Sunday, December 20, 2009

Telangana XXI: Status of Hyderabad

No matter how much I discuss this topic it comes to forefront as the topic of contention between Telanganas and Andhras. The Telangana separation issue has now become Who-Gets-Hyderabad issue. In my previous article ‘Hyderabad a Union Territory?’ I discussed why a city belonging to a region should not be seen as distinct entity from that region. A city is supposed to invite settlers but that should not lead to settlers separating the city from that region. Such a precedent is ominous for development of any city on this planet. That shall usher a new trend in xenophobia where no city will now allow settlers.

Here I discuss few other aspects that are discussed regarding status of Hyderabad.

Right now people of Telangana are poised to attain statehood. This fight for separate state started in 1950s itself and has taken fifty years to attain. Telangana was one of the three regions of Nizam State, also called Hyderabad State. One of the prime jewels of this region was Hyderabad city. When Telangana merged with Andhra State to form Andhra Pradesh, it was decided to treat each of these regions distinctly, though they were in the same state. Those agreements were flouted much to the chagrin of Telangana people who felt betrayed. This saga of betrayal is a long and protracted one. Telangana people have launched a people’s movement, democratic movement, legal movement and electoral movement, all of which failed.

The current issue of contention is city of Hyderabad. Who should get it? Should Telangana get it? Should Andhras get it? Or should Hyderabad be converted into independent state or union territory?

This is not the first time this happened in India where the ownership of capital city had come into question. Gujaratis launched a major protest to get Mumbai for themselves. There were many Gujaratis in Mumbai and it was a cosmopolitan city. The locals may even have been in minority in that city. However, the city was retained by Maharashtra.

Right now, there are many cities in Andhra region, like Nellore, Rajamundry, Vijaywada, Vizag, or Kakinada. Nobody discusses the fate of these cities because it is easily concluded that these cities belong to Andhras. But they do discuss the state of Hyderabad, because rest of Andhra sees Hyderabad as their capital city first and city of Telangana second, while Telangana people see it as their city first and capital city second.

It’s very clear now for everyone why there is so much opposition to formation of Telangana. Samaikhya-Andhra agitation can be easily called We-won’t-give-you-Hyderabad agitation. It is no longer a cloak and dagger affair. Everyone understands this now - Andhra doesn’t want to give up Hyderabad to Telangana. They are going to fight this tooth and nail. If they don’t get it, they don’t want anyone to get it – they would then want to convert Hyderabad into a Union Territory or a new State.

So there are many claims made by Andhras to possess this city. There are three important ones.

#1. Andhra people paid for taxes that build this city

To start with, let’s get this clear. Hyderabad was not an empty city in 1950s. The city was already a famous city in the world of a well known kingdom having its own airline. Hyderabad’s Salarjung Museum was a world-renowned museum, and many landmarks of the city like Hussain Sagar, Charminar, etc, were already built by then. City was served by many man-made water tanks in the nearby lying areas outside the city. Osmania University was a very big university. Hyderabad city was the affluent, cosmopolitan, and cultural capital of that region.

Hyderabad also grew on various fronts after it became capital of Andhra Pradesh. The initial growth came about because of Center’s interest to create strategic cities in India, and Hyderabad got its share of institutes and infrastructure. The growth in the last twenty years has been tremendous but that has been the case for many other cities in India due the onset of liberalization policies in the country.

No doubt Andhra, Rayalaseema and Telangana people contributed to the taxes that were used by the state government to fund the growth of Hyderabad city. But then, every other city in Andhra region was also funded by the state government which took taxes not only from Andhras, but also from people of Rayalaseema and Telangana. At any point of time, taxes from all regions are used to build various cities with the hope that the cities in turn contribute to the growth of those regions.

While it is true that taxes were collected from the entire state to build the city of Hyderabad, it is also true that Center gave lot of funds to each state to develop their capital cities and infrastructure. That money is collected from people all over India. If Andhras can claim the city just because they paid taxes, should all those Indians living outside Andhra Pradesh also get a part of Hyderabad now? As a corollary, should Telangana people lay claim to the cities of Andhra like Vizag, Rajamundry, Kakinada, Vijayawada, Nellore because they contributed to taxes that were used to build those cities?

During the time of British Empire, only few major cities were built in India. The taxes were collected from various parts of India. Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai, though they currently belong to Maharashtra, West Bengal and Tamil Nadu, were built using taxes collected from people across Indian subcontinent, including those people residing or migrated to current Pakistan and Bangladesh. When Maharashtra got Mumbai, did it compensate all Indian and Pakistani people who paid these taxes?

Contrary to what people believe, a city does not belong to its tax payers. If that is case, then so many Indians living in San Jose of California can easily claim that city for themselves. A city belongs to the people of that region, not its taxpayers.

Contribution of tax payers of Hyderabad is meager compared to the sacrifices of local regions who have contributed to growth of the city by providing the water, the succor, and the power. They also gave up large tracts of land, contributing Secunderabad and other new regions and new areas that came from districts of Telangana.

Moreover, Telangana contests that the only growth that happened in its region is that of Hyderabad while the rest of Telangana languished in poverty, underdevelopment and neglect. Should Telangana ask for compensation for the development that happened in Andhra at the cost of neglect in Telangana?

#2. Andhra people invested into the this city heavily

Can a certain section of people claim a city just because they have invested heavily into it? Can they take credit for developing the city because they have invested in real estate projects and businesses?

