    And it is absolutely correct. Can you deny that?
    They just want to try their luck by separating out. What is wrong with that.
    Let go. Thats the only remedy. Good for everyone

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  56. Manohar,

    So there is nothing wrong with Separate Telangana demand at all then. It does seem like British didn't divide and rule either on linguistic or any other basis. Indians divided their states based on languages which I totally disagree with. We lost the national integration right then. My forefathers are used to speak atleast three to four languages
    (urdu, telugu , marathi, hindi ). If you accept to divide state based on language and merge with another supposedly telugu speaking state this situation will arise time and again.

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  57. Vinay: My forefathers are used to speak atleast three to four languages
    lol. 50% of people even to this day cannot read/ write in their mother tongue! Even if linguistic states were not formed, people would slowly have accepted the local dominant language, and homogenization would have occurred.

    Sravan: What you remember is not important. Truth is important here.
    Dude, are we doing a critical study of Potti Sriramulu here? Even Gandhi has his critics. How does being critical of Potti Sriramulu help separate Telangana cause? He is remembered for what ever he is worth in Andhra and all of India.
    All you want to do is somehow establish that Andhra people are after annexing other people's capitals! That kind of thinking might help you satisfy your ego, but no sane person is going to buy that.

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  58. All you want to do is somehow establish that Andhra people are after annexing other people's capitals! That kind of thinking might help you satisfy your ego, but no sane person is going to buy that
    Did I say that you are trying to annex other people's capitals?
    I thought you have minsinformation.
    The truth is you are misinterpreting.
    Whether you believe it or not Potti Sriramulu fasted for Madras City. It is the wrong information fed to you by our erstwhile history text books and media.
    Now when you have the facts opened before you why do you still try to prove those misread history correct?
    You got to grow up baby.

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  59. He is remembered for what ever he is worth in Andhra and all of India
    When you are given the hard core facts that prove Potti Sriramulu actually fought for a capital city and not for a separate state why do you still not want to change your stand?
    I think it is your egoistic determination.

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  60. Sravan,

    Only you seem to have this info about the actual intent of Potti Sreeramulu's hunger strike. Possibly from the man himself when he was on his usual strolls to our universe from a parallel universe?
    I am curious about this parallel history that you keep referring to which is supposedly more pristine compared to the history as some of us know it. Just curious. Ofcourse, not as curious as you, with enough enthusiasm to dig (pun intended)through hard core facts and present them for our benefit. Is it possible that these facts are born out of a an idle(idol?)professor's spare time? Or is it Idler's spare time?

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  61. @ Manohar:
    // The problem as I see it is that of regional imbalances in terms of economic well-being.//

    Agreed.

    // In this information age the differences can easily flareup and negatives get accentuated. This should be addressed properly.//

    Agreed. What is “properly” means do you have one time addressable solution?

    // Is division of state the only solution? I don’t think so. //

    Very good question, as of now current scenario/situation is:

    1) Telangana believes that’s only the solution.
    2) Andhra (i.e Jai Andhra supporters) believe that’s the only solution.

    Can you (please anyone on this blog feel free to comment) find/suggest a solution (keeping state united) without ANY formulas or contracts or agreements? So that this issue is closed forever…

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  62. Mr. Fifth element,
    I think you have been living in a false belief purported by the history textbooks which have misrepresented facts since past 6 decades.
    The demand for separate andhra state was as old as the demand for self rule in India. Infact in 1917 when there was a resolution to be passed for self-rule during Indian Congress session, one of our andhra congressman also passed separate andhra resolution which had no takers then. Ironically, Jinnah was more averse than anybody and said "It is the most mischievous resolution"
    However when Madras govt while presenting report to Simon Commission expressed that telugus in madras state were marginalized, it became clear that a separate state is inevitable. After that resolution of separate andhra state passed two times in Madras Legislative assembly before independence.
    During the convention of 1946 constituent assembly it was agreed that a separate state is justified and feasible the interest of the day was to carve out an independent nation first.
    Two commisions Dar and JVP(linguistic Provinces Commision) were constituted to discuss this issue. Both reluctant to fragmentaion of states(in fear of National Integrity, given the then scenario of Country's tragic Partition) however agreed upon separate andhra state with out Madras city, given that both parties mutually concede.
    Howver anhdra people were averse against loosing Madras city(quite adamant because in Madras city then Tamils were dominant 46% to 33% telugus).
    Since both parties could not concede on the terms just because of madras city, the status quo maintained.
    First in 1951 Swami sitaram started the fast for separate state which continued for 34 days but had to resign because of Acharya Vinobha Bhave. It is important to remember that separate andhra state delayed only because of the false claim of andhras on Madras City.
    In 1952 Potti Sriramulu(I consider him a great person)
    fasted for 52 days before laying down his life in MAdras city for separate andhra state with Madras as capital.
    However 5 days before his death Nehru agreed to form a separate state soon but however concluded that Madras will not be included.
    Potti Sriramulu not happy with it continued to fast and died 5 days later.
    THis caused a violent unrest all over andhra(which actually created a bad precedent for the future separatist agitations) that resulted in immediate proclamation for a separate andhra state.
    So it is clear that Potti sriramulu was more concerned about a capital city than a separate state because andhra people never agreed for a separate state with out Madras as Capital.
    I

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  64. @Anonymous January 14, 2010 1:18 AM


    Development?
    How would Telangana develop without good irrigation projects, schools, colleges and most of the Govt. jobs belongs to telangana are in the hands of Andhra? Atleast few of our educated people get those jobs if you didn't steal those Govt. jobs. around 2laks post are not a small number (4crore population, if you say four people per family and if we distribute those 2laks jobs that means one govt. job for every 45-50 family)

    Education
    Can you find how much our Govt. is spending on eduction region wise? there is much difference in the funds, number of schools, colleges. Why there is much difference? Can you answer?

