Watching the ecstatic Egyptians waving their national flags while walking on a million-man march can make almost every human being on the planet go ecstatic. It is the greatest struggle of mankind - the struggle for freedom. Witnessing one such freedom struggle unfold before you, one cannot help but sympathize with these Egyptians. Every man who loves freedom for himself and for his fellowman cannot help but support these Egyptians in their struggle. Following what happened recently in Tunisia where angry and irate Tunisians came onto streets to kick out their autocratic President, now the Egyptians have come out onto streets in an attempt to overthrow Hosni Mubarak, the dictator for nearly 30 years. And the whole world is watching this grand spectacle on their TV sets. Almost all international media units are in Cairo to cover this march of humanity which is celebrating their struggle for freedom. Even Indian news media have sent their cameras and journalists to cover this event to bring it live into the homes of millions of Indians.
Telanganas feel happy for Tunisians and Egyptians, and congratulate them, but then they look at themselves and their plight, and that happiness slowly turns into sadness. The despondency is palpable in the hearts and faces of Telangana people, at their helplessness. Less than two months ago, nearly 2.5 million Telanganas marched to Warangal to convey only one message to India, “Give us Telangana”, and yet, nobody paid attention. NONE of the Indian national media covered it on TV. For these Indian media houses, million-people march of Egyptians is important and significant to be covered live, but not the million-people march of fellow Indians.
For nearly ten years now, Telanganas are in a continuous struggle seeking freedom, only as a state within Indian Union, and yet, it goes unnoticed by national and international media. Looks like only a freedom struggle under dictators in the international arena gets the attention, but not those struggles in autocracies like India which pose themselves as democracies.
Egyptian Army declared they will not fire upon their fellowmen. So humane, one admires. But when it comes to India it is quite different. India routinely fires upon its own people to crush all freedom struggles even if that struggle is for such an innocuous and legitimate thing as creating a state, something which is prescribed as a method in Indian Constitution to fulfill aspirations of its people. What happened to the greatest champion of people’s struggles for freedom in the last sixty years? Why did India turn from a champion of freedom to suppressor of freedoms?
It is the arrogance that the freedom that is attained by us is absolute and perfect and hence any future freedom movements within have to be illegitimate. If India admits there is a genuine people’s movement within, then that means it has not given its people the absolute freedom it thought it gave.
India touts itself as the greatest democracy in the world but does not hesitate to kill its own people that seek self-rule by forming new states. It discredits all freedom movements within, even when they are legal and legitimate movements that follow the prescribed steps of Indian Constitution, because its arrogance does not allow it to admit it has been imperfect all along. Only immature and insecure democracies can suffer from that blind arrogance. It is sad that this nation which inspired so many freedom movements the world over has degenerated to become an autocracy.
It is sad that a ‘democratic nation’ like India uses its armies to fire upon its own people whereas the Egyptian Army under a dictator developed humane conscience to refrain from killing its own people. What will it take for Indian forces to turn as humane as Egyptian Army? When will it sympathize with its own people and disobey the autocratic diktats of the rulers?
British in India used India’s diversity to their advantage. They treated India as a collection of nations and therefore created army for each region; and whenever necessary, they used one region’s army against another to rule this subcontinent. When India became independent, the Indian leaders saw strength in this concept which deserved merit. Since the armies are created along regional lines, it became apparent that it would be extremely difficult for converting this country into a military dictatorship. But that strength is now misused; and Indians have become worse than British when it comes to treating Indians.
Nowadays, India conveniently uses the armed forces from one region to quell freedom seeking agitations of another region. In 1969, India used forces from Malabar region to kill nearly 370 Telangana protestors, more than those dead in Tunisia or Egypt, arrested more than 70,000, and injured and maimed more than 15,000 to completely suppress a movement which sought a state within legal confines of Indian Constitution. In the current agitation, it brought in battalions from other regions to suppress the movement much to the elation of Samaikhyandhra activists.
Right now, as the events unfold in Tunisia and Egypt, the Telangana person wonders, what a sham is Indian democracy? The autocrats are within but we cannot do anything about it. What is our recourse to overthrow the autocratic regime of Seemandhras? Would a 2.5 million-people march help? Not really. Would 400 suicides help? Not really. Would hundreds of agitations and thousands of hunger strikes help? Not really.
That’s because we are sham democracy which pretends that we keep our people free, but in reality lets a privileged group to enslave the underprivileged group. Indian democracy is a farce, which blatantly protects the master clan by supplying armed forces, guns and lathis, to coerce and suppress the slave clan. As long as the master clan is big enough to supply the required number of elected leaders to keep the ruling party in power, it can almost do anything to the slave clan, ridicule it, enslave it, maim it, and discriminate it without any repercussions.
Democracy in India is no longer about fulfilling the democratic aspirations of its people. It is all about keeping the ruling party in power at any cost, even if it means killing, brutalizing, maiming and injuring one section of people to satisfy the greed and rapacious appetite of another.
It is a shame that Indian democracy has become this.
While the world celebrates as Tunisia and Egypt take on the path of freedom overthrowing the oppressors, the so-called greatest democracy in the world suppresses its own people when they try to overthrow the oppressors within.
On which side is India? On the side of Hosni Mubarak or the million people who marched for freedom? Innocent Indians may be on the side of the million people, but the Indian Government is clearly on the side of Hosni Mubarak when they support Seemandhra rulers in quelling the movement for self-rule of Telanganas.
For India to become a truly democratic country, it has to make amends right away. One of them is to immediately create Telangana and live up to the ideals it promised its people when this nation was formed sixty years ago.
The problem here is that no one is against Telangana as long as they don't want to usurp Hyderabad by force and claim it as their own for no reason.
ReplyDeleteAnd therefore there is no comparison to any other self-rule movement.
While the the TGites claim they want self-rule they want to deny self-rule for an other region (Hyderabad) by giving a lot of cock-and-bull reasons.
The double standard of TGites is what is the problem. They want freedom from themselves but don't want it for others.
So comparing the TG issue with Egypt and Tunisia is utterly dishonest and meaningless.
"Less than two months ago, nearly 2.5 million Telanganas marched to Warangal to convey only one message to India, “Give us Telangana”, and yet, nobody paid attention. NONE of the Indian national media covered it on TV. "
ReplyDeleteOh ,national media covered it. In fact they covered it accurately and reported the facts .
See what CNN-IBN wrote about this meet :
"Warangal, the hot bed for Telangana movement, was all coloured pink on Thursday. The colour of Chandrashekhar Rao led TRS as expected, thousands gathered at the venue to extend support for a separate state."
See , thousands gathered , not even lakhs ,but you guys made it up as 2.5 million.
Kudos to you spin masters.
link :http://ibnlive.in.com/news/trs-hold-mahagarjana-asserts-telangana-demand/137714-3.html
See , thousands gathered , not even lakhs ,but you guys made it up as 2.5 million.
ReplyDeleteMedia tends to do that. It depends on which media house you quote based in your convenience. For example, these are the three headlines from today’s newspapers covering Egypt protests.
THE HINDU: Two-million-strong rally calls for an end to Hosni Mubarak regime
http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/02/stories/2011020263100100.htm
ECONOMIC TIMES (Print Edition): More than 100,000 people crammed into Cairo’s vast Tahrir Square on Tuesday…
THE TIMES OF INDIA (Print Edition, Bangalore): Lakhs march in Cairo, Friday deadline looms for Mubarak
We have varying numbers on this even though there is no vested interest for Indian media (supposedly); so you can imagine what vested interests would do.
Seemandhras would like to believe only thousands turned up, whereas Telanganas like to believe that 2.5 Million turned up; and we have media reports to cite various numbers starting from thousands to 25 lakhs.
"India touts itself as the greatest democracy in the world but does not hesitate to kill its own people that seek self-rule by forming new states."
ReplyDeleteIt should not hesitate to kill its own people , when some people decide to kill other people , burn their properties ,rape them or evict them.
Sujai
ReplyDeleteIf your cause is constitutional , then win all seats in elections , convince enough MPs to vote for TG bill in parliament.
Constitution did not give the power of creating state to the mobs of this country. You can however elect persons who will fullfil your wishes.
"NONE of the Indian national media covered it on TV. For these Indian media houses, million-people march of Egyptians is important and significant to be covered live, but not the million-people march of fellow Indians. "
ReplyDeleteYes ,we are also disappointed with national media . When MNS beat up four people in Mumbai , the headlines of national media for many months were filled with this news.
But when many attacks happened on andhras in months of Dec 2009 & Jan 2010, none were reported.
Even the attack on teachers in OU which was caught on tape was not given a mention.
The suggestions for autonomous-Hyderabad by certain elite families and Seemandhra settlers living in Telangana can be understood through the current context of events unfolding in Egypt.
ReplyDeleteThe suggestion by these autonomous-Hyderabad proponents is akin to a hypothetical suggestion by 'elite and immigrant' officers and their families, who do not want to let go of their control over the 'assets' of Egypt, most importantly Suez Canal and Oil wells, that these assets 'belong to the world' and therefore should not be handed over to the 'local goons' who are capable of vandalizing even the most important museums.
Such a suggestion would not go well with any Egyptian.
But such a situation is possible if the mandate was given to people like Srikrishna Committee. If Srikrishna Committee were to make a report on the current events, they would suggest that a certain number of people have approached them with genuine concerns for the safety of the immigrant officers and managers who are keen on creating autonomous zones for oil wells and Suez Canal away from the local Egyptian control.
Such a suggestion would not go well with any Egyptian.
ReplyDeleteSuch smartness should be seen. Egypt does not function like a democracy and the military as an institution is the most powerful. How does that compare in the case of Telangana which is part of the larger country of India which is a democracy.
TG always had their own representatives in both the state assembly and the parliament for the past 50 odd years - looks like we want (or Sujai wants us) to conveniently forget that.
Telangana is not asking for a separate nation and so there ends any comparison.
Autonomous Hyderabad has nothing to do with elites etc that Sujai wants to parrot. It has got to do with the same principle of self-rule that TGites want.
How can you have double standards here. You want your self-rule. We want our self-rule. How can you deny us while you want to claim yours.
The fear is that Hyderabad will not even be "colonized" by TG. The right word is that it may get "plundered".
And anyway who and with whose money did Hyderabad get built has many pasts.
It includes the money of;
1. The present TGites.
2. The money from Andhra and Rayalseema historically via many pacts with the british.
3. The money from the six districts of the erstwhile districts of Hyderabad which are no longer part of Telangana.
4. And the money of the SA guys for the past 50 odd years.
5. And money from people like us who came from up north.
If I am wrong in my above presumptions I will stand corrected as this is info I have from various discussions with people who are well read and balanced in my opinion. There are details that I have obviously not stated. But that there could be a bias/distortion in such a passionate subject I do well recognize.
So how should we see "the status of Hyderabad". Hyderabad should not fall prey to one set of people who want to create a violent agitation and claim everything for themselves.
If your cause is constitutional , then win all seats in elections , convince enough MPs to vote for TG bill in parliament.
ReplyDeleteIt is unfortunate that Indians have not understood what democracy meant. Going to schools and colleges where all they had to do was just learn-by-rote only to vomit the entire text verbatim onto the answer papers creates citizenry without an iota of knowledge or wisdom on how their country functions or how democracy functions. It is unfortunate that this country has bred such citizenry, and that’s why the cause of Telangana has become so tough.
Did Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Uttarkhand, Andhra State, Karnataka or Kerala win ‘all seats in elections’ to prove their ‘constitutional’ right?
That’s not always possible in a democracy. No matter how worthy a cause it is not possible for only one party to win all the seats. Being ‘constitutional’ is not same as being ‘electorally absolute’. Mixing elections results with constitutional methods is sheer stupidity. Elections are the not the only tools to express people’s aspirations; and some Indians who learnt-by-rote their subjects are yet to realize this.
Egypt had elections and people of Egypt elected their leaders, and yet today, they have come out to tell the world that their government was not representative of the people.
Only Seemandhras will question Egyptians, ‘why did you not elect righteous leaders when you had the option? Why did you not protest all these thirty years? Why did you sit on your lazy asses all these years only to come out and vandalize and protest on the streets? Why don’t you use the constitutional methods to express your opinion instead of coming out onto streets?’
Only Seemandhras will question Egyptians, ‘why did you not elect righteous leaders when you had the option? Why did you not protest all these thirty years? Why did you sit on your lazy asses all these years only to come out and vandalize and protest on the streets? Why don’t you use the constitutional methods to express your opinion instead of coming out onto streets?’
ReplyDeleteThis is utter rubbish because this is a region within a state and not a whole nation itself.
That argument applies for example during the period of emergency and is not valid in this case.
Elections in AP have not been conducted under the military gun like it has been done in Egypt. And anyway AP is just part of a nation - it is not like a nation/Egypt in itself.
This comparison with Egypt is mischievous, misleading and conscious dishonesty.
Looks like Sujai is stuck with a childhood dream and then wants to make the Telangana issue bigger than life. For example I know people who compare KCR with Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc.
Sujai is distorting arguments. That's sad. And then he blames every Indian to have not been educated well.
Like I said before the issue here is one region's people cannot claim Hyderabad for themselves and plan to exploit it. That's all.
Let Hyderabad be independent in the style of Pondicherry. And like I said before no movement ends neatly. The Maharashtra movement ended up losing Goa, Karwar and Belgaum.
In fact Belgaum and Karwar were expressly made part of Karnataka to "see to it" that Goa remained a UT though both those districts WANTED to be part of Maharashtra.
The same may end up happening with Nalgonda and Mehboobnagar where there is even less resistance to Option 4 vis-a-vis what Karwar and Belgaum had during those days.
Those who feel they are concerned for telugu unity, this is a question for them:
ReplyDelete“IF THE STATE IS NOT DEVIDED ON A CONDITION THAT, HYDERABAD SHOULD NOT BE THE CAPITAL ANY MORE, LET THAT BE SHIFTED TO A NEW LOCATION (with in 50km radius from geographic intersection point of Seema-Andhra-Telangana) AND IN RETURN NO TELANGANA DEMAND FOREVER..”
‘INSTEAD OF DEMANDING 1 LAC CRORES FOR SEEMA OR TELAGANA SPEACIAL PACKAGE, THIS CAN BE DONE IN 10 TO 20% OF THAT M0NEY AND A BIG SAVING FOR THE COUNTRY”
But – here the true face telugu unity will come out because, the imperialistic thinkers would be forced to admit that, the true interest in NOT telugu unity, BUT to exploit telangana in every aspect, and every PLACE (every inch..)
If a new capital is made out side/bordering telangana, as a solution to this long-drawn battle - are there any neutralists to consider this option?