Regions all over the planet keep the doors of their cities open to all kinds of settlers both national and foreigners to settle down in their cities. Intel, TI, Cisco, and many foreign companies have invested heavily into Bangalore. Ambanis and many Gujaratis have invested heavily in Mumbai. Does that mean they can take credit for the development of the city and then use that to make a case for separating those cities from their regions? Can people of Jharkhand who have invested in Bihar claim Patna?

Andhras, how much ever they have invested in Hyderabad cannot claim Hyderabad for themselves or for their mother region of Andhra. In fact the investments of Andhras into the city of Hyderabad are insignificant. Most of the city was developed during the time of Nizam, followed by investments from the Center, followed by funds coming from many banks and investment groups. Most of Andhras’ investments have gone into getting assets for themselves which will continue to be held by them.

Modern countries have not given away their cities to investors, not as yet. Investors invest in a city to serve their vested interest, not out of altruistic or charitable reason. They are entitled to take their investments out whenever they want to. Intel, Cisco or TI can take away their investments out of Bangalore anytime selling of their assets.

There can be no compensation made for any investment if the city changes governments or changes states. If someone thinks that their investments are not going to give good returns they can sell off their investments, not seek compensation from the government.

#3. Many people including Andhra people have made this city their home

Just because Andhras made Hyderabad their home does not mean they can now claim it for themselves. Imagine Bangladeshi settlers in Kolkata claiming certain parts of the city for themselves. Will that change if they are Bihari settlers or Gorkha settlers?

A city continues to belong to the region it resides in no matter how many settlers it invites to settle in. Hyderabad continues to belong to Telangana no matter how many Gujarati, Andhra, Rayalaseema, Telangana or Tamils live there.


[The related posts are at: Case for Telangana, Telangana II, Telangana III, Telangana IV, Telangana VI: Hyderabad State?, Telangana VIII: You need to make a case, History of Telangana I, Telangana X: Congratulations!, History of Telangana II, Telangana XI: Why so much opposition?, Telangana XII: Ignorance, Bad Faith and Low Opinion. Telangana XIII: Let’s stay United!, Telangana XIV: Letter to Andhra Brothers, Telangana XV: Concerns, Telangana XVI: Samaikya Andhra, Telangana XVII: More Concerns, Telangana XVIII: Betrayal, Telangana XIX: Hyderabad a Union Territory?, Telangana XX: Welcome the Change]

54 comments:

  1. HUDA has auctioned thousands of acres in the recent years.I remember that constitued a good part of the income for the state budget.

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  2. Time and again u make your opinion the opinion of telengana ppl, which is false.

    Time and again u contradict your self and then give explanations.

    Time and again u ignore wat the ppl of hyderabad wants

    Time and again u forget the fact that telengana and parts of karnataka and maharastra belonged to hyderabad and not otherway round

    Time and again u forget the fact that the root cause for the underdeveloped telengana is because of the leaders that were elected.

    you are like a school kid crying for something in exhibition, he just needs the red color thing he doesnt know what it is. what it does or why he needs it..
    I just need it as i like it. its red in color its hanging, its in the shop dat means somebody needs to buy it and why not me. im not happy with out it so i need it.

    SAD!!

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  3. before ppl start saying words and that i am from andhra...

    NO im from hyderabad, my parents were born in hyderabad. my grandfathers where from nalgonda and warangal that makes me 100% telenganite

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  4. @ Pavan ..
    Time and again u make your opinion the opinion of telengana ppl, which is false.

    Time and again, you make your opinion the opinion of Hyderabad people, which is false.


    Time and again u forget the fact that telengana and parts of karnataka and maharastra belonged to hyderabad and not otherway round

    I wish you had the ability to read a geographic map and discern what lies where. Any mammal equipped with visual-congnitive apparatus would say that Hyderabad City was and is in Telangana.


    Time and again u forget the fact that the root cause for the underdeveloped telengana is because of the leaders that were elected.

    Time and again you forget that Hyderabad has become a top-notch city due to the resources of Telangana being spent on it since more than 450 years.

    You have neither established causation or a positive correlation between leadership of telangana and its state.

    And, you do not have the ability to look at a column of numbers and understand that large scale misallocation of resources is the reason for the current state of Telangana.

    underdeveloped telengana is because of the leaders that were elected.

    You have no clue how AP state operates. Telangana has 119 MLAs out of 294. If you are not arithmetically-disabled, you would realize that 119 does not form a majority. Voting on projects resolves to this: Two wolves and one sheep voting on "Whats for dinner?". The wolves are Andhra (and now Seema - YSR/Jagan) and Sheep is Telangana.


    you are like a school kid crying for something in exhibition, he just needs the red color thing he doesnt know what it is. what it does or why he needs it..

    You are just a garden-variety retard, devoid of abilities to read a map, arithmetically-challenged with no discernible ability to read a column of numbers and apply the operators (<,>), making up meaningless strings of words crying out loud for attention. Unfortunately, I do not blame you. Our education system grants degrees to people - who are not even literate! These degree holders (the degrees as good as a $3 bill) make as much sense as a monkey trying to produce beethoven on a piano!

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  5. @ Yogi

    at any point i never made my opinion that of hyderabadis

    my statement abt hyderbad was that to the bloggers remark of historic geography and every body knows wat hyderbad was historically.