    Self respect?
    If the Delhi neglects the south in all ways then I am sure all south will start this kind of movement against the north for south rights. Ofcourse south can not be formed as saperate nation because it is unconstitutional but asking for saperate state is with in the law.

    Water
    Could you care to explain how would things much worse if saperated? We have enough water, the only problem is you are not allowing us to take that water, we had to listen to you now because we are under one umberella, once we saparate we take the share what we deserve.

    Why would we had to come up with a deal on Hyderabad? What hyderabad you are talking about? Most of the current hyderabad city is in the other telangana districts. Do you want to divide those telangana states too?

    This whole movement is happenning because of the mistakes made by you, If you really want to be united(or worried about losing HYD) you must start the dialog by apologizing the telangana people first for your mistakes. You are saying like when we united Andhra break the rules and Telangana should loose the funds, water, jobs etc. And if we divide then Telangana loose hyderabad.

    And finally you talked about the rules soooooo much, didn't you remember those rules when breaking the agreements? You broke the first rule now there are no rules. And about the compensation for hyderabad I suggest you to read the following comments made by telanganomics, Anand and Laughing_Outloud regarding Jogayya's demands.

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  65. @ Manohar January 14, 2010 8:41 AM

    U think I just woke up from sleep and my dreams translated in to comments above?? Dysfunctional paranoia is what I think u and some of your other friends in constant denial suffer from.

    Laying down one’s own life for a cause no matter how small or big is the greatest sacrifise a person can make in his life time and each and every telanganaite is mature enough to understand this fact about amarajeevi. I am saying this, because I felt the same respect about Potti sriramulu even before I knew nothing about telangana’s issues and i continue to have the same for him to date for what he’s done. This, I hope will answer your concerns and you will stop blaming us wrongly that we are trying to crictize or talk bad about him. We only are trying to say that a man should deserve respect and credit for what he is done and for not what he is not done. Potti Sriramulu has always been projected in the media wrongly for crediting to unite all telugu speaking people and it doesn’t stop there. They thereby wrongly blame telanganaites demand for separate state as nothing but an undoing of whatever good he did for our unity


    I had purposefully held off on quoting the source thinking you would atleast have the decency to ask for one before brushing it off which you have done like million times to date that is anything Telangana related. Here is the source http://www.zeenews.com/news588517.html#


    I don’t have a 1% hope that you will believe what is in that link but unfortunately I don’t have a hand-written copy of the actual letter/manuscript potti sriramulu to produce before you. But any sane mind will have the common-sense to think that even if a single word in the article had been a far-fetched claim or quote there would have been a national commotion aka pralayam created by your folks by now and zeenews would have been sued big time. Mind you, most of the article consists of actual quotes by potti sriramulu and nobody will have the guts to go to that extent if its just a fictitious story….least of all telanganaites. If a baseless Russian news article can cause violence to an extent that we’ve seen recently, I doubt this article would have been let gone so easily by all those prying Andhra eyes. The article that you quoted from Hindu is what we’ve been reading since childhood and that is exactly what we’ve been crying foul that history in AP has been manipulated to a great extent and gross injustice has been done to telangana.

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  66. I dont know whats the problem with these national news papers. Hindu published an article in the first page that United Andhra pradesh was suggested by 1st SRC. The article gave an impression that SRC completely rejected the idea of Telangana. The next day they gave a correction saying that their correspondednt got it all wrong and published the right paragraphs from SRC report. Never expected this from a newspaper like Hindu.

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  67. It would have been nice if this movement involved empowerment of lower castes and the downtrodden, the emancipation of women, and better representation of Muslims.

    Why the heck do you think Muslims are downtrodden? Why should Indian government take blame if they have skewed attitudes in education and modern thinking. Basically how has Indian society discriminated against them? No country in the world has given them more opportunity to grow than in India despite them being so called 'minorities'.

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  68. http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sunilpudhari/1877/54060/do-we-really-need-telangana.html

    good article....

    Thanks, Sujai and group learned a lot on Telangana.Kudos guys....

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  69. Sravan/Jai Telangana,

    I went through the zee news link. There seems to be a fundamental flaw in the logic of the writer.

    a) To achieve Andhra state, or
    b) To get Madras city made the capital of Andhra state

    There was no "Andhra state" and hope of getting it soon at the time Potti Sreeramulu took up the fast. So the choice b) above seems incorrect. In the 1952 elections, Andhra voted against Congress to express their feelings at the failure of formation of a separate state. If everyone were convinced that the statehood is a done deal, there wouldn't be a need to go against the then political parties and vote against them. So the conclusion that Swami Sitaram's fast resulted in something substantial to satisfy the statehood demand enough to warrant further protests is invalid. Also, the majority UDF (with T Prakasam as their leader) was not invited by the governor to form the government in 1952. Instead Rajagopala Chari was given the invitation. At this juncture, statehood demands gained momentum and this is when Potti Sreeramulu started his agitation. Looking at his letters, assuming these are valid, he says
    “My Fast begins only for determining the future of Madras City. During my fast, people themselves will come to a decision….. My fast is intended to make the people and at least some Tamils in the City to agree to Madras becoming a separate State. Therefore, if I leave the question of the City in doubt and undertake the fast, I shall be failing in my purpose and duty”.

