Friday, January 22, 2010

Telangana 38: Say No to consensus; Say Yes to Referendum

Don’t lose heart; don’t commit suicides

Some of the young people of Telangana, the future of Telangana, have been fighting for this cause for a long time now. Some of them have become completely active for the last 50 days, dedicating themselves to this cause of ours. Now, I find that some of them are dejected, and lost. They don’t know what’s happening. Why did India go back on its word? Why are our political parties breaking up from JAC? Why is there no unanimity amongst our political parties? They are disillusioned. They don’t get honest answers from their politicians. Will this agitation turn into another 1969? Will Telangana ever get freedom? Will Telanganas see the light what others in this country saw, of which we had a glimpse for only 8 eight years during 1948-56?
I want to convey this message to all those who are on the ground fighting for a separate state. We are with you. We will not relent; we will not back out this time; we will keep the pressure on till we get the state. It may take a bit longer; it may take a while, but Telangana will happen.
Yes, India has failed us consistently; its democracy is a sham; it’s not a perfect system; but it’s still better than many other nations and countries out there. We should keep our faith in it and its system. We should fight towards improving it. We should work with the system, within the system. Don’t turn away from the system. Let’s not create another Naxal Movement. All is not lost. It’s only the beginning. It took more than 30 years for Mahatma Gandhi et al to realize our freedoms. And that was from British. I am hoping that India will take care of its people better than British did. 
Some of you fear the clout of Andhras, the power and money that they have, their clout at the Center, and their clout in the State. None of it will stand in our way if we are united. Here are few things you should do:

1. Say NO to consensus
2. Say NO to political parties
3. Say YES to referendum
Say NO to consensus

On December 23, in a flagrant display of Home Ministry doing volte face, P Chidambaram has asked people of Andhra Pradesh to use consultations and talks to reach a consensus; it was reported in the media that the opinion amongst the eight major political parties of AP is divided; and therefore no decision took place. Andhra leaders rejoiced. It was their victory. They stalled Telangana Movement once again. Andhra leaders and Samaikya Andhra supporters expressed their delight in telling us that Telangana issue is now kept in ‘cold storage’.
 
And once again Andhras are now dictating terms to us. They use Chidambaram’s remarks to push us for more talks, more discussions, more debates, more consultations, more arguments, so that they can dilute this agitation once again. They have come up with numbers and statistics that show Telangana is in fact more developed than Andhra. If Andhras are given a chance, they would prove that Blacks in US are in fact more developed, and that they are the ones who discriminated the Whites, not the other way around. They will use skullduggery to manipulate the numbers to prove anything. If you doubt that, just take a look at Satyam scandal. They have creating 13,000 fictitious employees, bank accounts with provident funds accounts. Proving Telangana is more developed is a mere cake walk for them.
Andhra politicians, backed by Andhras who don’t want to give up Telangana or Hyderabad, are buying time, stalling the proceedings, while they continue to besmirch and malign the movement, calling it a movement of Naxals, a movement of extremists who will kill the settlers, and so on. They are giving themselves time, using well-developed and well-rehearsed political machinations, so that Telangana cause gets buried for another forty years. 
What use are the talks?

We held talks to draft Gentlemen’s Agreement; that was broken. Then we held talks to come up with five-point and eight-point program; those were broken. Then it turned out to be six-point formula which was a diluted paper to protect Telanganas; and even that was broken. GO 610 was discussed in Assembly so many times in the last twenty years and yet nothing happened. So, why should we even talk further?
 
What kind of consensus can we reach when the state is clearly divided along regional lines? When those who clearly endorsed Telangana are now going back on their words? Why should we trust Andhra politicians even a bit? Why should we think they will act in good faith now when 53 years have shown exact opposite? Why should even trust our own politicians who may bury our cause in return for a cushy position or few suitcases filled with cash?
Say NO to political parties

Indian Constitution does not recognize political party as a constituent. It recognizes either the people or the representatives of the people, but not political parties. P Chidambaram who graduated from Harvard suddenly seemed to have created his own version of Indian democracy for a while. Why is he pushing for unanimity within the political parties when they are clearly divided along regional lines? Doesn’t this divide show something? That the people’s representatives are clearly endorsing their regional aspirations cutting across the political parties? Isn’t that an indication of how starkly this state is divided? In US, such a support is celebrated as bipartisanship, something that is indicative of true aspirations of the people, and not that of political parties. Elected representatives supporting a cause cutting across party lines is a triumph of democracy not a weakness of democracy. We should have celebrated it not bury it. 
Will a democracy take a vote from its people or from political parties? Do you give one vote to each political party and say, ‘OK, 3 political parties out of 4 don’t want Telangana. Therefore, there is no Telangana?’ When did a political party become recognized constituent in Indian constitution? What sham! What idiocy!
If the region in question is Telangana that is making a case for a statehood citing the reason that it is being bullied into submission by the majority Andhra, how can any rational person ask for a mandate from the State Assembly dominated by majority Andhras? Do you expect the bully to vote on behalf of the victim? Isn’t it obvious that the aggrieved party will never get justice? 
Is that constitutional democracy? What a farce!
Foreseeing this, our forefathers who drafted our Constitution eliminated such stupid scenarios by allowing the Parliament to vote on creation of new states without having to get an endorsement from the state assembly. So why are we shying away from following the actual procedure? Let’s take this up in the Parliament. Why even refer it to State Assembly? What happened to you that day, Mr P Chidambaram? Did you forget your Indian Constitution? 
Article 3: Formation of new States and alteration of areas, boundaries or names of existing States
Parliament may by law:
1. Form a new State by separation of territory from any State or by uniting two or more States or parts of States or by uniting any territory to a part of any State
2. Increase the area of any State
3. Diminish the area of any State
4. Alter the boundaries of any State
5. Alter the name of any State 
All this dillydallying, all this maligning the movement, is done with an exact goal in mind – to bury this cause for another forty years. Therefore, I urge Telanganas, Say NO to consensus. Say NO to political parties. And say it with firmness.
 
Say YES to referendum

Let’s go the democratic way, the true democracy, away from all this farce, this sham that we have created in this country which doesn’t allow mechanisms to voice one’s aspirations. Let’s go with Referendum. 
When you think the opinion is divided, when you don’t know who supports what, when you can’t figure out if the people voted for Telangana or not, if the people’s representatives are being sincere or not, if the political parties have unanimity or not, why don’t you take the decision to the people of Telangana? 
Let’s use the real tool of democracy; let the people of Telangana decide; let’s have a referendum in Telangana whether the people of Telangana want a separate state. Most modern democracies continue to use this tool to settle various issues. So why not India?
I urge all supporters of Telangana Movement to push for referendum. We don’t want to be hijacked by our political parties or our representatives. We don’t want to talk to our Andhra brothers who are not ready to recognize and admit our plight. We don’t want to fight their campaigns of maligning our movement calling it ‘extremist’ or ‘naxalite-driven’. We are tired of fighting such Machiavellian tactics, talking on TV shows to prove our point. We don’t want to hold conferences, consultations, debates and discussions. Enough of arguments; now is the time for action. We want referendum in Telangana to decide if people of Telangana want Telangana.


97 comments:

  1. Satyameva JayatheJanuary 22, 2010 7:07 PM

    Sujai,
    Completely agree that referendum is the only option that makes sense in this case, but how to we get to push this within a flawed system. Sometimes, your mind is pushed to conclude if the system has been reduced to a prostitute in the hands of muscle and money power!

