Saturday, February 26, 2011

Telangana 79: Like Enemy Like Fight

Mahatma Gandhi is a scion of nonviolent movements.  He is known worldwide for having brought an end to the world’s most powerful empire through peaceful agitations.  Instead of creating armed rebellions like most other colonial countries, Gandhi insisted on tactics like non-cooperation, bandhs, hartals, hungerstrikes, and peace marches, all in an effort to bring a change in the heart of the enemy, to make the enemy respect him, and eventually gain freedom from that enemy.    It goes without saying that Gandhi and his non-cooperation methods are credited with bringing freedom to India from the British. [It is a matter of debate if India would have got independence if there was no Second World War.]

For a while, imagine it was not British who had ruled over India but it was Nazi Germans.  Would Gandhi become a hero, and would his methods have succeeded? 

Only a fool who doesn’t understand history would believe that Nazis would have respected Gandhi’s nonviolent agitations, that Nazis would have stood up when Gandhi entered the court, or that they would have freed Gandhi so that he does not die on a hunger strike.  If Nazi Germans were ruling India, most probably we would never have heard of Gandhi, because he would have died as a nameless victim in one of the many concentration camps.  Gandhi’s methods would not have worked against Nazi Germans. 

The only way to defeat Nazi Germany was through massive invasion, involving millions of soldiers, thousands of planes and tanks and hundreds of ships, showering millions of bombs and firing billions of bullets.  No matter how great Gandhi was he would not have brought Nazi Germany to its knees with his noncooperation and nonviolent agitations.  Asking Jews to embrace non-cooperation, bandhs, and hunger strikes to fight Nazi Germans will sound foolish to any historian.

Indians prevailed over British because it was the gentleman in British that Gandhi targeted.   Gandhi knew that a British man was a decent man, had some principles that he would stand by, that he would not forever treat his subject inhumanly without feeling guilty.  It was that profound belief in the sincerity and chivalry of British man that Gandhi targeted and eventually won over.

Gandhi became Gandhi because it was British he was fighting.  If it was Japanese or Germans ruling Indians, there wouldn’t have been Gandhi and we wouldn’t be discussing today the merits of nonviolent movements.   

The kind of fight you take up depends on the kind of enemy you have.  Against British it was noncooperation.  Against Nazi Germans it was bullets and bombs.    

Like Enemy like Fight

We have to choose the fight depending on who our enemy is.  For a very long time, Telanganas did not understand this clearly.  Instead of choosing the fight based on the enemy, they were more concerned about their image in their own eyes.   All this time, Telangana people were more focused on enrolling more and more Telanganas into its fold by concentrating on their self-image.  So, they set about doing peaceful agitations, which were really beautiful if one were to witness them.  They held vanta varpu, where thousands of families came onto streets to picnic, cook, eat and be merry.  They held hands to form longest human chains.  They played kabaddi and kho-kho on the streets.  They held blood camps, bicycle rallies, took up padayatra to tour entire Telangana on foot.  They held the most entertaining dhoom-dhams and lit candles on New Year eve.  They composed new songs and produced hundreds of artists.  They even made a movie to depict the movement. 

In this obsession of how we portray ourselves in our own eyes and of those of the observers, we forgot one fundamental aspect of any fight.   It has to be decided by the enemy we have.  If your enemy is a rogue and scoundrel what good is your peaceful and nonviolent agitation? What purpose does it serve?

The Seemandhras, the Government of AP and the Indian Government, instead of appreciating and respecting Telangana people for their nonviolent and peaceful method of protests, laughed at them, ignored them and dismissed them.

Our arch enemies Seemandhras saw these peaceful and nonviolent agitations as a sign of weakness, not a sign of greatness.  One Seemandhra director, whose movie Adhurs was obstructed for few days from screening but eventually allowed, said that if Telanganas are not even capable of obstructing his movie, how could they attain Telangana?  Our methods were mocked at, and ridiculed at.  Telanganas were seen as weak and unorganized people who cannot even muster strength and courage to fight the enemy the proper way.

Telanganas realized too late, after almost a year that we need to pick up the fight that suited our enemy.  Entire Telangana is slowly learning that their enemy doesn’t respect them for their nonviolent and peaceful agitations.  It has become clear now that it has to step up and take it to the next level.  It is high time we started using the weapons that work against our enemies instead of choosing those weapons which we seem to like.

The events of this year have been much better than those of last year.  The pressure that Telangana people mounted against their elected leaders is yielding positive results.  Our MPs in Lok Sabha, irrespective of their political party, have raised slogans, disrupted the proceedings and ensured that India reckoned and recognized Telangana movement.  Our MLAs in State Assembly from TRS, TDP and Congress have disrupted the proceedings and created a ruckus stalling the proceedings many a times.  Not all these events were beautiful for observers, but they produced the desired result.  Beauty, they say, is in the eyes of the beholder.  For a common Telangana man, these events that transpired in the last one month are most beautiful.  India concedes Telangana issue is important.

Telangana Movement is now seen as a credible and potent force in India.  Even the politicians realize this now.  This movement will end up creating heroes and making some political  leaders zeroes.  Seemandhra leaders have started to squirm in their comfortable seats and started to pay attention to the events unfolding in the center and the state.  Recently, the rachchabanda program initiated by Government of AP proved to be a complete disaster in Telangana.  Women threw chappals, eggs and tomatoes at Chief Minister to make him retreat with tail between his legs.  Noncooperation agitations resulted in more than 2000 Crores loss in revenues for the government in the first two days.   3.5 Crore Telangana people shout in unison that this farcical experiment called Andhra Pradesh does not represent their interests anymore.

Now that we know how to fight, Telanganas have to step up further to get the desired result – separate Telangana with Hyderabad as its capital.  People of Telanganas have participated in hundreds of agitations in the last one year.  Now they are all waiting for the climax, the grand showdown, the finale.  Let’s step up our fight the right way.  Let’s not spare any politician at home.  It is their turn to agitate now.  They should be made restless.  They should be forced to unite irrespective of their party affiliation when it comes to the cause of Telangana.  

Let’s keep up the tempo.  Let’s take this to a crescendo.  Let’s march to Hyderabad and stay put till we attain Telangana.

375 comments:

  1. Telangana is inevitable. Telanganites have to be watchful of their sinister enemy. The bigwigs will make agreements heavily in their even in parting. Don't let this happen.

    ReplyDelete
  2. The sad part of the entire episode is not the long wait. It is not the insults we endure from the opposition. It is not how media portrays us from time to time as anti-establishment, anti-unity, anti-peace etc.

    The sad part is the number of lives that were lost in this journey. Men live and die, nothing new or unusual. But, men and women dying for to realize their constitutional and democratic rights... is the lowest level Indian democracy could fall.

    Each and every party and govt. has failed in upholding the basic human rights of people.

    India needs to openly debate about the rise of maoism in its heartlands, the increasing gap between haves and have-nots and the two completely different IndiaS emerging from the failed economic and social policies. The Rich and progressing India of the Hi-tech world and the India we are losing to poverty, hunger, deprivation and neglect.

    I am no proponent of more Mother Theresas or "free food for all". But, if a democracy fails at taking all its people forward on the progress march, how can it keep its spirit alive?

    While Telangana movement took its strength from the people who are sick of discrimination meted out to them in all walks of life, its real roots lie in the starvation and deprivation... results of blind and deaf administration and their callous governance.

    There is no dialog between the administration and the maoists. Added, anyone who wants a CHANGE in how they are being treated, are branded maoists (e.g. Telanganas).

    People have expressed their dissatisfaction with the experimentation called "AP STATE". But, there has never been any dialog between the powers and the people! Not even after hundreds of suicides and sacrifices!!!

    ReplyDelete
  3. The tri-colored flag and the administration under that flag is OK with creating a Salwa Judum! But, it is not ok with protecting the rights of all people and address the real concerns that have given rise to naxalite-uprisals and rebellions.

    Everything is just a "political game". One KCR goes on fast for 10 days and the Union Home Minister stands at the footsteps of the parliament to announce a "blatant lie", one which he is not committed to making true.

    Salwa Judum happened because the elected representatives played games. Both the opposition and the ruling parties supported the specially trained police. What happened next is regrettable history.

    The parties should stop playing games with the people of Telangana. It is not about votes anymore. It is about the spirit on which India declared itself a free country.

    ReplyDelete
  4. The minimum an administration should have done:

    1. A public apology by the Prime Minister of India, regretting and mourning the suicides of so many people!
    2. A fair process initiated to create a new state.
    3. Adequate security and assurances to the people of other regions who hold fears of their safety after T-state is formed.

    Instead, we got to see endless delays, blatant lies, crazy mockery of democracy, people losing faith in the govt and their representatives...

    The govt. is incapable of assuring a few thousands of non-telangana hyderabadis and is using that as a reason to delay a sensitive issue.

    No one feels "safe" in a big city! Is this news to the people of Hdyerabad? Have they compared the crime rate of hyderabad with other cities both historically and in the recent times? Do they know that Vijayawada and Vizag lead in crime compared to per-thousand issues in Hyderabad?

    ReplyDelete
  5. @Sujai

    <<<< Asking Jews to embrace non-cooperation, bandhs, and hunger strikes to fight Nazi Germans will sound foolish to any historian.


    While I agree with you that Seemandhras are extraordinarily Vile and Cunning people, I dont see much Difference between Nazis and Britsh.

    Here is george orwells take on Gandhis methods
    <<<
    Gandhi was asked a somewhat similar question in 1938 and that his answer
    is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer's GANDHI AND STALIN. According to Mr.
    Fischer, Gandhi's view was that the German Jews ought to commit
    collective suicide, which "would have aroused the world and the people of
    Germany to Hitler's violence." After the war he justified himself: the
    Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly.
    One has the impression that this attitude staggered even so warm an
    admirer as Mr. Fischer, but Gandhi was merely being honest. If you are
    not prepared to take life, you must often be prepared for lives to be
    lost in some other way. When, in 1942, he urged non-violent resistance
    against a Japanese invasion, he was ready to admit that it might cost
    several million deaths.

    At the same time there is reason to think that Gandhi, who after all was
    born in 1869, did not understand the nature of totalitarianism and saw
    everything in terms of his own struggle against the British government.
    The important point here is not so much that the British treated him
    forbearingly as that he was always able to command publicity. As can be
    seen from the phrase quoted above, he believed in "arousing the world",
    which is only possible if the world gets a chance to hear what you are
    doing. It is difficult to see how Gandhi's methods could be applied in a
    country where opponents of the régime disappear in the middle of the
    night and are never heard of again. Without a free press and the right of
    assembly, it is impossible not merely to appeal to outside opinion, but
    to bring a mass movement into being, or even to make your intentions
    known to your adversary. Is there a Gandhi in Russia at this moment? And
    if there is, what is he accomplishing? The Russian masses could only
    practise civil disobedience if the same idea happened to occur to all of
    them simultaneously, and even then, to judge by the history of the
    Ukraine famine, it would make no difference. But let it be granted that
    non-violent resistance can be effective against one's own government, or
    against an occupying power: even so, how does one put it into practise
    internationally? Gandhi's various conflicting statements on the late war
    seem to show that he felt the difficulty of this. Applied to foreign
    politics, pacifism either stops being pacifist or becomes appeasement.
    Moreover the assumption, which served Gandhi so well in dealing with
    individuals, that all human beings are more or less approachable and will
    respond to a generous gesture, needs to be seriously questioned. It is
    not necessarily true, for example, when you are dealing with lunatics.
    Then the question becomes: Who is sane? Was Hitler sane? And is it not

    ReplyDelete
  6. You have some romantic notion of British Chivalry , but you are wrong they are A-grade arseholes, you wont find much British "gentlemanship" in the way dealt with the aftermath of the first Indian rebellion in 1847.

    French hanged on in Indo-China because they were being paid Billions of $ military aid by US to hang-on, if Britishers had found Some Assistance or Merit in retaining India, they would have hung-on however violent the aftermath would have been. They left Palestine, and many African territories only after they were violently kiked out.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Ap govt has started the Divide and rule strategy, inviting only few JAC's for negotiations, it aims to break up the unity.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Hindu Feb-24-2011: "All the Telangana Ministers, barring M. Mukesh Goud, have jointly written a letter to the AICC president Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stressing the need to expedite the statehood issue by respecting the Centre's statement of December 9, 2009"

    DC; Feb-26-2011: "Secunderabad MLA, Ms Jayasudha, who pledged loyalty to rebel former MP Mr Y.S. Jagan Mohan Reddy, also stood in support of the demand for T resolution. She, however, chose not to display the placard brought by her colleagues apparently because it bore Mrs Gandhi’s photo"

    After Asad's speech and the above news, Mukesh is left all alone (perhaps one or two supporters) fighting for option $ (sorry 4 with shift pressed; but that is what they want in any case).

    ReplyDelete
  9. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/fisherfolk-police-clash-in-srikakulam-village/251494.html

    ReplyDelete
  10. Let me tell you that i am from Kannada speaking family who settled in Telangana for a very long time (more than 100yrs).
    Frankly, It makes no difference to me as a person who is working in Bangalore.
    Then, you might shoot a question asking me why i am supporting the cause of Telangana.
    Let me tell you that i am supporting the T cause only after having done my reading on Telangana's history.I would have supported Andhra had this been their condition.Today i support the cause of Vidarbha also though i am not from Maharastra.


    Above are the statements by 'tintin' to introduce himself to the blog.

    After many posts....

    His empathy, not just sympathy, with every victim of every incident of T movement is is just mind blowing.

    Well! time for St. Mother Theresa to turn in her grave and understand what is true self-less humanity.

    Keep it up! tintin.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Its rather pathetic that people like Mukesh Goud and Danam Nagendar would actually get elected in a city like Hyderabad (with a large educated population, especially in their constituencies).
    And no I am not saying this because of their anti T stand. They are history sheeters and should be incarcerated in the Andamans or something.

    ReplyDelete
  12. @SLB

    Do you agree with what happened in Egypt?

    ReplyDelete
  13. @SLB's ,Sera and Andhra SOB's


    you people are Claiming that Egypt style Uprisings cant take place in India because its a Democracy.

    But u dumbheads dont realise that bot Egypt,TUnisia are Democracies (atleast on papers ,so is India a paper democracy), atleast Egyptians and Tunisian MP's did not have Criminal Backgrounds unlike that of Indias, they were mostly Technocrats, and the GDP per-capita of these countries is Way ahead of Indias, so they were not Poor but Frustrated due to Injustice like the people of telangana.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Sujai I think more than Tahris square model , Thailands Red-shirt Model is more appropriate for the Coming Dday don March 10th. The Red-shirt Protesters camped in the most Upscale neighbourhood and Crippled Banghkok for one month, same thing can be repeated here, all areas like Jubille hills and Banjara hills need to be stormed by T-protesters.


    Its Official govt is witholding Salaries for Telangana employees till March 12th while its gonna pay for Andhra employees on March 4th .

    I doubt whether Inter exams will take place, now Andhra media has a chance to whip Up Propoganda that TG vadis dont care about Students future.

    ReplyDelete
  15. Even at the heat of the T movement, when anti SA sentiment is supposedly at its peak ever.....farmers in mbnr are welcoming SAs who are coming to buy their lands. all this in KCRs constituency!!! Where are the T JACs and students now.

    ReplyDelete
  16. you people are Claiming that Egypt style Uprisings cant take place in India because its a Democracy.

    I still believe T cannot be achieved on the lines of Tunisia, Egypt, Russia etc..