    Note 1: "Tamils in the City to agree to Madras becoming a separate State". Clearly, he is referring to Madras State becoming a separate state, and not Madras City becoming a separate state, which implies some sort of UT status to Madras itself which isn't true

    Note 2: "Therefore, if I leave the question of the City in doubt and undertake the fast, I shall be failing in my purpose and duty"
    He says if he leaves the status of the city in doubt, he wont be succeeding. This shows him wanting the govt to acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of telugu speaking people in madras city and lot of contributions by telugu people in the city. He did not want to exclude it from his struggle since his reasoning for the separate state were the language and culture of telugu people. Excluding one area might lead to exclusions of other areas. Besides, he identified himself most as a telugu in madras. So it would go against the grain to let madras not be a part of his idea of a telugu state.

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  70. "Hindu published an article in the first page that United Andhra pradesh was suggested by 1st SRC."

    Bix, Hindu is AGAINST seperate Telangana ...don't expect much from it !

    here is an example ...

    The following link takes u to the editorial which appreared when all MP's of TRS resigned in 2007.
    this is the best example of how Hindu can skew facts to suit it's
    ideology
    http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/07/stories/2008030755461000.htm


    The following is the response from Mr. R.N. Das, Joint Director (Press and Public Relations), Lok Sabha Secretariat, New Delhi.

    http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/08/stories/2008030854831000.htm

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  71. "Bix, Hindu is AGAINST seperate Telangana ...don't expect much from it !"

    Hindu is misled by Andhra people and Andhra people control Hindu.

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  72. Jai T,

    You are right, I cant accept the conclusions made in that article. The article was written to fit a predetermined conclusion. Idler can help you with what kind of fallacy that article suffers from! Or ask any learned person or an impartial observer and he will not accept this as genuine work. All the statements attributed to Sriramulu, mentioned in this article might be true, but those are all cherry picked to go with the authors agenda. It would have been good if he uploaded the source documents.
    If there is a misconception that he took fasting for the whole of AP, that has to be countered and that has been done many times. But what is happening here is that people are trying too hard to distort history and malign him, for reasons only known to them!

    But any sane mind will have the common-sense to think that even if a single word in the article had been a far-fetched claim or quote there would have been a national commotion aka pralayam created by your folks by now and zeenews would have been sued big time.

    You think so? Dont exaggerate. If it was written against Ambedkar / Shivaji etc, all hell will break loose. But for Sriramulu, naah.

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  73. fifth element,
    I am really sorry for your false assumption that I have taken my source from zee news. So I am not going to discuss that here as I haven't yet gone through that. My sources are different. I spent few hours in old news papers archive corresponding to the december of 1952.
    That also include several of the literary resources corresponding to papers published in social and economic journals.

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  74. fifth element,
    Besides, he identified himself most as a telugu in madras. So it would go against the grain to let madras not be a part of his idea of a telugu state.

    YOu are wrong in assuming that. It may also mean that telugus are prominent in Madras and that does not mean majority. Infact, during 1952 Madras population was around 1.4 millions and of which 38% were telugu and 49% were tamils. A sect of Tamils were clearly dominating in number and also in bureaucracy and politics. Whereas telugu people were mostly businessmen and movie junks.
    Most importantly regions around Madras city were completely tamilian. Only further north around tanjavur and Kanchipuram there were more telugu people.

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  75. Sravan:Most importantly regions around Madras city were completely tamilian. Only further north around tanjavur and Kanchipuram there were more telugu people.

    Tanjavur and Kanchi to the north of Chennai? Only if your view of the world is topsy turvy like this:)
    Anyway, Chennai is less than 100KM away from Andhra border.
    Also, 'movie junks'? Those days movies were made by real artists and intelligent people.

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  76. manohar,
    I mean kanchipuram district which is certainly northern most district in TN.
    As I already appreciated your skills in conextomy last year, I do the same this year. Kudos

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  77. Sravan,

    "YOu are wrong in assuming that. It may also mean that telugus are prominent in Madras and that does not mean majority. "

    How are you deducing this? I never said telugu's were a majority in madras city. And about the demographics of the then madras state and city, what literary sources are telling you that telugu people were "movie junkies and businessmen"? There were lawyers, artists, writers, doctors, businessmen, politicians, engineers and other professionals in all walks of life studying, working and living in madras.
    Besides, if you look at history madras was not the southern most point upto which telugu people went and settled when vijayanagara empire flourished. Tyagaraja and his grandfather before him were born in Tanjavur dist which is midway of the eastern coast of tamilnadu. They were composing music and writing poetry in telugu in a court ruled by a tamil king. Can you not imagine how many other telugus lived and died in those times in those places? Not to mention the merchants in coimbatore and madurai (which are to the west and south of Madras city). Descendents of telugu people still live there, some of whom i have met at work. These people speak a dialect of telugu and have lived there for at least 7-8 generations. Anyways, I digress.