    Majority of the telengana MP's and MLA's since the last 10 - 20 years atleast belonged to the Ruling party of the state and not otherwise. if they were not in a position to make a point then they will not be in a postion to make a point later... if u want to be happy now spillting the other wise 2 divisons of assembly (ruling and opposition) in to 6 groups as to ruling telengana ruling andhra ruling rayalseema etc .. you can make such a division... :) but the point still remains the so called leaders didnt even know the roles and responsibilities.

    My education always tought me "UNITY IS DIVERSITY" & "UNITED WE STAND & DIVIDED WE FALL".. AP as a compleate state had such a good hold that it was able to grab the centers attention and this getting many MNC projects and huge fund to the state. we split then no one will ever give telengana a second thought.. then i know our leaders will say the ruling part of the parliament was diff so we couldnt make an impact. we will blingly shake heads and they we might also ask for a seperate state saying historically the Nizam of hyd didnt want to join india and this is a 50 year old struggle its not new..

    anyways i am atleast happy that the 100 odd people (who are atleast 3rd generation hyderabadies) i talked to where againt seperation. and the way its going it might end up as a seperate statehood.

    congrats and all the best for the future.

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  6. as responsible citizens, people do this to ensure things are going in the right direction

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124456962548

    what did u do to telengana ? that you are cribbing its underdeveloped.

    Sujai the owner of this blog is in Banglore. most of the people putting 100's of comments seem to be in USA ... hahahaha

    funny people

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  7. more info...

    http://betterhyderabad.blog.co.in
    http://www.betterhyderabad.org/

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  8. To anonymous who said
    Sujai the owner of this blog is in Banglore. most of the people putting 100's of comments seem to be in USA ... hahahaha

    funny people


    Well if you are in the ergion may be yu will only see whatr is happening aroungd in you colony or in you office or on your way home and office or couple of more places you go around. So how come yu now you think you are more aware of situations in telngana that you or people like you may be only very rarely go look at. Oh I forgot that you read news papers , TV and other media and ofcourse use your own friends and people to know tihnks there.
    Good we do the same here.
    not at all funny

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  9. Pavan Reddy HOw can you say that when many of those from hyderabad I now(myself from hyderabad now)
    hold different opinion?
    Haven't you seen 100's of people agitating for telangana right in the hyderabad city. Yu just quote two or three wicked politicians and say that is the word of hyderabad people.
    Bad on your part.

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  10. YU amay say that
    at any point i never made my opinion that of hyderabadis.
    my statement abt hyderbad was that to the bloggers remark of historic geography and every body knows wat hyderbad was historically

    But you also say
    "Time and again u ignore wat the ppl of hyderabad wants"
    As if you are representing hyderabad dwellers.


    Remember Pavan this is not about who is smart and winning arfuments. And not at all that who is correct. It is all about "sharing what you know and what everyone thinks about what I know and If they are right or wrong?
    If they are right then AM I wrong? If I am wrong what is right?"

    Got that?

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  11. @Pavan Reddy said
    " Time and again u forget the fact that telengana and parts of karnataka and maharastra belonged to hyderabad and not otherway round"

    LOL....telangana is a part of hyderabad ????? OMG, no wonder these "half-literate self-proclaimed telangana born but opposed to formation of telangana" kids dont get it !

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  12. Pavan Reddy, I appreciate your pakka hyderabadi. No doubt it. I am sure you are educated too. Why not do some research on how much Telangana region developed since we are united by the formation of AP. why not obtain information using RTI act to understand how budgets are allocated for each regions and how state revenues are added up by different regions and how the money was spent on different regions. Just because you care about your welfare doesn't mean that facts are not facts. There are crores are uneducated people across AP and Telangana. It is our responisbility to fight for people who couldn't fight for themselves. It is our responsibility to demand justice for our brothers and sister who are the worst sufferes of the politics of AP in the last 56 years. I will happy to support you if you fight for every poor human in Andhra, Rayalseema and Telengana. My Friend, know the facts and share information and educated people and bring a change instead of making baseless arguments. Just because you dont know the current state of Telangana doesn't mean that our efforts to educate people are baseless. I think you are acting like a school kid than the writer. Wake up brother before you loose your sanity.

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  13. responsibleindianDecember 21, 2009 9:52 PM

    hi, here's another pure telanganite(hyderabadi), grandparents from medak, totally agree with Pavan reddy. if yu think yu never got an opportunity to develop your region tats not a correct statement.
    i am not as gud as u guys in history, vocab but can atleast think logically.

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  14. Telangana Muddu BiddaDecember 21, 2009 10:06 PM

    @Pavan Reddy said
    " anyways i am atleast happy that the 100 odd people (who are atleast 3rd generation hyderabadies) i talked to where againt seperation. "

    Let better sense prevail among u and ur 100+ friends whom u had the privilege to take opinion on Telangana. Problem with people who are from telangana but oppose the idea of telangana state is that our school textbooks never taught us the history of Telangana and so no wonder this generation is totally clueless on what are the issues that are plaguing our region. Hyderabad and its development does nothing to a farmer who resides in a remote village. Please get your facts straight before posing routine questions such as "what did our T-leaders do all these years" etc. Out of 50 yrs after our AP state formation, it was a total of just 10 yrs that a CM from telangana ruled our state. All this is 30yrs back.Looking at the current political scenario we should understand the fact that there can never be a telangana CM for atleast another 50yrs. Where do u think they will hav a chance to develop our region ? Please make sure you understand how our Indian political system works.