    To my knowledge Indian history, say last 2000 years, never witnessed an uprising that could dethrone ruling establishment in short span of time. There were long drawn political battles and conspiracies starting with Chankaya against Maghada, Yughandhar against Delhi Sultans, Shahis against other etc. etc. There are hundreds of stories filled with back-stabbing and treason.
    But never a public uprising of the Egypt magnitude gave quick results here.

    "tomorrow is like today" is very common perception, rather expectation. I am no exception.
    At the same I do not rule out "change" that can happen now and here.

    Success of 'million march' will be a defining movement not just for Telangana but rest of India. Even may be for entire world depending on the direction it takes.

    Anyways, let us wait and see the outcome.

    ReplyDelete
  17. @SLB

    You are really Blind, The land of Telangana witnessed Uprisings that are Beyond the scale of whats happening in Middle-east. And the Uprisings were sucessfull, in the Peasant Revolution of Telangana almost every Village Rose Up against the SYSTEM, and they achieved their main Objectives-Land reforms albeit for a short Period of time, Until they were reversed by the INDIAN union.

    ReplyDelete
  18. @SLB,

    My question was simple - Do you agree with what happened in Egypt? I wasn't actually looking for your depth of knowledge in Indian historical facts.

    But anyway point is if you agree with what happened in Egypt it is very likely that you seem to understand what true democracy and vox populi are. But if you can't draw parallels between what's happened over there and what's been happening here for the past 60 yrs then your democratic proclivities are a sham.

    ReplyDelete
  19. Quaddafi, Mubarak were saying what the AP govt is saying at the peak of the Uprisings, Do not disturb the "Normal Life" of Public, Telangana people are not going to accept the "status quo" of Normal life anymore.

    ReplyDelete
  20. Think the Greatest thing about Telangana movement is the Sense of Unity and Common Purpose it Created among 45 million People, hope it stays forever.

    ReplyDelete
  21. @ TG

    @SLB's ,Sera and Andhra SOB's

    you people are Claiming that Egypt style Uprisings cant take place in India because its a Democracy.


    TG I don't know why you should gang us all up together and call us (especially me Andhra SOBs).

    Also understand that Sujai said that I should not write on this blog and its better to refrain quoting me for Sujai's health and peace ;-)

    Ok. Now to get a few facts clear I never said a Egypt style uprising is not possible - in fact I compared the whole thingy to a Nazi like built-up uprising which is much more powerful and which is showing.

    All I have to say is that with all of these kind of uprisings you will bring the matter to a close while losing Hyderabad.

    Its the same scenario playing out. Just that Nehru is replaced with Manmohan Singh.

    This is what Nehru said:

    “Their state will be a backward one in many ways and financially hard up. They cannot expect much help from the Centre. However, that is their lookout. If they want the state, they can have it on conditions that we have stated (i.e. without Madras city).” .

    So now Telanganas can have their state without Hyderabad. WARANGAL? And so goes history. The impatience will lead to that.

    We know it. And it is good that all this is happening at this rapid speed. Nothing helps political compromised solutions like speed.

    Let's move forward. Let Hyderabad have a partial statehood like Pondicherry or New Delhi which have a Lt. General and have their own assemblies and elected representatives. Danam and Mukesh understand that. Owaisi has to be brought in still. We will. This is the best time to fight for that.

    The way I see it is that there is no other better time. I welcome the Egypt style occupation of Telanganas and the non-responsiveness of the SAs (in the city). Now couple that with SA MLAs and MPs fighting for a United State and you have a recipe for separate Hyderabad.

    ReplyDelete
  22. @ TG

    is the Sense of Unity and Common Purpose it Created among 45 million People, hope it stays forever.

    Are you a romantic or what? Sujai would have abused you in more choice terms than I can to get myself to type out than that.

    Nothing stays forever.

    If you can show me one except diamonds and that is if we were to believe de beers ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  23. And the Uprisings were sucessfull, in the Peasant Revolution of Telangana almost every Village Rose Up against the SYSTEM,

    Are you sure? Peasant Revolution was a success?

    ReplyDelete
  24. @ SLB

    Success of 'million march' will be a defining movement not just for Telangana but rest of India. Even may be for entire world depending on the direction it takes.

    Anyways, let us wait and see the outcome.


    Yeah. We need to wait and watch like you said. I fully agree.

    But this is what will precipitate a separate Hyderabad. The more impatient and uncontrollable a movement gets the more political compromises are achieved.

    I remember you saying that either Telangana or separate Hyderabad is not good for the nation. I beg to disagree SLB.

    In fact I feel that a partial-statehood status that will come to Hyderabad should be applied to the rest of the metros and we will have a better nation in that big slogan of "Unity In DIversity".

    Maybe Hyderabad will become the first lab experiment for metros-as-partial-statehoods like Andhra Pradesh was for linguistic states.

    I actually see history repeating itself in a way.

    What say SLB?

    PS: Actually if TG did not quote me I actually gave up on this blog and did not want to comment (respects to Sujai). But my RSS reader on my ipad picked up my name, sera. I sincerely hope that you people don't respond to me by name and be informed that Sujai does not like it either.

    ReplyDelete
  25. But if you can't draw parallels between what's happened over there and what's been happening here for the past 60 yrs then your democratic proclivities are a sham.

    Apart from English every language has good words like 'inspiration', 'emulation'. 'analogy', 'parallel', 'similar' also synonymous of same but do not give same feeling.

    Anyway just for you one funny parallel.
    In US pregnant woman were recommended to eat 'papaya' (boppayi). At some point I was really worried that Indian doctors would follow suit. Fortunately no!

    ReplyDelete
  26. @ SLB & TG

    Peasant Revolution was a success?

    I don't know teaches history to TG but claiming that peasant revolution was a success is a blatant lie and is actually a insult to people who lost their lives.

    The patelas and the doras were the actual final winners of that in many places where they claimed there was disturbance (given the poor communications then) and got money from the Nizam for no effort.

    TG needs to answer this SLB. I am surprised at the kind of jingoistic lies that these guys are spreading or have internalized.

    ReplyDelete
  27. @SLB
    "Apart from English every language has good words like 'inspiration', 'emulation'. 'analogy', 'parallel', 'similar' also synonymous of same but do not give same feeling.

    Anyway just for you one funny parallel.
    In US pregnant woman were recommended to eat 'papaya' (boppayi). At some point I was really worried that Indian doctors would follow suit. Fortunately no! ]"

    WOW! So you seriously are on here just for the heck of it but not to have a real debate.
    Sorry for having counted you apart from empty vessels like Sera.

    ReplyDelete
  28. http://www.peacemagazine.org/198.htm

    Most of the said non-violent methods failed us....So,mutiny it is....

    ReplyDelete
  29. //But my RSS reader on my ipad picked up my name, sera. I sincerely hope that you people don't respond to me by name//


    Maybe we all should respond to Lord Voldemort,aka sera,as You-know-who,hence forth....

    ReplyDelete
  30. //Danam and Mukesh understand that. Owaisi has to be brought in still.//


    Brought in or bought in....

    ReplyDelete
  31. @ lavanya

    http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/12/idiots-guide-to-victimhood-getting-it.html

    Please rely to what i said. I can also give you many links.

    ReplyDelete
  32. @ Lavanya

    Brought in or bought in....

    ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  33. Maybe Hyderabad will become the first lab experiment for metros-as-partial-statehoods like Andhra Pradesh was for linguistic states.

    I actually see history repeating itself in a way.

    What say SLB?

    sera,
    I can understand your perception but do not share. Bcoz I am not businessman. :-)
    As an individual I do not like too much concentrated economic activity. IMO, it creates too many imbalances. Your idea will widen rich-poor gap even inside those metros-as-partial-statehoods.

    Definitely there is need for form of re-organization with goal for optimal units of administration.
    NDA govt. should had created at least couple of more smaller states before 2004. There was lack of continuity. Otherwise states re-organization could have become an agenda even for UPA government. Say similar to economic reforms.
    Unfortunately the experiment was aborted in infancy. The whole process has to start again in some form at national level.
    Even post Dec 09 2009 was an opportunity for present government. They should had proceeded with T formation by convincing all stakeholders. But they squandered it. This government does not have vision and will.

    T issue has to be settled now amicably. And the burden lies with Central government.
    Honestly, the repercussions will be more if T is formed without negotiations. Like T-vaadis trying to emulate Egypt for a statehood, at least 5 other demands will emulate T movement.
    This government is not even capable bringing consensus among their own rank.

    ReplyDelete
  34. //The patelas and the doras were the actual final winners of that in many places where they claimed there was disturbance (given the poor communications then) and got money from the Nizam for no effort.//


    Just like people,who claim to fight for Hyderabad,having been threatened to contribute money,by the Telangana agitators,without having/providing factual proof...

    Looks like character flaws are passed on through generations of manipulators....

    ReplyDelete
  35. Sorry for having counted you apart from empty vessels like Sera.

    Another funny dialog from old classic 'anand'


    सलीम! हम शर्मिंदा है की आप जैसे बेटे को जनम दिया!
    खुदके गलतियों पर शर्मिंदा होना हर इंसान का फ़र्ज़ है जहापना!

    ReplyDelete
  36. //Brought in or bought in....

    ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)//


    Anyone,investing their time and MONEY in these two fellows,must have taken leave of their senses....

    These rats will jump off the sinking #4 steamer,at the slightest hint of the T formation....

    If You-know-who dreams of vexing the T people enough,to work out on a compromise on Hyderabad,they should take a long and hard look at the agitation,which has passed on the baton for several generations....

    There is enough man AND will power to last for several decades more.

    How about you???

    This nag is just not going away.....

    ReplyDelete
  37. After Sompeta,its Khakarapalli in Srikakulam,now.....

    People are being beaten up ruthlessly,trying to corporatise the places there....
    Corporates are not going to stop,there either.....

    Where are all the hypocrites,who spoke of death of democracy a couple of days ago???

    ReplyDelete
  38. sera & TG

    legacy of Peasant Revolution was another big paradox of present T movement.
    The Peasant Revolution was instrumental in bringing Andhra and Telangana closer with across the border sympathizers. During 'Police action' not only Razakars but revolutionaries were also oppressed and the movement was eliminated. Of course all this happened while "the then tallest leader of Telanganas" Pt. Nehru was silent spectator.
    After police action lakhs of acres grabbed by revolutionaries was returned to landlords by government.

    I am sure no one here would believe.
    Please see the movie 'batukamma'.
    Or get hold of Gaddar's interview on Sept 17th 2010 (maybe ABN).

    To get another perspective of 1948 events see Ghanta Chakrapani's interview on NTV on Sept 17th 2010. He was of the view that police action was wrong and attack on sovereign Hyderabad (read Nizam :-)).

    ReplyDelete
  39. Anyone,investing their time and MONEY in these two fellows,must have taken leave of their senses....

    Do not know about others MONEY. But you invested time worth 5 lines and 423 letters. That too late in night.... :-)

    ReplyDelete
  40. Where are all the hypocrites,who spoke of death of democracy a couple of days ago???

    After all hypocrites are hypocrites.

    But what happened to fellow 'victim'? They could not offer even lip service.

    ReplyDelete
  41. //Peasant Revolution was a success?//

    Who wants to know????

    ReplyDelete
  42. sera,

    I have sincere request. Please avoid such links. We already have finest examples. Why do you want help them master this art further?

    Let me tell you author missed to write about plight of others. Who can identify 'victim hood' but cannot expose the same.
    (Am I also wearing the same now. Oh God!)

    ReplyDelete
  43. @ Lavnaya

    This nag is just not going away.....

    Did you mean TG movement was a nag? I am sure you didn't. If you did then i will leave it to you. Delhi seems to think it just like that - "a nag". Not us though and I am sure not you either!!!!

    But the nag of Option 4 or Hyderabad is not going to go away. You are true.

    ;-) ;-) ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  44. Who wants to know????
    Me. From TG. Not you.

    I know very well that you consider events that occurred only after 1969 as your family has bad memories.

    Actually you also owe me an answer for the same, along with sarrakka-saralamma. But I gave up as no amount of provocation helped. You have exhibited excellent 'sithaprgnata'.

    ReplyDelete
  45. @ SLB

    Why do you want help them master this art further?

    You really made me laugh in between a drink. Curse you ;-) Waste of the finest single malt!

    ;-)

    Thanks

    ReplyDelete
  46. //Did you mean TG movement was a nag? I am sure you didn't. Delhi seems to think it just like that - "a nag". Not us though and I am sure not you either!!!!//

    Delhi is dumb enough,not to have used this opportunity to carve out new states,like SLB said....

    They are just killing time and frustrating people,which is not very good,for this problem AND for Hyderabad....

    The Centre has too many scams to cover up,and no where to go...

    //But the nag of Option 4 or Hyderabad is not going to go away. You are true.//

    Option 4 is NOT a criteria anymore,after Owaisi,himself speaking against it....

    It is already gone.....

    You should know,which horse to bet on Voldemont,Danam and Mukesh are not winning another election in Hyderabad,Owaisi will...

    ReplyDelete
  47. @ Lavanya

    Maybe we all should respond to Lord Voldemort,aka sera,as You-know-who,hence forth....

    You mean Sujai, the Lord Voldermort does not want aka Sera and Sera said that and aka Lavanya aka Sujai said that You-know-who like Lavanya aka Sujai said Lord Voldermort

    Aka. . .

    You mean Sujai thinks this blog is not a democracy but people keep addressing to sera and Lord Voldermort does not like it but him not linking it is also not liked by Lavanya but sera still writes. . .

    And still Option 4 and separate Hyderabad as a topic will still not go away. . .

    You mean that Lavanya Madam?

    ReplyDelete
  48. @sujai,
    since u mentioned nazis, lemme tell you hitler was rememebred for 2 reasons-1)someone who hated the very presence of a particular community and wanted to terminate them
    2)someone who kept an entire region under his control.
    i think both of these apply 100% to kcr

    ReplyDelete
  49. //-1)someone who hated the very presence of a particular community and wanted to terminate them
    2)someone who kept an entire region under his control.//


    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOyXmquNUHd4&h=7ba67

    ReplyDelete
  50. the insensitivity of the govt is now so clear to the common man, especially with the rachabanda program and that has resulted in this huge upheaval. the 2 day bandh is a sign of things to come during the rail roko

    ReplyDelete
  51. In telangana legislative assembly mlas will be dancing onthe tables like harish rao that is the telangana trs is looking for

    ReplyDelete
  52. he insensitivity of the govt is now so clear to the common man, especially with the rachabanda program and that has resulted in this huge upheaval.
    Both state and central govts are insensitive to common man for almost 5 years. They are sensitive only to corporate (read Reliance) "losses on the account 2 lakh crores of underwriting"...
    making a deal with America to buy uncle sam's Nuclear dump at higher prices......
    Our great democratic media moved hand-in-hand with government, rather congress party, with a great mission. Save nation from fall into the communal hands.
    Praise Mr. Clean when smiles. Praise him even if does not smile.

    But few people started seeing this govt. insensitivity and biased media only when it affected them.

    'tana daaka vaste kaani...'

    ReplyDelete
  53. he Red-shirt Protesters camped in the most Upscale neighbourhood and Crippled Banghkok for one month, same thing can be repeated here, all areas like Jubille hills and Banjara hills need to be stormed by T-protesters.

    Totally agree with you on this.

    Move villages into the city and have them camp out on every upscale area.