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  2. Another excellent blog! Keep up the good work. Dragging this issue is could make it bitter for people.

    I do not have an answer for what a good system is but Democracy has been a failure in India and many parts of the world. In this situation - political parties care about their future and not the future of people or the country. I don't understand why bifurcation is bad for Andhrawalas. It is good for a commoner in both regions and probably bad for some of the wealthy on both sides. Bifurcate and be done with it before the problem gets worse.

    A referendum would be nice but is it necessary given Indian governments announcement on December 9th? I am all for it if everyone agrees to abide by the referendum. I would also be curious on the results of a referendum in Andhra asking "Samaikya or not". I fail to understand why someone wants to be united with the other when the other thinks you are so mean, unjust, untrustworthy, etc. etc.

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  3. Raju:

    I have thinking about how Indian democracy addresses the aspiration of its people. It doesn't do justice right away. Most of the time it is very reactive. It is never proactive.

    Still, there is optimism. We are definitely maturing as a democracy. That's why I am very hopeful that we will get Telangana.

    We have come a long way from 1969 - just imagine - we had emergency under Indira Gandhi in 1970s where every opposition leader was put in jail.

    Such dictatorial systems, such undemocratic rulings help some vested parties, and that's why they come into existence in the first place.

    The current situation is brought on by very few people, who have vested interests in Hyderabad, and they are using the support of rest of Andhra people on the slogan 'Samaikya Andhra'.

    In fact, the 5% people who are interested in Hyderabad are using the rest of 95% on the 'united state' slogan.

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  4. @Sujai

    First of all, a great post again, each time I feel like you have said it all, you come up with deeper thoughts!

    Also, regarding people who talk about Samaikyandhra, I realize that they seem to be missing the point that they will actually get one more 'capital class' city for Telugus! How can they say no to that? We need to keep driving the point that this is more of an administrative division, not division of people! Yeah, automatically some people would prefer to stay closer to what they call home! So may be a villager in Kurnool, will still prefer to come and work in Hyderabad, but he also has an option to work in the new captial!

    People need to realize that we need to get away from creating one super huge urban jungle. It's better to have smaller but better managed cities easily accessible to people from their villages and home towns, rather than have this one ever expanding city where you concentrate everything!

    So, yes, a referendum with proper campaign might actually see people from Andhra and Rayalaseema joining the people of Telangana in voting for an administrative bifurcation!

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  5. karthikthum:

    I have read your blog. Nice work. Thanks.

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  6. @ Sujai,

    why cant we have a common ground on which we base our future actions? enough talks like you said.what actions are we prepared to take?I have always been asking this question,what next?My logic wasnt prepared to simply accept that Telangana would happen in a day ,a month or a quarter.Some of us have made ourselves stronger to the thought of postponement of a few years too.What can we do collectively as a group?as individuals, other than just see it taking huge strides towards violence and destruction.any suggestions on representation would sound hollow as the elections are more than 4 yrs away.

    can we make a strong case in court?

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  7. @ lavanyadyapa:

    can we make a strong case in court?

    We cannot.

    As of now, Telangana is not an entity that is recognized by our constitution. Though there have been enough safeguards in Article 371 to respect certain regions within a state, those have been diluted subsequently. With the revoking of Mulki Rules and TRC in 1973, we lost separate status in Andhra Pradesh.

    As far as a court is concerned, there is no entity called Telangana or Andhra. You cannot go to court as Telangana Vs. Andhra. However such a thing can happen once the state of Telangana is formed. Right now, we can go to court as individuals or organizations but not as a state.

    Also, a court cannot pass a ruling on creation of new states. That can be done by Parliament. Supreme Court cannot even recommend creation of a new state.

    Without safeguards, a court cannot even say Andhra has discriminated against Telangana. Since those safeguards have been removed slowly and deliberately, we don’t have any protection.

    However, once Telangana is formed, we can take Andhra to court, but that will not yield any result, because Andhra Pradesh ceases to exist. But we can still go to court for the heck of it.

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  8. Sujai,

    Any peaceful movement has to sustain against all odds and be patient until it achieves the final goal. Moreover people should pressure the politicians and that will show the people are more serious and nobody can accuse the movement being lead by selfish politicians.

    What I doubt is the sincerity of the politicians?

    How aggressive are they?

    Has any politician atleast got injured in this movement let alone sacrificing their life?

    All you see is common people getting disillusioned and sacrificing their precious lives.

    As usual all the detractors are hellbent on ridiculing the genuine movement.

    Media as usual is speading false news.

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  9. Enough of arguments; now is the time for action. We want referendum in Telangana to decide if people of Telangana want Telangana.

    I agree.

    Enough of fake and selfish lip-service promises of Political parties.

    Enough of eyewash statements by Chidambaram.

    Enough of 'violence' inflicted on the students and agitators.

    Enough of the media's terrible coverage of historic movement in Telangana.

    WE NEED ACTION NOW! NOW!

    If Congress party wants to save face saying "Telangana is possible only through us", they should place a bill in an emergency session in the parliament and issue a party-wide notice to vote for it.

    If the Congress party wants to continue ignoring us, we should go to Delhi in trains-ful and get the attention of national media.

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  10. Sujai…Once again a great message, there is wide spread support in Hyderabad only difference btw rural and urban is, in urban people are generally reserved and it appear silent, but their support is vibrant in heart and mind.

    Most people I know are checking your blog, today few doctors I know attended Doctors Garjana, tomorrow many including myself are attending ABVP Ranabheri, more of this (Garjanas) should be done in Hyd, no single person I know regretted of not having IPL in Hyd.

    Other day people from Danam Nagender constituency went to his home to mount pressure for his resignation, immediately he came on TV criticizing Andhraseema MP’s current drama in Delhi…

    TG ringtones have become common or popular on TG supporters mobile phones…

    Keep up the great work…we'll get there buddy !!!

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  11. Great work again sujai.
    I say yes to referendum, but referendum only in 10 districts of Telangana. It is Telangana people who want to seperate, hence it makes sence to have referendum only in the Telangana region.
    If we can convince the Student JAC and political JAC in telangana region to ask for referendum, we can defenetely catch the national media attention also and pressurise the central govt to conduct a referendum.

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  12. Vamshi:
    Yes, the referendum has to be only in Telangana - I made it clear in the post.

    That's how a referendum is taken. It cannot be taken in entire Andhra Pradesh or entire India. It is taken only in the region that is in question - which is Telangana.

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  13. Things should not go unanswered or unnoticed anymore.Does involving more massmedia coverage help? Right now the fires are burning but as long as a common man is scared to join it we will get nowhere. Do keep every one one posted about the latest events happening around so more people can join in if they are anywhere around.Even if people want to join in,they are worried about the surrounding violence.More places other than the O.U Campus must be involved all over the city and the region.The other proffesionals from all over need to get involved too.I am a teacher and would like to know if there is anything that need be done other than just watching things go the Julius Caesar way for a movement. REACHING OUT TO MORE PLACES SEEMS THE WAY TO GO.THEY DONT UNDERSTAND,NOT BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO,BUT BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO.

    Just dont hold anyone ransom.People are scared because the momentum is getting violent by the day.PLEASE,DO NOT RESORT TO ANY VIOLENCE,VERBAL OR ACTION.

    Any suggestions are welcome,ON SPEARDING THE MOMENTUM.







    A FEW MONTHS AGO,I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THIS BUT HERE GOES,JAI TELANGANA,JAI JAI TELANGANA.