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  15. Telangana Muddu BiddaDecember 21, 2009 10:17 PM

    @responsibleindian said

    I have no clue how u guys assume Telangana can be developed so effortlessly when something of this sort http://bit.ly/GO_1845 is happening right in front of our eyes. This was released as recent as Dec 11th, 2009 by our very own government.
    Apply your logical sense and decide for yourself what's right and wrong. please make sure to come back with an answer !

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  16. this shows how ineffective are our T-leaders, by knowing how much we are in need of development they wont give a try to raise the share ----pardon my ignorance-----

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  17. Telangana Muddu BiddaDecember 22, 2009 12:58 AM

    @responsibleindian said

    " this shows how ineffective are our T-leaders, by knowing how much we are in need of development they wont give a try to raise the share ----pardon my ignorance-----"

    I cant pardon your ignorance, because i once again repeat you dont seem to know how Indian political system works. As Sujai, Shravan, Yogijp and few others on this blog pointed out T-leaders are a minority in the assembly...their count is 119 as opposed to seema-andhra MLA's. They have always raised their opinions on telangana issues. Read this article which is just one such example which dates back to 2003 - http://bit.ly/8L8yMc. You can only raise your voice and opinion. It stops right there...Something against majority wishes (in assembly) is always made sure that it is voted against. All the injustice is carried very cleverly in the background and that is the sole reason we as telanganaites are shouting about from rooftops that somebody do us some justice. If the whole system would have been so simple that just by raising voice things get done, then i pity your understanding

    There goes a saying "Ignorance is bliss"....how true !

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  18. Hi Sujai,

    We are trying to get feedback on a "newtelugustate" proposal in the facebook groups.

    I have just blogged about it here: http://mahmutmaha.blogspot.com/2009/12/telangana-opportunity.html

    Yours was one of the first blogs i read about this issue and i this new framework will provide solutions by itself.

    Can you review and provide your feedback.

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  19. @mahmut:
    I just read that proposal of yours. It is a silly proposal, for it deviates away from the actual problem. The only solution is a Telangana state.

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  20. Sujai,

    I have been reading your blogs for the past few days. I wanted to really read through what you say before I comment on it.

    De-centralization of power, resources and services helps with better administration.

    Asking for Telangana is neither a sin nor a crime.

    If staying together made sense, all states should be dissolved and India should govern the entire country from New Delhi. Obviously, it is not a possibility. Hence, the fathers of our constitution dictated that India shall be a Union of States.

    It really doesn't matter to the 13 non-Telangana districts whether Hyderabad is shared capital or Union Territory. Once a division occurs, these 13 districts will be governing themselves from the funds generated within the district or those allocated from the Central govt. budgets.

    Which etities does Hyderabad's status really impact?

    1. Politicians who grabbed lands and do not want to let go of their power over the region.
    2. Industrialists who have been having their way by bending and breaking rules and regulations, lobbying with the current power groups in AP assembly (Which is invariably concentrated with the majority non-telangana groups).
    3. People who have migrated to the state and fear a discrimination.
    4. Upper-Middle-class real-estate investors who fear a damage to brand-hyderabad resulting in losses in their 'real estate'.

    Any balanced person would agree that the first and second groups above, should be ignored completely.

    The third group should be given assurances that they are just as Indian as their neighbor and they ave the right to live and make a living anywhere in India.

    Coming to the fourth group (Real Estate Investors), any investment comes with a risk. No amount of agitation can eliminated risk. If they are true business-men, they will make up for it in no time and they will know how to write off the losses too.

    Coming to the point of
    What is good for hyderabad?

    Staying with telangana is good for Hyderabad and the future of hyderabadis who made it their home. Changing the status of Hyderabad to UT or shared-capital doesn't guarantee good opportunities, welfare or good to its residents. In a shared capital, there is always someone else to blame. In a UT, people lose some of their self-governing rights. Also, don't forget that there would be NO SCOPE for growing the city or expanding the city, if you cut it out into a new state, Union Territory or Shared-capital. And... that, my friend, is a doom to Hyderabad and its growth saga.

    I really enjoyed reading the fears Pavan reddy comes up with. Pavan, dare to venture into the future. Telangana is good for Hyderabad. Just give the thought a chance, its not a terrible idea like some hyderabadis make it out to be.

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  21. Archana,
    Impressive.
    But you missed to address one more thing. The plebicite and the rights of hyderabadi's.
    Thats what pavan has been stressing upon, that the decision of hyd should be left to hyderabad people through a referendum or plebicite. Thats what most of the discussion is.
    But given your clear description of what is good for hyderabad I think one should be able to agree with your opinion and vote for a complete telangana if at all such a referendum is ever raised. Ofcourse one must be sane, rational and believe he/she belongs to telangana, irrespective of his/her native area.

