Thursday, February 17, 2011

Telangana 77: Why India Should Reject SriKrishna Committee Report?

SriKrishna Committee Report is now being studied by the Central Government in New Delhi to provide a solution to the Telangana issue.  Unfortunately, the report fails to provide a political solution to the current problem, and instead provides too many options thereby creating confusion.  It provides six options which are self-contradicting making a mockery of itself.  It has too many factual errors, and in some places downright supercilious when it calls entire people of Telangana lazy and subservient. 

The report not only puts on record its prejudices against creation of new states in India but also callously dismisses a 54 year old struggle and a genuine aspiration of 35 million people as ‘having some merit’ and ‘not entirely unjustified’.  The report not only fails to deliver a practical solution to the impending problem in Telangana, but it poses a grave danger to Indian democracy by establishing an undemocratic yardstick for creation of new states in India. 

Historical Precedents

Back in 1950s, the national leaders of the newly formed Indian Republic looked at the state divisions based on regional identity with strong suspicion.  These leaders were still recovering from the aftermath of Partition and the recently concluded exercise of annexation of various reluctant kingdoms.  Linguistic Provinces Commission under SK Dar and JVP Committee headed by Jawaharlal Nehru, Sardar Vallabhai Patel and Pattabhi Sitaramaiah rejected the idea of forming states based on language.  The Dar Commission said ‘Nationalism and sub-nationalism are two emotional experiences, which grow at the cost of each other’ and therefore ‘all sub-national tendencies in the existing linguistic provinces should be suppressed’.  The JVP Committee held the security and unity of India paramount to caution that the ‘language could equally be unifying and divisive force’.

However, the ethos that set democracy in motion in this country was guided not by such apprehensions expressed in these two commissions or committees but from practical experiences coming from dealing with expedient problems of that time.  Certain events transpired in this country immediately after our Independence and solving them created a guiding benchmark for evolution of states in this country.  

One such event is the demand of Andhra state.  This demand influenced creation of Article 3 in Indian Constitution in the present form, led to constitution of States Reorganization Commission (SRC) that upheld the rationale to create linguistic states based on regional aspirations, led to rejection of recommendations from JVP and Dar Committee, and thus ultimately led to creation of a mature decision process in this country that dealt with many aspirations for statehoods in India.

Many states, like Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra State, Maharashtra, Gujarat, were formed to satisfy the aspirations of people of India who have come together under the banner of one language.  Many other states, like Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand, were formed to satisfy other regional aspirations.  It is clear now that these benchmarks set forth during the early years of formation of India have resulted in creating a vibrant democracy in India contrary to the unfounded fears held by our leaders of that time that the country would disintegrate.  It is apparent to any political observer now that the creation of new states to satisfy the aspirations of people based in regional identities actually strengthened Indian democracy, not weaken it.  Rejection of recommendations of Dar Commission and JVP Committee are equally important for setting the above mature precedents.

A new benchmark for creation of states in India?

Another such committee now expresses apprehensions about creating states based on regional aspirations.  SriKrishna Committee Report makes a clear departure from the innumerable precedents of the last sixty years that helped India become a mature democracy, strengthening its sovereignty, and setting a great example of staying united though extremely diverse.  This report questions the legitimacy of people’s aspirations to demand a separate state and negates it in favor of keeping states united where majority will continue to suppress the minority.

Authors of Indian Constitution made extensive debates before they decided on steps to reorganize states in Indian Union.  To make a case for Article 3 in the present form, they cite the example of then Andhras trying to create a state for themselves from Madras State.  During those discussions, they made it clear that it is the will of the people which is paramount and that a majority should not be in a position to suppress a minority within a state.   So that a minority group can form a state, they vested the powers to form a state only with Indian Parliament with clear implications that a ‘consensus’ may never be reached within the state. 

SKC Report challenges the ethos of Article 3 that gives the will of the people the required legitimacy to form a state.  It also challenges the SRC recommendations which considered the desire of a region to form a separate state, by asking ‘whether a region can be allowed to decide for itself what its political status should be’.  This is a dangerous observation, goes against the spirit of democracy in India, stops creation of states in future, making our country static in state boundaries.   If the will of the people cannot decide the fate of a political status of a region, who else should decide?

SKC Report recommends Option 5 for creating a separate Telangana only if other two regions agree, thereby completely negating the very idea on which Article 3 was based.   Their recommendations go against the vision of the authors of Indian Constitution and the spirit of SRC.  Subjecting a minority to the tyranny of majority, the committee makes a mockery of Indian democracy. 

If SriKrishna Committee Report becomes the yardstick to examine and satisfy aspirations of a region in India, then there is danger that we would reverse all these healthy precedents of the past.  A minority group will never be in a position to form a state no matter how much they are suppressed or marginalized.  All state formations would come to a halt in this country.

Are SKC members against creation of new states?

A constitutional democracy creates various safeguards to protect the interests of the minorities and underprivileged.  When a majority colludes out of self-interest to form a single group, it can easily suppress the minority.  To overcome this, Indian Constitution has provided various safeguards, like reservations for lower castes and women, and similarly it allowed for creation of new states out of regions. 

SriKrishna Committee Report equates formation of new states within Indian Union to creation of new nations and goes onto provided ‘economic’ criteria to oppose such divisions.  It cites the trend in the world ‘towards economic integration with economic blocs consisting of many smaller nations being formed in the interest of enhancing economic opportunities’ and discourages formation of smaller nations because they contribute to creating ‘barriers to inter-state and intrastate trade and movement of goods and services.’ 

What SriKrishna Committee misses out is that states are not nations.  And that states are not formed on the basis of economic considerations but to fulfill regional aspirations. The report states that ‘division of Andhra Pradesh can only be a negative factor which would inhibit the economic growth of the newly formed states.’  It goes on to say that ‘economically, the land locked region of Telangana may also lose out on access and opportunities to the eastern coastline which has a major port in Vishakhapatnam and many other sea ports.’  The argument against ‘land-locked’ states has no merit. Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand, are all land-locked states. 

The report negates the statehood for Telangana on the grounds that it ‘would only create a demand for a great number of small states resulting in problems of coordination and management.’  Observing that one of the members is a retired judge, it is indeed a crooked way of delivering justice – to say that we cannot dole out justice because others would ask for the same. 

While citing the recommendation of Fazal Ali’ SRC, the SKC report cites only those remarks which were against formation of separate Telangana while omitting the remarks which supported formation of separate Telangana. Also, SriKrishna Committee members did not consider the rationale of how nearly thirteen states have come into existence in independent India.   It is clear that SriKrishna Committee started out with a prejudice against creating smaller states, against creating Telangana.  Such a Committee’s report should not be allowed to become a benchmark because it would mean there can be no land-locked states or smaller states in India ever again and that economic considerations would prevail over democratic aspirations.

An unbiased arbiter?

Telanganas have been demanding a separate state since fifty years, with the current agitation going back 15 years.  Telanganas have cited discrimination meted out to them on various aspects in the state, in empowerment, in irrigation, in jobs, in opportunities etc.  The committee was formed to ‘examine the situation’ in the state with reference to ‘demand for a separate State of Telangana’ and to ‘review the developments in the State since its formation’.  It was given a mandate to be an unbiased arbiter to examine if indeed Telangana was discriminated.  The contention is between people of Telanganas who cite discrimination from Seemandhra-controlled Government of Andhra Pradesh.  Justice SriKrishna seems to have forgotten what the role of a judge is.  The committee, instead of donning the role of an unbiased judge between these two parties, has become a prosecutor on the side of Government of Andhra Pradesh.  The Committee has used the facts given by the Government of Andhra Pradesh without questioning them, using the reports provided by Seemandhra leaders as ‘evidences’ while rubbishing all the facts and statistics provided by Telangana experts, economists, statisticians, professors, employee unions, engineers, poets, and scientists.  If SKC were to believe the statistics provided by Seemandhra-controlled Government of Andhra Pradesh without questioning them, then why did we need the committee in the first place? If all these statistics are correct, and therefore there is no discrimination towards Telangana, then why did so many political parties, eminent leaders, including Home Minister support the Telangana’s statehood movement? It was egregious of SKC members to thank only a dozen Seemandhra VIPs at the starting of the Report but none of the Telangana members.  

If such a report becomes a benchmark for resolving regional issues in this country, let it be known that privileged will always win over the underprivileged.  This country will no longer stand for justice but for establishing the tyranny of the privileged.

Pathological contradictions

Not only does SriKrishna Committee Report fail to provide a political solution to the current Telangana issue, it does not even deserve the acclaim of an academic report.  It has innumerable number of factual errors and is surfeit with obvious contradictions.  SriKrishna Committee recommends six possible options for resolving the current problem in the state. 

The Option 1 of keeping the state united as status quo is negated saying it is not possible to run the state the same without ‘some intervention’ on behalf of Telanganas.  It cites the reason for Telangana movements in the past and the present as ‘partial implementation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement… the denial of fair share of water and irrigation resources, and perceived neglect in economic development of Telangana region.’ And yet while recommending the Option 6 of keeping the state united with ‘constitutional/statutory measures to address the core socio-economic concerns about development of Telangana region’, it prescribes the same measures which are all considered to be failures in the history of Andhra Pradesh.  It is an irony that SriKrishna Committee recommends Telangana Regional Council (TRC) without realizing a similar sounding Regional Standing Committee recommended by Gentlemen’s Agreement failed miserably resulting in violent Telangana agitations of 1969.  Telangana people are condemned into repeat history with the same experiments which stand failed.

The committee while giving the six options discusses the bogey of increase in Maoist activities in the state and keeps these discussions a secret. The committee believes that keeping the state in the present condition (Option 1) is likely to give a fillip to Maoist movement, and in another context it states that ‘Telangana with or without Hyderabad is likely to experience a spurt in Maoist activity’.   Since a spurt Maoist activities is an eventuality in this region no matter what the solutions is how does it matter which option is chosen? 

Mohan Guruswamy writes: “…demand for a separate Telangana state [is] fobbed off taking recourse to the specious and nonsensical logic that the Naxalites will somehow take over Telangana in the end. If mal-governance becomes the only reason for the takeover by Naxalites, then it would seem the whole country is ripe for it”,

Why Option 4?

The mandate of SriKrishna Committee was to examine two options of creating separate Telangana and keeping the state united.  The members have overstepped the mandate given to them and have raised several unnecessary options and issues creating more confusion.  Also, some of these options suggest the deviousness of the members who wrote the report.  For example, the inclusion of Option 4 in the report can only be seen as a revenge of Seemandhras to deprive and punish people of Telangana of some of prime assets.  This option creates a new union territory for Hyderabad including many mandals and villages of Telangana.  No evidence of people’s demand is given as to why certain tracts of Telangana lands are added to create a corridor, except for satisfying the Seemandhras desire to have access to this city.  It should be noted that no mandals or villages from Rayalaseema or Coastal Andhra are added to this Union Territory.

While one of the biggest moot points for Telangana movement has been the deprivation of water, this option further exacerbates the sad plight of Telanganas by denying two of the biggest irrigation projects of this region.  Both the Srisailam and Nagarjuna Sagar projects are included in union territory of Hyderabad.

SKC report does not look at some relevant historical precedents while proposing Option 4.  There are uncanny similarities between the debates on Hyderabad with those of Bombay and Madras. SKC completely and deliberately ignores these debates.  Demands for union territory status for the city of Madras were made when Andhras separated from Madras State. The logic provided by the Andhras was that the city was developed by them and that a substantial size of population in Madras was Andhras.  However, Madras remained with Tamil Nadu clearly rejecting the above logic provided by Andhras.  While rejecting the claim it was stated that such a precedent would lead to making most of the cosmopolitan cities of India into union territories.  In case of Bombay, the city was administered as a union territory for four years, and later made capital of Maharashtra, clearly rejecting the experiment as major failure.  The demands made by Gujarati community were that Marathis were a minority in Bombay, that they were the investors and businessmen who built the city, that the city of Bombay was far more important to India as a port and a financial hub, that the city was cosmopolitan in nature and therefore should not be given to Marathis. In the end, these objections were rejected and cultural and geographical linkages were given the most importance overriding any apprehensions and fears over the future city and State.

This option creates 4 states out of Andhra Pradesh without admitting it – Telangana, Coastal Andhra, Rayalaseema and Hyderabad.   While the committee rejects Option 5 on the grounds that it is hesitant to divide a linguistic state, it does not cite the same reasons to reject Option 4.  Instead, it portrays Telangana man as a villain who would oppose this option. 

Why India should reject SriKrishna Committee Report?

A jury’s verdict is not supposed to satisfy everyone but deliver justice even when it faces stiff opposition from certain groups.  The SriKrishna Committee report while trying to satisfy everyone has left victims dissatisfied.  The best possible option recommended in the report is nothing but a rerun of failed history imposed onto Telangana people. The recommended steps are not original, lack creativity and lack maturity that is expected from a committee comprising of a retired judge, known bureaucrat, an economist and a social scientist.  The report does not use the benchmarks used in creation of other states in India and does not provide a clear rationale behind its approach when dealing with case of Telangana.

The entire report is biased and has a tone which is objectionable.  It is riddled with factual inaccuracies, mistakes and plain lies.  The members resorted to frivolous and non-serious remarks during press meets, and partied with vested interests who wanted to derail statehood to Telangana.

Indians should clearly understood that India’s strength lies in celebration of its diversity, allowing various groups to retain their identity within the confines of an overarching identity of being Indian.  Creation of new states based on regional aspirations led to quasi-federalism in India thereby strengthening the democratic institutions in the country.  These were possible because of application of recommendations of State Reorganization Commission while rejecting the recommendations Dar Commission and JVP Committee.

SriKrishna Committee report tries to create a new yard stick that reverses the norms and ethos used in creating new states in India.  It puts a stop to creation of new states in this country.  That will only push the desperate people in India to find solutions outside the purview of Indian constitution which will undermine India’s democratic credentials and thereby threaten India’s unity.

This report sets an ominous trend in Indian democracy and hence its rejection in its entirety is the duty of every Indian who believes in democratic values and deliverance of justice in this country.  India should continue the path of creation more states in India in accordance with regional aspirations of its people.

372 comments:

  1. Quote:
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    SKC Report recommends Option 5 for creating a separate Telangana only if other two regions agree, thereby completely negating the very idea on which Article 3 was based."

    How dare you to teach our constitution to a former Supreme Court Judge? Do you think he passed the law exam by mass copying?

    wait a minut, you are correct, he seems like he dont understand our constitution, now I am really sorry for those victims who lost out because of his foolish judgment in his Supreme Court.