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  14. lavanya dyapa:

    I gave few suggestions to some of them yesterday.

    I was thinking of the longest human chain across Telangana - on a Sunday two weeks from now - between 11:30 and 11:45.

    Over 50 lakh people have to be moved - creating a world record. That will get attention round the world.

    The message will be simple:

    1. This is a people's movement.
    2. We are all supporting creation of Telangana.
    3. We are doing this to show our support because all other methods failed in India, legal, electoral, and democratic.

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  15. @ Sujai,
    Who starts a referendum and how? Can a pressure group have its say in a matter like this?
    Does a comman man have a say in this?
    Sorry, cant help asking more questions. Please bear with me :) Thanks for the information earlier.

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  16. @ Sujai,
    Who starts a referendum and how? Can a pressure group have its say in a matter like this?
    Does a comman man have a say in this?
    Sorry, cant help asking more questions. Please bear with me :) Thanks for the information earlier.

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  17. WHERE AND WHEN? WOULD LOVE TO SPREAD THE WORD AROUND.KEEP US POSTED. THANKS.

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  18. @lavanya dyapa

    me tooo. Even after Chidambaram statement on Dec-9, I hate the separate telangana because I was in the impression that it is political drama. I was so mad at Chidambaram and started searching about Telangana, and thanks to Wikipedia and Sujaiblog, my eyes are with truth.

    I too never thought I would say this, but now I am proud to say ......JAI TELANGAANA,,,, JAI JAI TELANGAANA ......

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  19. @Sujai,

    WHERE AND WHEN? WOULD LOVE TO SPREAD THE WORD AROUND.KEEP US POSTED. THANKS.

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  20. Green Star:

    Working on it. Will let you know soon if there is enough support.

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  21. @Sujai,

    Cool, I will start informing everyone, and I will do again once this is confirmed.

    If we make such huge human chain, its funny that Andhra leaders don't mind to say all those 50lakhs are naxals.

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  22. This will definitely work:


    The all-party Telangana Joint Action Committee decided on Friday to begin non-cooperation with the state if the Centre did not come up with a time-bound plan to create Telangana by January 28.
    The JAC will advise its district, panchayat and village units to stop paying taxes and electricity and water dues. Even bank loans and other dues to government agencies will not be paid.
    The move will add to the problems of the K Rosaiah government, as the state is already in a financial crisis. A state finance department source said on condition of anonymity that the Rs 40,200-crore state plan for 2009-10 might be downsized by about Rs 6,000 crore.

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  23. Hello All,

    Forming this longest human chain is the fantastic Idea (by Sujai) to get world wide attention in a non violent manner.

    This will create more awareness among Indians and as well as portray a more strong image of Telangana Movement, all over the world.

    We are 4 crores of Talanganites.
    It is THE BEST IDEA to exhibit our unity and resolve.

    telkinder

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  24. Sujai,

    The Human Chain is a great idea.

    Some icing on this cake:

    1. Make it a Sunday noon/post-noon and request RTC/ friendly private transport companies to run free buses to get people to the sites.

    2. Invite everyone including School students and employees, labor unions and common people.

    3. Co-ordinate this in atleast three major towns apart from Hyderabad (may be warangal etc).

    4. Create about 20-30 checkpoints along a long circle or path in the city and have the eldest start at the checkpost, with kids and young people go walking till they meet in chain with another checkpoint.

    5. Make it an exhibition or fair type of event with Telangana T-Shirts and Caps sold out ... free paper-badges saying 'Jai Telangana' that everyone can wear...

    6. Pamphlets with top 10 reasons why we need Telangana... ending with a small OATH by the participants to peacefully continue the movement.

    It is time SMS and MMS are put to the good use and right use... to celebrate Telangana.

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  25. Sujai,

    An addition to my above comment...

    Print in BOLD letters that 'Politicians and political party workers' ARE NOT ALLOWED.

    Also, put a strict NO to any and all speeches.

    Do you need dough for printing advertisements in newspapers?

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  26. Telangana Bidda:

    My brother and I have collected some funds recently when we made the stickers. I will ask when I need it. Thanks for the offer.

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  27. @ Sujai

    Referendum could be a double edged sword for Telangana. If centre allows for referendum in Telangana to decide the fate of Telangana then it may apply the same logic to Hyd and also conduct a separate referendum in Hyd to decide whether it wants to go with Telangana or stay separate. As per estimates of population in Hyd : Out of 85 lakhs total population , 30 lakhs Andhra people, 35 lakh Minority people are supposedly for a separate Hyd.

    @ kartikthum

    //I realize that they seem to be missing the point that they will actually get one more 'capital class' city for Telugus!//

    Really ,how much money did center promise to andhra to create a new 'capital class' city ? How long will it take for such a city to generate atleast 50% of revenue being generated by Hyd today ?
    If separation happens today Andhra state will get 60% of area but only 25% of state revenue.
    Don't Andhra people have the right to even worry about their future?

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  28. @ Vinay

    //Has any politician atleast got injured in this movement let alone sacrificing their life?//

    On a lighter note , Nagam Janardhan Reddy was thrashed in OU. Since that guy had a strong body he survived , a weaker man wouldn't have survived those blows.

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  29. lavanya dyapa:

    Who starts a referendum and how? Can a pressure group have its say in a matter like this?

    Indian Constitution allows referendum in the matters of big changes that affect the secular or democratic character of the Constitution, or taking away of fundamental rights, etc. According to 44th Amendment of Indian Constitution, 1978,

    “It is, therefore, proposed to provide that certain changes in the Constitution which would have the effect of impairing its secular or democratic character, abridging or taking away fundamental rights prejudicing or impeding free and fair elections on the basis of adult suffrage and compromising the independence of judiciary, can be made only if they are approved by the people of India by a majority of votes at a referendum in which at least fifty-one per cent of the electorate participate.”

    During the formation of the country, plebiscite (a form of referendum) took place in Junagarh, was promised in Kashmir, but never took place, was supposed to have been held in state of Hyderabad but was deemed unnecessary. This was all done before we got our Constitution.

    After that I don’t know of an instance where India has conducted referendums to decide the fate of states. Instead, Article 3 was used to decide the carving of states where the Parliament voted on it.

    As such, no precedent exists in India where referendum was used to decide the division of a state. Usually it is done in the Parliament.

    I am pushing for it because it is one of the most effective tools of democracy - going directly to the people to decide on an issue. Referendums are common practice in most Europe when deciding the fate of a certain region. Recently, a small referendum was held in a small place in Maharashtra to decide whether the local support the SEZ or not. Such referendums are quite common in US.

    Does a comman man have a say in this?

    When everything else fails, referendum is the best way to decide on an issue.

    There is no precedent for holding referendum in India to decide the fate of a region. The whole reason I am asking for it is to pressurize the Central Government to table it in the Parliament. It shows that we are quite open to being tested for our support. This is to tell India that we have an overwhelming support for our cause. As far as the Central Government is concerned, it is much better to table it in the Parliament and grant us statehood instead of taking it to the people – which might turn out to be expensive.

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  30. @ Sujai

    //Andhras will use skullduggery to manipulate the numbers to prove anything. If you doubt that, just take a look at Satyam scandal.//

    So ,a few Andhras are cheats ,does that prove that all andhras are cheats ? You should cut off all your professional and personal relationships with andhra people as you have proved that all of them are cheats.
    Is there an end to your hatred ?

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  31. Andhra, the Dalit Activist (of suppressing them in every way),

    Don't put words in other mouths and attack them.

