Friday, February 11, 2011

Movie: Jai Bolo Telangana



The movie ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ is directed by N Shankar and features actors like Jagapathi Babu and Smriti Irani.  It is now being screened across various theaters in Telangana and is becoming a roaring success.   Borrowing Dileep’s comments:  'Telangana is going through a cultural renaissance.  It has produced hundreds of songs and hundreds of books already.  Now, it can proudly boast a movie as well'.

Indeed, Telangana is going through a cultural renaissance.  It is reasserting itself after nearly 50 years of suppression, having been shown to be inferior, as a culture worthy of being discarded.   All attempts to erase this culture now stand futile.  The lesson is clear, you cannot erase someone’s identity and culture for so long; it comes back with a vengeance.   The assertiveness comes out in many forms, in speeches, in body language of Telangana people, in songs, in defiance, and in every aspect of Telangana people’s lives.  They even dream of creating their own state. 

Nowadays, young boys and girls proudly speak Telangana without an iota of shame or embarrassment, something that was not so easy for my generation or my father’s generation.  I see some school-going students speak Telangana as if it’s the coolest language on the planet.  And when they speak in ‘coarse’ Telangana to tell a story or a joke, the audience would applaud them and ask them to repeat.  They are instant heroes of the group.  These days Telangana is the ‘hep’ language, it is cool; it is in fashion. Today, Telangana is chic.

A Radio Jockey called Pratika in Hyderabad takes this coolness to a different level when she speaks Hyderabadi, a mixture of Telangana, Urdu, and English, with utmost ease and naturalness, abandoning the pretense that haunted the people of this region for so many years.  While listening to her on the radio, I could easily believe that it was one of my nieces speaking freely at home.  After hearing her on the radio, the artificial Telugu which I hear on the news and TV channels now appears more artificial than before.  We are emerging onto the scene to assert ourselves and there’s no turning back.
 
The ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ is not your conventional movie, and if you try to measure it through parameters of a regular movie, you will be disappointed.  Technically it does not qualify even as a good movie.  Many actors did not act well (many of them are real life Telangana activists and leaders).   Romance is artificial.  Screenplay is poor.   Few messages are repeated making it laborious for any non-Telangana person. 

So, what is so great about this movie?  Why did I make it a point to see it in Sudarshan Theater on RTC crossroads in Hyderabad though I was not keeping good health?  At the end of the movie, Why was I completely in rapture?  Why did I enjoy this movie thoroughly that I felt I could watch it many more times? 

Well.  The answer is simple. ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ is just not a movie, it is a great cultural experience.  It is about witnessing a revolution in making.  It is about being a part of cultural renaissance.  Not a culture that I read about in a book, but that something I am a part of.  It is about my identity.  It makes every Telangana person proud of what he or she is.

You have to understand that it is a low budget movie and it faced so many obstacles from those who wanted to make sure the endeavor fails.  The fact that it made it to the screen is in itself an achievement.  It echoes the spirit of current generation of Telanganas who refuse to bow down to the oppressive forces anymore.  It is not about how well they speak or write.  The fact that they are seen as equal, put under the same spotlight, is good enough for now. 

The movie deals with contemporary Telangana agitations and events with a romantic story of a Telangana guy and an Andhra girl in the foreground.  The plot is simple.  The father dies fighting for Telangana. The son doesn’t want to get into any type of agitation.  However, he goes through a series of experiences, witnesses the injustices done to Telanganas, and he rises up in rebellion.  The movie depicts the events of the last one year, Chidambaram’s statements, KCR’s fast, and so on.

For a change the protagonist, Jagapathi Babu, an Andhra actor, attempts to speak Telangana.  The villagers did a much better job in speaking Telangana without having to make an attempt.  It is so nice to see Telangana culture being depicted on the screen for a change.  The humor is not subtle.  It directly attacks its detractors, but still you cannot help but laugh.   The message to Seemandhras is simple: Lets part as regions, but stay together as people. The message to Telangana people is simple too:  Fight, fight like there’s no tomorrow because your future depends on it.

I would have liked to see some changes in the movie.  A student who commits suicide is shown burning.  And repeated allusions are made to suicides.  They could have been avoided.  Also, I wish the director had highlighted other (more important) injustices to Telangana than just jobs for the youth, like water. 

Otherwise, the director can be given credit for capturing the mood of Telangana agitation very well, weaving the contemporary events into the fold, while highlighting certain cultural aspects of Telangana.  The best part of the movie are its songs.  The songs transport you into a different realm.  They make your heart beat faster.  They bring the rebel in you.  They make you get up and fight for yourself and for your people.  The title song ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ is an inspiring song, not for just Telanganas, but anyone out there, like one of those Lagaan songs.  KCR himself has written ‘Garadi Chestundru’.  It is very well pictured, with humor, and it is a great composition.  And the best part of the cultural experience comes with Gaddar’s song ‘Podustunna Poddumeeda’.  Gaddar, who has inspired a revolution in this region, now sings a tune for Telangana in this movie, and that’s when the entire audience gets up from their seats and break into a dance.   The celebration is now in full flow with many young and old jumping and singing.  After that you can consider yourself a part of this revolution. [You can listen to the songs here: Jai Bolo Telangana, Podustunna Poddumeeda, Garadi Chestundru]

Last year, I met an old friend from Telangana after nearly a decade.  He is now a director in Telugu movie industry.  He speaks a different Telugu, not the one we spoke when we were in college.  His journey into the movie world has changed his language, so that he could fit in.  When I spoke my unchanged Telangana with utmost ease, he was so happy to hear it.  Today when I called him up, he told me he watched ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ in a theater in Hyderabad.  After seeing the audience dance to Gaddar’s song, he became convinced that ‘we will get Telangana; if not now, if not in ten years, even if it takes 50 years, we will get Telangana’.  He says he has witnessed how ‘Telanganam’ flows through our veins and arteries.

‘Jai Bolo Telangana’ is a must watch for everyone in Telangana.  You have to go sit in a theater to enjoy the experience.  It is a duty of every Telangana person to go and watch it, not once, but many times, so that the movie maker makes money, so that he can regale us with another one which would be a greater experience than this one.  We owe this to ourselves.  

And those who are not part of Telangana but interested in Telangana Movement, you should see the movie in a theater in Telangana, so that you may understand the spirit that is now uniting entire Telangana in this struggle.  If you want to watch a technically superior movie, go watch ‘Avatar’.  But if you want to experience a genuine people’s revolution, if you want to listen to the heart beat of four-crore people, if you want to be part of the history in making, then go watch ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’.  When you are surrounded by hundreds of singing and dancing ecstatic Telangana people to Gaddar’s song, you will also be convinced, ‘Telangana is a reality.  Nothing can stop it now’.

361 comments:

  1. The Andhra Dominated "Tollywood" is now Neck Deep in Prostitution and Drugs, It just shows their level of Moral and Cultural degradation, no wonder the movies they make are as Shitty as themselves. May be this Telangana Renaissance will Cleanse the Telugu Culture and language from the degradation it suffered from the strangelhold of andhras.

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  2. The Population of Andhras is around 3 crores, while the Population of Telugu Speaking People is around 20 crore( it will be 6th largest populated country if considered as such), Andhras have Dominated Telugu culture and Politics for too Long and have robbed Telugu of its vibrancy , its time the Andhra hegomony over telugu ends.

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  3. @ wiki

    The Andhra Dominated "Tollywood" is now Neck Deep in Prostitution and Drugs, It just shows their level of Moral and Cultural degradation,

    Looks like you missed the masthead of this blog which states "They don't matter much because they do not bring any change. People live as ever - spitting, throwing garbage, cheating, bribing, but leading a moral life - not smoking, not eating meat, not visiting a prostitute."

    Read it again. Its a libertarian sentence. Of course the content is unlike.

    Ironic to say the least. ;-)

    Of the movie I know little, I hope it releases in hindi or maybe I will watch it with a friend when it releases as a DVD.

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  4. Regarding the movie, as per the calls which I received from USA, the guys told us to send the movie to us(Once they finish with it) to screen here in Canada. I was one of the distributor to play free shows across the Canada. Still waiting for the boxes....

    Quote:
    "
    A Radio Jockey called Pratika in Hyderabad takes this coolness to a different level when she speaks Hyderabadi, a mixture of Telangana, Urdu, and English, with utmost ease and naturalness, abandoning the pretense that haunted the people of this region for so many years. "

    When I was visiting India, in the car I was listened to one of her show, in Big FM(?) (I remembered she saying that was her last show before departing to USA for higher studies). I was became a fan of her, and searched Internet to listen any of her past shows(no luck for me...).

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  5. హైదరాబాద్: తెలంగాణకు చెందిన వనరులను నాశనం చేస్తే ఊరుకునేది లేదని సిపిఐ రాష్ట్ర కార్యదర్శి నారాయణ శుక్రవారం అన్నారు. ప్రభుత్వం, కొందరు అక్రమార్కులు కలిసి తెలంగాణలోని వనరులను అన్నింటిని కొల్లగొడుతున్నారని ఆరోపించారు. అయితే వనరులన్నింటీని కోల్పోయిన తెలంగాణను తెలంగాణ ప్రజలు కోరుకోవడం లేదన్నారు. తెలంగాణ వనరులన్నింటినీ కొల్లగొడితుంటే చూస్తూ ఊరుకోం అని హెచ్చరించారు. వనరులతో కూడిన తెలంగాణ రాష్ట్రం కావాలని చెప్పారు. వనరులు కోల్పోయాక తెలంగాణ ఏర్పడి ఏం లాభం అని ప్రశ్నించారు.

    తెలంగాణకు చెందిన వనరుల్ని, ఆస్తులను కాపాడటానికి ఇకనుండి ఉద్యమిస్తామని నారాయణ స్పష్టం చేశారు. సర్కారు భూముల వేలం అడ్డుకుంటామని హెచ్చరించారు. ప్రభుత్వం తెలంగాణలోని భూముల వేలాన్ని వెంటనే విరమించుకోవాలని చెప్పారు.
    Source: oneindia.in



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    - Eenadu, 11 Feb, 2011

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  6. These days Telangana is the ‘hep’ language, it is cool; it is in fashion. Today, Telangana is chic.

    This mixture of language has always been cool and it is best evident in hinglish, telglish or in fact across the country for at least the past 15 years or so.

    Ask any ad guy and he/she will speak as if they coined it and in fact many times I have taken pains to explain to them that this is the case in Hyderabad before you people in Mumbai "thought" you invented it.

    What's so new about this discovery I fail to understand?

    If you felt discriminated before it is wrong/immaterial to have felt discriminated then. If you feel elated now it is also wrong/immaterial to feel elated now.

    I am at loss to understand this whole "hepness" or "chicness". Mixing of languages has been "chic" and "hep" since James Joyce wrote his Ulysses. The Indian language was of course celebrated by rushdie in his "Midnight's Children".

    Either this article of Sujai is "targeted" at some people/target-audience (in marketing parlance) who are "expected" to read his blog in which maybe I don't belong.

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  7. sera:

    What's so new about this discovery I fail to understand?

    You don't understand many things on this blog and yet you linger on.

    You don't understand Telugu though lived here for '400' years.

    That shows more about you than this blog ;-)

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  8. @ Sujai

    After hearing her on the radio, the artificial Telugu which I hear on the news and TV channels now appears more artificial than before.

    Ok. I get it. Your target is the SAs. There's nothing much for me to say to that.

    So again its a slanted fight of the TGs versus the United guys. It has nothing for us Hyderabadi guys in this. Can't say much.


    It is about my identity. It makes every Telangana person proud of what he or she is.

    So its not about the identity of Hyderabadis. I get it.

    You have to understand that it is a low budget movie and it faced so many obstacles from those who wanted to make sure the endeavor fails.

    This is congratulatory.

    For a change the protagonist, Jagapathi Babu, an Andhra actor, attempts to speak Telangana.

    Would like someone to speak like that for HYDerabad as UT or second capital of india or a state or Option 4 like that. It would be awesome. I will finance it.

    A student who commits suicide is shown burning. And repeated allusions are made to suicides. They could have been avoided.

    Not "could". The word should be "SHOULD".

    When you are surrounded by hundreds of singing and dancing ecstatic Telangana people to Gaddar’s song, you will also be convinced, ‘Telangana is a reality. Nothing can stop it now’.

    Maybe. With Option 4.

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  9. @ Sujai

    What's so new about this discovery I fail to understand?

    You don't understand many things on this blog and yet you linger on.

    You don't understand Telugu though lived here for '400' years.

    That shows more about you than this blog ;-)


    True maybe. But does not the same thing show about you too.

    You lived here for whatever long and don't understand that Hyderabadi is different from Telangana.

    ;-)

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  10. I was one of the distributor to play free shows across the Canada. Still waiting for the boxes....

    Appreciations. That's the true free-market way to show support. You may not care for my appreciations [you may even satire it ;-)]but that is the true spirit in which freedom has to be won.

    Keep it going.

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  11. The above comment is for Green Star - in his appreciation.

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  12. You are spot on Sujai...

    I was just talking on phone to one of my friend on the Movie...

    There was a person sitting in front of me who happens to be a labor technician in one of the
    factory.I didn't even know him..

    He was saying .." anna cinema la patalu vasthunte manollani aapa taram kaaledu...

    cinema chusi vachinanka manasu thrupti anipinchidannaa.."

    He didn't gave any elaborate reviews as I was giving to my friends..

    He simply reflected the opinion of our people in simple two sentences...



    Normally when we come out of the theaters after watching the movie people will simply move in silence
    but for this movie When the people were coming out of the theatre,
    people were giving telangana slogans on top of their voices..

    Telangana will be formed...God Bless Telangana..

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  13. sera:

    You lived here for whatever long and don't understand that Hyderabadi is different from Telangana.

    Your definition of 'Hyderabadi' is different from the one I am familiar with. My cousins and nieces/nephews who live in Hyderabad believe they are 'Hyderabadi' but they also believe they are 'Telangana'.

    It is similar to how some people living in Delhi think they are 'Delhites' but also believe they are 'Indian'. Being one does not negate another for them.

    However, prior to 1947 there were some people living in Delhi who did not believe they were 'Indian'. They voted overwhelmingly for Muslim League in 1946 elections hoping that their city would become part of Pakistan.

    When India and Pakistan separated, Delhi became part of India, not Pakistan. These people who voted for Muslim League had an option to move to Pakistan. Some did, some did not.

    I am hoping that those who stayed back call themselves 'Delhite' and also 'Indian' without having to face a conflict.

    There might be some who may not. For them, being Delhite may be different from being Indian. They may not call themselves 'Indian'. And those people may identify with your position now.

    However, just because some people are unable to call themselves 'Indian' though they they live in Delhi, we will not create an 'option 4' for them to opt out of India. Whether those people like to call themselves Indian or not, the places where they live will be part of India.

    Whether you like to call yourself 'Telangana' or not, the places where you live will be part of Telangana. As some Muslims migrated out of Delhi because they did not like the new arrangement, you have an option to migrate out of Telangana.

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  14. @ Warangal

    but for this movie When the people were coming out of the theatre,
    people were giving telangana slogans on top of their voices..


    This movie is different. Shouldn't you have expected this slogans "before and after" entering the theatre then just "after". Don't you find a problem with that?

    I will beg you to understand that I am a guy who is reacting to your comments which I find illogical or unreasonable without seeing the movie.

    So please excuse me for my mistakes.

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  15. Your definition of 'Hyderabadi' is different from the one I am familiar with. My cousins and nieces/nephews who live in Hyderabad believe they are 'Hyderabadi' but they also believe they are 'Telangana'.

    It is similar to how some people living in Delhi think they are 'Delhites' but also believe they are 'Indian'. Being one does not negate another for them.

    However, prior to 1947 there were some people living in Delhi who did not believe they were 'Indian'. They voted overwhelmingly for Muslim League in 1946 elections hoping that their city would become part of Pakistan.

    When India and Pakistan separated, Delhi became part of India, not Pakistan. These people who voted for Muslim League had an option to move to Pakistan. Some did, some did not.

    I am hoping that those who stayed back call themselves 'Delhite' and also 'Indian' without having to face a conflict.

    There might be some who may not. For them, being Delhite may be different from being Indian. They may not call themselves 'Indian'. And those people may identify with your position now.

    However, just because some people are unable to call themselves 'Indian' though they they live in Delhi, we will not create an 'option 4' for them to opt out of India. Whether those people like to call themselves Indian or not, the places where they live will be part of India.

    Whether you like to call yourself 'Telangana' or not, the places where you live will be part of Telangana. As some Muslims migrated out of Delhi because they did not like the new arrangement, you have an option to migrate out of Telangana.


    Oh. My god Sujai. Such a lengthy post for a simple issue.

    1. I will agree with your entire argument if you were asking for a separate country. And then we can have a debate on that.

    2. As much as you want your state within India we want ours. Any problem with that.

    And like I told you before this "non-contiguity geographically" are no reasons. Take Pondicheryy. Take Dadar Nagar Haveli. Take even the Mharashtra fight for Goa.

    Hyderabad as a UT or a second capital of India or a state (distinct from Option 4) or Option 4 is possible. unless of course you fight for a separate country.