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    It goes on to say that ‘economically, the land locked region of Telangana may also lose out on access and opportunities to the eastern coastline which has a major port in Vishakhapatnam and many other sea ports.’ The argument against ‘land-locked’ states has no merit. Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand, are all land-locked states. "

    This was really not SKC's mistake, they just copied those golden sentences from our Modern Gandhi Lagadapati's report, they thought if this living Gandhi says that should be true. See... who really doubts that Gandhi will lie? Poor SKCs, they are busted.

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  3. What happened in Hyderabad today is an eye opener to what will happen under Taliban Rashtra Samithi and his cheerleaders on this site. We will oppose tooth and nail ANY attempts to merge Hyd in T state.

    We will not be held hostage to Telanganazis. SKC report has educated Indians about lies of this fake movement. After the incidents in Hyd today, Indians have lost any sympathy for T cause. KCR and his thugs should be deported to Af-Pak region with their supporters.

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    We will oppose tooth and nail ANY attempts to merge Hyd in T state."

    No one wants to merge, it is already there in Telangana.

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    Indians have lost any sympathy for T cause."

    So, whats you are waiting for? Pressure the govt to put the bill and work your ass off to not to pass that bill, that way you can shut every T-vadis for ever. So, stop barking here and start working on something productive whether it is TG or SA.

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    KCR and his thugs should be deported to Af-Pak region with their supporters."

    All I can say to you is Good luck.

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  5. For who every thinking T agitation is almost over, here we go ..


    The Andhra Pradesh Legislature descended into chaos today when Telangana Rashtriya Samiti and Telegu Desam Party MLAs hailing from Telangana region virtually manhandled Governor E S L Narasimhan during which the mike and the lectern were uprooted and chairs on the podium pulled down.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ap-assembly-chaos-trs-tdp-mlas-disrupt-governor/20110217.htm

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  6. For who ever thinks that MIM is against to Telangana and pro to United Andhra ....

    విలీనమయ్యే దౌర్భాగ్యం పట్టలేదు:అసద్‌

    హైదరాబాద్‌, న్యూస్‌టుడే: 'యాభై ఏళ్ల సుదీర్ఘ చరిత్రతో రాష్ట్ర రాజకీయాల్లో కీలకపాత్ర పోషిస్తున్న పార్టీ మాది, రాష్ట్రంలో రాజకీయ అస్థిరత్వం ఏర్పడితే ఎవరికి మద్దతు ఇవ్వాలో.. అప్పుడు ఆలోచించి తగిన నిర్ణయం తీసుకుంటాం' అని మజ్లిస్‌ ఇత్తేహాదుల్‌ ముస్లిమీన్‌ (ఎంఐఎం) పార్టీ అధినేత అసదుద్దీన్‌ ఒవైసీ పేర్కొన్నారు. సినిమా ఫక్కీలో ఇతర పార్టీలో విలీనమయ్యేంత దౌర్భాగ్య పరిస్థితి తమకు లేదన్నారు. తొలి నుంచి చెప్తున్నట్లుగానే, రాయల తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్ర ఏర్పాటుకు కట్టుబడి ఉన్నామని ఆయన స్పష్టం చేశారు. ఎంఐఎం ఆధ్వర్యంలో దారుస్సలాంలో నిర్వహించిన 'మిలాద్‌ ఉన్‌ నబీ' వేడుకల్లో ఆయన సుదీర్ఘ ప్రసంగం చేశారు. కొన్ని దుష్టశక్తులు ప్రచారం చేస్తున్నట్లు తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్ర ఏర్పాటుకు ఎంఐఎం వ్యతిరేకం కాదని అసదుద్దీన్‌ తేల్చి చెప్పారు.

    Eenadu, 17 Feb, 2011

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  7. తెలంగాణ సహాయ నిరాకరణ ఉద్యమం చేపడతామని తెలంగాణ జేఏసీ నాయకులు చెప్పడం ప్రభుత్వ వ్యతిరేక చర్యని, అలా కొనసాగితే 18 నుంచి తిరుపతి కేంద్రంగా సీమాంధ్రలో సహాయ నిరాకరణ ఉద్యమం చేపడతామని రెవెన్యూ అసోసియేషన్ తిరుపతి డివిజన్ అధ్యక్షులు నరసింహులు నాయుడు తెలి పారు.

    Sakshi, 17 Feb, 2009

    What moron this guy is, he warns the 'non co-operation movement' is a anti govt. movement and yet he threats to do the same anti govt. movement.

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  8. "That will only push the desperate people in India to find solutions outside the purview of Indian constitution which will undermine India’s democratic credentials and thereby threaten India’s unity."
    India will not be cowed down by irrelevant and insipid threat .India is stong both internally and externally. Just because a guy with vested interest by name Sujai wields some threat,it doesn't mean India has to agree to whatever he blabbers.

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  9. India is stong both internally and externally.

    When I read your above sentence I remember the movie 'Swadesh', when hero went into village, the elder villagers keep praising saying "India is great, it will became a super power soon" then hero relies 'No, if this current situation continues, India will definitely collapse"

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  10. Some wisdom from Jared Diamonds book Guns,germ and Steel.


    He argues that Unification of a Country is a Curse. He cites the example of China which was a Unified empire Under the Central control of a single despotic King, he made some stupid decision that led to cancelling of their Sea-faring and over seas trading, Unlike the divided europe where each nation competed with Other, So it evolved advanced technology just by the Survival of fittest rule.Where as China under Unison stagnated for a 1000 years

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  11. India is stong both internally and externally.

    Its funny, these so called patriots always think India is strong and never want to see the real picture.

    Yes, India is strong, when China occupied Indian land and now claims Arunachal Pradesh.

    Yes, India is strong, when Bangladesh army killed tens of our army personals and we did nothing.

    Yes, India is strong, when a ten terrorists came from Pakistan to Mumbai and killed more than hundred Indians, and we did nothing.

    Yes, India is strong, when even Sri Lanka also started capturing our fishermen more frequently.

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  12. The formation of Telangana Certainly raises some concerns about Naxalism, Because Naxals like to Operate in Borders of States, the more the borders more it is better for them, But Denying Telangana On the Basis of Naxal Threat only Increases Dissatifaction among TG people and it may become a Self- fullfilling Prophecy.

    But enough for Scholarly talk, the time for Debates is Over its time for action.

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  13. Sujai , I heard that in Egypt It was a Google executive named " Wael Ghonim" who Started a Facebook Page that Started the Revolution.

    You could be wael ghonim of Telangana.

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  14. KCR could not have asked for a more Wilder Birthday Party Today, Governor got Manhandled, JP got his ass Kicked, Non-coperation movement became a Success . The Only Regret of the Day was that No One Threw a Chappal stained with Shit at the face of the Governor , it could have served him right.

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  15. 198 ways of Non-voilent ProtestsFebruary 17, 2011 11:59 PM

    http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf

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  16. 198 Non-violent techniquesFebruary 18, 2011 12:01 AM

    http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf

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  17. The Only Regret of the Day was that No One Threw a Chappal stained with Shit at the face of the Governor , it could have served him right.

    Another regret is they left our beloved mega star. I wish they ass kicked him too.

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  18. ​​​​​http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods-1.pdf

    sujai i hope u will post this on your blog



    from Gene Sharp, The Methods of Nonviolent Action, Boston 1973)

    THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUASION

    FORMAL STATEMENTS

    Public speeches
    Letters of opposition or support
    Declarations by organizations and institutions
    Signed public declarations
    Declarations of indictment and intention
    Group or mass petitions
    COMMUNICATIONS WITH A WIDER AUDIENCE

    Slogans, caricatures, and symbols
    Banners, posters, and displayed communications
    Leaflets, pamphlets, and books
    Newspapers and journals
    Records, radio, and television
    Skywriting and earthwriting
    GROUP REPRESENTATIONS

    Deputations
    Mock awards
    Group lobbying
    Picketing
    Mock elections
    SYMBOLIC PUBLIC ACTS

    Displays of flags and symbolic colours
    Wearing of symbols
    Prayer and worship
    Delivering symbolic objects
    Protest disrobings
    Destruction of own property
    Symbolic lights
    Displays of portraits
    Paint as protest
    New signs and names
    Symbolic sounds
    Symbolic reclamations
    Rude gestures
    PRESSURES ON INDIVIDUALS

    “Haunting” officials
    Taunting officials
    Fraternization
    Vigils
    DRAMA AND MUSIC

    Humourous skits and pranks
    Performances of plays and music
    Singing
    PROCESSIONS

    Marches
    Parades
    Religious processions
    Pilgrimages
    Motorcades
    HONOURING THE DEAD

    Political mourning
    Mock funerals
    Demonstrative funerals
    Homage at burial places
    PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES

    Assemblies of protest or support
    Protest meetings
    Camouflaged meetings of protest
    Teach-ins

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  19. http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations103a.html


    http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf

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  20. @Green_Star:
    "So, whats you are waiting for? Pressure the govt to put the bill and work your ass off to not to pass that bill, that way you can shut every T-vadis for ever. So, stop barking here and start working on something productive whether it is TG or SA. "

    Why do we need to put pressure on the center? If center, ever, introduces the bill, it will be defeated.

    One or two more physical attacks on MLAs/MPs... center will take care of the state. Those who attacked and supported attacks on JP are cowards. Good luck getting Telangana after this treatment to gov and JP.

    What happened to 'world democrat' Sujai who talks about people's rights and self-respect? Do you attack anyone 'physically' who talks something u don't like? This fake movement should be crushed with iron fist.

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  21. [One or two more physical attacks on MLAs/MPs... center will take care of the state]

    ...boring....

    [This fake movement should be crushed with iron fist. ]

    Again, good luck.

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  22. శ్రీకృష్ణ నివేదిక అసత్యాల పుట్ట!
    * హైకోర్టు న్యాయమూర్తి జస్టిస్ ఎల్.నరసింహారెడ్డి సంచలన వ్యాఖ్యలు
    * ‘సుప్రీం’ మాజీ జడ్జి నిరాధార నివేదిక ఇవ్వడం సిగ్గుచేటు
    * శ్రీకృష్ణలాంటి వ్యక్తులు ఏ వ్యవస్థలో ఉంటే ఆ వ్యవస్థ భ్రష్టుపడుతుంది
    * 8వ చాప్టర్‌లో ఏముందో ప్రజలకు తెలియాలి.. పిటిషన్‌పై విచారణ మార్చి 3కు వాయిదా

    హైదరాబాద్, న్యూస్‌లైన్: సుప్రీంకోర్టు జడ్జిగా పనిచేసిన జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ రాష్ట్ర విభజన అంశంపై నిరాధారమైన, అవాస్తవాలతో కూడిన నివేదిక ఇవ్వడం సిగ్గుచేటని హైకోర్టు న్యాయమూర్తి జస్టిస్ ఎల్.నరసింహారెడ్డి తీవ్రంగా వ్యాఖ్యానించారు. ఆయన నివేదికను చూస్తే ప్రజాసామ్యంపై ఉన్న కొద్దిపాటి నమ్మకం కూడా సన్నగిల్లుతుందని చెప్పారు. జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ లాంటి వ్యక్తులు ఏ వ్యవస్థలో ఉంటే ఆ వ్యవస్థ భ్రష్టుపడుతుందంటూ ధ్వజమెత్తారు. రూ.40 కోట్లు ఖర్చు చేసి ఇచ్చిన నివేదిక ఇంత నిరాధారంగా ఉండడం, కమిటీకి జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ నేతృత్వం వహించడం దురదృష్టకరమన్నారు. ప్రజాస్వామ్యాన్ని న్యాయవ్యవస్థే పరిరక్షించలేకపోతే ఎవరు కాపాడతారని ప్రశ్నించారు. శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ నివేదికలోని 8వ చాప్టర్‌ను బహిర్గతం చేయాలని కోరుతూ నిజామాబాద్‌కు చెందిన మాజీ ఎంపీ నారాయణరెడ్డి దాఖలు చేసిన పిటిషన్‌ను జస్టిస్ నరసింహారెడ్డి గురువారం మరోసారి విచారించారు.

    ఈ సందర్భంగా 8వ చాప్టర్‌ను అసిస్టెంట్ సొలిసిటర్ జనరల్ రవీంద్రన్ సీల్డ్‌కవర్‌లో న్యాయమూర్తికి అందజేశారు. నిఘావర్గాలు ఇచ్చిన సమాచారం ఆధారంగా శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ చాప్టర్ 8ని రూపొందించిందని, ఇది ప్రజలకు తెలియాల్సిన అవసరం లేదని రవీంద్రన్ చెప్పారు. రాష్ట్ర విభజన అంశం ఈ చాప్టర్ ఆధారంగా జరగదని కూడా నివేదించారు. ఈ నివేదికను బహిర్గతం చేయాలని ఆదేశించినా అందుకు కేంద్రం సిద్ధంగా లేదని తెలిపారు. అయితే ఈ విషయంలో కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వ అభ్యంతరాలను తెలుపుతూ కౌంటర్ దాఖలు చేస్తామని అన్నారు.

    కాగా ఈ నివేదికలో ఉన్న అంశాలను పరిశీలించేందుకు న్యాయమూర్తి 20 నిమిషాలపాటు విచారణను వాయిదా వేశారు. అనంతరం ఆయన విచారణ కొనసాగిస్తూ.. జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణపై సంచలన వ్యాఖ్యలు చేశారు. ‘‘ప్రజాస్వామ్యంలో ప్రజల మనోభావాలకు విలువ ఇవ్వాల్సిన అవసరం ఉంది. ఈజిప్టులో ఏం జరిగింది. ప్రజలు రోడ్లపైకి వచ్చి ఆందోళనలు చేస్తే 18 రోజుల్లో 30 ఏళ్ల నియంతృత్వ పాలన తోకముడిచింది’’ అంటూ ఆగ్రహం వ్యక్తం చేశారు. ఎమర్జెన్సీ సమయంలో ప్రజలకు వ్యతిరేకంగా ఉన్న ప్రభుత్వ ధోరణులను జస్టిస్ ఖన్నా చీల్చిచెండాడారని, ప్రస్తుతం ప్రజలకు వ్యతిరేకమైన పరిస్థితులు ఉన్నప్పుడు ప్రజలవైపు నిలబడకపోతే తాను విఫలమైనట్లేనని అభిప్రాయపడ్డారు.