    Sujai did not say ALL andhras are cheats.

    Never were ALL andhras blamed.

    There are a select few at the high level who keep perpetuating this "wealth eththipothala padhakam".

    And those are definitely capable of the vilest tricks.

    Is there no end to your nonsense?

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  32. @ Andhra:

    Unfortunately for you, the modern nations have not embraced the concept of city-states. Cities are considered natural growth of every region. They are not seen as independent entities. A UT or state of Hyderabad will be completely surrounded by Telangana and therefore is not viable if Telanganas do not cooperate. [Read what one commenter from wrote on this post on what UT means.]

    No rational man who has studied political histories would ever propose a referendum in Hyderabad. Though many Andhras have been clamoring for it, it does not make a case. I have written few posts on this topic – please take a look. If you are really serious about this, you can write to any observer, like Abdul Kalam, or Amartya Sen, and ask their opinion. They would tell you the same.

    In most countries, states are created to increase the number of cities. Depriving Telangana of Hyderabad would set a reverse trend. You are thinking very short term not thinking how it would unfold for you. A UT status for Hyderabad is quite retrograde. You are not realizing this. In your obsession to be independent of Telangana you are clamoring for separate status. You are not seeing the entire picture. UT status is not as romantic as you think it is. The city will be managed by the President. Most UTs in India like to become part of the mainstream politics and administration, not the other way round.

    it may apply the same logic to Hyd and also conduct a separate referendum in Hyd to decide whether it wants to go with Telangana or stay separate.

    Look at Indian history and read through it. Hyderabad has to join either Telangana or Andhra. Only in one case, that of Chandigarh, it allowed both regions to own it – making it clear that in twenty years it would go to Punjab. That happened as an exception, not the norm. The city was right on the border. The city was a completely new – one of the very few planned cities. It had no historical or cultural attachment to any region. Both the regions were quite OK to share it, hence it worked out.

    In our case, Telangana will not share it with Andhras, because of 53-year history. It does not trust Andhras. Hyderabad doesn’t have a border with Andhra. [Already discussed this in a post]

    [Contd…]

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  33. @ Andhra:

    As per estimates of population in Hyd : Out of 85 lakhs total population , 30 lakhs Andhra people, 35 lakh Minority people are supposedly for a separate Hyd.

    [Check you numbers. In your exuberance, you have been quoting inflated numbers. According to AP Human Development Report, the estimate for population of Hyderabad as of 2007 is 54 Lakhs. ]

    Your (Andhras) arguments on this topic are extremely duplicitous.

    Many Andhras readily concede that Telangana can take the old city while they retain the new city. They clearly indicate they have no interest in having Muslim-dominated regions within their city. Many Andhras readily deride Telangana language because it is corrupted by Urdu. Andhras have no prior history of living with Muslims. All their actions and gestures suggest they don’t understand them either.

    You have not made any efforts to integrate them into you or integrate yourself into them. Not only do you not understand them, you actually have a very low opinion of them, much lower opinion than what you have for fellow Telanganas.

    And yet, some of you rejoice when MIM asks for a UT/State status, not knowing what the historical context is. You talk of minorities as if you really care for them. Looking at your track record of treating Telanganas, no Muslim would be comfortable living in a region where you are going to dominate. Look at your history. I am not talking about you as an individual. Look at what Andhras did to Telanganas. And that happened in spite of the fact that Telanganas speak Telugu. What will your ‘Telugu Pride’ do to Muslims?

    I understand that Telanganas treatment of Muslims has not been great. But I assure you that Andhras treatment of Muslims will be 100 times worse.

    You have absolutely no idea that MIM’s gestures for UT status are completely different from yours. Your interests are purely materialistic - business opportunities, real estate, IT industry. Read history – read origins of MIM. And let me know where you both converge.

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  34. @ Sujai

    //A UT or state of Hyderabad will be completely surrounded by Telangana and therefore is not viable if Telanganas do not cooperate.//

    Telangana state will get maximum revenue share from HYD UT , they will be more than happy to cooperate.

    What is the case for referendum in Telangana ? Please don't say i have just proved that case!!Please tell me which experts have recommended referendum in Telangana.

    //Chandigarh was an exception ,not norm//
    The referendum in Hyd if it happens will be for joining Telangana or remaining UT , option of joining Andhra or common capital wont be there.

    //Andhras have no prior history of living with Muslims//

    LOL , there are muslims in many towns and villages in Andhra. They are in significant numbers in Vijayawada,Guntur,Kurnool,Nellore .


    //You talk of minorities as if you really care for them.//

    I care for them as much as I care for any Telanganite . In fact news reports say that MIM feels that Andhras are more secular than Telanganites. See what was published in Rediff.

    "MIM has traditionally been opposed to the division of Andhra Pradesh and formation of Telangana state on the ground that separate Telangana state will be more fertile ground for the BJP and other 'communal forces' and the people from Andhra and Rayalseema regions were 'more secular' than those of Telangana. "

    Link : http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/01/andhra-crisis-telangana-muslims-back-separate-statehood.htm

    And why are you afraid of referendum in Hyd , since as you minorites dont trust andhras , they will vote for Telangana , numbers are in your favour. Andhras will be silenced permanently.

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  35. Ah! The Dalit Champion Andhra has also declared himself Defender of Muslims!

    .. and we all know what he means by *care*, gives an entirely new meaning to it!

    I'm sure he will continue the Andhra pograms against dalits and muslims!

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  36. @ Idler

    Everyone knows how your Telangana DORAs treated Dalits like slaves .
    We also know how many muslims were killed in riots done by hindu fanatics in Telangana .

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  37. Andhra,
    you look back at your numbers again.
    But your idea od Hyderabad tell me if it includes the city or "Greater Hyderabad"?
    My reply depends on that.

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  38. @ Sravan

    My view is on "Greater Hyderabad" .

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  39. Andhra
    We also know how many muslims were killed in riots done by hindu fanatics in Telangana .
    What riots are you talking about? Those planned by your own Andhra Nadendla to steal power from NTR???

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  40. Well
    Andhra,
    Then there needs to be a resolution in the respective districts to know if they still want to concede their sub-urban regions to Hyderabad as UT.

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  41. @ Sravan

    If Andhra Nadendla planned riots , were cases filed against him ? did courts convict him.

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  42. @ Sravan

    //Then there needs to be a resolution in the respective districts to know if they still want to concede their sub-urban regions to Hyderabad as UT.//

    Are you asking entire Andhra pradesh state whether they want to concede Telangana. Same logic will apply for sub urban regions in Greater Hyd also. They dont have to take permission from their districts. The sub urban regions will express their opinion in referendum.

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  43. Andhra,
    Are you asking entire Andhra pradesh state whether they want to concede Telangana. Same logic will apply for sub urban regions in Greater Hyd also. They dont have to take permission from their districts. The sub urban regions will express their opinion in referendum.
    Just the way referendum for telangana has to be made.
    There is no question of hyderbad or warangal or karimnagar or Nizamabad.
    It is just telangana.
    I think you clearly understand what referendum for telangana means.

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  44. @ Sravan

    So far referendum has not been conducted in India on the question of creation of new states or UT.

    My point is if Telangana presses for referendum in Telangana , MIM ,settlers forum , Coastal andhra,seema leaders etc will press for a referendum in Hyd. Centre will have to accept both referendums or reject both.

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  45. Andhra,
    By and far what you see today, there is no samaihyawadam in Hyderabad.
    So why do you think that situation will arise at all.
    You views are just illusions and phantasms.