On the contrary, they would feel that - how can they gradually occupy, Warangal ,Karimnagar, Nizamabad, Adilabad Dist (Creation of RR dist in 80's was indeed a coup, and every district bordering Hyd district had already lost lacs of acres of land to so-called Greater Hyderabad ; the life in Hyd city has already become HELL, the city can not accommodate 9 crore people & we need to have solutions.. )
Seema-andhra ppl who make (pseudo) arguments on TV that “we came and invested in Hyd because it was a capital city” – answer to this: (first point to observe the word "INVEST" and it was for a return 100 times or more; No one came here to develop; why else some colonies have Super markets, but not the slum lower-middle class bastis)
a. Hyd was 5th largest city in 1950’s – so migrants came
b. Hyd was int’l popualr city & rich in every aspect (time mag’z published this), so migrants came
c. Hyd is having geopgraphical advantage of being a central location, so migrants came
d. Hyd has best climatic condition (Winter, Summer, Rains – all seasons best, even president of india has a holiday home here), so migrants came
e. Hyd had good cosmopolitan culture and business with guj, marwari, punj will be easy .. so more migrants came
f. Hyd had every resource – all READY… READY.. so was ANDHRA state merger (apart from telugu unity factor) with Telangana
If today – Govt is willing to shift seema-andhra businessman’s factory , machinary free of cost to the investors home town, will HE SHFT FOR EMPLOYMNT CREATION AT HIS MOTHER LAND? Are there no people who can / capable of running the plant / business?
If we really conduct a survey …
“NOT A SINGLE BUSINESS HOUSE WILL CONSIDER SETTING-UP FACTORIES IN THEIR OWN NATIVE PLACES” and there is NO need / compulsion if they do not want to leave too.
No one is asking any person to leave Telangana OR Hyderabad. We are only seeking end of COMBINED ruling (In reality it is dominated ruling, chaatipe haath-rakh'ke socho - mere bhaai!!)
So – any one who says, had Andhra created in 1972 we could have progressed is a half-hearted argument. I f they are really concerned for development of mother land (each district of kostha or Seema), why are they not asking / forcing their leaders for DE-CENTRALIZED development. Telangana has Hyderabad in the middle. So, any expansion of city would eventually accessible to them, than far-away places.
so-far your ppl never fought with your own leaders, who NEVER cared to develop your region, villages, poor ppl. Today - your sentiment to Hyd is fully understandable and the hope-less position created by leaders for 50 years in turning into an agitation against separation instead of alternatives - that are possible.
Only those UPPER MIDDLE CLASS, RICH, HIGHLY RICH calsses who can afford houses , plots, properties at both places, want to continue with dual facilities, (BESTOF BOTH WORLDS – crop yeilds / vote banks of andhra and comforts of telangana) are agaisnt state formation..
GOD SAVE ANDHRA VILLAGERS or SOMEONE FROM INTELLECTUAL ANDHRA BLOGGER GRP COMES FORWARD!!
Regarding number of people attended in Maha Garjana:
ReplyDeleteTimes of India said 12 to 15lahs attended.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/KCR-fails-to-roar-at-Garjana/articleshow/7114288.cms
Eenadu said there are 35km of traffic jam.
http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-17-12-2010/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel1.htm
Media covered the event but did not give much importance.
Media DOMINATED / CONTROLLED by andhra origin managements, know exactly well what to cover & how to cover.
ReplyDeleteSelective amnesia!!
@Sera :
ReplyDeleteWhenever someone compares some X with Y you must always understand that there is some concept called "reference to context".So,when somebody says KCR is like Gandhi, he/she only means that KCR is the political face of the movement and nothing more than that.
Many ppl who are against Telangana are only against two things
1)KCR
2)including Hyderabad in Telangana
Goa is not a UT but a state.
I am interested to know what difference does it make to any person from Seema or Andhra if Telangana is formed and Hyd becomes its capital ?Do you realize that it makes no difference to you ? If the answer is yes,what is the fuss all about ?
You said :
//Like I said before the issue here is one region's people cannot claim Hyderabad for themselves and plan to exploit it. That's all.//
:-) when ppl of the same region use Hyd you don't call it exploitation.
When Telangana was financially rich with almost 63cr surplus money, forcing the Central govt to merge two different states is the first step for exploitation.
Then moving the capital from Kurnool ( where the offices were in tents and govt didn't have any money to pay for all the govt employees) to already developed Hyderabad is called exploitation.
pls don't tell me that you developed Hyd.Hyd is one of the most developed cities in the world during nizam times only.12 or 15 yrs After Hyd got electricity, Madras under British then got this facility.Hyd was advanced even before India got independence.
So, no using of the phrase that ppl from Seema and Andhra developed this place which has lot of ppl from other parts of the country living in hyd.
....and to continue on the so-called development topic:
ReplyDelete1. Which part of Hyderabad is developed in past 50 years? Should it not include, CHarminar, Shalibanada, yaqutpura, dabirpura, ch'gutta, gowliguda, afzal-gunj, begum bazaar, isamia bazaar, putli-bowli etc? Are the FUNDS meant ONLY for Jubille hills, banjara hills regions?
2. Is there ANY SINGLE public utility imaarat (Building) constructed in Hyd city? Most of the hi-tech city bldgs, smooth roads, fly-overs were made to facilitate businesses in& around sub-urbs occupied by migrant population? Aren't all the GOVT OWNED hospitals, schools, colleges, universities, play-grounds were NIZAM period constructions?
3. The iroany is - most of the old-city govt school buildings are witout maintenance and on the verge of collapse. Govt wants to convert them into real estate products/ malls. Any answers?????
@ tin tin
ReplyDeleteWelcome to the party. You came in late.
Read what I posted before. And my earlier posts too if time permits.
The fear is that Hyderabad will not even be "colonized" by TG. The right word is that it may get "plundered".
And anyway who and with whose money did Hyderabad get built has many pasts.
It includes the money of;
1. The present TGites.
2. The money from Andhra and Rayalseema historically via many pacts with the british.
3. The money from the six districts of the erstwhile districts of Hyderabad which are no longer part of Telangana.
4. And the money of the SA guys for the past 50 odd years.
5. And money from people like us who came from up north.
And when I say US. I mean non-telugu speaking people. We find it amusing that a guy in warangal and a guy in anantpur or vijaywada should discuss this without taking the Hyderabadis into account. We are here for over 200 years at least and more sons-of-soil in a sense. Let us fight for the erstwhile state of Hyderabad with the lost six districts - that's fine - we have many relatives there too. But without that let Hyderabad have its own self-rule or lets move on to Option 4 is what we say.
Hyd is centrally locked with TELANGANA...
ReplyDeleteWhich is why the people (of Old Hyd state) who merged with Maharshtra & Karnataka DON NOT argue too much about their share or claims on the city!!!
2. Because Hyd is central to TG, every other private enterprise's regional offices in the state will open branches at Tirupati, Vijayawada, Vizag apart from Hyderabad which is the ONLY REPRESENTATIVE CITY FOR ALL 10 TG districts.
3. Why else GMR would put-up a clause that None of the telangan dist should have an AIRPORT witihn 150 km radius?
For 200 years "PATNAM" (Means city) is the central point for all Telanganites and now you want us to choose a city? Tell us which telangana CITY out-side Hyderabad is developed by Combined rule of Andhrapradesh on the lines of what is spent in Non telangana cities???
3. Even the
Indian Armed Forces adopted the "divide and Rule" Strategy from Britishers and Perfected it. Most of our Army regiments are formed on the Basis of ethnic groups, Rashtriya Rifles is composed of UP and Biharis, Punjab Regiment of Sikhs, Madra regiment of South indians, ITBP of north east the list goes on.
ReplyDeleteIndian army Hire mercenaries from Nepal each Year and Calls them "Gurkha" regiment and deploys them In North Eastern States to kill the natives and again it Recruits North Eastern people in to Indo Tibetan Border Police and deploys them in Jharkhand and Chattisghargh to kill natives, its a Trajedy.
Even Kasmhmiri soldiers are used in operation Green Hunt, while Indian army Humiliates kashmiris on a daily basis.
May be Mahagarjana should be conducted in Centre of Hyd this time, US and western media can Show egyptian Protests and Obama can issue statements like "right to peaceful assembly of egyptians should be respected" while that right is violated in Hyd on a daily basis by the Andhra govt imposing section 144 because egypt is a small country but India is crucial for them and they are afraid of Upsetting India and their booming Business and investment here.
tintin,
ReplyDeletedo you think it is really necessary to start again at the starting?
Well! I mean 'forcing' merger.
IMO, there were multiple reasons behind merger viz vishalandhra, communists, quietening Nizam once for all etc.... Maybe.. maybe.. grabbing Telangana resources was also one of them. But how that should be seen in the context of division?
1. Should otherside forego everything and follow what T-vaadis dictate? Effectively get ready to be punished for mistakes happened in the past.
2. There are people* of Hyderabad who identify themselves more with Hyderabad than with Telangana. Will they have any say in the process of division?
3. What happens to liabilities of AP state? Who will bear them after division?
* Spare me with questions on whether it is all, majority, some, few, specific, poor, influential, blah blah...
Goa is not a UT but a state.
ReplyDeleteGOa was a UT at that time. And that's why the difference.
I am interested to know what difference does it make to any person from Seema or Andhra if Telangana is formed and Hyd becomes its capital ?Do you realize that it makes no difference to you ? If the answer is yes,what is the fuss all about ?
We would also be interested to know what difference does it make to you guys in warangal or adilabad etc. If you think it makes a difference, I guess it is the same difference (whatever you state) that the SA guys will repeat. The truth is that you guys in Telangana have more in common with SA guys including language then US, the Hyderabadi guys.
And that's why Hyderabad should be a UT or a second capital to India or we should move ahead and go for Option 4.
Which is why the people (of Old Hyd state) who merged with Maharshtra & Karnataka DON NOT argue too much about their share or claims on the city!!!
ReplyDeleteNot really! They were more intersted in joining back on linguhistic basis, something that T-vaadis to explain why they were desparate to leave Hyderabad state even at the cost of loosing share in Telangana resources.
Hyd is centrally locked with TELANGANA...
ReplyDeleteThat does not stop it from making it into a UT.
Pondicherry is in three states and is a UT. In fact the three parts are in three states and non-continuous.
Part of Dadra and Nagar Haveli DADRA is land locked within Gujarat.
I hope that makes it clear why being land locked does not stop Hyderabad from being an UT.
The best choice will be Option 4 though where Nalgonda and Mehboobnagara also become part of a new state/
The truth is that you guys in Telangana have more in common with SA guys including language then US, the Hyderabadi guys.
ReplyDeleteSomething that T-vaadis will never accept. They forget simple fact that invaders from Delhi destroyed the orugallu then ready made capital and established Hyderabad as an alternative.
Since then Hyderabad developed its own culture that is very distinct from rest of state and even Telangana.
"Hyderabad city belongs to Telangana region ONLY GEOGRAPHICALLY".
Decades before merger with Andhra Hyderabad is cosmopolitan with migrations from bordering regions as well as far-off places like IRAN.
In last decade T-vaadis brought-out many differences between TG and SA cultures, language and even food habits.
Well! Can a T-vaadi put-up similar comparison between Hyderabad and rest of TG?
You cannot eat Hyderabad biryani in Nalgonda, Khammam or Warangal.
You cannot drink IRANI chai in MBNR, Nalgonda highway.
How much of TG 'jaanapadam' appreacited in Hyderabad and Gazals, Khawaali in rest of TG?
All this talk of Hyderabad land-locked, cultual affinity with TG is nothing but attempt to grab wealth of Hyderabad. Same as that T-vaadis accuse SA people.
Sera,
ReplyDeleteDo you agree that the Telangana region was a part of the erst while Hyderabad State???
If so,then you must realise that the change in its name should have no significance relating to the region that it is...
Calcutta was renamed as Kolkata, Bombay as Mumbai earlier and since your love for the name Hyderabad is so strong let us call the new state as Hyderabad instead of Telangana....
What's in a name!!!
If not,then by asking for the city of Hyderabad alone for UT,you are doing the exact same mischief that you claim the Telanganites are doing(of wanting to usurp a well developed region, for yourself)...
@Rakesh and tintin,
ReplyDeleteSera claims to belong to the group of families which have settled in the city of Hyderabad about 200 years ago,upon the Nizam's invitation to develop it....(While confirmed sources say that Hyderabad was flourishing more than 400 years ago..)
The community that he represents is a small percentage of Hyderabad's population....(past and present)whereas sources claim that they were only meant for book keeping,and very few have ended up paying taxes(under special protections).
So,please save your time and energy
by not engaging in any discussions with him on these counts....
Be fore warned...
//And anyway who and with whose money did Hyderabad get built has many pasts.
ReplyDelete5. And money from people like us who came from up north.//
What percentage of Hyderabad's tax money can you claim to have paid,when you blatantly admit to hating tax policies of the government or paying them(black money et all)....
With a good track record of book keeping,why should we even trust you people with paying any taxes...
And please someone tell Sera,that their properties are like the SEZ,s that the government gives as sops,to people who settle down here....(which you claimed to have received from the Nizam,himself..)
for a while let us consider that Hyderabad & Telangana are different.
ReplyDeleteThen WHICH part of Hyderabad should be made as UT?
1. Are you ready to accept the ORGINAL Hyderabad city that existed at the time of MERGER (1956) with BALDIA limits (MCH)
OR
2. Want Entire Hyderabad District (as per records)
3. Or with addition of Ranagareddy Dist also that was added like a RING around Hyd city with offices scattered in all directions?
4. Or you want to add some more Lands from adjoining districts of MEDAK, MBNR and Nalgonda????
Is there any END??
Lavanya,
ReplyDeleteCircars and Ceded districts were also part of Hyderabad State.
@sera
ReplyDeleteAssuming that the demand for separate telangana sublimes, are you still going to fight for UT status of Hyderabad?
@ Sera :
ReplyDelete// We find it amusing that a guy in warangal and a guy in anantpur or vijaywada should discuss this without taking the Hyderabadis into account. We are here for over 200 years at least and more sons-of-soil in a sense. Let us fight for the erstwhile state of Hyderabad with the lost six districts - that's fine //
If they want to join Telangana i am totally ok with it just like you.But we should also know that they will not join Telangana.So,you are only left with Telangana w/o marathwada and Kannada speaking regions of the then Hyderabad state.
Let me tell you that i am from Kannada speaking family who settled in Telangana for a very long time (more than 100yrs).
//We would also be interested to know what difference does it make to you guys in warangal or adilabad etc. If you think it makes a difference, I guess it is the same difference (whatever you state) that the SA guys will repeat. The truth is that you guys in Telangana have more in common with SA guys including language then US //
Frankly, It makes no difference to me as a person who is working in Bangalore.
Then, you might shoot a question asking me why i am supporting the cause of Telangana.
Let me tell you that i am supporting the T cause only after having done my reading on Telangana's history.I would have supported Andhra had this been their condition.Today i support the cause of Vidarbha also though i am not from Maharastra.
What i want to say is that you don't have to support a cause only if you have personal gains.Though the bifurcation might not benefit me, it benefits those suffering from fluorosis in Nalgonda , all those farmers with some new irrigation projects with Telangana getting its fair share of water resources and those ppl migrating from palamur to other places.