    న్యాయమూర్తి అనే వ్యక్తి అందరినీ సమానంగా చూడాలని, జస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ ఆ విధంగా వ్యవహరించినట్లు లేదని నరసింహారెడ్డి అన్నారు. ‘‘తెలంగాణ ఇచ్చేటట్లయితే ఓ నిర్దిష్ట గ్రూపు బలపడుతుందని, ప్రశాంత వాతావరణం ఉన్న చోట శాంతిభద్రతలకు విఘాతం కలుగుతుందని అభూతకల్పనలతో పేర్కొన్నారు. ఒక రాజకీయ పార్టీ అధిష్టానాన్ని, లేదా ఓ ఎంపీని రాష్ట్ర విభజనపై అధ్యయనం చేసి నివేదిక ఇవ్వమంటే కూడా ఇటువంటి నిరర్ధకమైన, దారుణమైన నివేదిక ఇవ్వరేమో. రూ.40 కోట్లు ఖర్చు చేసి ఇటువంటి తప్పుడు నివేదిక ఇస్తారా? ప్రజాధనంతో వేసిన కమిటీలు ఇచ్చే నివేదికల్లో ఏముందో తెలుసుకునే హక్కు ప్రజలకు ఉంది. చాప్టర్ 8ని తప్పకుండా ప్రజలముందుంచాలి. మాజీ న్యాయమూర్తులు ఎలా ఉండకూడదో ఈ కమిటీని చూసి నేర్చుకోవాలి’’ అని వ్యాఖ్యానించారు.

    రాష్ట్ర విభజనపై కేంద్రం తీసుకునే నిర్ణయంపై ఈ కమిటీ నివేదిక ప్రభావం చూపుతుందని అభిప్రాయపడ్డారు. చాప్టర్ 8ని బహిర్గతపరిచే విషయంలో అభ్యంతరాలను తెలియజేస్తామని కేంద్రం అభ్యర్థించిన నేపథ్యంలో న్యాయమూర్తి విచారణను మార్చి 3వ తేదీకి వాయిదా వేశారు. సీల్డ్ కవర్‌లో తనకిచ్చిన చాప్టర్ 8ని జస్టిస్ నరసింహారెడ్డి తిరిగి అదనపు సొలిసిటర్ జనరల్‌కు ఇచ్చేశారు.

    Sakshi, 18 Feb, 2011

    Slowly, the truth about SKC is coming out.

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  23. wiki, High Court Judge too pissed at SKCFebruary 18, 2011 8:09 AM

    Some of the Statements made by Justice L.narasimha Reddy after reading the contents of the undisclosed "eighth Chapter" for 20 minutes.

    From Hindu
    << He was visibly Upset after reading the chapter and was struggling to control his anger, He said that the Contents made a "DISTURBING" reading material and Said it was Unfortunate that a retired SC judge was made to associate with such an exercise, he said that the tone and tenor of the report was not good for democracy. He went on to say that Even "Political Rivals" would not make Such "sweeping comments" found in the concealed chapter. He said that the contents were a "DISGRACE" and he also passed "CRITICAL" comments about the SKC members.

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  24. Prof Kondaram couldnt have Said it Better than this Judge.

    <<



    "Srikrishna report full of blatant lies: HC judge"

    Read more: Srikrishna report full of blatant lies: HC judge - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Srikrishna-report-full-of-blatant-lies-HC-judge/articleshow/7518697.cms#ixzz1EH7bZrFO
    Justice L Narasimha Reddy of the AP High Court on Thursday described the 'secret' contents of the Srikrishna Committee as full of lies and mind-boggling descriptions of non-existent things.

    "It is unfortunate that this report and its related exercise was presided over by a former judge of the Supreme Court," he told additional solicitor general M Raveendran. The issue came up when the judge was hearing a petition filed by former Congress MP M Narayan Reddy demanding chapter 8 of the committee report, which was submitted to the Centre in a sealed envelope, be made public. "This committee has spent Rs 40 crore of public money for preparing its report. Any person with a semblance of faith in the system of democracy would lose faith in it. The report prepared by the front office of an MP would have been more sensible than this report. Even the high command of a political party would have hesitated to prepare such a report," he noted.

    Read more: Srikrishna report full of blatant lies: HC judge - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Srikrishna-report-full-of-blatant-lies-HC-judge/articleshow/7518697.cms#ixzz1EH7I3Dg4

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  25. What happened in state assembly is a shame on Indian democracy! I am deeply saddened that TRS folks physically assaulted JP.

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  26. He said that the contents were a "DISGRACE" and he also passed "CRITICAL" comments about the SKC members.
    By such remarks he too confirmed state of affairs with judiciary.
    Maybe he forgot that the chapter was not disclosed bcoz contents are not good for democracy.

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  27. "when it calls entire people of Telangana lazy and subservient. "

    Hey, this is wrong. SKC states
    "Telangana people are often considered subservient and lazy and they feel that coastal Andhra people exercise a 'veiled contempt' towards them."

    "Indians should clearly understood that India’s strength lies in celebration of its diversity, allowing various groups to retain their identity within the confines of an overarching identity of being Indian"

    You are beings over-optimistic here. The problem is not lack of intelligence(though it is seriously lacking), but lack of open-mindedness. We are never willing to accept that the opposite party may be right. It is reflected everywhere-not just Telengana. Pro-reservation is termed 'vote bank politics'. M F Husain's art is termed vulgar. Arundhuti Roy is branded traitor. Binayak Sen's support for tribals is projected as support for Maoists.

    What if, as Lavanya suggested, Telengana is created, only we call it Hyderabad and Hyderabad city becomes its capital. Will that make Sera happy?

    What is missing is leaders with vision and decision-making ability. There are no giants like Nehru and Patel. You may argue how Uttarakhand, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand was formed. But there was no economic marvel like Hyderabad involved.

    If Telengana is formed, it won't be anytime soon, unless people rise together like Tunisia and Egypt-" Latho ke Bhoot batoein se nahin mante".

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  28. >> If Telengana is formed, it won't be anytime soon, unless people rise together like Tunisia and Egypt-

    The situation here is different my friend. If people rise in unison, a democratically elected govt will be quell it by force. People themselves are gonna lose. If union govt. feels T is not gonna form, its not gonna form. That's what happened in 1969 and that I think is what will happen now. That is what's happening in Kashmir. India democracy is immature. All decisions can't be taken because majority of the people feel so. Union govt. will act firm based on what's good for the long term and I am sure it will be forced to use force.

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  29. @United Indian

    <<<"when it calls entire people of Telangana lazy and subservient. "

    Hey, this is wrong. SKC states
    "Telangana people are often considered subservient and lazy and they feel that coastal Andhra people exercise a 'veiled contempt' towards them."

    >>>For any Lay Person reading this, It looks like SKC committee made that Observation, For example for Your Andhra brain How this will look:
    "Andhra people are often considered looters and thieves and they feel that Telangana people exercise a 'veiled contempt' towards them."

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  30. @SLB
    <<<Maybe he forgot that the chapter was not disclosed bcoz contents are not good for democracy.


    SO please go and enlighten the Honorable Judge with your Unlimited Andhra wisdom whats Good for Democracy( Sorry whats good for andhras)

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  31. The 8'th chapter of SKC will be the last straw on the Telangana camel's back.

    Wait up for this to come to light and entire nation will get to learn what the Telangana people have been dealing with all these decades.

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  32. This a Black Day. I feel so sad about the happening in Assembly.
    1.for using force/directly indirectly against a fundamental right.
    2. That to a person like JP trying for a small change towards the right directions.
    3. I think KTR should be hanged or severely punished so that a strong msg be sent for anything that against law. I guess he is going very fast towards Takheray's raj.

    4. common people like common voters and to the ppl us (most) dont vote but still have concern about the development of state should call this a black day and should vote to NONE of the above or support ppl like JP. Should not give a chance to ppl like KTR and should make him not eligible for mla/minister posts.

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  33. >> What happened to 'world democrat' Sujai who talks about people's rights and self-respect? Do you attack anyone 'physically' who talks something u don't like?

    Seems like if Telangana is formed, physically attacking people is going to be the norm. All the residents of Telangana, get ready to be beaten up. I had respect for KTR before but not anymore. What a lousy peace of crap he is.

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  34. From what I hear JP is not some "white knight" in the murky Andhra Politics, He was known to be Corrupt when he was in IAS.

    JP and his Panel of "Andhra" Democracy experts are teaching Us Tvadis gospels on Constitution , I agree that Assaulting the Governor is an Insult to the Constitution Itself, But Our Great Narismhan lost all his Constitutional legitimacy when he acted as a Personal "Courier" to Sonia Gandhi, So-actually TRS mlas Saved the values of "constitution" by not allowing a Dog like Narsimhan to Function and Violate the Sacred seat of Governorship.

    And about the assault on JP, it looked like he Purposely Provoked TRS people for gaining some "PR" space and unfortunately TRS fell for his trap.

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  35. @ all those worried about constitution :

    Its good to see lot of ppl worried about constitution and the hypocrite JP.


    1)Central govt announces state formation based on consensus in assembly and back tracks
    2)All the parties in assembly extended their support for T formation and then retracted after Dec 9th.
    3)Not letting OU students to even go for a protestation.
    4)intentionally provoking students and firing rubber/metal bullets and not letting common man know about it by announcing media black out
    5)using fence to stop the mob because of which ppl were hurt.One guy had almost 90 stitches on his face
    6)hitting even women badly with lathis who are peacefully protesting
    7)Ppl ask ministers to go back as a part of protesting Racha Banda.For that they were beaten properly.Ironically this so-called welfare program is "for the people"


    So,during all the above events Constitution was properly followed according to JP and all of those worried about CONSTITUTION.

    This fellow who only knows to use the phrase constitutional ways might have forgotten that, what happened in Assembly is constitutional.Stopping the proceedings from happening is absolutely constitutional.In Karnataka assembly one person removed his shirt once to show his protest.someone can stand on the benches or disturb the assembly without hurting a person physically in the assembly to show one's protest.

    JP who was sleeping all the while thinking that constitution is properly followed suddenly woke up.

    Its just not T agitation,he has problem with two more agitation before by some labor unions.This fellow only is good at using the words constitutional but can't face it in reality.

    No wonder media in this country is like this.People are also no different from media.The HINDU writes KTR pushed him and beat it.I didn't know which part of the body to use to laugh at this news.

    When so many students committed suicides, media doesn't respond.Someone smacks JP, they create a fuss.This incident is not worth more than IPC 323 according to Raghunandan an advocate.Arrest is also not necessary for this incident.He can be bailed out even before police take him to custody.Here we have a media and a group of ppl worried about constitution feeling very bad for what has happened yes'day.

    Democracy is about the ppl and the entire region of ppl are voicing the same opinion though govt lends deaf ear always.The constitution that was not dead then is dead when some frustrated person smacks JP.Great conclusion.

    He announces to resign as a legislator.Good decision.Assembly is no place for hypocrites.I hope at least for once for a change he does what he says.

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  36. [What happened to 'world democrat' Sujai who talks about people's rights and self-respect? Do you attack anyone 'physically' who talks something u don't like?]

    Maybe one expect from MMTN Sujai something like

    Everything is fair in war and 'movement'. Of course only from my viewpoint bcoz I claim 'victimhood'.

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  37. @ T Bidda




    U and ur ilk critsised SKC as biased and corrupt. Why cant we claim that Jutice Narasimha Reddy is biased towards Telangana caz he is from Warangal ??He has made a comment after reading it for just 20mins ??

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  38. @all :

    one more point to be added.Yes'day after Assembly incident a lady journalist was thrown down and kicked by police in stomach.

    Dont worry ppl.The constitution is still alive when the lady was kicked.The constitution was dead only when MLAs stopped the proceedings and JP was smacked.

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  39. oh we all forgot, KTR gets his hints and clues from Sujai MMTN. Beat up all of those who are in disagreement with you and then proclaim you did it because you were incited.

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  40. Good news for Telanganites.

    Disgusted with attack on JP Kavuri said "we do not care if state is divided into many parts. Should we live like salves in capital?"

    Disgusted? Hmm...
    Or was he scared eventually and ....?

    Excellent demonstartion of non-violent non-cooperation movement.
    The height of non-violence neither Mahatma Gandhi nor Buddha reached in entire life that T movement achieved on day 1 itself..

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  41. @ tintin:

    He announces to resign as a legislator.Good decision.Assembly is no place for hypocrites.I hope at least for once for a change he does what he says.


    I do regret the fact that the incident occurred in the assembly premises when he is an acting MLA.

    It is important that "respect to chair" is not to be forgotten. He is an honorably elected member to the house. The guy who assaulted him should be punished.

    Having said that....

    I was hoping that the holy cow will resign after yesterday's incident. But, sadly... he merely scared the shit out of all political parties that he will be resigning to become a martyr.... and later acted as though he never planned on a resignation.

    The psycho is too full of himself. He has never apologized for the assult on T-vadis who attended his meetings in the past... he never stood up for human rights or constitutional rights when OU became a nazi-camp-of-AP-govt. Now, he is all set to steal the limelight using his same old same old holy gospels of vyavastha and raajyaangam! What a fake!!! He is no gandhi... he is no leader.

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  42. oh we all forgot, KTR gets his hints and clues from Sujai MMTN. Beat up all of those who are in disagreement with you and then proclaim you did it because you were incited.

    Whatever your name 'Anonymous', you are just a kid in these discussions. There is long way to go to understand KTR and MMTN.
    You missed what KTR said on the standing (physically) on other side of the event. "nothing happened there".

    BTW, One Laxmanarao, TRS MLC says those who attacked JP were not TRS members but mischief makers.

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  43. @ SLB :

    Excellent demonstartion of non-violent non-cooperation movement.
    The height of non-violence neither Mahatma Gandhi nor Buddha reached in entire life that T movement achieved on day 1 itself..


    Had ppl really decided to take the path you think they have taken,JP would have been mobbed and beaten during racha banda only.

    Just like you feel KCR is moron,Kavuri is one moron who only thinks speaks sense but in fact not.The pathetic part is to see something like this come from Lagadapti.Where were his constitutional thoughts when he manhandled a person in Krishna district who confronted him about his stand on Telangana ?

    When Telangana ppl are being violent in the name of non-coperation according to you, SA ppl are just being cynical and hypocritical in the name of showing maturity according to me.

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  44. Because this is all getting physical now, I would like to see a real war between Telangana and SA and see who wins. May be KCR/SA guys can lease some weapons from USA (its economy would do with the help). Start the war. Center is the arbitrator. All of those who are afraid can go out and watch the fun.

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  45. @ SLB :

    You missed what KTR said on the standing (physically) on other side of the event. "nothing happened there".

    "Nothing happened here".Dont worry SLB.Thats what even DGP, Home Minister of AP and CM told when students were fired in OU.Where were voices of ppl like you then ?They were not human beings right ?

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  46. @ Telangana Bidda :

    I do regret the fact that the incident occurred in the assembly

    I am glad this occurred in the premises of Assembly but not inside the assembly.

    India needed a Godse to end the hypocrisy of Gandhi.Hypocrisy among politicians has to end on some day.I am not saying they have to be killed.I am only saying that i am "OK" with such incidents of JP and Shinde.Politicians speak whatever they want,thinking no one can touch them.