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  22. indk,
    Sorry to say this but I do not agree with you. Atleast mahmut maha made a sincere effort to elaborate on the actual prroblems faced by telangana and its pattern of deliberate discrimination. Indeed he/she comes up with real and accurate analysis comparing the three possibilities along with theirs pros and cons.
    The three possibilities and the analysis explains that hyderabad as UT is a utter disaster whereas United AP is only slightly and marginally better than separate telangana.
    May be that could be correct if there was a trust and sincerity on both sides about each other. That is what that has been lacking since the past 60 years. Now after all this it is hard to bring that back and actually should be possible only if the regions separate and cooperate with each other as equals. This point if added then I thing separate telangana will win over the possibilty of United AP. May be who know once such a trusd, confidence and sincerity for development is achieved on both sides may be we should unite in distant future but for now the possibilty of separate telangana wins out of all the three.
    Well I don't think the analysis was silly. I really apprecialte mahmut's efforts. Keep it going

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  23. i opposed this partition as i have a week memory and the last in know we were 24 states and now we are 28 plus 1 if telengana is formed... its diff to remember em all.

    Any ways Mera baap ka kya ja raha hain..
    "Baatlo kya kya Baatna chah they ho"

    wat is it in for me ,,, nothin
    sunya zero zilch...

    inko aidhaaru gantallo high command edho niryanai kosthundhi

    what ever may be the decision .. i will sleep and wake up on the same side of my bed.. drink the same chai.

    oh wait my address will change and the licence plate on my car will now read TG.. hmm but will that affect me .. i donno, actually NO

    i only wish.. laffoot's like KCR dont become heros out of it.

    if he becomes a CM .. omg GORIGILLA eeeks

    can i say that to my future CM. sorry sir pls forgive me...


    anyways congrats to one and all .which ever way the result goes.

    @Archana,
    I have no fear or theres nothing to dare.

    @Sujai
    Im really a fan of your blog. but blogging on net would mean one has to be ready to take criticism... dont trash them yaar *

    @Sravan
    all the best

    @ rest
    sense prevailed on to my soul.
    oh ya i realized im a literate and not educated.

    having said all that...

    Development would happen if more ppl become job providers and not job seekers (lazy bums like me). as we need more cities in the country we need more entrepreneurs. thats one reason why my friends from the coastal make a change and difference.

    Literacy rate would increase when ppl actually go to school and college and ya off course study .. (i didnt want to say education as its an overrated word anyways.)

    One should have the guts to catch the collar of the MLA's n MP's you vote as they are the one's who can make a diff.
    dont take "oh well in the parliament we were minority so they didnt approve our plans. didnt you see the T.V? so lets fight for a seperate country. remember back down in history the nizam didnt want to join india anyways so ...."

    let us Telugu's not become fanatics like M'enn'S and say non local bagaaav andholan. they are comming here and taking our jobs.

    all my previous comments in this blog were just personal feelings overflowing.. apologies if anybody got offended.

    last but not the least

    PEACE OUT!!! as they say
    DHIL PEY MATH LEY YAAAR ... Haath shake hand key liye hi use karna !

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  24. Pavan,
    @Sravan
    all the best

    Thank you Boss

    "Development would happen if more ppl become job providers and not job seekers (lazy bums like me). as we need more cities in the country we need more entrepreneurs. thats one reason why my friends from the coastal make a change and difference.
    Literacy rate would increase when ppl actually go to school and college and ya off course study .. (i didnt want to say education as its an overrated word anyways.)
    One should have the guts to catch the collar of the MLA's n MP's you vote as they are the one's who can make a diff.
    dont take "oh well in the parliament we were minority so they didnt approve our plans. didnt you see the T.V? so lets fight for a seperate country. remember back down in history the nizam didnt want to join india anyways so ...."
    let us Telugu's not become fanatics like M'enn'S and say non local bagaaav andholan. they are comming here and taking our jobs.
    all my previous comments in this blog were just personal feelings overflowing.. apologies if anybody got offended.

    Your points taken.
    Well said, except for,
    "Separate country"- is not required in present conditions and may be not in the future, for in the parliament every state is a minority no state has the absolute majority to pass resolutions on its own.
    This brings forth the most important responsibility of people in democratic republic, is that even though we all have separate administrative divisions like states and districts, it is very important not to ignore the needs and necessities of all the remaining regions and that is how we will prosper as a nation. Staying as a nation is not just to have an international identity but to understand, strive, help and fight for the betterment of people in times of crisis, across the country, irrespictive whether they belong to our own kind.
    This is the central theme behind the stae ment
    "UNITY IN DIVERSITY"
    and it is not about if we belong to same state or not for political convenience. It is not regional but universal"

    last but not the least

    PEACE OUT!!! as they say

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  25. My screen name would read Anonymous

    How true :-

    Lost in the cacophony is my true identity.

    My grandfather migrated to Khammam during the independence movement ( he is from Krishna Dist) fought against the Brits did his bit agianst the Razakar's..My Dad couldnt get the education I got but had enough to build a small nest in HYD. The nest seemed to to be ideal ..I got a great education, moved abroad and work a job that many can dream off.
    My Dad got a rude awakening a few days back ..he was asked by his neighbour a so called "telangana" native ..The question "U are going to loose this house caz u are a setller..why not I giv a decent deal and take it ???""""

    The erudites ..for/against seperation please answer this ...
    Where Shall my DAD go???

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  26. Anonymous:

    he was asked by his neighbour a so called "telangana" native ..The question "U are going to loose this house caz u are a setller..why not I giv a decent deal and take it ???

    It’s unfortunate that some scam artist is trying to fool your father. It’s even more unfortunate that your father is falling for it. And it’s really dismal that you actually ask us what he should be doing.

