Friday, December 25, 2009

Telangana XXVII: Violence mars Telangana Agitation

Indian Democracy failed

Indian Democracy has consistently failed Telangana people and other oppressed people in India. There are no mechanisms to address their grievances. All legitimate paths- electoral, legal and democratic- are closed for such minority and underprivileged. India does not take proactive or mature steps to address the aspirations of minority and underprivileged peoples or identities. It stalls all methods that can address them by bowing down to the majority and privileged who use the current flawed institutes to dominate and overpower all voices of dissent.

India has had many chances to address Telangana people’s woes. Instead, it chose to consistently pass those opportunities succumbing to the majority and privileged. Gentlemen’s Agreement of 1956 was flouted, 1969 agitation was ruthlessly suppressed, 1971 elections were hijacked, Supreme Court rulings of 1970s were overturned, 1980 GOs were repudiated, 2005 elections were once again hijacked, and 2009 election promises were broken. Telangana people were left with no choice. There was no path left open for them.

In 2009, when KCR started his fast, they found an avenue. When he wanted to end his fast, he was forced to continue by the students of Telangana. His fast gave the people of Telangana an avenue to present their case to the national scene. Most people of India had never heard of the word Telangana before that. Their riots made the Central Government sit up and take a look. On 9 December, they decided to grant Telangana statehood.

The message is clear. You riot, you get your demands. You go through democratic, electoral and legal paths, they will be denied. What kind of sham democracy did we create in India?

The message gets clearer when Samaikya Andhra protestors resort to the same tactics, riot, break, vandalize, increasing the tempo. As desired, P Chidambaram revoked his statements on Telangana bowing down to the riots of Andhra-Rayalaseema.

So, what did you establish as a rule of thumb in India by doing all this? Rioter always wins. Peaceful demonstrations, democratic, legal and electoral paths always lose. Riot, and riot more if necessary, terrorize and terrorize more if necessary, and that’s the only way you get things done in India. If you hesitate, or if you think twice, or if you pause, you lose. That’s the message we establish in India. What a pity.

Telangana people are not ready to reason now. They tell me that any peaceful demonstration is a sign of weakness. They say this is not the right time to preach restraint. This is the only way to get Telangana, they reiterate.

Yesterday’s riots

Though there has been a flare up in the city of Hyderabad, the violence was confined to few pockets. Most of the city remained calm. More importantly, other towns of Telangana which lends wider support to Telangana movement have been quite calm. Compared to agitations of 1969, the current agitation is considered mild.

I still maintain that violent protest is only one of the many expressions of Telangana Movement, and not a desirable one. The real movement is still retained by the majority of Telangana and they have not come out onto streets to riot. Their still seek a separate state but do not believe in violence. They are ordinary people with ordinary jobs and believe in peace and harmony. And they are not in a major hurry to get Telangana. They are more pragmatic and believe that if it is not now then it is later, but nobody gives up.

A Letter to Telangana people

Dear Telangana agitators:

I understand your frustrations. I understand your aspirations. You are in a hurry. You don’t want to wait. You have waited long enough – fifty three years is a long time. We are so close and yet so far. Now, every stumbling block seems like an eternity, every hiccup make us feel like the goal is moving away from us.

And yet, there is no excuse for the violence you have displayed yesterday. You have instilled fear into the people, both the Telangana people and others. Andhras who have lived in Telangana for many years in peace and comfort are now caught in a grip of fear and insecurity.

What you are doing is not momentary but will have a long lasting impression on every one in Telangana and others who are watching us. The seeds what we sow today during our agitation will have long term consequences. What kind of Telangana do you want make?

Take a minute to learn lessons from our own histories and histories of our neighbors. India stands unique in the whole world that it has sustained a non-violent movement for nearly thirty years to attain its independence. There are reasons for that. Our leaders headed by Mahatma Gandhi didn’t want to attain the freedom using violent methods. May be we would have got our freedom earlier if we had taken a violent path. But Gandhi reasoned it was better to delay the freedom by peace than get the freedom by violence.

Many freedom fighters of those times were exasperated with his methods. They were frustrated by his incessant orders to maintain peace even when fighting the alien rulers. In 1920s, when his movement turned violent with incidents like Chowri Chowra where 22 policemen were killed, he called off the movement resulting in lot of frustrations amongst Indian youth. Bhagat Singh et al deviated from Gandhi’s movement and took upon themselves to fight in their own way.

Today, we have a choice. Who do we emulate? I prefer the Gandhi way and never will endorse Bhagat Singh way. Just look at the history of other countries who have achieved freedoms through violent means. They have seen tumultuous histories of civil wars, dictatorships, suppression of peoples and regions, and even worse like in case of Indo China where genocides happened within their own countries.

A country born out of hate is no great country. Pakistan got dismembered in 1971 and is now under a spell of home grown terrorist attacks on a daily basis. There are enough examples from Africa and Southeast Asia of countries that have fought their colonial masters in a violent way and those methods only led to further violence, sectarianism and suppression of identities. It is clear that the methods to achieve our freedoms is as important as achieving the freedom itself.

India is a great country and stands as a unique country, thanks to our leaders who had a foresight. India, if it was achieved with violence would have been a disaster. Our country is too varied and too diverse to be united under a violent movement.

What kind of Telangana do we want? While I do admire and respect our forefathers who have led violent movements in India, I will not endorse them and recommend them for us.

Though I am a strong supporter of Telangana Movement I am not very happy with the way things are going. There can’t be targeting of Andhras. Period. No ifs and buts. There can’t be vandalism and the threatening of people. Period. No ifs and buts. Yes, I understand that peaceful methods in India are not recognized while the violent ones get the attention and therefore the results. Result is not as important as the means that we employ, because if we create a state on hatred, it is not going to last long. Hate will not keep us united for long.

Having said, that I will not let down my campaign to educate our Telangana brothers the injustices we have endured. I will not shy away from calling certain people the oppressors and certain people the oppressed. I will not shy away from calling spade a spade, discrimination a discrimination, and marginalization a marginalization. I will not be politically right about it.

This fight for our freedoms is about restoring our identity, and if it means toppling the rule of certain majority by creating a state for ourselves we should not hesitate to do so. But this fight for our freedoms doesn’t have to be violent. We have to show utmost restraint. The whole world is watching us and asking us, what kind of state Telangana is going to be? Are we going to tell that it is going to be a violent one – the way it was telecasted yesterday?

I know it is not easy to show restraint, but you have no choice. Restraint is the only way. Greater the cause harder the work. Work hard to restrain yourself. If you think violence is the only to attain this statehood, then many of us are not for it. I would rather wait another fifty years. I don’t want a Telangana formed on intimidation of fellow people. I don’t want a Telangana that is formed by oppression and alienation of certain people. Do you want to become the masters you are going to topple? Think again.

You can’t shove Jai Telangana onto someone who doesn’t believe in it. You may force him to do it, but you have not earned your respect. You don’t want that Jai Telangana by force. Let’s celebrate Telangana identity today, but let it be with freedom, not out of force.

I am disappointed that we didn’t get our state now. But I would be more disappointed if we attain statehood at the cost of intimidation, threats and violence.

Hold peace rallies

Take the families out, take the kids out, take the grandparents out, and walk the streets, holding peaceful rallies. Sing the songs of Telangana, our ballads that have inspired us and our movements. Enjoy the movement, hold festivities and picnics. Show your support through peaceful methods. And where necessary show it through non-cooperation, but ensure nobody or no property is harmed.

Hold politicians accountable

I advise you to channel your anger to something productive. I suggest you to implore your politicians to stand united for this cause. In the last elections they told us they would get us separate Telangana. So how come some of them are still sitting on the fence, some are dillydallying, while some have gone back on their word. Make them accountable now. Now is the time.

During the time of Independence there were many detractors within India who didn’t want British to leave India. There were many princes, industrialists, kings, who had a privileged life under British Empire. They didn’t want British to go. It was the Iron Man of India who saved the day for all of us, including the people of Telangana. He liberated us from the oppressive regime of Nizam. We celebrated our freedom on 17 September 1948 only to lose it on 1st November 1956. Like what they say, we fell from pan into the fire when Andhra Pradesh got formed.

Learn from Samaikya Andhra agitation. Look how the politicians of Andhra got united, irrespective of their parties. Now is the time we want our politicians to stand united on this people’s movement! Channelize your angst to pressurize your politicians. Spare everyone else.

241 comments:

  1. I duly agree with you with out any questions or arguments. All you have said is true. Violence only creates regionalism. We are not fighting for just regional identity. Reasons go beyond that. It is about our agricultural lands that have been neglected for decades, our water resources that are wasted into oceans and exploited by our neighbors, our children and youth in spite of their hard work and education only have a thinnest possible hope to be employed in a safe job, to know the feeling of being able to drive our government to work for our betterment, respect from people around the nation for being a telanganite and not being scrutinized and criticized for what we speak and how we live. The list shall go forever but I think this is only possible if we express our wishes in a peaceful way. Violence will only escalate differences, hate and prejudice among our neighbors with whom we have to share resources and friendship in future. Violence may bring political autonomy for a while but we will ultimately loose all the respect and good will among the nation which is essential for us to live as a prosperous state.

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  2. "Telangana people are not ready to reason now. They tell me that any peaceful demonstration is a sign of weakness. They say this is not the right time to preach restraint. This is the only way to get Telangana, they reiterate."
    Friend, I cant believe that you still cant get it! There are 2 ways here.
    1) Do more protests, rioting, create more havoc and totally disrupt public life. The other side will follow suit and they will prove that they are no less in rioting and vandalizing. There are many vested interests on both sides with tons of money. Now add to it countless number of jobless people and hooligans. Reason and truth will be lost in ensuing mayhem and cacophony. Then, get a realization and start a political process as a last resort.

    OR

    2) Since it is clear by now what both the sides expect, politicians and experts from both sides and impartial outsiders from center take command and start a dialogue.

    How sad you exhort people to come to streets with their families and kids. KIDS? People in India take their rights for granted. We have seen enough of peoples right to protest peacefully. It is clear that this particular protest can never be peaceful.
    I wish the center wakes up soon and makes moves to bring back normalcy. They have to quell this street drama quickly. Brutally and ruthlessly.
    On a personal note, I hope you will be safe.

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  3. Manohar

    How sad you exhort people to come to streets with their families and kids. KIDS? People in India take their rights for granted. We have seen enough of peoples right to protest peacefully. It is clear that this particular protest can never be peaceful.
    I wish the center wakes up soon and makes moves to bring back normalcy. They have to quell this street drama quickly. Brutally and ruthlessly.
    On a personal note, I hope you will be safe.

    I really pity that you have lost the belief in the methods and prinicples through which our nation is formed. The very principle of non-violent protest for which our country and people are famous around the world,those principles which have enlightened several great leaders and movements aftermath. The very same methods followed by our nations once imperialistically possesed our resources and failed to do so, you dare to support and indeed suggest.
    I feel sorry for you that you belong to the same nation and my morals devastated for belonging to same telugu clan that you belong to.

    Again you are misrepresentating the words by assuming that bringing children and old to street for peaceful expression as some thing equalent to aggresive protest.
    I pity you and I am shameful for myself too.

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  4. Sravan,

    IG of police, Anuradha thinks otherwise. She advised students to get wise and stay home.

    I am also ashamed of you for you are blind to the pain these protests are causing to the common man and businesses big and small. I feel sad that even educated people like you cant see that the 'movement' is already hijacked by vested interests.

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  5. Sravan,

    IG of police, Anuradha thinks otherwise. She advised students to get wise and stay home.

    I am also ashamed of you for you are blind to the pain these protests are causing to the common man and businesses big and small. I feel sad that even educated people like you cant see that the 'movement' is already hijacked by vested interests.


    I think you will never change your habit of misrepresenting others statement.
    I think you were the one who said the govt. should brutally and ruthlessly, I repeat brutally and ruthlessly suppress any one protesting on the streets whether peacefully or violently, because you assumed that there wasn,t any thing called peaceful protest.
    If I am correct you exactly said,
    How sad you exhort people to come to streets with their families and kids. KIDS? People in India take their rights for granted. We have seen enough of peoples right to protest peacefully. It is clear that this particular protest can never be peaceful.
    I wish the center wakes up soon and makes moves to bring back normalcy. They have to quell this street drama quickly. Brutally and ruthlessly.
    On a personal note, I hope you will be safe.


    We have been crying that since the protests from andhra students have began. Where were you then?

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  7. Sravan, I dont support protests and violence happening in Seemandhra either. In one of my previous comments, I even mentioned that the many fasts happening there are a farce.
    Please dont keep digging backwards and try to think what has to happen now. Even of there is any peaceful protest, it is lost in this huge wave of violence. Poor souls wont even get any media coverage!
    We cant keep quiet when mobsters go about ransacking and arson anything they can get their sights on. We need rule of law.

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  8. Mr. Sujai,
    You have gone very high in my esteem since you stood up for the Gandhian way despite temptations. I do not care whether you are more or less loyal to Samaikya Andhra… Tell your team to use the powers that are at your disposal and make the thing a success. Though I disagree with your arguments I'm floored by your Gandhigiri. All the best.

    PS: I shall continue to oppose you as long as I'm not convinced. But I respect you nonetheless.

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  9. Madhav or Manohar,
    I am utterly confused how to address you but I admire your support for Gandhigiri but I detest the way you said the rule of law is required against anybody either violent protestors or peaceful ones.
    This is just like Britishers using the law(ofcourse it was law of British India, may be alien now but it was the law of the day then) against peaceful congregation in Jalianwalah Bagh.
    I think you agree by now that telangana separation movement has immense support from its very own people. So do you think it is good to curb it by force rather than making intelligent policy change?
    Which is better my friend?

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  10. Ok It is Manohar i see it now.
    My sorry to Madhav.

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  11. Sravan, we are all for dialogue and intelligent policy decisions. We dont want people to run amock on the streets while thats happening, do we?

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  12. Yes Manohar that is What I am saying. Union should come up with a firm decision on telangana formation. This issue , as everybody by now understood, will be coming up again and again if not solved.
    The Union if it had said a straight forward firm yes instead of a guarding and confusing strategy on Dec 9th I am sure this never would have dragged too much. Everbody would have been happy after a little debate.
    This will never be subdued by using force.
    I understand that the union should try to control the violence as an immediate task it would be unsuccessful unless it declares a separate telangana soon

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  13. Sravan, what is a dialogue for if a decision is already made?

    What if I say, the center should have said a firm no. Things would have flared up for a couple of days and after a bit of debate and cajoling, everybody would be happy.