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  47. >> Politicians speak whatever they want,thinking no one can touch them.

    Very true. KCR is in the line, first. Let he be beaten hard.

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  48. >> Very true. KCR is in the line, first. Let he be beaten hard.

    Hey careful, don't kill that poor fellow...

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  49. wat happened to is very unfortunate he deserves broomstick or chappal only,,,next we shall try to improve our punishing method guys,,, jp a so called pseudointellect deserves the worst punishment than this .,,,,,mallesh is now a hero in telangana keep it up mallesh jai telangana

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  50. mallesh new hero of telangana movement tank bund meeda vigraham pettale

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  51. [TimesOfIndia] "Srikrishna report full of blatant lies: HC judge" http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Srikrishna-report-full-of-blatant-lies-HC-judge/articleshow/7518697.cms

    Maybe this helps.

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  52. India should continue the path of creation more states in India in accordance with regional aspirations of its people.

    Regional aspiration can't be a reason enough for creating a new state, re-creating old states. A very immature conclusion.

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  53. Deccan Chronicle: Reveal secret T-report: HC judge

    Feb. 17: Justice L. Narasimha Reddy of the AP High Court on Friday expressed outrage at the contents of the ‘secret report’ submitted by the Justice Srikrishna Committee on state bifurcation and said it should be made public so that people would know what such committees were doing.

    The judge, who perused the report, said its contents were mind boggling and added that the committee exceeded its terms and references in preparing a report on law and order situation. Regarding the references on the communal and political overtones of the bifurcation, the judge remarked that the committee had “over projected certain non existing things in its ‘secret’ findings.” “It is unfortunate that a retired judge of Supreme Court was associated with this kind of report,” he said. “It is disgraceful for any person. Was it for this that the government spent `40 crore on the committee?”

    He added that such reports would decrease the public confidence in judiciary. “If the judiciary fails in protecting democracy then who will?” the judge asked.

    The additional solicitor-general, Mr M. Ravindran, while placing the secret report in a sealed cover, said it was prepared on the basis of intelligence inputs and urged the court to peruse it.

    Justice Narasimha Reddy left for chambers to examine the report. He returned in 25 minutes in an angry mood and said the contents make disturbing reading. “It should be put before the public, so the people can know what sorts of committees are appointed by the governments,” he said.

    On being persuaded by the judge, the ASG also read the last two pages of the report and agreed that the committee need not have gone into all this. However, Mr Ravindran added that the Centre would file a counter affidavit if the judge wanted to make the report public.

    The court then returned the ‘secret report’ and posted the matter to March 3.

    External Link: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/hyderabad/reveal-secret-t-report-hc-judge-768

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  54. The great YRS had banned live coverage of the proceedings in the Assembly....
    A media gag,during his autocratic rule...

    Who released these partial clippings inside the Assembly???
    An enquiry should be brought in,to catch those culprits first....

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  55. THE HINDU: Chapter 8 of Srikrishna panel report disturbing, says judge

    HYDERABAD: Justice L. Narasimha Reddy of the A.P. High Court on Thursday expressed deep displeasure and anguish over the contents of eighth chapter of the report submitted by Justice B.N. Srikrishna Committee on law and order, which has been withheld from public.

    The judge perused in his chamber the report submitted to him in a sealed cover. He later returned it in a sealed cover to the Additional Solicitor General of India, M. Ravindran.

    Justice Narasimha Reddy was hearing arguments in a case filed by former MP Narayan Reddy seeking publication of the chapter eight of the report. Mr. Ravindran brought the eighth chapter in a sealed cover and requested the judge to read it. He said that he was instructed to say that this chapter was based upon sensitive intelligence reports, security concerns in the event of final decision on the Telangana issue.

    He said that after reading the report, if the court felt it need not be withheld, then the government would file counter affidavit and arguments would be forwarded to sustain the decision of the government to keep it away from public gaze. He further said that if the court came to the conclusion that this chapter need not be made public, the case would be closed. Justice Reddy reminded Mr. Ravindran that he did not pass any order to look into the report and he was going to read it at the request of the government.

    The judge retired into the chambers and read the report for about 20 minutes. As soon as he entered the court hall, Justice Narasimha Reddy was seen controlling himself. He said that the contents made disturbing reading. He minced no words and said that it was unfortunate that a retired Supreme Court judge was made to associate with such exercise. He said that the tone and tenor of the report were not good for democracy.

    Later, the judge passed an order declaring that the contents kept in sealed cover had a bearing on the course of action which may be taken by the political establishment and the public were entitled to know its contents. Before passing the oral order in open court, the judge wondered whether even the political rivals would ever make such sweeping comments found in the concealed chapter. He said that the court would fail in its duty if it did not respond to such a situation.

    A disgrace

    He persuaded the Additional Solicitor General to look into last two pages of the chapter. After reading the four paragraphs, Mr. Ravindran commented that they need not have gone into all this. The judge went on to say that the contents were a disgrace.

    He passed severe comments about the attitude of the members of the committee in preparing such report. The case would be listed on March 3 so that arguments would be advanced by both sides on the question whether to make the contents public or not.

    External Link: http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/18/stories/2011021861750500.htm

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  56. Anonymous said...

    >> What happened in state assembly is a shame on Indian democracy! I am deeply saddened that TRS folks physically assaulted JP.

    Let me start by condemning the attack on Mr. JP Narayan. I hope the perpetrators are brought to justics.

    The fact that Narayan is an exhibitionist shamelessly promoting himself, a pseudo-intellectual and a clueless moron repeating meaningless nonsense day after day do not justify violence against him.

    BTW the incident happened outside the assembly. So much for your perception!

    Where were you when your TDP goondas beat up advocates protesting peacefully? Where were you when your messiah Lagadapati beat up a political rival at the recent rachabanda? Where were you when the marshals beat Harish & Sammaiah to unconsciousness?

    Where were you when the goondas of the andh(r)a govt. unleashed a vicious pogram on our students, not even sparing women & the press, not even allowing food & ambulance to enter?

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  57. tintin,

    lecturing me on what is KCR or what is Kavuri is of no use.

    I do not articles like "Is the movement non-violent?" "Shall we become violent?" and then try defend some actions as counter reactions.

    'I' does not matter, yet a couple of 'Is'
    1. I beleive society cannot have choices like point blank yes or no. Like 'ఉగాది పచ్చడి' and 'తెలుగు భోజనం' life has a spectrum of choices as well as compulsions. Punishment also one of them. దండం దశగుణం భవేత్!

    2. I do not like preachers. Especially those who cannot practice. Worse I hate execuses. 'చెప్పేవి శ్రీరంగనీతులు...'. I definitly enjoying poking this kind of people.

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  58. An enquiry should be brought in,to catch those culprits first....
    What if it ends up like SKC. Oneside ot the other will reject it. Isn't it?
    Gaali Janardhanreddy rejected supreme court committee report.

    Of course, I am game for FBI or MI. :-)

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  59. @Aravind,

    //Why do we need to put pressure on the center? If center, ever, introduces the bill, it will be defeated.//

    Welcome to the party....

    The entire mass resignation drama of the SA leaders after PC's announcement was to stall the process of introducing the T bill,first in the Assembly and then in the Parliament....

    The Centre refuses to introduce the bill in the Parliament,and wants a "consensus" amongst the T and SA leaders,which is the dumbest possible proposal under the present scenario.....

    You cannot ask one party to get the permission of the other if you seek division.....

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  60. @SLB,

    //Of course, I am game //

    Of course you are game.....
    That is what you are here for....

    JP is an elected representative from Hyderabad...It's people are demanding their representatives speak for their aspirations...

    If he had been the only one to get that treatment,I would have condemned it...He is just one in line,and people are fed with up with his pseudo intellectual talks...

    All the warnings fell on deaf ears,so,enjoy the proceedings of the game now...

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  61. @ SLB :

    lecturing me on what is KCR or what is Kavuri is of no use.

    Very true.No matter how much I expose morons like Kavuri or lagadapati or TG venkatesh or JC diwakar,ppl like you are busy pointing fingers at T ppl.So,it of no use lecturing ppl like you on that.Thanks for reminding me.

    I do not like preachers. Especially those who cannot practice.

    Good for you.Let me tell you one thing.Philosophy always sounds good as long as it doesn't apply to the one who preaches it.

    Gandhi then,JP now.SLB next ?

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  62. @lavanya,

    >> It's people are demanding their representatives speak for their aspirations...

    People/voters can have their say during next elections, not manhandling someone who has an opinion different to that of yours.

    >> people are fed with up with his pseudo intellectual talks...

    I'm too fed up with a lot of people's talks, is it ok for me to gang up with a few people and assault them ?

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  63. @tnitin

    SLB never understands black comedy or sarcasm....

    Most of his entertainment is provided by watching 'games',not playing them...:-)

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  64. All the warnings fell on deaf ears,so,enjoy the proceedings of the game now...
    This is what everybody looking for. Who blinks first? TRS blinked. Who will pay for it? Let us wait and see....

    BTW, this will not be 45mins each 2 halves football game.... This is elevated to the war of attrition....
    Cool! The game is being played in challenger's home ground not defender's. Honestly, SAs have nothing to lose anymore nor they will lose anymore.
    Will challengers end up proving the items in unpublished eighth chapter and make the HC judge a ...?

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  65. Good for you.Let me tell you one thing.Philosophy always sounds good as long as it doesn't apply to the one who preaches it.

    Well! I leave it to your wisdom whether I preached anything anytime on this blog. I only discuss. I only present what I know (or rather I feel I know). You find preaching in it? No issues!

    Gandhi then,JP now.SLB next ?
    Besides great world renowned philosphers and authors you must have heard of Telgu Friends బాపు-రమణ.
    Thier బుడుగు quote 'నా అంతవాణ్ని నేను...'.
    I do not like to be somebody else even at the cost of being nobody.

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  66. @ OmShanti :

    People/voters can have their say during next elections, not manhandling someone who has an opinion different to that of yours.

    These things always seem to be feasible on paper but not in reality.Ppl got a chance to tell what they want to during bye-elections.I am not asking you to look at just the results.I am asking you to look at the majority they got.Is that not sufficient ? What will you do when the same thing was told for the past 1 year to the thick-skinned govt and still find no response?

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  67. @ SLB :

    Well! I leave it to your wisdom whether I preached anything anytime on this blog. I only discuss. I only present what I know (or rather I feel I know). You find preaching in it? No issues!

    Now you are acting like SA media.When i just told about kavuri, you call it "lecturing".When you tell us something,you call it "discussing".Thank you sir.Lesson learnt.

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  68. >>>>>>SLB never understands black comedy or sarcasm....

    Obviously. He has no idea of violence either or how it feels when one bashes up somebody.

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  69. >>>>>>>>> What will you do when the same thing was told for the past 1 year to the thick-skinned govt and still find no response?



    Trash them up obviously and hit them till blood comes out.

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  70. Omshanti,

    //People/voters can have their say during next elections, not manhandling someone who has an opinion different to that of yours.//

    They already waited through two election cycles,and asking them to repeat the same for another term is not just being insincere,it is inhuman as well....

    JP had it coming his way for a long time...

    Unfortunately people have become blind to other forms of disagreements and have taken a liking for these expressions,which is unfortunate...

    Bush,PC,JP,or Nagam's cases are but a few examples...
    Sad,but unfortunately true....

    Even students resort to violence as a tactic,to gain media's attention...As a strategy,I support that when all others forms of appeal have failed...

    //I'm too fed up with a lot of people's talks, is it ok for me to gang up with a few people and assault them ?//

    I suggest you go through all other democratically available channels,before attempting that....

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  71. >> BTW the incident happened outside the assembly. So much for your perception!
    Oh..my bad. But was it not still in the premise of the assembly though not assembly hall. So would this make the offense wee bit less painful?

    Any use unwarranted force to supress freedom guaranteed by constitution is condemnable.

    All the names you call JP would have been the corresponding antonyms had he openly supported Telagana formation.

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  72. @Sujai:

    Instead of falling into the trap set by the incident involving the self proclaimed intellectual, let me return to the subject of the post.

    I don't know how many folks here are familar with the Indian tendering process. I find many paralellls between the SKC report & the crony capitalist tool called "tender documents".

    The best way to fix a contract (atleast after the Vithal "reforms") is for the vendor to write the tender document on behalf of the customer. The fixers will slant the tender specs (especially the pre-qualification requirements aka PQ) in their favor. For example, this will look like "the vendor should have n years of experience using XYZ process". The document will be similarly loaded with ^V from the vendor's promotional material.

    The next common aspect of tenders is that they are drafted by multiple authors. The fixer for obvious reasons does not care about the technical elements. He delegates this to a group of people (e.g. production manager, quality manager, SME etc.) inside his company. None of these has met the customer or understand the project needs. These guys write up some material based on their previous experience. This leads to incoherent & inconsistent nonsense (e.g. text relating to thermal power for a hydel plant, process elements relating to ABCD instead of XYZ prescribed by the fixer in PQ).

    The fixer then sends it over to his junkie at the client side who forwards parts of the document to some of his own groups. These guys move text between chapters, duplicate material a few times, rdraft a little and other DTP activity to give it an unrecognizable shape. (This step is done to prevent being caught red-handed in audits and is skipped by less "scrpulous" clients).

    The third element in tenders is Q&A sessions like pre-bid, written Q&A, post-bid presentations etc. Answers are usually silly: e.g. please see section 4.6.12 (not relevant to the queestion) of the document and annexure D (false info).

    The final element is the comedy of "comparative statements". The various vendors are "compared" on technical aspects, especially the PQ. The pre-selected vendor emerges at the top after "careful scrutiny & analysis". All bids except two or three (the others being dummies selected by the fixer and quoting high deliberately) are rejected. The financial stage becomes a formality: award & advance follow automatically.

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  73. @SLB,

    //BTW, this will not be 45mins each 2 halves football game.... This is elevated to the war of attrition....//

    Cool it fan boy/girl....

    If you have nothing to lose,like you mentioned earlier,why are you bothered....

    //The game is being played in challenger's home ground not defender's. Honestly, SAs have nothing to lose anymore nor they will lose anymore.//
    //Will challengers end up proving the items in unpublished eighth chapter and make the HC judge a ...?//

    This is where fan boy/girl loses his/her temper and behaves like an authority,bigger than a High Court Judge...
    If an authority of that stature,could not control his temper,after reading the contents,do you expect that from youngsters???

    Seriously...I am having doubts about your mental and emotional semblance now...

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  74. Anonymous said...

    >> Any use unwarranted force to supress freedom guaranteed by constitution is condemnable.

    So let us see you fighting against the attacks I mentioned. Narayan's attackers should be put behind bars *after* justice is given to other cases.