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  16. sera:

    I will beg you to understand that I am a guy who is reacting to your comments which I find illogical or unreasonable without seeing the movie.

    Your incessant objections to everything every Telangana person says is a bit annoying.

    I understand that you have very low opinion of Telanganas. But I believe that there is a limit to how low you can go with your continuous mockery of everything a Telangana person says or does.

    You are doing this a lot on this blog. May be you do that in your life. Good luck with that.

    But I am quite sure we will be happy to see you off from this forum. You are the first person I am asking to move away from this forum. And I get really nasty remarks, I don't mind that. So you can imagine how annoying you are for all of us here.

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  17. I understand that you have very low opinion of Telanganas. But I believe that there is a limit to how low you can go with your continuous mockery of everything a Telangana person says or does.

    I don't. And there's no other way I can answer that. I have always had an argument.

    But I am quite sure we will be happy to see you off from this forum. You are the first person I am asking to move away from this forum. And I get really nasty remarks, I don't mind that. So you can imagine how annoying you are for all of us here.

    I might be annoying because I take you uncomfortably. I come from the same place or "clique" if you may will.

    I ask for my freedom and my self-respect as much as you do.

    I am generally polite and argumentative (except in one or two posts that you have incessantly quoted and I have replied with your own quotes). I have also been impersonated to malign me. I have also had nicknames against me.

    Its your blog. You can ban my comments if you don't want the debate.

    I will have to give-up if you keep deleting my comments in any case ;-). But Sujai I think you are above that.

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  18. @sera:I will beg you to understand that I am a guy who is reacting to your comments which I find illogical or unreasonable without seeing the movie.

    Dude,you are correct...I expected the slogans to come out..you know what there were reports..even in vizag the people gave Jai Telangana slogans while watching the movie..

    Cheers

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  19. I understand that you have very low opinion of Telanganas. You are doing this a lot on this blog. May be you do that in your life. Good luck with that.

    @Sujai

    You may not even want to know the "low opinion" I have of Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, Advani, the Karats, Shiv Sena, Yedurappa, Raja, Modi, Mayawati, CBR, Jagan, TRS, Karunannidhi, Jayalalitha, Kode, Bengal communists, Kerala communists, Akali dal,. . . . . .

    I am very sure you have some names to add to that Sujai.

    Give me one english-alphabet-constructed-name that's OK with you Sujai in present Indian politics.

    ;-)

    Saddens me that guys like you and me can't stand each other while all of these guys have "mergers", understandings and so on and so forth.

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  20. @ Warangal

    .even in vizag the people gave Jai Telangana slogans while watching the movie

    They should. What's the surprise? All of you are telugus. You are one in some way or the other.

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  21. @Sera:Saddens me that guys like you and me can't stand each other while all of these guys have "mergers", understandings and so on and so forth.

    Don't fall into the trap of victimhood because it tints your vision.

    When we were talking of the injustice done to the people and police brutalities on the students you gave me the above suggestion..

    Seems you are bit worried..disgusted with present politics...

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  22. {They should. What's the surprise? All of you are telugus. You are one in some way or the other.}

    I dont know how to answer this..you are fallen asleep and suddenly woke up in the middle of the class and askss.."hum kidar hain.."

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  23. I will ask a simple question if that does not discomfort you. Are you people willing to have Urdu/Hindi as the first official language in Telangana across all districts if it is formed and will you agree if it is made the first language in every school?

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  24. I will ask a simple question if that does not discomfort you. Are you people willing to have Urdu/Hindi as the first official language in Telangana across all districts if it is formed and will you agree if it is made the first language in every school?

    Just continuing from the last post I made

    @ Sujai

    I have no low opinion of anyone or such. I am trying to fight for my own "independent Hyderabad" as much as you are trying to fight for Telangana and in my many posts I have made that clear.

    You may find me difficult because for a "change" it is you who wants to "colonize" us in the name of Telangana which you blame others. That could be discomforting. You should grow up and accept other people's rights to fight for self-respect as much as you do.

    It is only the people who can decide. So if you say let there be a referendum, I also say let there be a referendum.

    if you say consensus, I say let there be a consensus. If you say representative democracy, then let that be the way.

    But you can't have one rule for yourself and an other for others.

    HYDerabad wants to be independent. Don't fight it/. Leave us to our fate. Please.

    You may call us elites, idiots, ignorant, but let us be who we are. Please.

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  25. Nowadays, young boys and girls proudly speak Telangana without an iota of shame or embarrassment...
    It is very clear that you are away from Telangana for more than a decade.
    Corridors of IT companies are ringing with Telangana accent for more than 7 years. Of course good amount of Urud too.

    A Radio Jockey called Pratika in Hyderabad takes this coolness to a different level when she speaks Hyderabadi, a mixture of Telangana...
    Maybe some T public speakers should learn from her. They speak so much of 'grandhikam' that even common man from Kosta gets confused.
    If your 'artifical' Telugu potshot is at SA, you are throughly mistaken. Want to know the difference?
    Listen to FM in Vijayawada, Kakinda and Vizag. All these accents will be different and just 'local'.
    Nobody would listen to lisping of Hyderabad FM RJs.

    Sujai, onething is for sure. You make too many assumptions about the places, people and things that you do not know. Yet you write as if first hand account.


    'Telangana is a reality. Nothing can stop it now’
    No disputes. But only question is "what is the best solution for smooth separation".
    Confrontation and drag-on or consultaions for settlement?

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  26. But I am quite sure we will be happy to see you off from this forum. You are the first person I am asking to move away from this forum. And I get really nasty remarks, I don't mind that. So you can imagine how annoying you are for all of us here.
    "all of us". Yet another generalization. At least I am not and maybe I can vouch for POK too.

    But Sujai, we all know very well that you can control the blog. If you can allow participation only by invitation. Why do not you do that instead of getting annoyed and issuing undemocratic dictates?

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  27. Somehow I do not understand objections to 'sera' here.
    I certainely see a good point in his arguments.
    How can a few leaders and rest of Telangana can define what is 'Hyderabadi'?
    In more than oneway Hyderabad is different from rest of Telangana.
    Even if you leave SAs aside Hyderabad is made up of many communities with Muslims being largest. If you really see from outside, Hyderabad was built by Muslims rulers for thier purpose and they allowed rest enter the city. So defenitely, mulsims, as a community, have the first right on Hyderabad. Isn't it?

    I see another angle here 'wiser Telangana'. Telanganas claimed they were cheated by thier brethern when they were innocents. Now that they are wiser what if they behave like thier bretheren and cheat other communities?
    It might be 'wiser' for sera-likes instead of being innocent and then continue to complain for another century.

    I do not want sera's agreement on this. Instead I can make at least 10 Agarwals, 10 Singhs, 10 'kar's, 10 ayyars and 10 (doubting) Thomoses.
    (Not just some cousins/nephewes)

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  28. SLB:

    In more than oneway Hyderabad is different from rest of Telangana.

    In more than one way Delhi is different from rest of India. Should we separate Delhi from India?

    In more than one way Bangalore is different from rest of Karnataka. Should we separate Bangalore from Karnataka?

    In more than one way Kolkata is different from rest of W Bengal. Should we separate Kolkata from W Bengal?

    SLB: You call this blog a 'public toilet' and yet you like to spend most of your time here.

    SLB, sera, et al: Are you all of the same creed? Do you like to stay put even in those places where you are uninvited? Do you still linger around even when asked to go? No wonder you guys don't understand what 'self-respect' means. That's why you don't understand our movement.

    Your statements reek of insincerity and selfishness. They are all about 'our plunder and our loot'. That's what we are fighting against in Telangana Movement. You want our water, our resources and our cities. Just because you drank our water, just because you consumed our resources, just because you lived in our cities, they don't belong to you.

    Our fight includes everyone who is set to loot us, exploit us and plunder us, and that includes the fight against ilk of sera. Just because they lived in the country for '400 years' doesn't mean much. British who stayed in India for 300 years had to leave eventually. Nizam who ruled over us for 400 years had to give away his throne eventually. No matter how much he tried, he could not make his city or empire a part of Pakistan or make it independent.

    No matter how much sera and her ilk tries, he cannot make Hyderabad independent of Telangana.

    History will remember the ilk of sera the way we remember Nizam who tried to make his state independent of India.

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  29. @Sujai:
    "They make you get up and fight for yourself and for your people."

    Whats stopping u from being a settler in Bangalore and stealing Karnataka's resources to living and fighting for 'yourself and for your people' in Telangana?

    "if you want to listen to the heart beat of four-crore people, if you want to be part of the history in making, then go watch ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’"

    I thought there is only one 'heartbeat of 4-crore people' and thats Raj News, as their ad says. Is it not true anymore or there is more than one heart for Telangana, like one for Telangana and one for Hyderabad?

    Comparing it to Lagaan is insulting the spirit of nationalism in lagaan. If the movie is not well-made, the only reason u can ask people to watch it is for charity. This is not sustainable, unless govt subsidizes them. Also, when the whole cast is from T, why not hero and heroine?

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  30. @ Sujai

    In more than one way Delhi is different from rest of India. Should we separate Delhi from India?

    We can have that discussion when you want a separate country. For now this question cannot be answered as long as you don't want a country.

    In more than one way Bangalore is different from rest of Karnataka. Should we separate Bangalore from Karnataka?

    It could happen if the 8 districts of Hassan, Kodagu, Chitradurg, Tumkur, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore and Chamrajnagar gang up and ask for a separate "Kannadagana".

    In more than one way Kolkata is different from rest of W Bengal. Should we separate Kolkata from W Bengal?

    Even that could happen if the 6 districts of Hooghly, Nadia, Haora, Midnapur, 24 Paraganas South and 24 Paraganas North gang up to ask for a Bengalgana.

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  31. SLB, sera, et al: Are you all of the same creed? Do you like to stay put even in those places where you are uninvited? Do you still linger around even when asked to go?

    My god. I think we need strong Racist laws here. Or Settler laws like Owaisi says. ;-)

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  32. Just because they lived in the country for '400 years' doesn't mean much. British who stayed in India for 300 years had to leave eventually. Nizam who ruled over us for 400 years had to give away his throne eventually. No matter how much he tried, he could not make his city or empire a part of Pakistan or make it independent.

    Not 400. Ok. How far do we take this? What's the correct timeline. 800 years. 1500 years. 10,000 years?

    And who should set those years.

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  33. No matter how much sera and her ilk tries, he cannot make Hyderabad independent of Telangana.

    That's ok. You try. We try. History decides.

    History will remember the ilk of sera the way we remember Nizam who tried to make his state independent of India.

    Or maybe it will go the east and west pakistan route where they were one nation till 1971 which was infeasible and then with India's help Bangaladesh became a nation.

    It so could happen that it may start as a joint capital which will be infeasible and slowly may evolve into Option 4 with SAs help.

    I can't predict history, but one thing I know, this is not going to be neat. And our grand children and great grand children will have a lot of history to discuss and debate. ;-)

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  34. SLB: You call this blog a 'public toilet' and yet you like to spend most of your time here.

    I have heard worser bickering's. Eventually it all settles.

    In fact I find SLB to be very informative and he/she actually posts links to scan copies and such unlike many. And his arguments too have weight.

    It is a good and healthy counter view to you Sujai who are also factual in many places.

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  35. sera said...

    >> Are you people willing to have Urdu/Hindi as the first official language in Telangana across all districts if it is formed and will you agree if it is made the first language in every school?

    In true libertarian spirit, I will answer on my behalf, not "you people".

    As first language: Urdu yes, Hindi no, Telugu yes, mother tongue of student (whether Telugu/Urdu/Kannada et al): yes, best option, English: yes, great option

    As second language: Urdu yes, Hindi yes, mother tongue of student (whether Telugu/Urdu/Kannada et al): yes, yes, best option; English: yes, yes, good option.

    As medium of instruction: Urdu no, Hindi no, Telugu no, mother tongue of student (whether Telugu/Urdu/Kannada et al): yes, good option; English: yes; good option

    Two conditions: a. the local language (either Telugu or Urdu) should be studied & b. Hindi & Urdu combination not OK (too close).

    Example1: you can not have Kannada & Hindi even if your mother tongue is Kannada.

    Example2: you can not have Kannada & Urdu if your mother tongue is not Kannada.

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  36. One of the main reason Egypt got liberated just after 18 days of Public Protests was due to pressure from US govt, Only 1% of the worlds Oil transits through Suez canal but the protests had enough impact to raise the world oil prices more than 3 percent, Just because of the Fear and "speculation"that the Suez canal will shutdown. So US govt was afraid that it would hurt their still fragile recovering economy and forced the egyptian Military High council to give way for a regime change.

    Now I donno whether Hyderabad handles "1%" of the worlds BPO operations, but i know that it handles BPO operations of Several Fortune 500 companies, If Hyderabad is Shutdown, Not a flimsy Bandh but a Total Shutdown(like a General Strike), It will have Significant impact on the Critical Operations of these companies and Central govt will be Forced to act ( It can chose to crackdown or give into demands of Telangana people). So instead of Bandhs in Telangana Districts , the JAC should organize a "General Strike", not only of Govt employees but all sections of Society from auto drivers to electricity workers.

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  37. sera said...

    >> We can have that discussion when you want a separate country.

    This looks like provocation to me. The argument is relevant to both country & state.

    >> It could happen if the 8 districts of Hassan, Kodagu, Chitradurg, Tumkur, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore and Chamrajnagar gang up and ask for a separate "Kannadagana"

    Sorry to say your good knowledge of goegraphy does not extend to other aspects. The districts you mention above cover most of the old Mysore.

    Do you have to coin terms like "Kannadagana" and "Bengalgana"? l

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  38. Aravind said...

    >> I thought there is only one 'heartbeat of 4-crore people' and thats Raj News

    As you yourself note, this is what *their* ad says. You should ask *them* why some people don't appear to agree

    >> Comparing it to Lagaan is insulting the spirit of nationalism in lagaan

    I did not watch either Lagaan or JBT. I would recommend judging "committed" or "message oriented" movies on how well they presented their case, rather than what the case is. I consider "Maa bhoomi" & "Ankur" to be classics even though I am not a communist.

    >> If the movie is not well-made, the only reason u can ask people to watch it is for charity

    As far as I understand, Sujai recoomends people to see the movie because he believes they will like the experience. Did I miss something here?

    >> Also, when the whole cast is from T, why not hero and heroine?

    Not sure if this is the case but should you not ask the director instead even if it is so?

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  39. Truely, Gaddar song epitomizes the movie and the movement. I am sure after this movie, the stereotypes about Telangana would find it hard to stay, at least in movies.

    Jai Bolo Telangana is a celebration of the unwavering spirit of Telangana. Jai Bolo Telangana.

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  40. From Amar
    <<<Someone like Justice SriKrishna is supposed to judge the legal and illegal, not the "highest satisfaction of the largest number". In fact, the latter concept does not belong to the courthouse, but maybe to a brothel house!

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  41. I see another angle here 'wiser Telangana'. Telanganas claimed they were cheated by thier brethern when they were innocents. Now that they are wiser what if they behave like thier bretheren and cheat other communities?
    It might be 'wiser' for sera-likes instead of being innocent and then continue to complain for another century.


    That's some new angle. But I don't think we will be quiet.

    I think that even if Telangana is formed this struggle for a separate Hyderabad will be an ongoing one till it is formed. Impossible to stop it eventually for the simple reason that there is a "divide in our hearts" like Sujai says.

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  42. Sera, you are awesome. We need a strong voice on this blog that speaks for us Hyderabadis. How many times do we need to explain Sujai that just because Hyd is geographically surrounded by TG districts you cannot claim that it should be included in TG. Why is it a problem to have one state embedded in another one as long as they are in one country and people can move in and out freely. Sujai gives another illogical reason that that Hyd needs TG lands to grow. So what? The center can redraw state boundaries whenever that situation arises. Ofcourse, Hyd state can compensate adequately for the lands it may need in the future from the surrounding state of TG. If they go with option 4 of including MBNR and Nalgonda it is even better. That will take care of Hyd's growth needs for the next few centuries. TRS candidates won all the bypoll elections and proved that voters in TG want separate TG. We totally accept that. Now why don't you understand that MIM is the voice of Hyd. Danam and Mukesh have also asked for separate Hyd. So if MIM and these other ministers win elections in 2014 will you agree that Hyd wants to be separate. Why did TRS not contest in GHMC polls?

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  43. @SLD(?)/Sera/Hyderabadi (?):

    SL: Good to note you caught the "kar" (not "ker") right this time :) but you forgot to include the Muslims in the "converts" you plan. Trying to steer clear of Akbar bhai, are you? BTW who is "Thomos"?

    Questions for all the "separate Hyderabad" folks:

    Can you explain the preference for option 4 against option 2?
    Why fight for a UT, not a state?
    Would you want Hyderabad to separate even if the rest of the state is united (i.e. a new option of dividing AP into Hyderabad & rest of AP)?
    Will you agree to Urdu as the first language?