    Let the common man bring his life to the streets of Hyderabad. Let it be a spectacle of the century. T-issue is at crossroads. The future of 45 million people is at crossroads. Nothing wrong if the common man of Telangana camps out on the cross roads.

    Let us see how many jails the state govt. is willing to fill. Let us see how many batallions the central govt. is willing to spare to crush a peoples movement.

    20 lakhs to 30 lakhs of people, if they start walking into Hyderabad from the smaller roads and by-lanes, and bring their bullock carts into the jubilee hills.... exactly how does the police, the military and the administration propose to deal with it?

    ReplyDelete
  54. 20 lakhs to 30 lakhs of people, if they start walking into Hyderabad from the smaller roads and by-lanes, and bring their bullock carts into the jubilee hills.... exactly how does the police, the military and the administration propose to deal with it?
    Show of strength is a good tactic in politics.
    For people with short memory. CBN conducted huge rally just months before 2004 elections. City streets were colored 'yellow' with close to million extra people walking on city streets.
    But he received miserable mandate in those elections.

    'movments' should show not only strength but 'preservance' too. Let T movement match Gujjars' first before it can emulate Egypt.

    ReplyDelete
  55. @SLB..

    History will repeat...many websites from SA said that the Mahagarjana will be chaos..utterflop..
    even told that KCR is trying to dilute the interest by postponing it by one week for mahagarjana..

    No words only actions...TG people demonstrated one of the finest moments in the history by assembling more than 30 lakhs in number and not even a single untoward incident reported..


    Then came sahaya nirakarana...same websites told that the non cooperation movement will subised by itself as there is no plan or steps published by the tngo's leadership..

    Now govt is reeling under the pressure and centre has to take a stand on Telanaga Formation..

    coming to million march for telangana...

    when there is deep desire in the people for the statehood..no military forces can stop the democratic expression of the mass..

    The pseudo intellects from SA ..pls Wait and watch as u r going to witness something unprecedented on March 10th..

    Jai Telangana!!

    ReplyDelete
  56. Which moron has written in support of Mukesh and Danam. idiot! Do you have any idea what they do?

    ReplyDelete
  57. Warangal,

    you missed my comment on TDP show of strength in 2004. People gathered in large numbers, marched across city but it yielded no results.

    Do you think KCR's mahagarjana made any difference? Why center is silent 3 months after such a huge show? Even when their own party MPs threaten to resign?

    ReplyDelete
  58. I think when TDP was in power during 2004..YSR simply sweeped the public towards him through his padayatra and later busyatra..
    There was dissatifaction among the general public against TDP..even after CBN had an escape from assasination bid..
    And TDP being in power it is an easy task for them to paint yellow in entire hyd..and yet they succumbed to incumbency factor.

    Now there is strong undercurrent in the people of telangana which is growing from strength to strength..
    and the perseverance is clearly visible..

    Mahagarjana was not reported by the biased media widely at a national level..where around 30 lakh people assembled and voiced their democratice wish..
    Telangana people could manage such a mammoth rally and they made an impossible task possible..even some of my strong UA
    supporter freinds changed their stand after looking at such a gathering..

    It is irony that DGP and governor never sent proper reports on such getherings..Now it is clear to center that the state govt is not sending correct reports on the ongoing movement..
    it seems sonia gave good class to Kiran for not reporting the ground realities.

    Sahayanirakarana is on for the last 10 days and govt is feeling the heat..this sent the correct signals to center..


    The effect of Mahagarjana only strengthened the people's resolve and they became perseverent..now you could see how noncoperations is big success..

    next comes the million march..

    Next comes the announcement from Center on TG bill.. wait and watch SLB.

    ReplyDelete
  59. @ SLB,

    U really think T movement lacks perseverance? This phase started in Dec 2009. OU Vidyarthi garjana, ABVP garjana, the by-election results, Mahagarjana are some mamooth events. And the variety in programs from vanta-varpu to non-cooperation movement not to talk about the daily activities in every village/town in T - the dhoom-dhams, relay hunger strikes.

    And about your TDP point,the comparison is wrong as TDP was impressing people (voters) whereas the T rally is trying to impress upon the central government about the perseverance of the movement. And about result, it is inevitable that the central govt will have to bow down to the wishes of people, albeit a little late

    ReplyDelete
  60. Mahagarjana was not reported by the biased media widely at a national level..where around 30 lakh people assembled and voiced their democratice wish..

    Warangal,

    In my capacity, I will try and give a logical analysis of your comment.

    Point 1: I agree that state and national media were biased and they did not report Mahagarjana correctly.

    Point 2: I say center is "aware" of Mahagarjana. If not as a political party but as an administering government they should keep tab on such major incidents. I am drawing this based on Gujjar movement and WB Nandigam incidents where center HM is in touch with state over law and order status.

    If you agree with Point 2
    Point 3: Center will get reports about the ground situation from "its sources". Usually these sources are state home dept. and governor. Of course ruling party cadre.

    If you agree with Point 3
    Point 4: "its sources" are expected to give "right" reports.

    If you agree with Point 4
    Point 5: "Mahagrajana was a great message to center". And center supposed to indicate that "yes we got the message". I believe center gave no such indication. Further after SKC report center trying to put it on back burner. This is evident from Pranab's reaction to threat by T MPs to resign.


    You have right to disagree any of Point 2 to 5.
    Point 6: In such scenario I suggest you to see how center is working?
    In vacuum? In its own cocoon? I hope the 'million march' can wake them up. I leave it you on how prudent decisions and actions of such government. Whether in cocoon or open world.

    ReplyDelete
  61. U really think T movement lacks perseverance?
    Amar,
    Did I say so?
    Well! in case you feel I am not clear.
    It is not about entire T movement.
    I am asking if 'million march' can emulate Manipur's economic blockade or Gujjar's railway blockade?

    whereas the T rally is trying to impress upon the central government about the perseverance of the movement.
    Please my response to Warangal on the same.

    ReplyDelete
  62. first ever positive indicator for T formation has come yesterday from Rayapati Sambasiva rao.
    While talking to Prof. Kodandaram on TV9, he said "show patience for two months and you will get your state."

    ReplyDelete
  63. dear telangana frends
    after u get ur state, if anyone makes any statement against trs, will they give u people the same treatment wish jp got???
    ask ur MLAs if they wish to supress any sort of democratic protest???
    jai telangana jai andhra pradesh

    ReplyDelete
  64. All S.O.B's and B's patronizing T-moment, do you have a slight understanding on what this filthy movement results in ? Increased taxes,lost opportunities. Outisde of that, Nothing is gonna change for anyone including us . Perhaps Sujai is banking on few free lands. The biggest problem is in the vanity of the end result the dick heads like you guys projecting on this movement. A common man minding his work in some suburb thinks that he will be the next rock star if you get T which will definetly backfire you guys. Its too early to discuss this as Taliban state formation is not even remotely possible.

    ReplyDelete
  65. KOSTHA..

    The comments from you only show your frustation...

    Thanks for your concern..we know how to rebuild Telangana which was looted by Kosthas like you..

    You dont even know the history of the movement and call it filthy which itself shows the arrogance you have..

    Get well soon!!

    ReplyDelete
  66. You are saying us as dick heads and these dicks only f..k you kostha ..bastard!

    ReplyDelete
  67. @anon...

    i think both of these apply 100% to kcr

    February 27, 2011 12:23 AM



    what makes you believe kcr hates andhraits? all his talkings etc etc are political stunts...infact no politician of top level hates andhraits they just pretend to be...they all have very healthy relations..KTR hates JP not because he supports United AP but only because he has spoken about TRS money collections! its not about Telangana its just personel...

    ReplyDelete
  68. "
    Thanks for your concern..we know how to rebuild Telangana which was looted by Kosthas like you.."

    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice .... Probably you guys are designed for getting F*ed. At least now take it as a lesson and build your own capital rather than crying like babies for something ready made and which was built at the cost of many SA towns and SA people taxes. Dont say that you are also paying taxes which conflicts with your wining that SA's are making you jobless.

    ReplyDelete
  69. In the case of Egypt there was a very narrow but explicit goal: get rid of Mubarak. Then there was a broader goal: get rid of the ruling elite. Same in the case of Telangana Agitation the Narrow goal is the Formation of a Separate state, the broader goal is still very ambiguous ,But what they are doing in Egypt is kind of an inspiring model, but you can’t duplicate it elsewhere. So for example, what is happening in Libya is not identical to what is happening in Egypt. They have different circumstances and different problems. The same is true with the Telangana Agitation.

    ReplyDelete
  70. In the case of Egypt there was a very narrow but explicit goal: get rid of Mubarak.
    There was even more important immediate problem too. That was poverty and unemployment. And of course a success story just nearby.

    BTW, Tunisia and Egypt achieved it rather fast. But why Libiya and Baharin could not do the same?

    ReplyDelete
  71. Kostha,

    I think you should be more polite.

    It is obvious that the benefits of T state will accrue to a few politicians and contractors and maybe a few business people like Sujai, lavanya etc.

    The vast majority of T people have no real understanding of what the movement is all about. Obviously they like a T state and have sentiments for it. But these are sentiments created by the happenings of KCRs fast onwards. Unlike the 60s movement it is not out of people's hearts. The argument of T vaadis is not unfounded. Yes jobs were denied with real and fake excuses. People from SA and elsewhere created fake domicile certificates and got jobs. But all that was in the 60s and 70s. And that number is far too small to impact the 4 Cr T people. 99% of the people live in rural areas and these 1000 govt jobs have no meaning to them. The promises of Golden Telangana that are promised are just a means for the beneficiaries to achieve their goal. The argument that they put forth is : "Assuming that nothing is going to change for 99% of the people what is the loss of a T state. The 99% are not going to lose anything".

    This is the argument that they put forth. Naturally, their vested interests are far more important for them then the larger societal benefits. But they have created such a huge propaganda that the common man today asks the same question "What is there to lose".

    As for the concept of stealing water, finally everyone has stopped talking about it in view of the facts.

    Now it is 'self rule'. A stupid concept since that word is meaningless. As i have statde before it a Warangalite or a Karimnagarite takes the place of an SA, it is the same for all of us. It is still someone else 'ruling'. The concept of 'us telanganites' does not exist at the grass roots level. People from each district consider themselves to be different in many ways. The T movement is trying to create a feeling if similarity among the various districts but it is not cutting ice on that account. For Sujai etc all that is inconsequential as long as T is formed. These are people who look at Ambani and see his huge mansion and his wealth and grumble about it. They don't see the lacs of people who are benefited by Ambani.

    But this a movement which has come so far that it cannot be stopped. Eventually a compromise will happen. If the people with vested interests don't see personal benefits in the compromise formula, the movement will fizzle out. Else a T of some sort will be formed. After that it will back to normal for every human in Telangana - no change at all.

    ReplyDelete
  72. Kostha:

    The vast majority of T people have no real understanding of what the movement is all about.

    Such arrogance is usually the trait of the ruling elite, like the rulers of Libya, Egypt or Tunisia, who think that the common man doesn’t know what he is fighting for. British felt the same about innocent Indians who were brainwashed by wily and corrupt Congressmen.

    Such thinking shows whose side you are on.

    But these are sentiments created by the happenings of KCRs fast onwards.

    We, the people of Telangana, tend to believe that KCR came along later to cash in on the sentiment, rather than ‘create’ the sentiment. He is definitely credited for taking the sentiment to make it a political one. We thank him for that. But definitely we are not ready to give him the credit for ‘creating’ the sentiments.

    Unlike the 60s movement it is not out of people's hearts.

    1960s movements is a small outburst which could not sustain itself for long. It was a violent outburst which did not touch millions residing in Telangana. The movement of 1990s and 2000s is a long and sustained movement. It has produced thousands of agitations all across Telangana and has seen songs, dances, and even a movie made in its name. It has created hundreds, and may be thousands, of JACs all across Telangana.

    The argument of T vaadis is not unfounded.

    We tend to believe that T vaadis are the one of the most educated lot of all the people in India when it comes to their affairs and their issues. We usually find the opponents poor in knowledge and history. That includes you.

    As for the concept of stealing water, finally everyone has stopped talking about it in view of the facts.

    Just because we are now talking about noncooperation and introduction of bill in the parliament doesn’t mean we ignore the injustices in water. We still believe that Telangana Movement is for various important reasons and water is still one of the top in the list.

    Now it is 'self rule'. A stupid concept since that word is meaningless.

    And yet millions fight for it. Countries and states are created on this ‘stupid concept’. India got created on this ‘stupid concept’. As we speak, millions of Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, are fighting for self-rule though some of them had elections.

    The concept of 'us telanganites' does not exist at the grass roots level. People from each district consider themselves to be different in many ways.

    You could extend this argument to almost any movement and discredit it. Even for Indian Independence Movement- that the concept of ‘Indian’ did not exist at grass root level, that people from each region consider themselves to be different in many ways, and so on. The same argument can be extended to Andhras who fought for a separate state from Madras State. Such ridiculous arguments are best avoided on this blog. Otherwise it will become intellectually corrupt.

    Else a T of some sort will be formed. After that it will back to normal for every human in Telangana - no change at all.

    We tend to believe differently. We believe that T state will be formed the way we want it. Anything short, we will continue to fight. We also believe that it will be beneficial to Telangana.

    ReplyDelete
  73. Hi Sujai,
    I am from Telangana and I support the cause for having a separate state. I also like your blog. But it would be nice if you can rein in your thoughts a bit, when you speak about Mahatma Gandhi. This particular post deviates from the current struggle and brings up unnecessary arguments over hypothetical situations.
    Hope you continute to post thought provoking and interesting comments.
    Cheers,
    Anil.

    ReplyDelete
  74. @sujai
    u talk about freedom and self rule.
    ur students can bash up teachers, lawyers abuse judges, MLAs attack another mla, burn buses thrown stones on shops AND YET get away with everything with all the cases filed on them being withdrawn.
    your kcr can utter statements which are extremely provocative and can lead to riots but still no one dares say a word againts him.
    that bastard pidamarthi ravi of ou who looks nothing less than 30 and still calls himself a student in warangal in the middle of lakhs of people threated on physical violence on settlers and still he is roaming around freely
    can there be a bigger freedom than this?

    ReplyDelete
  75. "Perhaps Sujai is banking on few free lands."
    that's the problem.Every TDF activist and Student leader like Sujai is assured of something-free ladn,free SEZ,free apartment,free anything and everything. So to realize their goal they are pushing everybody the extra mile. God know who gave them the assurances,

    ReplyDelete
  76. @Sujai,Greenstar,Lavanya

    Every Telangana Person should watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J56oGIznUOQ&feature=player_embedded

    ReplyDelete
  77. Quote:
    "
    what makes you believe kcr hates andhraits? all his talkings etc etc are political stunts...infact no politician of top level hates andhraits they just pretend to be...they all have very healthy relations.."

    I read some where that KCR's daughter-in-law/Mrs. KCR is from Kakinada.

    ReplyDelete
  78. Quote:
    "
    At least now take it as a lesson and build your own capital rather than crying like babies for something ready made and which was built at the cost of many SA towns and SA people taxes."

    What an idiot this guy is, he thinks HYD was built by SA. Joke of the human history. Could you please explain us what was developed in HYD after the merge by SA? Dont say you built the Tankbund, I will be disappointment about your IQ if you say like that.

    Enough jokes, you are right KOSTA, when SA and TG was merged, HYD was in SA, later it was air lifted and moved to TG for some unknown reasons.