    >> All the names you call JP would have been the corresponding antonyms had he openly supported Telagana formation

    OK, please ask me again after he supports Telangana formation. I will reiterate my opinion about him in the same unequivocal terms.

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  75. Narayan rose to power by cozying up to NTR. See page 135 of Daggubati's book to find how this guy (a serving Govt. officer) interfered in the politics between empty dramarao & nakka andhrababu.

    Anyway, this is my lastt comment on this guy.

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  76. @Lavanya
    >> They already waited through two election cycles,and asking them to repeat the same for another term is not just being insincere,it is inhuman as well....

    What I meant: If people of Kukatpally (JP's constituency) have a problem with his policies/remarks, they can vote him out in next elections.

    No one has a right to assault him (including direct voters who elected him). Period.

    >> I suggest you go through all other democratically available channels,before attempting that....

    My personal preference: If everything I can do democratically fails, I still keep trying democratically.

    That's what I think Gandhi exemplified - Even if we didn't get freedom in 1947 or even by 2011, I don't think he would have resorted to violent means, nor advocated violent means to anyone.

    From what I understood from his philosophy - Keep appealing to the humanity in the enemies, one day they will realize it. Even if it fails, you'll have the moral high-ground and feel satisfied with how you've conducted yourself when you die.

    But of course, not everyone subscribes to his philosophy.

    That's the last bit from my side on this blog.

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  77. @tintin,

    SLB can neither preach nor practice...

    He "advices" people to not educate women,he "advices" women not to have kids if they have a political opinion,he "advices" people that students should maintain peace and sanity,when they being beaten up and left to bleed....

    He spends hours on the blog,spreading all his filmi gnyan,while his/her husband/wife has a hard time with the kids...

    So much for preaching and practising theories....

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  78. Om Shanti:

    From what I understood from his philosophy - Keep appealing to the humanity in the enemies, one day they will realize it. Even if it fails, you'll have the moral high-ground and feel satisfied with how you've conducted yourself when you die.

    ‘Keep appealing to the humanity in the enemies’ would not have worked for Jews against Nazis. I am not sure if a dying Jew in the concentration camps ‘felt satisfied’ with his moral high-ground against his Nazi officer. If nobody defeated Nazis through arms and ammunition, Jews in Europe would have been completely exterminated.

    If Jews were left on their own to ‘appeal to humanity’ of Nazis, then there wouldn’t have been a single Jew alive in Europe. They would have gone extinct. If attaining morally high-ground is more important than survival, Dodo birds, and extinct species must be most satisfied. Some of us would like to get that satisfaction being alive.

    On a broader note:

    I admire Gandhi, but I am no Gandhi. I shouldn’t be a Gandhi as Telangana because my adversary is not a gentleman like British.

    Gandhi’s method worked only because the adversary was a gentleman in British. If it was Nazis ruling Indians or Japanese ruling Indians, Gandhi’s methods wouldn’t have worked. Therefore, it is important to understand that Gandhi became a great man only because he had a great adversary in British.

    The methods you use to fight your adversary depend on the adversary you have. With Nazis it had to be bombardment and with British it could have been satyagraha.

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  79. Lesson learnt.
    Thanks!

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  80. Madamjee,

    you really caught me on wrong foot. :-)

    Somehow I could not resist advising you. I believe 'a good mother produces not just children but good citizens'. Of course converse need not be true. :-)

    వేదాంతికి పిచ్చివాడికి పెద్ద తేడా ఉండదు అంటారు పెద్దలు.

    But you make my time rather funny on this blog.

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  81. [If an authority of that stature,could not control his temper,after reading the contents,do you expect that from youngsters???]

    I felt the same about Justice Sri Krishna . But you people think otherwise.

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  82. Madamjee,

    you still owe me couple of answers.

    1. Sarakka vs salaralamma
    2. Saving kids vs feeding kids with eggs.

    Hope it demonstrates my sanity and sembalance :-)

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  83. @Sujai,

    I couldn't resist writing this one comment.

    I agree with your remark about Satyagraha not working in cases of Nazis vs Jews, Japanese vs Chinese.

    But do you really feel the case of People of Telangana vs AP State/Govt of India falls in the same category? I don't agree.

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  84. Omshanthi,

    //If people of Kukatpally (JP's constituency) have a problem with his policies/remarks, they can vote him out in next elections.//

    On the contrary he has spoken only for the welfare of his constituency against the general good of the people,he will never lose his seat for a long time,since he would enjoy their support over and over again...

    A similar case is of the success the MIM enjoys in the old city,though they haven't been able to do much for the people there in terms of development....

    //No one has a right to assault him (including direct voters who elected him). Period.//

    I totally,agree....
    The Centre is playing with fire by stoking the emotions of the people...One good move will spare us all from this confusion....

    Introducing the bill,and letting things take it's course...

    //If everything I can do democratically fails, I still keep trying democratically.//

    Not correct,it sounds childish on the other hand,to keep trying the same medicine even if it doesn't suit your system...

    //That's what I think Gandhi exemplified - Even if we didn't get freedom in 1947 or even by 2011, I don't think he would have resorted to violent means, nor advocated violent means to anyone.
    From what I understood from his philosophy - Keep appealing to the humanity in the enemies, one day they will realize it. Even if it fails, you'll have the moral high-ground and feel satisfied with how you've conducted yourself when you die.//

    I don't know how old you are...but let me tell you that,in this age of internet exposure and technology that is not possible on a large canvas....

    It might give a lot of personal satisfaction by employing the theory of ahimsa,but relying only on it will not yield results...

    The people here have still been showing exemplary patience and perseverance,compared to Egypt and Tunisia,but,not everyone can be forced to advocate the principles of ahimsa,today....

    I would fear the day,that patience dries up,and it is replaced with anger and frustration amongst the citizens of both sides....

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  85. SLB,

    //But you make my time rather funny on this blog.//

    You have been keeping us amused,with all your funny quotes aswell...
    Must appreciate your perseverance in doing it,inspite of a clear diversion from the audience's taste...

    You do bring out the worst in me...

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  86. Omshanti,

    //But do you really feel the case of People of Telangana vs AP State/Govt of India falls in the same category? I don't agree.//

    Why do you think,that this case is between the people of Telangana vs State govt of A.P/India??????

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  87. //But do you really feel the case of People of Telangana vs AP State/Govt of India falls in the same category?//

    Why are the people of Telangana portrayed as fighting against their own state and central governments???

    Is it a fight amongst equals,if it is???

    Why do you demarcate the people of an entire region with such comments???

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  88. Omshanthi,

    You have brought out a clear view as to how things are shown and misinterpreted by a fence sitter,or for someone watching from the outside....

    Infact,another point here would be,while the people of Telangana and all our representations to the govt are done from our pockets,the GoAP and GoI are doing that with our own tax money...put up a case against us with our money...

    Even this opportunity is being provided to the SA's free of cost for them....They do not get to pay for the case and still enjoy it's benefits....

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  89. @ SLB :

    వేదాంతికి పిచ్చివాడికి పెద్ద తేడా ఉండదు అంటారు
    పెద్దలు.


    You still aren't preaching us.Right ?

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  90. OmShanthi:

    But do you really feel the case of People of Telangana vs AP State/Govt of India falls in the same category? I don't agree.

    I don’t think AP State/Seemandhras are Nazis or Japanese. At the same time I don’t think they are as gentlemanly as British. So if British are given a grade of 0.2 on a scale of 1 in being ruthless, and if Nazis are 1, and if Japanese get 0.9, then Seemandhras would be somewhere around 0.4. That means I consider them worse off than the British when it comes to empathy with the people they rule. (And I would give French in IndoChina 0.5)

    British people (maybe not the rulers) gave respect to leaders like Gandhi and empathized with their cause. Seemandhras do not even admit they discriminated Telanganas, and when Telangana students protest, they give calls to shoot them like birds. Seemandhras have carried out deliberate and protracted discrimination against Telanganas and treated it as an internal colony for nearly 54 years without remorse. They do not apologize nor admit their mistakes.

    And even when entire Telangana is up against their rule in unison, Seemandhras do not want to quit ruling Telanganas unlike British who let go of India with grace in the end. They want to hold onto Telangana no matter what, more like the French who did not let go off IndoChina. They had to be kicked out with a bloody nose in the end.

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  91. @Sujai,

    Even learned opinions from other Telangana Judges,lawyers,engineers and professors is made to look shady to the common man of India...

    This is worser than British or French rule...

    Omshanti,has only brought out the view,a doctored report like SKC has been able to drive into the psyche of the people,making it an even more dangerous precedent...

    I wonder what Chapter 8 is going to bring in,after L.Narsimha's reaction....

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  92. You still aren't preaching us.Right ?
    tintin,

    hmmm...
    Is quoting an adage also preaching?

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  93. You have been keeping us amused,with all your funny quotes aswell...
    Must appreciate your perseverance in doing it,inspite of a clear diversion from the audience's taste...


    I am ready to take up 'jester' at HER HIQness' court. :-)

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  94. Quote:
    "
    4. common people like common voters and to the ppl us (most) dont vote but still have concern about the development of state should call this a black day and should vote to NONE of the above or support ppl like JP. Should not give a chance to ppl like KTR and should make him not eligible for mla/minister posts."

    Looks like you are in a dream world, people had rejected TRS continuesly so far till last election, IMO ...T people started realizing that TRS is the right party for them.

    And about JP, his party too rejected by the people. Dont make him a hero just because he was beaten by TRS.

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  95. Quote:
    "
    I had respect for KTR before but not anymore. What a lousy peace of crap he is."

    I too feel the same. Jai Telangana.

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  96. Omshanti,has only brought out the view,a doctored report like SKC has been able to drive into the psyche of the people,making it an even more dangerous precedent...


    Madamjee,
    (I am certain you did not read what I said about Iraq war couple of weeks ago).
    One million people were killed in undesired war by two of G8 nations colluding by ceating a villian.
    Hope you saw today's news on onetime Saddam's ally.
    He defected from Saddam and helped America in faking WMD threat.

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  97. Quote:
    "
    Excellent demonstartion of non-violent non-cooperation movement.
    The height of non-violence neither Mahatma Gandhi nor Buddha reached in entire life that T movement achieved on day 1 itself..
    "

    If you mean the complements... Thank you.

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  98. Quote:
    "
    Where were you when the goondas of the andh(r)a govt. unleashed a vicious pogram on our students, not even sparing women & the press, not even allowing food & ambulance to enter?"

    Jai, looks like you didn't understand the (Andhra) constitution correctly. Let me explain.

    1. If a pro-T guy is beaten up(or even killed) any where then it is like nothing happened.

    2. If a anti-T guy is beaten up then it is equal to killing the democracy/constitution.

    Hope you understand the real meaning of (Seemandra) Constitution. Let me know if you have any other questions, I am(or SLB) glad to explain you well.

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  99. Quote:
    "
    'చెప్పేవి శ్రీరంగనీతులు...'. I definitly enjoying poking this kind of people."

    Well, you need to start this from Seemandra who got there own state by dividing one and now they say the same act is anti-national. 'చెప్పేవి శ్రీరంగనీతులు...'. I will be waiting for you when you are done with them...

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  100. Quote:
    "
    //Why do we need to put pressure on the center? If center, ever, introduces the bill, it will be defeated.//

    Welcome to the party....
    "

    Hilarious starting.... I wish I see this guys cheeks turning red after reading Lavanya's reply.

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  101. "//Why do we need to put pressure on the center? If center, ever, introduces the bill, it will be defeated.//

    Welcome to the party...."

    Hilarious starting.... I wish I see this guys cheeks turning red after reading Lavanya's reply.


    This guy looks he is courting her.

    I wish I see this guys turning pink having stated that.

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  102. Let people be granted what they wish for. They just want a separate state. Let them rule themselves. Let there be more diversity in this country. Let Telangana people prosper, let them create their own destiny. Let Telangana dialect of Telugu be given due respect by all the people of this country and especially Andhras because its your own language after all. Enccourage Andhra people to learn about Telangana poets, Telangana heroes. Let there be MORE oppurtunities for those who are at a disadvantage. Andhras, seriously, you owe love to Telanganas. Integrate by heart and not by force. Then, I see all this hatred converting to Love. Telanganas would then say, we are proud of our Andhra brothers.

    ...but I feel its stretching things too far... an ideal world :( Real life is not so easy..or is it?

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  103. hyderabadi biryaniFebruary 18, 2011 10:58 PM

    Let people be granted what they wish for. They just want a separate state. Let them rule themselves. Let there be more diversity in this country. Let Telangana people prosper, let them create their own destiny. Let Telangana dialect of Telugu be given due respect by all the people of this country and especially Andhras because its your own language after all. Enccourage Andhra people to learn about Telangana poets, Telangana heroes. Let there be MORE oppurtunities for those who are at a disadvantage. Andhras, seriously, you owe love to Telanganas. Integrate by heart and not by force. Then, I see all this hatred converting to Love. Telanganas would then say, we are proud of our Andhra brothers.

    Well said. Let them say they same thing of Hyderabad and Hyderabadis. Let them form their own state.

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  104. hyderabadi biryaniFebruary 18, 2011 11:07 PM

    The Hyderabad state was itself landlocked by British territory. So there is no problem if Hyderabad is land locked within Telangana territory.

    Like the Birtish Givt took care at that point, now the Indian govt will take care.

    What difference is it?

    I hear stupid arguments. Khuda Hafiz kuch brains thinking they should have.

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  105. [Well said. Let them say they same thing of Hyderabad and Hyderabadis. Let them form their own state.]

    Nay...
    All Telanganas except Hyderabadis know that there is no such wish of separate Hyderabad state by Hyderabadis. :-)

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  106. Well said. Let them say they same thing of Hyderabad and Hyderabadis. Let them form their own state.
    Hyderabad is all they have to support them now. To take away Hyd from them at this point is injustice. I am sure they would be happy to help you maintain your Hyderabadi identity in their state. Let them grow on their own. Let them develop their other cities. And I am sure when they are really happy and satisfied, they would let you have your own state. The more the diversity the better. India does not deserve this hatred. Lets promote Love and diversity. Lets promote growth of other places in India. Andhra can have one more capital city. Let there be more cities like Hyderabad in India. Telangana can promote their other cities. Let there be unity by choice but not by force.

    I feel formation of Telangana is good for the country and Indian unity. But again, it should happen without animosity. Love is the way forward.

    I am not trying to preach or something but speaking myself out.

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  107. hyderabadi biryaniFebruary 18, 2011 11:24 PM

    Hyderabad is all they have to support them now. To take away Hyd from them at this point is injustice.

    Nonsense. This all agitation is built to just take away that,

    To give them that is INJUSTICE.