    "This will never be subdued by using force. I understand that the union should try to control the violence as an immediate task it would be unsuccessful unless it declares a separate telangana soon"

    You forget that this is not the first time something like this has happened! No matter how frustrated you are, you have to fight for your cause ONLY by legal and democratic means.

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  14. What if I say, the center should have said a firm no. Things would have flared up for a couple of days and after a bit of debate and cajoling, everybody would be happy.
    Just like a playing toddler who becomes unaware of his surroundings, you were completely lost in the flow and became oblivious of all the events that were happening since this whole episode began. Do you want me to recapitulate them now?
    When Center said a guarded yes, telangana people took it as a promise and were jubilant. They were not happy just because of only one yes but before that every political party has given their support openly. But this guarded yes gave andhra politicians a ray of hopeto save their vested interests and they quickly made a U-turn and escalated a movement that is purely based on political associations and with local govt. support.
    If Center had said firm yes, then no body would have supported a lost cause.
    This entire poltical drama and the change of statements would have been a tough exercise and merely impossible for the union if they hadn't said a guarded yes.

    You forget that this is not the first time something like this has happened! No matter how frustrated you are, you have to fight for your cause ONLY by legal and democratic means.
    You mean the betrayal???

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  15. What if I say, the center should have said a firm no. Things would have flared up for a couple of days and after a bit of debate and cajoling, everybody would be happy
    Did you hear any samaikhyandhra before the announcement?? I never heard such a thing before Dec 9th.

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  16. I am curious....

    Exactly how much is the violence? How many deaths have been reported so far in the past 2 days. Does anyone have figures?

    P.S:
    When you reply with figures, can you please ignore the foul cries of Movie-Industry fellas who are exaggerating the figures to get more attention and insurance money.

    Also... I would like to understand why Samaikyandhra agitators are called "andolanakaarulu"... and Telangana agigators are called "Vidhvansakaarulu" by the media every single day.

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  17. Sravan, dont act smart. Samaikya Andhra to some extent is nothing but Andhra Pradesh. Does this not ring any bells in your mind??

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  18. --Indian Democracy has consistently failed Telangana people---

    That's an over statement. Demand Seperate telangana is present only in 6-7 Districts of telangana. In Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy and Khammam it is virtually absent.

    And KCR has not democratic means at all. His party was the spearhead of telangana agitation, and he never got a substantial seats in Assembly. I am not sure what these telangana "agitators" were doing during the elections.

    Let KCR win 80-90% seats in telangana, both MLA and MP, and then he can be given due importance. Till that time, he is just a useless fascist that grows in power by whipping up regional hatred.

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  19. --Telangana agigators are called "Vidhvansakaarulu" by the media every single day.--

    Oh really?. I read vaartha and eenadu. They seem to call telnagana agitators called "udyamakaarulu" or "aandolanakaarulu".

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  20. Bhan Prasad,

    What you fail to notice is there is NO Samaikyandhra sentiment in all of Telangana. Have your Samaikyandhra protestors protested anywhere in Telangana? Why do you want to shamelessly be with us, when we have no desire to be with you?

    Your politicians and your Samaikyandhra is just as ridiculous as this: Gandhi is fasting for India's self-rule, and some idiot in Britain is fasting for India (for India's resources).

    All parties had Telangana in their manifesto. If the Andhra politicians and people are so illiterate that they can't read a manifesto and question their parties at that time, we can't do much about it.

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  21. Bhanu,

    We have argued the KCR case to death in this very blog. KCR or TRS is not Telangana.Many of us wont vote for them too.If you think that KCR or TRS is the spearhead of Telangana movement, you are closing your eyes. Every political representative in Telangana including Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy and Khammam have resigned for this cause.
    The percentage of people coming on the streets is very less compared to the mute supporters who do not wish to be associated with anything remotely violent.I dont understand the resentment shown by opposers. I think you are more surprised by the support that is coming for Telangana.

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  22. Bhanu Prasad,
    I doubt if something of a profane cause like samaikhyandhra has blinded you and poked your ears into brain?
    Even though most of the agitation from the beginning is centered in hyderabad and OU campus you insanely and hysterically proclaim that anything of the sort is virtually absent in Hyderabad.
    JAI JAI ANDHRA

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  23. -- Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy and Khammam have resigned for this cause---

    They have resigned because of undue pressure from OU Students and TRS activists. MP Nama nageshwara rao's house was totally sorrounded and Ponnala Lakshmiah's house was vandalised by TRS goons. Only then they resigned. Remember resignations from Khammam district MLA's have come a day after other
    districts.

    And Daanam nagender and other hyd mininster had to be cajoled into resignation.

    --I think you are more surprised by the support that is coming for Telangana---

    I expected this. There are numerous radical and violent students in OU(I am an alumni of OU).

    Infact I am surprised by the total absence of Telangana protests in Old city and relcutance of TDP, Congress's minorty cell and MIM for formation of telangana.

    --All parties had Telangana in their manifesto--

    TRS had only one agenda, namely statehood. Consequently it is nearest to the sentiments of people, as you say. It should have got majority of seats, but it did not.

    --Your politicians and your Samaikyandhra is just as ridiculous as this: Gandhi is fasting for India's self-rule, and some idiot in Britain is fasting for India (for India's resources). --

    And your leaders are same as neo-nazis and MNS, whipping up regional hatred and calling andhrites as exploiters and looters, with utmost disregard to the geography of telangana which makes irrigation very very difficult.

    --Why do you want to shamelessly be with us, when we have no desire to be with you?--

    Even if you break up the state, lot of Andhra settlers will be in Hyderabad, in IT jobs and Private jobs. This is not your land or my land.

    And finally I will welcome you with red carpet, if you plan to come to Vijayawada and Vizag. Atleast I prefer people who make logical arguments like you instead of TRS goons.

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  24. Manohar you say
    Sravan, dont act smart. Samaikya Andhra to some extent is nothing but Andhra Pradesh. Does this not ring any bells in your mind??

    I think I already cried zillion times you are the master of the art of contextomy.
    Needless to prove myself you always come up with one.
    Be pragmatic and try to understand the whole thing and focus on what exactly I was replying to.

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  25. Manohar,
    Sravan, dont act smart. Samaikya Andhra to some extent is nothing but Andhra Pradesh. Does this not ring any bells in your mind??

    Sorry for that but if i take your words and follow your mastered path, I ask,
    To what extent?
    Do you want to include only hyderabad?
    Aor add few other districts in telangana?
    Please Please 2 or 3 Please

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  26. I have seen many Telangana politicians blame poverty and backwardness on people from rest of the state. They are stating that rest of the state is "prospering" at the expense of Telangana. I can understand poor and illiterate villagers getting duped by this crazy argument. But, looking at some of the comments, even educated folks are buying into this nonsense. Have you travelled to rural areas of Seema and Andhra districts? If you do, you will find the debilitating poverty, caste discrimination and illiteracy are exactly same as suffering of poor people of Telangana. I was born in Vizag, raised in Tirupati and went to college at REC Warangal. I have travelled to many parts of the state and the country. I have life-long Telangana friends from REC. They never took a back-seat to students from other areas of the state or rest of the country, and I never heard them complain of “discrimination”. They would be ashamed of tactics adapted by TRS goons. Attacking people in HYD based on where they came from for livelihood? Since when did HYD become a foreign country? How is this supposed to help solve the three basic problems - poverty, caste discrimination and illiteracy? I have not seen any Telangana politician lay out a plan for how they will solve these problems in a new state. It seems like the only people who would benefit are politicians – there will be twice the number of ministerial berths and hence twice the corruption. It is a win-win situation for KCR and Lagadapati and Jagan and Naidu. The people of the entire state will be the biggest fools and losers. Unfortunately, I have not noticed any of educated Telangana folks ask these questions either. You are blaming all the problems on people from rest of the state. India is a poor country. AP is no exception. The solution is not creation of states and creating Xenophobia, but demanding more accountability from your representatives. Please be responsible and patriotic citizens of India and help eradicate poverty, prejudice and illiteracy.

    JaiHind

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  27. --Even though most of the agitation from the beginning is centered in hyderabad and OU campus you insanely and hysterically proclaim that anything of the sort is virtually absent in Hyderabad--

    I only say that it is concentrated to pockets of hyderabad. OU campus, Nizam college campus etc.,.

    --I doubt if something of a profane cause like samaikhyandhra has blinded you and poked your ears into brain?--

    I see separate telangana as a cultural issue, a fight for distinct culture of telangana. Some one has to convince me that it hold economic and social advantages to telangana.

    It is undeniable that telugu movies etc., have pretty much marginalized telangana culture.

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  28. @Sai,

    People of telangana are emotionally charged now. They seem to think of us as looters and bandits. The effect foul mouthed KCR has on general populace

    First of the situation must cool down and then we can start some logical conversations.

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  29. --I have not seen any Telangana politician lay out a plan for how they will solve these problems in a new state--

    They will never do. Irrigation is pretty much difficult due to geography and the only promise is of few thousands of govt jobs.

    It is more of a cultural and emotive issue.

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  30. Bhanu Prasad,
    I haven't seen any andhra politician till now who had laid out a plan for development before he came in to power except for cheap populistic ideas like 2 rs rice , free tv and electricity.
    And not to forget Separate telangana(all andhra parties have this in their manifesto).
    Who is ignorant of all these?
    And irrigation and geography I consider you as perplexed half-literate.

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  31. If you people think that it is an cultural and emotional issue, I repeat you are selectively choosing issues to denounce it. Any part in India has to overcome the local political and administrative barriers to get development. In case of Telangana, we have one more layer added at the state level. We are completely marginalized. What was the need of the Gentlemens agreement? GO 610? Why are irrigation projects in Telangana have been going on for decades? Why the govt is not even able to act upon even after reports that GO 610 was violated severely? Why is only 28% spent in Telangana when it contributes to 40% of the revenue? Do you not call this discrimination or is it still some emotive and xenophobic people getting paranoid? Did India has a specific plan when it got her freedom? Its not just a few handful jobs. Infact those few handful jobs will make a lot of difference when they are in the right places in the administration. Atleast the administration wont have people with favoritism.

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  32. Idler: "What you fail to notice is there is NO Samaikyandhra sentiment in all of Telangana. Have your Samaikyandhra protestors protested anywhere in Telangana? Why do you want to shamelessly be with us, when we have no desire to be with you?"

    You got your ears and eyes tuned to nothing but T state. Open up and you will find so many people in T districts who are totally against separation. I know some of my friends are against it.
    Now why there are no street protests? Because T fundamentalist goons will follow them to their homes and rough them up. Even politicians are shit scared of them these days.

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  33. Bhanu,
    It is not necessary that every person in Telangana has to support. Majority of the people support the movement. I see this attitude from all the opposers. They want to consider every one not speaking out for Telangana as opposers.Where as not a single group in Telangana talked against it.There were people who did not support the freedom movement of India and wanted British to rule us forever.That can not deter the wish of the majority people.

    One more attitude of denouncing everyone who supports for Telangana. TRS people are goons. Intellectuals are psuedo. Artists are no good. Govt employees are jealous of their Andhra counterparts. Students are emotive. If it is people, they were misguided. None of the facts of disrimination convinces you.But there is one thing beyond all these that you dont want to accept. The prejudice thats in you. I sometimes feel you supress your conscience and look for trivial arguments to back your prejudice.

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  34. --And irrigation and geography I consider you as perplexed half-literate--

    Your opinion of me or my opinion of you does not matter here. If you can prove that you have enough feasible development plans for telangana , especially in irrigation, then i would think of you having a logical case for telangana, rather than an empty headed hate mongerer.

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  35. Bhanu Prasads Andhra supremacist stance can be summarized thusly: It is to the benefits of Telangana to be under Andha rule simply because Andhra is a more advanced culture on any metric. You can't govern yourself. We can't trust you to govern yourself. You are a bunch of 3.5 crore cretins. He is shouting from the rooftops: "We are so much better than you! We are a good thing for you!"

    His position is neither new nor innovative. Moghuls, English and all forms of oppression have used this argument to good effect. He has problems understanding who is fascist and who is oppressed.

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  36. Manohar,

    Yes. There are people who oppose the Telangana state. But they are very less in number. It is not necessary that 100% of the people should support it. If it is a majority, no goons can stop them. I think the next thing you would say 'Maoists will kill them'. Yeah, Even all the politicians were also scared by a handful goons and resigned :-)

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  37. --Bhanu Prasads Andhra supremacist stance can be summarized thusly: It is to the benefits of Telangana to be under Andha rule simply because Andhra is a more advanced culture on any metric. You can't govern yourself. We can't trust you to govern yourself. You are a bunch of 3.5 crore cretins. He is shouting from the rooftops: "We are so much better than you! We are a good thing for you!"--

    Idler, I have just expressed my skepticism at the case for telangana,in particular to the statements that brand us as robbers and looters, and opposition to violent protests by TRS.

    If you can show one statement of my andhra supremacist attitude, I would admit my mistake and support your cause.

    In the posts I have always admitted that backwardness of telangana is largely due to its geography, not to the purported backwardness of telanganites.

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  38. Sujai,
    Of late, this so called self proclaimed legendary actor from yester years Mohan Babu was seen on TV sheepishly saying that Hyderabad belongs to Nizam and Muslims. So he was questioning if we should give away hyderabad to Muslims?
    Blurting out a loud laugh was my instant reaction.
    I thought this famous celebrity was emotionally charged to know that his seemingly untouchable elite class offsprings were bashed by telangana agitators. But I realized later that this is not actually the reality.
    As the story continued his young daughter (again a self proclaimed celebrity from -ta-da-da- USA) pulls out a paper to show this old scrap of article written by everyones beloved Indira Gandhi that if new states form there will be fights for water. So for this vested cause of her native andhrites she shows little shame to declare that she would fight for samaikhyandhra.
    I could not stop my laughter because till then I had been thinking that these youngsters were just cajoled by their selfish leaders to fight for selfless unity and harmony.
    This I just wanted to bring to your notice that while you have been trying to explain by every logical means that Separate Telangana benefits long suppressed telangana and its people still they come up with an irrevalent doubt on our peoples' political strength and capability.
    The hidden agenda behind these so called idealogical blabber is only their selfish gains and nothing much. We wasted lot of our time to explain things they already aware of.