It is estimated that alomst 1 lakh jobs in govt sector can be vacated.It will help all those unemployed get a job thereby helping them raise their standards of living.
I am not sure if you have gone through SKC report.I have gone through it (only to realize the turn intent behind it) for more than 300 pages.Please read from page 175 to 210 which speaks about the number of educational institutions in Telangana as compared to those in SA.
We get more colleges and universities if we get Telangana.When each district of Rayalaseema has a medical college, entire telangana excluding Hyd has 1 medical college.Such in the situation here.
I am a person who thinks that education and Primary health care are the two basics things to even call a country the third world.
These are the reasons why i support
the cause of Telangana with Hyd as its capital because Hyd is going to offer lot of Jobs (direct and indirect) for unemployed after bifurcation.
For the above reason i would not want Hyd to be a UT,
@ SLB
ReplyDelete. Should otherside forego everything and follow what T-vaadis dictate? Effectively get ready to be punished for mistakes happened in the past.
Not sure who are referring to as the "other side".And also not sure what makes you feel so confident that you will be punished :D
Please be assured that no telangana vaadi is speaking about pay back from other side (read as SA).Their focus is only on getting Telangana and not on making SA repay for what they did.
If you quote KCR's "Telangana waale jago,Andhra waale bago", he told it many times that this sentence was only meant for those having illegal lands and business but not for a common man.
But remember that KCR doesn't mean Telangana or vice-versa.If his comments hurt you,don't pay attention to him like i don't pay attention to lagadapati, kavuri, TG Venkatesh and JC Diwakar :-).
Politicians are there only to grab the attention irrespective of the situation.
2. There are people* of Hyderabad who identify themselves more with Hyderabad than with Telangana. Will they have any say in the process of division?
Agreed with what you said.
There are ppl who identify themselves as Hyderabadis and not T ites.They definitely have a say.I advise you to watch Dasha - Disha programs conducted by HMTV in all pockets of AP to know the pulse of ppl about Hyderabad and being called "settlers".If you think you will support the T cause if the majority (if not all) in Hyd are OK, that program is a good reference.
Settlers only said that the word "settler" is not wrong.I am totaly ok with it.He is the president of those business ppl from SA but settled in Hyd.Gujarat and Rajasthan societies have announced their support for the cause of Telangana.
3. What happens to liabilities of AP state? Who will bear them after division?
All these will be taken care of,if the process for bifurcation kicks off.We don't have to worry about it.We have HOME department to take care of it.
@Tvadis
ReplyDeleteFinally ,some hope for you. The legend of TG ,KAKA is going to fight for you guys and achieve telangana state.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteby now most readers in your blog know that you cannot think anything in absolute terms.
At the same you cannot even bring good analogy.
There could be a few Telangana workers in Tunisia and Egypt. But that does not make situations same.:-)
The broad difference is common man in those countries in penury. It is not same with people in Telangana.
They are reasonably better than many regions in India itself say Bihar, Kalhandi, Rajasthan... and very well-off compared to at least 50 countries in Africa and South America.
The bottom-line is Telangana is not a bread and butter issue compared to what is happening in middle east and Africa.
Another important matter is you should stop writing about Indian democracy.
Entire Indian democracy is a failed concept.
What thought to be a noble intentions ended-up as rules by 'family and friends'.
Of course 'then tallest leader' of T-vaadis Pt. Nehru was root cause of many fallacies.
Somewhat right thing you did in this article is comparison with Mubarak.
Of course not entire India but present ruling establishment.
Blatant cover-up of corruption, inability to administer law and order against mischief makers, questioning all constitutional organizations.
What not?
On the lines of intellectual arrogant PC "India is no more or no less anarchy compared to those nations".
(You have freedom in anarchy to pass this buck also onto SA people:-))
Let me add that India voter* is equally responsible for present chaos.
Somebody cannot deceive you unless you are gullible. Somebody cannot bribe you unless you are greedy.
Indian voter always chose a leader who serves his/her personal interests. Reservation, jobs, contracts, house sites, caste....
Hardly experiments with change. Even if does, impatient for results.
....
I just saw once news item on TV. Cotton farmers in Warangal market yard are being paid very less by the Telangana middlemen who are making great profits. Farmers are being coerced to sell their produce at low rates. How come telangana people are cheating telangana people ?
ReplyDeleteDoes any of hundreds of JACs ,orgs fighting for TG state ,have courage to actually fight for issues which actually help Telangana people ?
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ReplyDelete"Which side it is INDIE? On the side of Hosni Mubarak or the million people who marched for freedom? On the side of Hosni Mubarak or The Million People Who marched for freedom?"
India took Mubarak side when Indian Govt. declared the struggle as Egypt's internal matter.
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ReplyDelete"The problem here is that no one is against Telangana as long as they don't want to usurp Hyderabad by force and claim it as their own for no reason."
Only you and few of your fools clan saying the HYD is the problem. It is clear to every one in the country that Smakyavadis never accepted bifurcation with/without HYD.
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ReplyDelete"The double standard of TGites is what is the problem. They want freedom from themselves but don't want it for others."
HYD comes into matters only when central declared the bifurcation.
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@ Sera
ReplyDelete"The fear is that Hyderabad will not even be "colonized" by TG. The right word is that it may get "plundered".
Good comparison. And it will not be just plundering. Andhras & Muslims will definitely be targeted.
It has been more than 60 years since Razakars days but still these TG's hold grudge against muslims. Even last year we had riots for many days.
Imagine after this much hatred spread against andhras for how many years will they keep targeting andhras .
tintin,
ReplyDeleteI do not want to make assumption about. So more explicit questions
First let me add that nobody cares KCR (at least after SKC report). In fact it is T-vaadis to be careful him about. He may shoot his mouth (filled with Andhra-made biryani as he commented) to damage prospect of T formation.
By punishment I do not mean on the lines of empty threats by goondas.
As capital of AP Hyderabad is common property of all regions. Since it cannot be divided physically, how the other regions will be compensated?
By Hyderaabaadis I mean more than settlers. Wel MIM has not extended support to Telangana. BTW, none of MIM atended HM TV Dasa-disa. Some rebel groups MBT attended it.
HOME department. Here is the real catch.
As our madam Lavanyajee keeps saying 'home' did not do 'home work' properly. All that they know is shooting their mouth PC on Dec 9th and Pillai on Dec 10th.
But, T-vaadis demanding Hyderabad, which is the biggest asset of AP today, to be with Telangana should
also talk about liabilities.
SA will be patient enough to wait of some JBC to settler the matter after a few decades. Cash-n-carry is the best transaction ever in business.
"HYD comes into matters only when central declared the bifurcation. "
ReplyDeleteBifurcation comes into matter only after status of Hyderabad is decided.
Bifurcation comes into matter only after status of Hyderabad is decided.
ReplyDeleteNameless,
T-vaadis pretend to be slow-learners. :-)
@ SLB :
ReplyDeleteAs capital of AP Hyderabad is common property of all regions. Since it cannot be divided physically, how the other regions will be compensated?
Well it can be compensated either by sharing Hyderabad for a few years ( 5 - 10 )or with some budget allocated for it from Central and state Govt.
MIM has not extended support to Telangana.Some rebel groups MBT attended it.
MIM is a political party just like any other party.The only reason they want Rayala -Telangana is to make sure that muslims voters are more in number.After Dec 31st itself,there were 2 instances where Muslim Mahagarjana was organized.Because ppl have a notion that Muslims are passive in Telangana movement,they are coming out in support of T raising their voice through Mahagarjana.
A Muslim lawyer filed a Petition on two SKC members for saying that they insulted their sincerity towards Telangana agitation.
Muslims are writing articles also to show that MIM is just a party and T muslims are for Telangana.
Other than PRP and Loksatta,no other party is completely against Telangana.MIM was neutral, but for political benefits they said that they want Rayala- Telangana but did not say that they were against Telangana.
@Prabhakar Nothing Personal But you are an Idiot.
ReplyDelete<<The broad difference is common man in those countries in penury. It is not same with people in Telangana.
In egypt poverty percentage is 54%, i.e persons earning less than 2$ per day, Officially Indias poverty rate is 25% assuming the same rate in Telangana, but the thing is that
according to UN's estimates 75% indians Survive on Less than Half Dollar per day, By that Measure if we take 2$ figure as Poverty Line 90% of Indians or Telanganites will be below poverty line.
<<<Of course not entire India but present ruling establishment.
Blatant cover-up of corruption, inability to administer law and order against mischief makers, questioning all constitutional organizations.
What not?
On the lines of intellectual arrogant PC "India is no more or no less anarchy compared to those nations".
Governance was Never a Problem in Egypt, the Cabinet of Mubarak is Largely composed of Technocrats who provided effecient and mostly Corruption fee Rule to Egyptians, In ways Closer to Technocratic rule of Singapore than the corrupt and Ineffecient rule of Indians.
Of Course Egyptian Protests were excarbarated by the Growing Unemployment and Inequality caused mainly due to Egyptian govt Adopting the Policies of WTO and worlbank, aka reckless Privatization the same way India is doing.
The Fight of Both Egyptians and Telangana people was Never only about Food and Jobs, if that was the Cause poor African countries or Bihar in India would have erupted in Uprisings and Revolutions.
But what Telangana people and Egyptians or Tunisians have in common is that they Both Had a Govt( a Democracy if u call it) that Did not Listen to Their People and their voice of Dissent and Instead Chose to Supress the Protests. Mubarak had Islamic Threat as an excuse Andhras are Using Naxal threat as an excuse. But the End will be same in both Places.
One more advice for U, Please stick to movie gossip( something andhras are only good at) and dont Venture in to International Affairs, Its beyond the Scope of your Andhra Head.
@ Wiki
ReplyDelete"Officially Indias poverty rate is 25% assuming the same rate in Telangana, but the thing is that
according to UN's estimates 75% indians Survive on Less than Half Dollar per day, By that Measure if we take 2$ figure as Poverty Line 90% of Indians or Telanganites will be below poverty line. "
Please provide links for the above statements.
"Officially Indias poverty rate is 25% assuming the same rate in Telangana, but the thing is that
ReplyDeleteaccording to UN's estimates 75% indians Survive on Less than Half Dollar per day, By that Measure if we take 2$ figure as Poverty Line 90% of Indians or Telanganites will be below poverty line."
For discussion sake ,lets assume what you wrote is true. If 90% of Indians are poor ,then it follows that 90% of Andhras are also poor.
How come 90% of andhras are still poor when according to you ,they stole lakhs of jobs, stole your water , stole your coal? Why did they remain poor despite having telangana as a colony ?
Well it can be compensated either by sharing Hyderabad for a few years ( 5 - 10 )or
ReplyDeleteSo far no such talk from any side central government or T groups.
MIM is a political party just like any other party...
Whatever could be reason, MIM concerns important or not?
I do not want to undermine Garjanas.
At this juncture none of these groups or JACs will be party to the actual discussions.
Please do not argue on the lines of peoples movement etc.
The point is Central Government is talking to political parties only. Period.
So it will be MIM that represents Muslims in Telangana (at least Hyderabad) eventually.
Well! Not heard your view on sharing liabilities. I am sure you know 1.1 Lakh cores.
Indians are happy to see millions of Egyptians march across Cairo and other cities protesting against the dictatorial rule of Mubarak. Indians are on the side of the people of Egypt today (not withstanding the imbecile 'its their internal matter' response from the Govt of India)
ReplyDeleteNow why is it that the same Indians never paid much attention to the 2.5 mil (numers vary based on whos telling) Telangana march? Why is it that most Indians perceive this movement as narrow and opportunistic? That says a lot about this so called freedom fight!
The Egyptians now want to see the back of Mubarak who is their own person and has ruled their people with iron hand. I would love to see the people of Telangana kick the asses of their politicians who have been perpetuating lies, blaming everything on their neighbors instead of taking responsibility.
In egypt poverty percentage is 54%,
ReplyDeleteDamn bored with spin-doctors!
Just fyi... do you know there is a measure called PPP to evaluate economies?
Governance was Never a Problem in Egypt..
I do not really bother about how it happened in Egypt. The point is dire poverty of common man has driven the internal rebellion.
No such thing will happen in Telangana. Period.
Indians are happy to see millions of Egyptians march across Cairo
ReplyDeleteWho are these Indians?
A few journalist and foreign affairs commentors/analysts?
But lakhs of Indian stock market investors are cusring. These unrests pushed up oil prices and so pushed down markets badly.
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ReplyDelete"It should not hesitate to kill its own people , when some people decide to kill other people , burn their properties ,rape them or evict them."
I wonder why they should hesitate when a section of people constantly looting looting other region because they are smart or majority.
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ReplyDelete"If your cause is constitutional , then win all seats in elections , convince enough MPs to vote for TG bill in parliament. "
We already have enough MPs to vote for Telangana, the only problem is to put it in the parliament.
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ReplyDelete"But when many attacks happened on andhras in months of Dec 2009 & Jan 2010, none were reported."
None were reported to Police either, may be none exists at all.
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ReplyDelete"How can you have double standards here. You want your self-rule. We want our self-rule. How can you deny us while you want to claim yours."
We deny you because there is no 'you', its only one person asking for that.
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ReplyDelete"1. The present TGites.
2. The money from Andhra and Rayalseema historically via many pacts with the british.
3. The money from the six districts of the erstwhile districts of Hyderabad which are no longer part of Telangana.
4. And the money of the SA guys for the past 50 odd years.
5. And money from people like us who came from up north."
You forgot two more names who has the share in HYD. that is Pakistan and Bangladesh.
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ReplyDelete"If your cause is constitutional , then win all seats in elections , convince enough MPs to vote for TG bill in parliament."
But you couldn't do the same for 'Andhra State' formation. Double standards?
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ReplyDelete"This is utter rubbish because this is a region within a state and not a whole nation itself."
Yup, that looks rubbish to you when you cant argue further... I can understand. ..
@ tin tin
ReplyDeleteFrankly, It makes no difference to me as a person who is working in Bangalore.
That's good. I don't come from a school that thinks that we should not have an opinion on the Dictatorship in Burma or the human rights there.
So,you are only left with Telangana w/o marathwada and Kannada speaking regions of the then Hyderabad state.
There's nothing called that area without those two areas. Hence there should be a new realignment. What should the problem with that. If there can't be the past "as is", there should be a new future.
What i want to say is that you don't have to support a cause only if you have personal gains.
No you don't have to. It just makes it more imperative and crucial if you have personal stakes in it.
Though the bifurcation might not benefit me, it benefits those suffering. . .
This is where the problem comes. When you take other people's money you may want to do all the good in the world. My argument in this is simple. There are people who benefit by Option 4 and should we want to deny their benefits?
It is estimated that alomst 1 lakh jobs in govt sector can be vacated.It will help all those unemployed get a job thereby helping them raise their standards of living.