    They are trying to fleece and suck all other people's blood by getting hyderbad.

    My point is let no one do that. Let it be a UT or a separate state.

    Unless and until of course you want to support leeches and leechers.

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  108. Sera is back as "hyderabadi biryani"

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  109. and in some places downright supercilious when it calls entire people of Telangana lazy and subservient.

    Sujai,
    Could you please provide one such occurance verbatim? I tried to look in the pdf but my acrobat search is screwed up. I don't think SKC would have called people lazy, but it might have said - "they are CONSIDERED lazy..." There's a difference. This is not to exonerate the report of it's biased color....

    Thanks,
    Raghu.

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  110. hyderabadi biryaniFebruary 19, 2011 12:06 AM

    Sera is back???

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  111. hyderabadi biryaniFebruary 19, 2011 12:14 AM

    ***Sera is back as "hyderabadi biryani"***

    What is this Sera and what is it???

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  112. @Green_star:

    "1. If a pro-T guy is beaten up(or even killed) any where then it is like nothing happened."

    U guys seem to care abt T students only for ur separate state demands. Why is KTR or Sujai not in front of the agitation facing police bullets? u guys will do everything except facing the police and send gullible innocent students to face police to make ur political careers. Why are T students not getting beaten now? If u break law or destroy peace, govt will take action.

    "2. If a anti-T guy is beaten up then it is equal to killing the democracy/constitution."

    It was u guys who said ur movement is peaceful and u attack a governor and MLA for not speaking what u wanted to hear. Yes, attacking public representatives is undemocratic and if allowed, the parties will be sending goondas to Assembly. Is that what u want to have in ur state?

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  113. @Sujai,

    Telangana people are often considered subservient and lazy and they feel that coastal Andhra people exercise a “veiled contempt” towards them.

    I think this is one such sentence which I picked up from http://theargumentativeindian.blogspot.com/2011/01/skc-scandal-2-skc-thinks-telanganites.html

    and I feel when they say Telangana people are considered lazy etc..they probably would have meant - T people are considered lazy by Andhras (Although it would be a costly miss for a man like SKC, he could have done a much better job revewing the report - apart from doing othe due diligences)....

    But to say the report says telangana people lazy is, I feel not appropriate.

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  114. Harish rao and other Taliban rashtra samiti thugs description of the incidents yesterday:

    "addukovatam jarigindi", "nirasana telipamu"...

    If separate T state comes, is this how they r going to treat governor, opposition party MLAs, MLCs and common man. Non-T locals of Hyd, including North Indians fear this environment. Advani conveyed the same to these thugs when they met him yesterday.

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  115. @Arvind,


    MLA's of TRS and TDP were equally responsible for the chaos.Why should you highlight the representatives of only one party,instead of their ideology....

    Are all the representatives of Telangana,thugs and crooks,irrespective of the parties that they represent???

    Maybe you should just stick to spreading false rumours about Telangana,and stop sounding sincere....

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  116. when I search for "subservient and lazy" on Google India, the first three results are on Telangana.......

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  117. when I search for "subservient and lazy" on Google India, the first three results are on Telangana.......

    to add to this..the links from Argumentative Indian, SimplyTelangana et al.

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  118. Telangana talli muddubidda Vanam Jhansi died today in road accident...

    Rani rudrama vale samaikyandhra vadulni cheelchi chendadina maa akka ika ledu..
    Nuvu maa gundello unnavu akkaa..

    Vanam Jhansi Amar rahe..

    Johar Telangana veera vanitha Vanam Jhansi Johar Johar..

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  119. Infact, most of the Telanganas are lazy. Ofcourse this would create angry to them, but is is fact. I am from Rayalaseema region and seeing this state progress from past 35 years. I CAN PROUDLY SAY THAT ONLY DARING CMs ARE FROM RAYALASEEMA. They only took smart decisions and became the part of Hyderabad's development.

    THERE IS NO RESEMBLENCE OF CURRENT HYDERABAD AND 30 YEARS BACK HYDERABAD. The current development is mostly because of seema people.

    ALSO, I AGREE FOR BIFURCATION. why should all our people invest and develop some others land. Instead, we can develop our own land. It is fact that, if bifurcation of AP is done, in the next 20-30 years, the Rayalaseema will become another Gujarat and atleast our children will be happy and I don't want to comment about other states.

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  120. Fresh violence at Osmania University campus

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Fresh-violence-at-Osmania-University-campus/articleshow/7527655.cms

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  121. @SLB

    hy·poc·ri·sy Spelled[hi-pok-ruh-see]
    1.
    a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
    2.
    a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
    3.
    an act or instance of hypocrisy.
    .
    .
    .
    4. SLB supporting a united cause towards AP/India but mentions FBI and MI to conduct an inquiry.


    Vaah re vaaah kya patriotism hai.

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  122. @Anonymous

    That's because the phrase "subservient and lazy" was used by the SKC which has been quoted across biased sites. You don't need an advanced degree to understand that.

    For ex
    Just imagine an article is written about you (whatever your real name is) that has a phrase like "unable to think outside the box" or "intellectual capacity of a primate", and this article is quoted across multiple sites with those exact phrases. Voila! the top 3 results in google for those phrases would be on whatever your real name is.

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  123. SLB supporting a united cause towards AP/India but mentions FBI and MI to conduct an inquiry.

    తెలుగు సామెత: అన్నప్రాసననాడే ఆవకాయ?

    Do not jump to conclusions by seeing one line comment. Again did not understand joke. Must be Newbie to blogging? Missed simley.
    :-)

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  124. Gujarath Develops 20% of the Indias Industrial output , its GDP is growing by 11% each year, But still it Has higher Mal nutrition rates than UP which is one of the worst performing states in socio-economic indices , and Gujarath is Light years away from Kerala when it comes to Social welfare, like maternal or child mortality rates, Kerala should be model for India not Gujarath which is a live example of Unsustainable development that only Increases inequalities and Degrades environment.

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  125. Just read some tweets by JP, you will understand why this arsehole got beat up

    http://twitter.com/JP_LOKSATTA

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  126. @wiki,

    Not sure what you were trying to highlight in the tweets but..

    "Cairo and Tahrir Square are on everyone's lips today. People Power always triumphs. Third wave of democratisation after 1945 has begun."

    This is what JP thinks. So if that's the case why does he refuse to acknowledge the TG movement had similar roots. Why doesn't he realize that people are sick of this biased administration. Isn't this hypocrisy?

    On a side note, there are a few reports surfacing that the guv/police having a possible connection to the violence in OU on Friday.

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  127. @wiki


    Just read some tweets by JP, you will understand why this arsehole got beat up

    I didn't see anything particularly against TG. Which ones are you talking about? Some of you guys on this blog have supported using violence against people who speak against formation of TG. Some of you have even said the driver who assaulted JP is a hero. Remember, if you use violence you will get back the same. So the next time police and paramilitary beat the crap out of these violent mobs, keep your *** shut because they are perfectly justified in doing it. They will show you the real taste of violence. When that happens don't say this is not democratic blah blah blah. You are getting what you really DESERVE.

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  128. @peacelover

    Where were you when the police went about whacking people at will in OU in 2009? Where were you when police force was used to quell peaceful demonstrations?

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  129. @Anonymous

    Where were you when the police went about whacking people at will in OU in 2009? Where were you when police force was used to quell peaceful demonstrations?

    I don't think the police used force on peaceful demonstrations. Turn on Raj TV, you will see protests going on all the time. Do you see cops going around hitting people? Media has become very powerful now. Even if cops use mild force they report it immediately. What happended in OU was different. Many buses were burnt, cops and journalists were injured by agitators pelting stones so they had to use mild force to contain the violence.
    There might be one or two incidents where the cops might have gone overboard but no one is supporting them. Again, we should use media to highlight things like this.

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  130. @peacelover

    Looks like you are living in a different world altogether. Because the media covered the police brutality(journalists too were caned by the police) then, they were banned out of the campus when the SKC report was made public. Don't give me the nonsense that agitators were violent. Why was the Egypt revolution successful? Because the army chose not to take sides and let the people protest! The AP police has just been behaving like british police during the General Dyer days where even a small congregation called for bullets and lathis. And then they call it a democracy.

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  131. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/DGP-asked-to-keep-T-stir-under-check/articleshow/7530653.cms


    What now? Are they going to throw everyone participating in a peaceful non coop movement in jail?

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  132. Where were you when the police went about whacking people at will in OU in 2009? Where were you when police force was used to quell peaceful demonstrations?

    Whether demonstrations peaceful or not, police action was there.

    Do you justify beating up JP in revenge for OU police actions?
    Then it will not stop here.

    BTW, I am sure you all saw RajNews.
    Madamjee you in particular. :-) They have presented tit-for-tat with excellent clippings from Sr. NTR's DVS Karna and a song from his political classic 'desoddarakulu'.

    I pray they also watch and play scene of Karna's death from same movie.

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  133. //Whether demonstrations peaceful or not, police action was there.//

    The last time that happened in India was during the British rule...I thought we were a part of a free India,today!!!!

    //Do you justify beating up JP in revenge for OU police actions?
    Then it will not stop here.//

    Why should you compare two definite,and separate incidents???

    If the people or the police had beaten up the students of other regions,in retaliation to the police actions in OU,then,it would have been an act of revenge....

    And,revenge for what,and on whom???

    Are you suffering from psychological delusions???

    If revenge was any criteria for the Telangana agitation,we would have been celebrating four decades of self rule,since 1969....

    //BTW, I am sure you all saw RajNews.
    Madamjee you in particular. :-) They have presented tit-for-tat with excellent clippings from Sr. NTR's DVS Karna and a song from his political classic 'desoddarakulu'.
    I pray they also watch and play scene of Karna's death from same movie.//


    SLB,kindly stick to the topic of discussion....I do not understand your filmi comments,ending with a smiley....

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  134. //BTW, I am sure you all saw RajNews.
    Madamjee you in particular. :-) They have presented tit-for-tat with excellent clippings from Sr. NTR's DVS Karna and a song from his political classic 'desoddarakulu'.
    I pray they also watch and play scene of Karna's death from same movie.//

    Looks like Raj news is all you will get to watch,for the next 48 hours...

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  135. Looks like Raj news is all you will get to watch,for the next 48 hours...

    I am desperately waiting for this step by T MSOs.

    Which matters more, Telangana or "Saas bahu beti".

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  136. Why should you compare two definite,and separate incidents???
    Madamjee,
    you are definitely not in this world. The least not in this blog. My question was counter to the question raised by "anonymous". Of course you have right to reply but not question further.

    You confirm my thinking that many T-vaadis cry foul about something that even did not happen.

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  137. SLB,kindly stick to the topic of discussion....I do not understand your filmi comments,ending with a smiley....

    Well! sometime filmi gyan also useful.... So, RajNews proves it.

    I am sure RajNews will repeat the same telecast until next major incident happens. So you will have ample opportunity to see it again (in next 48 hours:-)).
    Of course no great gyan is required to understand this.

    If you can't wait check this
    http://www.youtube.com/
    watch?v=vAucTv7RDIw&feature=fvsr

    DVS Karna

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  138. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/DGP-asked-to-keep-T-stir-under-check/articleshow/7530653.cms


    HYDERABAD: Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy on Saturday directed DGP K Aravinda Rao to prepare a plan of action to defuse the non-cooperation agitation taken up by Telangana JAC and TRS activists in the region.

    The DGP, who met Kiran Kumar for a briefing, was instructed to come out with an action plan to counter the agitation as it was affecting revenue collections.

    Intelligence department officials have been asked to step up vigil and prepare detailed reports of those leading the agitation. The chief minister observed that since the unions have stepped up the heat, there is every need to increase pressure on them.

    In the meeting, it was decided to rope in the Telangana ministers to prevail on the people of the region to call off their movement.

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  139. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/DGP-asked-to-keep-T-stir-under-check/articleshow/7530653.cms


    HYDERABAD: With nearly 10,000 employees of Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation (GHMC) participating in the non-cooperation movement, civic services have been paralysed for the past three days and the civic body suffered revenue loss to the tune of near Rs 10 crore.

    The staff in all 18 municipal circles and five zonal offices have been boycotting their duties as part of the non-cooperation movement demanding introduction of the Telangana bill in Parliament.

    About 8,000 permanent employees and 2,000 contract employees have been participating in the movement. With this, all wings of the corporation were forced to close down.

    The GHMC officials, who are on duty, have not been attending for grievances from public during visiting hours.

    Since February and March are crucial months for collection of taxes, the GHMC gets Rs 2-2.5 crore daily as property tax. Similarly, Rs 1-2 lakh trade licences fee and Rs 2-5 crore building fees and the rest from other charges like mutation fee.

    "GHMC is now getting about Rs 20 lakh revenue, mainly from eSeva centres that collect property tax," a GHMC official said.

    Officials are worried over the Joint Action Committee threatening to extend the non-cooperation movement to emergency services from February 23. As of now, sanitation and health wing workers have been exempted from the protest.

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  140. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/No-film-screening-on-Feb-22-23-/articleshow/7530642.cms#ixzz1EUnaduKi

    HYDERABAD: All theatres in the Telangana region, including Hyderabad will not screen films for two days on February 22 and 23 in response to the `sahaya nirakarana' (non-cooperation) call given by the Telangana Joint Action Committee (JAC).

    In addition, there will be no shootings on these two days and all studios, laboratories and distribution officers will participate in the bandh.

    The multiplexes in the city will also not screen movies.

    The Telangana Film Chamber of Commerce president M Vijayender Reddy said that more than 450 theatres in Telangana region have stopped paying the weekly entertainment tax to the state government. At least Rs one crore should have gone into the government coffers on Friday but this was not deposited. This will continue for another week.

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  141. SLB said...

    //Do you justify beating up JP in revenge for OU police actions?
    Then it will not stop here.//

    I said...

    Why should you compare two definite,and separate incidents???

    SLB said...

    //you are definitely not in this world. The least not in this blog. My question was counter to the question raised by "anonymous". Of course you have right to reply but not question further.

    You confirm my thinking that many T-vaadis cry foul about something that even did not happen.//

    I replied...

    Why should one compare the attack on JP as a retaliation or revenge for the police action in OU????

    How are these two incidents related????

    Unless ofcourse,one plans to sow the seed of REVENGE here...why should some one marry two definitely unrelated incidents here...

    Now,this kind of a disorder is what we call delusional victim hood...

    If it had been about taking revenge,I repeat,Telangana would have been celebrating 4 decades of self rule,instead of still asking for its own state...

    People like SLB argue like grown up adolescents who do not understand the impact this kind of scaremongering can create in the minds of citizens....

    The T movement is choosing mostly non violent methods like non cooperation to influence the government....The violence would come down drastically,not suddenly....and it will...