    Coming back to Potti Sreeramulu, even if he was fighting for AP state with madras as capital city (this argument in one of the comments based on an article written by an MP from Nizamabad) what is the big deal? The man died for his principles for gods sake, unlike KCR who was downing god knows what in 2 days. Show some respect man.

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  78. How are you deducing this? I never said telugu's were a majority in madras city.
    I though you meant that when you said
    This shows him wanting the govt to acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of telugu speaking people in madras city and lot of contributions by telugu people in the city. He did not want to exclude it from his struggle since his reasoning for the separate state were the language and culture of telugu people. Excluding one area might lead to exclusions of other areas. Besides, he identified himself most as a telugu in madras. So it would go against the grain to let madras not be a part of his idea of a telugu state.
    So you mean that eventhough telugu were not the majority madras should have been a telugu city because you think telugu people developed it.
    Just like you guys argue for hyderabad.
    For godsake come out of your andhra supremacist ideology.
    You are no more greedy than hungry hippo.

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  79. @ Fifth Element

    " Coming back to Potti Sreeramulu, even if he was fighting for AP state with madras as capital city (this argument in one of the comments based on an article written by an MP from Nizamabad) what is the big deal? The man died for his principles for gods sake, unlike KCR who was downing god knows what in 2 days. Show some respect man. "

    You dont get it. DO U ???
    We've repeatedly stressed on the fact that we have nothing against potti sriramulu or about what he is done. Comparing politicians from two different eras is no good. If we start off on the double-standards of seemandhra politicians they can easily win ton loads of awards for all the harm that they have done to mankind.

    @Manohar

    U seem to come up with reason after reason to counter our argument even when Sravan mentioned the fact that he did lay his hands on printed newspapers at that time. Same rules should be applied to either party. If we claim facts u want to see all kinds of actual manuscripts but if roles are reversed you expect us to beleive unbaked truths.

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  80. Sravan: So you mean that eventhough telugu were not the majority madras should have been a telugu city because you think telugu people developed it.
    Just like you guys argue for hyderabad.
    For godsake come out of your andhra supremacist ideology.


    We knew all along the reasons for this smear campaign on Potti Sriramulu. Now you have come out in the open with your dirty intentions.
    - Sriramulu fasted for separate Andhra with Madras as capital. Andhra was granted in the immediate aftermath of his attaining martyrdom.
    - It was not completely absurd to ask for Madras as common capital as Telugus had a long association with Madras and were a sizable proportion of total population of that time.
    - Also, you cannot attribute his feelings to the opinion of all of Andhras. He did his fast on his own convictions without much fanfare.
    - When Andhra state was declared without Madras, the leadership of Andhra accepted it as they knew the limitations and political reality of that time. The people of Andhra too did not make much fuss about it.

    Now, how can you call the people of Andhra supremacists? All your arguments are falling apart and you are clinging on to every little straw available. Chee chee, there is even a limit to self deceit. You guys just cannot digest the fact that an Andhra person made the ultimate selfless sacrifice. If he happened to be a Kannadiga and had he fasted for formation of Karnataka, all you guys would have been singing paeans and offering daily haratis to him. If only KCR comes clean on who his inspiration for fasting was? Its another thing that he could not last for 2 days!

    Also, your geography sucks! Kancheepuram district is also south of Madras. This is trivial, but it definitely throws some light on your 'meticulous research'.

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  81. *You guys just cannot digest the fact that an Andhra person made the ultimate selfless sacrifice. If he happened to be a Kannadiga and had he fasted for formation of Karnataka, all you guys would have been singing paeans and offering daily haratis to him.

    Read what JT's posts before yours on what we feel about Potti Sriramulu. We respect the man as much as you do. We admire him as a man who fought and sacrified his life for his people who were margnilized. The only problem we have is he being projected as the guy who sacrified for all Telugu speaking people. There are people/politicians who have been branding us as the ones who are destroying the spirit of Sriramulu by seprating out. I hope you understand how ludicrous is that.

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  82. Manohar,
    If you go through my past comments especially that regarding Potti Sriramulu in post "United We Stand"(http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/telangana-xiv-united-we-stand.html)
    you will know my regards for him.
    Even after the death of potti sriramulu and formation of andhra state you guys ran a movement for more than 8 months known famously as "Madras Manade". Would you deny that. If 38% of minority fight 49% of majority for a city saying they developed it, then what should it be called "greed" or "hunger".
    This even counts for hyderabad.
    And Kanchipiram is south of madras but is a northern district of temilnadu. I was also mentioning tiruvaluvar and misteken for tanjavur(A bit of cotextomy again on your part because this comment no way helps your argument or mine). Even tanjavur then had some telugu population(again those who migrated from andhra). NOw atleast they call themselves as tamilians more than andhra(not like you guys who hate being called telanganites even though born in hyderabad, which is part of telangana. Shame on you)

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  83. Sravan,

    You digress. If the only reason for bringing up Potti Sriramulu (bless his soul) is to clear
    "The only problem we have is he being projected as the guy who sacrified for all Telugu speaking people. There are people/politicians who have been branding us as the ones who are destroying the spirit of Sriramulu by seprating out."

    there are other ways to do it rather than trying to bring down the stature of PS as a person. Dont you think? I suppose you would have preferred if everything was part of Madras state even today and when Nizam's rule on telangana ended, we would all have become part of madras state, if it were done on a linguistic basis. Then we would be learning tamil and then we wouldnt have to fight over whether potti sriramulu really sacrificed for "all" telugu people or for only some. Or maybe if you became part of a separate state back then, potti sriramulu's sacrifice cannot be attributed to telangana since the division of the state wouldnt have been based on languages but based on some other reason.