    Your father should have told that neighbor, ‘Get Lost’.

    [This is all assuming that the above incident actually happened]

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  27. Thanks for the warm assurance my frnd ..We arent so naive to let go of our hardwork

    Did the incident actually happen?? Yes albeit not in a threatening scenario as my first post might have sujjested .The underlying fact is we neither know if we belong to Telangana or Andra/Rayalaseem whe have been all over the map of AP. We built our nest ( don't misunderstand this as a "fortune") but the insecurity that has gripped us has left us with sleepless nights.
    Wat makes you think that the casual conversation above wouldnt turn into a reality..
    We are not the bada investors/land grabbers u most dispise ..Hardworking middle class who long lost thier true identity (Telangan/Rayalaseem/Andhra/Kammu/Kapu/Reddy..) to the unrelenting pace of globalization ..


    My family is frightened today and fears its future ..What about US


    PS:My father neither grabbed some ones job is a govt sector ..He worked in a private sector ..

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  28. Anonymous:

    we neither know if we belong to Telangana or Andra/Rayalaseem whe have been all over the map of AP.

    It doesn't really matter who you are. You and your father are entitled to live in any part of India, own property (except some regions like Kashmir/North East), and be treated as any other citizen.

    Whenever a change happens, we fear it because we don't know what will happen. Some people try to capitalize on that fear. Don't succumb to such tactics.

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  29. Sorry for going offtrack here .I wouldnt like like my comments to dilute the thread about Hyd and its status but since U (Suji) and I (for now call me anonymous) have started a converstaion ..I would like to as you a simple question to YOU
    (The noun YOU represent people with sane mentality and people who can crtiq and argue logically..)


    1)If T is seperated would you accept the influx of "immigrants" from Andhra or close its doors to only "native" telanganites

    Might sound like an insane question !!!But seeing some responses to earlier blogs of yours I though it is a valid one

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  30. Anonymous:

    1)If T is seperated would you accept the influx of "immigrants" from Andhra

    Of course YES.

    or close its doors to only "native" telanganites

    We don't believe that even our foolish and corrupt politicians would do that. But if ever they do that I will strongly opposing them.

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  31. To All those who say hyderabad belongs to Telangana.I have a doubt!!!!

    Hyderabad culture,food is different from remaining districts of Telangana.The local language was also different.U were almost slaves to nizams.ur leaders and u guys say we constructed charminar /golconda.

    Constructing a builing makes u the owner of that building ? when u say Andhrites go back just ur investment can't make u owner of this part how can u claim hyderabad is urs?

    u too paid taxes to nizam that doesn't mean u take off hyderabad.We use to have "Hyderabadi-Biryani" in hyderbad we never had karimnagar khichdi or adilabad atulu in hyderbad.

    None of the monuments have ur guys name than how cna u claim its urs?

    If u say it does not belong to andhrite it won't even belongs to u.Its only we guys in hyderabad has the right.

    Get lost telanganites and andhrites.We don't want u to make a mess here with so called bandhs and dharnas!!!

    ~amjad

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  32. So what do you think about rest of india amjad?

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  33. @sravan

    I don't have to think about rest of India.The whole issue which u guys have created around T issue is now impacting hyderabad.

    The investements are already gone.U created such a bad impact that people are scared to come here.One of my andhra colleague is ready to sell his house.u guys created a mess here.My hyderabad is not a safe place to live that what the scenarion u created.

    u and ur sujai always tried to show that andhrites has only investment so they won't belong to hyderabad than I told u even it doesnot belong to u.

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  34. Guys

    I am realy confused with the statements given by all the guys supporting T-movement.I think this problem can be solved just like the way sujai told in other post.

    Have irrigation projects in telangana put a time limit for these dams.Secondly Impelmenting 610 GO.have some time limit develop other areas in AP too and than start posting them.They will go out of hyderabad.

    Why do u want a state for this?? Since the movement has raised to peak Central government is looking into it and people have more awarness lets come to a dialogue and do it.Make the pranahita -chevela project as national project .they will look into it.why so much regional feeling?

    Now why am I confused ? I heard people saying we will not allow Andhra(include andhra and rayalseema both)institutions,mess and corporates here.I heard the OU student leader saying "veela gundello nidra podamu.Andhrodu ekada petubadi petalantey bhaiyapadali"..whats this nonsense.

    And other guy says "when a state is formed Andhra guys can stay here.They can run business". In United AP when u throw stones on companies headed by andhrites why they will invest money in a state which hates them?

    To get divided u throw stones on andhrites and for again revenue generations u guys want them to invest ? Don't u think this is double standards?

    Don't tell me the age old story written by maoists stating all those same 10 points written by sujai also by which u guys are brainwashed "why we want a separate state?".I am seeing this from past 10 yrs.

    ~Venu

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  35. Sujai, Telangana as a separate entity existed only for the period around 1952-1956. Hyderabad was the capital of the erstwhile Nizam state that included parts of Maharashtra and Karnataka for several hundreds of years. Dont these parts have a claim for Hyderabad??

    In fact if you go back to history, entire Andhra Pradesh was ruled by Muslim rulers of Hyderabad until around 1770. Around 1770, the rulers of Hyderabad transferred the coastal region (called "circar districts") to the British as a compensation to their support in a war with the French. Again around 1840, the Seema region (called "ceded districts") are transferred to the British. Does Hyderabad belongs to Telangana alone ?