The more the states split or governments expand more jobs will be created. In fact if it is a nation there will be even more jobs. But should that be a reason to form a new state. That's a totally baseless argument. And anyway those figures are by the way are an exaggeration.
I am not sure if you have gone through SKC report.
Be assured that I have. In fact I/we have a team which I/we pay personally who work on this. That's the way we submitted a detailed report to SKC on our arguments. We feel that the Option 4 is an outcome of that.
We get more colleges and universities if we get Telangana.When each district of Rayalaseema has a medical college, entire telangana excluding Hyd has 1 medical college.Such in the situation here.
This is something I want to know more about. How many private and how many government. My team and lawyers tell me that the present Health University was a private funded institution and later "taken over" by the govt. Is that true? Were the private guys compensated by the taxes of the state or was it a flat take-over like nationalization. I want to know how this private/govt dichotomy along with "nationalization/state-ization" works. How many private institutes were taken over by the state in what region and how many were "compensated". Sujai, Lavanya, Green Star SLB or name less can you help me here?
Please be assured that no telangana vaadi is speaking about pay back from other side (read as SA).Their focus is only on getting Telangana and not on making SA repay for what they did.
This is irresponsible on your part tintin. Realise that all investments (private and govt and central govt) were made in HYD because it was the capital. If TGites are willing to take Telangana without HYD then it is an argument that's valid.
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ReplyDelete"Elections in AP have not been conducted under the military gun like it has been done in Egypt."
So, when did you saw in Egypt that elections has been conducted under the military gun?
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"For example I know people who compare KCR with Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc. "
Done forget, even there are many Indians who dont like Gandhi, Gadse for example...
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"Like I said before the issue here is one region's people cannot claim Hyderabad for themselves and plan to exploit it."
Here the discussion is not about your private toilet. The question is about Telangana formation.
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"The Maharashtra movement ended up losing Goa, Karwar and Belgaum."
Our current movement ends by Andhra loosing HYD. Thats all.
@tintin,
ReplyDelete//Please read from page 175 to 210 which speaks about the number of educational institutions in Telangana as compared to those in SA.//
Some nice observations...
It is not just the number of schools and colleges,that are found in the region,even the quality of the education provided (student to teacher ratio,etc..)that must be taken into account....
The geniuses in here keep talking about GDP,with even understanding the concept of it clearly...
Important factors like Health and Sanitation,Medical services, Education,Vocational and Professional Training and several other aspects are coolly ignored in all their arguments...
Try pointing out the real factors that are supposed to be concentrated on,and they start with
another round of Past Vs Present...
Do yourself a favour don't engage...and Good Luck.
And to the "extent" that I belong to Telangana, I hate this catching-feet business that repeatedly comes up from the mouths of the TG leaders - be it congress or TRS.
ReplyDeleteWhat nonsense?
There needs to be a certain sense of self-respect that people should have. And more-so taken the fact that this is supposed to be a self-rule movement.
I actually feel hurt about this.
We should come to an agreement and do Option 4 and have 3 states - Telangana with warangal as capital, SA as i-don't know what as capital and Hyderabad as Hyderabad as capital. Then we should show a finger to Madam Soniya and ask her to take a flying ride in any circus joint she wants.
"Our current movement ends by Andhra loosing HYD. Thats all."
ReplyDeleteOh ,when will that happen ? Please update us if you have insider info.
Your dear KCR already saying we have to fight 10 years :)
And who knows future 'Andhra may loose Hyd , India may loose Andhra'.
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ReplyDelete"Media DOMINATED / CONTROLLED by andhra origin managements, know exactly well what to cover & how to cover. "
Well said Rakesh, another example, SKC said 'United Andhra' as first option and ruled out saying not possible in current situation. And they gave the same option as six but with few conditions. So there are two options with United AP, those are
1. United Andhra
2. Conditional United Andhra.
I clearly remember the Eenadu head lines with big letters saying సమక్à°¯ాà°¨ిà°•ే à°®ొదటి à°µోà°Ÿు , the reader who ever just looks at it thinks that is Option one. Instead that title should be à°·à°°à°¤ులతో à°•ూà°¡ిà°¨ సమక్à°¯ాà°¨ిà°•ే à°®ొదటి à°µోà°Ÿు .
Here the discussion is not about your private toilet. The question is about Telangana formation.
ReplyDeleteWe are neither discussing your constipation problems. The question is about Hyderabad state formation with Nalgonda and Mehboobnagar as part of it.
@ Lavanya
ReplyDelete"It is not just the number of schools and colleges,that are found in the region,even the quality of the education provided (student to teacher ratio,etc..)that must be taken into account....
The geniuses in here keep talking about GDP,with even understanding the concept of it clearly...
Important factors like Health and Sanitation,Medical services, Education,Vocational and Professional Training and several other aspects are coolly ignored in all their arguments..."
Madam ,I am sure you guys have the numbers for these quality factors for andhra & telangana regions ,please share them with us.
>>And when I say US. I mean non-telugu speaking people. We find it amusing that a guy in warangal and a guy in anantpur or vijaywada should discuss this without taking the Hyderabadis into account.
ReplyDeleteNo, when you say 'US', you do not including all non-telugu speaking people. I am a Urdu speaking Muslim in HYD. May be you mean non-Telugu people who migrated to HYD centuries ago. We are the one who here from the birth of HYD. We welcomed you here, that is only the reason you are here. We, Muslim community currently divided between United AP and Telangana. None of us ready for separate HYD. This separate HYD makes only our brothers in other regions as tiny minorities which we dont like. That is the reason we support United AP, if not possible Rayala Telangana, if that is not, well Telangana. But Separate HYD, never.
Can anyone throw more light on this. It is important at least for us. We are going to meet a senior person at Delhi and I want this info. Not just colleges but also schools - how does this private/govt dichotomy work across the regions of SA and TG. How many private schools/colleges in SA/TG and how many taken-over by the Govt? In Hyderabad we have the numbers. But how does it work in other SA/TG areas. Anyone? Were the JNTUs govt funded, the medical colleges, the degree colleges etc. A small Note: Most christian institutions are not completely govt funded. I really want to know this. We have some info like Loyola of Vijayawada was not built using govt funds but leaving the big institutions we have little info or maybe there could be a lot more. And if I need to stand corrected on anything I would like to be.
ReplyDeleteWe get more colleges and universities if we get Telangana.When each district of Rayalaseema has a medical college, entire telangana excluding Hyd has 1 medical college.Such in the situation here.
This is something I want to know more about. How many private and how many government. My team and lawyers tell me that the present Health University was a private funded institution and later "taken over" by the govt. Is that true? Were the private guys compensated by the taxes of the state or was it a flat take-over like nationalization. I want to know how this private/govt dichotomy along with "nationalization/state-ization" works. How many private institutes were taken over by the state in what region and how many were "compensated". Sujai, Lavanya, Green Star SLB or name less can you help me here?
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ReplyDelete"1. Should otherside forego everything and follow what T-vaadis dictate? Effectively get ready to be punished for mistakes happened in the past.
2. There are people* of Hyderabad who identify themselves more with Hyderabad than with Telangana. Will they have any say in the process of division?
3. What happens to liabilities of AP state? Who will bear them after division?"
1. We dont dictate, you should abandon 'United Andhra' crap, start talking. That is only way we both can workout a solution.
2. As long as they considered as 'Hyderabadies', they can still considered themselves like that. We are not forcing them to identify them as 'Telanganites' .
3. That discussion starts only after leaving 'United Crap' drama.
>>And that's why Hyderabad should be a UT or a second capital to India or we should move ahead and go for Option 4.
ReplyDeleteWho are you to demand that, you are a tiny(may be you are only one like some one said before) population in HYD to talk on behalf of all Hyderabadies. All migrants (non-telugu, SA people) comes only after us, even native Telanganaites population also less than us. Our community clearly declared no for separate HYD.
@ SLB :
ReplyDeleteThe share of liability will definitely not be 50 - 50.According to my opinion it would be better to follow the ratio of the amount collected from each area.For examples Sales tax collected from Telangana ( incl Hyd ) is about 82.8 ,Kosta is 14.3% and Rayalaseema is 2.9%.So,the distribution should be in that ratio.
Now i might sound very biased.The reason i want this to happen is there are other ways where Telangana lost a lot like FDI ( Foreign direct investment).
Telangana region excluding Hyderabad has
received only `1658 crores compared with `5499 crores investments in coastal
Andhra. Rayalaseema has received just `732 cores of FDI investments taken from SKC report directly though i feel that they have many mistakes.
Well the list goes on with PRIs, SSA etc, lots of such things where all the three regions almost even out.
The final ratio has to be calculated and the liability distribution should be in that ratio given that the govt jobs are filled as per Telangana's norms to make sure the same injustice doesn't happen :-)
Sujai is turning out to be anti-national. He is mixing up the actions of Indian police and Army.
ReplyDeleteSujai, give me ONE instance where army was used to deal with internal disiturbance? Not even against Naxalites. You are ignorant and anti-national to the core to make such an allegation.
Your stand against India is on the assumption that democratically elected govts are authoritarian. It will not fly against any foreign agent that u trust more than Indian govt. Your MLAs and MPs rule ur region but u draw parallel between Egyptians and Telangana... no one will support u.
This is anti-India post with lies that even Pakistan will not accuse us of. I do not want to elevate the stature of this anti-nation traitor by responding in detail.
@ Sera
ReplyDeleteHope this is of some use to you.
Coming to schools , i dont think govt took over many schools. Even if it did the overall number will be minuscule when compared to actual schools set up by govt.
But when it comes to colleges , this number becomes significant. In coastal especially many Christian colleges where taken over by govt and they run now like govt aided colleges. You can find these colleges all over old cities in coastal . I also know andhra university existed prior to independence.
Coming to compensation these colleges where owned by missionaries or charitable trusts , so i dont think any compensation was paid nor asked by those trusts.
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ReplyDelete"Not really! They were more intersted in joining back on linguhistic basis, something that T-vaadis to explain why they were desparate to leave Hyderabad state even at the cost of loosing share in Telangana resources."
The same way how Andhra separated from Madras leaving the combined resources for Madras.
@ Karim
ReplyDeleteNo, when you say 'US', you do not including all non-telugu speaking people. I am a Urdu speaking Muslim in HYD. May be you mean non-Telugu people who migrated to HYD centuries ago. We are the one who here from the birth of HYD. We welcomed you here, that is only the reason you are here. We, Muslim community currently divided between United AP and Telangana. None of us ready for separate HYD. This separate HYD makes only our brothers in other regions as tiny minorities which we dont like. That is the reason we support United AP, if not possible Rayala Telangana, if that is not, well Telangana. But Separate HYD, never.
Bhai. Samajh. Humne aapke Saabji se bhi baat ki. Separate HYD hoga tho aap Kings rehange., Kingmaker nai, Kings.
Separate HYD state kaise bhi banega. Choice hain nai. Har UT state ban jhata hai. Sir ji aap soncho. Yeh SA aur TG logo ke saath apne ko kyun? Maango apni mulk apne liye, apne state apne liye.
Apneko kya lena dena een dono ke beech main. United AP hai to rehne do. Woh kaisa bhi hakikat hai. Nah to Option 4 mangho. Apne pure bhai Mehboobnagar or Nalgonda me to hai na? Rayala Telangana bhi apne ko doodh me paani milana hai.
Option 4 apne ko sahi hai bhai.
As long as they considered as 'Hyderabadies', they can still considered themselves like that. We are not forcing them to identify them as 'Telanganites' .
ReplyDeleteDictator speak this is. "We are not forcing them". You think we are beggars or your servants.
The color of future Telangana is showing here itself.
@Name less "For discussion sake ,lets assume what you wrote is true. If 90% of Indians are poor ,then it follows that 90% of Andhras are also poor"
ReplyDeleteMr. Brainless what logic it is?
I revise my comments... when Khalistani terrorists were holed up in golden temple, we had to call army to flush them out. Except cases where terrorists took the country hostage, army was never used.
ReplyDeleteSujai realized their ploy to weaken India by creating a 'movement of lies and hatred' is not working... hence started heaping abuses on Indian army, govt and sovereignity.
As per Sujai, other countries are better off than India. Please leave and take ur folks with u. We do not want to do anything with people who hate the idea of India. When u get radio tagging devices on ur legs to minotor ur movements, u will realize how foul-mouthing India on internet is much easier.
But when it comes to colleges , this number becomes significant. In coastal especially many Christian colleges where taken over by govt and they run now like govt aided colleges. You can find these colleges all over old cities in coastal . I also know andhra university existed prior to independence.
ReplyDeleteComing to compensation these colleges where owned by missionaries or charitable trusts , so i dont think any compensation was paid nor asked by those trusts.
Thanks name less for that indication. I will put my team to work for the details. I wanted to know the macro direction. If you have any other inputs they will be appreciated.
After this discussion I also got some info that the Medical college or Hindu college in guntur was actually was not govt funded but funded by some trust/individual/private group. I am not sure whether it is true and what is what. I just made the call after reading tin tin.
""For discussion sake ,lets assume what you wrote is true. If 90% of Indians are poor ,then it follows that 90% of Andhras are also poor"
ReplyDeleteMr. Brainless what logic it is?"
Mr.Dumbo why dont you ask your fellow TG 'Wiki' ,how he intrepreted that 90% of TG are poor ?
@ Lavanya :
ReplyDeleteThe reference i gave there was only one pointer.There are lot of such pointers in the report.
There are lot of such pointers.But i don't want to feed everything to guys here.Even if they are genuinely against T, they should go through the report and realize that report is not about what media thinks it is.Though SKC did lots of mistakes it couldn't cover up the injustice done.
Disgusting to see it come from a retired Chief Justice of apex court and a retired IAS officer.
Its like saying, yes, their hands were burnt but that's ok, the injuries are not so serious as they were on the day the hands were burnt.So,ignore !!!!
In the times when other countries are coming up with tunnels through big hilly structures,SKC tells that it is time taking to complete SLBC tunnel.Perhaps they forgot that the project took off in 1981 and this is 2011.Nalgonda's fluoride problem because of this uncompleted SLBC finds no mention.
Very repelling !!
@Lavanya :
ReplyDeleteYou can also find that the pass mark for Hindi is 18 and for English, it is 35 :-)
SKC agrees that this is true
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ReplyDelete"1. Are you ready to accept the ORGINAL Hyderabad city that existed at the time of MERGER (1956) with BALDIA limits (MCH)"
Good question, I have asked this hundreds of time, and the cowards never answered it.
tintin. . . Please stop acting smart. Its neither good for this discussion or even otherwise. The SKC made it clear that there was no discrimination and whatever "is felt" is what is there across India.
ReplyDeletePlease don't think other people don't read things. We/I have read it and have had even summaries prepared by my team chapter-wise. There has been no discrimination or under-development. Of course guys can imagine what they want - there's no stopping that.
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ReplyDelete"Circars and Ceded districts were also part of Hyderabad State."