    Whatever your logic is, its convoluted. If you want to respond to people who are saying that you, as you people as a whole are destroying the spirit of potti sriramulu, try to defend it by arguing its not you people, its some of you, like KCR and like someone here pointed out, current day politicians cannot be compared to yesteryear politicians.

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  84. Bix,

    Thank you very much.
    Lets end this by accepting these 2 things.
    1) Projecting PS sacrifice is for all of AP formation is false and should be countered.
    2) The article that some of you guys mentioned (which appeared in zee news as well) is malicious and false.

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  85. Thirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 15, 2010 11:51 PM

    Manohar, nth element, and other sundry commentors:

    What Potti Sriramulu did, what he died for, what he died of is largely irrelevant to us. For all I care, he could have died of aids, syphilis, diarrhea or self-immolation. There is no difference between him and a random stranger insub-Saharan Africa dying of various causes, as far as Telangana is concerned.

    What you should remember is (and you would do well to remember) -- Potti Sriramulu had absolutely nothing to do with Telangana.

    Now, if Potti important to you, you can worship him, make idols of him, build Potti Sriramulu temples and build a new Tirupathi based on Potti worshiping ecosystem. We are indifferent to that.

    Don't tell us to respect him or tell us that he fought for us. Potti would turn in his grave if you abuse his original fight. Poor Potti!

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  86. Manohar,
    Sriramulu fasted for separate Andhra with Madras as capital. Andhra was granted in the immediate aftermath of his attaining martyrdom.

    Sorry but Death of potti sriramulu incited strong sentiments and Communists capitalized on it. They eventually used this to create violence and bigotry in the state which is the reason why you gopt andhra state.
    This would have been possible if potti sriramulu agreed to stop his fast 4 days before when Nehru declated separate state with out madras.
    it was unnecessary for him to continue forsake of madras and unknowingly and sadly responsible for violence. If you can see western news papers of that time you will clearly see that they think nehru declared separate state because of violence and redscare rather than the death of poor sriramulu.
    It was not completely absurd to ask for Madras as common capital as Telugus had a long association with Madras and were a sizable proportion of total population of that time
    No one other than andhra people can support your greed here.
    Why don't you consider the long association of tamils with madras and also they made the majority population of Madras then.
    If it is not absurd then it is idiotic on your part to claim Madras.
    Also, you cannot attribute his feelings to the opinion of all of Andhras. He did his fast on his own convictions without much fanfare
    Well What about "Madras Manade" movement that unleashed ugly violence and tirade against temilians for 8 months after Potti sriramulus death? Are you andhra people not responsible for that.

    When Andhra state was declared without Madras, the leadership of Andhra accepted it as they knew the limitations and political reality of that time. The people of Andhra too did not make much fuss about it.

    Are you kidding me?
    You accepted that calmly?
    There was lot of violence and destruction and resignations just like today on the name of "Madras Manade"
    Know history first. You guys only calmed domw after some one promised a capital in hyderabad after merger of telangana.
    you are greedier than dogs.
    I definitely need aniticipate your response Manohar. If you do not address this Madras mande then your silence is enough to understand that you agree for separate telangana

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  87. Its one of the best humorous comment I have seen on the blog...cannot stop laughing...after such an intense debate on PS for last couple of days...this is not the ending I expected ROFL :)

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  88. @Thirupathi Samuel Reddy
    January 15, 2010 11:51 PM

    Its one of the best humorous comment I have seen on the blog...cannot stop laughing...after such an intense debate on PS for last couple of days...this is not the ending I expected ROFL :)

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  89. Fifth element,
    As I already mentioned look at my first comment in "United we stand".

    I suppose you would have preferred if everything was part of Madras state even today and when Nizam's rule on telangana ended, we would all have become part of madras state, if it were done on a linguistic basis. Then we would be learning tamil and then we wouldnt have to fight over whether potti sriramulu really sacrificed for "all" telugu people or for only some. Or maybe if you became part of a separate state back then, potti sriramulu's sacrifice cannot be attributed to telangana since the division of the state wouldnt have been based on languages but based on some other reason.

    I wouldn't have cared if andhra was left merged with madras state. Atleast telangana would have been free from andhra colonizers and disrimination.
    (However I still believe separation of states then was the best thing that happened to India after Independence. Or else india would have disintegrated in to several nations soon after.)
    And remember telangana would have been separate even if Madras was split or not.
    Telangan was never a part of madras. It always existed a separate entity, atleast 250 years before that.

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  90. Nobody asked you to respect him or asked whether you respect him or told you that he fought for you. Its clear to us what he fought for. If you are still analysing it, it shows you arent clear and you can keep analysing to it no end. You were peppering your statements with how much regard you have for him

    "Gummadi kaya donga evaru ante, bujalu chuskovadam"

    Translation for non telugu speakers: A pumpkin was stolen and people gathered to find out who did it. When asked "who did it?" one of guys, inadvertently checked his shoulders (people tend to carry pumpkins and such on their shoulders).