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  36. Chandra:

    Sujai, Telangana as a separate entity existed only for the period around 1952-1956. Hyderabad was the capital of the erstwhile Nizam state that included parts of Maharashtra and Karnataka for several hundreds of years. Dont these parts have a claim for Hyderabad??

    Everyone has a claim over Hyderabad. Hyderabad belongs to India vis-à-vis Pakistan. It belongs to South India vis-à-vis North India. It belongs to Andhra Pradesh vis-à-vis Tamil Nadu. It belonged to Hyderabad State vis-à-vis Andhra State. It belongs to Telangana vis-à-vis other regions of Hyderabad State. It belongs to Rangareddy vis-à-vis Warangal.

    Now, you have to see where the contention is in the present time.

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  37. Hats off to you man “Sujai”.
    What a manipulator of minds and how you can twist minds of people by writing some blogs.
    God save people – at least you did not become the divorce lawyer, if that had be case you would have broken all the families and all the families would have been on streets and generations to come would be broken, and you would be enjoying your life and manipulating the minds of others.
    Are you sick by mind or what……….. If you think, you have such talents, use to for positive things man. Rather than telling people how to break up, why do not you encourage people how to be more constructive and make their life’s better.
    Do you know that, to win a race or something in life, elimination of competition is not the way to success..
    You are having devastating effects on minds of people and this is called “Telangana mind set”… teach hatred to coming generation and teach them how to hate others and try to eliminate competition and win in life.
    I completely agree with some issue the region is having………. But do not agree with the point of brake up….
    You have such skilling in writing……. Why do not you use it for positive things…. Why do not bring awareness about water and other issue and tell or find a way to find a way for that…..
    Rather than calling people for Andhra British or bring hate……… why do not call great minds of that region (see the point I am not calling Telangana, because it is concept – teach heatedness’, blame weakness on somebody) and think on how to bring the upliftment of life. Govermentment cannot do everything, you and your community should do and help each other and grow.
    But you have one talent, you can instigate people, but try to use your energy and talent in positive way man……..
    If you teach your children that you can be better if you can pull the leg of in front of you and you can win the race………… you are worst person of the world and you will never win the race……….. their life will be always like that….

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  38. Hey are you always going to look back and think how telengana was formed, how the mixed with other regions. etc etc... always looking back....

    Do not ever think forward.... how you can be positive and do something better.

    How man people, who are twisted attitude like you have done something for your region....

    Have you ever helped somebody to get education from your region or you ever helped somebody to get job or anything...

    Only thing you can do is just "google" find some negative points and post here.. and happily sleep satisfied that you have twisted others minds......

    Think better and do something better... do not teach your children........ how to hate others and how to blame other....

    Do it, if you can ..... or get damn out of the way.....

    come out of it... get better educated and move forward if you can....

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  39. Why not for a change, people supporting Telangana……….. Think about this …………….

    You are in democratic country and you have been elected your local representatives and selecting your local leaders thought the voting process and you have been doing this for years.

    They have equal say in assembly or should have say in assembly…. Right ?

    They are not able to do good job and not fight for actual problems in Telangana and if government allocated them they put that money in their personal pockets and banks and did not do the required development work or anything which is usually for common man.

    And now these politicians cannot that blame on themselves and now instigate you that somebody from outside has robbed you guys and you believe in that and now fighting for different state.

    Is this really reasonable, why are you not holding them up or ask your politicians, why are they were so week and not able to fight for your rights.

    Am I missing something there or you are missing something here.

    Take a movement to think about this. Do not fight for something you do not know the root cause of it.

    They have robbed all the time and now they are completely taking advantage of you and they will get back to power again and do the same thing.

    They are making you puppets.

    My basic question is why you are not holding them responsible for not fighting for you, when you have so many politicians from your region. Why did they not do anything in their life time?

    Why tell me, why

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  40. @39, Anonymous:

    You are in democratic country and you have been elected your local representatives and selecting your local leaders thought the voting process and you have been doing this for years.

    I answer this in the post titled: Telangana 34: Self-rule and Self-Respect

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  41. Yeah, you have post for everything.... you do not have answers for anything.....

    Your own politicians are responsible for all this and they are instigated people like you and you Google and collect the information and post here.

    Why in the hell you can inspire people in positive directions………….. there is such a movement now……….why do not you inspire people to become leaders now and throw all the politicians and do the best to grown and get the required development.

    Hope you know the reason you are fighting for……..

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  42. Hey you third graded person, who you are inspiring people in wrong direction.

    Can you dare to do one thing…..

    You have so many politicians from your region and they have ruled you for so long….. Can you dare to ask each one of them, what each one of them has done for your region till now?

    Can you ask each one of them to publish, what they have been doing, when they have rule you for so long…..

    Ask them man………. Do not be just puppets or slaves ………. Come of out slavery ………those days of gone……….

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  43. What happened man, no post for some time…………..did you slow down because KCR slowed down……….

    Or some how by god’s grace you starting thinking right and rather that thinking negative and with corrupt mind………. You started thinking positive and thinking in right direction.

    Do not stop blogging but do it in right way……….

    Please inspire people from telenagana region to become right leaders and fight for development not destruction.

    Do not teach your children’s and family member that eliminating competition is not right way to win in life or prosper well.
    Teach them to hard work and struggle in positive direction and face the competition is the right way.
    Breaking the leg of a person running before you will not make you winner in the race.