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  46. Andhra,
    Even settler's forum is for separate telangana. And they declared there are very few and no violent attacks on them.
    Moreover they are asking the Andhra to stop fighting for samaihyandhra.
    They know where to align if telangana forms. And definitely it is not UT for Hyderabad.

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  47. And more,
    UT's are never created by referendums. That is what history says. And even people in present UT's they want either a status of state or amalgamation with the surrounding states.
    In india's UTs were made for certain reasons and none amount to a reason of some separate state separation.
    Your idea is too farfetching.

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  48. Andhra,
    Do you know who will first resist formation of Hyderabad UT. The leaders, because as UT local leaders will loose their prominence in politics. They become answerable to some body who is not democratically elected from their region.
    Again Hyderabad is a fast growing city. Union will simply deny because it would not sustain the growth of the city if it becomes constrained by becoming a UT.

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  49. Andhra,
    creation of UT will unleash a very big controversy with in the city. It will be vertically divided in regional and religious levels. And do you want that to happen???

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  50. Moreover,
    Comparing a referendum for state and that for a city is a mad metaphor. They are not in any case logical.
    If at all there is any case for UT that is certainly not referendum. This will create a very bad precedent. Most vested interests in present metro's will cry for a separation from a region.
    This will be bad for the city as well as the state.

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  51. Well what are the reasons you can put forward for the case of hyderabad as UT??

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  52. And guys,
    In previous post these were the comments and replies of Andhra....
    @Andhra

    //last 13 districts as per HPI
    Andhra - 6 /13
    Telangana- 7/10 "

    Not too much difference between Telangana and Andhra in terms of deprived districts. //


    Kiran Kamisetti replied,

    I do not know how different brains works differently.

    If I compare 7/10 with 6/13 I see big difference. Andhra has less than half and Telangana has more than half. hehehehehe ......Looks like you are comparing only with 7 with 6 but forgetting the 10 and 13.


    And now what
    Andhra replies is JOKE OF THE CENTURY:

    @ Kiran

    //Looks like you are comparing only with 7 with 6 but forgetting the 10 and 13.//

    So your concern is not that there are more backward districts in Telangana, your concern is there are more forward districts in Andhra.

    To extrapolate and summarize,
    When Andhra adds fractions he is gonna do like this:
    (3/4 + 1/4)= (3+1)/(4/4)= 4/8= 1/2

    Andhra you are a new age mathematician.
    Can you name your arthimetic theory man???

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  53. @ Sravan

    //By and far what you see today, there is no samaihyawadam in Hyderabad.//

    That is because Telangana goons have clearly told many times that they will attack people who are for samaikyavadam. They are threatening peoples businesses and lives .Under this threat who can openly say samaikyavadam in Hyd.

    //Even settler's forum is for separate telangana//

    Settlers are fearing for their lives. More than 80 cases of attacks have been filed in Cyberabad area.

    //UT's are never created by referendums.//

    States are also not created by referendums.

    //It will be vertically divided in regional and religious levels.//

    Those lines are already there , making hyd as UT will neither strenghten nor weaken those lines.

    //what are the reasons you can put forward for the case of hyderabad as UT//

    1. Hyd was developed using taxes from both andhra and Telangana regions ,it can't be given solely to telangana.

    2. Andhra Settlers will not be safe after all this hatred. They will become punching bags for any group that wants to score political points and state will not be acting fairly because it will loose votes of Telanganites. (Example : MNS attacks on norhties in Mumbai and response of Maharastra govt)

    3. Many andhra capitalists may shift their businesses elsewhere slowing down growth of Hyd.

    //Can you name your arthimetic theory man???//

    My theory name is 'Telangana theory of hate propaganda based on fabricated statistics'

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  54. My theory name is 'Telangana theory of hate propaganda based on fabricated statistics'
    theory that will defy all the rational and intelligent logic....
    That is what your kind of arthimetic prove.

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  55. Hyd was developed using taxes from both andhra and Telangana regions ,it can't be given solely to telangana.

    Most of it is developed by selling lands around Hyderabad, that belong to telangana districts. Moreover Hyderabad as a district never existed before 1978.
    If any body has any major claim then it is Rangareddy dist.of telangana.
    Revenues of Hyderabad are utilized in developing andhra regions today more than telangana.
    Taxes are meant to be the duties of the people. They are not andhra or telangana's investments. Taxes are spent on yearly basis and AP always had debt budget since decades. The debt is filled by selling lands and property or from Union funds or from Foreign and Domestic Loans.
    Your argument is very naive.

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  56. Andhra Settlers will not be safe after all this hatred. They will become punching bags for any group that wants to score political points and state will not be acting fairly because it will loose votes of Telanganites. (Example : MNS attacks on norhties in Mumbai and response of Maharastra govt)

    Attacks in Mumbai are not attacks in Hyderabad.
    Your argument is pale.
    Andhra settlers forum ahs already declared and indeed made a demonstration declaring it is for telangana. Your argument is as I told before a phantasm. No proof. you cannot just say some goons forced them. It is completely devoid of any rationalization.

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  57. 3. Many andhra capitalists may shift their businesses elsewhere slowing down growth of Hyd.
    If that is that easy they would have already done that years before.
    They know where there is opportunity. Simply being in telangana or AP does not create opportunities. It is the city structure, economy and environment that offers opportunity for businesses.
    Your argument is again baseless and only trying to pull strings based on straw man arguments.

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  58. Those lines are already there , making hyd as UT will neither strenghten nor weaken those lines.

    Hyderabad unlike any city in India including Delhi is famous for Communal tolerance. This is clearly evident from Telangana and Hyderabad cultures that are syncretism of Muslim and Hindu cultures.
    Just few politically motivated unrests in the past is not the evidence for that.
    And you think the muslims in Hyderabad have no roots or connections with districts? Then you are mistaken. They all have.

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  59. Those lines are already there , making hyd as UT will neither strenghten nor weaken those lines..
    We in india certainly do have that kind of lines but they are not very strong as you assume. A separation of state will not give any upperhand to any of the community. Whereas separation of the city can actually create that opportunity for vested political interests to evoke sentiments.
    Hyderabad as part of telangana is safer.
    Your argument contradicts your own assertion.

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  60. My opinion on this:
    Referendum has to be approved by the parliament. It should be conducted only after 2 years from now. That will give ample time for public to evaluate the pros and cons of the choices available.
    Currently, the public is in a Telangana sugar high and there can be a tendency to vote in a frenzy. There is no point in ruing later as this change is irreversible. Currently, there is no alternate voice in Telangana. Conducting referendum now would be like allowing only one party to campaign and conduct elections.
    It is a glaring anomaly that there is no leader, no voice at the moment for united AP in Telangana. Referendum shall not be conducted in this atmosphere.

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  61. @ Sravan

    You guys want the crown jewel of Hyd which the major money spinner entirely for yourself ,ignoring the taxes and other contributions made from Andhra region.That is what this Telangana agitation is about.

    See Land,excise ,sales revenue collections of Hyderabad in 1956 & 2001 as % of total AP collections :

    1956 2001
    Hyd - 12% 65%
    Telangana -36% 10%
    Andhra - 51% 25%

    It is clear the surpluses and taxes from both regions went heavily into Hyd because of our capital centric growth policies followed by our government.

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  62. @Manohar:

    Referendum has to be approved by the parliament. It should be conducted only after 2 years from now. That will give ample time for public to evaluate the pros and cons of the choices available.
    Currently, the public is in a Telangana sugar high and there can be a tendency to vote in a frenzy.