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  44. Jai,

    Can you explain the preference for option 4 against option 2?
    Why fight for a UT, not a state?
    Would you want Hyderabad to separate even if the rest of the state is united (i.e. a new option of dividing AP into Hyderabad & rest of AP)?
    Will you agree to Urdu as the first language?

    I think separate state is better so that Hyd has its own Assembly. I want my city to prosper. I want Hyd to be a cosmopolitan city where everybody is treated equally. I seriously doubt that is going to happen in TG. TG leaders already started calling others settlers. Yes, I would chose Hyd to separate even if rest of the state is united because we don't want non locals (people from Rayalaseema, Andhra or TG) to dominate us. I don't care about the first language. There can be three official languages: Hindi, Urdu and Telugu.

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  45. Can you explain the preference for option 4 against option 2?

    Option 4 gives a much enlarged territory and also has boundaries sharing with the "new states" and is a more long-term stable solution.

    Why fight for a UT, not a state?

    Absolutely. State is better than a UT. Second capital of India with state status is even better. Anyway every UT eventually becomes a state. Why not merge it with the state of Delhi [I know I am stretching the limits here ;-) ]

    Would you want Hyderabad to separate even if the rest of the state is united (i.e. a new option of dividing AP into Hyderabad & rest of AP)?

    Actually there is a proposal sitting with the GoI to make the 5 metros as UTs.

    Yeah. Would like that.

    Will you agree to Urdu as the first language?

    Actually I had asked this question. So it goes without saying. What Hyderabadi makes more sense. There can be three official languages: Hindi, Urdu and Telugu. Add English to that of course ;-)

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  46. @Hyderabadi:

    The word "settler" has been in vogue for decades now. It refers to mulki by residence as opposed to those who were born mulki. Primarily it meant people who settled down in Hyderabad (state) after giving up the idea of going back to their "original native place".

    All our forefathers were settlers. No one objected to the term before andhras. Funnily enough, the andhra guys who oppose it most are *not* settlers because they have no real plans of settling dowwn here (their dreams are to settle in US).

    Even if you succeed i forming Hyderabad, you will have to contend with Telangana people (as well as Andhras who claim 30-40 lacs) in the city. Then there are lacs like me who identify with Hyderabad *and* Telangana. This will increase if you go in for # 4.

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  47. sera said...

    I guess your response clashed with mine :)

    >> Option 4 gives a much enlarged territory and also has boundaries sharing with the "new states" and is a more long-term stable solution.

    Yes but adds more of Telangana guys :)

    >> I know I am stretching the limits here

    Yes, you are.

    >> Yeah. Would like that
    OK, continue your fight but be forewarned people like me will fight this and so will MIM.

    >> Actually I had asked this question
    Yes and I responded

    >> Add English to that of course ;-)
    Please see my response too, thanks

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  48. @ Jai

    Even if you succeed i forming Hyderabad, you will have to contend with Telangana people (as well as Andhras who claim 30-40 lacs) in the city. Then there are lacs like me who identify with Hyderabad *and* Telangana. This will increase if you go in for # 4.

    This is what the Pakistani guys told Bangladeshis during the Bangladesh movement of 1971. In fact there are still Bangladeshis who identify themselves with Bangladesh and Pakistan.

    Its a matter of time Jai. All will fall in place. The wheels of History will take care of that.

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  49. It would be interesting to watch the Parliament reaction on the demand for a new Hyderabad State,when it is rejecting other proposals.

    I would like to join them if they are having a case for it.Is there really a case for making hyderabad a new state.JAC or something like that??
    sera and hyderabadi have a good point.How many are ok with this option,here in hyderabad though?

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  50. @Sera:

    >> In fact there are still Bangladeshis who identify themselves with Bangladesh and Pakistan.

    I am surprised with this example. To my knowledge, the issue of Bihari Muslims is the only major diplomatic issue between Pakistan & Bangaladesh.

    >> All will fall in place

    Whichever way you slice Telangana, non-Telugus will be a minority and non-Hindus among these will be a miniscule part. The only possible exception will be to limit it to purani shaher. As you radiate away from Charminar, this can only increase in intensity.

    If this (4/5 district "Hyderabad" more correctly called "South Telangana") can fall in place, so can a 10 district Telangana.

    Somehow you are optmistic that your objections to # 5 (whatever they are) will not arise in # 4. To look at it from a different angle, you are confident your approach (or "wheels of history") will succeed in # 4 but fail in # 5.

    Offtopic: do you know how I can use Italics & bold in my comments?

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  51. SKC said...

    >> It would be interesting to watch the Parliament reaction on the demand for a new Hyderabad State

    Who will raise it? All Telangana MP's including Owaisi are against it.

    SA MP's can not expose their politics of blackmail & spite by raising (or can they??)

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  52. @ Jai

    Offtopic: do you know how I can use Italics & bold in my comments?

    http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_font_style.asp

    Check that link.

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  53. Somehow you are optmistic that your objections to # 5 (whatever they are) will not arise in # 4. To look at it from a different angle, you are confident your approach (or "wheels of history") will succeed in # 4 but fail in # 5.

    Actually I am not. They will arise in #4 too. But I feel they will be more manageable. And will normalize with time through the wheels of history.

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  54. @hyderabadi.

    From where will hyderabad get water and elctricity. dumboo don't talk about GHMC budget go and check how much deficit they have.

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  55. Aravind:

    Comparing it to Lagaan is insulting the spirit of nationalism in lagaan. If the movie is not well-made, the only reason u can ask people to watch it is for charity. This is not sustainable, unless govt subsidizes them. Also, when the whole cast is from T, why not hero and heroine?

    You guys come here onto this blog to raise silly, irrelevant and foolish suggestions. You ask dumb questions. Its pity that you do not even realize how foolish those suggestions and questions are. It must be hard to live with such foolishness.

    The fact that we even read your message, and deign to respond to your message must be the highlight of your otherwise pathetic life.

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  56. sera:

    It could happen if the 8 districts of Hassan, Kodagu, Chitradurg, Tumkur, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore and Chamrajnagar gang up and ask for a separate "Kannadagana".

    Are you really an idiot or do you do your best to appear to be an idiot?

    The question was if immigrants of Bangalore ask to be separated from the region because ‘they are different’ from the rest of the region.

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  57. sera:

    Not 400. Ok. How far do we take this? What's the correct timeline. 800 years. 1500 years. 10,000 years?

    When will you understand the fundamental gist of the argument? Or is it that you are so thick you can never understand?

    It is not about timeline. It is about who the ruler is and who the ruled is. Who makes legitimate demand, and who doesn’t. Nizam thinking of merging his kingdom with Pakistan against the wishes of his people, or some Muslims in Delhi thinking of becoming a part of Pakistan while being inside India are illegitimate demands irrespective of how long Nizam rules the region (400 or 10,000) or how long the Muslims have lived in Delhi (400 or 10,000).

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  58. sera:

    It so could happen that it may start as a joint capital which will be infeasible and slowly may evolve into Option 4 with SAs help.

    We oppose Option 4 absolutely and completely. We will fight tooth and nail to ensure it will not even be considered. We will deem everyone who proposes it to be the enemy of Telangana.

    That’s because Option 4 is the worst possible option of all the options for the welfare of Telangana. Only the most devious and diabolical of the minds would come up with such a solution, only to penalize and punish people of Telangana.

    It not only takes away the only developed part of the region away from the region, it will also secure all the surrounding areas which are flourishing better than the rest of the region. And the worst part of it all, which clearly exposes how cunning our enemy’s mind can be, is that it also takes away the most important irrigation projects, Srisailam and Nagarjuna Sagar from people of Telangana. This would be one of the most heinous crimes one can commit against people of Telangana when one of the prime raison d’être for the current agitation is the injustice in water.

    We believe that those who support Option 4 are really evil people who want to deny, deprive and punish people of Telangana, and such people will have to be exposed so that everyone in Telangana knows who the real traitors are.

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  59. @ Sujai

    We will deem everyone who proposes it to be the enemy of Telangana.

    This is the "enemy of the people/state" talk that the likes of Stalin and Hitler used to give.

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  60. It could happen if the 8 districts of Hassan, Kodagu, Chitradurg, Tumkur, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore and Chamrajnagar gang up and ask for a separate "Kannadagana".

    Are you really an idiot or do you do your best to appear to be an idiot?

    The question was if immigrants of Bangalore ask to be separated from the region because ‘they are different’ from the rest of the region.


    The answer is that if those 8 districts asked for it then the immigrants will ask for it along with the other districts of Karnataka.

    Hope that clarifies.

    And for your other sentence of me being an idiot, it is best answered by a quote which sort of throws light on your belligerence.

    M.W. Fodor wrote in The Nation in 1936, "No race has suffered so much from an inferiority complex as has the German. National Socialism was a kind of Coué method of converting the inferiority complex, at least temporarily, into a feeling of superiority".

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  61. సీమాంధ్ర మంత్రులపై కోర్టుకెళతా: శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీకి సీమాంధ్ర మంత్రులు, ఎమ్మెల్యేలు అందజేసిన నివేదికలో 'రాష్ట్ర విభజన కోరుకునేవాళ్లు దేశద్రోహులు' అనే మాట వాడి ఉంటే వారిపై చర్యలు తీసుకోవాలని కోరుతూ తాను న్యాయస్థానాన్ని ఆశ్రయిస్తానని విద్యాసాగరరావు చెప్పారు. ఆ నివేదిక ప్రతిని తనకు ఇవ్వాలని స.హ. చట్టం కింద తాను వేసిన పిటిషన్‌పై కేంద్ర హోంశాఖ స్పందించిందని తెలిపారు. ఆ ప్రతిని ఇవ్వాలో వద్దోననే విషయాన్ని పది రోజుల్లోగా రాత పూర్వకంగా తెలియజేయాలని కోరుతూ ఆ రోజు సీమాంధ్ర మంత్రులు, ఎమ్మెల్యేల బృందానికి నాయకత్వం వహించిన మంత్రి ధర్మాన ప్రసాదరావుకు కేంద్ర హోంశాఖ నోటీసు కూడా జారీ చేసిందని తెలిపారు.

    -Eenadu, Feb 12, 2011

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  62. Fodor must be your Half-brother, Hitlers Party National Socialists has nothing to do either with Nationalism or Socialism, Its Pure Fascism. T-vadis are not spreading any Racist theories, if anything you and your andhra Friends are doing that. Comparing Telangana agitation with Nazism just shows your level of Insanity.

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  63. @ Sujai and @ Sujai

    We believe that those who support Option 4 are really evil people who want to deny, deprive and punish people of Telangana,

    Ok then what is the Option 7, 8, 9 or 10 you propose?

    You say only Option 5. Option 5 is a definite no for people like me (that is if we matter by your consideration).

    Of course we are not KCR and Lagadapati or the likes of those. You are a successful entrepreneur. I am like you.

    I am very sure you have your connections as well as I have regarding this issue that go upto Delhi. Or to those guys.

    We have info that the mainstream media does not have with our "connections" and that is where blogging and all these medias really come into play in a meaningful sense. I found this blog after a long time because there were no other spaces which allowed me a discussion or postings. That's ok. I don't feel bad or such. But it does not help in any case blocking out people.

    You spend money/time as well as I do on this issue (unlike many we know - or atleast I know - who don't have those resources but who maybe are more "sympathetic/passionate/mad" with our causes).

    I am sure you support/fund directly or indirectly many groups/political-parties like I do.

    So whatever more/little we can do, if you can come with an imaginative solution that's "sort of agreeable" I will push things at my end.

    I am serious.

    I have no intention of "denying, depriving or punishing" anyone which goes against my libertarian core and I am sure you too have it and that is why I write on this blog.

    I started emotionally (read confession) and sort of cooled down. It looks like the reverse with you Sujai.

    It happens. We are humans after all - and that is more the reason why we have to come to an agreement in the spirit of "lose some. gain some". No hard feelings.

    So let me know what your Option 7, 8, 9 or 10 is Sujai?

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  64. @Sujai

    Your definition of 'Hyderabadi' is different from the one I am familiar with. My cousins and nieces/nephews who live in Hyderabad believe they are 'Hyderabadi' but they also believe they are 'Telangana'.

    Let me make a rough calculation of how many people in Hyd are against option 5. 41% of Hyd population who voted for MIM + 10% of settlers + 5% north indians. That is a total of about 56%. Of the rest of the 44%, there is some percentage of second and third generations Telanganites (that is people whose forefathers moved to Hyd from other regions of AP). I don't know the exact percentage of these people but if you add up all these people, the total will be over 60%. So your cousins belong to the minority of about 30%. My calculations are approximate but you see the point right?

    All the public representatives, MLAs and MPs in AP today (irrespective of their political parties) are reflecting the opinion of the people in their constituencies. Otherwise they know they will lose in their next elections. So what are Danam and Mukesh saying?

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  65. @Sera

    I do not know why you are fascinated with this idea of UT but it only hurts Hyderabad's growth in the long run.. And before people start labeling me I would like to clarify that I am pretty neutral on the Statehood Issue..

    Creation of artificial boundaries will only hurt Hyd.. And then talk about all the Electricity and Water Issues..

    Hyd lies in the Krishna River basin and is allocated water from there however the water that can be brought from there is very limited hence we have to worry about getting water from Godavari for future growth which is in the North.. And then think about Electricity..

    You can always argue that you will pay market prices for that but it is very impossible to survive without assured supply..

    Even if these problems are solved where is Hyderabad's hinterland for growth?? Telangana only assuming Andhra will have its own growth center..

    You are not directly involved in the Telengana vs Andhra fights so my question is "How is Hyderabad as Telangana's capital any different from Hyderabad as Andhra Pradesh's Capital to You?"

    The question is very relevant because as you claim you/your ancestors have done business in far more authoritarian conditions.

    My own view is that Hyderabad should never be separated from whatever it is surrounding by

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  66. @ Hyderabadi

    You are not directly involved in the Telengana vs Andhra fights so my question is "How is Hyderabad as Telangana's capital any different from Hyderabad as Andhra Pradesh's Capital to You?"

    Not very different you may say. But Telangana will end up like WB or Kerala which are communist states.

    And maybe worser than those. The voices make it clear. Don't try to convince me on this.

    More importantly it should be made clear to the Indian Union that formation of a state is not that simple which BJP seems to have propagated and brought in people's psyche.

    How long will you divide? Let BJP come out with an idea/plan/definition/policy for that. They have no idea. Let them touch Gujarat and I will want to know - after all Saurashtra as a separate state is a demand for a long time. Modi will piss on them.

    And then maybe we could have a discussion Hyderabadi.

    It ain't that simple.

    And Hyderabad is more different than Telangana than most of the other states that have been created.

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  67. @Sera

    Your arguments of Telangana becoming WB or Kerala Communist are very wrong.. If you speak to the leaders from Telangana you will know.
    That's the last thing that they would want after formation of Telangana. Think about how frustrated they would be not having anything to loot :)

    Hyderabad was spared even in the heights of Naxalism and you are worried about it now when it is being slowly killed.

    The present state of AP is no different than a communist state if you consider the largess the Govt is giving to people.. Arogyasri, Fee subsidies and what not.. The only reason people like you want to go along is that it is corrupt enough to let businesses(i'm not talking about new age industries) involved in contracts,mining,real estate get away.
    I see Telangana being no different.
    i totally understand where you are coming from.. Maybe you should hear this-

    “If at age 20 you are not a Communist then you have no heart. If by age 30 you do not become a Capitalist then you have no brains as well”

    If Telangana were to have become Communist it would have done so a long time back. And i totally believe from my experiences in interior Telangana that people truly believe in a world that is more integrated together.

    And it is from this viewpoint that they they see themselves being at a disadvantage inspite of having the necessary resources. They genuinely believe they can compete if they are given an equal opportunity..
    But Politicians are cunning and you never know where you will end up if you trust them completely and KCR is one of them

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  68. @Sera

    Water and Electrcity shortages-Is that a trade-off that you are willing to make just so that your wealth is protected?? Maybe you can pay market prices but what about the rest of the population? We would have no choice but to go back to Telangana for it..

    Communism is Telangana is improbable. And even if that's really the case(highly unlikely) then what difference will making Hyd a UT make?? It will percolate down anyway.

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  69. @ Hyderabadi:)

    If you see the entire leadership of this agitation (except KCR who is a totally different character) you will notice that all or most of them have socialist/communist lineages or agendas. In such a scenario it is impossible but for a state to end up soft & sympathetic to their causes.

    I don't know whether you have any personal experience dealing with labor union leaders and such. But take it from me it can be a harrowing experience where logic or reason has no place.

    And I am not fascinated with UT. And that's why some form of Option 4 with a state status is what is ideal is what I say.

    And as for water and electricity issues, don't worry much. There is the Indian union to take care of that. If that was a problem many smaller states or UTs would not have survived in this nation if that kind of blackmail and pressure tactics would work.

    Think of future Hyderabad like Singapore. In fact size wise it will be bigger. It will be a place where the only resource is human resource and where everyone is welcome. It will actually be a kind of experiment where "true India in all its unity in diversity" can flourish and prosper. It will become the symbol of India's place in the world. And with Option 4 it will give lands to plan areas like Chandigarh on the outskirts. In fact it will be the magnet for every Indian.