    And education is the best way to enlightenment.


    Inspire people to hold the leaders accountable not just follow them…….. They say lets beak the state and we can rule you again……….just do not follow their footsteps….

    Inspire people from your region to build schools in their village man……………

    Do blog about such issues man……………. Do not stop, so many people are reading your blog………

    Be positive and be good.

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  44. This should have been last think you should have thought to do.

    What are you talking about? You mentioned “settlers”, what are you talking about. In India, do we need to use that term for Indian, when people move to find jobs at different cities, do we need visa and work authorization to work and freely move between the cities.
    The word “settler” is the last thing you should be talking about and people of India should be listening to you about that word “settler”.

    This is the last this a fellow Indian should be listen to call others settler…………..Are you from Pakistan? Are you puppets of them?

    How do you define the “local” and “settlers”, what is the context, did your grandfathers from 100 generations stayed in same home.. or on tree…..
    So you are local, if you moved out of your home, you are also damn “Settler”.

    What are you talking about, do you even have any idea. What is “Settler” means for Indian, can you damn define that………….

    If you writing this blog that means you are at least educated.

    Define me the word settler for your common Indian man….

    You have move to different cities to fulfill your aspirations alike like many of the people move around India to find jobs and to better lively hood and you guys are talking about this.
    Really it is shame on you and you’re upbringing.

    What position do you stand to talk about his issue?

    Just because some politician told you some damn reason you are talking about this……..

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  45. enjoy this for some time
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QkaOG4hDWc

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  46. Now I agree your post is a very reasonable and clever argument. You say Hyderabad was an existing city developed by Hyderabad hence It should belong to Telangana. Can you tell me What was the total revenue of the Hyderabad State ruled by the Nizam. Are you aware of the Fact that The Nizam Had to pay 9 lakhs per Annum for the security to be provided by the British to his state. Are you also aware in lieu of the security the entire revenue of the Rayalaseema Districts were taken by the British. That is the revenue of Rayalaseema was used for Hyderabad state rather than the Development of Hyderabad. Now can you answer me who has looted whom ? Has Telangana not Rayalaseema of its entire revenue for over a hundred years and used that amount to build Hyderabad and its buildings.Can you tell me the location of the world famous Golconda mines. Were they available in Warangal or Nizamabad or Karimnagar. It was located in rayalaseema. So right from the early days it was telangana which was looting rayalaseema and its mineral wealth How dare you say that Rayalaseema people are depriving Telangana.

    We care a shit about being united. But When we go our own ways we need proper compensation for the loot perpetrated on Rayalaseema by Telangana.

    Like you have taken we want 50 percnt od the entire Revenue of the Telanagana State to be alloted to Rayalaseema state for the next 150 years. We also demand 180 TMCof Standing Krishna water as agreed by the Nizam Hyderabd and the then British Government under the Sidheswaram Project which again Rayalaseema was deprived of by the Political looters of United Andhra.

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  47. Because of being united, Seemaandhra has lost the opportunity to develop their own capital, which could have attracted all the Seemandhra investments to Hyderabad and developed by itself? The party wanting to come out of the commitment has to pay for it. Simple. Who can pay the compensation for Hyderabad?

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  48. If there was any actual mischief in fund allocation or water sharing towards Telangana, the ShreeKrishna committee will find out and Seemandhra will have to pay up. (From the signals coming out, it looks like Telangana is more developed than the rest.)

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  49. Blue Hamsa:
    Read 'Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics' on this blog.

    It is easy to prove that Ethiopia is doing much better than USA.

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  50. Blue Hamsa:
    The center will allocate funds to Seemandhra to develop their capital city.

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  51. The Shree krishna committee has experts in statistics. There are standard ways to gauge the development of a region. They will not be fooled by deceptions. I will wait for their report to see which region is more developed. Whatever you showed in your article "lies etc." is very commonly known as low-base effect. It should be used only if the differences in gross numbers are small.

    Now, coming to estimate the damage to Telangana made by Andhra discrimination(can be positive or negative), there is a way to compute it. We can arrive at a graph of fund allocation versus net development (say, GDP share of the district) for different districts in Andhra. Then that can be subtracted (or added) from the loss of capital.

    By the way, center can only give the infrastructure in the new capitals but can it bring investments in the same proportion? If it can't, it has to wait till so much investment comes and make sure it does.

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  52. No state in India was created on a statistic. In fact, India was not created on a statistic. There was no report which suggested India was discriminated by British - and here are statistics to support it.

    Andhra State was formed only a 'fear' that it would be discriminated.

    None of the states in India were formed on a statistic - Kerala, Karnataka, Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, etc.


    It is a political decision Telangana wants, not a statistical report.

    Coming to investments, any city in India can get investments from any part of India or the world. Just because the city goes to one region because bifurcation of the state, the investments are not distributed.

    In fact, Hyderabad was already a big city before Andhra Pradesh was formed. There was a likelihood it would have reached the same stage even without a merger.

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  53. Everyone has an opinion and isn't it great we are not all the same.
    Come-on folks, it's Christmas - where's that Christmas spirit?

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  54. think about the other side of the coin:

    KCR has done a con job on non-T people. KCR conned them into coming to hyderabad for decades, and now wants to deny them the identity that they have been exploited to support.

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