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  39. Bhanu,

    If you think that a state which has margnialised a sizeable group of people for 56 years can all of a sudden becomes congenial to the development of that supressed region, Please put forward your plan for development. If you have enough logical backing that Telangana will not be marginalized in the cureent system, Please present it. I will change my stand. You just have to convince me that your guidelines for Telangana development will not be broken like those regulations that were flouted in the last 50 years

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  40. Its time brothers and sisters of Telangana! Wake up and fight! Its not Andhra's who ruined us. Its our leaders our elected MLA's,MPs,CM's,Central Ministers,and state ministers.

    Distinguish the leaders who are honest and genuine for the cause, those leaders who have taken beatings from Police Lathi, those leaders who have been with Students in the tents during the chilly nights. Those who walked with you all thru ur agitation.

    But not those who commands you sitting in Palaces, who ignites you for voilence hiding themselves far away, those who funds your student leaders to mobilise you to create havoc, those who parties while the agitators fast unto death.

    Please open up to the facts.

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  41. Bhanu Prasad:

    There are people around the world who do not want to change their prejudice no matter how much you reason with them. There are people who believe completely imaginary stuff and no matter how much you show evidence they will never accept it.

    Even now, there are enough number of people on this planet who refuse to believe man landed on Moon and some who continue to believe aliens gave us optic fiber technology. No matter how much evidence is produced, they will not change their mind and cast doubts on everything.

    In 2004, TRS-Congress alliance swept the polls. TRS had single-point mandate – to get separate Telangana. In absence of any referendum in India, that is seen as a very good tool to measure Telangana sentiment. In 2009, every party, except some communist parties, endorsed separate Telangana. Congress (UPA), Prajarajyam, TDP, TRS, BJP, all have included Telangana in their election manifestos. For example, TDP leaders promised more on Telangana than TRS in the last election. So, if all of them combined have swept polls, can we conclude that Telangana sentiment still exists?

    Very much so! It has become an universal cause now, not exclusive to any single party. Given the context of prior 2004 elections, it is clear that majority of Telangana people had voted for separate Telangana. Why should ONLY TRS win 80%-90% majority? Didn't other parties also promise Telangana?

    In such times little bit of rational thinking helps. Give this problem to any person on this planet who has studied Set Theory and ask him if Telangana people have voted for Telangana State or not. They will say YES.

    Ignoring tools of logic can be quite cumbersome in making a rational discussion. Education does not mean just passing exams. It also involves ability to use the tools of logic.

    What you are asking is possible only in dictatorships where 80%-90% is the outcome of an election. And why 80%-90%? Where did you come up with number? Why not simple majority?

    You discount KCR completely, but just two days ago, many MLAs and MPs stood next to him on the same platform and endorsed him. Many MLAs and MPs took the pledge that their leader is ‘separate Telangana’ and that they are united under that cause. What does that show?

    There are some people who don’t believe that Polar Regions have six-month day and six-month night. Even if you take them there, they will call it an illusion.

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  42. Bix,

    Thanks for starting a logical argument. Here is my plan for development of telangana:

    a)Fill the govt offices in telangana with telanganites,moving out andhras to their region.

    b)State will have 3 deputy CM's each from one region.

    c)Complete waiver of fees in all educational institutions for students of telangana. We andhrites do not bother to take extra burden.

    d)Set up state planning commission, with each member from each region.

    e)Set up a IIT at Baasara rather than Hyderabad.

    f)Agreement to use 50% of gas from KG basin to industries in telanganites.

    g)Inspite of abuse from sravan, I maintain my stand. Irrigation is not cost effective in telangana. The only option is to concenrate on manufacturing and services.

    And I am thinking of further plans

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  43. Bhanu,

    If you think that the backwardness of Telangana is due to geography, I would like you to answer the following questions.

    1) Why was the Nagarjun Sagar project altered to reduce the inflow to left canal which would serve Telangana? Why are we not getting the TMC that we are entitled to it part of the 1954 agreement?
    2)Why did the govt not spend enough to complete the SriRamSagar phase II project which will serve Warangal and Karimnagar?
    3) Why was the GO610 abused to the level of tens of thoursands of posts in the administration?

    Just a few for the timebeing. Geography is one reason, but dont say that is the big reason. It is like sying Telangana can never develop.

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  44. Bhanu Prasad,
    --And irrigation and geography I consider you as perplexed half-literate--

    Your opinion of me or my opinion of you does not matter here. If you can prove that you have enough feasible development plans for telangana , especially in irrigation, then i would think of you having a logical case for telangana, rather than an empty headed hate mongerer.


    After saying all the above I almost resigned to answer but I feel compelled to give a last chance for you..
    When I said half-literate I actually meant it.
    A half-literate is one who can write but cannot read.
    Inspite of consistently writing comments on this blog, you failed to read anything written by the owner of this blog about this issue. You would definitely find answers for your perpetual doubts or questions, if I may say, right here in this very weblog.

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  45. Bix,

    Fair questions there. I do not have answer for Q1, let me do some research and tell you.

    Regarding Q2, it is well known that all hydro electric projects are delayed. Sujai knows the culprits.In one of the posts he beautifully blasted Arundathi roy and Medha patkar. I am not saying that these individuals are responsible for delay of projects, but there are lots of issues related like rehabilitation etc.,.

    Regarding Q3, 610 GO involves moving out govt employees, and moving, relocating them is very difficult thanks to assorted red tape etc., Even in 2010 APPSC is a red-tape ridden crap.

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  46. Bhanu Prasad:

    [Contd…]

    Did Samaikya Andhra get 80%-90% in the last elections? Not really. All the parties of Andhra Pradesh except some Communists Parties have promised separate Telangana. Therefore, no party actually won on the plank of Samaikya Andhra. So how come it is being given the due credit in the current imbroglio?

    Going by your logic, one should actually conclude that there is no support for Samaikya Andhra at all. Yet, I will not be that foolish. It was clear from the last 15 days that people of Andhra and Rayalaseema overwhelmingly support Samaikya Andhra which has forced their leaders to clearly polarize and unite themselves along regional lines – Andhra-Rayalaseema on one side, Telangana on the other side, and that’s how Samaikya Andhra get its legitimacy.

    As a rational person, completely abandoning your flawed logic of looking at electoral results, I understand that there is overwhelming sympathy for Samaikya Andhra and understand that it is a real feeling and sentiment of Andhra-Rayalaseema people. I don’t know the exact measure of it, but I can deduce that it is indeed a big one.

    How come none of you come to the same conclusion about Telangana Movement? How come your prejudice completely blinds you from reasoning?

    I am still looking for a rational voice from Andhras. I find them amongst my friends, my Andhra friends who clearly endorse separate Telangana. But unfortunately they are NOT the common man on the street. I hope to find one in the blogosphere.

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  47. --It is like sying Telangana can never develop.--

    There are other ways by which telangana can develop, I am only counting out irrigation. Hope this helps

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  48. --Did Samaikya Andhra get 80%-90% in the last elections? Not really. All the parties of Andhra Pradesh except some Communists Parties have promised separate Telangana. Therefore, no party actually won on the plank of Samaikya Andhra--

    That's a fair argument. But one should note that, TRS did not compete in the andhra region, and congress and TDP which supported them have only said they are "bound to process of formation of telangana". No one said that they would give state on the platter.

    The only option is TRS should run in Raayalaseema and andhra, then we can see the votes they get

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  49. Bhanu prasad,
    That's a fair argument. But one should note that, TRS did not compete in the andhra region, and congress and TDP which supported them have only said they are "bound to process of formation of telangana". No one said that they would give state on the platter
    So do you mean that andhra people cleverly assumed that it means the other way and where as telangana people are as usual idiotic to believe in them?

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  50. -- where as telangana people are as usual idiotic to believe in them?--

    What's idiotic in this?. People who wanted seperate telangana voted for TRS and those who were skeptical did not vote for them and voted for "middle-way" parties, that were not so receptive to telangana.

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  51. *a)Fill the govt offices in telangana with telanganites,moving out andhras to their region.

    To address the same after 1969 movement GO 36 was introduced to protect the interests of Telangana. Again to adress this GO610 was introduced in 1985. In the premises of Telangana movement, Congress govt has tried to identify the violations. The comittee was never able to achieve its goal of identifying, forget relocating them. This suggesstion was given 40 years back when there was a movement and ironically its come up again.Believe me, Im no way doubting the good intention behind your suggestion, but it brings a mix of contemptous laugh and despair in me.

    *b)State will have 3 deputy CM's each from one region.
    According to Gentlemen agreement of 1956, If the CM is from other region, There needs to be a deputy CM from Telangana.

    *c)Complete waiver of fees in all educational institutions for students of telangana. We andhrites do not bother to take extra burden.
    Forget about taking extra burden, Govt is not spending all the revenue earned from Telangana here

    *d)Set up state planning commission, with each member from each region.
    Regional development boards were planned earlier too and abolished. They never worked over decades


    Brother, I really appreciate your good intentions, but the system is beyond repair for Telangana.My grand pa fought for it, my dad and myself supporting it now. I dont want my son to fight for the same cause in another 15 years :-).

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  52. You think people who were skeptic voted for parties other than TRS. And you also assume that these skeptic individuals have clearly seen the meaning behind the words in manifesto just like their counterparts in andhra.
    So when the whole telangana came on to roads to show their support why these same parties empathized with them?
    Where as when these very idiots turned volte-face after the statement, the so call politically aware andhra people believed their words again?
    Didn't they notice their support for telangana during agitation?
    And this support I assume was not a word-play like in manifesto.

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  53. --You think people who were skeptic voted for parties other than TRS. And you also assume that these skeptic individuals have clearly seen the meaning behind the words in manifesto just like their counterparts in andhra.--

    Man..I was speaking about the situation in telangana. The true barometer would be to ask TRS to putforward the state-bifurcation agenda and contest in Andhra. That would be the true measure.

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  54. --Believe me, Im no way doubting the good intention behind your suggestion, but it brings a mix of contemptous laugh and despair in me.--
    Ok..i understood the humour in your lines. But this suggestion is hard to implement, as one cannot just replace the experience acquired by these andhra employees. This relocation would be a long drawn out procedure.

    But if some one files a case on this in judiciary, we would be in soup. I am not sure whether constitution approves of region based job reservations. If not, a new law will have to be brought in by the parliament.

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  55. Yes exactly that is what I am saying. When it comes to voting just one or the other issue is not important for an individual. He looks beyond that.
    If I say that even though many andhra people support telanagana tehey would not vote this TRS because they have their own interests before telangana which is not at all their region. If suppose they vote this TRS whose agenda is Telangana state then why should they loose their own interests for a neighbouring regions interests?
    This whole thing you are suggesting is a grand scale flop show. By that I mean an impractical solution

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  56. Bhanu Prasad ,
    Where as you cleverly tried to bring the focus on few sentences, you ignored my questions that follwed regarding andhra peoples' responsibiliy in believing the parties that openly supported seaparate state during first phase of telangana agitations and turned volteface after HM's statement.
    i sincerely expect your opinion on that.

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  57. If you can show one statement of my andhra supremacist attitude, I would admit my mistake and support your cause.


    ROFL! Now you remove your post on your blog which reeks of supremacism and ask me to provide proof! You lack the courage to stand behind your own posts! Grow some balls!

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  58. Bhanu,

    I hope you understand it now.Thats exactly what First SRC suggested as they rightly expected that Telangana will be marginalized. There is one solution to all these problems. In a Telangana state we can get whats rightfully ours. That does not end there though, but that will remove the biggest hurdle.

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  59. Bix, Sravan, Sujai - You can safely ignore Bhanu Prsad. He just regurgitates stray undigested bits of other Andhra supremacist commentors.

    1. Telagana was backward, is backward and will be backward due to historic, genetic, cultural, geographic and intellectual reasons. Most importantly, it is full of cretins who can't be trusted to rule themselves.
    2. Andhra carries the "White mans burden" of civilizing and improving Telangana, with little to no effect because of the aforementioned reasons.
    3. He conveniently shifts the burden of proof when the people of Telangana ask for self-determination. Says people of Telangana lack the vision and therefore are not entitled, while the plan from Andhra has been notably absent since the past 6 decades and will remain to be absent (again, due to the reasons above).
    4. He expects this from the people of Telangana: "You rise and sleep under the very blanket of Andhra culture that we provide and then question the manner in which we provide it. I would prefer you just said thank you and went on your way."

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  60. @Idler,

    I have removed the post indeed, Few more points will be added and it would be back soon....And I do not recollect anything supremacist in that post. I merely said that feudalistic oppression has left majority of telanganites with out nutrition and this has stunted their cognitive growth.

    Specifically I will answer three points raised by Bix. if you think that as cowardice, you are free to indulge in fantasy.

    @sravan,

    --seaparate state during first phase of telangana agitations and turned volteface after HM's statement.--

    They failed in assessing the popular opinion. These selfish parties aimed to get the existing telangana sentiment votebank while at the same time not loosing coastal andhra and raayalaseema people.

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  61. Idler,
    Till now I was really disregarding your intrusions thinking that Bhanu Prasad is a logical thinker but I am now convinced that I will go with your words.
    He says,
    I merely said that feudalistic oppression has left majority of telanganites with out nutrition and this has stunted their cognitive growth.
    And some how believes that he does not know what is supremacist about that.
    I think he is one of those red libereals he seems to be despising.
    BOOO to BP

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  62. Idler,
    He again and again proves that by tirade and emiting venomous assertions on those who question his credibility. Look at his new Post in his brand new blog
    Seperate Telangana: A Demand That holds no merit

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  63. Bhanu Prasad,

    Your article gives all legitimacy and proof needed for Telangana movement and struggle. Your article reeks of supremacist-attitude to the core.
    This is exactly how pro-slavery writers wrote before civil war in the west.

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  64. two or three generations from now, if provided with good nutrition and facilities, they would be able to meet the andhra upper castes

    .. and an upper caste supremacist as well!

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  65. I think we have the Hitler for third world war ready, right here in India

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  66. what happens to Badhrachalam region? if state devides?

    http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?title=Bhadrachalam%20residents%20preferTelangana&artid=bXFP369CTbc=&type=

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  67. Dear Arachana, Bix, Idler, Sravan, Sujai,

    You know something called lethargy, exactly this is is what the players like Bhanu......-like people (BLP) will try to induce in us. The more they do this the more will be our inspiration to fight-for-Telangana and realisation of how-the-telangana-is-persistently-suppressed.

    I laud every one of you guys, but would once again request not to waste your time in answering these BLPies.

    Can we think in a more sophisticated manner?

    Thanks

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  68. Continuing the previous comment of mine:
    Please not that the addressees are listed in an alphabetical order, no other interpretation should be pursued.

