Monday, September 06, 2010

Telangana 60: Divorce has happened in our hearts

The current agitation over APPSC (Andhra Pradesh Public Service Commission) exams has once again pitted Telanganas against Seemandhra dominated Government of Andhra Pradesh.  Telangana students, and many leaders, including those from ruling Congress Party wanted to delay these exams so that they consider the demand from Telanganas to include 42% reservation in these posts.  Telanganas allege discrimination towards them in final selection of the candidates. There are stories of a Telangana candidate getting 655 marks in the written exam but only 21 in the interview while a Seemandhra candidate getting 590 in the written exam gets 88 marks in interview.  The Seemandhra person gets in while Telangana person doesn’t.   Can a person with very high score in written exams get very low score in interviews?  Yes it can happen.  Can we deduce discrimination from such isolated incident?  Not really.  But when it happens consistently, which the Telanganas allege, there is a need to look into the matter.  Telangana people believe there is discrimination in APPSC exams and seek 42% quota to represent their population in the state citing Gentlemen’s Agreement. 

The Chairman of APPSC, Mr. Venkatarami Reddy, a Seemandhra person, insisted on holding these exams on time without paying heed to the protests from whole of Telangana.  He was backed by Chief Minister Rosaiah, another Seemandhra loyalist.  He was supported by most of Seemandhra politicians.  Even the people of Seemandhra came out to stage dharnas to impress upon this Chairman to go ahead and hold these exams as scheduled overriding the wishes of Telangana people.   These exams were postponed twice already before but this time around the authorities insisted on holding them on the date much to the dismay of Telangana people, politicians, students and the leaders.

It became a challenge.  Telanganas wanted to hold off the exams while Seemandhras wanted to coerce Telangana into submission with armed forces to proceed with their agenda no matter what 42% of the population thinks, because they ride the majority of 58%.   One can easily imagine how the sixty years marriage has been.  One party dictated terms with impunity while the other party succumbed each and every time.

On Sunday, 5 September 2010, the showdown began between Telanganas and the Seemandhra led government of Andhra Pradesh.  The ruling party MPs of Telangana marched towards the examination centers and were instantly arrested.  The students went into battle with the police in Osmania University campus.  Some of these agitators and protestors barged into few examination halls and disrupted the exams. The agitations spread across whole of Telangana.  The police forces stood ground and arrested hundreds.  Only 35% of Telangana aspirants showed up, while in Hyderabad it was 45% turnout.  In Seemandhra, the examinations went peacefully with 65% turnout clearly indicating that these exams failed in Telangana.  

It is clear to most Telanganas that this government does not represent them. This incident is another affirmation of arrogance of Seemandhras who wanted to prove a point that they can snub Telangana agitation with brute force of state police.   For many years now, Telanganas have been losing trust in the farcical marriage called Andhra Pradesh.  It would like to get a divorce but the state doesn’t allow it.  Because the Government of India, proving to the whole world that it is quite idiotic when it comes to dealing with certain aspects of constitutional democracy, dictates that these two parties should vote to decide the separation.  Unfortunately for Telangana, the Andhra Pradesh government is controlled by Seemandhra who have 6 votes while Telangana has only 4 votes.  Every time the government of Andhra Pradesh votes Telangana loses out.

Telangana cites ‘irreconcilable differences’ and ‘lack of trust’ to break this marriage.  But like the Indian man who doesn’t let his wife leave, forcing her, beating her, and threatening to kill her and her family if necessary, Seemandhra holds onto Telangana at gunpoint pressing them to the ground.  

The divorce has happened in the minds of the people.  We are waiting for the legal separation.

[Source for the image: Andhra Jyothi]

99 comments:

  1. Do you have a transcript of the interview proceedings.I got selected in 90s as Group 1 officer in Rural Development in Ranga Reddy,I got bad grade since I was unable to answer the interview well though I did well in written section and prelims ( I'ven't joined the post).My Andhra counterparts were able to do interview well .The marks and my post reflected that.I don't have regrets.Some people are good at answering the interviews some are good at writing.If you have a transcript of their interview then I'm on your side.

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  2. I do not think any such discrimination happened against Telengana people. The percentage of marks are well defined in each and every session, including interview.
    If any one will see the ranks of USPC selected candidates from last five to ten years, I hope it will give a very good insight how a interview will make a significant contribution in getting top ranks. And more importantly, the no.of people selected from AP are more than that of any state in India in any exam,particularly in civils and top tire institutes like IITs and IISc. What we can answer to this Question. Fortunately,there is no such region wise reservation provision in Indian Constitution.

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  3. To be honest, I don't have data, nor do I have evidence. I don't even know if discrimination happened in APPSC or not. But looking at other areas where evidence is available, the allegation of Telanganas seems credible, but that is not a concrete proof.

    I think the bigger picture here is if Telanganas trust Seemandhras any longer. We have reached as situation where the trust is no longer there. And the actions of arrogance to go ahead with exams in spite of major protests worsens the situation.