Whats matter is, whats there after the Indian independence. We can not demand(we can request) Kohinoor diamond even though every one in the world knows the British took it from India. Indian govt is not responsible for what ever happened before the Independence.
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ReplyDelete"I just saw once news item on TV. Cotton farmers in Warangal market yard are being paid very less by the Telangana middlemen who are making great profits. Farmers are being coerced to sell their produce at low rates. How come telangana people are cheating telangana people ?"
I too just saw TV, they saying they company in Khammam paid very less salary, not they removed from jobs because we are Telangana@ and the owner is from Guntur. How come a fellow telugu people can cheat another Telugu people?
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ReplyDelete"Bifurcation comes into matter only after status of Hyderabad is decided."
Hyderabad status can be decided only when Anti-Telanganas leaves there United crap behind and start talking
@Sera :
ReplyDeleteI have no interest in showing my smartness here in a public forum.
Frankly,you were not in my mind when in wrote that.That statement was about ppl i generally come across when i discuss this topic.i give such pointers or links when ever i write something.
For the same reason i replied with any info i remembered but never attacked you personally.So,no offense.Not pointed to those who are trying to put forth their point.May be i should have been specific.Counter arguments are always welcomed.
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ReplyDelete"I would love to see the people of Telangana kick the asses of their politicians who have been perpetuating lies, blaming everything on their neighbors instead of taking responsibility."
The same way how Egyptiangs decided whom to kick, we, Telanga@ will decide whom to kick, thanks for your advise, we reject it.
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ReplyDelete"There are people who benefit by Option 4 and should we want to deny their benefits?"
Who? How?
@ Tintin
ReplyDelete"In the times when other countries are coming up with tunnels through big hilly structures,SKC tells that it is time taking to complete SLBC tunnel.Perhaps they forgot that the project took off in 1981 and this is 2011.Nalgonda's fluoride problem because of this uncompleted SLBC finds no mention."
Perhaps someone should tell you 'Polvarama' was envisaged in 1970's .It has not even started till now. Was that a Telangana conspiracy ?
Fluoride problem exists in praksam, guntur , ananthpur ,kurnool districts also
"Hyderabad status can be decided only when Anti-Telanganas leaves there United crap behind and start talking"
ReplyDeleteOh ,you guys want to talk with us now. Then why does your Sujai say that there is nothing to talk with andhras ?
""1. Are you ready to accept the ORGINAL Hyderabad city that existed at the time of MERGER (1956) with BALDIA limits (MCH)"
ReplyDeleteGood question, I have asked this hundreds of time, and the cowards never answered it."
SKC answered on behalf of all of us. Didnt you read option 4 where it defined the boundaries of Hyd.
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ReplyDelete"The more the states split or governments expand more jobs will be created. In fact if it is a nation there will be even more jobs. But should that be a reason to form a new state. That's a totally baseless argument."
Stupid example. You should now where to stop the splitting. You ate once a day, you feel sick, eat 10 times , still feel sick.
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"We feel that the Option 4 is an outcome of that. "
We feel the Option4 is come out from Suitecases who want HYD for them in disguise of United Crap.
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"My team and lawyers tell me that the present Health University was a private funded institution and later "taken over" by the govt."
By the way his team, his lawyer, his gang, every thing is he only, one man army. When ever time demands he sits in that particular chair, thats all.
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"I want to know how this private/govt dichotomy along with "nationalization/state-ization" works."
The same way how toll roads works. How shamshabad airport works, how the metro train in HYD was planned.
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"Sujai, Lavanya, Green Star SLB or name less can you help me here?"
Nope, get your own data, cost you just a rupee, I am sure you have the Andhra Jesus Mr. Lagadapati's number.
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ReplyDelete"It is not just the number of schools and colleges,that are found in the region,even the quality of the education provided (student to teacher ratio,etc..)that must be taken into account....
"
You will be more surprised if you see the funds spended for this felicities region wise. I am sure SKC not looked into such details.
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ReplyDelete"We should come to an agreement and do Option 4 and have 3 states - Telangana with warangal as capital, SA as i-don't know what as capital and Hyderabad as Hyderabad as capital. Then we should show a finger to Madam Soniya and ask her to take a flying ride in any circus joint she wants."
Why do you want Option4? Why not just HYD? Is there any personal interest? or you are in the SA payroll? Why not include Guntur, Krishna into Option-4? That way both Telangana, Seemandra loose same level and both are even?
KCRs speech in AP assembly in 1996 ,where he says that we should remove zonal system ,six point formula etc.
ReplyDeletelink :http://www.anigalla.net/post/KCR-speech-in-Assembly-in-1996-against-Zonal-System-and-Six-Point-Formula.aspx
Like they say , the lamb only trusts the butcher. (I know only telugu version ,hope english translation is correct)
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ReplyDelete"Oh ,when will that happen ? Please update us if you have insider info.
Your dear KCR already saying we have to fight 10 years :)
And who knows future 'Andhra may loose Hyd , India may loose Andhra'."
If what ever KCR said true (10 years) then everything he said is true (including the SA are demons, SA biryani tastes like cow shit).
Busted....
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ReplyDelete"We are neither discussing your constipation problems. The question is about Hyderabad state formation with Nalgonda and Mehboobnagar as part of it."
No one interested to discussing your piles problem,,, sorry ... about your HYD problem. I dont see any news articles demanding some one to implement Option4. There is a big group asked for Telangana, so central started listening, another big group asked for United Andhra, they also listening that. No one in the country give a damn about O-4, infact every one laughed(in IBN discussion) at SKC to consider such a foolish option. As long as you done make news in media, no one cares about you. Your situation is like trying to sell ice in Himalayas, who cares you?
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ReplyDelete"That is the reason we support United AP, if not possible Rayala Telangana, if that is not, well Telangana. But Separate HYD, never."
Well said.
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteYes what you said is right.Infact, in Andhra Pradesh, all districts have an excess of fluoride in their groundwater. But 60% of fluoride affected areas are in Anantapur, Nalgonda, Karimnagar and Prakasham districts.
Polavaram would have just been envisaged.But SLBC had got all permissions required to go ahead with the constructions by 1981.The problems that govt projected after Marri Chenna Reddy got down from CM post are an open secret.
You can also search for Fluoride problem in Google,you see most of the pointers to Nalgonda.Though Karimnagar is also effected with fluoride, it is not so serious as it is Nalgonda.
The reason why Nalgonda is in the focus is Nagarjun Sagar dam which is in the same district as per the records.The location of Nagarjuna Sagar dam is a big "conspiracy" (the sae word u used).After this happened,Marri Chenna reddy came up with SLBC to solve water problem of Nalgonda thereby stopping them from drinking ground water.Sad that Govt could dig up only 6km 30 m out of 44km in these 30yrs.
I would have accepted that fluoride problem in Prakasham dist is because of the some conspiracy of T politicians if "CMs were from Telangana who avoided any good proceedings happen in those areas like it happened in Nalgonda"
you might be interested to see this video about polavaram from a person fro irrigation department.
http://www.veoh.com/collection/telangana/watch/v4607287azYZga5a
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ReplyDelete"We are going to meet a senior person at Delhi "
SKC clowns? Do you have another crazy option to ask them to include? You already made them jokers infront of whole India, still not satisfied?
Restricting myself to Tunisia and Egypt, I am deeply skeptical of these mobs calling for the overthrow of the government in Islamic countries. Certainly, what happens in those cases is not the French Revolution.
ReplyDeleteIt would most likely be a case of one dictator replacing another, taking advantage of the anarchy, or worse, pave way for Islamic theocracy.
Iran is a wonderful example. Iraq, after the ouster of Saddam, is yet another.
With the exception of Turkey, there can be no sustained democracy in any Islamic country. This is what history has shown us.
"If what ever KCR said true (10 years) then everything he said is true (including the SA are demons, SA biryani tastes like cow shit)."
ReplyDeleteOh but didnt u guys cheer when TRS party won with bumper majority in bye elections. Was that all fake cheering.
As for nasty comments on andhras that only shows your frustration and hatred for andhras.
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ReplyDelete"I do not want to elevate the stature of this anti-nation traitor by responding in detail."
Dear God, you saved me for today, thank you.
@Sera,
ReplyDelete//There are people who benefit by Option 4 and should we want to deny their benefits?//
If it is only about sharing benefits,then why not propose,a UT with HYD,R.R,Nzmbd and Medak,instead of Nalgonda and Mbngr...that ways we get to share borders with Karnataka,Maha and Telangana....
Would that be fine with you???Since you said to be having personal investments in Nalgonda,would you let go of your Nalgonda unit to help Medak???...
If not,just do not play up this development card again...
//Is that true? Were the private guys compensated by the taxes of the state or was it a flat take-over like nationalization. I want to know how this private/govt dichotomy along with "nationalization/state-ization" works.//
Are you outsourcing your work , here ???:-)
Rest assured,your team and your lawyers will only tell you what you want to hear,without giving the hard details....
The government has taken over several well established businesses and lands with GO's(Road Transport or RTC,banks etc)...
And so is "dunne vadide bhoomi",or the tiller gets to own the land system,a form of take over of private assets,(without compensation)...
Several educational institutions that had been started were either turned to aided schools and colleges or were completely taken over(Mahbub college,PG college,HPS etc were started by philanthropists)
Why exactly do you think SEZ's are so violently opposed by the locals???The SEZ's are nothing but the state taking over the lands of the people with a straight G.O...
//Realise that all investments (private and govt and central govt) were made in HYD because it was the capital.//
The largest investments in India are made by the government in agricultural sector..(Hence so many Multi purpose dams,which run into several lakhs of crores every year...)
Do you find cities and towns growing around them???Infact any kind of deviation in land usage around them is vigorously fought....
Here is another example:
The government takes away several lakhs of hectares of land from the farmers there and pays them very small amounts before the development.These people sometimes thousands and lakhs in number are forced to work under the contractors on dam sites or on large farms for daily wages,for lack of employment pertaining their skills...
And,the worst case scenarios are those who were found to be begging on the roads of Hyderabad,since they could not find proper work in their villages,after such take overs...
In fact not having a very well developed region is considered as a boon these days...
So,if your businesses,banks,(example GTB being taken over by OBC)or lands are needed by the government please do not assume that your connections are going to help you when they come knocking on your doors,they wont...
If it was done for the general good,one would still assume,but mostly it ends up providing down payments for the BMW's or the jacuzzi's.And that is just not fair...
@ tin tin
ReplyDelete"Polavaram would have just been envisaged.But SLBC had got all permissions required to go ahead with the constructions by 1981.The problems that govt projected after Marri Chenna Reddy got down from CM post are an open secret."
Stop your BS. After chenna Anjiah came he was also from TG. Then chenna came to power once again in 1989. why didnt the project take off then ?
And what do the andhras gain by stopping this project?
Dont blame andhras for every delayed work or project in TG.
Polavaram couldnt even get all the required permissions in 30 years. Whom should the andhras blame ?
And is the location of Nagarjuna Sagar a conspiracy ? If Andhras had been so clever they would have made sure that the dam was built in andhra region so that control of dam permanently rests with andhra .
All these spins that you put are all part of TG propaganda. No one is going to fall for those tricks anymore.
>>Option 4 apne ko sahi hai bhai.
ReplyDeleteMuje sharam ho rahe hi ki tum muje bhai bolte bhi doosre bhai ko choddoneka bolrahaai.
Even big Razkar incidents, there was no clashes after that period. But after the merge we know many religious clashes happened in HYD, we had to face so much destruction, many of our youth sent to jails, few turned into anti-nationals, whos the reason for all this? Its open secret, many of this incidents ignited artificially for few Seema(not Andhra) leaders power hungry.
If division is must, we stay neutral(Rayala Telangana is out of option by SKC), we dont want to take sides, and we try our best to get Majority of our Muslims brothers onboard where they all benefited with HYD. This is only possible first AP, second Rayala Telangana, third Telangana.
You can argue for your Option-4, but stop claiming you talk behalf of all Hyderabadies. You dont represent our Muslims community. We never afraid of any one to express our decisions and wishes. Remember, we never favored to go on our own way.
>>Dictator speak this is. "We are not forcing them". You think we are beggars or your servants.
ReplyDeleteI think you(only you, not other Hyderabadies) a beggar, who begs for Option-4 but no one gives a damn about you.
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ReplyDelete"Mr. Brainless what logic it is?"
Its a new math, SKC invented it. They do so many wonders with there magic. They are very very very good at math, for example with there math logic they can turn Somalia into "better than USA" in one year.
@ Nameless :
ReplyDeletePlease be informed that the year i mentioned is 1981.That was when Anjiah was the CM.SLBC was not a thing that suddenly happened.Marri Chenna Reddy had to appoint a committee to find out a way to solve Nalgonda's water probem.Then followed by the plan and permissions to bring it into reality.So,it all started in 1981.
Having seen India,you should know how fast things move.Later the problems were projected saying that if SLBC is dug it is going to poison all the forests and the environment around.Then environment and Forest department examined and certified that the plan was very optimized and perfect for implementation and no harm is caused to environment.Then again the proceedings were halted claiming that they don't have equipment ? After this is solved they told it is not possible to dig this and stopped it.
Who do you blame for all this ? T politicians ?
And is the location of Nagarjuna Sagar a conspiracy ? If Andhras had been so clever they would have made sure that the dam was built in andhra region so that control of dam permanently rests with andhra .
:-)precisely that's what the govt from Andhra did by constructing it 20kms down from the actual place and later told that Telangana is a high land.So,water doesn't flow.
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ReplyDelete"I will put my team to work for the details."
[This is how his team looks like]
tintin,
ReplyDeletesincere thanks for reply on sharing liabilities.
True it is complex. But it must be talked about before division happens.
Honestly this is first sensible post on any of T forums.
I wish a person who matters in division process reads your post.
@Karim,
ReplyDelete//Why do you want Option4? Why not just HYD? Is there any personal interest? or you are in the SA payroll? Why not include Guntur, Krishna into Option-4? That way both Telangana, Seemandra loose same level and both are even?//
Thanks for asking the question again...
I have posed the same question to Sera several times,without any answer....
Trust me you will not get one,since this is one answer he does NOT have..
His concerns are only with his own investments in R.R or Nalgonda and he does not stoop enough,to safeguard his personal assets.
Sera is nobody's friend,he is just the selfish and greedy face of capitalism and corruption in A.P today....
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ReplyDelete"There has been no discrimination or under-development. Of course guys can imagine what they want - there's no stopping that."
It is same way like even after proving the looting with Bhargava report numbers, Name Less simply ruled out saying there is no looting.
Same applies to SKC too, few agreements which protects Telangana were broken, there is small discrimination in education, small discrimination in health, small percentage jobs stolen, small discrimination in irrigation but it has good reasons........ over all , there is no discrimination.
That is how SKC logic works.
I have no interest in showing my smartness here in a public forum
ReplyDeletetintin,
unfortuntely entire T issue revolves around this point. Efforts of most people on "other side" was to first settle whether T was discriminated or not.