    I would be worried if they stopped suddenly,for the fear of being master minded,by a single group of leaders....

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  142. @Peacelover,

    //I didn't see anything particularly against TG.Some of you guys on this blog have supported using violence against people who speak against formation of TG. Some of you have even said the driver who assaulted JP is a hero.//

    //Remember, if you use violence you will get back the same. So the next time police and paramilitary beat the crap out of these violent mobs, keep your *** shut because they are perfectly justified in doing it. They will show you the real taste of violence. When that happens don't say this is not democratic blah blah blah. You are getting what you really DESERVE.//

    Bro,if you are from Hyderabad or it's surrounding areas,I would like you to inform us about incidents,when the students beat up the citizens in retaliation of the brutal police attacks on them,in OU.(I have lost track of the number of times they have done that...)

    I would be waiting for your reply...

    If you don't find many incidents of personal vendetta,then I suggest you see a certified psychiatrist for your delusions,ASAP....

    The citizens of Hyderabad,since you haven't noticed are NOT getting attacked....
    You may report any attacks to the nearest police station,since they are so eager to arrest the Telangana supporters anyway....

    So much for a name like yours!!!!

    Get well soon...

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  143. @SLB
    "Whether demonstrations peaceful or not, police action was there.

    Do you justify beating up JP in revenge for OU police actions?
    Then it will not stop here."

    Mark my words and mark them well...the only thing a majority of people on here have in common with TRS hooligans is a dream of separate Telangana. I never endorsed what happened in the assembly. In fact I do not endorse the idea of uneducated brutes becoming public representatives. My question is where were all you clamoring now when innocent people were killed/injured because of police brutality in OU. If you have not spoken out then you have no right to whine now!

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  144. [Mark my words and mark them well...the only thing a majority of people on here have in common with TRS hooligans is a dream of separate Telangana. I never endorsed what happened in the assembly. ....]

    "Disowning TRS" is not new to me or most visitors of this blog.
    Regardless your person views and endorsements, the fact remains that YOU brought out OU incidents in the context of JP incidents. Do they have something in common?
    No? Then it will be meaningless digressions.
    Yes? You have to explain the commonality.

    Will you answer if I say mark words of JP and mark them well that he never talked against T formation nor he opposed T movement. But he only questioned methods of TRS?

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  145. How are these two incidents related????
    Madamjee,
    sorry for telling you as if you are a student.

    I was questioning "anonymous" exactly the same. He/she brought out OU incident in response to a comment on assembly and JP incidents.
    I am asking him by linking these two he/she indicating a revenge?

    BTW, Jai can help you fix an appointment with Dr. Nigam. :-)

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  146. Did Sujai write any article on Raj news. Would be interested to see his views - whether he thinks it half-artificial since all they do is change a few propositions at the end of the artificial telugu.

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  147. Did Sujai write any article on Raj news. Would be interested to see his views....
    He will never do such mistake. If you watch RajNews for 4-5 days you will find half of Suaji's articles there.

    BTW, some MBNR residents make mockery of inflections spoken by RajNews readers.

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  148. SLB,

    //I was questioning "anonymous" exactly the same.//

    No Sir,you were not.....

    What you meant to INDICATE was,(or at least,that is how it appeared)if he supported the attack on JP as a form of REVENGE,for the police action in OU....

    Sir,you might be a master of cover ups in your speech,but,when what you type gets printed here,you cannot take it back.....

    You clearly indicated through your words that meant REVENGE,while anonymous commenter,asked why, people like you keep quiet when students,lawyers,media personnel,women et all are being brutally beaten up,in the name of police retaliation...


    //He/she brought out OU incident in response to a comment on assembly and JP incidents.
    I am asking him by linking these two he/she indicating a revenge?//

    Got you....

    Why should you indicate REVENGE???

    What are you proposing by using such strong words,in all your comments???

    We are asking you,why you haven't spoken for all those people who have been committing hunger suicides,people being beaten up black and blue,women being dragged out by their hair and kicked in the bellies,lawyers being beaten up for commenting on CBN,students being shot at and jailed....

    Where was democracy hiding then????

    You come here and talk of upholding democratic values when a two tongued politician like JP gets hauled....Where was that social consciousness when it was being abused???

    You know what,enough of this nonsense....Hence forth,I shall abstain from responding to any of your double talk....

    Get well soon.

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  149. Madamjee,

    even if you write another 10 comments each with 10 paragraphs, you cannot change the meaning of what I asked. Period.

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  150. Essence of this blog:

    Select case (sentiment)

    case "pro-telangana":
    msgbox("Appreciate,support irrespective of the methods suggested or bull shit uttered")

    case "anti-telangana":
    msgbox("Give them a dose of (very few)logical and (a lot of)illogical arguments, repeat this till the other guy agrees with you,if not you beat him up")

    case default:
    msgbox("We are suffering, even though we hold so many jobs in hyderabad, that a strike by us cripples the entire city, we still blabber that there are too many people from outside who are taking away our jobs.We don't have jobs, we are suffering, we are being suppressed, we want more jobs so that when we wish we can screw the city whenever we wish, we can do whatever bullshit we want like:burn buses,beat up MLAs,beat up cops,collect hafta's, scare the shit out of people from other parts of the state or country")


    Now ready for some verbal volleys:
    as long as they are in coding format (since most of us are software programmers)

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  151. @SLB
    "Regardless your person views and endorsements, the fact remains that YOU brought out OU incidents ..."

    Ok looks like you have trouble relating things.
    JP's incident = death of democracy
    OU incident = ???????

    I have nothing against JP. In fact I admire the man for taking a stand in the political realm which reeks of corruption.

    My question was simple - where were you when democracy died in OU?

    If you can't answer that then I guess there is no point prolonging this discussion.

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  152. @ SLB :

    http://twitter.com/JP_LOKSATTA

    These are the reasons why you get such a treatment.Being a bureaucrat is just not enough.You should have sense of responsibility also.You should know when to speak and what to speak depending on the situation.You can't hide behind the word constitution and keep making provocative statements the way you want.

    Always remember that system is for ppl but ppl are not for the system.The concepts of "system" and "God" have value only as long as there are ppl who believe in them.The moment they decide to deny them both of them don't exist.So,please stop giving an impression that only you ppl are worried about the peace in the state and constitution and T ppl are not.

    Instead of wasting your energy here try educating the self-claimed intellectual JP to shut his mouth at least after what happened in Assembly.Tell him that even govt is acting against T ppl and even that needs a mention.

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  153. @tintin

    It's becoming more obvious he(JP) has a vote bank to appease(KP). He really needs to some introspection.

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  154. My question was simple - where were you when democracy died in OU?

    This is what I understand as digression.
    Where were we all when humanity died at Tinnaman Square under Chinese tanks? Still in mothers' wombs?
    Where were our great ancestors (including Teligas or Andhras) when 2 lakh people killed in Kalinga war?

    Sounds crazy? Definitely!
    Everybody cannot mourn every death on earth. Many do not have enough bandwidth. Many others chose only important ones. Just take the case of Vanam Jhansi. Only one Naveen mourned her death here. Why fellow Telangana fighters Sujai, Lavanya and Greeni did not even condole hear death on this blog? Are they inhuman?
    I do not believe so. They must have felt sad about her death. But it is not necessary to write here.
    It is same with OU incidents vs JP incidents. You cannot set pre-conditions that you can mourn 'death of democracy' in one incident if have already mourned all previous deaths.

    If you do not intend that, one is allowed to interpret it as revenge.

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  155. Always remember that system is for ppl but ppl are not for the system.The concepts of "system" and "God" have value only as long as there are ppl who believe in them.
    I totally oppose this.
    Anything I write on this will certainly attract more criticism.

    To my knowledge so far there is no system (or god for that matter) evolved, even theoretically, that can offer both individual rights as well as collective justice. Individual atoms in a molecule lose 'absolute' identity.

    I strongly believe in
    "ధర్మో రక్షితి రక్షితః"

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  156. @ SLB :

    To my knowledge so far there is no system (or god for that matter) evolved, even theoretically, that can offer both individual rights as well as collective justice.

    Then what do you think democracy that we think India follows is ? Not offered individual Rights ?Here you are exercising your human right by expressing yourself without any restrictions.Aren't you ?

    Human rights are considered to be upheld by default after United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 though the case is not same with civil rights.Civil rights are rights that an individual enjoys by virtue of citizenship.

    Of course,i am not speaking about India where Pseudo Democracy is followed.I am not speaking about countries like China also where even human rights are not upheld.

    So,there are systems that are designed to safeguard ppl's rights.

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  157. tintin,

    more I write about it more pot shots I face (especially from our Madamjee).

    I say "India did a blunder in adapting democracy even before it understood what is means". Entire nation was made a political 'laboratory', unfortunately without even writing down the objectives.
    Of course there was alway one major objective "congress party enjoying power".

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  158. @ SLB :

    I say "India did a blunder in adapting democracy even before it understood what is means".

    I find Democracy better than other ideologies.Do you have a better solution ? Because you are talking keeping the kind of democracy we follow in India in mind,you might not like it.Democracy actually is better than what we see in India.

    Of course there was alway one major objective "congress party enjoying power".

    Along as history books don't teach the actual history of India,as long as Indian are not over the stupidity of chanting the mantra "Congress and Gandhi got us independence" ,as long as ppl don't understand that we were given independence and we didn't earn it,as long as ppl don't realize that Congress then worked for British and now working for Italy/Russia Sonia madam will continue to be our super PM and the situation remains the same.

    So,don't blame the system.Its the citizens who are to be blamed for not having guts to accept lots of truths.

    Anyways,lets not digress from the topic.If you have understood Democracy so much ,pls take some classes for your "ideal leader" JP and ask him to stop using the examples of Gandhi (hypocrite again) in the wrong contexts.

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  159. @ SLB :

    Something you and your "ideal leader" JP would not appreciate

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/hyderabad/ias-officer-joins-staff-rally-t-287

    Two more ex-IAS officers joined TRS.I am happy not because they joined TRS but because they are also supporting the cause.So,i guess we have not only JP who knows the definition of democracy but also a few more ppl in the entire state.isn't it ?

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  160. I liked this content/ article. I would certainly recommend the same to others as well. http://www.chennaiflowerplaza.com

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  161. A week ago, a TRS leader from RR dist, spelled out in clear terms what would happen in the assembly- tearing papers, pulling governor's mike, jumping on tables etc. (hitting JP was not pre-planned!!)
    You have to admire the TRS sheep that they followed their masters orders perfectly ....to the T.
    The TRS leaders showed a whole list of activities planned till the end of March. Some of these' events' are very interesting. Ond of these 'activities' is of beating up SA's sporadically across the city trying to make it appear as a spontaneous act!!!.

    I hope KTR and his men know the consequences of doing such things.

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  162. Something you and your "ideal leader" JP would not appreciate
    :-) :-)
    Desperate to expose me as JP fan boy/girl?
    I already told you 'budugu' dialog.
    I am here only to counter claims and arguments of T-vaadis. Of course not each and every, only meaningless and hate-mongering ones.

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  163. I hope KTR and his men know the consequences of doing such things.
    They know very well. Also their objective is very clear.
    Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.
    Hence.... more elections
    Hence.... more collections.

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  164. @tintin,

    JP visits a lot of IAS aspirants,to congratulate or console them,after the APPSC exam results are out....

    He visited someone I knew,to console her,since,she couldn't get through the said exams...

    She had been a topper in almost all the pre exams,and it came as a surprise to a lot of us,since she was really good at the subjects she lost out on....
    He even joked about Einstein losing out on the AIEEE exams in India...

    I found that funny,since the said examination papers,were supposedly available for a couple of lakh,and she even brought it to his notice,that average candidates who have bought them,did get through....

    Instead of fighting against the prejudices that existed in the examination and selection process,this guy asked her to keep attempting,which she did,only to lose again in the interview round,for complaining about it to higher authorities....

    There are several such stories,about the administration services,here...

    SLB and people like him are naive enough,not to understand selection processes employed by the APPSC,and talk of the principles of Dharma...

    Impractical,and hypocrites to the core....

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  165. Anyways,lets not digress from the topic.If you have understood Democracy so much

    No! I did not understand democracy nor any other "cracy". Nor I pretend that I understood.
    That is why I refrain from preaching.

    I believe that I can identify "wrong". Given a chance (I am lazy enough not to grab one) I talk against "wrong". I am ready to correct when I am "wrong" in identifying "wrong".

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  166. //Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.
    Hence.... more elections
    Hence.... more collections.//

    Yet another gem,from the genius.....

    Why would they look for collections from these people,when they can get to rule them....:-)

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  167. @ SLB

    Prevent Telangana formation. More the violence more the opposition hence No Telangana.

    Now i understand that Albert Einstein was right in saying
    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former."

    Do you think if Violence increases Telangana doesn't form ?There is no governance in the history that could survive the public revolt.So,sit back and see the fun that is yet to come.

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  168. //A week ago, a TRS leader from RR dist, spelled out in clear terms what would happen in the assembly- tearing papers, pulling governor's mike, jumping on tables etc.//

    //(hitting JP was not pre-planned!!)
    You have to admire the TRS sheep that they followed their masters orders perfectly ....to the T.
    The TRS leaders showed a whole list of activities planned till the end of March. Some of these' events' are very interesting. Ond of these 'activities' is of beating up SA's sporadically across the city trying to make it appear as a spontaneous act!!!.//

    Do you mind providing the links to your claims....Must agree,it would make for some interesting reading material!!!

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  169. SLB and people like him are naive enough,not to understand selection processes employed by the APPSC,and talk of the principles of Dharma...

    Impractical,and hypocrites to the core....

    Madamjee,
    you can go on blabbering whet ever you want.

    I am sure you know "glass half-full or half-empty perspective". Let me extend it a bit. I feel it helps understand anything better than by analogies or examples.

    Everyone has a "right" to ones perspective when glass is filled to half.
    But you cannot change 'common' perspective in other scenarios,
    "glass filled more than half" and "glass filled less than half".
    In former case one cannot say "This is less". In later case one cannot say "This is enough".
    Madam read again "common perspective". A person with taste for precision may interpret them differently.
    No! They are NOT ACCEPTABLE. There is need for debating anything in certain bounds.
    You cannot call somebody a sinner just because of a minor offensive.
    More importantly the converse if not acceptable.
    Like Sanjay Dutt pleading for pardon as he does "community services".


    The "common perspective" about Gandhi and Nehru in India is "respect" for getting freedom.
    But many political analysts think that they handled The Partition and Muslims very badly.
    This may diminish the "respect" by a bit but does not equate them with British.

    There are a few good morals told from life of Aurangazeb like individual austerity and religious nature.
    But that will not change "common perspective" that Aurangazeb was a bad-emperor.