    Think Big Hyderabadi :)

    This is not a fight against TGs or SAs. This is a fight for building a new kind of state in India with a new character.

    It is fortunate that with this agitation this opportunity has come. The time is now. We need to stand up and take the opportunity.

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  70. Hyderabad,the future Singapore....
    Looks like sera is still not out of the CBN dream.....

    Singapore is a group of islands,that has its own well developed seaports....Hyderabad does NOT....

    There is no well oiled international trade and commerce that Hyderabad can boast of,if you can discount the BPO,IPO sectors...
    Even that,is dispensable,since the sector only flourishes on cheap labour and not resources....


    The cost of all the basic necessities are going to be sky rocketing,if the surrounding GHMC areas refuse to co-operate in supplying requirements...


    Without an agricultural sector,to boast of,Hyderabad State is going to become a claustrophobic stranglehold,than a vibrant magnet for settlements...

    The middle and lower middle class families,have to keep fighting for survival,and can never boast of a comfortable life....

    Try comparing it with Delhi,I might still agree on some points...But,Singapore!!!

    My god,sera aren't you an incurable and selfish Capitalist!!!

    History has proved that wars have happened because of blind ambitions and madness...

    May be you should just go back to U.P....

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  71. I wonder why he doesn't try starting a web-site or atleast a blog of his own,to rant on his capitalist theories???

    I am sure he might have tried,without much luck...

    Please stay away from discussing any thing remotely sensible,with sera....

    Must agree haven't seen,many like him.....

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  72. Hyderabad,the future Singapore....
    Looks like sera is still not out of the CBN dream.....

    Singapore is a group of islands,that has its own well developed seaports....Hyderabad does NOT....

    There is no well oiled international trade and commerce that Hyderabad can boast of,if you can discount the BPO,IPO sectors...
    Even that,is dispensable,since the sector only flourishes on cheap labour and not resources....


    The cost of all the basic necessities are going to be sky rocketing,if the surrounding GHMC areas refuse to co-operate in supplying requirements...


    Without an agricultural sector,to boast of,Hyderabad State is going to become a claustrophobic stranglehold,than a vibrant magnet for settlements...

    The middle and lower middle class families,have to keep fighting for survival,and can never boast of a comfortable life....

    Try comparing it with Delhi,I might still agree on some points...But,Singapore!!!

    My god,sera aren't you an incurable and selfish Capitalist!!!

    History has proved that wars have happened because of blind ambitions and madness...

    May be you should just go back to U.P....


    @ Lavanya

    In some way you are reproducing similar kind of reasons that the SAvadis say when they argue that Telangana is infeasible or impractical.

    Looks like you are stuck in a stage in history where you think all of these natural resources are more important than human resource. The world has moved on Lavanya ji. There is a whole set of new economics governing the new world. I am sure you heard of globalization, right???

    And as for wars happening, sometimes there is no choice in some cases - one needs to protect democracy so that the "silent majority" is not stamped out by people who take to streets and disrupt normal life and act like dictators.

    Like Thomas Friedman wrote once in the context of ousting Saddam "If they the Sunnis won't come around, we should arm the Shiites and Kurds and leave the Sunnis of Iraq to reap the wind."

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  73. Commies used to say "workers of the world unite" while Friedman and his wacko Neo-con friends have only one Buzzword "GLOBALIZATION" they even dont know what it means, they think Glogalization is something that is all about removing Trade Barriers for Poor countries while rich countries give massive Subsidies to their own Industries.

    and as for the Stupid Statement of Friedman:

    "If they the Sunnis won't come around, we should arm the Shiites and Kurds and leave the Sunnis of Iraq to reap the wind."


    They never armed the Shhites or alteast Protect them by enforcing a NO fly zone when they rebelled against Saddam before the 1st Gulf war, Shiites are like 70% of the total population the Silent majority, .

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  74. @ SeraStupid

    I am humbled that you think me important enough to take the effort to type out my name.

    I understand the feeling that the likes of KCR get when someone names their children after their name. Without you I would have never experienced that feeling which is well reserved for our great stars ;-)

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  75. [I do watch Raj TV as well as other channels but did not see the conspiracy stories you mentioned.]
    Jai, this is most irritating thing about many T-vaadis.
    Not only they do not try to gather facts but simply dismiss the others say.
    I watched Prof. Jayshankar with Desapati Srinivas on June 30, 2010 on Raj News. The title of the program itself has 'kutra'.
    Besides conspiracy the other imporatnat things he said were 'Telangana Subhikshamamgaa undedi', 'sayudha poraatam rendu moodu zillalaku maatrame parimitamainadi.'
    Get hold of the same and you will know what I am talking.
    Actually this is enough for me to stop discussin further.


    [Another clarification: I take assertions in good faith unless I can disprove them.]
    I am no different. In Dec 2009 I started studying the issue by accepting the T-vaadis allegations on face. I found a few genuine and many exgegarations. For example the case of sharing Krishna wanters and status of Mahabubnagar definitely shows the apathy of the rulers.

    [I know most activists on either side (and on all sides of any debate) are selective in their quotes. This does not mean I accuse anyone of deliberate falsehood or forgery. Nor can one dismiss presented evidence just because contrary evidence was omitted.]
    This cannot be accapted. Honestly this is not a two way fight. T-vaadis are the one throwing the accusations. Onus of proff rests with them. IMO, T-vaadis repatedly used these allegation. After a bit of research I found Prof. Jayashankar as source for most of these. I browsed many websites and watched many individuals like Dilip, Gaddar etc. Everybody demanded Telangana. But only those associated with Prof. Jayashankar and team chose to accusations of dopidi. See the website vepachedu, telanganaustav.com. They have fair and good arguments in gavor of separate state for Telangana. They did not resort to the same kind of accusations.

    [You are welcome to your view that Vishalandhra with Hyderabad *city* as *capital* emerged from the response of Telangana leaders.]
    In my study over last one year, I found Vishalandhra with Hyderabad as capital happened to be first time during 1953. I took few hours to get exact names and text from Google books as I wanted concrete proof before brining out.

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  76. [I do not believe your clippings prove this adequately. There is tons of evidence of Andhra desire for Vishalandhra including Hyderabad *state* as well as other areas much before that. I believe the idea of Hyderabad as capital emerged as the andhra state formation became close to reality.]
    I cannot help, this is the only recorded proof we have from past. From the study I did the explicit call for Hyderabad as capital happened from Telangana leaders only. I cannot assert the same bcoz maybe I missed something that happened between 1948 and 1953. The clippings I have poseted definitely do not talk of Hyderabad as capital. In fact NG Ranga's views indicates readiness to accept Hyderabad as capital and not a demand or request for Hyderabad as capital.

    [I am not alleging a conspiracy here, just repuditing the idea of "you invited us" being flaunted by SAvadis.]
    Honestly, may I am the one to coin 'invited'. My intention was to poke rather than assert that everything happened bcoz of T leaders only.

    [I did not see Ramkishen Rao's letter submitted to SKC (BTW by whom). I am referring to the copy released by Narsing Rao from his father's archive.]
    You contradict youself of "I take assertions....". I told you explicitly that submission to SKC. This is available on many sites on internet. If you want to you can get it under RTI.
    Firest I saw it submitted by one Vijay Burgula on ourtelangana.com. Found same scanned stuff to SKC. But you claim by that copy released by Narsinga Rao.

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  77. [I do not believe it was forged as you appear to allege. For one, there is too much context to have been "created" much later. To my knowledge, "office copies" are on plain paper and not signed.]
    I am not saying it is forged. Coz there was no sign on it. Also that letter letter was defintely very old. But there is no 'From' either at the begining or at the end which most common in olden days. Nor any name at Sd/-. It can be a letter from one of the trio KVRR, JVNR and MCR. Most likely from KVRR.



    [SRC's interpretation of Telangana feelings on merger becomes clear if you juxtapose it with the comments on andhra support to Vishalandhra.]
    'if you juxtapose'. I will comeback on this with how SA leaders and people 'juxtaposed' T leaders intentions before merger.

    [Nehru was (atleast not yet) the party. Many decisions taken during his reign were against his preferences.]
    I defintely agree. But its T-vaadis who open thier arguments with 'The then tallest leader Nehru'. You cannot just hide behind his opinions but accept his actions too. It is unfortunate but I would not hesitate to call Nehru 'loose tounge'. With similar statements on Kashmir he did great damage to Indian safety.

    [Prof. Jayashankar may be guru of KCR but this does not mean targeting him is correct. SAvadis can oppose his views but bestowing the choicest of language on him (and Prof. Kodandaram) is unfair in my view.]
    I would not care Prof. Kodandaram or Prof. Samuel. But Prof. Jayashankar carries lot of value. I have said already, I would definitely accept his views had he been not a direct party to movement. His college career started with a boycott during 'idli-sambar' go back.

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  78. I wonder why he doesn't try starting a web-site or atleast a blog of his own,to rant on his capitalist theories???

    Madam,
    I am worried by your week long silence (honestly!). Hope you are doing well.

    Even I thought I will start my own blog to counter arguments of T-vaadis. But I recollected a scene from one old Hindi movies with SashiKapoor in leader role (I forgot the movie name).
    SK was SI trying to nab a gang but he fails to get any clues. He sits near Mumbai shore and starts thinking. Then he find an old man standing knee deep in 'kheedhad'.

    SK: हे भाई क्या कर रहेहो?
    OM: बाबूजी कीचड निकाल रहा हूँ?
    SK: अजीब आदमी हो! कीचड में उतारे क्यों?
    OM: बाबूजी तट पर खड़े होने से कीचादा निकलेगा कैंसे?


    This gives an idea to SK. He takes guise of 'pocketmaar' and reaches the gang.

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  79. @ SLB

    It is unfortunate but I would not hesitate to call Nehru 'loose tounge'.

    First thanks for all the other info. I am also educating myself on this issue and the more I read/know I find more exaggerations in the entire allegations that Tvaadis make-up than truth.

    And as for your Nehru's comment I am also with agreement though it is unfortunate.

    Take the below for instance taken from http://chellaney.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4913C7C8A2EA4A30!228.entry

    The Indian predilection for talk rather than action was on brazen display in the run-up to the 1962 war. This was best illustrated by Nehru’s offhand remarks to reporters while leaving for Colombo on October 12: “Our instructions are to free our territory. I cannot fix the date, that is entirely for the Army”. Such loose talk was a god-send to the Chinese communists to fix the date for their attack.

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  80. @ SLB

    It is unfortunate but I would not hesitate to call Nehru 'loose tounge'.

    First thanks for all the other info. I am also educating myself on this issue and the more I read/know I find more exaggerations in the entire allegations that Tvaadis make-up than truth.

    And as for your Nehru's comment I am also with agreement though it is unfortunate.

    Take the below for instance taken from chellaney.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4913C7C8A2EA4A30!228.entry

    The Indian predilection for talk rather than action was on brazen display in the run-up to the 1962 war. This was best illustrated by Nehru’s offhand remarks to reporters while leaving for Colombo on October 12: “Our instructions are to free our territory. I cannot fix the date, that is entirely for the Army”. Such loose talk was a god-send to the Chinese communists to fix the date for their attack.

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  81. [I do not believe your clippings prove this adequately. There is tons of evidence of Andhra desire for Vishalandhra including Hyderabad *state* as well as other areas much before that. I believe the idea of Hyderabad as capital emerged as the andhra state formation became close to reality.]
    I cannot help, this is the only recorded proof we have from past. From the study I did the explicit call for Hyderabad as capital happened from Telangana leaders only. I cannot assert the same bcoz maybe I missed something that happened between 1948 and 1953. The clippings I have poseted definitely do not talk of Hyderabad as capital. In fact NG Ranga's views indicates readiness to accept Hyderabad as capital and not a demand or request for Hyderabad as capital.

    [I am not alleging a conspiracy here, just repuditing the idea of "you invited us" being flaunted by SAvadis.]
    Honestly, may I am the one to coin 'invited'. My intention was to poke rather than assert that everything happened bcoz of T leaders only.

    [I did not see Ramkishen Rao's letter submitted to SKC (BTW by whom). I am referring to the copy released by Narsing Rao from his father's archive.]
    You contradict youself of "I take assertions....". I told you explicitly that submission to SKC. This is available on many sites on internet. If you want to you can get it under RTI.
    Firest I saw it submitted by one Vijay Burgula on ourtelangana.com. Found same scanned stuff to SKC. But you claim by that copy released by Narsinga Rao.

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  82. [I do not believe your clippings prove this adequately. There is tons of evidence of Andhra desire for Vishalandhra including Hyderabad *state* as well as other areas much before that. I believe the idea of Hyderabad as capital emerged as the andhra state formation became close to reality.]
    I cannot help, this is the only recorded proof we have from past. From the study I did, the explicit call for Hyderabad as capital happened from Telangana leaders only. I cannot assert the same bcoz maybe I missed something that happened between 1948 and 1953. The clippings I have posted definitely do not talk of Hyderabad as capital. In fact NG Ranga's view indicates readiness to accept Hyderabad as capital and not a demand or request for Hyderabad as capital.

    [I am not alleging a conspiracy here, just repuditing the idea of "you invited us" being flaunted by SAvadis.]
    Honestly, may be I am the one to coin 'invited'. My intention was to poke rather than assert that everything happened bcoz of T leaders only.

    [I did not see Ramkishen Rao's letter submitted to SKC (BTW by whom). I am referring to the copy released by Narsing Rao from his father's archive.]
    You contradict youself of "I take assertions....". I told you explicitly that submission to SKC. This is available on many sites on internet. If you want to you can get it under RTI.
    Firest I saw it submitted by one Vijay Burgula on ourtelangana.com. Found same scanned stuff to SKC. But you claim by that copy released by Narsinga Rao.

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  83. In couple of post back Sujai claimed that Telangana movement is unique bcoz it was not lead by single leader and it is not run by KCR.
    Can he explain why Swamy Goud and Vithal of TNGO are running around KCR for Non-cooperation movement? Why do they need KCR to organize and tell how run this movement?

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  84. [I do not believe your clippings prove this adequately. There is tons of evidence of Andhra desire for Vishalandhra including Hyderabad *state* as well as other areas much before that. I believe the idea of Hyderabad as capital emerged as the andhra state formation became close to reality.]
    I cannot help, this is the only recorded proof we have from past. From the study I did, the explicit call for Hyderabad as capital happened from Telangana leaders only. I cannot assert the same bcoz maybe I missed something that happened between 1948 and 1953. The clippings I have posted definitely do not talk of Hyderabad as capital. In fact NG Ranga's view indicates readiness to accept Hyderabad as capital and not a demand or request for Hyderabad as capital.

    [I am not alleging a conspiracy here, just repuditing the idea of "you invited us" being flaunted by SAvadis.]
    Honestly, may be I am the one to coin 'invited'. My intention was to poke rather than assert that everything happened bcoz of T leaders only.

    [I did not see Ramkishen Rao's letter submitted to SKC (BTW by whom). I am referring to the copy released by Narsing Rao from his father's archive.]
    You contradict youself of "I take assertions....". I told you explicitly that submission to SKC. This is available on many sites on internet. If you want to you can get it under RTI.
    Firest I saw it submitted by one Vijay Burgula on ourtelangana.com. Found same scanned stuff to SKC. But you claim by that copy released by Narsinga Rao.

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  85. I'm the original Hyderabad who said Hyd should be separate state. The other Hyderabadi is probably a Telangana Hyderabadi who is in the 30% minority.

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  86. Now a days every a$$hole claims he is the original Hyderabadi! All you idiots out there, the only original Hyderabadi is the one who belongs to Hyderabad, telangana and India, in the order it was mentioned. That means, a true Hyderabadi no matter how long he lived, whatever religion he belongs, whatever language he speaks, should realize that, he is part of Hyderbad and Telangana. Otherwise, just get the hell out of this place!

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  87. Separate Hyd as UT is the only solution... No one is denying Telangana... the issue is about the frontiers of the T state. Have respect for the wishes of Hyderabadis as T-vadis demand for

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  88. http://www.aeinstein.org/organizationsc5ed.html


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/middleeast/14egypt-tunisia-protests.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hpw


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjb_fuvdzhU

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  89. sera said...

    >> Actually I am not. They will arise in #4 too. But I feel they will be more manageable. And will normalize with time through the wheels of history.

    Why will the "wheels of history" not work in # 5?

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  90. sera said...

    >> You say only Option 5. Option 5 is a definite no for people like me (that is if we matter by your consideration).

    yes, ofcourse you (non-Telugus) matter. Most of *you* are with us. Even those who oppose seperation (like MIM) do not buy "your" argument that Hyderabad is seperate from Telangana.

    And then there is the "wheels oof history"

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  91. @ jai

    Why will the "wheels of history" not work in # 5?

    For sort of the same reason(s) they did not work in Option # 1.

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  92. @ Jai

    yes, ofcourse you (non-Telugus) matter. Most of *you* are with us. Even those who oppose seperation (like MIM) do not buy "your" argument that Hyderabad is seperate from Telangana.

    Thanks for that.