    Besides, if you strongly believe separation of states post independence was a good thing,you must also believe in the linguistic basis for separation. And your fear that india would have been split into separate nations is not baseless. How are you then sure that Telangana wouldnt have become a separate nation and run into a worse rut than now?

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  91. Nobody asked you to respect him or asked whether you respect him or told you that he fought for you. Its clear to us what he fought for.

    You may not have asked us, but there have been tons of Andhra people who keep bringing up Potti and that he fought for a United Andhra. You would do well to pass on your knowledge of Potti to your brethren.

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  92. Thirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 16, 2010 1:33 AM

    Anonymous @ January 16, 2010 12:14 AM

    Thank you!

    Potti is the corpse-at-large that Andhra people will use for everything. I don't blame them, coz it is the only one they have. This is in contrast to Telangana who have lost thousands.

    If the people of Andhra have some cause, they will say, Potti Sriramulu died for .

    I smell a business opportunity here, based on the dynamism of Pottis cause. Maybe sell T-shirts, mugs, cards, which can be customized with text -- Potti died for .

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  93. Thirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 16, 2010 1:35 AM

    previous post ruined my formatting, reposting!

    Anonymous @ January 16, 2010 12:14 AM

    Thank you!

    Potti is the corpse-at-large that Andhra people will use for everything. I don't blame them, coz it is the only one they have. This is in contrast to Telangana who have lost thousands.

    If the people of Andhra have some cause, they will say, Potti Sriramulu died for ___insert that cause here____.

    I see a business opportunity here, based on the dynamism of Pottis cause. Maybe sell T-shirts, mugs, cards, which can be customized with text -- Potti died for ____give us that text____.

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  94. Samuel,

    If you dont care for PS, then you better close your jealous, ignorant ass and sit tight. You guys spread filth every where and then act innocent. Only you guys can carry on smiling with the stench of shit on your hands.

    Sravan,

    PS became martyr on 16th Dec and Nehru granted statehood on 19th. There was violence for 3 days. There is no justification to say Nehru succumbed to pressure after 3 days of violence! He was under pressure all along and he relented at last.

    This would have been possible if potti sriramulu agreed to stop his fast 4 days before when Nehru declated separate state with out madras. it was unnecessary for him to continue forsake of madras and unknowingly and sadly responsible for violence.

    You are talking after FIFTY FOUR days after fasting. Dont you know what 54 days of fasting would do to his physical and mental faculties? Was he in any position to evaluate anything by that time? It is inhuman of you to talk like this.

    Finally, there is nothing wrong in Andhra people asking for Madras as a shared capital. 38% of population is not a small percentage of population.

    You guys only calmed domw after some one promised a capital in hyderabad after merger of telangana.
    Is there any proof for that? Dont say you unearthed from some old newspapers without proof. You are such a gasbag, you are talented enough to unearth Atlantis with your imagination. Everybody knows, we got Tirupati as a bargain for losing Chennai.

    For me, this is primarily not about Potti Sriramulu. We are not doing a critical analysis of life and times of PS, neither we are qualified for that. I dont want to argue on this anymore.
    More than anything, this is about how you guys twist, distort and falsify facts and history either to make your case for Telangana or to show Andhra people in bad light. You people are shameless! Every reasonable person can see thru your hipocracy.

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  95. Thirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 16, 2010 1:52 AM

    Manohar gaaaru,

    stench of shit on your hands.

    Definitely better than what comes out from your mouths! :)

    I hope you finally realize that Potti has nothing to do with Telangana and stop bringing him up. You guys are doing the greatest disservice to Potti by crediting him with things he didn't fight for! If there is anybody who is maligning Potti, it is you and your Andhra brothers. Have some respect for the dead, what they fought for and let them rest in peace!

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  96. Smart ass Samuel,

    Stop false propaganda and floating malicious articles.
    Instead of getting defensive, why dont you have the courage to say that article is offensive and false?

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  97. Manohar,
    More than anything, this is about how you guys twist, distort and falsify facts and history either to make your case for Telangana or to show Andhra people in bad light. You people are shameless! Every reasonable person can see thru your hipocracy.
    Look at our telugu history text books printed in VJA or Rajamundry.
    You will know who is best doing that.
    LOL for your ignorance.

    I though you had the nerve to comment on Madras Manade. I think you agree with me now. So stop chanting samaikhyandhra for now.

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  98. PS became martyr on 16th Dec and Nehru granted statehood on 19th.
    A martyr or a scapegoat now.

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  99. Sujai,
    Well the things you proposed to bring about awareness all over india about telangana issue are really great.
    But do you think we would be able to win over these andhra bullies using such simple tactics?
    Remember the Jalasadhana Samithi's World record number of nominations for one legislative seat to bring about world's attention on Nalgonda flourosis and water issue. However the Union gov. simply were able force election commision to change the election rules & reg. after that (So no one can break or attempt to break that record again).
    Now also we have laws that can stop peaceful association of people(I do not know why supreme court supported that even though it is against our constitution's fundamental right- right to freedom of peaceful association)
    There are seveal laws today that can be safely enforced to make any of those tactics work before we even try to attempt implementing them.

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  100. Sravan: I though you had the nerve to comment on Madras Manade. I think you agree with me now. So stop chanting samaikhyandhra for now.