    ReplyDelete
  79. @POK,SLB,Lord Voldemort and others,

    Have you people ever read the poem,The Frog and the Nightingale,by Vikram Seth???

    If you did,then I think,one can draw parallels between you'll and the frog...

    The cunning frog,driven by jealousy,demoralizes,taunts,and criticizes the sweet natured nightingale,so much,that the bird is left,exploited,heart-broken, and,eventually leads to it's death....

    Several commenter's on this blog have displayed this attitude,and it is our duty to refuse to let such detractors,move us away from our aim....

    If you share the dream of achieving Telangana,please do participate in the programs,before,during and after the formation of Telangana,and not let such over confident bullies,mislead you unto suspicion and doom.....

    Do not let the hoots and scares,drive us away from our aims and ambitions....

    ReplyDelete
  80. Quote:
    "
    And that number is far too small to impact the 4 Cr T people. 99% of the people live in rural areas and these 1000 govt jobs have no meaning to them."

    Does your logic works if you take a case of PAK occupied few mountains in Kargil, and the occupied land is actually useless and tiny compared to what we have already. For that small area Indian govt spent crores of tax payers money and sacrificed hundreds of lives.

    Here point is not how small the robbery was, the point is whether the robbery happened or not and how to recover the robbed items and how to prevent it in future. Thats why our constitution sentence the thief even though he ready to give back every thing he looted.

    Quote:
    "
    People from SA and elsewhere created fake domicile certificates and got jobs. But all that was in the 60s and 70s."
    Looks like you conveniently forgot about Girglani's report.

    ReplyDelete
  81. @Aditya,


    Every Telangana Person should watch this

    Yes,they should...
    Thanks,it was a beautiful video...

    Just watching it,brought tears of emotion and anger to my eyes....

    ReplyDelete
  82. Quote:
    "
    AND YET get away with everything with all the cases filed on them being withdrawn."

    As per your argument looks like the current Indian Constitution is not working.

    Why dont you agitate to re-file the cases on every one you mentioned? You got more number of MLAs in current state assembly, I am sure you will win and save the democracy.

    ReplyDelete
  83. Another slap who argues that SA people in TG are against to TG formation.

    http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-28-2-2011/27story4a.jpg

    ReplyDelete
  84. వడ్డితాండ్రలో పోలీసు కాల్పులు,ముగ్గురి మృతి
    శ్రీకాకుళం : శ్రీకాకుళం జిల్లా సంతబొమ్మాళి మండలం వడ్డితాండ్రలో థర్మల్‌కేంద్ర స్థాపనకు వ్యతిరేకంగా ఉద్యమిస్తున్న ఆందోళనకారులపై పోలీసులు కాల్పులు జరపడంతో ముగ్గురు మృతి చెందారు.
    శనివారం నాడు ఉద్యమకారులపై పోలీసులు లాఠీఛార్జి చేసిన విషయం తెలిసిందే. థర్మల్‌కేంద్రం వద్దంటూ కాకరపల్లి, హనుమంతరాయపేట, ఆకాశలక్కవరం గ్రామప్రజలు కొద్దిరోజుల నుంచి ఆందోళనలు నిర్వహిస్తున్నారు. ఈ క్రమంలో శనివారం నుంచి ఉద్రిక్త పరిస్థితులు ఏర్పడ్డాయి. సోమవారం థర్మల్‌ కేంద్ర స్థలాన్ని చుట్టుముట్టేందుకు ప్రయత్నించిన గ్రామస్థులపై పోలీసులు కాల్పులు జరిపారు. ఆందోళనకారులు రాళ్లతో పోలీసులపై దాడి చేశారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా గ్రామంలోని గుడిసెలు కాలిపోవడం కనిపించిందని మీడియా ప్రతినిధులు పేర్కొన్నారు.
    థర్మల్‌ విద్యుత్‌కేంద్ర వ్యతిరేక ఉద్యమకారులపై పోలీసు కాల్పులకు ఆదేశించలేదని రాష్ట్ర డీజీపీ అరవిందరావు తెలిపారు. రబ్బరు బుల్లెట్లను అతిసమీపంనుంచి ప్రయోగించినా తలపై తగిలినా ప్రాణాలు కోల్పోయే అవకాశముందన్నారు.

    -Eenadu.com Feb 28, 2011

    Where are those Indian democracy saviors who cried like hungry baby recently when JP was manhandled?

    I think SA version of Constitution says this how democracy works.

    Looks like there is no end of our DGP's evil, when he ordered to fire the very same rubber bullets on TG agitators, he said these bullets are not life threatening. This proves he intentionally used killing bullets on TG people and he knows how to kill with rubber bullets, and same time he can escape from such kills by saying he only used rubber bullets. SA style .....

    ReplyDelete
  85. Green Star,

    And what does the Girglani report say that contradicts me?

    ReplyDelete
  86. These SA guys always talks about the TG hatred towards SA. Why dont they talk the same about there hatred towards TG in the disguise of United Andhra?

    For every TG post in any media where comments posting available, all of them are filled with all hate comments towards TG and there people. I still dont understand how a human brain will think to stay with some one who they hate very much?

    For example, see the following posts and SA fanboys hate comments towards TG people?

    I have no words to describe the devils who neck-deep hate the TG and there people but with fake smiling face they say they love the same TG people and wants to stay united.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ap-cm-fails-to-convince-telangana-cong-mlas/20110228.htm

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/andhra-cm-meets-sonia-discusses-telangana-issue/20110227.htm

    ReplyDelete
  87. @All the resident's of Hyderabad,

    Please stock up on your basic essentials,like rice,medicines,vegetables, oils,pulses,petrol etc for the next few days....

    Please stay away from railway lines tomorrow,and try not to use your cars,unless absolutely needed...

    Any inconvenience is deeply and truly regretted....

    May the March begin....

    Jai Telangana....

    ReplyDelete
  88. Sujai,

    Maybe you should spend a few days in the villages of Telangana ( not warangal or Karimnagar). Ask the villagers a few Qs:
    1. Do you want T state?: the answer will be yes by 100% present.

    2. What will you get by T?: 50% don't know what to say, a few say they will get jobs, a few more say they will get more water, a few say that Andhras have taken all the state's money.

    3. What happens if we don't get T? There is a general silence. Then they start answering as below:
    a)What can we do. our leaders are duds
    b)KCR has done something. he is andhraite.

    similar statements later I ask:

    4. What will be change in our lives here? Nothing will change. We hope they continue YSR schemes.

    Questions about 'self rule' evoke zero response. When I explain that self means people from telangana will control all resources, they draw a blank. They ask if the 'new person' will be like YSR. Any amount of explaining holds no water to them.

    Sujai, pl check this yourself in any village of MBNR. There are young kids coming from Hyd and talking about 'own state'. A few questions and wisdom dawns on them. They realize the futility of their aspirations.

    ReplyDelete
  89. So lavanya,

    if a Telanganite kid in Karimnagar town falls sick what do you want to happen. No medicines will reach Karimnagar. No petrol will be there. No food. No water. No transport. Doctors are at home. Doctors can't reach the hospitals.

    ReplyDelete
  90. Quote:
    "
    Green Star,

    And what does the Girglani report say that contradicts me?
    "


    Quote:
    "
    People from SA and elsewhere created fake domicile certificates and got jobs. But all that was in the 60s and 70s. And that number is far too small to impact the 4 Cr T people."


    First point, TG population was not 4 Cr in 60s and 70s.

    Girglani report says the illegally occupying Govt. jobs in TG was not stopped after 60s and 70s but it is still happening.

    ReplyDelete
  91. http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/2-killed-in-protests-in-andhras-srikakulam-88424

    Hyderabad: Two people have been killed in Andhra Pradesh's Srikakulam district in protests against a thermal power plant.

    The police reportedly opened fire in the Kakarapalli area of Srikakulam district where East Coast Energy is constructing a thermal power plant. Locals argue that the project will destroy the wetland that supports many fishermen.

    "With rubber bullets, normally people won't die, but we will verify. Today there was tension because people attacked the plant, all the neighbouring villagers came with huge sticks, attacked the plant, so the police was also there," said K Aravinda Rao, the Director General of the Andhra Pradesh police.

    The Naupada swamps in this part of the state have been acknowledged as a fragile wetland area. The company, however, has been granted the necessary environmental clearances by the government. Environmentalists allege that the permissions have been bought.

    "They don't even mention that it is a wetland," says Former Union Energy Secretary EAS Sharma.

    "What is Environment Impact Assessment that doesn't mention that it is a wetland?'' said Sharma.

    In July last year, two villagers were killed in a similar protest against another thermal power plant in the same district.

    ReplyDelete
  92. Tax Payer

    Folks,

    why are we supporting and discussing the careers of the political leeches, be it in Seeded aka Seema or Kostha aka Andhra or Nizam aka telagana?

    My parents are farmers from Nizamabad. I have been graduated from JUNTU Hyd and MBA from XLRI. I am working in Hyderabad in IT paying more than 6 lakhs avg per annum tax for past 10 years. So far I have paid around 90 lakhs in Tax in the past 20 years. I don't have any say in how my tax paid income has to be spent unlike in developed countries.

    I am looking for a day where in govt will give me welfare and development options I can choose to spend my hard earned money.

    Any comments/suggestions from non-politicos?

    -True Telaganite

    ReplyDelete
  93. @ POK

    The Girglani Commission submitted its final report on 30.9.2004 with 126 findings and suggested 35 remedial measures because Telangana share of government jobs misallocated to non-Telengana persons varied from 1,00,000 to 2,00,000.

    ReplyDelete
  94. Seemandhra,

    This Telangana movement is a blackmail movement. All the Telangana Elite have found a way to loot entire produce of Andhra Pradesh people in form of self rule. They tried on the development plank which proved wrong and futile so the new slogan is self rule. When it comes to self rule, all the 100 Crore Indians can ask for Self rule.

    ReplyDelete
  95. Common Man in AP/India is hard working and not dumb enough to recognise the master loot program by Telangana Elite, KCR gang. The common man in AP do not care if KCR/Jagan is CM or Kiran is CM. The difference is instead of Kiran, KCR/Jagan will loot. Earlier YSR. Now Jagan and KCR has hatched a plan to loot AP together.

    ReplyDelete
  96. Quote:
    "
    The common man in AP do not care if KCR/Jagan is CM or Kiran is CM. The difference is instead of Kiran, KCR/Jagan will loot. Earlier YSR. Now Jagan and KCR has hatched a plan to loot AP together."

    Congratulations on your discovery, great man.

    Only problem is, we already know this, and that is the reason every time in the elections, he loose. Thanks any way for warning.

    Quote:
    "
    When it comes to self rule, all the 100 Crore Indians can ask for Self rule."

    That is correct, what's your solution? Shall we demand to revert the India back to how it was used to look when we got the Independence?

    ReplyDelete
  97. POK:

    Maybe you should spend a few days in the villages of Telangana

    I have done that quite a few times in the last one year. I have asked the questions that you have given here. Yes, many of them do not articulate the way I articulate on this blog, but they have a clear idea on what they want. They want their separate state. They want water. They want jobs. Few of them, educated ones, are able to say more things, like ‘aatma gauravam’, etc. Some of the villagers, even illiterate, also talk about G0 610 and talk about various irrigation project names (this they have learnt through songs which are quite an effective medium in these parts of Telangana).

    I have also met extremely learned people taking part in the agitation. Some young boys could articulate stuff far better than I can. In front them I just shut up and listen.

    In all struggles people would know what they want, but not necessarily express it. The same is true of Telangana Movement. These observations won’t be any different amongst protestors in Egypt, who may say only one slogan, ‘Mubarak! Go’. That slogan is good enough to rally entire country. Even during Indian Independence, not many Indians thought of self-rule. They thought of overthrowing British Rule. That was their only slogan. Just because they had only one slogan, and because they are not able to articulate the way we can, it does not diminish their struggles, or their commitments; either it is Egyptians against Mubarak or Indians against British or Telanganas against Seemandhras.

    Questions about 'self rule' evoke zero response. When I explain that self means…

    I am quite sure your listeners must be quite confused. No offence but I am confident that you don't understand what ‘self-rule’ means.

    ReplyDelete
  98. The Girglani Commission submitted its final report on 30.9.2004 with 126 findings and suggested 35 remedial measures because Telangana share of government jobs misallocated to non-Telengana persons varied from 1,00,000 to 2,00,000.

    Lol! Yet another fan boy of big numbers.

    Amar,

    can you show the volume, chapter and page where Mr. Girglani reported the numbers you mentioned?

    Leave alone numbers, can show a statement where Girglani said 'non-Telangana persons'?

    DO not tell me "read yourself" I read the complete report. Here is the excerpt from Page 262, VOL I of final report.
    In the various representations to the government and in the Press a figure ranging 40,000 to 58,000 of non-locals working in zones V and VI is being given as those who are working in violation of the Presidential Order. The statistical part of non-locals and locals has been examined by the Commission and it will be seen that the percentage of non-locals in the zones V and VI is negligible and far below the sealing of 20 per cent. Therefore on the statistical aspect there is no question of any action or implementation of the G.O.

    ReplyDelete
  99. May the March begin....
    March has begun already. And May will follow soon.:-)

    ReplyDelete
  100. Do not let the hoots and scares,drive us away from our aims and ambitions....

    Booo..

    Madamjee,

    it is a revelation to me that Madamjee considers a few arguments, especially kind of time pass stuff, against movement and will scare T activists.

    What Ms. Arundhati Roy or Vikram Seth would title it "weakness withing"?


    BTW, did you read my explanation to Warangal on why Mahagarjana made no impact on center? Is that one scared you?

    ReplyDelete
  101. @SLB

    In CHAPTER 8 -

    “Thus by this ingenious method the local candidates were deprived of the preferential treatment under the Presidential Order. By resorting to these methods the estimated number of posts that were Gazetted after 18.10.1975 (date of Order) cannot be less than a lakh of vacancies which otherwise would have been filled by local candidates.”

    CHAPTER 7 -
    “This was only the tip of the iceberg as many more non-locals were employed as Work Charged Employees in Departments which did not furnish figures to the Commission”. ..
    “Such exclusion is even more unjustifiable. These have to be brought under the Local Cadres

    The Girgliani Commission recorded that the Irrigation Department regularized 17,161, Road & Building 5,984, Panchayat Raj 7,860 – a total of 40,870 who were non-local (i.e., not Telengana persons) in the Telengana region.

    Only 2 chapters and the sum is already 1.5 lakh. Big numbers indeed. There are other departments/jobs discussed in report about lecturers etc..

    If you only care to read further, this is what the commission said about why only 52 HODs out of 102 HODs responded with facts and figures to the commission -

    “ Government may devise some means by which the HOD’s will cooperate in giving information required by the Commission in matters of deviations” (16.2.5)

    “Perhaps the government may also consider taking action against those who are responsible unless it has been permitted at the Government level itself.’ (16.15.4)

    So what were the Andhra HODs hiding? Where could the 1.5-2 lakh figure go if the others cooperated?

    You have not read the report, if you did you would have asked the question yourself.

    ReplyDelete
  102. Sujai,
    "I am quite sure your listeners must be quite confused. No offence but I am confident that you don't understand what ‘self-rule’ means"

    True. I don't understand what self-rule means as understood by you. To me there will never be self-rule for anybody. My relatives becoming MLAs, MPs, Ministers, CM does not make me self-ruled. My MBNR people controlling everything does not make me self-ruled. Nothing is going to change for the common man if T people control resources. Atmost a lack may get jobs in the near future. Beyond that there will be no change at all. Some people will get benefit. Some get contracts. Some will get land. SA businessmen may stop getting land. SA contractors may stop getting contracts.