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  70. Bhanu Prasad:
    I am not sure whether constitution approves of region based job reservations.

    Regions-based-job-reservations are called Mulki Rules, whereby 80% to 60% of jobs are reserved for people of a certain regions within the same state. Supreme Court has upheld the Mulki Rules as valid under Indian Constitution.

    If not, a new law will have to be brought in by the parliament.

    You don’t have to create new law. The law exists. You just have to implement the law – which was not implemented by Andhras, and hence Telangana Movement.

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  71. malgudi days,
    I will try to follow your advise.
    Coming to the alphabetical order thing, yu amaze me with your blogological precognition.
    But have you ever confirmed your notions?

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  72. To Bhanu Prasad if you ever happen to see this,
    They failed in assessing the popular opinion. These selfish parties aimed to get the existing telangana sentiment votebank while at the same time not loosing coastal andhra and raayalaseema people.
    This was their reasoning,the politicians' reason why they are backtracking their support to telangana.
    But my question was why you andhra intellectuals believed them? after watching all through the way how they had been staggering on their own decisions over this issue? Don't to have a responsibility?
    If not now don't you think they will dump you some day?

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  73. BIX,

    1.I am very curious about how you came up with this question. Is the source of your question hearsay or does it have actual statistics supporting it?
    - Are you suggesting that when water was available, the administration reduced the flow to the left canal? What do you mean by "altered". Certainly the dam wasnt lowered in some parts.
    - When was this done? Which year? By which administration?
    The most irrigated district from the waters of Nagarjuna sagar is Nalgonda. Given this fact, its conflicting with your question.
    - If water is not available, there will not be enough inflow to either canal. Are you sure you are not confusing this with lack of water in the dam?
    2. I believe this project has been in progress in the last 5 years. What exactly do you mean by enough? Enough out of how much and when?

    3.GO610 and its implementation has been corrected in the past 5 years.It takes an able administration and aligned stars in some cases for this to be done. Not just in Telangana but everywhere in India. When Indian politics is filled with corruption if you think development is not being done in Telangana alone, you are mistaken.

    By all means go ahead and form a new state. I suggest you also make a 30 year plan to prepare new leaders or if you have enough conviction become that leader yourself to make sure your region is developed. If you think the current lot of politicians or the student leaders/goons being groomed to be the next lot will do something in a separate Telengana, you might have another revolt on your hands in the future.

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  74. dyuti:

    I suggest you also make a 30 year plan to prepare new leaders

    Did you do that same when you carved Andhra State out of Madras State?

    3.GO610 and its implementation has been corrected in the past 5 years. It takes an able administration and aligned stars in some cases for this to be done.

    You forgot few other things that we need to get GO 610 to be implemented. Sighting of a live dinosaur, 20 Solar eclipses happening in sequence, One meteor hitting the earth, one Tsunami, and 3 new planets discovered in our Solar system, and 7 new chemical elements discovered. Hopefully, if all these happen, then GO 610 might be implemented.

    Or here is a simpler way – create a new state.

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  75. Sujay, Sravan, and all other half literate knee jerk reaction Telangana fanatics

    Please read this blog post by Katta Vijay and tell us your views.

    Questions and Answes about Telangana

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  76. Precisely my point Sujai. Development has not been done anywhere in India perfectly according to plans. Administration has failed in other parts of the state also in a lot of cases. And where development happened, it cannot be explained rationally and is so random that it can only be attributed to aligned stars. Its not a unique phenomenon that is being sighted in Telangana alone.

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  77. It takes more than the following to enable a separate state-
    - thugs and cheats such as KCR
    - misrepresentation of facts and blatant lies
    - scare mongering tactics such as false or illegitimate resignations
    - criminals and thugs such as KCR who instigate the telanganites through provocative speeches

    KCR - be warned that the telganites aren't that they can't rely on thugs and cheats such as you to lead them to better lives.

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  78. Dyuthi (escape from Duty),

    Development has not been done anywhere in India perfectly according to plans. Administration has failed in other parts of the state also in a lot of cases. And where development happened, it cannot be explained rationally and is so random that it can only be attributed to aligned stars. Its not a unique phenomenon that is being sighted in Telangana alone.

    Development of a region is a concept as foreign to you (and your esteemed Andhra leaders) as quantum mechanics to a garden lizard. We have problems with such 'visionary' leadership, who blame stars light years away for our longstanding problems. We want to part ways to pursue a different path. Whats your problem with that? Note: you and your leaders can continue star-gazing in your new state. We have absolutely no problems with that.

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  79. Dear Anonymous,

    Please read this blog post by Katta Vijay and tell us your views.


    In principle, such blatant lies should be condemned and ignored as trash and junk. But, being a person who can read English, you found a treasure in it.

    However, dear anonymous, you need to develop some 'Critical Thinking' and question the information being fed to you in that site of lies. I can go on and rip apart every sentence presented there and even tell you how some things stated on that very site strengthen the demand for Telangana.

    Here is a question for you, if you are able to answer it with all your intelligence, logic and balanced argument:

    Why NOT Telangana?

    P.S: If your answer lacks credibility and sounds illogical, please do not expect anyone to respond to it.

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  80. I've been following Sujai's blog (series of blogs rather) on Telangana for a while. The more comments I read (i.e. from those that do not agree with this cause), the more clearer it becomes that none is making any coherent argument and are merely running round in circles, making irrelevant points or discrediting his arguments with nothing to backup - no precedents, no statistics & no case for alternative solutions, no hope/promise to make amends etc. For a neutral observer like me, it does not take a leap of faith to empathize with cause espoused by Sujai..it is merely a rational choice with no better alternative.

    A month of mayhem is quite enough...may be you guys should just let telengana people chart their own future. That way bad-blood could be avoided and cultural unity among Telugus could be preserved. After all these events, that is the best one could hope for...even from a national perspective. As Indians, the last thing we need is perpetual enmity between neighboring states. So please do not delay the inevitable but ride the tide. In hindsight, you would be glad that you did!!!

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  81. Archana:I can go on and rip apart every sentence presented there and even tell you how some things stated on that very site strengthen the demand for Telangana.

    Please do the honors.

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  82. Dyuti,

    Mr. Vijay katta's article is in the Q&A format.
    1. Who posed those questions?
    2. Were those the ONLY points projected by the Telangana people for asking for their old state back?
    3. Where were these questions gathered from and how does Mr. Vijay's in-sufficient answer to those questions dismiss the demand for Telangana?

    To begin with the very first part under answer to first question, He goes about stating... "the above statement is more of a prejudiced opinion than a fact".

    He does not defend his claim with any FACTS. He has merely dismissed away the claim that Telangana is a backward region, stating that other regions are considered more backward. Where does the data to back up this information come from? What are the economic indicators to prove his claim? How does stating that other districts are backward, dismiss away the demand for Telangana?

    Every statement he makes in that article is based on flimsy grounds and terrible logic. The article doesn't address concerns of telangana people. It merely tells them.... "I can draw a bigger line against the line you've shown me. Hence, dont be disappointed with the poor growth in Telangana".

    He used 'escapism'.... not a valid argument.

    Coming back to my question....

    Why NOT Telangana?

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  83. To all neo'con' Telanganites

    When some one tries to answer with reason and facts to some of the questions (posed by many people who supported a seperate Telangana state)

    You can see a knee jerk reaction

    They are all lies, bunch of lies, no facts and all trash. Escapism and so on.

    I am not interested in "Why not Telangana?"
    as the question it self is not valid question acc to me.

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  84. Druthy and other Anonymous Cowards,

    Do you Andhra folk have no self-respect and shame? When the people of Telangana have no desire to live with you - why do you throw yourselves at us?

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  85. To Anonymous,

    Knee-jerk-Reaction = emotional response.

    My responses above were backed up with reason, not emotions.

    You've chickened out on the question "Why NOT Telangana"

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  86. Dyuthi,

    If my house is on fire, and you point out that there are other houses on fire - it doesn't mean anything to me.

    Pointing out that there are other backward regions is quite meaningless and misrepresenting our position, a logical fallacy known as straw man argument.

    If you are making the claim that your areas are backward too - then you are making the strongest case for separation from your side.

    Splitting ways would be best, you can question your own leaders for your backward areas while we question ours.

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  87. Dyuti,

    Those questions just flew out of my mouth when Bhanu asked. There are hundreds more to be answered.
    1)Nagarjuna Sagar project was taken up as a joint project between the then Andhra State and the then Hyderabad State in 1954. On the basis of the agreement the project was to be jointly executed with left canal to serve 7.95 lakh acres in Nalgonda and Khammam districts with 161 TMC feet of water as its share. Around 2 lakhs acres of lands in Andhra State limits were also to be served from the left canal.
    With the reorganization of states and the merging of Telangana with Andhra, the Andhra State became sole authority to execute the project. The bed levels of left main canal were indiscriminately dropped. As a result of this manipulation in the ayacut of left canal, the ayacut in Telangana The Nagarjuna sagar supplies only 80 TMC feet of water to Telangana ayacut under left canal, against its entitlement of 161 TMC feet of water, under 1954 agreement.
    This is a violation of 1954 agreement and violation of the rights of Telangana Protected under section 108(2) (a) of SR act. The left canal alignment is manipulated so badly that it is not possible to make available the balance water from left canal
    2)I happen to be from a place where there is SRSP canal. SRSP took 40 years to complete. Int he last 10 years, we hardly saw water in that canal. Total count would be some 20 days.The governments in AP gave high priority to irrigation in the five-year plans and Rs 12,104 crore was spent on it between 1956 and 2002. This constitutes nearly 25 per cent of the total plan outlay from the II Plan to IX Plan. As a consequence net irrigated area increased from 27.47 lakh hectares to 55 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. A lion’s share, 90 per cent, in the public expenditure on irrigation was allocated for major and medium irrigation and minor irrigation received only 10 per cent of the allocation. This policy has resulted in the decline of the minor irrigation particularly tank irrigation and consequently the net area under tank irrigation declined from 10.68 lakh hectares to 5.67 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. In contrast the net area irrigated by canals has gone up from 12.92 lakh hectares to 15 lakh hectares between 1955- 56 and 2001-2002.
    3)Alligned stars?? Thanks for the advice, but we have other practical means to correct that.

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  88. Guys,
    Look at this(From Katta's Q&A)
    Another piece of interesting information on the background of Nagarjuna Sagar – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_of_Muktyala#Achievements.
    "Raja spent fifty two lakhs of rupees (in 1950s) as a matching grant for the project construction". What is the investment of Telangana in this project, while reaping the benefits of the project and yet promoting the idea that injustice was done ?

    This very Raja who failed to help the govt. of ANdhra state whne it was in debts and eyeing on the surplus revenues of hyderabad state to pay its workforce.
    If it is agreed that the RAJA made investment on behalf of andhraites, then revenues from erstwile hyderabad state with telangana that were used to cover up andhra staes revenue debt is indeed telangana's investment?
    I realize a neoimperialistic/racist overtone when this guys comes up with these kind of issues.

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  89. Dyuti,

    Another line from Katta's Q& A:

    This is not a problem unique to Mahabubnagar. Srikakulam and Vizianagaram districts have the same problem. The problem in Mahabubnagar district is conveniently projected as a Telangana issue.


    1. He admits that there is a problem.
    2. He points at other areas saying there is a similar problem there. (Please note that when he calls Vizianagaram and Srikakulam, it is not backed up by any numbers or facts).
    3. He says that 'The problem in Mahabubnagar district is conveniently projected as a Telangana issue.' If a problem in Mumbai cannot be called India's problem by Indian media, don't you think that would be in-justice to Mumbai? What does he mean when he says mahbubnagar's problem is not a Telangana issue?

    I hope you are (still) working on the question Why NOT Telangana
    Archana.

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  90. I never understand why my telangana friends are following the path of abuse and violence on Andhra/Seema people, rather than begin negotiations with all the stakeholders using home ministry as mediator to solve this issue.

    Telangana intellectuals should come out openly and start the dialogue with their counterparts to find an amicable solution. But if all the sane telangana people keep quiet and let the movement dominate by KCR, we will never achieve solution to this problem.

    KCR is the biggest disaster for "Telangana State". This so-called filthy leader who is using hate propaganda will never achieve the "Telangana State" with his hitler-approach in Indian democracy. So, sooner the KCR mouth is shut, the sooner we will find solution to "Telangana State". KCR face is being projected as the face of the entire telangana people. All the negative attributes of KCR, filthy hatred drunkard, are being viewed as that of telangana people. "KCR Fast" is being projected as the "Comedy Soap" in the political circles to dilute the telangana sentiment.

    Please kick out KCR from the genuine telangana movement to realize the formation of Telangana at the earliest.

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  91. Dear Ladies and Gentleman,
    Here I introduce Ashok, direct descendent of Britisher ideology who once ruled his land, shows highest empathy towards telangana people for their backwardness and underdevelopment.
    At the same time takes any satirical condemnation and sarcasm from telangana people as staunch abuse and warns you like a cop that this can be used as evidence aginst you for your terrorist ideology.
    For unknown reasons to him he has immense hatred for KCR/TRS. Where as he believes separate telangana movement now is KCR/TCR and viceversa, he self-contradictively says he himself wants separate telangana with dialogue.
    He with broadmind and great heart invite telangana people and only those who are intellectual and sane to negotiate telangana for most other illiterate and ofcourse insane telangana people. He fails to understand our language, its inherent sarcastic remarks and still thinks dialogue only gets telangana.
    Whereas we have reached present stage and lost telangana after scores of negotiations that almost got us our wish, until these same gentlemen broke riots and unleashed bigotry
    against our wishes with out a stint of dialogue or consultation.
    Hats off to your double standards andhra people

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  92. Ashok,

    Please kick out KCR from the genuine telangana movement to realize the formation of Telangana at the earliest.

    You may be pointing at a comedy angle to this struggle. But, when we have no problems with the chai-wallahs and auto-wallahs participating in this in their own style, shouting slogans at street corners, why should we go about stopping Mr. KCR from exercising his freedom of speech?

    If you see comedy in KCR, we see more of it in the empty and soul-less 'Smaikyandhra' slogans, not to forget the ace-runner Lagadapati running his way to sleep in an ICU bed!

    Also, I am glad that the Multi-national companies doing business in India dont use your argument and say "fire all your corrupt politicians before we do any business with India".


    Telangana intellectuals should come out openly and start the dialogue with their counterparts to find an amicable solution.


    There are no counterparts in this struggle. There are oppressors who do not want to let go of their Control over the region and its resources.