    In two years the frenzy would have peaked, and Mr. Manohar et al would argue that we should wait for another 2 years, and so on. Another delaying tactic. Not agreeable to us.

    Currently, there is no alternate voice in Telangana. Conducting referendum now would be like allowing only one party to campaign and conduct elections.

    You should take lessons in logic 101. The whole idea of referendum is to see if there is an overwhelming majority for a certain idea, not to elect parties or politicians to see if one can accommodate more parties. You have to campaign for an idea or against it, not for a political party or its manifesto. Hope you understand what referendum means.

    It is a glaring anomaly that there is no leader, no voice at the moment for united AP in Telangana.

    It was a glaring anomaly that there was not a single Jew in 1944 who wanted to be with Nazi Germany.

    Referendum shall not be conducted in this atmosphere.

    Look at history and see where referendums are held. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking.

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  63. @ Andhra:

    Andhra Settlers will not be safe after all this hatred. They will become punching bags for any group that wants to score political points and state will not be acting fairly because it will loose votes of Telanganites.

    Andhra settlers who feel they will not be safe have a choice. They can leave Telangana. Most others Andhra settlers feel completely safe in Telangana. They will continue to stay in Telangana.

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  64. @ Sujai

    //Andhra settlers who feel they will not be safe have a choice. They can leave Telangana.//

    Who the hell are you to tell us to leave. We will stay in Hyd , we will fight for United AP , we will fight for Hyd as UT ,through constitutional means. We are not afraid of Telangana fanatics and naxals.

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  65. Calm down, Andhra. Read what he said before jumping all guns. If anybody does not feel safe at any place they will leave that place. Nobody will trap them. Sujai has explained about Hyd being UT specifically addressed to you. There is also a post dedicated to this and quite a discussion happened over it. If you want to debate, put your points.

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  66. @ Andhra:

    Who the hell are you to tell us to leave.

    You are the one hell bent on proving that settlers are not going to be safe in Andhra though there are no cases where such targeting of Andhras has happened. Even if there were some random events, those events are quiet small incidents compared to what happens to settlers in Bangalore or Mumbai.

    In spite of our assurances, you keep insisting that Andhra settlers will be unsafe. In such a situation, I recommend you move out of Telangana.

    We will stay in Hyd , we will fight for United AP , we will fight for Hyd as UT ,through constitutional means. We are not afraid of Telangana fanatics and naxals.

    Good. Keep up the fight. And we will continue fighting the united AP. In the whole fight there will definitely be some incidents of violence. Even your fight for Andhra State out of Madras State involved many riots. Even the most peaceful movement on the earth, the Indian Independence Movement, involved rioting.

    Once the division happens, normalcy will be restored. To say that you fear your safety even after normalcy is restored is a product of your delusional obsession with denying Telangana one of its cities.

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  67. It is clear the surpluses and taxes from both regions went heavily into Hyd because of our capital centric growth policies followed by our government.

    Your numbers proove that more land was sold in hyderabad after merger.
    Do your analysis again.
    Sorry I forgot that your arthimetic is alien to earth.
    Take it easy then.

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  68. And more,
    Hyderabad in 1956 has grown several times. Telangana lands(outside hyderabad)in 1956 are now counted as hyderabad.
    Do you see now who contributed for Hyderbad more???????
    I think there is little arthimetic here you can understand

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  69. In two years the frenzy would have peaked, and Mr. Manohar et al would argue that we should wait for another 2 years, and so on. Another delaying tactic. Not agreeable to us.

    'Not agreeable to us'! Dude, you talk like KCR. Do you even realize that there is an alternate view point? All I am telling is that both the interested parties should agree on some date which is practical and workable to both.

    You should take lessons in logic 101. The whole idea of referendum is to see if there is an overwhelming majority for a certain idea, not to elect parties or politicians to see if one can accommodate more parties. You have to campaign for an idea or against it, not for a political party or its manifesto. Hope you understand what referendum means.
    There need not be overwhelming majority. Even a 51-49 vote sometimes is understood as popular mood. I am talking about campaigning for united AP and not for any political party.

    It was a glaring anomaly that there was not a single Jew in 1944 who wanted to be with Nazi Germany.
    Why do you bring these silly comparisons all the time? So we are Germans and you are jews is it? We will create a separate friggin enclave north of Godavari and all the die hard separatists will be transported there. Everyone can be happy.

    Look at history and see where referendums are held. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking.
    Request you to do the same.

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  70. @ Sujai

    //In the whole fight there will definitely be some incidents of violence.//

    Don't assume that we will just silently accept the violence inflicted on us. We will reply back in same coin.

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  71. @ Manohar:

    Not agreeable to us'! Dude, you talk like KCR. Do you even realize that there is an alternate view point?

    So why don’t we test this alternate view of yours in a Referendum. The referendum will can have two choices – separate Telangana or united Andhra. If a majority in Telangana votes for united Andhra, I will stop talking about Telangana ever again.

    All I am telling is that both the interested parties should agree on some date which is practical and workable to both.

    Which both parties? We don’t recognize you. We are saying loud and clear, we don’t want to be party to anything where the politicians of Andhras have a role to play in the fate of Telanganas. Whenever we had anything to do with Andhras we were cheated. We don’t want to be cheated, we don’t want to be bullied. Engaging Andhras in this issue is like asking a bully if they want to be accommodating. We want to escape that bullying, that’s why we want to create separate state. Hope you understand that you incessant sermons only make us feel that you want to continue your hegemony in Telangana.

    There need not be overwhelming majority. Even a 51-49 vote sometimes is understood as popular mood. I am talking about campaigning for united AP and not for any political party.

    Who is stopping you for campaigning for united AP in Telangana. You have been talking about Samaikyandhra for a while now. Why don’t you start doing the same in Telangana? [Can French campaign for France in Algeria? – I am changing the analogy for you. This is to tell you that we see you as rulers – not equals.]

    We will create a separate friggin enclave north of Godavari and all the die hard separatists will be transported there. Everyone can be happy.

    That is what we fear. I wouldn’t want to wait for that day to happen, hence the separation before we reach that stage. Hence we implore upon India to separate us.

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  72. @ Andhra:

    Don't assume that we will just silently accept the violence inflicted on us. We will reply back in same coin.

    I really like that attitude. This is India. It belongs to all of us. Why should anyone tell us where we can live or where we cannot live? If there are some goons out to get us, we will fight them. I am with you on that.

    Now, the question is: Since you know you can fight back even in Telangana, why are you unnecessarily creating these false fears that you will not be safe? Why stop a genuine movement to take care of selfish and narrow interests which are confined to real estate, business opportunities, etc? Why deprive people of their water, their statehood, their cities, knowing very well you will safe in those cities, and where necessary you will fight back?

    I live in Bangalore. Nobody can ask me to get out of this place - and where necessary I will fight back. I will continue to live here as long as I consider this is a safe city, as long as I can fight back. The day it becomes unsafe, I will move out. Never will I fight for a separate Bangalore away from Karnataka or its regions.

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  73. Sujai, Shravan,

    45 lakhs settlers in all of Telangana have formed a front and have been fully supportive of Telangana since Oct 2008.

    You can safely ignore any isolated voices. Don't bother responding to them.

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  74. @ Andhra:

    Telangana state will get maximum revenue share from HYD UT , they will be more than happy to cooperate.