    Forming a state with T districts has no sentiment for me. I have absolutely no illwill on account of the fact that SA people have been running the show for so many years. Things are changing now and will only be better for T specifically Nalgonda and MBNR. The issue of jobs is a foregone issue now.

    There are however many people like you whose ancestors were probaly affected by the SA people - in terms of resources/jobs/contracts/businesses/emotions/culture/language/caste etc. To such people the only way out is 'throwing out the SAs'. I understand the intense hatred. But I don't share the feelings. Many of us do not. So we shall continue to behave as we do. Just as some of you are trying to create a feeling of togetherness based on the concept of 'us Telanagnites', there are many of us who differ. We don't believe in the concept of 'us telanganites'. we see no reason to be considered similar to those from Karimnagar or Warangal rather than from Anantapur or Srikakulam. To me a Karimnagarite is as similar as a Srikakulamite or as different.
    Today, a lot of young people, without really having deep insights have been carried away by the flow of the T movement. They may not understand the implications of what they are doing. They will realize it much later. But who cares? For those who want a T state the goal would have been achieved. The damagae to all the young kids is collateral damage. Everything goes back to what is was before a T. But for many fo you, your deep-rooted animosity would have cooled. Many of you may get zero benefit but the emotional satisfaction will far outweigh the redudancy of the whole exercise.

    Today, the movement is on your side. If sustained it may result in your dreams.

    But as you will all realize the world is a zero sum game and to get something you have to give up something.

    ReplyDelete
  103. There are however many people like you whose ancestors were probaly affected by the SA people - in terms of resources/jobs/contracts/businesses/emotions/culture/language/caste etc.
    The is the true reason behind 54 year T movement.

    For those who understand analogies better here is one.

    In 1971 India helped liberate East Pakistan and form Independent Bangladesh. But not all Bangladeshis show same gratitude. Moreover there are strong pro-Pakistani sections in Bangladesh that work against India. Bangladesh Rifles known as BDR still has Pakistani sympathizers. Time and again they provoke BSF with some cross border firing.

    ReplyDelete
  104. "Like Enemy Like Fight"

    Like enemy Sujai, like Sera comment

    ReplyDelete
  105. @SLB

    In CHAPTER 8 -

    “Thus by this ingenious method the local candidates were deprived of the preferential treatment under the Presidential Order. By resorting to these methods the estimated number of posts that were Gazetted after 18.10.1975 (date of Order) cannot be less than a lakh of vacancies which otherwise would have been filled by local candidates.”

    CHAPTER 7 -
    “This was only the tip of the iceberg as many more non-locals were employed as Work Charged Employees in Departments which did not furnish figures to the Commission”. ..
    “Such exclusion is even more unjustifiable. These have to be brought under the Local Cadres

    The Girgliani Commission recorded that the Irrigation Department regularized 17,161, Road & Building 5,984, Panchayat Raj 7,860 – a total of 40,870 who were non-local (i.e., not Telengana persons) in the Telengana region.

    Only 2 chapters and the sum is already 1.5 lakh. Big numbers indeed. There are other departments/jobs discussed in report about lecturers etc..

    If you only care to read further, this is what the commission said about why only 52 HODs out of 102 HODs responded with facts and figures to the commission -

    “ Government may devise some means by which the HOD’s will cooperate in giving information required by the Commission in matters of deviations” (16.2.5)

    “Perhaps the government may also consider taking action against those who are responsible unless it has been permitted at the Government level itself.’ (16.15.4)

    So what were the Andhra HODs hiding? Where could the 1.5-2 lakh figure go if the others cooperated?

    You have not read the report, if you did you would have asked the question yourself.

    ReplyDelete
  106. @ Think Positive

    Like enemy Sujai, like Sera comment

    Thanks for your compliment. I do not see Sujai as a enemy or such. I see him as a guy who is stuck in his childhood stage and who is unable to come out of it. It happens. We form our dreams (in Sujai's case the idea that somebody is responsible for our woes) in our childhood and we grow up with them. A most common example you find is when you hear some people who blame their mother, father or relatives or teachers or school for their lack of success in later life or their woes without coming to terms with reality.

    And you will find people protesting and even getting away with their perceptions specially in a socialist soft state.

    And these "mass movements" can be very addictive. They have a romanticness about them that its common for people to feel drawn to them. There's a certain sense of raw tribalism where primordial passions are aroused - almost like a drug. It gives a high.

    @ POK

    We don't believe in the concept of 'us telanganites'. we see no reason to be considered similar to those from Karimnagar or Warangal rather than from Anantapur or Srikakulam. To me a Karimnagarite is as similar as a Srikakulamite or as different. . .

    Today, the movement is on your side. If sustained it may result in your dreams.

    But as you will all realize the world is a zero sum game and to get something you have to give up something.


    That's absolutely right POK on many counts. Sujai wants Hyderbadis to identify with a Karimanagarite or a Vijayawadaite and we don't.

    And yes something has to be given up. And that thing will be Hyderabad. Or maybe even Hyderabad with Nalgonda and MBNR.

    And like you said POK, the movement is definitely on the TGs side. Actually it was always, at least since Dec 9th.

    We know that this is the time when the iron is hot. A good strike where it matters (Delhi) will define the outcome.

    ReplyDelete
  107. SOCIAL BOYCOTT OF ALL ANDHRA people should be Started in Hyderabad and Telangana districts, It already started in Nizamabad and Adilabad, If you Have Andhra friends stop speaking to them, If you own a Shop Refuse to Sell them, Dont buy from a Shop owned by Andhras and ask your Friends not to Buy from Andhra owned shops.

    Boycott Andhra owned companies, like Heritage, DO NOT BUY HERITAGE MILK OR CURD PRODUCTS,ITS OWNED BY chandrabu Naidu, the greatest samaykhandhra supporter.


    DONT BEAT UP ANDHRAS BUT PURPOSELY TALK INFFRONT OF THEM like " EE ANDHRA KODKUKULU MANALNI EPPUDU IDSIPEDTHARU".


    Write Graffiti on the Walls of Andhra houses, like "ANDHRAS GO BACK", this may look bit harsh but its the only Option, If we are not Agressive enough, they will Project it as our weakness.


    SAMKYANHRA SUPPORTERS OR the "Sera" type UT supporters have not managed to Organize even a single rally or Meeting in support of their views in HYDERABAD, lets keep it that way and If they Organize we have to Stage Counter Protests and Shadow their every Action, like how leftist protestors do to Nazi Supporters.


    Now even Hyderabads Muslims are totally with us, Let us Prepare for the Million man march, on March 10th, this sounds Poetic, 10 lakh people march on 10 th March for Telangana.

    ReplyDelete
  108. @tg
    greatest thing in this world is friendship and you, just for that bastard politiocians, would stop taliking to your andhra friends???
    on the other hand kcr and lagadapati keep "loving" each other.
    asalu siggu undaali friendship ki kooda pranteeya tatvam pettadaaniki.

    ReplyDelete
  109. @Taxpayer/True telanganite

    //why are we supporting and discussing the careers of the political leeches//

    It is these very leeches,who get to enjoy the power to decide how,when and where our hard earned money goes....
    This agitation is a way,to hold the politicians responsible,for the pathetic,political,social and economic situations prevailing in several parts of our region...

    //I don't have any say in how my tax paid income has to be spent unlike in developed countries.
    I am looking for a day where in govt will give me welfare and development options I can choose to spend my hard earned money.//

    I come from a family,where my elders have received recognitions,for being honest tax payers.We have been taught that,the government utilises the taxes money,to help the poor,and for our development.The month of March would keep most of us busy,running around the CA's...

    I find,that all that hard work,and honesty had only been filling up the coffers of the corrupt,today....
    The problems have only compounded ,and new ones have surfaced,making the divide,between the have's and have not's,wide and clear....

    Being a tax payer,myself,I can understand your apathy and anger in being taken for a ride,but,also say that we only have ourselves to blame,for this scenario.....

    We wouldn't have been witnessing all the scams,and the corrupt ways,in which our government has decided to function.We wouldn't have been feeling frustrated,while discussing our taxes,if we had learnt to question and fight for our rights...
    Today,we have stooped so much,that we are requesting foreign banks and countries to release details of our corrupt representatives.....

    It is this accountability,that we are seeking from the politicians of Telangana,AP and India,today....

    And,I know,it is only the beginning....

    //Any comments/suggestions from non-politicos?//

    Be assured,many of us here are not great fans of the politicians of our country,or our state.....

    The people,all over the world have risen against the corrupted,and dictatorial ways of their governments.
    Whose suggestions and opinions have they taken,to question their governments???

    Why do we need to explain each and every person,educated,or otherwise,that our representatives have failed us???

    Do you not see it,yourself??

    Are you happy,with the way things,are functioning,in our state and our country???

    If you are happy,with the way of things,then do not ask us,why and for whom we fight???
    If you not,then join the fight.....

    Do not fight for others,just for yourself,will do.....

    ReplyDelete
  110. @tg

    manishini manishila choodatam nerchuko

    ReplyDelete
  111. emoo kanee Andhronni Pandhila Chuddam maa Telanganollu nertchukunnaru

    ReplyDelete
  112. @tg

    raj news telecasts ads of seemandhra films and businesses
    politicians irrespetvie of region are close to each otherand have business dealings
    and you, talking about socially boycotting a person who has come to your town for livelihood
    boycott heritage-very good i wholly welcome you

    but kindly dont go beyond that.
    eppudu tirupathi or srisailam vellaleda???

    ReplyDelete
  113. TG,
    "DONT BEAT UP ANDHRAS BUT PURPOSELY TALK INFFRONT OF THEM like " EE ANDHRA KODKUKULU MANALNI EPPUDU IDSIPEDTHARU".

    Some more ideas for you:

    Pack off KCR to Bobbili.
    Make KTR give up his partnership in his construction firm with an 'Andhrodu'.
    Make KTR give up the construction sub-contractorship with Lanco Infra.
    Stop buying medicines produced by "Andhra' pharma companies.
    Stop going to 'Andhra' clinics and hospitals.
    Stop all Nizamabad farmers and traders from selling turmeric to Andhra traders
    Stop all Adilabad farmers and traders from selling cotton to andhra traders.
    Stop smoking 'Andhra' tobbaco.
    Stop buying petrol that comes from Andhra region.
    Stop sending coal to Andhra.
    Stop eating fish since most of it comes from Andhra.
    Stop selling flats to Andhras.
    Stop taking andhras in your autos.
    Stop taking loans from Andhra bank.
    Stop buying seeds from Andhra seed companies
    Stop buying fertilizer from andhras based companies.

    Stop working in Andhra companies.
    Stop working under "andhra' bosses. better to resign.
    Don't employ 'andhras' in your companies.
    And for heaven's sake atleast NOW, stop selling lands to Andhras !!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  114. http://www.sacw.net/article1947.html

    Punish the Guilty and Cancel Bhavanapadu Thermal Power Project

    New Delhi, February 25 : The memories of the police killings, atrocities in Sompeta are yet to fade and the government of Andhra Pradesh is back to terrorizing people. Today morning the Srikakulam District Authorities deployed a large number of Police force, imposed Section 144 and started mass arrests of people – including women – without any incidence of violence or provocation and without issuance of any Warrant. Police destroyed the tents of those sitting on relay hunger strike in Vadditandra village and Hanumanth Naidupet. Police then resorted to firing at the villagers, injuring 8 people. There have also been reports of the police beating villagers and terrorizing.

    NAPM strongly condemns the high handedness of the police and illegality of their action and demands immediate action against the police officials. As a background, since August 2010, villagers have been protesting at Vadditandra village, Santabommali Mandal in Srikakulam District, against setting up of 2640 MW Bhavanapadu Thermal Power Project, constructed by East Coast Energy Pvt. Ltd. The project is located within the internationally recognised Wetland system of Naupada swamps and just 2.5 kms away from an important Bird Area Site (IBAS) Telineelapuram. According to environmental laws of India Wetlands are protected areas, where no polluting activity can be taken up.

    Earlier the Environment Clearance granted by MoEF to the company on 9th April 2009 was challenged in HC and National Environment Appellate Authority. Ignoring the fact that the company had started construction, even before the formal EC from MoEF, in connivance of district administration and state government, NEAA and HC both dismissed these petitions. However, NEAA in its order dated 7-9-2010 had laid down additional conditions, including a) “No filling and raising of land beyond 1317 acres within wetlands of which 150 acres would be greenbelt”, and b) “No activity in identified 483 acres of land which includes 8 acres of proposed pond near the temple”. The company has continued to violate these conditions and also failed to return 500 acres of land, which it promised to surrender on the southern side of the site, in deference to the ecological concerns that were raised. ECPCL obtained Environment Clearance from MOEF on the basis of this assurance. In reality, ECEPL never surrendered the land. Instead, it formed a benami company, Meghavaram Power Company Ltd. (MPCL) to set up another 500 MW plant within that 500 acre land, thereby hoodwinking MoEF and violating its own assurance given to EAC. On this ground alone, the Environment Clearance (EC) is liable to be revoked.

    The farmers and the fishing communities of Kakarapalli have been protesting since it impacts their livelihood and blocks access to natural resources. The conditions here are similar to the one in Srikakulam where the EC granted to Nagarjuna Construction Company was cancelled after the protests and police firing which claimed lives of two people. We strongly condemn this and urge the MoEF and State Government of Andhra Pradesh to cancel the project and demand action against the district administration and company officials, and immediate withdrawal of police force and relief to those injured and arrested.

    If in this age and time we continue to believe in the ideal that ’Development flows from the barrel of the Gun’ then it is a shame for the democratic traditions and principles and complete violations of Constitution. We stand by those struggling against the nefarious designs of corporations who are constantly scheming to wrest control of natural resources and exploit them for the profit making.

    ReplyDelete
  115. @pok
    few more aditions to your list:
    *ask vijayashanthi to fuck off from telangana
    i have not heard her talk in tg accent ATLEAST ONCE.in fact i know a person who told me that he once met her grand father in anaparthy town of east godavari district

    *ask ktr to do his intermediate once again as he did it in guntiur vignyan college

    *attack the temple of tirumala tirupathi devasthanam in hyderabad as Lord Venkateshwara is a "rayalaseema" devudu

    *stop going to narayana sri chaitanya and instead go to karimnagar govt jr college.

    *there are a number of seemandhraites working in IT companies in usa.so dont use any software application like MS Office, oracle, google,java, etc as there are high chances that it might have a seemandhraite working in its team.

    *never salute the national flag as its tricololurs were given by pingali venkayya

    *kakatiya dynasty had marritial alliances with people from coastal andhra. so rename kakatiya university

    ReplyDelete
  116. kcr next statement

    *hollywood shootings used to be carried out in siddipet.seemandhra palakula vachaaka vallu los angeleski vellipoyaaru

    *edu kondalu okappudu telanganalo undevi.rayalaseema vaallu tirupathiki teesukupoyaaru

    *okappudu samudram undedi telanganalo.idi valasa palakula kutra

    ReplyDelete
  117. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/131198/india/telangana-rail-roko-agitation-paralyses-train-services.html


    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/telangana-rail-roko-cripples-train-services/20110301.htm

    ReplyDelete
  118. Lavanya,

    Forget Srikakulam. It is not in telangana. There are other forums for it.
    Anyway, Srikakulam has other issues wrt these power plants. There are brahmin vs non-brahmin issues going back to the 1950s, particularly in relation to naxal leaders of those days. Some of those issues are being raked up now. So forget it....unless you are related to PVNR.......or the naxal movement....then you may be directly connected to some issues.