    And... at this point, If Democratic govts. in India fails to uphold the Constitution, Violence and KCRs are a minor side-effect.... continued oppression being the major one.

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  94. Sravan:

    What double standards (DS) you are talking about?

    The great Marri Chenna Reddy sold out to Indira Gandhi -- DS?

    KCR took out victory rallies as if Telangana state was formed, widely advertising his picture with Sonia Gandhi. Is KCR already sold out to Sonia Gandhi -- DS??

    JAC was formed to fight for Telangana state, so all parties decided to work from a single platform. Don't you see the infighting among politicians in JAC. How many politicians from various parties are willing to work with filthy-mouth KCR in JAC?? Do you think KCR deserves to be heading a party like TRS to achieve Telangana state?

    Honestly tell me, with KCR attached to Telangana cause, did he rightly project and protect the image of telangana people? Can you estimate the pros and cons of having KCR in the telangana movement at this crucial moment, so close to realizing the dream of telangana?

    Whatever, somehow telangana people, reached the stage of Govt. of India accepting to initiate the process of Telangana. From now onwards, its only a matter of time to realize it. But we have to disassociate and distance ourselves from KCR in order to make the dream of Telangana happen.

    KCR is a liability for the formation of Telangana state at this critical moment. I hope sane telangana friends will judge by themselves the damage being done by KCR now and also after forming the telangana state.

    4 crore people of Telangana deserves a better leadership face than KCR. "KCR means Telangana, and vice versa", is the message going into the masses, if that happens "KCR will be the Shibhu Soren of Telangana".

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  95. Archana:

    All I am suggesting is, how to improvize "Telangana movement" inorder to realize "Telangana state" ASAP.

    All Telangana intellectuals, please think without bias and find ways to make telangana movement more effective by cutting the loopholes.

    *Telangana state formation process is somehow initiated. Now peaceful atmosphere is required to complete the procedures of bifurcation of AP. At this critical point of time, is KCR, with lot of negative image and symbol of hatred, is an asset or liability for "Telangana state formation"??

    * No consultations required? No procedures required? Are you kidding me? Is "New state formation" like Chidambaram writing a blank cheque? You like it or not, consultations will be made with our counterparts to discuss irrigation projects, hyderabad capital sharing, new capital formation, special packages etc etc

    I wish "Telangana state" formation was with a "Click of mouse", that way no violence, strikes, animosity, hatred etc

    We have to be practical to achieve Telangana state, there should be some give and take, otherwise we will be talking about "Telangana Movement" for the next 100 years.

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  96. Ashok,

    The content-free crap you just wrote doesn't deserve any reply. I have better things to do than to educate your half-cooked brains.

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  97. Ashok,
    I know you have problems understanding telangana language but you show here that you problems understanding any thing in right perspective.
    i "KCR means Telangana, and vice versa"
    That is going to masses or pseudo intellectual andhra people like you?
    Go back on what you wrote and look. It is clear that when I meant double standards I meant that whole andhra people who had taken to roads to ditch and backstab telangana people.
    Where as you focus on KCR?TRS or some handful of politicians.
    WHo is sending and recieving messages here my friend?
    I echo with Archana,
    you write lot of content free crap?
    LOL

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  99. Archana:

    Naxalites are fighting in India from a long time using violence-approach , what did they achieve at the end of the day??

    "Telangana State" formed by spreading hatred and using violence on Andhra/Seema, will be a "Failed State". If KCR is going to be the "First CM of Telangana", then we will see "Nazi rule in Telangana".

    Have patience and don't abuse everyone who has a different point of view. Why are you so intolerant?? CBN is the creator of "Brand Hyderabad in IT" and many telangana friends prospered in IT careers. We should be thankful to CBN, eventhough he is a andhra/seema leader. But we should appreciate andhra/seema people' contributions also. Just with hatred and blaming for all our ills on andhras will serve no purpose, Telangana state will end up like a disaster.

    Did Andhras ask Chenna Reddy to compromise with Indira Gandhi?? Isn't Chenna Reddy, Telangana Traitor? Chenna Reddy should take moral responsibility for 370 innocent student deaths? Why blame Andhras for everything, when our own people are crooked idiots.

    Who stopped Ponnala lakshmaiah to develop major irrigation in telangana? Who stopped Ponnala lakshmaiah from releasing water to farmers from Nagarjuna Sagar? Who stopped Sunita lakshmareddy in developing minor irrigation in telangana? As long as telangana politicians are happy in getting minister positions and neglecting telangana interests, why blamae andhras for everything??

    Atleast thank CBN for focussing on Hyderaband development and brand for 9 years and for giving such a powerful beautiful economic capital for Telangana State. People of Telangana should thank CBN for developing Hyderabad.

    Hitler gaadu vaaguthunnaappudu Germans anthaa vaadi matthulo vunnaaru......tharuvaathaa gaani ardham kaaledhu Hitler valla jarigina damage Germans ki. KCR ni ippudu manam aapaka pothe, tharuvaatha bhaadha padedhi maname. God bless Telangana People and protect them from these evil crooked politicians and naxalites.

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  100. Ashok,

    All I am suggesting is, how to improvize "Telangana movement" inorder to realize "Telangana state" ASAP.


    I admire you for your position on telangana.
    But instead of what you are saying, I think Parliamentary resolution is the best and straight way to get telangana?
    Why do you want to go with already repeatedly tested and failed methods?

    Well if the violent protests are going on means it is because of the bad precedent created by andhra people and their govt. when they kicked off the anarchic methods to pulverize telangana movement and blackmail union gov. for which it unfortunately conceded.

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  101. Sravan:

    If Sonia wants to put the bill in parliament, who is stopping her. Even after launching the constitutional process for the creation of telangana, the home ministry will definitely consult all the concerned parties to discuss the procedures for bifurcation.

    KCR ki mind ledhu -- immediately andhras meedha verbal/physical attack aapi. Telangana MPs/Ministers use chesukoni, Sonia chetha parliament lo bill pettinchadaaniki try cheyyali anthe gaani. Chidambaram telangana ki anukuulam gaa vunnappuddu, eee thikka thalakaayi leni KCR gaadi andhras meedha padaalsina avasaram yemiti. Eee thala thikka maatala valle Greater elections lo poti chese dhammu ledhu veediki??

    Andhra/Seema vaallani kudaa pogidi natlu pogidi.....yetho oka TV channel lo manchigaa oka debate vesukoni oka 2 hrs. Parliament bill pettinchuko anthegaani. KCR gaadi kallu kothi yevvaaram chuusthe, Advani kudaa bhayapaduthaadu parliament lo bill ni support cheyyadaaniki.

    Naa bhaadha anthaa KCR gaadini maro Raj Thackery tho polchi.........Telangana janalnni Telangana movement ki comedy chesesthaaru vested interests.

    Mana vallaaki yemo aavesam yekkuva.......Jagan CM ani avesam lo chesaaru yemi ayyindhi yemi kaala........KCR kaastha noru muusukoni, andharini kalupukoni pothunnatlu build-up icchi, brothers brothers antu Parliament lo bill pettinchukoni pani chesukovaale gaani.

    Naalukulu kosthaaa?? Agni gundam? Anu vispotam? Hyd lo settlers sangathi chuusthaaam?? -- Ee maatalu vini, Advani gaadu national party bill kudaaa support cheyyaaru, because KCR is spreading hatred.

    KCR speeches bhale vuntaayi manaki entertainment laagaa, bhale bhale thittaadu andhraa vallaani ani...........1% enterntainment manaki, 200% damage for "Telangana State" formation.

    Sujai lanti vaallu velli "Telangana State" ni lead cheyyadam better......ee Kothi KCR and family tho polisthe.

    I will tell u one example:
    KTR vs Manish Tiwari debate on NDTV. KTR gaadiki kudaa noti dhuradhaa, okati rendu saarlu alochinchi debate cheyyaali national english TV lo. Telangana separation ni British vaari nundi independence pondhina dhaanith compare chesaadu ee thikka KTR. Manish Tiwari vuthiki aaresaadu KTR ni. National India TV lo British empire Independence tho Telangana separtion from Andhra compare cheyyadam peddha mistake. Ventane KTR gaadini oka Pakisthaani laagaa chuusaaru national audience. Manish Tiware was not convinced. Idhe KTR gaadini pampaamu anuko, Sonia Gandhi tho negotiate cheyamani.......veedu damage ye yekkuva chesthaadu. Software engineer coding chesukoka veediki yendhuku "Telangana debates", KCR koduk ayyinantha maatrana manchi political negotiator kaagaladaaa??

    KCR family is the curse for "Telangana". Yekkado Bihar nunchi vacchinaa vaadi family, ippudu Telangana lo petthanam chalaayinchadam......Mana Karma!!

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  102. I think you are writing a mindless crap with full of self contradictory statements and accusations irrevlevant to the issue
    With that I resign replying to any of your posts

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  103. Strategy for achieving Telangana State:

    * One team should focus on "Peaceful and Innovative Protests"

    * One team should focus on delhi lobbying to initiate the constitutional process

    * One team should focus on psychologically winning andhra/seema/greater-hyd people. Broadminded moderate clean image personalities should be picked on this team to initiate dialogue and debate on various media forums to mentally prepare andhra/seema people.

    * One team should focus on media management. Telangana people genuine sentiments should be projected more than the various politicians. Telangana movement should not be seen as "Political Career Fair" for telangana politicians. Visibility of KCR should be dominated by "Telangana Sentiment"

    The best way to mentally prepare andhra/seema people is by running very informative ads. These ads should focus on the long oppression of Telangana people under Nizam, 370 student deaths and farmers. One ad should exclusively focus on details and numbers, regarding continued negligence of telangana development (excluding hyderabad).
    Don't focus too much on Hyderabad.

    Bottom line: Andhra/Seema have no idea why telangana people are fighting for, even though they have Hyderabad close to them. So explain to the people with facts and proofs, its very simple use the TV ads.

    I am totally against KCR-style campaign, mana intlo yelaa chettha gaa behave chesinaa yemi kaadhu.........KCR is representing telangana annappudu, all eyes will be on KCR, when there is so much attention on him......Ee KCR gaadu yemo "Kallu thaagina Kothi" yevvaraalu chesthe......damage yevadiki mottham telangana janaalaki. KCR vedhava gaa avvadame kaaka, mana telangana andharini vedhavulni chesthunnaadu. Yemi antha Karma. Telangana sentiment gurinchi padhi mandhi manchigaa ardham ayyetatlu chepparaa ante, sentiment addam pettukoni bhuuthulu thittamannaama, sentiment addam pettukoni political gimmicks play cheyyamannaama??

    KCR okkade mana Telangana ki Addu. Ardham ayye vallaaki ee vishayam ardham ayyivuntundhi ee paatiki!

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  104. Ashok,
    Since atleast in the beginning you try to make some sense I give you a concession from my earlier remarks.
    My intution always said you are just like any andhra loggerhead who failed to understand the depth of the cause even though time to time you say you supprt separate telangana.
    I usually hate to focus on just one sentence but this one really highlights what all the whole thing is about.
    You said,
    One team should focus on psychologically winning andhra/seema/greater-hyd people
    So why do you include greater hyderabad here. Earlier it was just hyderabad which your fanatical andhra pseudo elites have included as your closest ally although distantly seggregated form andhra. NOw yu bring it to highest levels of chicanery by sayingtelangana people have to convince gr. hyd people that trhey belong to telangana and not a very distantly located but closely associated andhra.
    Guys do not fall for ashok. He is just a moderate version of BLP.

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  105. Sravan:

    Please don't jump into hasty conclusions and don't look at every fellow friend as "Telangana Traitor".

    Out of my pure concern for "Telangana Movement", I posted the strategy.

    One team should focus on psychologically winning andhra/seema/greater-hyd people
    *If you focus too much on greater hyderabad. Then the entire Telangana sentiment will be reduced to "its all about Hyderabad". Once Telangana state is declared, 99% chances are that Hyd will be its capital. Even home secretary, Pillai already confirmed it unofficially. When Hyd is part of Telangana by default, why focus on Hyderabad.

    In psychological games, you have to be very subtle and not like KCR (shooting from mouth and not from brain). If you include Hyderabad in the ad, how can you explain "Telangana backwardness"?? Hyderabad cuts both ways, if you focus on Hyderabad development , then entire "Telangana" will be projected as 'Well developed'. So while explaining the backwardness of Telangana don't bring Hyderabad into picture. Think about it carefully!

    *If you feel so insecured, have one more team to focus on "Hyderabad Manade" campaign.

    When I read your replies, I feel you are very insecured. I don't know why. Don't be too skeptical, because you will lose genuine telangana friends interested in "Telangana dream". Why do you have to remind readers to be careful about my posts, do you underestimate the intellect of this blog readers, can't they judge by themselves??

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  106. @sravan:

    "malgudi days,
    But have you ever confirmed your notions?"

    Yes, I did state my pro-Telangana determination. Of course, since I should not contradict my own advice about ignoring BLPies, I have not continuously expressed my notions.

    Come on Sravan, I respect my father ((an alumnus of RECW/NITW)), who taught me never do two things:
    1. Never waste time on people who deny the history;
    2. Never waste time on people who impose you to accept their mistake (of denying the history) twice.

    Finally, I am a practitioner of sanathana dharma and hence want civilised Indians (i.e. citizens of the Republic of India or Bharatheeya Ganatantra who know what a citizen means) to at the least not to contradict their own history. I need not repeat the history.

    Can we think in a more sophisticated manner?

    Thanks

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  107. @Idler:
    I have received your GPG key. Thanks!

    I will come to you in a week.

    Thanks

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  108. Friends:

    Latest Political Victim : Hyderabad

    * Huge political plot is being planned behind the scenes to spoil the brand of "Hyderabad" using "Telangana Issue"

    * Telangana issue is being used to scare the investors coming to Hyderabad. And Seemandhra politicians are diverting these investors to Vizag. Vizag is being promoted as alternative to Hyderabad for IT investments in these troubled times.

    * Larger plot is to divert the IT industries to Vizag, manufacturing industries to Nellore and also shift the film industry out of Hyderabad.

    Telangana brothers wake-up and protect our Hyderabad Brand. It will crores of rupees to re-build the Hyderabad brand. All telanganites should protect Hyderabad, otherwise we will be playing into the hands of Seemandhra politicians.

    If violence continues in and around Hyderabad, then by the time Telangana state is formed, Hyderabad will be reduced to level of Vizag. Unfortunately, there is no single leader in the telangana movement , who has the stature to protect the brand of Hyderabad.