    Where do you take your history lessons? Why will Telangana share revenues from a Hyderabad UT? Why will UT share its revenues with other states? What are you talking about?

    What is the case for referendum in Telangana ?

    The case for referendum is simple. The current democratic, electoral and legal institutions were not able to resolve this issue though it has come up many times in the last 53 years. Since none of the current institutions are not able to make a decision since nobody is able to clearly make a case whether Telangana wants a separate state or not, the best way to resolve this is to go for a referendum.

    And why are you afraid of referendum in Hyd , since as you minorites dont trust andhras , they will vote for Telangana , numbers are in your favour. Andhras will be silenced permanently.

    It’s not fear. It sets a wrong precedent. Every city in India has more immigrants than the locals. If cities get to chose, every city will become independent depriving the very region which contributes to its growth. That’s when the regions will ask for lands back to their districts. It’s an untenable argument. I have already discussed this at lengths on this blog on other posts.

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  75. So why don’t we test this alternate view of yours in a Referendum. The referendum will can have two choices – separate Telangana or united Andhra. If a majority in Telangana votes for united Andhra, I will stop talking about Telangana ever again.

    Thanks.

    Which both parties? We don’t recognize you. We are saying loud and clear, we don’t want to be party to anything where the politicians of Andhras have a role to play in the fate of Telanganas. Whenever we had anything to do with Andhras we were cheated. We don’t want to be cheated, we don’t want to be bullied. Engaging Andhras in this issue is like asking a bully if they want to be accommodating. We want to escape that bullying, that’s why we want to create separate state. Hope you understand that you incessant sermons only make us feel that you want to continue your hegemony in Telangana.

    You may not recognize me, but Govt of India does. My family has vote in Hyderabad for the last 10 years. When I said both parties, I am talking about anti-separatists (hmmm!) in Telangana and not about people in Seemandhra.
    If separate Telangana forms, I will call Telangana my home!

    Who is stopping you for campaigning for united AP in Telangana. You have been talking about Samaikyandhra for a while now. Why don’t you start doing the same in Telangana? [Can French campaign for France in Algeria? – I am changing the analogy for you. This is to tell you that we see you as rulers – not equals.]

    I have some T friends who are for separation and some even from interior Telangana who have different opinions about separation. People are scared to come out and express their views in this atmosphere. Even politicians, for that matter are scared.

    That is what we fear. I wouldn’t want to wait for that day to happen, hence the separation before we reach that stage. Hence we implore upon India to separate us.

    I am not surprised, you gave a serious response to that also!

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  76. @Manohar:

    If separate Telangana forms, I will call Telangana my home!

    Good. We are on the same page now.

    People are scared to come out and express their views in this atmosphere. Even politicians, for that matter are scared.

    Referendum will settle all that. Since nobody knows what you voted for, these people can vote against separation. The results will tell.

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  77. Referendum will settle all that. Since nobody knows what you voted for, these people can vote against separation. The results will tell.

    But atmosphere is not right for a referendum now. The day when supporters of united AP can freely express their opinion in Telangana, the day when supporters and opposers of separation can respect each other's opinion, that day we can conduct referendum.
    Atleast, that is what I have seen regarding gay rights/ property tax referendums in US.

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  78. @ Sujai

    //Since you know you can fight back even in Telangana, why are you unnecessarily creating these false fears that you will not be safe?//

    These are not false fears . 80 cases of violence against settlers have been registered in Cyberabad area.Not to mention attacks on film industry. Just because we have the courage to fight doesnt mean we want violence. I feel settlers wont be safe in Telangana state and many settlers agree with me. Now you can dismiss them as irrational fear , now as long as settlers have fears ,their families in Andhra will bring pressure on andhra leaders to get Hyd as UT if separation is inevitable.

    //Where do you take your history lessons? Why will Telangana share revenues from a Hyderabad UT? //

    5-8 years UT formula was first brought up by centre through back channels. In this context UT means revenue share with between Hyd, Telangana,Andhra.

    //It sets a wrong precedent... If cities get to chose, every city will become independent depriving the very region which contributes to its growth.//

    Telangana also sets a wrong precedent. Regions which contain capital city will try to become independent depriving the regions which have contributed to growth of capital.

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  79. Telangana also sets a wrong precedent. Regions which contain capital city will try to become independent

    Telangana state was existing before. The bloodsucking Andhras arm-twisted the center to forcibly annex Telangana. That was a wrong precedent. This will set it right.

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  80. @ Roja

    //The bloodsucking Andhras arm-twisted the center to forcibly annex Telangana.//

    Now Naxal Telanganites are arm twisting center to steal Hyderabad from Andhras

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  81. Andhra:

    Telangana also sets a wrong precedent. Regions which contain capital city will try to become independent depriving the regions which have contributed to growth of capital.

    I agree with you on this.

    We have to be careful when we set this precedent so that other regions don’t take away capital cities after they are developed just because they don’t want to share the capital city with other regions.

    Andhras separated from Madras State only based on fears, not actual experiences. They contested they will dominated be by Tamils because they are in majority, well-represented, privileged and more literate.

    But Telanganas also had same fears that about Andhras. However, those fears were set aside by bringing in PROMISES. Telangana joined Andhra Pradesh with conditions and promises. It was not an unconditional merger. Now, Telangana has actual experiences, of 53 years of continuous record of marginalization, discrimination and domination, resulting in breaking up of all agreements, accords, promises, and even legal verdicts.

    Telangana becomes an exception because the protections, safeguards, agreements to protect its interests were nullified by Andhras over 53 years. That is the only reason why it should be allowed to breakup even if the capital city is going with that region. It is not a case of privileged section trying to break away but exactly the opposite. When a region separates taking away the capital city it is generally assumed that the region that has capital city is privileged. Not the case in Telangana. Telangana is the deprived region; the big list of broken agreements and promises stands testament to this.

    The only way Andhra would have made a case against Telangana was if they had actually lived up to the promises, if Telangana was indeed the dominating region, if Telangana was actually privileged. When Andhras take away our waters it is not actually helping Andhras make a case. When Andhras steal jobs of Telangana in their own region, it is not actually helping Andhras make a case.

    In fact, we don’t have to go through the entire storyline to establish our case. We have a case to separate just on one topic – breach of trust – the marriage contract has been breached. We are the aggrieved party. We are not the privileged party.

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  82. Telangana also sets a wrong precedent. Regions which contain capital city will try to become independent depriving the regions which have contributed to growth of capital.

    Yes, that is synonymous when you say HYD should be made UT,
    To separate hyd from Telangana the very region that has contributed to growth of HYD the past 400 years.

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  83. //
    5-8 years UT formula was first brought up by centre through back channels. In this context UT means revenue share with between Hyd, Telangana,Andhra.//

    Any one know why he always talks about something which is not from official voice or news papers?

    Andhra, I too did get some info from Sonia through back channels that Telangana will be formed with HYD capital, and KG basin, Vijaz revinew will be shared between states. Are you happy now ?


    //now as long as settlers have fears ,their families in Andhra will bring pressure on andhra leaders to get Hyd as UT if separation is inevitable.//

    He always poses as 'The Saviour or Settlers in HYD' and he do not care about other settlers in other T areas like 60K settlers in Nizamabad. All he wants is HYD.

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  84. To andhra telugu people who are calling telangana Telugu as impure.