Coming back to the same point again and again is going to bore anybody.
Well, do not take this as personal attack.
Somewhere these allegations have to end by way of either confirming them or rehecting them.
As of now, efforts by Govt. show no discrimination. If T-vaadis reject govt (which they have every right to) stand it is better to come up with independent report. A debate cannot go on forever with proving/disproving allegations.
>>Oh ,you guys want to talk with us now. Then why does your Sujai say that there is nothing to talk with andhras ?
ReplyDeleteIf Seemandras really want a solution, they would have requested for Talks, nothing really happened from that side, so no talks with Andhra.
By the way, we are not talking on behalf of all Telangaan@, every one has there own opinion, thats why we have many JACs acting on there own,but working for same cause on there own style. If Sujais says 'no talks with Andhra', or KCR says 'I love you Lagadapati', thats not from all of us.
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ReplyDelete"SKC answered on behalf of all of us. Didnt you read option 4 where it defined the boundaries of Hyd."
Didn't I said from the beginning that SKC works for Seemandra@? Here is the proof.
Any way one fool thinks Option-4 is HYD.
You can also find that the pass mark for Hindi is 18 and for English, it is 35 :-)
ReplyDeleteSKC agrees that this is true
Maybe this meant for Lavanya only.
But I do not see reason for :-) for the numbers.
It was true at least 15 years ago. In SSC passmark for Hindi was 18 only. Half of my class scraped through with 20-25.
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ReplyDelete"KCRs speech in AP assembly in 1996 ,where he says that we should remove zonal system ,six point formula etc."
Nehru ridiculed the demand for Visalandhra as an idea bearing a "tint of expansionist imperialism". (Indian Express, October 17, 1953).
Nehru accepted the merge in 1956.
CBN, Chiru supported Telangana in past Assembly elections
Now they reject it.
Seemandra@ supported Samakyandra in 1956, rejected in 1972, supported again in 2009.
Now who is lamb and who is butcher in above ?
@SLB :
ReplyDeleteI am not serious at all.Anyways thanks for telling :-).That's why i have accepted that it might have looked arrogant but it was unintentional and not pointed to anyone who puts his point forth with his reasons.
I don't take things personally.So,I never attack anyone personally.Its ok if ppl oppose me.Everyone has one's own say.
If T-vaadis reject govt (which they have every right to) stand it is better to come up with independent report.
Yes.I read that attempts are being made to come up with facts which T ppl think are true to challenge SKC report.I hope its true and comes out in the near future.
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ReplyDelete"Oh but didnt u guys cheer when TRS party won with bumper majority in bye elections. Was that all fake cheering.
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Every one knows he won because people voted for Telangana, and want to show there rejections towards other parties for there back stab. If TG people really like KCR, then he would had won in all elections, instead he keep loosing his ground election by election.
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"As for nasty comments on andhras that only shows your frustration and hatred for andhras."
Hatred? That is what you earned for treating us second class citizens in our own land.
Frustration? nope, I actually enjoyed like how you enjoyed when your Andhra Jesus Lagadapati called TG people as Naxalites.
@ SLB :
ReplyDeleteIn SSC passmark for Hindi was 18 only.
Not a serious issue.But a few have a point that Hindi (very well acquainted to Telangana person ) has lower pass mark when English (very well acquainted to SA person )has high pass mark.
I was only trying to say that even such things were also considered in the SKC report which might not be important for you and me, but for some :-)
It only shows that if the rift which is not supposed to be created is created,ppl make every small thing count.
It is as the saying goes "If hammer is all you have,every problem looks like a nail"
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ReplyDelete"If Andhras had been so clever they would have made sure that the dam was built in andhra region so that control of dam permanently rests with andhra ."
Oh yeah, please dont show your SKC à°¤ెà°²ిà°µి à°¤ేà°Ÿà°²ు here. If a dam can be built where ever they want, then why SKC tells building projects in Telangna has practical problems?
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"And what do the andhras gain by stopping this project?"
That way the allocated funds can be diverted and can be used in Seemandra projects.
//Disgusting to see it come from a retired Chief Justice of apex court and a retired IAS officer.//
ReplyDeleteOn the contrary I feel bad for those guys,since they were clearly misled to gain time...
I personally do not think they have been corrupted,but they were not given sufficient time to understand or work on the issue of,this stature....
//In the times when other countries are coming up with tunnels through big hilly structures,SKC tells that it is time taking to complete SLBC tunnel.Perhaps they forgot that the project took off in 1981 and this is 2011.Nalgonda's fluoride problem because of this uncompleted SLBC finds no mention.//
Perfect analysis....
I come from a family of government Contractors,I know how things work there...
Forget SLBC,even the SriRam Sagar project was never completed till date...
Even when some of the engineers and contractors proposed to work for free,the GoAP,cited foolish reasons for an excuse...
Polavaram project which was shelved due to environmental issues was revived with an estimate of about 1500 crores and 4500 crores for rehabilitation,but the SRS(incl a hydro electric plant) and SLBC with much less do not even get to be completed...
And we keep wondering,how YRJ ends up being worth thousands of crores worth today....
YSR arguably the most corrupt CM of A.P....
Well anyway,this discussion was supposed to be about the spineless role that the media plays in Indian politics....
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ReplyDelete"Forget SLBC,even the SriRam Sagar project was never completed till date..."
That is exactly what I asked many times.
Let take an example.
In 1956, around 100KM canal is possible in TG, and around 500KM canal is possible in SA.
In 2009, from that 100KM around 80KM was built, and in SA around 150KM was built.
SKC fools say that because of difficulties in Telangana we see less Canal development.
My question, its okey SA got more canals because there lands supports, at the same time why cant that total 100KM was completed when 150KM canal was completed in SA? that 100KM was approved by Govt in the first place because it is possible, right? Govt should complete that total 100KM(what ever possible) then how cares if SA got 150K or total 500K?
tintin,
ReplyDeleteI agree that too many petty things incorporated into SKC.
I would neither justify nor ignore.
I object to some attempts to reject entire report based on some bloopers.
Let me improvise a bit on your saying. :-)
"It is not necessary to hit every nail with same force."
Well anyway,this discussion was supposed to be about the spineless role that the media plays in Indian politics....
ReplyDeleteMadam,
IMO, it did not happen overnight just against T movement.
Today Kerala CM used a good phrase "manufactured news".
Indian media changed dramatically immediately after post-Godhra riots. It will be a huge story. Couple of examples
On 30th September 4 top english news channels were shocked to hear Ayodhya verdict. NDTV, HT, Times Now and CNN-IBN. They were so prepared for a pro-masjid verdict they could not digest the split verdict. Bhrkha desperately tried to find immediate holes in judgments. At one point Soli Soberjee even admonished her for her instigative vocabulary. Rajdeep could not hold discussion for too long.
Take from me. Ayodhya will never appear in Indian media as long as BJP is out of power. Earlier any discussion on Babri masjid helped defame BJP. Its no more. Coz fact it is a kind of vindication for 'law-abiding' religious forces.
And most recently our dear MMS maintained strategic slience not only on Telangana issue but 2-G issue. He did not speak in public, he did not speak in parliament but he spoke in AICC plenary. You know what? Bharka setups a discussion in less than 2 hours with title "PMs master stroke".
Do not expect anything good from Indian media. It was better prior to privatization. Official media (AIR & DD) used to only hide facts. But todays media spreads wrong facts to favor particular people/groups.
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ReplyDeleteWow, as per them Biryani was invented by Tamils and introduced to world by Seemandraites. I am sure soon these seemandraites will say, Einstein learned the science from them.
@ tintin
ReplyDelete"Having seen India,you should know how fast things move."
But you expect in Telangana case ,they will move at a speed different to India.
"Later the problems were projected saying that if SLBC is dug it is going to poison all the forests and the environment around.Then environment and Forest department examined and certified that the plan was very optimized and perfect for implementation and no harm is caused to environment.Then again the proceedings were halted claiming that they don't have equipment ? After this is solved they told it is not possible to dig this and stopped it.
Who do you blame for all this ? T politicians ?"
Lets assume all this true. You want to attribute all the bad things in TG to andhra rulers.
Then start attributing some good things done by andhra rulers. What was TG literacy rate in 1956 ? It was 5%. It is now 58%. Who should you give the credit to ?
@ Tin Tin
ReplyDelete":-)precisely that's what the govt from Andhra did by constructing it 20kms down from the actual place and later told that Telangana is a high land.So,water doesn't flow."
You seem to be ignorant about the dam location. It is in Nalgonda district of TG region.
@ Nameless :
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be ignorant about the dam location. It is in Nalgonda district of TG region.
You might have forgotten what i wrote in my previous post.To remind you,
The reason why Nalgonda is in the focus is Nagarjuna Sagar dam which is in the same district as per the records.
This is whole point i was trying to explain.Though Nagarjuna Sagar dam is in Nalgonda as per the records,they don't get water to drink from this project.So,Is this the case with any other district in AP ? i don't think so.
Then start attributing some good things done by andhra rulers. What was TG literacy rate in 1956 ? It was 5%. It is now 58%. Who should you give the credit to ?
Don't forget that the literacy rate of Telangana that is referred includes Hyderabad.
The part of the credit you are talking about is moving JNTU which is supposed to be in adilabad (basara) to Hyd and moving DR.B R Ambedkar open university fro Nalgonda to MEdak where it shares the boundary with Hyderabad.
You find the above data in the place i told you in SKC report.Page 175 to 210.But foolishly SKC tried to justify this also.
You must understand that Telangana movement is just not for self rue but also an attempt to stop the feats of the Andhra govt who do everything in Hyderabad and show that in the acounts of Telangana.
Be it investment or schools or Nagarjuna Sagar dam.
By showing the increase in literacy rate of Telangana,you can't take away the credit from ppl also.Though good schools are not available in the telangana (excl Hyd) ppl still are not dropping out.
If teacher doesn't show interest in teaching and student works hard to score goods marks,the credit doesn't go that teacher.
@ Nameless :
ReplyDeleteTo avoid SLBC they made a proposal of lift scheme ( etti pothala pathakam) from Nagarjuna sagar dam.They did that to solve the water problem of Hyderabad but not Nalgonda.But as per the records, Krishna water from Nagarjuna Sagar is being supplied to Telangana.
This is how the govt projects things.
@ Tin Tin
ReplyDelete"This is whole point i was trying to explain.Though Nagarjuna Sagar dam is in Nalgonda as per the records,they don't get water to drink from this project.So,Is this the case with any other district in AP ? i don't think so."
Dont shift the point. You told Dam was shifted 20 Kms down place , Is this down place in TG or Andhra. If the down place is still in Telangana what is the problem ?
Are you saying Nagarjuna sagar does not supply water to TG ?
All your statements are from Prof Jayashankars propaganda which has been refuted by Mr Nalamotu chakravarthy with exact numbers from irrigation. Read his blog for full details.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Centre-agrees-to-submit-T-panel-confidential-report-to-HC/articleshow/7411640.cms
ReplyDeleteHYDERABAD: The central government on Wednesday told the A P High Court that it would place before the court the confidential report on the law and order situation in the state given to it by Srikrishna committee in a sealed cover.
Additional solicitor general of India M Ravindran told this to Justice L Narasimha Reddy when a petition filed by former MP Narayana Reddy of Nizamabad came up for hearing. The former MP filed the petition saying that he was aggrieved by the action of the authorities who did not furnish him the copy of the report despite his representations. This committee was appointed for consultations and arriving at conclusions on the statehood issue and all the contents of the committee's report must be made available to the people, the counsel for the petitioner said.
In an earlier hearing, the judge sought the assistance of the attorney general on the issue. Accordingly, additional solicitor general Ravindran appeared in the court on Wednesday and sought a week's time for the attorney general to come to the court. When the petitioner's counsel wanted the report to be submitted to the court, Ravindran said he would place it before the court in a sealed cover.
tintin,
ReplyDeleteAnother SKC blooper.....
According to them the A.P Horticultural University is in Warangal,whereas HU is in Tadepalligudem,West Godavari...
http://missiontelangana.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SKC-blunders8.jpg
"The part of the credit you are talking about is moving JNTU which is supposed to be in adilabad (basara) to Hyd and moving DR.B R Ambedkar open university fro Nalgonda to MEdak where it shares the boundary with Hyderabad."
ReplyDeleteOnly OU local students are eligible for JNTU hyderabad, just like OU local students become non locals in other JNTUs in andhra. So no telangana student looses out in this regard.
OK , as per you nothing should be established in Medak ,Mehboobnagar ,Rangareddy because they border Hyd . Great logic.
@ Namesless:
ReplyDeleteDont shift the point. You told Dam was shifted 20 Kms down place , Is this down place in TG or Andhra?
Yes.It is still in Telangana even after changing.At least that's what this statement from my previous post says
The reason why Nalgonda is in the focus is Nagarjuna Sagar dam which is in the same district as per the records.
If the down place is still in Telangana what is the problem.
I think i should go back to square one.The problem is that this gives them the official right to show it to the panels like SKC that they have cared for ppl in Nalgonda and leave the place as it is.
i want to give you a reference.Pls go through Raj News channels' report on SLBC.Then you will understand what i am trying to say.When you get to listen to those who are victimized because of all this,you understand how serious the problem is.You can search for it in Youtube.
All your statements are from Prof Jayashankar's propaganda
I only know his name.But i have never read anything that came from him or about him.
Pls go through the video before we discuss this again :-) otherwise we will be just wasting our energies like this with neither of them being able to drive their point home.
@ Tin Tin
ReplyDelete"The problem is that this gives them the official right to show it to the panels like SKC that they have cared for ppl in Nalgonda and leave the place as it is."
Till now your Tvadis argued that dam was shifted up to avoid submergence in Andhra , but now you are saying dam was shifted down to show to future panels , this they decided in 1955 ,even before AP state was formed.
Is there any end to foolish arguments given by Tvadis.
You want me to watch Raj news for credible reports. Thats so funny.
Give me sources from newspapers or books or govt depts ,not the videos created by Telangana fanatics or Raj news etc.
And you know what ,a central govt appointed eminent panel looked into these claims and debunked them.
But you guys go on repeating them
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteOK , as per you nothing should be established in Medak ,Mehboobnagar ,Rangareddy because they border Hyd . Great logic.
Yes.I know you will not understand the logic.Had these two universities been placed where they were supposed to be,at least with that reason these places would have got the attention and thereby some development.
I did my computer science in BITS,Pilani.Not many know where Pilani is, yet the place is recognized because of the institute.When comes the recognition,then comes the consideration.When comes the consideration,then comes the development of infrastructure.
This is my logic.
You didn't understand the gist behind it.By moving JNTU to Hyd, anyone who stayed in Hyd for more than 4yrs will be eligible to get into that university.Which only means that the space to accommodate Telangana students becomes very less.
"You didn't understand the gist behind it.By moving JNTU to Hyd, anyone who stayed in Hyd for more than 4yrs will be eligible to get into that university.Which only means that the space to accommodate Telangana students becomes very less."