    Do not comeback with what if "common perspective" itself is wrong about, say "earth is flat".
    I beleive it will be corrected at some point. Thanks to all those positive and slef-less thinkers of the human race.

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  170. Do you think if Violence increases Telangana doesn't form ?There is no governance in the history that could survive the public revolt.So,sit back and see the fun that is yet to come.
    I can write 10 page article on this.
    I suggest you to take the role of ring-side viewer and list down action-reaction sequence.

    Let me add couple of important points for your analysis.

    Center is a key player here. It has announced the 'best' needed by Telangana in a grand stand manner.
    They found it impractical to implement the same.
    It cannot repeat the same grand stand without consulting all stake holders.

    Only serious attacks will precipitate matters. Can these guys go to that extent?

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  171. Why would they look for collections from these people,when they can get to rule them....:-)
    Are they sure they can rule? :-)

    Do you mind providing the links to your claims....Must agree,it would make for some interesting reading material!!!
    What madamajee? You do not follow even basic happenings on ground and ask for proof.
    OK. I will give you a clipping from none other than RajNews. What you will do in return?

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  172. @ SLB :

    Center is a key player here. It has announced the 'best' needed by Telangana in a grand stand manner.
    They found it impractical to implement the same.


    Impractical to implement the same ?Do you live in a parallel universe ?India created 14 new states.How different is Telangana formation from all those 14 states ?


    It cannot repeat the same grand stand without consulting all stake holders.


    OMG !!! You sound like SA media.When all the parties are supporting T formation now,you still feel they are against it.
    All the parties in the assembly announced their support before Dec 9th also.Based on this only central govt announced T.There can be no consensus when the politicians are this cunning.

    Inspite of knowing all this why are you blindly pertinacious to ruminate the same thing time and again ?

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  173. Mr. Sujai,

    I don't understand the politics of the Telengana formation, but I sure am worried about the future of my kids. The schools are going to be closed in anticipation of bandhs in Hyderabad. I am afraid for my husband's and kids' lives. What if we were travelling by car/auto or bus and people felt like throwing stones at it or setting it on fire. What if there is no milk or food supply? It sure is scary. Do you believe that deaths of innocents or major inconveniences to innocent civilians is necessary for Telengana formation. What about our jobs? If this is going to continue, I am sure all the major multi national companies are going to run away or will stop investing in Hyderabad.
    I had sent you an email long back asking you about return to India and you had sent me a long reply to it. We had to choose between Hyderabad and another city. We should have chosen the other city on hindsight. I am really disappointed and there is no way we can move out of here unless we get a job somewhere else.
    I am sorry for ranting out here. But these bandhs etc. are a major inconvenience to common people.
    Thanks,
    Su

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  174. //Only serious attacks will precipitate matters. Can these guys go to that extent?//

    Why should we be expected to take to roads,even for legitimate demands???

    Where is the end to stupid thought processes???

    I would consider it a death of democracy,if it's citizens had to take to streets,every time they wanted their demands to be met...

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  175. Why should we be expected to take to roads,even for legitimate demands???

    Unfortunately, T-leaders would want people to believe that taking to roads is the only way they can be heard.

    Having done a nasty waiting of 50 years, you guys can't even wait for a couple of years?

    There are better ways to keep up the pressure on the center in peaceful ways.

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  176. //Having done a nasty waiting of 50 years, you guys can't even wait for a couple of years?//

    And,asking us to wait for longer,is not just cruel but shameful aswell...

    //There are better ways to keep up the pressure on the center in peaceful ways.//

    Would you care to share a few WAYS,in here.....

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  177. http://www.sify.com/news/telangana-issue-surfaces-again-in-parliament-news-national-lcvqahgicdg.html

    New Delhi, Feb 21 (IANS) Belying expectations of a peaceful budget session, some ruling Congress MPs from Andhra Pradesh Monday created an uproar on the first day of the nearly two-month-long parliament sitting by raising slogans and flashing placards demanding that a separate Telangana state be carved out of the southern state.

    About a dozen protesting MPs rose from their seats and shouted slogans to disrupt President Pratibha Patil's speech to a joint sitting of both houses of parliament.

    The contentious issue led to disruptions in both houses of parliament in the past following which the government formed a committee to look into the matter. The issue returned to haunt the house on the first day of the budget session.

    Patil's 45-minute address to the joint sitting of the Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha was heard with rapt attention by nearly 530 MPs. But as she was about to conclude, some Congress members flashed pro-Telangana placards and shouted 'Jai Telangana' and 'We want Telangana'.

    They got back to their seats as soon as the president concluded the speech.

    When the president left the Central Hall of parliament, the protesting MPs again displayed the placards.

    The Congress MPs led by K. Keshav Rao later staged a sit-in near Mahatama Gandhi's statue within the Parliament House premises to protest against the president making no mention of Telangana in her speech.

    Rao said they wanted a wider discussion on formation of the new state. 'We want a widespread discussion on the formation of the state. We have full faith in Congress president Sonia Gandhi,' Rao told reporters.

    Asked if the protest was against their party, Rao said that it was only as part of democratic practices and they were trying to attract attention to the issue. 'If you know what democracy is, there is nothing wrong in this protest. We wanted to bring the issue to notice. More than 240 people have died there (Andhra Pradesh) so far,' he said.

    'The process for separate state has already begun but certain differences needed to be sorted out,' Rao added, asserting that it was the Congress which has initiated the process.

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  178. They found it impractical to implement the same.

    All you said is correct.
    Then why T state is not formed yet? The least modalities and timelines are not declared?

    I agree I am in parallel universe. But what I see is what you see. What I hear is what you hear.
    If everybody agrees and T state is a reality, why this non-cooperation, attacks on politicians, SAs etc?

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  179. Why should we be expected to take to roads,even for legitimate demands???

    Where is the end to stupid thought processes???

    I would consider it a death of democracy,if it's citizens had to take to streets,every time they wanted their demands to be met...

    I fully agree with you. This thought process is undesirable. But against our likings it has started. Neither we can stop this taking to streets nor the debate around it.

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  180. @Anonymous :

    Having done a nasty waiting of 50 years, you guys can't even wait for a couple of years?

    How many couple of years has it been since 2004 ?It easy to say that,the one who is waiting on the other side knows the pain of losing it by the day.

    There is saying in Telugu
    "Mose vadiki telusu kavadi baruvu"

    There are better ways to keep up the pressure on the center in peaceful ways.

    Peaceful ways ? Can please enlighten us on these peaceful ways which you think T ppl didn't follow ?

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  181. @ SLB :

    Then why T state is not formed yet? The least modalities and timelines are not declared?

    You were the one who spoke about the Congress' intent of craving power always.Its for the same reason they are not daring to take any step may be fearing what ppl like you and SA politicians do.


    If everybody agrees and T state is a reality, why this non-cooperation, attacks on politicians, SAs etc?


    You are asking this question to me ? you should be asking it for yourself.Why ppl like you are not agreeing ? I have given answers to all your questions SLB in the comments of Egypt post by Sujai.You still keep asking the same questions to everyone who you think is opposing your opinion.This question has to be answered by ppl like you who have a single point agenda "Oppose T formation" even though all your questions are answered.

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  182. @ anonymous :

    Please don't think that ppl there don't know that peaceful ways should be followed.If you keep asking for something for more than an year now and central govt and state govt are acting like dictators not letting T ppl speak and not even responding to the demands,then this is how things turn out to be.

    Unfortunately the stupid of govt in this country has gone to an extent that no action will be taken on any problem unless it takes the violent form.

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  183. tintin,

    I am really at loss to understand what you say.

    when I asserted violence will delay T formation, you quoted Einstien and hinted that violence will get Telangana. When I asked (indirectly) how it will you said I am in different universe and everybody accepted T formation.
    Now you are saying me and some SA guys are not agreeing.
    "Jab miyan biwi raaje karegaa kya khajee?" All political parties agreed, central government agreed then what are me and SAs?

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  184. Would you care to share a few WAYS,in here.....

    Put this question to your Telangana congress MPs and MLAs. Its not my job. Its their job to find peaceful ways. May be you can ask them to resign and bring pressure - this very moment. Why are those guys not resigning? Go to their houses and sit and fast and protest. If all of Telangana( Including your elected representatives )wants Telangana, why do you guys burn AP govt's buses and disrupt peace in the city? Go and protest with those spineless representatives of yours. Or wait till next election and vote TRS to power in Telangana and use them. Bloddy violence is only put you guys to more shame.

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  185. @tintin,

    Here is one more...

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Telangana-movement-2-babus-join-TRS/articleshow/7428362.cms

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  186. @ tintin

    then this is how things turn out to be.

    If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.

    - John Stuart Mill

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  187. Continuation for you tintin again from John Stuart Mill

    If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind… If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

    Looks like you have to go a long way to understand democracy.

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  188. "There is a time and place for everything. This applies to everybody. Everyone has to maintain discipline and decorum during the President's address," Singhvi said.

    At the same time, he also sought to mollify the pro-Telangana members by noting that the party was aware of the emotions on the issue.

    "The process has already started over Telangana. This is a very dignified inaugural session and all issues cannot be raised. Non-raising of the issue does not mean the issue is not being taken seriously. UPA is committed to finding a solution," he said.


    Looks like we need to wait and understand that the Non-raising of the issue does not mean the issue is not being taken seriously.

    Don't wait guys. Do what Sujai says.

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  189. Telanagana movement = Taliban movement = Barbarian = Changis Khan Rule

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  190. ". I am afraid for my husband's and kids' lives."
    I'm sorry to say Ma'm that is what we have to live.That is the way of things to be in Telangana. Better migrate and find opportunities to a better place like Sujai.Nobody knows when a stone would be hurled or a bus burnt and bus passengers pelted in this new order mind you all in the name of peaceful agitation. Even if Telangana is formed there would security only if you 'buy' peace with the US dollars from protagonists and you contribute to the Telangana Security Fund.

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  191. @Anonymous

    Even Sujai is suspicious about Telangana. That is the reason he is operating his company from Bangalore.

    IT folks, it is good that there are good opportunities available in Chennai, Pune, Bombay, Noida. Please grab these opportunities lest you will be left in desert Hyderabad with Telengana leeches.

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  192. @Anonymous

    Tintin=Sujai

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  193. [What if we were travelling by car/auto or bus and people felt like throwing stones at it or setting it on fire.]
    Madam,

    this is the only thing I am genuinely concerned about.
    Yet the same time I am practical that it can happen to very few. And it is very likely that everything stops after first 2 or 3 incidents.
    I may sound over materialistic. But we have to take rough with smooth. Be cautious!
    Other than this rest of your apprehensions you expressed can be taken care. Try to prepare yourself for worst.
    (Also for our Madam lavanyajee)
    From Dev Anands musical classic 'Hum Dono'

    जहाँ में ऐसा कौन है जिसको गम मिला नहीं!

    ....
    कौन रोता है किसी और के खातिर है दोस्त...
    सबको अपनीही सवालात पे रोना आया.

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  194. @Anonymous

    Tintin=Sujai


    who cares? :-)
    In this faceless world anybody can be anybody else. That is why blog owner permitted anonymous posts.

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  195. Your MMTN Sujai knows the purport of Article 3 of the constitution the best in this country. In fact he probably would have read it more number of times than all the people of this country combined. May be he can impress Sonia Gandhi/Manmohan Singh and their bunch of utterly over-silent think-tank to send an ultimatum to the AP state government to table the T resolution for discussion with a deadline. The state would miss the deadline since it's majority driven - Andhra politicians a.k.a looters don't want this new state to get formed. The TRS angels won't even allow a rational debate to happen in the assembly, will disrupt the assembly, by their right/duty towards the people of telangana and see that the deadline expires and then the center will go ahead and table the bill and bang!!! your state is formed. Sujai will be spared all the pain he has to undergo whining about his language, culture and what not being relegated to utter neglect and some other people comparing SKC to the tender process. You guys must probably ask your TRS parliamentarians Ms Vijaya Shanti and Mr. KCR to find out ways of forcing the center take this steps immediately. So, instead of speaking and comparing the tastes of Andhra Biryani to the taste of some other substance he best knows the taste of (India has free speech only for some like KCR and not others like those psedo intellectuals like JP who are beaten for the gravest crime of speaking what he feels like out of context) he could ponder why BJP , that was so vehemently adamant on JPC, can't be equally goddamn adamant on starting this process of according justice to the aspirations of 4 crore people? Are the lives of 400 students less in value than all those zillions of public money lost? You must explore these options as well....really quick...and spare us all from these life crippling bandhs, stone hurlings and what not? We really want you guys to have your state and please find some peaceful ways, you great thinkers of Telangana. Please..Once Telangana is formed, may be you can then continue your voyage of hating other people but for now just stop hating/manhandling your brothers and start do something that makes your representatives get the state for you. Let students do what they should actually be doing (Oh..they should be studying and not hurling stones at police...)

    May be you are fighting a wrong enemy in the Andhras..you should actually be fighting the Congress core commitee.

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  196. Looks like you have to go a long way to understand democracy.

    They will have all the time to learn about democracy once T is formed. Distinguished individuals like Kaka, KCR, Harish Rao, Eetala Rajendar, Sujai et al would be teaching people of Telangana, India, what democracy is all about - but for now democracy or no democracy, they are busy fighting for Telangana.

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  197. [May be you are fighting a wrong enemy in the Andhras..you should actually be fighting the Congress core commitee.]
    You must be very new to this blog. Many including myself tired telling this.
    Finally we realized that Sujai etc know this fact. But they will not fight CCC nor Soniaji. TRS and most of these hate-mongers are not really for T state but to increase TRS base at the expense of other parties.

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  198. They will have all the time to learn about democracy once T is formed.

    Yep! First Telangana! We will recreate heavens on earth. No caste disputes, no religious differences, no illiterate, no landless, no nothing.
    One will emulate Kerala another Gujarat....

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  199. Yep! First Telangana! We will recreate heavens on earth. No caste disputes, no religious differences, no illiterate, no landless, no nothing.
    One will emulate Kerala another Gujarat....


    Dhoorapu kondalu nunupu antaaru Andhra telugu lo.

    These guys will have slog their asses off trying to irrigate their lands, fight with Maharashtra, a stronger and more powerful Andhra (without the liability of Telangana) for water, naxals (I still remember reading the news item of how former speaker Suresh Reddy's dad was hacked to death by Naxals), get enough of food grains to their people and students, politicians who would then get busy earning cos' they din run the show till now, find jobs to all those people who would demand them - see they say everyone will be employed if Andhras go away, Everyone.

    But don't worry Sujai and gang have already started designing the roadmaps. They would build a better state than communal Gujrat or relatively leftist Kerala - T would not have the liabilities that these two states have - a coastline :)

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