    The most of *you* you speak to seem to be different from the most of whom whom I speak to. Its a large city ;-) I understand.

    And as for MIM you seem to be going by what they speak. Note that they have not commented on the SKC and neither on Option # 4 yet.

    Apart from that Sujai's own article will give you a better idea of the curious case of MIM. Just check it out on this very blog. And that is not what SUjai says, anyone moving in political circle knows that fully well. This is there chance to be king or kingmaker in Hyderabad. They do not want UT of course what they want to fight is for statehood and Option # 4 falls in their lap very well. From whatever sources I know they want to fight for a Option # 4 state rather than a UT and agree for some revenue share for a period of time (maybe long) for the other three regions.

    And SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI also makes it very clear in this video at youtube.com/watch?v=Ia-wTUOQ1Sc where he says let Telangana form with Warangal as capital.

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  93. @ Jai

    yes, ofcourse you (non-Telugus) matter. Most of *you* are with us. Even those who oppose seperation (like MIM) do not buy "your" argument that Hyderabad is seperate from Telangana.

    Thanks for that.

    The most of *you* you speak to seem to be different from the most of whom whom I speak to. Its a large city ;-) I understand.

    And as for MIM you seem to be going by what they speak. Note that they have not commented on the SKC and neither on Option # 4 yet.

    Apart from that Sujai's own article will give you a better idea of the curious case of MIM. Just check it out on this very blog. And that is not what SUjai says, anyone moving in political circle knows that fully well. This is there chance to be king or kingmaker in Hyderabad (in fact it is the only state in India where they can spire to that). You think they will lose that chance?

    They do not want UT of course what they want to fight is for statehood and Option # 4 falls in their lap very well. From whatever sources I know they want to fight for a Option # 4 state rather than a UT and agree for some revenue share for a period of time (maybe long) for the other three regions.

    And SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI also makes it very clear in this video at youtube[dot]com/watch?v=Ia-wTUOQ1Sc where he says let Telangana form with Warangal as capital.

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  94. @SLB:

    >> Jai, this is most irritating thing about many T-vaadis.

    I can not watch every program you do.

    >> sayudha poraatam rendu moodu zillalaku maatrame parimitamainadi

    This is true, it was limited to 3 districts.

    >>Actually this is enough for me to stop discussin further

    Your choice, I can't force you to a discussion

    >> I am no different.

    Probably so but your comment "not only they (you mean me here?) do not try to gather facts but simply dismiss the others say" does not corroborate an assertion of good faith.

    >> Onus of proff rests with them

    As an example, how can Narsing Rao prove the letter was actually written by his father? I believe him when he says it is from the family's archives. It is possible Narsing Rao is not publishing other letters that may not be so supportive of his claim. His opponents should bring these out rather than casting aspersions or implying he forged it.

    Similarly, when Prof. Jayashankar (or Lagadapati for that matter) quotes a newspaper of the 1950's, I take it at face value instead of demanding he produce a scabn copy on WWW.

    >> I took few hours to get exact names and text from Google books as I wanted concrete proof before brining out

    Good for you but not everything is on WWW

    >> I would not care Prof. Kodandaram or Prof. Samuel

    I do. I accept every source they provide at face value and focus on interpretation, not base research

    >> I would definitely accept his views had he been not a direct party to movement. His college career started with a boycott during 'idli-sambar' go back

    Not only Prof. Jayashankar, 90% (or more) of those who are providing "info" on the subject have a direct role. None of these guys can be considered neutral. I take all their *sourced info* at face value and all *views* of everyone (neutral or activist) with a pich of salt.

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  95. @Sera:

    >> For sort of the same reason(s) they did not work in Option # 1

    Can you please elaborate this, thanks. Please focus on how it "might" work in # 4 e.g. any intrinsic differences between 4 vs. 10 districts

    >> Thanks for that

    I reiterate my steadfast view that Telangana is for everyone who lives here irrespecive of language or religion. This is what "panchaveni sangam" is all about.

    >> And as for MIM you seem to be going by what they speak

    I am not going by Sujai's interpretation because I did not even read the specific post. I have my own network in the pro-MIM Muslims.

    >> This is there chance to be king or kingmaker in Hyderabad (in fact it is the only state in India where they can spire to that). You think they will lose that chance?

    MIM is already the kingmaker at the city level. Their ambitions go beyond the city. The larger the state, the better it is for them. This is why their preferences are 1, 3 & 5 in that order.

    >> SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI also makes it very clear

    Do you mean Asad or Akbar? I rarely watch videos due to bandwidth & other problems.

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  96. @Anonymous
    Now a days every a$$hole claims he is the original Hyderabadi! All you idiots out there, the only original Hyderabadi is the one who belongs to Hyderabad, telangana and India, in the order it was mentioned. That means, a true Hyderabadi no matter how long he lived, whatever religion he belongs, whatever language he speaks, should realize that, he is part of Hyderbad and Telangana. Otherwise, just get the hell out of this place!
    You can call people a$$holes or whatever you want but that doesn't mean you are right. It only shows your frustration. I'm a Hyderabadi and Indian but not Telanganite. Hyderabadi is different from Telanganite. The sooner you understand the better it is. Look at the math I did in my earlier comment. Telangana hyderabadis are only 30% of Hyd population. If you think the math is incorrect, feel free to correct it. But don't make blanket statements like all Hyderabadis which is BS.

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  97. @Hyderabadi:

    You are confusing between anti-seperate Telangana & non-Telangana. MIM supports united AP (as first choice) but considers Hyderabad as an integral part of Telangana.

    It is a myth that non-Telugu Hyderabadis consider themselves different. I provided several names of those who are supporting Telangana seperation. Sera could not provide a single name when I asked him.

    Another myth is to call the pro-united AP seemandhra guys as Hyderabadis (or labeling them as pro-option 4). They consider Hyderabad as an integral part of AP. I believe they are wrong: what about you?

    Most of the "KPHB andhras" don't understand Urdu, never seen Charminar and care only about their own people (or caste). They will never mix with the "original natives".

    I have no objection to your fighting for Hyderabad seperate from Telangana.

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  98. @ Jai

    Can you please elaborate this, thanks. Please focus on how it "might" work in # 4 e.g. any intrinsic differences between 4 vs. 10 districts

    Its the same of 23 vs 10 districts. Just extrapolate the same reasons.

    MIM is already the kingmaker at the city level.

    But city is not a state with its own assembly. We are comparing groundnuts with almonds. Their idea of Option # 3 is just an excuse to get their other option of Hyderabad state.

    I have my own network in the pro-MIM Muslims.

    Ask them. And they will tell you. There's no point talking to MIM voters or sympathizers. Talk to anyone in their party structure - a corporator or MLA or so.

    Do you mean Asad or Akbar? I rarely watch videos due to bandwidth & other problems.

    No. The father of both.

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  99. I can not watch every program you do.
    I agree with you 100%.
    But how can you assert something that you did not watch?
    Is it not obvious that you are chose see and hear only that suits your argument?

    I can continue to reply your queries. But I do not see any purpose. You are trying to hide behind ignorance.
    Ignorance is bliss but not innocence.

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  100. @ SLB

    You are trying to hide behind ignorance.

    I too had that doubt when I said;

    And SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI also makes it very clear in this video at youtube[dot]com/watch?v=Ia-wTUOQ1Sc where he says let Telangana form with Warangal as capital.

    FOr which Jai replied.

    Do you mean Asad or Akbar? I rarely watch videos due to bandwidth & other problems.

    This actually surprised me for a person who claims he has some pro-MIM friends/network.

    Anyway I wanted to give the benefit of doubt to him and so I replied that he is the father of both. For all the so-called names Jai quotes, I am surprised that he could not not know/heard SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI (also called Salar-e-Millat - six times MP from Hyderabad).

    You should watch that video SLB if you understand the language. SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI states clearly without mincing words that let Telangana be formed with Warangal as capital and let Hyderabad be separate.

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  101. @Hyderabadi,

    The old city is in a pathetic condition today...
    Just thinking about all the problems of old Hyderabad and the extreme cases of urban poverty makes me uneasy.....

    There is a stand still on all development activities,be it education,employment,health-care,infrastructure and what not...
    Infact the situation is getting worse by the day...

    While there has been growth in several parts of the city,the older parts remain untouched inspite of being situated in the heart of Hyderabad...


    The MIM and the existing UAP has failed to bring in development,so the people have every right to question their leaders for their present apathies,and look for better opportunities.....

    Please refrain from playing into the hands of capitalists(and particularly over ambitious types like sera..)who are on the look out for an opportunity,to seize power in the new state at the cost of democracy....

    The dynasty politics have never benefited the common man,except the so called kings,king makers and their accountants....

    The only ones who are against option 5 are people,who are with the SA group for their own material benefits or are quite comfortable with their corrupt politics...

    The new state is already offering many decent packages,while the old one has repeatedly failed us,in providing even basic facilities...

    The young and the educated people of Hyderabad refuse to live under the same conditions,and rightfully so...

    It's time for a new Hyderabad,a confident Hyderabad,an educated Hyderabad.It is for the FIRST time,that the opportunity and power rests with us,the common people and not the elite or political classes....

    Should we lose this opportunity,we are going to have a repeat of the very same dynasty politics that we suffer from,today....


    Think wise and think smart....

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  102. @ Lavanya

    The new state is already offering many decent packages

    Is it? And which new state is that. And who leads that? And what are those packages by the way?

    I am waiting to be educated and informed.

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  103. @sera,

    I am least interested in educating the uninterested...


    My apologies for that...

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  104. I am least interested in educating the uninterested...


    My apologies for that...


    That's ok. But please tell me what new packages you want once the state of Hyderabad (as in Option # 4) is formed.

    We are presently collecting opinions and would like everyone to participate in it ;-)

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  105. @SLB,

    I fail to understand your fascination for the past....
    It is not imperative to the present scenario in any way...

    There is absolutely no need for us to keep harrowing each other over the past...

    I do not find it interesting to dig up past proposals,and end up on a fault finding trip....

    While we both agree that separation is a valid and just demand,it is not necessary to cry over who,what,when or why...

    The terms of separation will never be neat,as long as accountants and in-betweener's try to encash the confusion regarding the Capital...

    Personally,I would hate to see Hyderabad in the hands of another dynasty.....
    The Owaisi's pain me as much as the Gandhi's...

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  106. @Sera:

    >> Its the same of 23 vs 10 districts. Just extrapolate the same reasons.

    If it works with 4, it can work with 10/23. If it failed with 23, it can fail with 10/4.

    >> But city is not a state with its own assembly

    Sure, a bigger state (like united AP) is better than RTG, RTG (# 3) is better than TG (# 5) which in turn is better south TG (aka # 4).

    >> Ask them. And they will tell you

    I will

    >> No. The father of both

    Do you know the approx date of the video? As I recall Salahuddin died over 2 years ago. I will try to watch the video.

    >> This actually surprised me for a person who claims he has some pro-MIM friends/network

    I know of Salahuddin and met him a few times. I am not his follower to call him "salar" or "sher-e-deccan".

    >> For all the so-called names Jai quotes

    I am surprised you don't recognize the names I quoted.

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  107. SLB said...

    >> But how can you assert something that you did not watch?

    Which one did I assert?

    >> But I do not see any purpose

    Your choice

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  108. >> You should watch that video SLB if you understand the language

    Bhaijaan, asli Hyderabadi hai to zaroor Urdu samjhega. Urdu se wohi waqib nahin hai jo pichle dus saal mein andhra se chala aaya.

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  109. //But please tell me what new packages you want once the state of Hyderabad (as in Option # 4) is formed.
    We are presently collecting opinions and would like everyone to participate in it ;-)//

    If you failed to do that before submitting your report to the SKC,doesn't your opinion collection sound shallow,now...;-)

    There is,like you said a silent educated class,whose opinion is going to matter....and we refuse to be privy to the dictates of the old corrupted and dilapidated politics of Hyderabad...

    Rest assured we will fight tooth and nail to move away from any kind of dynasty politics in Hyderabad...

    We do not want to hang on to dead branches,we are willing to work our selves off into making Hyderabad the new destination to be in....

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  110. @SLB,

    //Even I thought I will start my own blog to counter arguments of T-vaadis.//

    Please do....

    This blog is a forum,a lot of people like me look forward to,since it encourages free speech....

    Sujai,has a great regard for free speech,even at the cost of being abused and misunderstood by people like you'll,and we have come to respect his decision and his stand,on it....

    What aspect of being given a forum for free speech do you'll fail to understand???

    You fail to see the patience and perseverance that man shows in respecting democracy of speech,and yet claim to a lion's share on HIS blog expressing yourself.....

    If you cannot respect his ideologies or his opinions,please stop yourself from visiting,and create your own forums....

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  111. sera:

    You do not know history, can’t understand history, and you do not provide a reason or rationale for your demands, except exerting your right to your opinion. You are like a petulant MLA in state assembly proceedings who grabs the mike and starts shouting only one slogan without making a case for it. No matter what’s the topic, you bring Option 4 into it. You jump and thump on the tables disturbing the proceedings. That’s when the ‘democratic right to express your opinion’ stops and the ‘right of speaker to kick you out using the guards’ takes over. That’s what I did when I forbid you from this forum.

    But looks like you belong to a clan of shameless creatures. You linger on. No wonder you don’t understand what ‘self-respect’ means. No wonder you don’t understand the basic premise of Telangana Movement.

    You don’t want to be with Telangana, you look down upon Telangana people, but then how come you lived so long in Telangana all these years? You say you are OK with Telangana as long as other regions are part of the state, like Marathwada and Karnatak. But you were not living in those regions; you were living inside Telangana. So, you are OK as long as Telangana doesn’t exist on its own but only when others rule region, like Nizam? I guess Nizam’s rule was favoring you as ‘elites’ but not the majority locals. And you were OK with that.

    For the last 54 years you lived in Telangana as part of United Andhra Pradesh. Why was that status OK with you? Just because Seemandhras were in control? So you are saying that you are OK to live in Telangana as long as Telanganas are not in control, but the day Telanganas come into control, you don’t want to live with them?

    Unless you or your family has acquired some lands or assets illegally from which gets protected under the present setup, I don’t see a reason why you would oppose Telanganas from gaining controlling the power over Telangana. You must fear the prospect of Telanganas coming to power and uncovering your scams in the whole process.

    You don’t want to live with Telangana and you don’t find anything common with them. So, on what basis do you claim their lands in Option 4? Why should you take lands and people of Telangana into your Union Territory when you don’t want anything to do with people or region of Telanganas? How do you plan to live with Telanganas in that Union Territory when you can’t live with them in separate Telangana?

    Or is it your premise that Telanganas will not be the rulers in UT? They will be only will be used as slaves and workers, like under Nizam or Seemandhra rule?

    It has become clear now that MIM and Muslims in old city Hyderabad do not support Option 2 or Option 4. They made it clear that they favor Option 1, followed by Option 3 and then Option 5. [My blog that you keep citing is one year old; the video you cite is two years old. Lot has changed between then and now. Even Chiranjeevi said two years ago that he supports separate Telangana]. And yet, you seem to club their numbers in your favor to support Option 4. On what basis do you assume their support when they have explicitly said they don’t favor Option 4?

    On what basis do you claim Srisailam and Nagarjunasagar projects for yourself? Is there a rationale for it? Don’t you realize that Option 4 was created only to punish Telanganas by depriving them of these two essential water sources? Don’t you have any sympathy for the region and its people where you lived for so long? How selfish and shameless some settlers can be?

    Contd…

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  112. [Continued from previous comment]

    You raise the bogey of Telangana becoming communist. It’s the same bogey our detractors raise to deny us our freedoms. Is a fear good enough to deprive freedom and statehood to its people? Wasn’t Churchill afraid that India would go to dogs, that it would become communist, if India became free?

    Do you know that most of our national leaders dabbled with communism before we became independent? Nehru, et al, believed in communist ideology at some point of time. Right now, there is a separate communist party in Telangana which promotes communist ideologies and they are a small minority. TRS, Congress, BJP, MIM, etc, are not communist parties and together they make an overwhelming majority. You should understand the difference between being socialist and being communist. The school you went to must have been a crappy one.

    Your bogey of this state becoming communist is bereft of any rationale or reason. Your fears are unfounded. But you still stick to them. And you think your fears are so genuine that you could go ahead and punish the region wherein you lived for ‘400 years’.

    Your antipathy towards the people of this region, your arrogance, your supremacist ideologies, your treatment of locals, shows us what kind of enemy we are fighting within. Telangana Movement is not just about fighting external enemies, but the enemies within. You are far bigger and insidious enemy of Telangana than Seemandhras.

    [I rarely use the kind of language I used against you. It was a bit deliberate. I wanted to understand how ‘shameless’ and ‘selfish’ our enemy is. I think I understand that. Now, I politely ask you to quit the forum so that you don’t add nuisance anymore here].

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  113. Lavanya,

    Reg. past
    There are many T-vaadis who demand T-state for many right reasons. But the bunch that makes difference used 'discrimination' as the agenda. They are the ones to start with 'forced merger'. Unless this argument is not settled, they will continue to use it for every mistake deliberate or otherwise, committed in united state. As long as they pose 'victims', it is impossible to move ahead of the discussion.
    Needless to say Sujai is one of that bunch. These guys start with 'forced merger' and 'blame all SAs' for whatever happened in last 54 years.