ReplyDeleteEven if the JNTU was in adilabad , any student from OU region can apply. They have to show seven years continuous study in OU region. so andhras in Hyd would have been eligible to apply.So same situation would have prevailed.
@ Lavanya :
ReplyDeleteYes,listing these bloopers is like teacher correcting the answer sheet of a student.isn't it ?
My personal favorite among the bloopers is
"Kothagudem Thermal power station in Rayalaseema"
I lived in kothagudem for 10yrs and my father works for singareni.
Till Dec 31st, i didn't know that i lived in Rayalaseema.
Then i understood that in some kind of a matrix world,Kothagudem belongs to Khammam and the thermal power station belong to paloncha but in reality all of them belong to Rayalaseema and NOT telangana :-)
"Had these two universities been placed where they were supposed to be,at least with that reason these places would have got the attention and thereby some development."
ReplyDeleteWhy didnt govt establish a REC in andhra region ? Why didnt the IIT come to andhra region ?
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteEven if the JNTU was in adilabad , any student from OU region can apply. They have to show seven years continuous study in OU region. so andhras in Hyd would have been eligible to apply.So same situation would have prevailed.
Finally i could get you where i wanted to.So,when the same situation would have prevailed,why did the govt move it from adilabad to Hyd when not moving it would have improved the infrastructure of adilabad atleast?
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteWhy didnt govt establish a REC in andhra region ?
Because only OU was there in Telangana.NIT warangal was established in 1959 6 yrs before the the concept of JNTU happened.
At that time NIT warangal was in OU,then moved to JNTU and now it is in Kakatiya university.
That's the reason you have Andhra university which is also given "A" grade along with Kakatiya university by NAAC.
Why didnt the IIT come to andhra region ?
Beacuse ppl like YSR didn't want it to happen.When IIT is supposed to come to Basara he had plans of getting it to his constituency.
Imagine what happens happens after IIT is established there.The next thing you know will be the development of infrastructure.So,whether he is in power or not,the development there becomes mandatory.These are the advantages you get if you have university in you district.
"Finally i could get you where i wanted to.So,when the same situation would have prevailed,why did the govt move it from adilabad to Hyd when not moving it would have improved the infrastructure of adilabad atleast?"
ReplyDeleteso You agree that your previous arguments were nonsense.
As for why the move happened , give me source for view that JNTU was shifted from adilabad to Hyd ,not raj news videos mind you.
Then i will answer why.
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteso You agree that your previous arguments were nonsense
Just because we didn't understand something said by somebody,calling it nonsense only shows one's ignorance.
Nonsense is asking the same question three times inspite of being supplied with answer,not answering the same question without losing patience.
As for why the move happened , give me source for view that JNTU was shifted from adilabad to Hyd
Many ppl seem to be treating SKC report like Bhagawad Gita.So,you can take that as reference.
They will mention it but poor SKC has no arguments to counter ppl's view on this.So,they only say that in one way it is good for the university because it develops fast in Hyderabad and rests its case.They don't explain why they feel that the allegation made is false.
,not raj news videos mind you.
Whether i take references from News or not depends on what the topic is and how they project it with reasons or figures.
I am not someone who follows Indian media (which is very biased in every aspect)blindly,especially in the times when BBC and NY times are projecting true stories on the topics like Telangana unlike the local media.
No matter how many references i give, it always depends on you whether to accept it or not.If one makes up his/her mind to not accept,nothing can convince him/her.
In a nutshell,what i want to say after all the discussion we had is not wanting to accept facts doesn't make fact a fiction.
Shifting JNTU from Adilabad to Hyd is fact but the reason is a perception not a fact.No matter what the reason is,not shifting JNTU would have definitely helped Adilabad more.
@Nameless :
ReplyDeleteSorry it is not Adilabad it is Warangal.I read it on Jan 1st.So,slight confusion.But the rest of the point remains same :-)
The reference is page 195 in SKC report.
@ Nameless :
ReplyDeletea central govt appointed eminent panel looked into these claims and debunked them
As per the official records,the indian autocrat,so-called "Sonia ammagaru" ordered for the committee once or twice to look into Telangana issue it seems.
Even YSR also ordered a committee to look into Telangana issue it seems.Isn't it too much of a coincidence that YSR came up with this just before elections ?
Who should believe this ?When ppl against bifurcation are not ready to believe the facts inspite of being given some references, why will a T supporter accept these baseless comments ?
so,sorry i don't acknowledge this as an effort from govt in an attempt to prove that they were always worried about Telangana.
@Sera :
ReplyDeleteSorry didn't read this yes'day.
This is irresponsible on your part tintin. Realise that all investments (private and govt and central govt) were made in HYD because it was the capital. If TGites are willing to take Telangana without HYD then it is an argument that's valid.
What is irresponsible ? To not make Andhra pay back ?So,do you want us to make them pay back ?
I have a lot of friends who bought houses in Bangalore though they are from Delhi and AP.It is going to make no difference to you at least as you are a person from Hyd itself.
@ tintin
ReplyDeleteI am re-quoting what I said before. SO that the above point is clarified which came up only as part of a series of discussions.
And anyway who and with whose money did Hyderabad get built has many pasts.
It includes the money of;
1. The present TGites.
2. The money from Andhra and Rayalseema historically via many pacts with the british.
3. The money from the six districts of the erstwhile districts of Hyderabad which are no longer part of Telangana.
4. And the money of the SA guys for the past 50 odd years.
5. And money from people like us who came from up north.
So its not a question of whether an individual bought a house or so in Bangalore or HYD. Individuals and states/cities don't follow the same trajectories.
Moreover I have always been saying that Politics is the art of the possible. Looks at how the scene is now.
1. The SA guys want United AP - option 6.
2. The TG guys want option 5 and nothing short.
3. Out of nowhere and thin air according to Lavanyan and Green Star comes up Option4.
4. HYD guys are sort of confused and some have no stand.
5. The Muslims in HYD at least want United AP, Rayala Telangana and Telangana in that order. While their real aim is a statehood to HYD.
6. Then there are the problems nation-wide of South Tamil nadu, north karnataka, gorkha land, coorg, konkan etc etc etc.
7. DMK, TMC, NC and Pawar are uncomfortable and they are in the cabinet which has to first motion the bill.
8. Now to add to the mess PRP looks like may join Union cabinet.
9. Chidambaram is repeatedly saying that the solution lies in AP and not in Delhi.
10. The centre/delhi cannot afford demands in other states and the best way is to make it look like the agreement came from the state so that they can say the same thing to other states.
SO in all this mess, what's the choice. The TG guys and SA guys needs to come to an agreement. ANd we all know that the agreement is all about HYD which either needs to be UT or Option4 or second capital of India.
An other option of course is joint capital which could also happen.
I will correct my 5th point that it is not the Muslims but the MIM.
ReplyDelete@ Sera :
ReplyDeleteWhat you said is true.But after the report is released i could see things becoming very clear.
But how can i say this in such a mess ?
On Dec 30th, Andhra Jyothi got the information about article 371 (D) through some sources and approached Andhra politicians.
The response is unanimous.We will not agree if the special privileges are given only to Telangana.So,option 6 is opposed by SA also.
chalasani srinivas who always fought against Telangana also clearly said in a discussion in tv9 when asked "What is your final say " He said lets bifurcate with good terms rather then keep fighting and hating each other living in the same state.This discussion happened on Jan 1st i guess.I remember seeing the discussion.
With CPI (M) which was not totally in complete support of Telangana now extends its total support.Lots of associations in SA have also decided to extend support to T because they know that a new capital near to their place will only mean more opportunities and speedy development.
As i told other than PRP and LokSatta every party is extending support.
What about Hyderabadis ? Do we have a say ?Yes.You have a say.If the reason for the worry is not about Hyd losing it investments or any other such thing but about not wanting to be in Telangana ,then ppl do have problem with that.
It should make no difference to their routine irrespective of the name of the state they live in.A good news to all those worried about Hyd losing its demand is that investments are still growing despite all the disturbance in the state which only shows that companies still feel that Hyd is the best option.
If this is your real concern,then this link should make you feel happy.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/no-impact-of-telangana-agitation-on-hyderabads-it-industry-80779
@ Sera :
ReplyDeleteChidambaram is repeatedly saying that the solution lies in AP and not in Delhi.
This is sheer stupidity of our H'ble Home Minister.Congress infact has no intention of taking this seriously.Otherwise they do know that state division is not a state subject but a Central subject.State can only give its opinion but parliament has the final say in such issues.
20 other state demands.What about them?
But its only Telangana that has the constitutional clause.Amendment 32.Vidarbha is also an old demand but doesn't have anything mentioned in constitution.
My personal opinion is that central has to give those states it knows are genuine.For other states they should come up with regional committee to safeguard their rights.
On a similar note,
Decentralization of power is good for the country.India had 14 states when became independent and today we have 28 states.US when became independent had 13 states and today they have 50.So,the problem is not in the system but in the individuals who are executing reforms.
@ Sera :
ReplyDeleteWhatever you said is true.
But after Dec 31st,i could see things becoming clear.
But how can i say that in this mess you spoke about ?
On Dec 31st,Andhra Jyothi announced in the news paper that Article 371 (D) is being suggested as the main option by SKC.To get the opinion of Andhra politicians ,when ABN approached them, the response was unanimous.NO to that option because it gives special privileges to Telangana only.
Chalasani Srinivas who always fought against Telangana has also agreed that its time we depart atleast now when asked about his final say.
Except PRP and Loksatta,every party is extending its support to Telangana.Even lots of groups in SA also are supporting Telangana as they know that capital in their districts only means more opportunities (direct and indirect) and speedy development.
So,Option 6 is almost not accepted by both Telangana and SA.
Do we hyderabadis have a say ?Yes you have a say.If your concern about Hyd is not about it losing the importance (wrt investment etc),but about being a part of Telangana,then ppl have a problem with your say.
It makes no difference anyone's routine in Hyd because for them its only the change in the name of their state.Infrastructure remains the same.A good news to all those worried about Hyd losing its charm as a hub of investment is that despite all the disturbance investments are increasing :-)
If this is your real concern,this link should make you feel happy.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/no-impact-of-telangana-agitation-on-hyderabads-it-industry-80779
@tintin
ReplyDeleteOtherwise they do know that state division is not a state subject but a Central subject.
In an era of coalition politics, things don't work in black and white and we are seeing it now.
Decentralization of power is good for the country.
I agree. Option 4 is just an other decentralization.
So,Option 6 is almost not accepted by both Telangana and SA.
I agree. Both Option 5 and Option 6 will not work out. So how will it pan from there?
Chalasani Srinivas who always fought against Telangana has also agreed that its time we depart atleast now when asked about his final say. Except PRP and Loksatta,every party is extending its support to Telangana.
Yes and in the same breath they talk about deciding the "status of Hyderabad". Don't they?
Do we hyderabadis have a say ?Yes you have a say.If your concern about Hyd is not about it losing the importance (wrt investment etc),but about being a part of Telangana,then ppl have a problem with your say.
There is actually a genuine worry. We suspect that the political leadership in this region will turn out to be anti-market and will pursue a socialist (if not naxal like KCR said) agenda. If the whole govt in a soft way turns to that road and if most ministers/MLAs are either sympathisers or forced to be sympathisers then inevitably the new state will not be investment friendly and in fact may have policies that will make present businesses itself bite the dust.
The issue is the whole framework of this region which has a bent in that direction of socialism and marxism. And if its a state then obviously the state machinery will also have the same color and leanings making it difficult for businesses and entrepreneurs. Already KCR at some place has suggested that he will introduce reservations in the PVT sector. . . That may just be the beginning.
This possibility is high and that is why we support option 4 or want want HYD as UT or second capital of India. Otherwise why should we have an issue?
This is sheer stupidity of our H'ble Home Minister
ReplyDeletePC was known for his arrogant stupidity. Which he thinks intelligence. This was seen on more than one occassaion. But it tooks so long for T-vaadis to realize this.
His grandstand on Dec 9 2009 was root cause of present situation. He could had made same announcement with AP leaders beside him (something like what Nehru did before merger). No! He wanted to get total credit for congress party and sonia amman.
sera said...
ReplyDelete>> And when I say US. I mean non-telugu speaking people. We find it amusing that a guy in warangal and a guy in anantpur or vijaywada should discuss this without taking the Hyderabadis into account. We are here for over 200 years at least and more sons-of-soil in a sense. Let us fight for the erstwhile state of Hyderabad with the lost six districts - that's fine - we have many relatives there too. But without that let Hyderabad have its own self-rule or lets move on to Option 4 is what we say.
Sure please feel free to fight for what you want. But do not try to do this in the name of "non-telugu speaking people".
Heda, Hashim, Ekbote, Pitti, Jadhav, Melkote, Saksena, Hashim, Waghray et al fought for Telangana. Even today Telangana is supported by many illustrious non-Telugus.
Regarding option 4, even MIM is not in its favor. I do not see a single non-Telugu leader supporting option 4.
Option 4 is nothing but a tit-for-tat by andhras ("you split our state, we split yours").
Sera,
ReplyDeleteI have posed the same question to you several times,without any answer....
I am not waiting for one,since this is one answer you do NOT have..
//There are people who benefit by Option 4 and should we want to deny their benefits?//
If it is only about sharing benefits,then why not propose,a UT with HYD,R.R,Nzmbd and Medak,instead of Nalgonda and Mbngr...that ways we get to share borders with Karnataka,Maha and Telangana....
Would that be fine with you???Since you said to be having personal investments in Nalgonda,would you let go of your Nalgonda unit to help Medak???...
Guys,please wait and watch if Sera,ever comes up with an answer for this...
If it is only about sharing benefits,then why not propose,a UT with HYD,R.R,Nzmbd and Medak,instead of Nalgonda and Mbngr...that ways we get to share borders with Karnataka,Maha and Telangana....
ReplyDeleteYou should ask SKC or Chidambaram or some competent "in office" individual to put that question and then maybe expect an answer. We discuss Option 4 because it is part of the SKC and Chidambaram did not "rule it out". At least yet. . . ;-)
Sure please feel free to fight for what you want. But do not try to do this in the name of "non-telugu speaking people".
ReplyDeleteSure. And tell everyone also not to fight in the name of "Telangana people" or "SA people". So much for this kind of simplistic talk.
[Chidambaram is repeatedly saying that the solution lies in AP and not in Delhi.]
ReplyDeleteSo, what does it means? It is just because they fear they may loose magic figure in Parliament. But every one including UPA knows bill will pass with majority, they fear this costs there power.
[The Muslims in HYD at least want United AP, Rayala Telangana and Telangana in that order. While their real aim is a statehood to HYD.]
Karim, clearly said the Muslim community currently divided between United Andhra and Telangana. Even some section like Rayala Telangana, it was ruled out by every one. They never going to accept any other which separates either from AP or from Telanganan.