    I am can give many examples of how much urdu is there in your so called pure telugu
    example: 1. jarimana vidhinchaaru (originated from Jurmana)
    2. haazaru ayyaru (originated from Haazir)
    3. even your last name Choudhury is originated from Urdu. this word means a person who used to colect taxes and 1/4th part (Chowtha) used to go to him and thats how they became rich.
    4. the very "asalu" without which there is no pure Telugu is originate from Urdu (from the word Asal or asli)
    5. theermanam "amalu" chesaaru. The word "amalu" originated from urdu word "amal" meaning to put into use.

    there is a whole section of wikipedia (telugu) which says umpteen number of telugu words originated from Urdu which are currently in use in the your chaste pure telugu....

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  85. That was great Anonymous.

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  86. 1. Say NO to consensus
    2. Say NO to political parties
    3. Say YES to referendum

    These very ideas seem like you are a hardcore fanatic with potential to become a terrorist in the future. Silly you if everyone starts having referendums for all issues there is no need for Indian constitution. Guys like you should be bought to trial for going against the system like in China. Otherwise in the name of freedom of speech you are poisoning peoples minds.

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  87. Kamal,

    If you like China, you can move there. Nobody is stopping you.

    You are a naxalite, hell-bent on imposing Chinese rules on India. You would be gotten rid of in a fake encounter!

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  88. Andhra moron, I am against Telangana cause, read my post again you sucker.

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  89. @ Kamal

    Someone used my name to abuse you . I am original andhra.

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  90. Kamal,
    Take a course in school level Social Sciences again.
    A referendum is not a naxal ideology. It is one of a long list of democratic methods through which people can express their wish on critical issues.
    And if you think telangana is silly issue then take a chill pill and go home, take rest. ANy way it is silly for you. You need not comment here with your doubts and rants here, if you think it is silly.

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  91. really feel sad for the people of Kurnool and surroundings. I am not from there but i heard from some one that they had to sell 100 acres to buy 200 sy yards in Hyderabad, as they felt this was more secure investment. Only if the state capital remained in Kurnool, he would have never dreamt of doing this. He is now being threatened by T gangs , with the "bhago" statement. I am yet to see any "real" T agitators, and if they are real , they should drag these terrosists in the mask of politicansto the streets and demonstrate to the entire AP that they are not with these leaders and theri fight is genuine and separate from the one that is being highlighted. sadly, i only see such irrational agitations every day.

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  92. Raj kumar,
    you are worried about those people who have 100 acres of land and are able to buy 200 sq yards in Hyderabad(I don't think that is 200 sq yards you missed a zero there).
    We are worried about telangana people who hold few acres and are willing to sell that and work as daily labor in hyderabad/mumbai/dubai.

    Your friend should be happy because he need not sell his land in Kurnool. Once telangana forms Kurnool will mostly be andhra's capital and his land will be crores worth,

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  93. I am not sure how on earth are politicians allowed to make fake promises to the poor labourers of telangana that they can only improve their lives with a separate state.
    History shows that the poor were robbed by the nizam and since the formation of the state, it was the doras who robbed the poor . Please refer to all the Naxalite fights and gaddars agitation. They were always against the native doras in telangana and not against people from coastal ap who ce for livelyhood. Even untill recently the communists bhooportam targetted lands owned by telangana natives but not any body else.
    All of a sudden , every body in telangana seems to remember that they have been exploited by"settlers" . It is nothing but a mere jealousy by a few lazy politicians who are always in the hunt for soft targets and survive by threatening them.
    It is a shame that central government employees I'm Hyderabad are being targetted mobs for money.

    Sadly, I don't think any one in this blog realises how the monies are being raised for several street level jac meetings. It is pretty obvious that small businesses are being demanded to offer protection money. Imagine a small mess owner having shell 15 k for theses hooligans.

    Also , do people really believe that all telangana residents apreciate the current fiasco? It is essential that we need to come out of this denial mode and recognize far superior and important issues and dela with them.

    No poor person in telangana is hurt by any other person from AP and please do not create myths and come out to the reality.

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  94. //History shows that the poor were robbed by the nizam and since the formation of the state, it was the doras who robbed the poor .//

    Doras are long gone. History also shows Telangana was robbed by Andhra, check the background and fate of 'Gentlemen Agreement', five point formula, six point formula, GO 610, GO36 etc.

    //Please refer to all the Naxalite fights and gaddars agitation.//

    If I didn't read wrongly before, gaddar and many other fought for Saperate telangana in 1969 agitation, when govt open fired and killed over 360, they couldn't win the govt in that fight so joined the Naxal movement.

    //It is nothing but a mere jealousy by a few lazy politicians who are always in the hunt for soft targets//

    You are right, like KCR and others used this sentiment for there political gains. But not all Telangana people are fools to follow them blindly. For example, I hate KCR but I want Telangana. At the same them didn't your Andhra leaders kept quite in last elections when there party promised for Telangana, aren't they know they do not like it? So how come they accepted that time and not now? Do they think they can fool Telangana for there party political gains?

    //Imagine a small mess owner having shell 15 k for theses hooligans. //

    We are sorry, this is happening, few people always try to take advantage of situations, they are every where in the world. But I (many have expressed the same in this blog) strongly do not agree with them.

    //It is essential that we need to come out of this denial mode and recognize far superior and important issues and dela with them.//

    Can you name few issues and the solutions? We believe many can be solved easily by separating, as Govt. records clearly showing that Telangana(with out Telangana) raising major share of taxes in AP's total revenue, and we believe a big share of that tax is forwarded to use in Andhra/Seema. We can avoid this by separating. If you think I am wrong then you can provide sources links to show the revenew region wise and we can debate on that. And Telangana will be well developed if we use our tax money entirely in Telangana. That is possible only with separate telangana.

    //No poor person in telangana is hurt by any other person from AP and please do not create myths and come out to the reality.//

    How can you sure about this? See <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telangana#Separate_Telangana_state_movement">this link</a>, jobs section. As per Girglaini Commission, there are two lak non locals working illegally in Telangana area, if this is not happeend then 2lak of our telangana people might have got the jobs. What happened to GO610, didn't it also saying Andhra's are stolen jobs from Telangana? Isn't mean an poor person in telangana hurt by Andhra?

    Wakeup man, read some news and history. No all 4crores of Telangana people are fools to fight for there rights.

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  95. ****How can you sure about this? See <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telangana#Separate_Telangana_state_movement">this link</a>, jobs section. As per Girglaini Commission, there are two lak non locals working illegally in Telangana area, if this is not happeend then 2lak of our telangana people might have got the jobs. What happened to GO610, didn't it also saying Andhra's are stolen jobs from Telangana? Isn't mean an poor person in telangana hurt by Andhra?******
    2 lakh illegel jobs. Oh my god.
    That means 10 lakh telangana people had to suffer. NAd this for atleast two generations.Given that each family if given bettr opportunity would have produced two younger generation who would have grown up to be a healthy and useful and educated work resource, then telangana lost livelihood for about 50-60 lakh people and remember the customer base we can see in this 60 lakh people that would have encourage more business in telangana and helped more people

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  96. Sujai,

    here are some usful information. May be you already have this information. This is from government of INDIA ( panchayat raj and planning commision of india)

    1. Telangana backwardness on central govt report
    Go to http://planningcommission.gov.in/ (planning commission of India)> click search button and type “A Study of Andhra Pradesh” >open 4th document from top…



    2. Backward Regions Grant Fund Districts per Ministry of Panchayat Raj (Government of India ).
    http://brgf.gov.in/brgfdistricts.asp
    http://brgf.gov.in/brgfdistricts.html

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