    I sincerely request you to take a netural stand and read articles by Prof. Jayashankar, Retd. CE Sridhar Deshpande and many more available at ourtelangana.com, telangana.org, simplytelengana.com. I also request you to read similar articles at telanganautsav.com and vepachedu.org. You will understand the difference. All want T state but approaches are different. There is another site myteluguroots.com which is anyway on the otherside. It is upto you if you want to dig into that.

    After going through them. Just answer one question to youself.
    Why T-vaadis are raking up pre-merger comments by the then leaders?
    You will find answer on why I am talking of past.

    By this I do not mean bcoz merger was not forced everything is fine.
    Defintely all other events after merger must be discussed. It is very importanat see role of all parties in the happenings. It is absolutely unfair to throw entire blame on one side by hiding nbehind "forced merger"

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  114. Telangana is going to be a reality,but Hyderabad is not going to a part of Telangana.

    http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id=26988&cat=1&scat=4

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  115. Madam,

    hope you read Sujai's lengthy double comment on sera. Since he owns the blog and puts some trash he wants to stick to that trash only.
    Almost all of his blogs were only to generate negative opinion about SAs. Nowhere he tried to conclude his blog or correct the blog.
    You call this free-speech?

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  116. Madam,

    you call one-sided view as free-speech? Also heckling others is free-speech? Asking them to do home-work is free-speech?
    Further where are the limits for free-speech? What are the rules?
    When somebody brings up Sujai's background he says it is irrelevant to discussions.
    Calling names an entire community is free-speech but questioning individual is hurting one's rights?

    Can I ask you one simple question? Some SAs calling Telanganas lazy is insult or free speech? Say they utter it casually.


    Sujai,has a great regard for free speech
    Then he should not be taking exceptions to what others say. Why he is so worried about sera's comments here?
    Sujai deserves abuses for lowly opinion he creates about other participants. He had never shown magnanimity of learned person(of course he is not one anyway, he is only educated).
    He ridicules saying 'do your home work', 'go back to school', '3rd grade student' etc.


    HIS blog
    I will not accept, He should had allowed participation by identity/invitation only. He never prevented participants like Aditya (who posted even inhuman comments).

    I have seen and read enough of Sujais, since preparation to Iraq war.
    I am sure you know the basic philosophy behind advertising. These people apply the same.

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  117. Madam,

    you call one-sided view as free-speech? Also heckling others is free-speech? Asking them to do home-work is free-speech?
    Further where are the limits for free-speech? What are the rules?
    When somebody brings up Sujai's background he says it is irrelevant to discussions.
    Calling names an entire community is free-speech but questioning individual is hurting one's rights?

    Can I ask you one simple question? Some SAs calling Telanganas lazy is insult or free speech? Say they utter it casually.


    Sujai,has a great regard for free speech
    Then he should not be taking exceptions to what others say. Why he is so worried about sera's comments here?
    Sujai deserves abuses for lowly opinion he creates about other participants. He had never shown magnanimity of learned person(of course he is not one anyway, he is only educated).
    He ridicules saying 'do your home work', 'go back to school', '3rd grade student' etc.


    HIS blog
    I will not accept, He should had allowed participation by identity/invitation only. He never prevented participants like Aditya (who posted even inhuman comments).

    I have seen and read enough of Sujais, since preparation to Iraq war.
    I am sure you know the basic philosophy behind advertising. These people apply the same.

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  118. Madam,

    you call one-sided view as free-speech? Also heckling others is free-speech? Asking them to do home-work is free-speech?
    Further where are the limits for free-speech? What are the rules?
    When somebody brings up Sujai's background he says it is irrelevant to discussions.
    Calling names an entire community is free-speech but questioning individual is hurting one's rights?

    Can I ask you one simple question? Some SAs calling Telanganas lazy is insult or free speech? Say they utter it casually.


    Sujai,has a great regard for free speech
    Then he should not be taking exceptions to what others say. Why he is so worried about sera's comments here?
    Sujai deserves abuses for lowly opinion he creates about other participants. He had never shown magnanimity of learned person(of course he is not one anyway, he is only educated).
    He ridicules saying 'do your home work', 'go back to school', '3rd grade student' etc.


    HIS blog
    I will not accept, He should had allowed participation by identity/invitation only. He never prevented participants like Aditya (who posted even inhuman comments).

    I have seen and read enough of Sujais, since preparation to Iraq war.
    I am sure you know the basic philosophy behind advertising. These people apply the same.

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  119. the current telangana is a dream of velama doras, reddy patels and brahmin patwaris.....

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  120. Reality is the current seperatists are feudal velama doras, reddy patels and brahmin patwaris

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  121. Hyderabad as seperate state is like...two cats fighting for a piece of cocunut piece and a monkey comes in the way and takes the cocunut piece. seperate hyderabad is not viable as it is not beneficial to any Telugu.

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  122. @SLB,

    //Why T-vaadis are raking up pre-merger comments by the then leaders?
    You will find answer on why I am talking of past.//

    I have already mentioned that,the circumstances between 1948-1956 and 1956-1968 cannot and should not be given much weight in solving today's problem....

    India was busy setting itself up on its own after several decades....
    There have been blunders and there have been bigger blunders....

    We were prepared to deal with a few issues like poverty,education, employment etc... and a few like the Border wars and non-alignment in international politics caught us unaware's...

    I have mentioned a couple of posts ago that,India's continuous problems with our neighbours in Pakistan and China,during the 60's and 70's led to Telangana's apathy....


    Today,someone pasted this link,and it shows India was under a lot of International duress and any deviation from within wouldn't hold much water in those situations....
    The timing had been wrong...

    http://chellaney.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4913C7C8A2EA4A30!228.entry


    Have you heard of the phrase "protection of existing uses"???
    Well,India was under severe stress and it could only handle a few of the then existing problems....It just chose to protect the then existing situation,Agreements or not for which Kashmir suffered then,and Telangana suffers now.......

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  123. few hard realities

    1. The recent TRS wins have made it impossible for seperate state formation. Congress is afraid that TRS may sweep Telangana.
    2. The common man ( non dora, patel, patel) is afraid about punaravratam of dora rajyam
    3. KCR is not interested in seperate state. His interest lies in increasing his 10000 crore shipping business in gujarat.

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  124. few hard realities

    1. The recent TRS wins have made it impossible for seperate state formation. Congress is afraid that TRS may sweep Telangana.
    2. The common man ( non dora, patel, patwari) is afraid about resurjence of feudal state
    3. KCR is not interested in seperate state. His interest lies in increasing his 10000 crore shipping business in gujarat. Adding few more ships at kandla port.

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  125. Why you all folks are dawdling your precious time in maintaining and contributing in this blog when KCR is not in favor of seperate state?

    Please spend your time in increasing GDP of INDIA.

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  126. I pity fellow Telugus. If some stupid idiot says Jai Telangana you say Jai T. If some stupid idiot says Jai Seema Andhra you say Jai SA, If some stupid idiot says Jai Rayalaseema you will say Jai R and the story continues...SKC made it very clear that there are no major disparities between costa and nijam. uttara kosta and rayalaseema are most back ward. then comes south telangana. Top of the list is central kosta and second in north telangana in terms of development. so if some stupid wants to divide state on develpment norms state has to be divided into

    North Nizam
    Hyd
    South Nizam
    North Kosta
    Central Kosta
    South Kosta
    RayalSeema

    Any takers????

    think we can accomodate 6 cms, 6 hms etc....

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  127. And KCR, Sujai, Green Star, POK, Sera, SLB ........all can become CM's or ministers :-)

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  128. @Anonymous,

    //where are the limits for free-speech? What are the rules?//

    Exactly....
    Who will decide the limits of free speech???
    I always maintained that freedom of expression should not be misused,by the makers of law or its followers.....It remains with one's self and the dignity with which they claim it....

    //When somebody brings up Sujai's background he says it is irrelevant to discussions.
    Calling names an entire community is free-speech but questioning individual is hurting one's rights?//

    Absolutely.When the person has repeatedly requested from keeping away from personal matters,it is for the other party to elevate itself and respect that....

    It is not that we have to agree with him on all counts...and some of us have had heated debates on a few matters as well...

    Well,I can only say that debating is different from argument...If you understand the difference..

    //Can I ask you one simple question? Some SAs calling Telanganas lazy is insult or free speech? Say they utter it casually.//

    What do you think it is,free speech or an insult???

    //Sujai,has a great regard for free speech
    Then he should not be taking exceptions to what others say. Why he is so worried about sera's comments here?//

    We all have our perspectives and boundaries,but pulling someone's personal life into any public form of a debate can make it an extremely disturbing trend...


    //Sujai deserves abuses for lowly opinion he creates about other participants.//

    Sujai,might deserve a little better than that for letting an anonymous person,form an opinion and express it respectably....
    Trust me,this blog has seen worse days...

    //HIS blog
    I will not accept, He should had allowed participation by identity/invitation only. He never prevented participants like Aditya (who posted even inhuman comments)//

    At the cost of sounding contradictory,we have requested him to delete anonymous and unknown i.d options several times....He refused to do that,even during the worst debates during critical times, today,I respect that opinion...

    But,when some of them repeatedly badger him with the same questions and lowly opinions and repeatedly take personal pot shots,he is right in being defensive...

    Today,if he refuses to indulge in it anymore,we should respect that decision and wish him well...

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  129. @ Sujai

    [I rarely use the kind of language I used against you. It was a bit deliberate. I wanted to understand how ‘shameless’ and ‘selfish’ our enemy is. I think I understand that. Now, I politely ask you to quit the forum so that you don’t add nuisance anymore here].

    I have seen you insulting people's intelligence in worser terms than this at an individual level. I could also say that I wanted to understand how "violent", "unreasonable" and "dictatorial" the new aspirants of the state can be and you proved it well.

    You have asked the SAs to "migrate". You have asked me to "migrate". And you think all of that is polite. You have told us that our education and IQ is lowly. Who is acting supreme here is clear to many which may of course be not clear to you?

    As for me quitting the forum, I told you earlier you could ban my comments. You have the tools and the power (as much as power you have to force us "to migrate" jew-style from this place which also you have expressed many times earlier as a desire).

    That has always been our fear and looks like you are proving it. The fear that you want to kick out everyone once the state is formed or ask them to "politely" quit.

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  131. @ sera:

    As for me quitting the forum, I told you earlier you could ban my comments. You have the tools and the power (as much as power you have to force us "to migrate" jew-style from this place which also you have expressed many times earlier as a desire).

    You have been abundantly clear on this blog that you single-mindedly and with all the life in you, support Option - 4.

    We got the message. We know where your vote goes. We know what your opinion is.

    Now that you have expressed your single point agenda on this blog for the past 4 months, posting around 3-4 thousand comments here, and increasing the number of hits on this blog... thus making it come up first on a Telangana related searches.... I have to thank you for your participation.

    Moving on to your purpose here... we got your point.

    I have encouraged you to take your placards and gather support for your cause... and wished you good luck in moving your "wishes" from blog-comments to some real action.

    Take this as our word that all readers of this blog completely (without a speck of doubt in our minds) know what you want. We will trust you will put your words into action and we wish you well.

    Now, kindly... stop repeating the SAME song. It is getting monotonous and you are not making any progress on your cause as you are the only person with the same IP posting the comments with different names here. You are not representative of many people... and your individual opinion has been heard. Your job on this forum (of expressing your opinion and using your freedom of speech) is over. Your job is OVER. Now, move on to some action.

    Let us leave it to Sujai what he should or should not do with his blog. For all practical and legal purposes, he OWNS this blog and owns his opinions too. You do not have a claim on either.

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  132. Anonymous said...

    >> I pity fellow Telugus

    Why do you guys always think in terms of "Telugus" as an identity.

    @Sera: how come you did not notice this linguistic fanaticism rampant among the andhra folks?

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  133. @ Jai

    @Sera: how come you did not notice this linguistic fanaticism rampant among the andhra folks?

    I noticed that very well. And I have also noticed that the Telangana region people also identify with the same and side with them and gang up. In the process they side-line the non-telugu speaking people.

    I have seen it happening over the years and particularly and sadly in political parties (since the merger) where they have marginalized non-telugu speaking people. Take Congress for instance which had few non-telugu speaking people before. Show me some now?

    After the split of marathwada area and the karnatak areas the non-telugu speaking people lost all their status (and their numbers) and the "telugus" from both the regions got together and marginalized the other non-telugu speaking people.

    They become politically irrelevant and were relegated to businesses and other things.

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  134. @ Jai

    Of course the level of "fanaticism" for telugu is different between the SAs and TGs. The former being much more so.

    But the end result has always been unity among them till of course this spat since 2009.

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  135. SLB, sera, et al:

    You guys have NOT understood what freedom of speech means.

    Freedom of speech does not mean a guy can come into our housing community without permission, put up a dais and start giving speech.

    In short, freedom does not mean you have the freedom to piss in the middle of the road.

    Freedom of speech means you have a right to start a blog in which you can promote Option 4, in which you deride Telangana Movement, and if Sujai or anyone tries to block that website, then the state has to intervene to protect your right for self-expression however detestable that self-expression is from my perspective. Right to freedom of speech is enforced by the state, not by an individual or an entity.

    Freedom of speech does not mean you can write anything you want about the author who wrote a column in the THE HINDU and expect it to be published. THE HINDU will decide what it wants to publish.

    Freedom of speech does not mean you sit in the Assembly proceedings and disrupt every speech and every debate with your incessant slogans on Option 4. Speaker of the house can then exercise the right to throw you out for disrupting the proceedings.

    Let me answer some of your stupid comments here.

    you call one-sided view as free-speech? Also heckling others is free-speech? Asking them to do home-work is free-speech?

    One-sided view is ‘free-speech’. You can also have a blog where you promote one-sided view.
    Heckling is free-speech. Sometimes it can get you into trouble if you do not follow the norms. For example, if you heckle a judge in a court of law, you will be held for contempt. So, you should know where heckling is allowed and where it is not.
    Asking some stupid idiot to do his homework is not just free speech but even becomes a duty so that one can have a sane conversation.

    When somebody brings up Sujai's background he says it is irrelevant to discussions.

    Yes, I made it clear that you can use only the information provided by the author himself ON THIS FORUM to be used in the discussions. Try writing to THE HINDU about personal details of an author of a column and expect it to be published the next day.

    Calling names an entire community is free-speech but questioning individual is hurting one's rights?

    Setting rules for this blog is my prerogative. You have no right whatsoever on this blog to change those rules. As long as you conform I will allow your comments, otherwise I will delete them. If I delete those comments, I am not suppressing your right for self-expression. You can go and start a blog where you can write your comments.

    Contd…

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  136. @ Sujai

    Hey Sujai before you continue further this freedom of speech was brought by Anonymous. Not at least me.

    I always said ban me if you have to. I am only arguing and if you don't like my argument I said ban me like any newspaper does.

    But I never talked of freedom of speech. Hope that's clear.

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  137. [Continued from previous comment]

    Can I ask you one simple question? Some SAs calling Telanganas "lazy" is insult or free speech? Say they utter it casually.

    Seemandhras calling Telangana’s lazy is free-speech and can be construed as an insult to Telanganas. Telanganas may feel bad, but that doesn’t mean they can legally stop someone from calling them lazy. There is nothing illegal about calling someone lazy (unless it is clearly proscribed to do that). Not every insult is illegal.

    Sujai,has a great regard for free speech. Then he should not be taking exceptions to what others say. Why he is so worried about sera's comments here?

    Sujai is not ‘worried’ about sera’s comments.

    However Sujai is annoyed by sera’s comments which keep hijacking every discussion on this blog. Instead of sticking to the relevant topic where sera introduces 'Option 4' in every blog, even the one which discusses the movie, ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’. Such petulant kids who keep disrupting the class are asked to leave the class by the teacher. There’s no suppression of freedoms there if a petulant kid is kept out of the class.

    Sujai deserves abuses for lowly opinion he creates about other participants.

    You can go ahead and abuse me. As long as you do not use the swear words, and as long as you do not use any information available outside this forum, I allow those abuses. But then again, if they start becoming annoying as I described above, I may delete them.

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  138. sera:

    I always said ban me if you have to. I am only arguing and if you don't like my argument I said ban me like any newspaper does.

    No arguing with you there. I don't intend to ban anyone (unless that is required to restore the sanity on this forum).

    I expect people to be reasonable. You are being unreasonable. You are like a petulant kid who throws tantrums in every class and wails the same slogan no matter what the topic of discussion is.

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  139. However Sujai is annoyed by sera’s comments which keep hijacking every discussion on this blog. Instead of sticking to the relevant topic where sera introduces 'Option 4' in every blog, even the one which discusses the movie, ‘Jai Bolo Telangana’.

    Sujai, you fully know that this is not a discussion on a movie like a movie. This is not just an other movie like you have also posted.