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  109. Ashok said,

    " Atleast thank CBN for focussing on Hyderaband development and brand for 9 years and for giving such a powerful beautiful economic capital for Telangana State. People of Telangana should thank CBN for developing Hyderabad. "

    Mr.Ashok,

    Beautiful economic capital ???? My foot !!! U think CBN created a brand image for Hyderabad ??? at what cost...thousands of crores have been borrowed from world bank and AP is in total debt because of this. The money he invested didnt come from AP govt ex-chequer. Also for all the hitech city glory that you talk about there has been greater damage in the form of "Satyam fraud" by these Andhraites. Nobody outside hyderabad beleives anymore in Hyd bcoz everybody thinks we are traitors and have lost faith. In fact there is no proper IT development or R&D going on...it always has been a service industry unlike Bangalore or Pune. There has been strong speculation that u very own 'CBN' joined hands with ramalinga raju in the satyam fraud...can it get any worse ?? Plz stop glorifying !!

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  110. @Jai Telangana:

    Friend, you seem to be confused and your mind is full of hatred towards andhrites.

    Why such a strong reaction to my comment that we telangana people should atleast be happy to have a economic capital like Hyderabad and also give some credit to CBN.

    The very mention of CBN is making your blood boil, but we can't ignore the fact that he was well known for developing IT sector in Hyderabad. Out of your hatred towards Andhras, you can allege lot of things but we can't change the facts. Atleast have the broadmind to give the due credit to CBN for his vision for Hyderabad.

    You are again falling into the same trap developed by KCR-Nazi, blame andhras for all our ills.

    CBN is the villain at any cost, conveniently ignore his 9 yrs focus on Hyderabad development.

    Marri Chenna Reddy, telangana traitor, responsible for 370 student deaths, was sold out to Indira Gandhi. Why blame CBN for everything, and ignoring our own crooked idiots like Chenna Reddy??

    You seem to be a victim of KCR hate propaganda. Andhras are the villains but the Nizam who screwed us is our Hero as mentioned by KCR. No wonder, in british ruling India for so many years using, divide and rule policy and playing with people's sentiments.

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  111. malgudidays
    But have you ever confirmed your notions?"

    I just left it on a funny note.
    I have verry little doubt if any.

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  112. Ashok,
    I do not understand why you doubt everyone here loves KCR/TRS.
    And, you seem to be carrying lot of wrong notions over other things also.
    You never took your word back on greater hyderabad, lest leaving atleast any explanation.
    And CBN no matter what he did, every telanganite regards him now as a backstabbing opportunistic bigot.

    Since you raised this issue, I would tell you that no telanganite has any warm feelings about Nizam.
    But andhraites did consider him a worthy noble.
    Or else how could this idiot after unleashing such a terror on telanganites in 1947 could represent andhra constituencies in Parliament for 10 Years.
    Most andhra people are nothing but hypocrites.

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  113. Sravan:

    My dear friend, all I am trying to tell my telugu friends is to not develop such hatred and extreme views towards each other in the name of sentiment. Do you think developing and sustaining hatred towards each other will solve our problems??

    All telugu people are victims of historical mistakes by our ancestors. Mistakes happenned, now what, its time to rectify, by being Separate or United. Peacefully we need to separate, and not by spitting venom and hatred.

    "Desam ante matti kaadhoyi, desam ante manushulu" -- Aa manushulani dhveshaalatho gaaya parichi, yendhuku aa rashtraalu, yendhuku aa raajyaalu??

    Find ways to get seperated in a peaceful and friendly manner. KCR-hitler style lo veldhaam ante, andharam naasanam ayyipothaamu. Hyderabad will become another "Paalamuru".

    Separation antha easy issue ayyithe, we should have got Telangana in 1969 itself when the movement was at its peak. Even after huge sacrifice of student lives, we failed to get Telangana state in 1969, because of our own telangana traitors. Had Marri Chenna Reddy not compromised with Indira Gandhi, we would have got Telangana State in 1969 itself.

    Achieving Telangana State in 2010 is more complex and sensitive than it was in 1969. So all our telangana friends, should innovate on strategies to follow for delhi lobbying to make Telangana state happen.

    Through violence and hatred, Telangana State will never hapen.

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  114. Sravan:

    I am curious to ask you one question.

    Can you please mention one credible telangana leader, who has the vision and leadership to lead the newly formed "Telangana State" into the future??

    Self-rule is one of the foundations of telangana movement. So who is that leader?? Please don't reply that a new leader will emerge. Strong leaders and visionaries emerge out of strong movements, how come in such a long intense 60 yr old telangana movement, we are still searching for credible leaders to lead us??

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  115. Ashok,
    I think you have been following the comments or this blog very very recebtly. If you look back you will see most of the views and opinions of telanganites have metamorphosed since the beginning of this issue.
    Well If I go on to explain to you, there is nothing like KCR's hate propaganda or hitler's fascist bull shit here. These reactions are natural and simple to deduce.
    Look, even the chidambaram's second statement has nothing to do with this reaction.
    In actuality, if chidambaram's first statement was a kind of guarded yes(even that is kind of exaggeration) then the second statement is nothing but a more guarded yes. So why do you think the reaction of telangana people is more aggressive the second time. This has something to do with the over-reaction of andhrites after first statement which left telanganites to believe that andhraites are just selfish which ofcourse may be partly true. But what has been observed after December 9th is a insult to the wishes of telangana people from their andhra brothers and sisters.
    cont..

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  116. Sravan:

    I am also disappointed at the way, Sonia Gandhi and Chidambaram are playing with lives of telangana people.

    The reason why I hate KCR so much is because of his approach. My comments are not based on this blog but on the behavior of KCR. I have been observing KCR right from TRS formation days. This guy is the most eccentric, weird and foul-mouth politician in the country. I have wrote enough on KCR on this blog. I simply don't trust KCR' leadership.

    If KCR becomes the CM of Telangana, thats the saddest day of my life. KCR took advantage of the leadership vaccum in telangana. Telangana state without a visionary CM will be a failed state. Because the new Telangana state will have lot of challenges, naxal issue, job creation, hyderabad brand, irrigation and water resources etc. This KCR is fit for nothing other than bad mouthing others.

    In the 10 yrs of TRS existence, did KCR ever propose his grand plans to solve the problems of Telangana region??

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  117. contt..
    Here I would bring to your attention a quote from another andhra hypocrite the great JP, which was cited somewhere else in this blog before.
    This JP says:
    "all parties should be equally dissatisfied with the solution"

    And Mr. Chidambaram's statement was actually a little better than this. However Telanganites sought better satisfaction(or milder dissatisfaction) because they considered this only just a beginning. While andhrites went on to unleash bigotry(wasteful and reasonless) as if they do not even want to see slight contentment of telangana wishes.
    So certainly it is logical for telangana people to consider aptly that andhra people are against their wishes purely for selfish reasons(or else a dialogue was clearly possible given that there was a clear opportunity for Assembly resolution and they even do not want this). All during this period telangana people have been urging andhra to stop it and to talk, while your poltiicians have disregarded that by making mockery of telangana agitaions.
    cont...

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  118. cont...
    Amidst this there comes Chidambaram's second statement which is no more than the first statement except one additional guard for political consensus(which actually was anyway necessary to pass assembly resolution)
    Here the andhra people show their ultimate stupidity by celebrating(instead of condemning). This clearly sent signals to other side that the statement is a cover up to stall all initiation because it is obvious that andhra people are not ready for any dialogue which alludes little chance of further consensus.
    So what is left for telangana people is to have their wishes with out any consensus i,e through a Parliamentary Resolution.
    cont...

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  119. Sravan:

    "Hyderabad" is the focus of this entire "United Andhra" movement. Whether we like it or not, Andhra/Seema will not let "Hyderabad" go easily without getting some deals in return. Govt. of India should play a key role, in solving the "Hyderabad" issue amicably.

    We hate andhrites or not, leave all that behind and sit for negotiations. Without talks, this "Hyderabad" issue will not be solved. We need "Telangana with Hyderabad" and Andhra/Seema will ask Govt. of India, the deals they get in return for compromising on Hyderabad.

    Its all about deal making, so give and take will be involved.

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  120. Sravan:

    Chidambaram is the main culprit here, he should have formed a committee to discuss "Hyderabad issue" with Andhra/Seema leaders before that first announcement.

    Chidambaram behaved in a very irresponsible manner, creating doubts in the minds of Andhra/Seema/Telangana people.

    There is a procedure to be followed, when such an important announcement is going to be made. But Chidambaram failed and entire AP is suffering.

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  121. cont...
    If I again summarize the idiotic quote from JP,
    "all parties should be equally dissatisfied with the solution."

    This strategy may have worked well to pacify the situation if the agitaitions on both sides were purely political dramas.
    This is where the Union govt and andhra politicians made a mistake by wrong assessment of telangana issue which they still continue to hold largely.
    But telangana people already disappointed by mere assembly resolution (however mildly jubilant that some initiation has atleast bagun)were further taken aback by the betrayal of andhra political parties that have supported their cause erstwhile.
    Adding fire to the fury andhra students foolishly fell for this same cunning politicians promises, began their reasonless agitation.
    Chidambaram's second statement which is more or less content-free acted as a catalyst to blow up the slowly accumulating discontentment of telangana people to intensify their agitation. Political parties of telangana from the beginning have been only trying to utilize the situation to gain leverage and not actually acting to incite the agitation.
    [I am actually working on this to post it on my own blog and would duly do that soon with chidambaram statements.]

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  122. Hello

    Can any body share economic report or an indepth analysis showing division of the state will better the prospects of the common people.

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  123. Sravan:

    Telugu people are the victims of political games played by Sonia Gandhi.

    Game: Who wins "Hyderabad"
    Teams: Telangana vs United

    Round 1:
    First Chidambaram announcement
    Telangana move: Victory celebrations as if Telangana is already formed and creating huge expectations in telangana people's minds.
    United move: Shock treatment with sudden announcement and devastated as if "Hyderabad" is lost forever from them

    Round 2:
    Second Chidambaram announcement
    United move: Relaxed to know that still they have hopes on "Hyderabad" and all smiling faces
    Telangana move: Already people expectations are high as if Telangana is already formed, now its double shock treatment and humiliation. Feel cheated and as if everything is lost in life all of a sudden.

    In this entire game, the victims are ordinary telugu people.

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  124. Ashok

    I agree with you on the issue of Hyderabad.

    Telangana people are not ready to negotiate.

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  125. Ashok and Blueshift... since you guys are in agreement, you need to sit and 'brain'storm now. Come back after a week. We'll miss your enlightened presence, but I guess we'll live.

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  126. To Anonymous

    Can any body share economic report or an indepth analysis showing division of the state will better the prospects of the common people.

    Sure! If you employ about 12 - 15 IAS officers on a special committee... they will take about 2 yrs and come back with a 1000page report on what you have asked for!

    But, here is a simpler question for you:

    Can you predict the price of an egg in december 2010?


    I dont want to disappoint you... I can give you a report... if you send us a check of Rs. 50 lakhs for the effort. More effort goes into making it easily understandable for people who ask such questions.

    If you can instead be satisfied with this answer:

    Decentralization of power and resources is good for Economic growth of a nation. More states means more cities... and more cities means more urban-middle-class driving the country forward. And this is an un-debatable point among economists.

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  127. Blueshift...

    I am ready to negotiate with you. Hyderabad is a bigger bone of contention to start with. Let us instead begin with... who gets to keep your house, your job and the plot you got in dowry and want 30% increase in its value...

    What your personal property is to you, hyderabad is to the land of Telangana.

    Kahaan kahaan se aa jaate hain! Nawaab-zaade!

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  128. Archana

    dont be so sure.

    Once Hyd is not part of Samikyandra or is gone to Telangana it is not 30 percent gain of plot that u can expect. it is 100 percent loss.

    I am proud and glad that I have stopped 3 projects (so far)(very serious projects with budget in crores) by my family and friends, which will be relocated to either other andhra and rayalaseema towns or Chennai or Banglore.

    Once the Seperation begins, so does fall of Hyderabad. I bet it will happen so soon.

    History suggests that every city needs Hinterland to support its mere existance, forget the growth.

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  129. Dear Anonymous,

    Hyderabad was an 'investment ground' ONLY for you.

    But, for many long term residents and dwellers of the city... and for the people of Telangana, Hyderabad is the 'logili' for inviting and entertaining guests.

    It will remain OUR HYDERABAD... even if the loss is 10%.

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  130. correction:

    Hyderabad will remain OUR HYDERABAD... even if the loss is 100%.

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  131. I am proud and glad that I have stopped 3 projects (so far)(very serious projects with budget in crores) by my family and friends, which will be relocated to either other andhra and rayalaseema towns or Chennai or Banglore.
    Once the Seperation begins, so does fall of Hyderabad. I bet it will happen so soon.
    History suggests that every city needs Hinterland to support its mere existance, forget the growth

    Here comes the most unintelligent analysis from an as usual unitelligent anonymous. He suggests ofcourse that cities like hyderabad thrive on its Hinterland. Whereas he thinks that hyderabad would loose its hinterland with separation of state. He foolishly forgets that Hinterland of hyderabad lies more in telangana and not in a distant Coastal Andhra. In reality Hyderabads income has been used to develop not its hinterland but this far off CA.
    In this course he completely redefines cities and hinterlands.
    He alarms the people of telangana in quite intimidating way that he proudly suspended his crores of investment projects in Hyderabad.
    Do we really need such an imbecile investors? May be Satyam was an example(But ofcurse not as bad as in this case)
    Anonymous you are just a depraved terrified asshole

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  132. Friends:

    From reliable sources, I came to know that, serious damage is happenning to "Hyderabad Brand" and there is a sinister design to divert investments coming into Hyd.

    IT/Pharma investors are being diverted to Vizag.
    Manufacturing industries are being diverted to Nellore.
    Serious discussions are happenning to find alternative locations to shift film industry out of Hyd.

    There is a serious urgency for both groups, Telangana and United, to sit down and solve the "Hyderabad issue". Both groups should compromise to find a solution, in the larger interests of protecting "Hyderabad Brand".

    The more we fight over "Hyderabad", the more we are damaging Hyderabad brand. Hyderabad is an emotive issue for both sides. Destroying "Hyderabad Brand" takes minimum effort, but to build the same brand it took years of hardwork and dedication.

    Please save "Hyderabad Brand".

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  133. Dearest Anonymous,

    Once the Seperation begins, so does fall of Hyderabad. I bet it will happen so soon.

    "Seperation" is spelled Separation. No need of capitalization, so, it will be "separation".