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  4. Since you have take time to write 60 essays supporting Telangana movement, I think you have some time to spare to read this blog post: https://anilroyal.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BE-%E0%B0%89%E0%B0%A6%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%AE%E0%B0%82/

    This has all the answers to what you have said. If you can logically answer them in you next post or something, then it would be a constructive way of supporting for a Telangana rather than spreading words of hatred.

    I was influenced by your earlier posts and supported a separate Telangana. But that blog convinced me that a new state is not a solution and the arguments that you gave are misled by twisted half-truths. I hope that you will give a logical explanation to at least some questions in that blog...

    Regards,
    Chytu.

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  5. Chytu:

    I downloaded your PDF and started reading it. Translating it for other readers here:

    First lie: 7 districts of Telangana are backward while 1 district of Rayalaseema is backward. Only 3 districts from Coastal Andhra are backward.

    This is the truth: Backward districts of Telangana are Adilabad, Warangal, Nalgonda and Mahbubnagar, only 4 districts.

    Please go through this link on THE HINDU. This is from 10 August 2010.

    http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/10/stories/2010081062330900.htm

    All the districts of Telangana, barring Hyderabad, and three Rayalaseema districts, except Kurnool, have been included in the backward districts' list by the Centre. Vizianagaram is the lone district from Coastal Andhra to figure in the list.

    Chytu:

    If the first assertion of yours itself is false, I am not sure if I should proceed with the rest.

    Thanks.

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  6. Anonymous:

    Telangana people are currently some of the most politically aware people on the planet. Thanks to copious amounts of books, pamphlets, and CDs published, Telangana people are digging up information, using RTI act to do their research and are continuously publishing information while its detractors are relying on gossip, lies, hearsay, and myths to build their stories.

    You write:
    Fortunately, there is no such region wise reservation provision in Indian Constitution.

    You are grossly wrong on this statement. Gentlemen’s Agreement clearly introduced safeguards and region-wise provisions for Telangana. In addition, Article 371 protected the interests of Telangana.

    This is from P Chidambaram’s statement on Telangana [emphasis mine]:
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article75815.ece

    You are all aware of the long history behind the demand for a separate State of Telangana. It is sufficient to refer to the report of the States Reorganisation Commission; the Gentlemen’s Agreement of 1956 and the amendment of Article 371(1) of the Constitution; the Six Point Formula of 1973; and the introduction of Article 371D in the Constitution. More recently, in the elections to the State Assembly of Andhra Pradesh held in May, 2009, the political parties outlined their positions in their respective election manifestos. All this is in the public domain.

    So you may want to know what Article 371 (1) was:
    http://india.gov.in/govt/documents/amendment/amend32.htm

    When the State of Andhra Pradesh was formed in 1956, certain safeguards were envisaged for the Telangana area in the matter of development and also in the matter of employment opportunities and educational facilities for the residents of that area. The provisions of clause (1) of article 371 of the Constitution were intended to give effect to certain features of these safeguards. The Public Employment (Requirement as to Residence) Act, 1957, was enacted inter alia to provide for employment opportunities for residents of Telangana area.

    After 1969, when these special provisions were made illegal, Article 371(D) was introduced in 1973:
    http://india.gov.in/govt/documents/amendment/amend32.htm

    371D. Special provisions with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh.-(1) The President may by order made with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh provide, having regard to the requirements of the State as a whole, for equitable opportunities and facilities for the people belonging to different parts of the State, in the matter of public employment and in the matter of education, and different provisions may be made for various parts of the State.

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  7. Sujai,
    Between Mayavati and Narendra Modi, whom will you prefer as PM?

    Modi is communal , but he is honest and decisive. Mayavati is corrupt and incompetent but she is secular(she has the backing of Dalits+Muslims+Brahmins).

    BTW, what's your take on the rise of Mayavati?

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  8. are mental sujai...ila antunnadi nuvvu telangana support chestunnavani kaadu....prathi chinna vishayaani reson gaa choopistunnaduku....
    i am talking about ur posts on telugu movies and Group1 Exams and bhasha lo yaasa....
    seperate telangaana ki reason ga choopinchadaaniki ee pi three posts ni kooda use chesaavante.. ninnu KCR analo,Terrarist analo kooda ardham kavatledu....
    write Proper posts which supports telangana....
    em jariginaa andhra valla valle ane picchi mantram japinchaku...
    IIT lo kooda telangana vaata entho telchamanu... GRE TOFEL lo kooda telangana vata telchamau...

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  9. http://telugu.greatandhra.com/mbs/sep/group_part1.php

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  10. hi sujal jus go through this

    http://telugu.greatandhra.com/mbs/sep/group_part1.php

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  11. why r u deleting my comments?

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  12. haha

    my comments about BRGF districts automatically getting deleted .

    Wonder why ? Is it because it weakens the case of Telangana

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  13. Sujai ,

    You yourself said that statistics have to be seen in a context but you are willing to beat drum regarding BRGF funds.