    ReplyDelete
  119. http://www.fullhyderabad.com/hyderabad-news/rail-roko-agitation-supported-by-telangana-telugu-desam-party-forum-3714

    28th Feb, 2011: Telangana Telugu Desam Party Forum (TTDPF) Convenor Nagam Janardhan Reddy on Monday stated that the forum would extend full cooperation to the 'rail roko' agitation called by the Telangana Political Joint Action Committee (TPJAC) on March 1st.

    Talking to media persons at the Assembly Media Point, the TTDPF Convenor said that the proceedings in the Assembly would be stalled until the state government introduces a resolution on Telangana state formation in the House.

    Janardhan Reddy also accused the state government of not responding properly to the Telangana state issue.

    He said that despite 4 lakh employees participating in the non-cooperation agitation and stalling the administration, Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy was stating everything was fine, and that the people are satisfied with the development programs.

    These statements belie the fact that the Chief Minister has not addressed the most contentious issue it faces, the separate Telangana statehood demand, the senior TDP leader stated. In this context, the Chief Minister's statements were contrary to reality, he alleged.

    @sera,

    Two down....

    ReplyDelete
  120. <<but kindly dont go beyond that.
    eppudu tirupathi or srisailam vellaleda???


    Manytimes, stayed for couple of days and came Back, Not like you leeches i didnt stay and Steal their land ,water or Jobs.

    ReplyDelete
  121. <<<Forget Srikakulam. It is not in telangana.


    Jeez I thought were still living in United AP, guess while 6million Andhra Vampires have the right to bleed Telangana dry, telangana people dont even have the right to question about Andhra places like Srikakulam, wait for few days they will burst your United Andhra myth and ask for a sepeate North Andhra.

    No one likes to live united with Slimy Andhra Pigs, be it Tamils,Telanganas,Seema people or North Andhra people- who are totally different from the Blood sucking breed of Krishna,Guntur,east west godavari Gang.

    The greates victims of Andhra greed are tribals from Kammam, Vizianagaram, Sreekakulam, If violence takes place they will be the first persons to "Lynch" Andhra pigs like you.

    ReplyDelete
  122. @ POK great list thanks for taking time to Identify goals for Telangana Agitation, the easiest way to Do all you mentioned Is Drive off Andhra Dongalu, who steal Jobs, land and water. Think you are one from the "JOBS" category your Category is the largest group of Blood suckers, Something like 6 lakh Jobs (if Pvt counted) stolen by Andhra pigs, they are certainly going to be kicked OUt, so their family dependants are also gonna leave that make it 6*5 = 30 lakh Andhras, Plus The Land grabbing Industrial Robber Baron "Lagadapati" class may amount to Only few thousand but they Cause the greatest amount of suffering, If they are kicked out, land rates will come down and Benefits will start goin to TG. and the "Andhra" employees Patronised by them will be kicked out.


    So my Guess is that atleast 3 Million Andhras have to Migrate to their Shit Hole, even if KCR promises you that he wont hurt ANDHRAS, this will definitely happen alteast in the long term.

    ReplyDelete
  123. //Forget Srikakulam. It is not in telangana.//

    Fortunately,for me,I do not think like you....

    And,if someone hasn't told you already,all problems are related,and eventually,catch up with the other....

    There is no escaping realities,just facing them,and fighting them...

    ReplyDelete
  124. TG,

    So now private jobs are also to be reserved for Telanganites. Good.
    So all Telanganites all over the country and world have to come back !!!!

    All these days I thought you were only an immature idiot.

    I hope someone publsihes your ranting. It would make a good reading for the country's people

    ReplyDelete
  125. TG sounds a lot like that fellow aditya who used to be on this forum.

    ReplyDelete
  126. @tg

    u said that you visisted holy in seemandhra districts
    devudiki leni prantteeyatatvam manushulaki enduku?
    and talking about jobs, as pok said number of jobs in pvt sector is much more and in pvt sector, there is no scope whatsoever for.
    and regarding the 4 districts u mentiond, i agree 2-3 caste people of those districts are the root cause for all the problems.

    ReplyDelete
  127. Anonymous said...

    >> BTW, Tunisia and Egypt achieved it rather fast. But why Libiya and Baharin could not do the same?

    Excellent question. Seperate reasons in both cases, both of which are relevant to our andh(r)a "fiends":

    a. Gaddafi's brazen use of force (which "Narahimsan" is planning to emulate)
    b. Using the Sunni ruling elite to stop the majority Shias in Bahrain (close paralells with Jagadapati & co and their followers)

    ReplyDelete
  128. TG said...
    "Manytimes, stayed for couple of days and came Back, Not like you leeches i didnt stay and Steal their land ,water or Jobs."


    Wonder what our USA T forums members will say about this comment !!!!

    ReplyDelete
  129. Lavanya said...

    "May the March begin...."

    Well said!

    Let me add a word to the andh(r)a folks: "beware the ides of March"

    ReplyDelete
  130. Amar,

    You are the first one to show the 'one lakh' figure in from Grigalani Report.

    Unfortunately my source does not tally with your extracts. Of course my source are public.

    telangana.org
    Abstract

    talanganautsav.com
    Report Volum II

    scribd.com
    Report: VOL I & III

    Before I can comment further I would like to match your source.

    Coming to your interpretations:

    Girglani reported Zonal-wise violations and not region-wise. Do not try to present them as violations in Telangana. In case you do not understand well. Here is some explanation. Telangana has two zones V and VI. The violations include across these two zones also.

    ReplyDelete
  131. Well the govt is Planning to Cut the pay for Telangana employees for the Days they participated in Non-coperation stir, So only one option left Folks, TOTAL SHUTDOWN, GENERAL STRIKE,(that was the final straw that broke Mubaraks back) hope same occurs here.

    ReplyDelete
  132. I thought it was a Stupid Move by Telangana employees for Not Preparing their Own Pay Slips, Turns out Employees at Secretariat(thats 90% Andhra thugs) are also not gonna be Paid, So They are gonna feel the PAIN.

    ReplyDelete
  133. TG said...

    >> If you Have Andhra friends stop speaking to them

    This is exactly what the andh(r)as want us to do, don't fall into their trap!

    most of my Andhra friends & family members are supporting Telangana. Some of them are more vociferous than many T-vadis.

    If you own a Shop Refuse to Sell them, Dont buy from a Shop owned by Andhras and ask your Friends not to Buy from Andhra owned shops.

    >> Boycott Andhra owned companies, like Heritage

    Agreed

    >> DONT BEAT UP ANDHRAS BUT PURPOSELY TALK INFFRONT OF THEM

    No, let us not descend to that level.

    >> If we are not Agressive enough, they will Project it as our weakness.

    If we are aggressive, they will call us names & whine. Actually they are doing it already even there is near zero violence.

    Our fight is with Andhra plutocrats, not with ordinary people.

    Yes, we can do some "non-cooperation" with even ordinary Andhras. For example, reply in Telangana or Urdu when someone speaks to you in "tegulu".

    ReplyDelete
  134. <<<So now private jobs are also to be reserved for Telanganites.



    No Telangana person is asking for RESERVATION( your Andhra Kapu beggers are doing that) .WE ARE ASKING TO STOP THE DISCRIMINATION, against telanganites that is a Common place even in Private Sector by Andhra Managers and their companies.

    ReplyDelete
  135. Amar,

    You are the first one to show the 'one lakh' figure in from Grigalani Report.

    Unfortunately your extracts do not match with my sources. Of course my sources are not MINE but available in public.

    Here they are

    Abstract on telangana.org. www.telangana.org/Papers/article16.asp

    Volume II on talanganautsav.com

    Report: VOL I & III on www.scribd.com search for words "girglani commission report"

    Before I can comment further I would like to match your sources. :-)


    I would like to comment on your interpretation of (i.e., not Telengana persons)
    But let us match our so sources first.

    ReplyDelete
  136. Lavanya said...

    >> Punish the Guilty and Cancel Bhavanapadu Thermal Power Project

    Thanks a lot for the link, this is Sompet all over again.

    North Andhra (aka Uttarandhra) is another "lab" for the andha plutocrats & crony capitalists. The locals are restricted to menial jobs while the "rich and powerful" (mostly from 3 districts) are totally in control. The exploitation in some cases is worse than in Telangana.

    ReplyDelete
  137. @ SLB :

    His empathy, not just sympathy, with every victim of every incident of T movement is is just mind blowing.

    Whats with this ?This is my second post in this blog.What are you trying to say now by talking about my post ?
    Seems that you just woke up.

    Good Morning !!!

    ReplyDelete
  138. @ Sujai

    He is known worldwide for having brought an end to the world’s most powerful empire through peaceful agitations.

    May be the world thinks so.But i think Gandhi is already enjoying way too much credit as compared to what he is entitled to.

    He neither started the Swadesh movement nor he ended it.So,lets keep it like that and not get carried away.

    Well because this is your blog you can praise anyone you want.I just want to let you know my opinion about the above point.

    ReplyDelete
  139. Quote:
    "
    @ Think Positive said...

    Like enemy Sujai, like Sera comment

    sera said...
    Thanks for your compliment.
    "

    అపరిచితుడు ....

    ReplyDelete
  140. Quote:
    "

    u said that you visisted holy in seemandhra districts
    devudiki leni prantteeyatatvam manushulaki enduku
    "

    Well I forgot this "prantteeyatatvam" when I asked to divide the Telugu people from Madras and again forgot this in 1972 Jai Andhra movement. I can change the rules as it fit for my agenda and I can carry "prantteeyatatvam" when ever I need, and no other one should be allowed to do the very same "prantteeyatatvam".

    అవును, ఇది వెటకారమే..

    ReplyDelete
  141. Quote:
    "
    Wonder what our USA T forums members will say about this comment !!!!"

    I think I can answer this, in USA and other states, if any one break the law they will be punished severally and in most of the cases they will be kicked out from the country.

    Unfortunately in AP, SA broke the several agreements/laws, yet they are shamelessly demanding not to kick them out.

    ReplyDelete
  142. tintin,

    cool! You know well that by 'blog' I do not mean just this topic "Telangana 79:....".
    But to Sujaiblogspot.

    ReplyDelete
  143. Jai,
    "North Andhra (aka Uttarandhra) is another "lab" for the andha plutocrats & crony capitalists. The locals are restricted to menial jobs while the "rich and powerful" (mostly from 3 districts) are totally in control. The exploitation in some cases is worse than in Telangana".

    They welcome any outsider (incl T people) to come and set up factories. they are happy to do low level jobs rather than do no jobs. They don't look at the promoter and say ' he is minting money'. they say, let him make money, after all he is feeding us. if not him we will be hungry. does not matter to us whether the promoter is from srikakulam or guntur or adilabad. we are grateful that atleast some small jobs are given to us. we remember what it was without even these small jobs.

    the problem is something else. look at the people who are behind the agitation against the projects there. that sarma fellow is trying to take revenge for past issues. let us see.

    ReplyDelete
  144. @ Lavanya Ji

    @sera,

    Two down....


    Hope you heard what Chidambaram said that it is a difficult issue and we need an all-parties meet today.

    All these guys are B guys. no doubt. No one is sincere.

    How much up and down BEHENji, you decide Lavanya ji.

    I hope Telangana is not a Lotto game in your scheme of things? Right? Or a black jack game?

    ReplyDelete
  145. "@ Think Positive said...

    Like enemy Sujai, like Sera comment

    sera said...
    Thanks for your compliment."

    అపరిచితుడు ...


    Green Star used that word I can't understand because I am a Hyderabadi and I am not a Telugu. I am sure you TGs and SAs can understand that.

    What does that word mean? Not that it really matters. But curious.

    ReplyDelete
  146. @Sujai << Like Enemy Like Fight


    Are you Suggesting that Telangana protestors Use Dirty Tactics as Used by Andhras pigs and their Police.

    ReplyDelete
  147. Hope you heard what Chidambaram said that it is a difficult issue and we need an all-parties meet today.
    By saying it cannot be decided "overnight" he more or less admitted his mistake of late night announcement of Dec 9 2009.

    Is center really callous about the threats of "Marches", "rokos"? Or they know these really empty ones?
    9 days to go and things will be very clear.

    ReplyDelete
  148. Quote:
    "
    By saying it cannot be decided "overnight" he more or less admitted his mistake of late night announcement of Dec 9 2009.
    "

    I dont think so, at some time back he did said that the reasons for the current fussy situation are the AP politicians who did not stood on there word.

    Now he clearly knows that in his next all party meeting even every one agrees on bifurcation or agrees for United AP, there is no guarantee that they will be on that same decision tomorrow. He might of thought why to waste the time to conduct another useless meeting.

    ReplyDelete
  149. @ SLB

    By saying it cannot be decided "overnight" he more or less admitted his mistake of late night announcement of Dec 9 2009.

    Is center really callous about the threats of "Marches", "rokos"? Or they know these really empty ones?
    9 days to go and things will be very clear.


    Its not callous. Actually that he opened his mouth is proof that he didn't.

    All these "Marches", "rokos" or so will make it inevitable for a separate Hyderabad.

    It will be Hyderbad as a UT.

    There's no solution beyond that.

    ReplyDelete
  150. sera said...
    All these "Marches", "rokos" or so will make it inevitable for a separate Hyderabad.

    It will be Hyderbad as a UT.

    There's no solution beyond that.


    As I said before HYD will be part of TG in case of separation.

    We do not agree for separate HYD state or UT, HYD can be separated from the region only over our(Muslims) dead bodies. We are sure central will listen to us, our community is always a big vote bank for Congress across the country.

    Separate HYD is hi-risk experiment because of growing ISI and possible hindutva(BJP) problems.

    ReplyDelete
  151. @ Karim

    As I said before HYD will be part of TG in case of separation.

    Karim Bhai,

    Hyderbad actually will not be a UT. It will have a semi-statehood status like Delhi or Pondicherry where there will be elected Representatives and an assembly.

    Anyway it will not be part of TG or RTG or any thing like that. Its impossible to fight that. TG will find its own capital in Warangal or Nizambad.

    The SA guys I don't know.

    ReplyDelete
  152. @Sera:

    Apart from being the voice for Muslims in Telangana and Rayalaseema region, why would MIM oppose separate statehood for Hyd? As reflected in GHMC polls, MIM can considerably exercise political influence by having separate Hyd state. Having other regions of Telangana will dilute its power and make it a smaller player. Hope they will come around this idea soon.

    ReplyDelete
  153. MIM can considerably exercise political influence by having separate Hyd state. Having other regions of Telangana will dilute its power and make it a smaller player. Hope they will come around this idea soon.

    They are just against a UT status and they don't want to talk for statehood status for Hyderabad for the same reasons they pulled the Rayala-Telangana hat out of nowhere.

    MIM is just waiting for the SA guys to take-up the topic and then they will support it. By themselves they will not initiate it.

    And a semi-statehood status for Hyderabad will actually be very healthy. We can see Hyderabad become like Singapore. A place where everyone is welcome and where the main resource is human resource.

    ReplyDelete
  154. @ Sera:

    Green Star used that word I can't understand because I am a Hyderabadi and I am not a Telugu. I am sure you TGs and SAs can understand that.