    With such horrible literacy, I bet you don't know how many zeroes follow 1 in a crore.

    I bet it will happen so soon. and it is 100 percent loss.

    Since you are betting on 100% loss, can you, your friends and relatives sell off your properties in Hyderabad for the loss you are betting for?

    A 100% loss means property value will go down to zero. I will gladly take the burden of your assets in Hyd at that price. And you will win your bet!! Its a win-win proposition!!

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  134. Ashok.. weren't you and your brother blueshit supposed to brainstorm on a strategy for a week??? Why are you still here??? You guys need peace and quiet while you brainstorm. Don't let this site distract you from your sacred duty. Now.. go and concentrate!!

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  135. Ashokuu ..
    there is a sinister design to divert investments coming into Hyd.
    You are funny.

    Have you discovered 'fire' yet? Humans have discovered fire tens of thousands years ago.

    This has been going on for a few decades, Andhra has been diverting funds from Hyd (Capital of Telangana) to Coastal Andhra and you discovered this now?

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  136. Idler:

    Its not about discovery. On the ground, lots of jobs are at stake. If no one from either side takes the initiative to stop this mess going out of control, then soon "Hyderabad" will be reduced to a second tier city.

    After the damage is done, then all our folks will have all the time in the world to cry.

    "Damage done to Hyderabad is severe damage done to Telangana State" -- some people who are well settled in life are sadistically enjoying the downfall of Hyd. "Dhvesham tho kallu muusukoni pothe, current/future generations ki jaruguthunnaa damage kanapadadhu".

    Mana thala raatha!!

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  137. Ashoamma


    Mana thala raatha!!


    Very well spoken! Now go home and resign to your fate while we make our destiny.

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  138. Archana:

    What destiny?
    Telangana State with Hyderabad-burning?
    Telangana State with No-Hyderabad?
    Telangana State with No-IT Jobs?
    Telangana State has no coastline (manufacturing jobs), so IT jobs are very crucial for telangana, then how can you enjoy the downfall of Hyd?
    If Hyd falls from glory, then telangana state will be a failed state going to naxalite hands?

    Please don't dream sitting in your cozy sofa, about telangana state while Hyd is burning??

    No wonder, with this thinking only, formation of telangana state got so delayed.

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  139. I hail from Andhra Region but a strong supporter of Telangana state, but after seeing the way this agitation is taking form and the post affects that are going to be there really disturbs me. It looks that we are going to seperate the way India and Paiksthan did and no matter how many efforts that we have put will not fill that gap. this agitation has affected the Andhra Pradesh as a whole where both Andhra and Telangana Regions are going to loose, cos previously Hyderabad used to be a region where every Multinational Industry wanted to have its presence and now gradually who ever had the thoughts are thinking twice and believe me they are not shifting to some other city in Andhra, but to another staate altogether. Secondly we say Telepgana is the largest region with Ten districts, that makes more MLAs, MPs and MLCs then what they have done for the development of Telengana Region, leave aside Hyderabad which is a common property of Andhra Pradesh. We had a Prime Minister Mr. P.V.Narsimha Rao from Karimnagar Distric and what has happened. In a place where Tamil Leaders and Bengali Leaders with marginal Count of Leaders are able to do much more to their state we Telugus with 33MP's couldnt do any thing. So altogether Its the leaders who are not interested in the development irrespective of Andhra or Telengana.
    Andhra and Telengana form a symbiotic relationship where we are interdependent on each other and seperated both will face the consequences which will throw us back by many years. Finally Issue of Hyderabad, the root cause for all this struggle where neighter the andhra migrants nor the telengana people or the Hyderabad muslims are going to leave it and I belive that this will be the one issue where every thing every struggle boils down to and unfortunately every one is beating roung the bush for this and it has taken a lot of time for hyderabad to be identified as one of the equavalent to metro status which will soon go.

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  140. Megha ..
    Andhra and Telengana form a symbiotic relationship where we are interdependent on each other
    They are as symbiotic as a vampire and a human. One sucks the life out of another.

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  141. Idler:

    If you continue to present this entire issue as if it is a partition like India - Pakisthan (good vs evil), filled with so much hatred. You are doing more damage to the telangana cause and the process of creation of telangana will be delayed forever.

    Telangana state founded on hatred towards Andhras will be a step towards a civil war between Telangana and Andhra states. And eventually both telugu states will become failed states.

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  142. Ashok,
    the first expresion of Hatred did not come from telangana side. If you see the past it originated from andhra grounds.
    Where as telanganites always fought for equal rights and against discrimination, andhrites fought for their vested interests.
    Whether it is the Jai andhra movement of 1973 or the recent samaikhyandra movement.
    It is something like british people fighting with crown to keep the imperialistic suppression of Indians.

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  143. Asokamma,

    Nice try.

    Your threats are resounding the four walls and shaking the sofa I sit on. I am so scared now. I feel so threatened... OF THE IGNORANT IDIOTS MAKING DEAFENING NOISES.

    Cut the crap.

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  144. Ashok,
    Telangana State has no coastline (manufacturing jobs), so IT jobs are very crucial for telangana, then how can you enjoy the downfall of Hyd?

    I pity your understanding. we are not asking separate country.
    The coastline and territorial waters are national property not state owned.
    Somehow you seemed to be confused with the things now.

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  145. Sravan:

    I agree that there are lot of wounds in our past. But tell me a practical way to separate in a peaceful and friendly manner.

    With hatred:
    Hyd people will be scared of TG state
    Post-separation, two telugu states will be fighting forever because of these wounds

    Any separation or formation of new states in a hateful atmosphere have resulted in failed states and more problems.

    If Telangana State is formed just because of hatred towards Andhras then we are setting a very dangerous bad example to the Unity of India. More neighbours in India will start fighting for more states and more Raj Thackrey-like politics. Entire Indian internal security and unity will be under threat.

    But if Telangana state is formed in a peaceful and friendly manner like friendly brothers, then the two telugu states post-separation will be symbols of prosperity.

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  146. Archana:

    You seem to be a misguided personality full of hateful thoughts, good only for destruction. May be a naxalite in disguise.

    Better join your naxalite sisters in Chattisgarh and don't spread your useless hatred in telangana and corrupt our telangana people.

    No wonder, all kind of anti-social elements are part of this telangana movement to ruin the innocent telugu people lives.

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  147. Sravan:

    Brother, I was mentioning Coastline in the context of post-separation scenario. Telangana and Andhra states, as good neighbours need to cooperate each other for developing trade. This hatred towards each other is dangerous.

    All the industrial cities are located on coast, and in this context, it is more likely that Telangana cities will be more focused on non-port based industries like IT.

    Anywayz whats the benefit for telangana people in ruining Hyd-IT brand?? I don't understand.

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  148. Vasu,
    To be clear, everyone here understands that harmony should prevail and expect separation should be initiated on a peceful note.
    If you fail to go back and see our opinions and comments before you entered here, i cannot help you.
    Coming to the violence, more buses and railway stations were burnt down in andhra region and more public property was looted and destroyed during the samaikhyandra movement.
    Where as telangana agitation never amounted to such a height and even now most of the protests are in terms of pen-down by employees, resignation from grass root political etities and mass resignation of legislators.
    Except for arson in certain pockets of the region and some damage to celebrity's properties there hasn't been much like the andhra media is projecting. If you think it is more yu can bring up more facts.
    Don't come up again with again KCR bull shit. Only few cadres of hs party will follow his wordings literally.
    Somehow you are trying to create havoc here by stressing that the movement has turned so violent just like the biased andhra media.

    The govt.'s biased stand is crystal clear if we look at the number of cases against telangana agitators(6000) and andhra agitators(170) event though as I said more arson happened during samaikhyandhra agitation.
    So you better start warning your andhra friends to stop resisting than trying to subside the telangana peoples' passions.

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  149. Asok babu,

    Nice try!

    I am very busy at work. May god help you find a job soon.

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  150. Hyderabad..will grow or not based on its ability to get investments (private offcourse) from folks all over India and the world. Naturally telugu speaking ppl from all over will have a home base advantage due to their ability to connect with ppl

    So telugus from all over will gain. So please do not spread haterd..it will work in the short run anyway. Money talk and BS walks. So money will come. Telanga folks will welcome it.

    Others pl dont act as if the world is coming to an end. It is only the creating of a new state not your lives. Dont think that your great politicians are coming to your house and serving you now that you will lose their influence when they go to their own new states.

    Your life will be the same even after the new states are formed. Only the crooked politicos and businessmen who are afraid of losing their power and influences should be worrried...not ordinary folks like us who are fretting about it here, online.

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  151. Archana:

    Which broadminded company has hired such a narrowminded person like you??

    Have you already started spreading your hateful thoughts among your team members affecting your company's work culture?

    You have a job, then thank CBN!!

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  152. Telugus all over the world will have home base advantage in Hyderabad in such a hateful atmosphere among its people??

    If more andhras are attacked in Hyderabad, then all the global investors will welcome such a wonderful conducive violent atmosphere??

    Many people in this blog are attacking the views, calling for protecting Hyd-brand in the interests of telangana state. Where are we heading, when educated folks' minds are corrupted with hatred?? I think many telangana intellectuals are lacking clarity on the valid reasons for the separation, and instead taking shelter under hatred.

    My golden telangana will forever remain like a dream, as long as this movement is used as "politician job fair" and for spreading hatred and lies.

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  153. If you remove your head which is irretrievably stuck in your ass, you will realize that violence is perpetrated by police against students. This is only going to make all of Telangana angry against your Andhra Govt. They will never forget how Andhra govt is treating them vis-a-vis similar incidents in Andha. You should work on stopping police violence first.

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  154. When assholes are leading the telangana movement, what can police do?

    Many assholes are funding these naxalites, what can police do?

    Lot of naxalites are staying in OU hostels, what can police do??

    Now naxalites are the heroes of telangana movement -- Why do you think greyhounds are involved, is it for fun?? Who is Gaddar, Varavara Rao?? Naxalites openly supporting telangana movement??

    Who is naxalite, Who is student on OU campus??

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  155. Ashok,
    Till now you have been mouthing KCR/TRS.
    You come up with Naxalites Now.
    Who are they and how they look like?
    Where do they come from?
    Before beginning your crusade answer my questions?(Nevertheless, you will begin I assume, with similar kind of blabber that no one is interested or atleast relevant)

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  156. Whenever people ask questions - label them naxalites! How convenient for you and your Govt.

    No doubt people are angry.

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  157. Sravan... no more replies to Ashok please. We know where he stands.

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  159. Sravan:

    I am also from Telangana, from Karimnagar. Just because I am from TG, it doesn't mean that I have to stop thinking and say "Jai" for everything.

    Do you know the pain of middle class telangana families coz of these regular strikes?? There is a limit for patience of the people facing difficultis on the ground.

    Do you really care about the careers of our telangana students? Can you guarantee that all the students on OU and KU campuses are only students and no outsiders involved??

    Read the newspapers, maoists like Kishenji, openly supporting telangana movement and encouraging violence as the tool. Do the background check of gaddar, varavara rao, several extreme left-wing people involved in this movement??

    Intelligence agencies are openly saying that naxalites are involved in this movement. Ask Chidambaram what intelligence reports quoted regarding naxalites involvement and possible casualites, had the huge rally (assembly muttadi) happenned on Dec 10th.

    If you don't trust police and government, whats the difference between us and naxalites??

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  160. Idler,
    I mailed you. you can now remove your id from the comments

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  161. Can you send me links to those references you just made?

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  162. Ashok,
    I mean post them here

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  163. Militant struggle for Telangana by Maoists:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/hyderabad/People-should-wage-militant-struggle-for-Telangana-Maoists/491076/H1-Article1-490823.aspx

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  164. Maoists eye Telangana comeback:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/kolkata/Maoists-eye-Telangana-comeback/Article1-491013.aspx

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  165. Maoists ask people to intensify telangana stir

    http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/andhra-pradesh/article71504.ece

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  166. Home Ministry Intelligence on Maoists involvement in Telangana

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_p-chidambaram-spooked-centre-into-splitting-andhra-pradesh_1324194

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  167. Telangana: Goldmine for Maoists
    Article gives proof that Gaddar and Varavara Rao are Maoist idealogues.

    http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/SmallStatesPotentialMaoistStrongholds_pvramana_171209

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  168. It is clear from the articles that maoists are almost outrooted from telangana. Andhra people couldstall any development in telangana hinting the insurgency for about 20 years of last century.
    Maoists lost base support in rural telangana because people got vexed with their destructve strategy which only discriminated them. This indicates that telangana people are more aware of political process now.
    Any of your article shows that people are supporting Maoists. They only indicate maoists lost grass root support in telangana and just they want to use this situation as venue to win back their sympathy.
    Where id the IB report?
    While your article poses it as something already established.
    Do you read the articles completely after the title or just make your own assumptions?

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  169. Telangana movement is a very old movement, and all kinds of people with their different agendas are involved in this movement in the name of Telangana.

    No one knows who is the good one and who is evil in this movement.

    Always innocent students are used as the pawans on the ground. The first ones who will be sacrificed by the people with different agendas are the students. My dear telangana students, watch out for naxalites and maoist idealogues on your campuses and don't ruin your careers using violent approach.

    If not today, getting Telangana tomorrow is for sure. But your lives cannot be replaced. Follow peaceful protests, you will be safe. Think about your hardworking parents.

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  170. Sravan:

    Is people supporting the maoists is not the point here.

    Who is monitoring the involvement of anti-social elements like naxalites on University campuses??

    Is there a system in place to protect the students if the movement turns violent due to these radical element??

    Take Nagam's attack case on OU campus: Prior to this attack incident on Nagam, everyone was of the view that the entire OU campus agitation is done by genuine students only. After the attack only, people got the clear message that anti-social elements are involved.

    Its the job of Police and intelligence agencies to keep an eye on these naxalites involvement. Can you guarantee that no naxalite and maoist idealogues are involved in this vast telangana movement?? Don't you worry about the security of our students from anti-social elements?

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  171. Mr. Ashok,
    Do you remember the times of YSR gov. in 2004 when Maoist movement was at its certain death and this idiot called them for dialogue.
    Incidentally I went to the Warangal Meeting at that time which actually dragged big crowds(and most out of curiosity).
    Maoists were optimistic but they never suceeded to improve thier cader. Instead with in few years they almost lost their existance in many telangana districts. They now have strong hold in Agency areas of coastal andhra.
    Your imaginations are only based on the false agenda created by the andhra dominated media and the govt.