    Sravan, we debunked all the baseless allegations you made about PS. Madras Manade agitations had nothing to do with PS. It happened after his death.
    First agree that all the allegations you made about PS are baseless and false. Then we can move on to this topic.

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  101. Manohar,

    When will you guys stop falsifying history and correct the textbooks?

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  102. Manohar,
    well my comments were nothing to do with PS . And at the same time PS has nothing to do with telangana.
    IT is you who bring him up unnecessarily.
    We only tried to prove the analogy that what andhra people fought for during 1952 is same as separate telangana issue.
    But the difference here is andhra people fought for a separate state and also for a city that does not belong to them
    Again today they are resisting a separate state and also fighting for a city that does not belong to them.
    Sriramulu's supreme sacrifice whatever may be his reasons are. had brought in to light the importance of carving out new states in then recently independent india. That is why I admire him. Not because he brought separate andhra state for some telugus.

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  103. Sravan,

    తివిరి ఇసుమున తైలంబు తియ్యవచ్హు ...
    చేరి ముర్ఖుల మనసు రంజింప రాదు!

    I tried my best, but still am not able to make you say that article is all false!

    Whereas I agreed that PS has nothing to do with Telangana.

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  104. Idler,

    I definitely agree that recent Telangana history was under represented in our history books.

    From whatever I remember, we studied about Kakatiyas, about Charminar, Bhakta Ramadoss etc. But very little about Telangana independence, razakar movement, police action etc. I am not sure if anything has changed, but atleast now they will have to open their eyes.

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  105. mANOHAR,
    I cannot say that article is false Neither I can affirm you that it is true.
    And as I told you before my comments were based on different sources.
    Go back and read through my comments again.
    తివిరి ఇసుమున తైలంబు తియ్యవచ్హు ...
    చేరి ముర్ఖుల మనసు రంజింప రాదు!

    Atleast thats what dozens of comments from several individuals have been saying about your comments.
    Nice excerpt but best suits your strawman arguments.

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  106. Manohar,
    Before you come up with any more comments,
    Justify your Samaikhyandhra stand.
    How is it real when a region is completely differing its opinion from that?
    If you want that then let it be. Let those people and regions fighting for samaikhyandhra stay togetther.
    For godsake leave telangana alone whose people are vexed with this kind of arrangement.

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  107. Sravan: I cannot say that article is false Neither I can affirm you that it is true.
    And as I told you before my comments were based on different sources.


    In my opinion, if any reasonable, intelligent person cannot see bias in that article, even after going thru all this discussion, then he is thoroughly brainwashed!
    I will respond to you hereafter, knowing very well that I am wasting my time.

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  108. Before asking for Telangana can you guys ensure that your wooden laders like Harish Rao speak in Telangana Telugu .... why are they speaking in acha Telugu ...

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  109. Manohar,
    The only bias I see is in your comment.
    You have been consistently casting doubts on the article's validity but you haven't provided a single or atleast a link to support your claim.
    Now who is biased.
    I think you believe that if you repeat several times you gonna make a point. But my friend you cannot alter the truth.
    Try to find proof that really ascertains your argument.
    Well Didn't you look at my previous comment# 108?
    HA HA

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  110. Kamal,
    Telangana people woudn't care what language harish rao or any jinx speaks.
    The only thing that matters here is telangana people want to separate out for their own good. The union of the regions has consistently failed the hopes of the people of this region and only benefitted the andhra region.
    When we are saying getaway from our place why don't you guys feel ashamed to say we will press on to us.
    For godsake keepaway.

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  111. Kamal,
    Harish Rao speak in Telangana Telugu .... why are they speaking in acha Telugu ...
    Is this not enough to see how you guys regard telangana telugu.
    You say your telugu is Acha telugu
    A supremacist stand.
    That is enough to say telangana certainly needs an immediate statehood.
    You just getway and join the band wagon of your supremacist friends like Bhanu Prasad before you come up with any word like equality and discrimination.
    You supremacist filth get lost from telangana.

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  112. Sravan: The only bias I see is in your comment.
    You have been consistently casting doubts on the article's validity but you haven't provided a single or atleast a link to support your claim.
    Now who is biased.


    Sravan, I dont have to provide any proof because my version is available in our history books, Wiki pages and a plethora of online sources like websites, news papers etc.
    You are floating a conspiracy theory and it should be called that till the time you come up with valid proof.
    You guys believe in those conspiracy theories because you are all T brainwashed zombies.
    Like many Pakis and Palestinians, who even to this day think that 9/11 was a CIA+ Mossad plot. They have their justifications like: how can 4 planes be hijacked at the same time bypassing high security of US airports etc.

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  113. You say your telugu is Acha telugu
    A supremacist stand.

    It clearly shows how much inferiority complex you have got. Panini wrote first treatise on Sanskrit grammar because he saw the language being used in different way. Likewise Telugu has different dialects due to various cultural influences of the regions. Dialects of Telugu with least influences from other languages are closer to Acha Telugu and every Telugu person should be proud to speak such Telugu to preserve the language. Not the dialects that have been bastardized by other languages. I am not saying just Telangana telugu but also telugu spoken in border districts such as Chittor etc should also be more influenced by Acha Telugu usage, language that is fit for civilized(ROFL) ...