@Jai,
ReplyDeleteSera claims to represent all the non-Telugu people of Hyderabad(whether they like his suggestion or not is immaterial to him)...
He has a personal stake in wanting Hyderabad for UT...(with only Mbngr,Nalgonda,R.R and Hyd),since he claims to have factories there...
@tintin,
There are a lot of people who are working on the SKC report and the RTI.And then there are several others who are using this opportunity,by adopting villages through small or big foundations and helping them get on their feet by conducting classes,taking up cleanliness drives during weekends and what not...
Some of them having left their well paying jobs in the corporate sector and working on building a case against the loopholes in the report...Each one of us contributing in our own small way towards the cause...
If this agitation has taught us anything,it is to NEVER trust the government to do things....
We are learning it slowly,but surely....
This time there is just no going back...
So, what does it means? It is just because they fear they may loose magic figure in Parliament. But every one including UPA knows bill will pass with majority, they fear this costs there power.
ReplyDeleteYes. That was a discovery. Is it?
[I agree. Option 4 is just an other decentralization.]
ReplyDeleteOption 4 comes into picture only when majority people of HYD ask, so far, it is only you and your team(?). If you became KCR(fun) you may get good response by next 10 years. Good luck.
Karim, clearly said the Muslim community currently divided between United Andhra and Telangana. Even some section like Rayala Telangana, it was ruled out by every one. They never going to accept any other which separates either from AP or from Telanganan.
ReplyDeleteSo what you are essentialy saying is that within Muslims there is the same divide that is there in whole of AP. Wonder what % the division is? Wonder if you could educate us on that?
If this agitation has taught us anything,it is to NEVER trust the government to do things....
ReplyDeleteMadamjee,
first step towards change. but usually ends up in forests.:-)
Karim, clearly said the Muslim community currently divided between United Andhra and Telangana. Even some section like Rayala Telangana, it was ruled out by every one. They never going to accept any other which separates either from AP or from Telanganan.
ReplyDeleteOne positive note from GS after a long gap. He implicitly agrees that muslim version of gharjanas do not really represent the mood of 'all' muslims.
If this agitation has taught us anything,it is to NEVER trust the government to do things....
ReplyDeleteMadamjee,
first step towards change. but usually ends up in forests.:-)
You beat me to it. I was about to say Ramulamma should be your guide and light. Maybe making a movie is also a good option. Some friends of mine teasingly are planning to take me to that new TG movie to "educate" me. I told them to give me a DVD and I will watch it in my home theatre. I prefer "private education" then the govt public one as well. ;-)
Option 4 comes into picture only when majority people of HYD ask, so far, it is only you and your team(?). If you became KCR(fun) you may get good response by next 10 years. Good luck.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Did you recognize that you type and mouth "Option 4" in a short span of 11 months since the SKC was formed vis-a-vis the 50 odd years of agitation of yours which has come back to the same place of between Option 5 and Option 6.
We are moving man. We need all the good luck. Thanks.
Heda, Hashim, Ekbote, Pitti, Jadhav, Melkote, Saksena, Hashim, Waghray et al fought for Telangana.
ReplyDeleteName dropping is not a difficult job. Google for 'ker' you will get all MAHA surnames.
Anyways two of these names are popular with Andhras too. Melkote is a popular comedian in Telugu movies.
Dr. Waghray is Homeopathy doctor and very popular with 'settlers'.:-)
Sera,
ReplyDelete//You should ask SKC or Chidambaram or some competent "in office" individual to put that question and then maybe expect an answer. We discuss Option 4 because it is part of the SKC and Chidambaram did not "rule it out". At least yet. . . ;-)//
The bloody SKC was written after people like you and we proposed our theories....
And,if you haven't noticed option 4 is NOT agreeable to most or all the people in REAL Hyderabad....
Don't give smart answers...they only show your insincerity...
You beat me to it. I was about to say Ramulamma should be your guide and light
ReplyDeleteHonestly madam's name is too nice to coin a 'red' name from.
'laavakka', 'laavamma' nay!
Sure please feel free to fight for what you want. But do not try to do this in the name of "non-telugu speaking people".
ReplyDeleteThis is what many are telling Sujai for almost an year. Fight for your ends. But do not drag entire T.
taking up cleanliness drives during weekends and what not...
ReplyDeleteMadamjee. . .
He he. We have been doing that for years. But not with the "pure hearts" that you may have newly acquired.
We just do it because it is what they call "philanthropy". We earn our money and spend part of it doing those things. Not because we have been newly enlightened.
Anyway good you are doing it now with a "purer heart and for a cause to separate people and spread hatred and malice". ;-)
//You beat me to it. I was about to say Ramulamma should be your guide and light. Maybe making a movie is also a good option. Some friends of mine teasingly are planning to take me to that new TG movie to "educate" me. I told them to give me a DVD and I will watch it in my home theatre. I prefer "private education" then the govt public one as well. ;-)//
ReplyDeleteWonder what you told them when they VISITED your factory Mathur ;-)
The bloody SKC was written after people like you and we proposed our theories....
ReplyDeleteAnd,if you haven't noticed option 4 is NOT agreeable to most or all the people in REAL Hyderabad....
Madamjee. . .
Thoda sa patience rakhiye.
2014 elections me pura pata chal jayegana. Hyderabad me bhi elections hoyenga na. Aur hoga elections Nalgonda or Mehboobnagar me bhi.
Baat nikhlegi to bahut dur jayegi That is how the Telangana issue has always been and now it has become.
Wonder what you told them when they VISITED your factory Mathur ;-)
ReplyDeleteDidn't I tell you Madam that all I did was open my purse and pay. And then all problems were solved in a jiffy and everyone was all smiles.
The bloody SKC was written after people like you and we proposed our theories....
ReplyDeleteAnd,if you haven't noticed option 4 is NOT agreeable to most or all the people in REAL Hyderabad....
Madamjee. . .
Thoda sa patience rakhiye.
2014 elections me pura pata chal jayegana. Hyderabad me bhi elections hoyenga na. Aur hoga elections Nalgonda or Mehboobnagar me bhi.
Baat nikhlegi to bahut dur jayegi That is how the Telangana issue has always been and now it has become.
As I typed the above I suddenly realised that if KCR wins 80+ seats and all the seats in the other two areas get split between congress, TDP, jagan and PRP, then it may happen that TRS will be the single largest party and KCR maybe the CM of United AP.
So ironical a thought. But so goes politics.
//He he. We have been doing that for years. But not with the "pure hearts" that you may have newly acquired.//
ReplyDeleteThat coming from the ultimate Capitalist,was too much
//We just do it because it is what they call "philanthropy". We earn our money and spend part of it doing those things. Not because we have been newly enlightened.//
Who has seen you do anything at all...Without any proof,even your claim to being a settler Hyderabadi voice forum is a sham...
Troll away...
//Anyway good you are doing it now with a "purer heart and for a cause to separate people and spread hatred and malice". ;-)//
Philanthropy and Capitalism do not fit in the same sentence...
Reposting the same question again...
ReplyDeleteLet's just assume...
//There are people who benefit by Option 4 and should we want to deny their benefits?//
If it is only about sharing benefits,then why not propose,a UT with HYD,R.R,Nzmbd and Medak,instead of Nalgonda and Mbngr...that ways we get to share borders with Karnataka,Maha and Telangana....
Would that be fine with you???Since you said to be having personal investments in Nalgonda,would you let go of your Nalgonda unit to help Medak???...
Guys,please wait and watch if Sera,ever comes up with an answer for this...
Philanthropy and Capitalism do not fit in the same sentence
ReplyDeleteActually they are the only ones which "morally" fit. Nothing else does.
Through capitalism you earn and through philanthropy you spend what you earn on what you think are good causes.
In socialism you earn and someone else spends on what they think are the right causes.
This is the main cause of friction with all govt initiatives. Everyone thinks govt's money should NOT be spent in the way they are spending because there are more better/genuine cases.
If you read closely that happens because "everyone thinks like that because everyone thinks/knows that GOVT is not the rightful owner of that money they spend".
That is why you find that friction in every country that has a shade of socialism which means every country in the world including USA with that wonderful health plan where there are a million debates on how it should be done and who should benefit and who it should not.
And in this debate what happens is wastage. Please Madamjee read some right wing economists and I promise you, you will love it. Start at least with the "Rational Optimist". I promise you Matt Ridley, is not on the extreme right as I am, he actually thinks the state has a role to play which I don't agree.
As I typed the above I suddenly realised that if KCR wins 80+ seats and all the seats in the other two areas get split between congress, TDP, jagan and PRP, then it may happen that TRS will be the single largest party and KCR maybe the CM of United AP.
ReplyDeleteSo ironical a thought. But so goes politics
Sera,
this will be situation exactly if elections are held today. TRS will win no less that 75 seats. Against your wishes he may even get one or two in Hyderabad. :-)
In fact the best ever political opporunity for T-vaadis. Force KCR to pull-down government.
(Madamjee, do not laugh) let TRS move no-confidence. If government falls, TRS will sweep polls in TG. Congress will get less than TRS. Still they will form government in AP with TRS support and start T formation ASAP.
On the other Government can survive only if TDP supports/abstains. This exposes TDP sincereity to AP. Again TRS can cash-on in long-run.
But the real catch in the scheme is TRS would not want the government to fall. Bcoz it will clear path for T formation. :-)
Mathur,
ReplyDeleteThat was funny...
That was never meant to be taken verbatim...
That was exclusively for you...
Philanthropy and Capitalism....
Really,you have a funny bone in you...
Would that be fine with you???Since you said to be having personal investments in Nalgonda,would you let go of your Nalgonda unit to help Medak???...
ReplyDeleteGuys,please wait and watch if Sera,ever comes up with an answer for this...
Guys. The wait is over and here is the answer.
Why let go off the Nalgonda unit and why help Medak at the cost of Nalgonda What a short-sighted zero-sum question is that?
We will start a new Medak unit and let the Nalgonda unit continue. As simple as that. What is this "helping". I live my moral life while everyone else lives there moral life. Why should entire districts need your or my help? And why should we have that inflated presumptions?
Like I said before we are only discussing Option 4 because it was put up by the SKC. Otherwise where is the discussion? You may not like SKC but that's ok ;-) I have a problem with the word "socialist" in the preamble itself ;-)
So?
Against your wishes he may even get one or two in Hyderabad. :-)
ReplyDeleteSLB. I know. ;-)
Really,you have a funny bone in you...
ReplyDeleteMadamjee. I have 206 funny bones in me. They only need a good tickling. ;-)
sera said...
ReplyDelete>> Sure. And tell everyone also not to fight in the name of "Telangana people" or "SA people". So much for this kind of simplistic talk.
There is a reasonable basis to dispute your claim.
Can you give me a few names of non-Telugus supporting option 4, thanks
Jai
ReplyDeleteThere is a reasonable basis to dispute your claim.
Can you give me a few names of non-Telugus supporting option 4, thanks
There is not a reasonable basis to ask this Jai.
How old is Option 4 in people's imagination? Less than 30 days.
How old is the Option 5 and Option 6 - over 50 years.
Give it some time. And then I will gladly answer your question. Just keep it in abeyance.
SLB said...
ReplyDelete>> Name dropping is not a difficult job. Google for 'ker' you will get all MAHA surnames.
Not a single kar (not ker) in my list, so much for your Marathi knowledge :)
>> Anyways two of these names are popular with Andhras too. Melkote is a popular comedian in Telugu movies. Dr. Waghray is Homeopathy doctor and very popular with 'settlers'.:-)
I can give you the full names & short bio of the reputed leaders I referred but unlikely to be useful given your myopia.
PS: I guess I forgot Dr. Nigam in my list. Sera will know him by reputation if not in person. You possibly will not do so because he is not a homeopathy doctor :)
sera said...
ReplyDelete>> How old is Option 4 in people's imagination? Less than 30 days.
Danam & Mukesh have been talking about it for a while. Many andhra guys have been dropping broad hints too.
>> Give it some time. And then I will gladly answer your question. Just keep it in abeyance.
Sure, do you want to guess the timeline though?
Sure, do you want to guess the timeline though?
ReplyDeleteI am not KCR to give timelines and deadlines. ;-)
"And,if you haven't noticed option 4 is NOT agreeable to most or all the people in REAL Hyderabad...."
ReplyDelete"Option 4 comes into picture only when majority people of HYD ask, so far, it is only you and your team(?). "
Oh dear , didnt you guys read Sujai's blog on Article 3 , This country does not need to seek your opinion to create separate Hyd UT. A simple majority bill in parliament is sufficient.
Oh dear , didnt you guys read Sujai's blog on Article 3 , This country does not need to seek your opinion to create separate Hyd UT. A simple majority bill in parliament is sufficient.
ReplyDeleteThat was good name less.
Duplicity uncovered.
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ReplyDelete//How old is Option 4 in people's imagination? Less than 30 days.
ReplyDeleteHow old is the Option 5 and Option 6 - over 50 years.
Give it some time. And then I will gladly answer your question. Just keep it in abeyance.//
Sera,
You just agreed that you made a presentation to the SKC,on behalf of the people of Hyderabad,without even consulting them,and which does not reflect their aspirations as on today ;-)
Hmmmm....Thanks,that just gave me an idea....
An RTI is on it's way....
Duplicity uncovered....
ReplyDeleteWait for some serious criminal proceedings for misrepresentation,coming up your way.....
Looks like your lawyers are going to laugh their way to the bank..;-)
"You just agreed that you made a presentation to the SKC,on behalf of the people of Hyderabad,without even consulting them,and which does not reflect their aspirations as on today ;-)"
ReplyDeleteMadam ,I am sure that you guys must have consulted each and every telangana person before you gave representations to SKC or fought for TG.
Philanthropy is about spending IF you want to....
ReplyDeleteAnd,Socialism is about spending WHEN you have to...
Looks like you are taking classes from SLB Academy of intellectualism.....
@Sera :
ReplyDeleteEven after such a long discussion i still didn't understand why you want Hyd to be pulled out of Telangana ?
You are keen on investents.I gave you the link also which tells that investments are not impacted by these agitation.So,it becoming worse after bifurcation is totally out of question.
We suspect that the political leadership in this region will turn out to be anti-market and will pursue a socialist (if not naxal like KCR said) agenda.
You just suspect right ?It isn't real.In such agitated situation things seem so.Nothing wrong in being worried.But gradually everything will fall in place.
Concerns and reasons are two different aspects.Some ppl from Andhra have concerns on Telangana's irrigation projects.Totally valid.But you can't call it a reason and deny the bifurcation.Similarly i feel yours is concern that has to be answered.
But something that i don't understand is your trust on current govt ? In what way do you feel that the current govt is better than the govt you suspected ?
Looks like you are taking classes from SLB Academy of intellectualism.....
ReplyDeleteMadamjee,
you can abuse me with worst of words possible in all languages.
Kindly kindly.. please please do not call me intellectual nor attach intellectualism.
I am scared to be in same group as great trio here.