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  173. Archana & Idler

    Hope for the best or worst for your Hyd. It will be all yours may be soon. And you say Long term dwellers (apart from ppl of telagana). You see ppl are fickle minded. They go to place that provide them return for investment. That place of opportunity may not be Hyd. What does Hyd have to offer apart from being capital of AP.
    Carrot stick that you guys expect, Hyd being able to revitalise Telangana won’t really be as u expected.. You guys will still fight for everything u care (esp irrigation), In supreme court and central govt. I dont think these Krishna and Godavari pass conveniently in center of Telangana to start and finish the projects as u wish. They will be legal wars and battles and u will face wins and losses as everyone does. Also for your notice Delta systems will not really face problems as compared to upper stream projects. And who cares irrigation in 21st century. It’s all manufacturing and Service. And Goddess sea will provide as much as goddess earth, and probably more.
    My words are not threats; they are facts from an unintelligent person. Be ready to face these facts

    Any way, best of luck.

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  174. Sravan:

    Anna, I am from Karimnagar. The top most wanted maoists in the country are from Karimnagar. So, I am well aware of the Naxalite ideology and their movement.

    What I suggest you is not to blindly ignore naxalites in this movement?? For our ignorance, our students will pay the price.

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  175. Sravan:

    You have to come out of this narrow mindset, blame all our ills on andhras. What andhra dominated media you are talking about?? All the naxalite related articles I have posted are from non-andhra media like Hindu, Hindustan Times and DNA.

    Annintini manam andhra valla meedha veyyabhatte -- Mana arguments anni comedy avuthunnaayi. Think about it.

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  177. Sravan:

    Anna, in this area of globalization only, Naxals are still dominating in Chattisgarh and Jharkhand. Add Telangana state to it, from Telangana to Jharkhand, it will be the "Future Naxal Hub". So please don't underestimate naxal movement hijacking our telangana movement.

    We should form Telangana State with a strong anti-naxal policy. Otherwise, within years of creation of Telangana state, Telangana will become Chattisgarh. Naxalites have their own vision for Telangana State. Eventhough its a bitter truth, we can't cover-up the threat of naxalites to new Telangana state.

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  178. Sravan:

    Anna, I can feel your passion for telangana. I appreciate it.

    I love telangana and the feeling of self-rule. But at the same time, I have my own reservations and insecurity about the leadership of this telangana movement. All kind of people are involved in this movement, god knows who is what, everyone says "Jai Telangana". Very few people have clarity on this "Jai Telangana" slogan and what it is all about.

    For a moment put aside all this andhra/seema hatred stuff aside. When our telangana people are not allowed or feeling shy to talk about openly and debate the challenges that new telangana state will face, how we will find solutions.

    Why cover-up of naxal problem, then how we will come up with an anti-naxal policy for Telangana state??

    Whats the impact of attacks on andhra people in Hyd on brand-Hyderabad? If we ignore this problem, then how we will come up with solutions to protect Hyd-image??

    Only Say "Jai Telangana" -- Don't ask questions. First get "Telangana State" by parliament bill and then we will analyze the effect of forming a new telangana state. Don't worry about visionary leadership for new state, somehow we will manage. Just listen and don't ask -- otherwise you are anti-telangana.

    If we cannot discuss, negotiate with different people with different views -- how long can "Telangana State" survive in Isolation in this Globalized World??

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  179. Ashok,
    Wait there. I am not concluding as you assumed that there would not be any problems once a new state is formed whether it may be leadership instability, corruption or Terrorist insurgency. And ofcourse we have to concentrate and discuss on these issues too when we are working to get a separate state. But before that is it not important that we come out of bureaucratic and political dominance of andhra regions?
    Problems persist even after a new solution with all the prior troubleshooting is done. Don't you agree? But how do you think that one can concentrate on these when majority of govt focus is on other regions?
    I think you did not correctly understand the concept of separate state or you are in a strong doubt if the separate state is viable?
    Before you react any further I strongly urge you to make your position on the issue firm, no matter if you support separation or not.

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  180. To further continue,
    Suppose tomorrow Trs/KCR or let us assume myself comply with your argument and begin a satyaraha or fasting. Since we have lot of problems I cite that my fasting is not for one demand and pull out a long list of demands most of which may or may not be in the hands of the Union govt or the one which are not implementable on a short term basis.
    For instance, I give a demand list to Maoist not to encourage people to join their organization, to give up arms, to go to jails.
    At the same time I give another list to TRS/KCR to stop the movement immediately because it is turning violent, to stop any provocative words.
    to the govt. i give a separate list of demands that include separate state, stop corruption, equitize the resource distribution, change the policies.
    I also go onto give other political parties a list of demands like not to indulge in partisan politics, opportunism and to be responsible for the people.
    I further give a list of demands to andhra people to stop exploting the telangana water resources, stop resisting separate state movement and not to side with their politicians.

    So what would be the result. I will be simply branded as a Moron to follow your advise.

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  181. Ashok one more important thin,
    Lack of visionary leadership. Why do you try to find leaders from present political parties. Leaders are not a separate class or caste. They emerge from us. Did you ever dream before 1993 that CBN would be our future CM or how many people in AP know him as a Leader.
    Forget the CBN bullshit, how many dreamed PV would be PM and I don't think even he dreamt that until the last day. And here comes the magic of democracy. Our present PM Manmohan Singh. Not until we saw the fruits of reforms few know him as a able financial person except for his name printed on some bank notes.
    Come out of that old nehru idealogy of visionary leadership and looking for family politics.
    who knows tomorrow you will turn out to be the CM of telangana.
    We never know right?

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  182. Sravan:

    /I think you did not correctly understand the concept of separate state or you are in a strong doubt if the separate state is viable?/

    Just because I suggested to you that covering-up issues and challenges is not healthy in democracy. Now you are blaming me saying that I don't have clarity on "Separate State". This is exactly what I mentioned - Just listen and don't ask -- otherwise, "Anti-telangana".

    Clarity on "Separate State" means:

    * Visionary leadership crisis: Outsource the entire telangana movement into the hands of comedians like KCR. Isn't the reason he was rejected in Telangana elections?? If we had clarity on Telangana state, no telanganite would have followed KCR in the first place and made him "cult-like" figure.

    * What if KCR becomes the CM of Telangana?? Are you clear on this, do you support him as CM of Telangana. Telangana self-respect is defeated as long as KCR is at the helm of affairs. How can we trust this joker, when he ended his fast so easily the next day itself??

    * Is there any selection criteria for including the various groups to be involved in Telangana movement?? Is it OK for you when Maoist/pseudo-maoist groups are involved in the movement??

    * Are you sure that this genuine movement is not being converted into a "Political Job Fair"??

    * Is there any leader from Telangana, who can negotiate with both sides to find an amicable solution to our cause??

    * Does telangana people have the freedom to change their stand if they are not convinced by the political drama/exploitation of our sentiment??



    What do you hear from political leaders on TV -- blame all our ills on Andhras ??

    Clarity on "Separate Telangana State" means "blame others"?? After a while, one gets tired of hearing these abuses on others daily.

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  183. Sravan:

    As far as my uderstanding of "Separate State" , Self-rule is one of the founding principles of telangana movement. When there is such a strong emphasis on "Self-rule", people of telangana have every right to question and be apprehensive about KCR-like leaders ruling us.

    I am not asking to show me the CM candidate for telangana. But a right leader emerges at the right opportunity. We are very close to creatin telangana state. Look at the JAC, everyone is fighting for claiming the credit for creation of Telangana. All leaders are competing with KCR to bad mouth andhras.

    Don't you think this is the right time for that leader to emerge, and grab the opportunity, calm the both sides and provide an alternative leadership style to KCR-style?? When there is no alternative to this current leadership, is this all the Self-rule leadership about??

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  184. Do you agree with me that since 60 years, we have a democratic system of electing leaders by telangana people.

    Now we have roughly 120 MLAs, 20 MPs, democratically elected by telangana people. Now from this democractic system, if we cannot find an efficient visionary leader from this lot of 120 MLAs and 20 MPs. Same electoral system and same telangana people will exist in the Telangana state. From where are you going to get that "New Visionary Leader" for Telangana state.

    I love PV, a great PM, though he didn't do anything to TG. Where is the PV-like leader now?? Founding leadership of a new state is very crucial, otherwise it defeats the very purpose of creation.

    Can we accept there is a leadership crisis in Telangana??

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  185. sujai, what is your opinion about successful violent movement of american independence. many people give it as an example for success using violence. i can't argue with them on this.

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  186. Ashok, Are you preparing for CAT Group Discussion? :-)
    You seem to be a confused soul.You dont want anyone to show you a leader, but you ask why there is no leader stepping up now? Did you ever know that PV would become a good PM before he became a PM? Dont tell me we need leaders like CBN :-). We definitely dont need a leader like him.
    About CBN, I dont understand why every one is so much obsessed with him. I have heard people saying CBN is the god of the IT. Every one from AP who ever in IT industry is in debt to CBN. I dont understand how me being in a IT job is CBN's divne manifestation. Guys, Its a global phenomenon. Many Indian cities like Pune, bangalore, Chennai, Noida caught up with the IT boom. He did a good job in tapping the boom. Dont exaggegarate it more than that.'Met Expecations' in corporate terms.

    Coming to naxals, why do you think the people of Telangana will allow them to rule in the new state, when they are not allowing them now?

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  187. Bix,
    but you ask why there is no leader stepping up now? Did you ever know that PV would become a good PM before he became a PM?
    So where is that leader now? Sleeping to wake up until Telangana is separated? Why is that, That leader cannot do anything now? Didn't leaders like Gandhi, Nehru, Patel and all social reformers like Raja Rammohan Roy exist before independence?
    Most of the Elves here that support Santa Sujai just spit out his words. You guys are like those destructive KCR supporters following the leader like sheep. Just because Sujai writes in good English, he is not a great thinker. It is important that he become a good thinker first.

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  188. For many who are away from AP the current state of affairs really bothers us. If the people of Telangana want a separate state, (verified by a referendum) I do not see why they cant be granted their own state.

    My personal belief is smaller states could result in better governance. Hence, both Telangana and Andhra could be in a better position.

    Since private industry employs more people than the state govt, and looks for the best fit candidate, a division of AP into 2 or 3 states shouldnt really be an issue.

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  189. @ Sravan, Archana
    the most smart people,
    telanganites are opportunistic land grabbers no less than Nagarjuna Akkineni
    why cant you ppl compete with fellow telugus? this is my sincere question
    obviouly hoping a junk dumb answer or some sarcastic crap from you.
    dont care what ever it is am leaving this blog dumb jerks

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  190. @Arjun Srimat

    I agree with your assessment of these ppl.

    They are afraid they will never be able to catch up with rest of AP. No matter what. Politicians are inefficiant and useless. So are educated youth. They think easy solution is to divide and rule. If politicians are inefficient now how will they be efficient tomorrow.


    By dividing they think they can keep cash cow (Hyd) for themselves. That is too greedy.

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  191. Ashok,
    Forget the Separate state.
    Show me a visionar leader now for AP now? and India?

    Does it still make any sense to you that unti we have a supposedly visionary leader you shouldn't begin the movement?
    Are you out of wits?

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  192. Arjun srimat,

    why cant you ppl compete with fellow telugus? this is my sincere question

    Who said we cannot compete?

    We sure can, we do, and we survive and win (mostly) DESPITE the setup.

    Our voices are to strengthen the voices of the weak, those who are not able to represent themselves on the internet.

    The idea of "Telanganaites are dumb compared to Andhras" is not our propagation, or something we would ever agree with.

    We are for Social Justice and we believe that Telangana is a necessary first step towards justice. From then on, a lot of educational policies and projects need to be implemented to uplift the region.

    Thanks for a worthy question!

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  193. To Anonymous:

    My 1st response:
    You ask me this question after 10-15 years, I will show you those leaders who brought considerable changes for the betterment of Telangana.You have the history handy to say that they are good leaders. If I take some names now, only response I get from you would be personal abuse on them. British would have said the same of our freedom leaders, but they were fighting for a good cause. For Telangana people, the current politicains are tools to achive their goal. Every one is a leader. Just the way we lined up all these leaders now, we will line them up for development too.
    Would you stop having kids bceause there is high crime rate, pollution, global warming and economic recession in this world?
    My 2nd response:
    you pinhead, there is no need of a visionary or social reformer to see the injustice happening to Telangana. Any commoner in Telangana will explain it to you, but its not gonna get in to your rigid prejudiced head.

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  194. Sravan said:

    "From then on, a lot of educational policies and projects need to be implemented to uplift the region. "

    Instead of waiting for a separate state and reinventing the wheel, why not make demonstrations or put pressure to expedite completion of existing projects such as Pranahita, which would result into immediate help to T farmers.

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  195. Instead of waiting for a separate state and reinventing the wheel, why not make demonstrations or put pressure to expedite completion of existing projects such as Pranahita, which would result into immediate help to T farmers.


    Dear reader,

    The people of Telangana have tried that route... and they gave it 6 decades of patience and trust.... only to realise that "You cannot have different results from the same setup. The game is rigged so that the house (majority) always wins!".

    Telangana is a necessary first step!

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  196. Sravan said:

    "If Telangana State is formed just because of hatred towards Andhras then we are setting a very dangerous bad example to the Unity of India"


    I hope so too, but when I read through some of the arguments put forth by telangana intelligentsia, I can't help but view that way, some times subtle, other times openly shows in their writings.

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  197. Archana said:
    "The people of Telangana have tried that route... and they gave it 6 decades of patience and trust..."


    I'm not talking about the biases of the past, like they say dwelling on the past is a self-defeating exercise. I'm talking about Jalayagnam project which will soon come to fruition. According to the following link

    http://ipr.ap.nic.in/release/Jalayagnam.pdf

    "7,795 crores of allocated 12,886 crores were spent in telangana region"

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  198. I hope so too, but when I read through some of the arguments put forth by telangana intelligentsia, I can't help but view that way, some times subtle, other times openly shows in their writings.
    Don't you thik those are just reciprocative statements against the supremacist filth uttered by some of the andhra commentors?
    Hate is born out of hatred my friend?
    So if andhra people did not begin the compaign of hatred against telangana then we would have separated on friendly terms

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  199. 7,795 crores of allocated 12,886 crores were spent in telangana region
    But to divert waters from telangana to andhra. IF you see the benificiary ayacut then andhra has 36 lakh acres and telangan mere20 lakh acres.
    Where as andhra projects are already aboutto begin, telagana projects have been halted because of high leve bureaucracy. Money is just spent on salaries.

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