    But still I have refrained from bringing up the topic that you accuse me of having brought up till I was taunted with your own statement;

    You don't understand Telugu though lived here for '400' years.

    So is that supposed to mean that non-telugus who do not learn telugu have no place or say in Hyderabad. You were proving my doubts when you said that and I replied back saying that you don't understand that Hyderabadi and TG are different.

    And I fully respect your right to ban me (Its your blog after all and your private property) and I congratulate you if you don't (for your libertarianism).

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  140. sera:

    Your reasoning power is amazingly low. It is sad that in our Telangana Movement we have to fight against people of all kinds.

    I wrote the following:

    These days Telangana is the ‘hep’ language, it is cool; it is in fashion. Today, Telangana is chic.

    To which you wrote:

    This mixture of language has always been cool and it is best evident in hinglish, telglish or in fact across the country for at least the past 15 years or so.

    Ask any ad guy and he/she will speak as if they coined it and in fact many times I have taken pains to explain to them that this is the case in Hyderabad before you people in Mumbai "thought" you invented it.

    What's so new about this discovery I fail to understand?


    You are confusing two things here. I write about two different things. One is that kids are speaking Telangana without being told to change their accents. Telangana is being considered 'cool' not just by the peers; even the parents are allowing it. When we were growing up, most parents chided their kids if they spoke Telangana (this was mostly a middle class phenomenon).

    Since you were completely oblivious to Telanganas, their lifestyle, and their history, how would you know this?

    The second is the gradual acceptance of the local lingo even in the media. When we were growing up, the newsreaders and radio commentators did not speak Telangana. Nowadays, it is being accepted.

    The only reason why you could not see the gradual change in the perception of the families (or mainstream media) in their acceptance of Telangana language is because you are oblivious to all of this, the way you are oblivious to the plight of Telangana people. You can't even see how Telanganas were discriminated in water - just because you never paid attention to it.

    To make this clear to you, I said the following:

    You don't understand Telugu though lived here for '400' years.

    By this I meant you don't understand the people of the region where you live.

    This was not to tell you that Hyderabadis are different from Telanganas, but to highlight your case and your case alone. Your apathy towards people and region of Telangana. That you do not see the difference between Andhras and Telanganas, that you don't see discrimination meted out to Telanganas, that you don't understand the gradual change in acceptance of Telangana in the mainstream.

    While I was highlighting your apathy and obliviousness (not as a case for Hyderabadis but as a case for sera), you introduced Option 4 once again into the discussion.

    Now, you understand why I get annoyed by your comments. They are so foolish that they lower the intellectual quality of the entire discussion.

    You make this discussion forum a pig sty. Pig loves to wrestle in the dirty wet mud, but in an effort to debate with one, we are also getting dirty. That's why I asked you to quit the forum so that some sanity can be restored.

    Now, what is bugging me is utter 'shamelessness'. Instead of starting your own blog for Option 4, you keep lowering the quality of the discussion here.

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  141. Sujai:

    "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it": George Bernard Shaw

    Good for you that you didn't ban these guys. They just want to go and whine "Sujai banned me" in their hate-Telangana sites.

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  142. @ Sujai and others

    This was not to tell you that Hyderabadis are different from Telanganas

    That's fine. But that's how it can be understood. All the "silent" discrimination and marginalization you accuse of others (read SAs) you seem to be practicing here (on non-telugu Hyderabadis).

    Instead of starting your own blog for Option 4, you keep lowering the quality of the discussion here.

    Maybe I will. Maybe I will not. But if you think that the quality of discussion will get better if Hyderabad is not discussed at all vis-a-vis Telangana (which is the bone of contention like you fully well know it) then I leave it to you.

    I know why I make it uncomfortable. It is not all the reasons you have quoted but because I am a Hyderabadi with roots who says we are not Telanganas. For some reason you seem to have conveniently imagined that Hyderabad is Telangana and vice versa. Looks lit is dawning upon you that it may not be the truth. And you are behaving like a child's dream is shattered.

    This is an idea that you seem to have romanticized from childhood and now find difficult to shake off.

    I will also look at other people's comments. If other people also do not want a discussion on the "status of Hyderabad" then I will refrain from posting and I will only respond to discussions relating to that in future.

    But if its "only you Sujai" who do not want it you are free to delete my comments. Its in your hands.

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  143. If other people also do not want a discussion on the "status of Hyderabad" then I will refrain from posting and I will only respond to discussions relating to that in future.

    My blog is no democracy.

    You can write your 'option 4' comments on the relevant posts.

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  144. I have already mentioned that,the circumstances between 1948-1956 and 1956-1968 cannot and should not be given much weight
    I am also of the same opinion. The can you or any T-vaadi explain why this period and actions during that period were brought into discussion?
    Were only SA leaders working for selfish ends while entire nation working in rebuilding honestly?

    I too read about wars India fought and internal external problems it faced. Amdist all these do you find only SA leaders and people culprits?

    Madam,
    I am genuinely at loss to understand you.
    Both Telangana and SA had similar impact of all the problems faced by India as a country. To put our Intelligent Arrogant PCs words 'no more ... no less...'.
    Then what makes Telangana 'victim' and SA villain?

    Have you heard of the phrase "protection of existing uses"?
    I heard it. In fact T-vaadis are against allocations done by Bachawat under such idea. :-)

    BTW, this blog is not right enough to discuss but I can list at least 10 most important strategic blunders committed by India, Nehru in particular, after independence.

    Telangana suffers now.......
    No way. Telangana is fine. Doing far better than 50-60 countries in the worlds and many regions in India. This sense of 'victimization' is figments of imaginations.

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  145. My blog is no democracy.

    You mean like "your" Telangana.

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  146. @Sujai:

    >> It has become clear now that MIM and Muslims in old city Hyderabad do not support Option 2 or Option 4

    MBT included seperate Telangana in its manifesto long ago. All major non-MIM Muslim leaders and other non-Telugus are clearly supporting Telangana.

    >> Lot has changed between then and now

    Yes, including change of guard in the MIM. Asad ("barrister Owaisi") is a pragmatic man unlike his cranky dad.

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  147. sera said...

    My blog is no democracy.

    You mean like "your" Telangana.

    @Sera:
    This is unfair and you know that. Please withdraw this, thank you.

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  148. Exactly....
    Who will decide the limits of free speech???

    You have not answered your own question. How do you (or Sujai) define them for this blog?

    Absolutely.When the person has repeatedly requested
    Then what about a person from a group or community requests the same? Has Sujai removed his blog "Why blame all Andhras?"?.

    Well,I can only say that debating is different from argument...If you understand the difference..
    Debates will not have potshots like "do your home work, less IQ...". In fact the initiator has more responsibility to maintain decorum.


    What do you think it is,free speech or an insult???
    Does counter question makes an answer?


    At the cost of sounding contradictory,we have requested him to delete anonymous and unknown
    Madamjee, we know the honesty behind these ideas. Anyone can become anonymous and say anything, right?


    Finally let me tell you. There is nothing noble in what Sujai does, at least w.r.t. Telangana. He has very mean ends.
    You want to be his fanboy(girl)? I have nothing to do.
    I am very clear in my mind.
    I have to make at least one other person realize that Sujai and his chamchaas are misusing the internet to spread hatred with false information. Period.

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  149. You guys have NOT understood what freedom of speech means
    Sujai,
    we do not have to, at least I. Your purpose of bringing Telangana topics into this blo is very clear. You are using it for 'consent generation' with loads of false information.
    I am seeing these tricks since Iraq war in 2003.

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  150. Good for you that you didn't ban these guys. They just want to go and whine "Sujai banned me" in their hate-Telangana sites.
    Hey! There is no need to carry the stench of this toilet somewhere else. Let us bury here itself.

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  151. My blog is no democracy.
    Hope fanboy(girl) read this.

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  152. @ Anonymous

    My blog is no democracy. Sujai said

    You mean like "your" Telangana. I, sera said

    @Sera:
    This is unfair and you know that. Please withdraw this, thank you.
    Anonymous said

    Please see the quotes around "your". It is solely directed at Sujai and no one other Tvaadi or anyone else.

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  153. @Sera:

    I understand you meant "Sujai's Telangana". This is unfair and you know it.

    Disagreeing with the blogger is OK but why waste time at a blog if you think the blogger is disagreeable.

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  154. @ Anonymous

    I understand you meant "Sujai's Telangana". This is unfair and you know it.

    Disagreeing with the blogger is OK but why waste time at a blog if you think the blogger is disagreeable.


    Agreed. I take it back. I guess I was carried away with his vituperative remarks.

    Anyway it is not fair on my part to make this comment. I fully agree. I take it back.

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  155. Mr. Manish Tiwari - congress has relegated T issue to this spokesperson. His favorite word is 'oxymorons' and his biggest achievement is blaming BJP/NDA for every issue. All that he know is 'counter-point'.

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  156. One of very important claims by T-vaadis is "90% of secretariat is filled up SAs".

    How should we interpret success of forth coming non-cooperation movement in secretariat?

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  157. @SLB,

    Development plank angle of separate Telangana is bull shit. SKC reveals the same. Secretariat, HMDA is full of T-guys. Recently when I went to HMDA Tarnaka, the guys was saying "Gippudu mottam Telangana olladi nadustunnad" - I could not but laugh at him.

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  158. http://business.in.com/article/special/telangana-divided-we-stand/21522/1

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  159. SLB,

    //How do you (or Sujai) define them for this blog?//

    Who according to you should have the right to decide for Sujai's blog????

    //Then what about a person from a group or community requests the same? Has Sujai removed his blog "Why blame all Andhras?"?.//

    Why should he???
    Did you even understand the context of the post???

    If a person finds his(Sujai's) freedom of expression objectionable,they are free not to visit his blog or comment on his "personal"opinions...

    You think,coming onto some one's personal forum and objecting to his stand on matters in all sorts of indecent ways is some sort of superiority????


    //Debates will not have potshots like "do your home work, less IQ...". In fact the initiator has more responsibility to maintain decorum.//

    They do...If the commenter does not maintain the dignity of the forum,or found to be engaging in unnecessary discussion,the initiator may take a suitable action against the commenter....

    There is definitely a lot of difference between expressing an opinion and trying to force it onto others,and some of you'll have done just that....

    Looks like you have limited your debating skills to irritate your friends,and forming ideologies like,"women need not be educated","Indian mothers are the best mothers in the world" and some such nonsense....

    //Does counter question makes an answer?//

    Now,is this a question or an answer???I find it unnecessary to discuss such frivolous matters,which have nothing in relation t the post or the discussion here....

    //Finally let me tell you. There is nothing noble in what Sujai does, at least w.r.t. Telangana. He has very mean ends.//

    How do you know???


    //I am very clear in my mind.
    I have to make at least one other person realize that Sujai and his chamchaas are misusing the internet to spread hatred with false information.//

    If according to you,we are mean about our methods,can you,sera or other SA's claim to fight our arguments like gentlemen????

    The war of words begins,only on provocation.And a few have accepted and apologised for the same...

    You,on the other hand,appear to be from a different school of thought..Wonder which one!!!!

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  160. SLB,

    Sujai said,
    //You guys have NOT understood what freedom of speech means//

    SLB said,
    //Sujai,
    we do not have to, at least I.//

    You do not understand,nor you have any inclination to understand the difference between free speech and an insult,yet,you claim to understand our argument in it's favour...

    You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism,yet,you go about the topic like a pro...

    You do not understand the problems the people of Hyderabad have suffered from,yet you offer solutions for the same....

    You cannot respect an opinion,and pass snide and cheap remarks against others(including me...), yet you want to be treated with dignity....

    It's people like you'll that degrade the level of a discussion...

    The sense to maintain dignity of any forum is as much the initiator,as it is on the commenter or visitor....

    The day you understand the difference between between the two,you will feel as light as a feather...
    Hope it is not too late.....

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  161. You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism,yet,you go about the topic like a pro...

    You do not understand the problems the people of Hyderabad have suffered from,yet you offer solutions for the same....

    You cannot respect an opinion,and pass snide and cheap remarks against others(including me...), yet you want to be treated with dignity....

    It's people like you'll that degrade the level of a discussion...


    Its people like you Lavanya ji who degrade the quality of this discussion. Sujai should understand that.

    I have been a guy who have taken back my comments on an "anonymous" suggestion or asking.

    All your words translate like the Nazi like the one below which was one of their points:

    I want everyone to keep what he has earned, subject to the principle that the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State ... The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners

    IS this what you want Madam Ji

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  162. Madamjee,

    you are back with same stuff "you do not know...", "you are lesser mortal".... as you put in previous topic.

    Enough of your lecturing skills. Use it for better pay/growth in your profession.

    As long as Sujai writes the same junk he will receive same response. Coz others have to know what he writes is junk. As a fan boy(girl) you can add some more junk.

    If you know enough about T background answer

    1. Is T a victim at all? If so who ALL are responsible for that?

    2. If there is loss, what is the quantum of loss and how do you measure?

    3. With 2 above what should be the solution now?

    BTW, you have not answered my questions from previous posts
    1. Saralakka or Salaramma
    2. Stories of Freedom struggle in Telangana.

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  163. One another important thing madamjee.

    One does not need to know any -isms to prove/disprove a simple truth.

    I told you already "truth is lost in color".
    More you paint worse even simple pain will be.

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  164. It could happen if the 8 districts of Hassan, Kodagu, Chitradurg, Tumkur, Kolar, Mandya, Mysore and Chamrajnagar gang up and ask for a separate "Kannadagana".

    Are you really an idiot or do you do your best to appear to be an idiot?

    The question was if immigrants of Bangalore ask to be separated from the region because ‘they are different’ from the rest of the region.

    The answer is that if those 8 districts asked for it then the immigrants will ask for it along with the other districts of Karnataka.

    Hope that clarifies.


    Sujai or you can't answer to that Madam ji.

    And then you get down to talk like you are idiots and such.

    Tell me what happens if every state with its capital and surrounding districts wants a separate state?

    Selfish?

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  165. @sera,

    You proclaim to be the self appointed Don Quixote of Hyderabad,and the true representative of the wishes of its people....
    I refuse to go by that nonsense...

    You are blind with your Colonist arrogance,and I refuse to call your views either libertarian or capitalist,because they are neither...

    You disagree to extend the very same courtesies of Libertarianism in someone's speech,but claim them for your material benefits...

    The pathetic conditions of old city and it's people do not move you.The hunger deaths and suicides do not pinch you.The apathy of the educated unemployed does not concern you...

    Seriously....

    And,regarding your comments....

    Does it even matter to you if the discussion is about Tunisia or Jharkhand,Jai bolo,or for that matter Article 3????You come back time and again to insult and disrupt any discussion,on any topic,and then demand to be treated well...That is just not going to work...

    Learn to respond first,and not react....

    And if you cannot,please step down from your high horse,and let the discussion take it's course...

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  166. @SLB,

    Honestly speaking,I do not comprehend your stand on Telangana...

    You colour almost every comment ,with some trash from the films and serials..Kindly spare me that nonsense...
    We have enough trash on the blog already.....We are responsible enough to try to keep our classes clean,irrespective of rouge elements....

    //1. Is T a victim at all? If so who ALL are responsible for that?//

    This is where you irritate me...
    You have claimed yourself that not all accusations pertaining to Telangana are untrue...
    That there is,in the true sense,a case for Telangana....
    Then,why should you restart the same old discussions,without the least interest to respect it...


    //2. If there is loss, what is the quantum of loss and how do you measure?//

    Kindly come up with a standard of measurement for loss of oppurtunity, emotional distress, political misrepresentation, unwillingness and inability to provide employment and better educational facilities,
    misappropriation of regional funds,and such,and we can discuss about the quantum of loss incurred by Telangana....

    //3. With 2 above what should be the solution now?//

    Grant Telangana,with Hyderabad as it's capital...Period.

    Regarding your other comments...

    Just some advice...
    I think you are not a father/mother(yet),if you are,then I suggest you help your better half,in the upbringing of your kids,instead of spending so much time on this blog.If you are not,I suggest you forbid yourself from becoming one....

    Indian parents are the best example of sacrifice and responsibilty,sometimes even at the cost of their own needs...With your irresponsible behaviour you might find it very difficult to adjust your lifestyle to your kids....

    Now,before some of you'll jump up and scream murder,let me bring it your notice that is something the great SLB has suggested to me a couple of weeks ago,I was just returning the favour...Hope you'll understand....

    Thank you...

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  167. >> We have enough trash on the blog already

    You are 1000% percent right. But some comments seem to make this blog palatable.

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  168. One More POTTI's Statue Destroyed by T-vadis in Hyderabad, Andhras can reataliate by destroying Statues of Telangana Personalities , wait......... they CANT because they dont have any.

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  169. We are responsible enough to try to keep our classes clean,irrespective of rouge elements....

    Here the teacher is rogue and some students are fighting to keep the class clean while the teacher is trying their best to turn everyone and the school rogue.

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  170. @ Lavanya Ji

    You proclaim to be the self appointed Don Quixote of Hyderabad,and the true representative of the wishes of its people....
    I refuse to go by that nonsense...


    We also refuse to go by the nonsense that Hyderabadi and Telangana are one and the same. They are totally different. And need to be separate.