    What does that word mean? Not that it really matters. But curious.


    Sera I am also not a Telugu.But coming from a family who have more than three generations born and brought up in AP,I know to read and write Telugu.
    From what i got to know from your posts,your situation is not so different from mine.
    Are you telling me that you don't know Telugu when 8 or 9 yrs kids in Hyd whose mother Tongue is also not Telugu speak Telugu fluently ?

    Anyways Aparichitudu (which is written in Telugu by Green star) = Stranger

    Please don't think you are making a case for separate Hyd by alienating yourself from both TG and SA ppl.It ain't gonna work.

    ReplyDelete
  155. @ tintin

    Are you telling me that you don't know Telugu when 8 or 9 yrs kids in Hyd whose mother Tongue is also not Telugu speak Telugu fluently ?

    I remember the days when SAs used to complain that in Hyderabad everyone spoke Hindi. You seem to be now speaking in reverse.

    Anyway that is what is the beauty of a liberal democracy. My children know telugu. I don't. So?

    Anyway on a lighter note - which telugu are you referring to? The TG telugu or the SA telugu?

    Please don't think you are making a case for separate Hyd by alienating yourself from both TG and SA ppl.It ain't gonna work.

    I have no intention to alienate anyone. Like I said before I have friends and family from both those places and also from the 6 districts/regions of erstwhile state of Hyderabad.

    I see this from a largely a "possibles" point of view. There are junctures in history when certain things throw up and strange things are thrown up. Treaties are formed and special solutions are devised. That was the case of for example the Portuguese colonies within a British empire geographically or why the state of Hyderabad was land-locked by the British empire largely. Illinois 4th congressional district, the districts of Alberta and Saskatchewan in Canada, the dissolution of Cheng San GRC and Eunos GRC provinces in SIngapore. . .

    Whenever big disputes arise, the solution CAN BE NOTHING but political and in such a scenario (and more so because we are under a Union and a national constitution) the likelihood of a "special" solution being reached is very high.

    Of course without the TG agitation the dream of a separate Hyderabad would not have been possible.

    So I see it as a special juncture in history where there is a high chance that Hyderabad will be kept separate with partial statehood. History could prove me wrong but we all need to make our efforts. Don't we tintin? ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  156. "Separate HYD is hi-risk experiment because of growing ISI and possible hindutva(BJP) problems"

    In a country where 80% of us are hindus how can 'hindutva' be a 'problem'.

    ReplyDelete
  157. Anonymous said...

    >> devudiki leni prantteeyatatvam manushulaki enduku?

    God would not (if there is a God) care about language, caste, city, state, country feelings either. Why then the insistence on vish(al)andhra?

    In the words of Sahir:

    Malik ne hume insaan banaya
    Humne use Hindu ya Musalmaan banaya
    Khudrat ne bakshi thi hume ek hi dharti
    Humne kahi Bharat kahi Iran banaya

    ReplyDelete
  158. Anonymous said...

    >> They welcome any outsider (incl T people) to come and set up factories

    Not my understanding based on interactions with many people in varied circumstances.

    >> we remember what it was without even these small jobs.

    Yes, when the fishermen were content with fishing & the farmers with farming.

    I suggest a reality check based on the ongoing and recent struggles. Remember Vangapandu's magic words: "శ్రీకాకుళం భగ్గుమన్నది, ఎం పిల్లడో ఎల్దమొస్తావా ఎం పిల్లో ఎల్దమొస్తావా?"

    You might also like to introspect why Botsa, Vyricherla etc. are not enthusiastic about "samakyandhra".

    ReplyDelete
  159. Karim said...

    >> We do not agree for separate HYD state or UT, HYD can be separated from the region only over our(Muslims) dead bodies

    Karimbhai, we will all be together in the struggle.

    Only the andh(r)a plutocrats & crony capitalists want Hyderabad to seperate from Telangana so that they can continue their kabzas.

    ReplyDelete
  160. " suggest a reality check based on the ongoing and recent struggles. Remember Vangapandu's magic words: "శ్రీకాకుళం భగ్గుమన్నది, ఎం పిల్లడో ఎల్దమొస్తావా ఎం పిల్లో ఎల్దమొస్తావా?"

    That fellow is a parasite aka naxalite.
    What is common to Adhibhatla kailasam, vempatapu satyam, kondapalli sitaramayya.........

    now hopefully you will understand the real reason why people of a particular caste started, led and controlled that movement. they lost power to the agrarian classes after independence, agraharams were abolished, other communities started getting educated............

    ReplyDelete
  161. http://moef.nic.in/downloads/public-information/AP01032011.pdf

    The people of Kakarapalli,have fought for their rights,against the mighty Corporate Goliath's of India....
    The government had to bow down,to their legitimate demands,albeit a little late....
    I wish,they had done that a little earlier,and saved our dear DEMOCRACY,from death.....

    If a group of fisherfolk could fight back,tooth and nail,for their rights,and get the government onto it's knees,is it impossible,for the people of Telangana,to achieve our own state????

    ReplyDelete
  162. I see many here writing about Srikakulam incident. They are using it to expose crony capitalism of SAs.
    Few even tried linking to naxalism.

    There is something that slogan shouters must learn from these incidents. How a fight for "livelihood" looks.

    Did anybody notice a woman with big stone in hand barging into police?

    ReplyDelete
  163. http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/andhra-pradesh/article1503114.ece

    Jai,

    I don't think,some idiots in here, deserve the respect of an answer...

    What explanation is going to suffice,when an idiot thinks that,it is alright to risk,the lives of people,to fill the coffers of soulless corporations....

    ReplyDelete
  164. sera,

    you are talking as though an "insider".
    For record sake I do not believe center is seriously considering on your lines.
    Such model will definitely an issue for rest of country. Handful rich cities in country will tend to emulate this.
    Needless to say, the decision makers with vested interests like Chidambaram, Yedyurappa, Thakerays will leave more towns poorer.

    ReplyDelete
  165. //There is something that slogan shouters must learn from these incidents. How a fight for "livelihood" looks.
    Did anybody notice a woman with big stone in hand barging into police?//

    @Anonymous above,

    Did you see the videos or pictures of student's fighting with armed forces,in OU???

    Right.And,they were branded as Maoists and Naxalites,and were thrown in jail,indefinitely...

    Now,coming to your query,imagine if all the people of Telangana,come onto the streets,and start a war like fight,with a common man of Hyderabad or Andhra....
    Can you even imagine the destruction and loss of life,it can cause,to all the parties concerned???
    I would be worried,not happy,if that kind of a situation,ever occur....

    Let Telangana be formed,but not at the cost of lives,of our dear ones...We would rather make it a fruit of our sweat,than our blood...

    ReplyDelete
  166. //Needless to say, the decision makers with vested interests like Chidambaram, Yedyurappa, Thakerays will leave more towns poorer.///


    If he is not already one,like them....

    ReplyDelete
  167. @ SLB

    Such model will definitely an issue for rest of country. Handful rich cities in country will tend to emulate this.

    Actually there are larger issues that are being considered.

    I will give you a small example of Mysore State which was a state from 1947 to 56. Now what if it wants a demerger? Bangalore goes with it. At least in the case of Telangana issue, Hyderabad state was split to make it and merge with SA. If telangana happens what stops a slimy politician from starting a separate Mysore movement.

    Now there are many cases like that across India in various forms and flavours that are waiting to happen if just a wrong precedent was set - after all we were an amalgamation of princely states, portguese, british, mughals/muslims etc etc etc like you very well know.

    Telangana if formed will set that bad precedent across the nation. It becomes the wrong example.

    Keeping Hyderabad separate at least acts as a deterrant. No slimy politician will get support from the other regions if a main city is lost and will become a separate state.

    I hope you get the point. In fact it will be nice to hear your opinion on this.

    The best option of course is not to split the state. That is the first priority that will be given. No denying that from a national perspective. But if it happens then a separate Hyderabad state is what is inevitable and also necessary from a "precedent" perspective.

    you are talking as though an "insider".
    For record sake I do not believe center is seriously considering on your lines.


    ;-)

    ReplyDelete
  168. Anonymous said...

    >> That fellow is a parasite aka naxalite

    When I pointed out Uttarandhra is being looted by andhra plutocrats, you responded that people are happy to get the menial jobs. When I point out the fallacy of your argument by providing examples of rebellion, you dismiss the rebels as parasites. Hats off to your power of self delusion :)

    >> now hopefully you will understand the real reason why people of a particular caste started

    Please.. this forum is not for spreading "kula gajji"

    I don't care how many parts "andhera" pardesh is divided *after* Telangana is formed. I am only trying to point out the next storm will be in Uttarandhra.

    ReplyDelete
  169. @Lavanya re Srikakulam:

    I think Uttarandhra is the next "people power storm" to hit this artificial failed state aka andhera pradesh. Rayalaseema will boil earlier (i.e. immediately after Telangana is formed) but this will be driven by politicos. And then there are the caste & faction wars just waiting to happen.

    Many andhras believe that Telangana (or Hyderabad) is the glue they require for not only loot but even to survive. This is one of the reasons why are they fighting so hard.

    ReplyDelete
  170. Anyway it will not be part of TG or RTG or any thing like that. Its impossible to fight that. TG will find its own capital in Warangal or Nizambad.

    The SA guys I don't know.


    I dont know what you are talking about, when majority(as our community believe, it is over 90%) of the people in HYD are against the separate HYD, there is no way HYD will be separated from Telangana. Our community is around 40-43% and TG population(non-muslims) in HYD will be around 30%. This means more than 80% Hyderabadies are clearly against for separate HYD.

    ReplyDelete
  171. @ Karim

    when majority(as our community believe, it is over 90%) of the people in HYD are against the separate HYD,

    Looks like you did not read your community properly.

    Anyway it could be my opinion against yours. If you reverse your math you will find that 80% support separate Hyderabad if an opinion poll Goa style is conducted.

    Time will tell.

    ReplyDelete
  172. Lavanya,

    you are missing the point.

    Why people from those 3 villages sompet, kaakaraapalli and vadditaandra went to the extent of fight? The available videos speak that its is less instigated and more spontaneous. Almost all people from villages took up fight.
    Yes! They were ready for violence both to kill or get killed. Why? They have immediate "livelihood" issue.
    But in T movement a few (maybe considerable) are ready to fight. Which "appears" instigated than genuine. Then as you stressed already T people demanding are not ready for violence. What should one infer from this? Only good thing that T people are peace lovers? Or separate state is not a "livelihood" issue?

    ReplyDelete
  173. Why people from those 3 villages sompet, kaakaraapalli and vadditaandra went to the extent of fight? The available videos speak that its is less instigated and more spontaneous.

    Not every one think like you, for example Govt thought it was instigated and this agitation can be stopped if they can catch Rami Reddy.

    Source:
    http://epaper.sakshi.com/epaperimages/132011/132011-sh-hyd-2/D25514676.JPG

    The same way all anti T guys think the T-agitation is not genuine and can be stopped if KCR/TRS dead. But in reality the available videos speak that its is less instigated and more spontaneous. Almost all people from entire T took up fight.

    ReplyDelete
  174. Going by Chidu's comment, recent activity by SA MLAs/MPs, T can not be formed, unless it gets worse. What I mean by worse is, it should get really really nasty with/without violence. The outcome will be either T or get suppressed by central/SA police forces, just like 1969. All these so called democratic, non-violent agitations have no effect on center.

    ReplyDelete
  175. @Lavanya:
    "Let Telangana be formed,but not at the cost of lives,of our dear ones...We would rather make it a fruit of our sweat,than our blood..."

    So, will it be better to wait till TRS gets 60+ seats in Assembly and 10+ seats in Lok sabha elections or fight against democratically elected govt and paralyze governance? Incurring loss to govt through strikes, rokos etc is like poking ur eye.. common man is hurt not the individuals in govt. U r forcing poor and needy to make sacrifices for ur cause that would have come democratically through TRS-controlled govts. Will TRS resort to bloodshed if center does not bow to their demands after Hyd shutdown? I hope Center does not give ideas to people seeking other demands in the country by bowing to TRS tactics. That does not absolve govt from taking a decision on the issue at the earliest.

    ReplyDelete
  176. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  177. Quote:
    "

    Incurring loss to govt through strikes, rokos etc is like poking ur eye.. common man is hurt not the individuals in govt.
    "


    Its not 'my eye', it is 'our eye' we are poking, so you and central will also feel the pain.

    Please dont pose as saints and start giving free lectures about democratic ways. Every one knows how Seemandra@ are very good at following democratic rules and showed it in 1972 where they paralyzed the govt completely and dragged entire state into presidential rule for more than a year. Current situation is not that bad compared to what Seemandra@ did to 'our' state for the same reasons.

    ReplyDelete
  178. From Argumentative indian blogspot

    <<How crony capitalism lead to the Kakarapalli tragedy


    The killing of 2 villagers and the large scale violence unleashed by police in Kakarapalli village in Srikakulam again brings into question the crony capitalism presently destroying the moral, social and economic fabric of our society. With active connivance of politicians and bureaucrats, the capitalists have unleashed an era of loot and plunder. This post focuses on the East Coast Energy Pvt. Ltd project in Kakarapalli and the circumstantial evidence available in public domain to show that the project promoters and the bureaucrats in environment ministry went hand in glove to violate all environmental norms and most importantly, the rights of people to work and live in the proposed project area.

    Process of obtaining EC from MoEF:
    How does a project like this get necessary permissions? The Ministry of Environment and Forests grants prior environmental clearances to projects or activities on recommendations of the Expert Appraisal Committees (EAC). Several categories exist under the Ministry for projects related to Mining, Nuclear energy, Coal and Thermal energy, Hydroelectric etc. Each category has an EAC to assess projects in its category. The EAC shall scope and appraise these projects or activities and issue the environmental clearance (EC). So the EAC is the apex body here with almost a dozen members and a chairman and this decides the clearances. It is interesting then to see that EACs generally are headed by former bureaucrats and those who have nothing to do with environmental issues. And worse they recommend projects which they themselves are promoting!

    About East Coast Energy Pvt Ltd (ECEPL)
    The 2640 MW Bhavanapadu coal-based thermal power plant near Kakarapalli is being developed by East Coast Energy Private Limited (ECEPL). If you look out for the promoters of this company in their website, you would find that Athena Energy Ventures Pvt Ltd (AEVPL), AIP Power Pvt Ltd (AIP) and PTC India Financial Services Ltd are among them. All these 3 promote another company Athena Demwe Power Limited for a hydro-electric project in Arunchal Pradesh. If you look at the board of directors of this company, you find a certain Mr. A. Balraj. Mr Balraj is a retired IAS officer and more interestingly, the chairman of the Expert Appraisal Committee (EAC), the same which recommended the environmental clearance for the Kakarapalli!

    The following details of this Environmental clearance are available on the website of Ministry of Environment & Forests.
    Project No: No:J- 13011/36/ 2008-IA II(T)
    Project Name: 2640 MW Bhavanapadu TPP near Kakrapalli Village
    District:Sri Kakulam
    Village:no
    Company:M/s East Coast Energy Pvt. Ltd.
    Application for EC received: 18/03/2008
    EC Approved: 09/04/2009

    The aftermath of obtaining EC
    It is during A.Balraj’s tenure that the EC has been approved. Amazing thread of intrigue indeed. Such a glaring conflict of interest in public domain. So it is easy to guess the kind of appraisal done to grant the environmental clearance (EC) for this project. Well, it was a matter of time before the truth. In August, 2010 after series of complaints by environmental & social activists, a committee set up by the Union Ministry of Environment and Forests has confirmed the existence of wetland around the thermal plant site near Kakarapalli village. The committee also said that the plant would irreversibly damage surrounding wetland and ecology. Read the full report here. Earlier, the EC was obtained maintaining that the site is not in a wetland nor is in a conservatory zone. This is apart from destroying livelihood and living conditions of the native village folks living there. But then despite the proof that clearance has been obtained on false claims, the EC was not cancelled. The manipulations continue and with active connivance from bureaucrats, state government and police, the crony capitalists now ended up killing 2 people.