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  114. Tirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 17, 2010 9:15 AM

    Kamal,

    Go back to carving hieroglyphics on stones. That is more ancient and pure.

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  115. Tirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 17, 2010 9:17 AM

    You guys believe in those conspiracy theories because you are all T brainwashed zombies.

    Manohar.. What are the people called who converse with zombies?

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  116. kamal
    It clearly shows how much inferiority complex you have got.

    ROFL. Do you know the definition of Inferiority complex.
    Persons with such a mind set wouldn't question the person he thinks superior.
    First learn the mening of words before you use them.
    That says how much you know about the languages.
    Now coming to the point, you feel telugu you speak is pure. Can you tell me why it is so?
    What do you call pencil in acha telugu?

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  117. You are floating a conspiracy theory and it should be called that till the time you come up with valid proof.
    So you think the whole telangana movement is a conspiracy theory?
    Well do you know until Copernicus theoretically proved and Galileo practically proved people believed in Geocentric theory?
    Do you know until William Harvey, people believed that blood does not circulate in capillaries?
    And philistines like you never approved the realities?
    Why would they now?

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  118. sravan

    ROFL. Do you know the definition of Inferiority complex.
    Persons with such a mind set wouldn't question the person he thinks superior.


    LOL who said the persons with inferiority complexes never question their superiors, go take some psychology 101 class ...

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  119. Now coming to the point, you feel telugu you speak is pure. Can you tell me why it is so?

    Since my Telugu is not bastardized with Urdu words. It has much more pure Dravidian pronunciation of certain syllables and hence makes the language sound sweet and mellifluous. At least teach your kids good Telugu and not the gutter Telangana slang.

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  120. LOL who said the persons with inferiority complexes never question their superiors, go take some psychology 101 class ...
    Well I don't think you are superior nor do I think I am inferior.
    But you think you are superior.
    That is what I say you are supremacist.
    Since my Telugu is not bastardized with Urdu words.
    Well that shows your level of maurity and ofcourse your civic sense.
    It has much more pure Dravidian pronunciation of certain syllables and hence makes the language sound sweet and mellifluous. At least teach your kids good Telugu and not the gutter Telangana slang.

    Strong supremacist filth.
    (Strong reason for telangana separation)
    Do not teach this kind of filth to your kids.

    On a funny note,
    your name is B*zation(I don't know what it is but implying your own standard jargon here for better explanation) of dravidian telugu by sanskrit.
    ROFL

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  121. Guys and gals,
    I was going through this intelligent Manohar's comments that he made before and I suddenly stuck with this
    The article was written to fit a predetermined conclusion.

    LOL and ROFL

    I don't know that people like Manohar start writing and then after completing it they draw conclusions from their own article.
    HAhhahahahahahha......

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  122. Tirupathi Samuel ReddyJanuary 17, 2010 4:31 PM

    Shravan,

    Manohar says we have fully embraced capitalism .

    From that, we know he doesn't have the foggiest idea what he is talking about.

    He is self-certified elitist (elite by association, coz he follows JP).

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  123. Samuel,

    Cant you see how your communist party is slowly getting reduced to fringe in national politics? Even in their bastion of Bengal, they are losing ground.
    But with dumb supporters like you who live in their grand illusions, they will find a new fertile ground in Telangana (if that happens).

    Sravan: I don't know that people like Manohar start writing and then after completing it they draw conclusions from their own article.
    If you want to seek truth, you dont start with a set result in mind.
    But you are so used to this kind of thinking, especially with regards to Telangana, your beliefs can easily go against what you can clearly see in front of your eyes.
    You are thoroughly brainwashed. There is no remedy brfore you recognize that.

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  124. But you think you are superior.
    That is what I say you are supremacist.

    Ample evidence that you are suffering from inferiority complex.

    Strong supremacist filth.
    (Strong reason for telangana separation)

    Dude there are no supremacist thoughts here. When some American corrects your English, will you call him a supremacist?

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  125. Kamal replies,
    But you think you are superior.
    That is what I say you are supremacist.----------
    --------reply
    Ample evidence that you are suffering from inferiority complex.

    So you do not think you are supremacist when you say the language I speak is gutter language.
    HOw funny? Simply saying does not cover up your intentions man.
    That is not only supremacist it is a fascist statement.
    I think you should be in mental asylum if you think like that
    Dude there are no supremacist thoughts here. When some American corrects your English, will you call him a supremacist?

    Well, I will feel if another telugu speaker attempts to correct my dialtect saying it is gutter.

    American is correcting probably because my mother tongue is not american english whereas his mother tongue is.
    American fear to correct an English if he speaks the version popular across the atlantic. He would feel that it may be offending.
    They really do find some words archaic and strange.

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  126. Manohar, you said
    If you want to seek truth, you dont start with a set result in mind.
    That is correct but writing article is not about seeking truth but convey some information or what one knows. It may be conclusive or inconclusive. But when conclusions are conveyed, such conclusions are thought before they start writing article. Well I do write articles and conclusions when I make one from the results of my experiment. Not that I start writing the results then I make conclusions.
    To make conclusions one has to think and read, not write.
    hope you understand the brevity

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  127. manohar,
    If you want to seek truth, you dont start with a set result in mind.
    Well i don't think you know how modern science works. They first make an hypothesis and then try to experiment if that holds truth.

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