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  171. [Honestly speaking,I do not comprehend your stand on Telangana...]
    You will not! Even if I write it in 10,000 words. Bcoz all that you want from everybody and anybody is talk in favor of Telangana and against SAs.

    [You colour almost every comment ,with some trash from the films and serials..Kindly spare me that nonsense...
    We have enough trash on the blog already.....We are responsible enough to try to keep our classes clean,irrespective of rouge elements....]

    :-) :-)
    A trash all T-vaadis banked on finally. And even Sujai writes a post about the same.

    [You have claimed yourself that not all accusations pertaining to Telangana are untrue...
    That there is,in the true sense,a case for Telangana....]

    So you want to award death sentence for unwitting mistake on circumstential evidence!

    [Kindly come up with a standard of measurement for loss of oppurtunity, emotional distress..]
    A new chapter in legal world. Even US legal system cannot evaluate such things. Be partical.

    [Grant Telangana,with Hyderabad as it's capital...Period.[
    What about SAs? Should they forego share in Hyderabad? Who will pay loans? How should they build their capital?

    [Regarding your other comments...]
    I am genuinmely concerned that madam is losing the creativity.

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  172. @ Sujai

    When we were growing up, most parents chided their kids if they spoke Telangana (this was mostly a middle class phenomenon).

    So you blame the Andhras? Nice and wonderful logic! We could also do the same and chide our kids who speak Hindi. Did we? It all sounds like the follows.

    'If a woman burns her thighs from the hot coffee she was holding in her lap while driving, she blames the restaurant. If you smoke three packs a day for 40 years and die of lung cancer, your family blames the tobacco company. If your daughter gets pregnant by the football captain, you blam the school for poor sex education.

    'If a neighbor crashes into a tree while driving home drunk, he blames the bartender. If a cousin gets AIDS because the needle he used to shoot up with heroin was dirty, he blames the government for not providing clean ones.

    "If your grandchildren are brats without manners, you blame television. If your friend is shot by a deranged madman, you blame the gun manufacturer. And if a crazed person breaks into the cockpit and tries to kill the pilot at 35,000 feet, and the passengers kill him instead, the mother of the deceased blames the airline."

    Classic case of victimhood thinking

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  173. @ sera

    We also refuse to go by the nonsense that Hyderabadi and Telangana are one and the same. They are totally different. And need to be separate.

    How is Hyderabad different from Telangana? Please explain. Make yourself useful by bringing some information into the debate.

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  174. @ Telangana Bidda

    How is Hyderabad different from Telangana? Please explain. Make yourself useful by bringing some information into the debate.

    Read my posts and you will get lot of useful information. It is completely explained in detail.

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  175. @ sera

    Classic case of victimhood thinking

    Your allegation does not hold any water in this case. The examples you quote are by people who fail to accept responsibility for their actions.

    The Telangana people are not suffering "victimhood". They have tolerated a few decades of cultural and social marginalization.

    Being someone who didn't experience it first hand, you are unwilling to accept that such a marginalization has occurred.

    Sometimes, you come across as incorrigible and unwilling to have an open mind and listen to the soul behind the events happening in Telangana today.

    It was a herculean task for M.K.Gandhi and other national leaders pre-independence to gather people, to mobilise them, to bring a sense of "national unity" and have them fight for independence by adhering to the ahimsa principles. It took more than a century for the Indians to mobilise and unite against the british rule.

    In Telangana today, in contrast to the pre-independence conditions, people are uniting to assert their cultural integrity and are unwilling to tolerate the insults meted out to them in every day life.

    Attaining statehood is only a small consequence of this self-assertion and renaissance in Telangana. There is more to this movement than meets your eye... as you are seeing it only through the small pigeon-hole called 'status of hyderabad'.

    Kindly take your words back. You do not see our point of view. But that does not mean we will accept whatever stones you pelt at us.

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  176. @ sera:

    Read my posts and you will get lot of useful information. It is completely explained in detail.

    Can you provide links to your blog posts on how Hyderabad is different from Telangana? There is no coherent and logical post of yours that addresses or elaborates on the "difference" you claim.

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  177. It was a herculean task for M.K.Gandhi and other national leaders pre-independence to gather people, to mobilise them, to bring a sense of "national unity" and have them fight for independence by adhering to the ahimsa principles. It took more than a century for the Indians to mobilise and unite against the british rule.

    There's a whole lot of difference there. This comparison is entirely wrong as there was no TRUE representative democracy. Here we have proper representative democracy.

    By the same logic any part in India could claim "discrimination" just because it has lesser number of MLAs/MPs.

    So please take your comments back which compare this agitation with the Indian Independence movement and MK Gandhi.

    And then I will consider taking back mine which are channeled at "individual responsibility".

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  178. sera said...

    >> Tell me what happens if every state with its capital and surrounding districts wants a separate state?

    Your so called "Kannadagana" is almost the same as the erstwhile Mysore princely state. You just gave it a malicious name.

    Let them ask for demerger if they really want it. Formation of states is a continous process in India.

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  179. Sad. Manmohan Sigh says now there should be a "consensus".

    Its high time that a solution should be rolled out with a SA, a separate Hyderabad state and Telangana.

    This statement from Manmohan is not good for Hyderabad.

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  180. We have enough trash on the blog already.....We are responsible enough to try to keep our classes clean,irrespective of rouge elements....
    Madamjee,

    By "we" you have confirmed that you are in league with Sujai. Maybe you are the relative/niece/nephew Sujai referred to.
    How fair it is to collude in a open debate?

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  181. You colour almost every comment ,with some trash from the films and serials..Kindly spare me that nonsense...
    Madamjee,

    I can understand your difficulty. I find a good example of Mr. Manish Tiwari's favorite 'oxymoron'.
    You lecture on Telangana culture and self-respect using various -isms and analogies across world. But you see simple examples/comparisons from things close to you as 'trash'.


    Here is a joke from very old edition of Debonair magazine.

    "Boss told us to teach right and wrong to new steno. You tell her what is right".

    I am sure you will throw a despising comment about the same.

    Whereas you will sit-up and take note if I quote how Dawn Brown explained "Though shalt see darkness" from "The Lost Symbol".

    I cannot resist quote another from Rajesh Khanna's old classic Anand.

    लिम्फो सार्कोमा आफ ईनटस्टाईन?
    वह! क्या नाम है!
    अगर किसी लड़कीको होयागना,
    समजती हैं अन्ग्रेजी को गोद लियाहो.

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  182. @SLB:

    >> By "we" you have confirmed that you are in league with Sujai. Maybe you are the relative/niece/nephew Sujai referred to.

    Hats off to your superior quality wordsmithing and deuctive (intuitive?) powers!

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  183. Sad. Manmohan Sigh says now there should be a "consensus".

    Its high time that a solution should be rolled out with a SA, a separate Hyderabad state and Telangana.

    This statement from Manmohan is not good for Hyderabad.


    A solution is unlikely in near future. I feel center realized its folly. Any decision now will trigger more such demands which this government cannot handle.
    IMO, decision Telangana and Gorkhaland should be taken together. Otherwise Gorkhaland land may see violence.

    Still, UPA government is so pathetic it fits proverbial 'foolish friend'.

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  184. Hats off to your superior quality wordsmithing and deuctive (intuitive?) powers!

    Hurts. Right?
    Irritates? Or frustrates?

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  185. Can you provide links to your blog posts on how Hyderabad is different from Telangana? ...
    TB,

    (This is not sera but SLB).
    My own comments. Hope you like. :-)

    In last decade T-vaadis brought-out many differences between TG and SA cultures, language and even food habits.
    Well! Can a T-vaadi put-up similar comparison between Hyderabad and rest of TG?
    You cannot eat Hyderabad biryani in Nalgonda, Khammam or Warangal.
    You cannot drink IRANI chai in MBNR, Nalgonda highway.
    How much of TG 'jaanapadam' appreacited in Hyderabad and Gazals, Khawaali in rest of TG?

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  186. Can you provide links to your blog posts on how Hyderabad is different from Telangana? ...
    TB,

    (This is not sera but SLB).
    My own comments. Hope you like. :-)

    In last decade T-vaadis brought-out many differences between TG and SA cultures, language and even food habits.
    Well! Can a T-vaadi put-up similar comparison between Hyderabad and rest of TG?
    You cannot eat Hyderabad biryani in Nalgonda, Khammam or Warangal.
    You cannot drink IRANI chai in MBNR, Nalgonda highway.
    How much of TG 'jaanapadam' appreacited in Hyderabad and Gazals, Khawaali in rest of TG?


    I didn't answer that because it is so obvious that someone needs to be blind if they don't see the difference between Hyderabadi culture and Telangana. The food, music, culture, behaviour, festivals, language, ete etc etc everything is different.

    The differences are more than those between Telangana and Andhra. And even those between Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh for that matter. If I am not wrong both these states (Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh) share the same language structure/lipi and there seem to be very comparable cuisine etc.

    Anyway thanks SLB for filling in.

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  187. @SLB:

    >> Can a T-vaadi put-up similar comparison between Hyderabad and rest of TG?

    Let those Hyderabadis who want to seperate from Telangana put it up

    You can drink Irani chai, eat biryani, attend mushairas, play Holi etc. in Warangal & Nizamabad.

    Have you never seen "Kalyani biryani" banners outside dhabas all over Telangana?

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  190. @ sera:

    So please take your comments back which compare this agitation with the Indian Independence movement and MK Gandhi.

    Here is the problem with your arguments. You fail to comprehend what the other person says... and when they make second, third and fourth attempts to explain what they meant, you divert the topic and sign off with "I do not have to be responsible".

    I didn't compare the Telangana movement with Independence of India.

    I said: Under foreign rule, when all rights were under threat, people took a CENTURY under the leadership of M.K.Gandhi to unite on one platform.

    Contrary to that, Telangana people have united and come on one platform without the need for an M.K.Gandhi. It is because they have identified themselves as a group with a strong common identity. The cultural marginalization suffered by this group has helped them attain that state naturally and effortlessly.

    The comparison is not between the "freedom struggle" and "statehood of Telangana". The comparison is between how long it took for different sections of Indian population to unite... and how Telangana people have united effortlessly, time and again, in 1953, in 1969, in many small and big platforms since then and in the last decade. The Telangana that naturally united its people without having to wait on a "leader" is different from the Indian population pre-independence in that "They have found their collective identity and have noble aspirations of putting an end to the marginalization they suffered at hands of majority in the state."


    We asserting our identity and declaring in no un-certain terms that we will not tolerate any more discrimination at the hands of others. The discrimination may be subtle cultural domination or the more evident injustice in water and jobs. The message of Telangana people is not falling on your deaf ears.


    On many posts, the SA proponents have asked us time and again to hold our politicians responsible and answerable to us.... we are doing exactly that, voicing our concerns on various forums including the internet and blogs.


    Our goal does not begin or end with statehood. It begins with asserting our self-respect and ends with continued check on our public representatives till they deliver the promises they made.

    This is our fight against our corrupt politicians who got our vote promising us Telangana State on various forums and backing out with no concern for the promises they made.


    Now that I made a second and elaborate effort at explaining the meaning you playfully overlooked (?)... take back your baseless allegations and explain how Hyderabad is different from Telangana. If you have no answer to this and still linger around, you will be sending others the message that you have no case for option 4.

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  191. @ sera:

    I didn't answer that because it is so obvious that someone needs to be blind if they don't see the difference between Hyderabadi culture and Telangana. The food, music, culture, behaviour, festivals, language, ete etc etc everything is different.


    Now you are calling us blind because we asked you to explain the difference in culture?

    Seriously?

    I am a Hyderabad born with my family roots in Telangana. I have spent my life equally in the city and in the rural telangana... I have not noticed a "cultural" difference. The food that my grandmothers make is the same food that I get in Hyderabadi restaurants (not the udipi restaurants from tamil nadu etc).

    The Biryani tastes the same, the chai tastes the same... the bonalu of Secunderabad and the bonalu in my grandmother's village are conducted similarly down to the last detail... the bathukamma festival is also celebrated on the same day in Hyderabad as well as Telangana.

    Please explain the differences that everyone else is blind to except you! What is it that makes Hyderabad so different from the rest of Telangana?

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  192. You cannot eat Hyderabad biryani in Nalgonda, Khammam or Warangal.
    You cannot drink IRANI chai in MBNR, Nalgonda highway



    Ah! You want to claim that Hyderabadi Biryani and Irani Chai are unique to Hyderabad.

    Here is some information for you:

    I did get Irani chai just outside narketpally bus-station on the Nalgonda high-way. I did get to eat Hyderabadi Biryani in hotels in Mahboobnagar and Karimnagar.


    Your false propaganda is busted. This tells me, you have never really been to any of the Telangana districts or villages and you are making these tall claims on Biryanis and Chais.

    Let me ask you a siimple Q:

    What is the secret ingredient in Irani Chai that makes it different from the English tea and the Idli-bandi-chai?

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  193. @ Sera and SLB:

    If you don't know what the secret ingredient of irani chai is... can you atleast come up with the story behind the irani chai and how/why it got the name?

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  194. @ sera/slb:

    If you fail at the two previous questions... do you atleast know when (during which period, decade) did the 'TEA' arrive in Hyderabad? When did it become a common man's leisure-drink? How did the tea-connoisseurs change it to make it more appealing to the Hyderabadis (i.e. Telangana people of the erstwhile Hyderabad state pre-1950)?

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  195. @ sera/slb

    On the same note... can you ask your Samaikyavaadi friends to tell us when was the first time they tried 'tea'? Did the tea have same appeal to them as the madras coffee?


    I am still waiting on you folks to answer my very first question:

    What are the differences you claim between Hyderabad and Telangana?

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  196. Telangana Bidda:

    I didn't compare the Telangana movement with Independence of India.

    We are fighting an enemy who deals with obfuscation. They create confusion, do not answer the questions asked, and bring other irrelevant points into discussion, no different from the political leadership of Seemandhras who ruled Telangana for the last 54 years.

    The debate is not even fair to start with when one party resorts to constant diversionary tactics while taking our analogies quite literally.

    Sometimes you wonder what's happening to the school system in our region. Has it gone so horribly wrong?

    These guys do not explain their reason or rationale for their assertions and they think that the fact they have asserted a single slogan too many times makes up for creating a case.

    sera has not answered on what basis he claims lands and people of Telangana in his option 4 while maintaining he doesn't want to live with Telanganas, that he fears Telanganas, that he doesn't find anything in common with Telanganas.

    sera has not answered on what basis he claims srisailam and nagarjunasagar projects in his option 4.

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  197. @ sujai:

    These guys do not explain their reason or rationale for their assertions and they think that the fact they have asserted a single slogan too many times makes up for creating a case.

    I agree with your assessment. The fair debates I know of involve responsible parties trying to put forth their views and back-up the views with their rationale behind such views.

    Sera and others are not here for a fair debate. They are here to divert, to call names, to insult us and to ignore our questions when their claims are called into question.

    I agree with you, there is no real debate going on. It is some kids making noise around the neighbor's car they think is theirs.

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  198. PM Manmohan Singh on TelenganaFebruary 16, 2011 3:14 PM

    The Telangana issue is complicated but the government is trying to evolve a consensus on it, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said here Wednesday.

    "This is a complicated issue and we are trying to evolve a consensus," Manmohan Singh said at an interaction with editors of the electronic media here when asked about the carving out of a separate state of Telangana in Andhra Pradesh.

    "The home minister has had a meeting with all political parties," he said, A report has been drawn up, it has been studied and "after this will come a phase of consultation", he said.

    "That process must be allowed to be pursued to its logical conclusion," Manmohan Singh said.

    Pressed for the government's stand on Telangana, he said "we would cross the bridge" when we come to it.

    Read more: New Article - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/New-Article/articleshow/7507714.cms#ixzz1E75vwwLL

    (posted by UNITED INDIAN)

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  199. @ T Bidda

    This is our fight against our corrupt politicians who got our vote promising us Telangana State on various forums and backing out with no concern for the promises they made.

    Then why the hate talk and we were "chided" kind of talk.

    It should be a political process like it has been many other states. In which other state formation did we see so much hate talk.

    I definitely understand the "cheatedness" and "anger" you feel post the Dec 9th antics of the likes of Lagadapti with their U-turn. And I think they deserve a kick. They are in a way the reason for all this mess right from 2004 when they "agreed". But why the hate talk from day one like Bhago and rivers of blood and all.

    And as for all your other comments I have traveled enough in TG areas to say that you are making a lot of that up. Of course I can't comment on your grand mother's Biryani who must be cooking some damn good Biryani and that makes me want to eat some. I should tell my cook to make some today who by the way is Oriyan and she too cooks some terrific stuff that will make any Hyderabadi feel at Home. ;-)

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  200. @ sera:

    But why the hate talk from day one like Bhago and rivers of blood and all.

    Who made those statements? When? In what context? Why should we address those statements on this blog?

    Are you going to apologise to Telangana people as Seemandhras called them "lazy, hooligans, nizam's slaves.." and even "naxalites"?

    Then, why do you come to this blog and ask us to address statements made by people who do not write here?

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