    ReplyDelete
  179. Crony capitalism and its serpentine connections
    Incidentally, the Sompeta project in the same Srikakulam district which claimed lives of 2 people in a similar police firing last year has this same dubious connection. That thermal project is being developed by Nagarjuna Constructions and it has on its board of directors the esteemed presence of P.Abraham who served as Chairman of EAC(Hydroelectric) and who in the same position approved environmental clearances for various projects which he was himself promoting as a director. He also sits on the board of companies promoted by those who promote Kakarapalli project. Some of the promoters are marquee names in Telugu press by now, namely Karvy’s Mr MS Ramakrishna and Matrix Prasad. Mr P. Abraham also graces the director position in GVK, Lanco group and half a dozen other groups. The world is indeed a small place now. You run into the same names every day. Long live crony capitalism.

    Tehelka published an insightful article on how the DMK’s 12 year stint at the Environment ministry changed things in environment clearances. Tehelka said “In the 20 years from 1986 to 2006, the MoEF cleared 4,016 projects. According to the 2009 report by the environmental group Kalpavriksh, entitled ‘Calling the Bluff: Revealing the state of Monitoring and Compliance of Environmental Clearance Conditions’, the MoEF cleared 80 to 100 projects every month with a range of environment and social impacts. Under the new EIA 2006 Notification, 2,016 projects were cleared between 2006 and 2008 in just two years. “ So while the union ministers themselves were ‘milking’ the ministry, the babus pulled up their socks too. In a glaring conflict of interest many chairmen of these EACs are on the board of the same projects they are approving in their official capacity.


    Dubious credentials of present Chairman of EAC (Thermal)
    Despite the tragedies of Sompeta and Kakarapalli, and this latest notification suspending the project activities in Kakarapalli till March 07, 2011, there is an uneasy feeling among the environmental activists as the present chairman of EAC (Thermal), V.P.Raja too is a retired bureaucrat heavily involved with ‘corporate affairs’. There has been a formal request made to Jairam Ramesh to remove him as his appointment was a violation. After the tragedy, an uneasy truce lingers on for now.

    ReplyDelete
  180. Can anyone please Do a Exhaustive Research on the corporations owned by Seemandhra Politicans and Post it online.

    ReplyDelete
  181. @TG,

    Exhaustive research has been going on,for the past several months,now...

    Have you heard of benami's???Yes,there is just no end to this kind of cover up,one can indulge in,with all the loopholes in the system.....

    The rich and powerful make things happen,and call the shots,and it is only the powerless,that go to the media and the courts,today....

    We should just forget,trying to get to the media,and concentrate on working on the cause...

    ReplyDelete
  182. Arvind,

    maybe T activists are trying to create the real "bread and butter" issue in Telanagan, by the way of these strike.
    Only thing to be seen is who will be the target. :-)

    ReplyDelete
  183. @Anonymous,

    (Please get an i.d,it gets confusing,while answering back,Thanks)

    ///The available videos speak that its is less instigated and more spontaneous. Almost all people from villages took up fight.///

    Violence,instigated or spontaneous, has already shown some disastrous results,to the Telangana agitation....It is going the peaceful persistence way,only because,there are definite elements,that have gone out of their way,to destroy and debunk it....

    Haven't you seen the brutal attacks,on the students and agitators,even during peaceful marches????

    ////They were ready for violence both to kill or get killed.///

    And,it is this very,idea that I do not like...
    Getting killed,leads to killing others in frustration.....
    I just do not like that thought....

    //Which "appears" instigated than genuine. Then as you stressed already T people demanding are not ready for violence. What should one infer from this? Only good thing that T people are peace lovers? Or separate state is not a "livelihood" issue//

    Why should you refuse to give credit,to the people of Telangana,for being patient and peaceful???
    They are protesting as lawfully as they could.

    That is not working....

    The people of Manipur,use shame,as a trick to stop the army men,from entering their villages....The Kashmiri's use anger...
    You cannot blame them for that....

    You cannot call them,instigated,or uninspired....

    The T agitation is more a political power play,than a ploy....
    People like you and me,are at a loss here trying to understand,the government's policies...
    The Centre has been playing with fire,but this time around,they are not just going to get away with this injustice....

    ReplyDelete
  184. @Sera,

    I am not indicating that creating Telangana is an option better than semi-statehood for Hyderabad.
    I have already said it will be very bad precedent.
    But trying to create Hyderabad as an escape will worsen the situation in the country.
    Even if center wants to create TG today, it has huge task of containing similar demands surfacing.
    Best way out is bring back normalcy, go for second SRC or RRC (regions recreation commission) and solve similar demands in a scientific approach.

    ReplyDelete
  185. @Arvind,

    //U r forcing poor and needy to make sacrifices for ur cause that would have come democratically through TRS-controlled govts.///

    How shallow,you sound,when you stop us from fighting our cause,to support your insincere feelings,towards the poor and the needy.....

    One lady actually,complains about not finding domestic help for a few days,a great inconvenience....

    Really,you people should think,how bad you sound,when you say such things....

    ///Will TRS resort to bloodshed if center does not bow to their demands after Hyd shutdown? ///

    Would you want the TRS to resort to bloodshed,to pressurise the Centre????

    Do you think,they should resort to violence and risk lives,yours,mine and theirs,to grab the Centre's attention towards the cause....

    //I hope Center does not give ideas to people seeking other demands in the country by bowing to TRS tactics.//

    This is where you sound like sera,and your words like his, foolish conspiracy theories...

    Why is seeking a just demand,seen as anti nationalist???

    If you seek change in the existing form of governance,by asking for more self reliance,and localising the power equations,it must be seen as a positive step,in which the locals get to enjoy more power,and to employ and implement laws benefiting even the grass root levels...

    Every state has their own set of problems,so why follow the same principles,or rules everywhere???

    Stupid argument really....
    Do not read too much into sera's arguments,they are plain dumb,sometimes.....

    ReplyDelete
  186. Jai reg Srikakulam,

    I don't think,the Northern Andhra or for that matter Rayalaseema,region is far behind,from asking for a their own state....
    Like you said,politicians it will be,and not the people who will drive it....

    But,that said,the people need to become a bit more vigilant and worldly educated there.....
    What can I say about the politics there!!!People are treated like assets,and life is but a joke,for politicians and the people,alike....

    We are eons of generations ahead in respecting human life or it's dignity,here....And,I am so proud to be a part of this culture....

    ReplyDelete
  187. Amar,

    hope you had time to go through the sources of information on Girglani report I have provided. I am waiting for your sources so that we can match the "one lack jobs...".

    ReplyDelete
  188. @ Lavanya :

    in which the locals get to enjoy more power,and to employ and implement laws benefiting even the grass root levels...

    There are different kinds of democracy theoretically and this kind of democracy is called "Grass Root Democracy".
    Unfortunately,here we are dealing with ppl who know this but don't want to adapt it unless they are the ones going to benefit.
    Best example to justify this would be the incidents when ppl take the examples of freedom movement,you get to see ppl say "that is for country but this is for state".They forget that both are for self administration.
    Just like the way we get to see the best out of a politician when he is in the opposition, we get to see the best arguments from many commenting here, had they been on the side of benefiting something personally.

    ReplyDelete
  189. Srikakulam.....

    All you guys ..don't you live in AP. Don't you watch TV. Without exception yesterday all TV channels showed the 'victims' complaining. But about what?
    The firing? No
    Pollution? No
    Loss of fish? No

    They were complaining about Errannaidu and his brother! 'Victim' after 'victim' only spoke about this.

    And for those who are from srikakulam you must have observed how the politicinas like sitaram etc have been leading the fight in sompeta and now kakarapalli. while they represent the anti-congress and so will fight against any project being set up now hoping to postpone it until they form the govt, everyone also knows that right now they are trying to get the upper hand from errannaidu and his brother. fortunately CBN did not fall for them and spoke wisely.

    All politicians are crooks. Let us not get carried away by what they say or do. The district of srikakulam needs power. why should the district depend on vijaywada or vishakapatnam for its power needs? how will the district economy improve if there is no power. aren't there thermal power plants elsewhere in the state/country. vamshadhara does have a provision for hydro power anywhere within AP. so how do people from srikakulam hope to get power? the district is seeing a surge if investments in the pydi-bhimavaram area. how will they run. when nagarjunasagar and srisailam and jurala, sriramsagar were built, people had to relocate. in such situations it is not the 'relocatee' who always benefits. the larger interest of common benefit has to be seen. kakarapalli is a desert. i have been to nearby places. the place is hard rock. there are granite quarries all around. people are extremely poor. there is no water for cultivation. there is no underground water. the granite activity has provided direct and indirect employment to a lot of people. i have not visited in recent past but friends from there tell me that the villagers are looking forward to economic activity and understand the need for power plants. the politicians are the real culprits in both the cases. in the case of sompeta it was pure extortion which failed. in this case also time will show the real intent behind the protests. the villagers are illiterate and are falling prey to the devious politicians. in this specific case not a single acre belongs to people. infact the people would have been happy if any land had been acquired. fishing activity will not be affected at all.

    i am eager to know what the fellows like EAS Sarma and others would say when told that their homes are getting power everyday because there are thermal power plants elsewhere in the state.

    ReplyDelete
  190. "Congress MP from Eluru Kavuri Sambasiva Rao has virtually added fuel to the raging fire of Telangana, by asking the MPs from the region to resign, “if they have any shame,” to achieve statehood for Telangana. Apparently enraged at the storming of his house by Telangana lawyers,

    Kavuri said it was impossible to get statehood to Telangana with such attacks. “I don’t have any problem even if Andhra Pradesh is divided into 23 states and the country into 500 states. I have not earned a single rupee by exploiting Telangana. As a representative of the people of my constituency, I have only reflected the feelings of my people. Is it wrong in democracy? Are we under any monarchy?” he asked.

    Kavuri challenged that the MPs from Telangana should resign if they have any concern for the statehood issue and bring pressure on the Centre. “You need to learn sacrifices before making any demand. You cannot achieve your goal by intimidating or attacking people from other states or regions. Is it proper to attack us just because we express a different opinion? It is unfortunate that those who have studied constitution are resorting to such stupid acts,” he said.


    Is there anything wrong in kavuri's statements

    ReplyDelete
  191. Anonymous said...

    Why people from those 3 villages sompet, kaakaraapalli and vadditaandra went to the extent of fight? The available videos speak that its is less instigated and more spontaneous.

    I agree.

    >> But in T movement a few (maybe considerable) are ready to fight. Which "appears" instigated than genuine

    You are wrong and influenced by propaganda.

    >> Then as you stressed already T people demanding are not ready for violence

    There are several reasons. Firstly the lessons of the violent 1969 movement. Secondly unlike Srikakulam, there is no single focus point. They are also trying hard not to give ammunition to SA whining that "movement is built on violence & hatred".

    BTW what will these SA guys shouting from rooftops & whining everyday on TV do if "real" violence breaks out?

    ReplyDelete
  192. Is there anything wrong in kavuri's statements

    Yes, everything is wrong about him, according to T-vaadis.
    Madhu yaskhi has every right to call kavuri (along with others) "gandipeta neellu taagi balisaaru..". Becoz Yaskhi is from T.

    BTW, Gutta made a great statement that Kavuri should express his opinion only from his region. So if Gutta wants to condemn BJP he will go to north. And to praise Soniaji he will got to 10 Janpath.

    ReplyDelete
  193. Thank Kavuri for adding Fuel to the Telangana flame.

    ReplyDelete
  194. @ TG

    Thank Kavuri for adding Fuel to the Telangana flame.

    What you said is right because it brings the parliament's and the nation's focus to the larger issues of the division like I said before. And it is already doing that.

    Actually there are larger issues that are being considered.

    I will give you a small example of Mysore State which was a state from 1947 to 56. Now what if it wants a demerger? Bangalore goes with it. At least in the case of Telangana issue, Hyderabad state was split to make it and merge with SA. If telangana happens what stops a slimy politician from starting a separate Mysore movement.

    Now there are many cases like that across India in various forms and flavours that are waiting to happen if just a wrong precedent was set - after all we were an amalgamation of princely states, portguese, british, mughals/muslims etc etc etc like you very well know.

    Telangana if formed will set that bad precedent across the nation. It becomes the wrong example.

    Keeping Hyderabad separate at least acts as a deterrant. No slimy politician will get support from the other regions if a main city is lost and will become a separate state.

    I hope you get the point. In fact it will be nice to hear your opinion on this.

    The best option of course is not to split the state. That is the first priority that will be given. No denying that from a national perspective. But if it happens then a separate Hyderabad state is what is inevitable and also necessary from a "precedent" perspective.

    ReplyDelete
  195. @ Lavanya

    This is where you sound like sera,and your words like his, foolish conspiracy theories...

    BEHENji the biggest conspiracy theory is what Prof Jayshankar built and let loose. . . sort of like the Mein Kampf. . .

    ReplyDelete
  196. Where is Jaishankar now a days. have the upper castes thrown him out of the moveement.

    ReplyDelete
  197. Jaya Shaankar sir is down with ill health...he was there at the meeting organised by TNGOs in January.
    FYI...every staunch Telangana Supporter bows his/her head in front of this legandary man..

    Dont pass stupid remarks without knowing the facts..

    ReplyDelete
  198. Amar,

    where are you?
    Still wading for your sources of (mis)information?

    ReplyDelete
  199. Some more news:


    Intellectuals from Seemandhra have written an open letter to the MLAs, MPs, and MLCs of their region to cooperate with the formation of Telangana. Noted Journalist Potthuri Venkateshwar Rao, NIMS director Kakarla Subba Rao, Tripuraneni Hanuman Chowdary, Katthi Padma Rao have released the letter to media today.

    They said ” It is possible that about 20 lakh people have migrated to Hyderabad in the past 50 years but, that should not be a deciding factor for the future of a state. Its not correct on part of Seemandhra MLAs and MPs to talk about making Hyderabad a Union Territory. Instead, they should discuss about the problems that might arise after separation and find solutions to it.”

    They expressed their dissatisfaction over Seemandhra leaders behavior in this matter and said that they are creating an impression as if they are the road blocks for Telangana.

    “It took 50 years for Hyderabad to develop to what it is now but, we can develop a new capital to this stature in 10 years. That should not be a problem.” they advised.

    ReplyDelete
  200. @Sera
    "..mein kampf.."


    haha...delusional nut!

    anyway on a side note...
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Cases-booked-against-Allu-Arjun/articleshow/7623484.cms

    ReplyDelete

Dear Commenters:
Please identify yourself. At least use a pseudonym. Otherwise there will be too many *Anonymous*; making it confusing.

Do NOT write personal information or whereabouts about the author or other commenters. You are free to write about yourself. Please do not use abusive language. Do not indulge in personal attacks and insults.

Write comments which are relevant and make sense so that the debate remains healthy.