    Truth about BRGF . It has more details than half truths spread about in media.

    This BRGF was called RSVY(Rashtriya sam vikas yojana), before 2007.

    Now who is eligible for RSVY?
    The identification of backward
    districts within a State has been made on the basis of an index of backwardness
    comprising three parameters with equal weights to each: (i) value of output per
    agricultural worker; (ii) agriculture wage rate; and (iii) percentage of SC/ST
    population of the districts.

    The number of T districts based upoin this criteria are only 3.
    1. Adilabad.
    2. Warangal
    3. Mehboobnagar.

    Please check Annex-1 of this link
    http://pbplanning.gov.in/pdf/rsvy.pdf
    Chittor and Vizayanagaram are other two in AP falling in this category.
    Now , in addition to this, they added several districts affected by Left Wing Extremism, in RSVY (or BRGF).
    List of T districts which are affected by left wing extremism in T according to them are,
    1.Karimnagar
    2.Khammam
    3.Medak
    4. Nalgonda
    5.Nizamabad.

    Please check Annex-2 of above link, page 23
    SO only 3 in T and 2 in rest of AP are backward, not entire T.

    So , Sujai , will you now edit your posts and declare that only 3 districts in TG are backward while 5 districts are naxal affected

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  14. 'All the districts of Telangana, barring Hyderabad, and three Rayalaseema districts, except Kurnool, have been included in the backward districts' list by the Centre. Vizianagaram is the lone district from Coastal Andhra to figure in the list'.

    @Sujai - are you saying Medak, Rangareddy, Karimnagar and Khammam districts are backward too? And Prakasam and Srikakulam are developed? I wonder who created that report.

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  15. The BGRF did not define districts as backward.

    Please read the original report.
    Sujai is getting desperate now.

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  16. "371D. Special provisions with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh.-(1) The President may by order made with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh provide, having regard to the requirements of the State as a whole, for equitable opportunities and facilities for the people belonging to different parts ....."

    Please read the whole order Sujai....certain categories of posts were not included - such as Group I posts.

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  17. POK:

    Please read the comment to which I answered this, POK. The commented asserted that NO special provisions and reservations are in place for regions within the state.

    Please read the whole order Sujai....certain categories of posts were not included - such as Group I posts.

    POK, does this mean that Andhras are ready to accept that Telanganas have special provisions? Do you believe a Gentlemen’s Agreement exists? Do you accept Article 371 gives special status to Telangana?

    Without answering this, it will be futile to go into Group I posts discussion.

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  18. POK:

    The BGRF did not define districts as backward.

    Please read the original report.
    Sujai is getting desperate now.


    What does BGRF stand for?

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  19. Nameless:
    There is something wrong with the text in your comment.

    I tried to copy/paste the comment you sent (because I receive an e-mail) and I experience the same - the comment does not get posted.

    May be, you need to change the text a bit.

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  20. [Part I, posted on behalf of Nameless]

    Sujai ,

    You yourself said that statistics have to be seen in a context but you are willing to beat drum regarding BRGF funds.

    Truth about BRGF . It has more details than half truths spread about in media.

    This BRGF was called RSVY(Rashtriya sam vikas yojana), before 2007.

    Now who is eligible for RSVY?
    The identification of backward
    districts within a State has been made on the basis of an index of backwardness
    comprising three parameters with equal weights to each: (i) value of output per
    agricultural worker; (ii) agriculture wage rate; and (iii) percentage of SC/ST
    population of the districts.

    Nameless

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  21. [Part II, posted on behalf of Nameless]
    The number of T districts based upoin this criteria are only 3.
    1. Adilabad.
    2. Warangal
    3. Mehboobnagar.

    Please check Annex-1 of this link
    http://pbplanning.gov.in/pdf/rsvy.pdf

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  22. [Part III, posted on behalf of Nameless]

    Chittor and Vizayanagaram are other two in AP falling in this category.
    Now , in addition to this, they added several districts affected by Left Wing Extremism, in RSVY (or BRGF).
    List of T districts which are affected by left wing extremism in T according to them are,
    1.Karimnagar
    2.Khammam
    3.Medak
    4. Nalgonda
    5.Nizamabad.

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  23. [Part IV, posted on behalf of Nameless]

    Please check Annex-2 of above link, page 23
    SO only 3 in T and 2 in rest of AP are backward, not entire T.

    So , Sujai , will you now edit your posts and declare that only 3 districts in TG are backward while 5 districts are naxal affected

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  24. Nameless:

    We can go into details and statistics and break our heads on it. There is an opinion that is becoming a mainstream agreement that left wing extremism is related to backwardness, and that is being captured in this report. Otherwise, there is no reason to include those districts under BGRF. There is a strong correlation between backwardness and left wing extremism and that is being recognized by the Center, though it has been a very late response.

    So, you could look at the nitty-gritty details and wrack your brains on semantics. I would have appreciated if we had instead talked about why Gentlemen’s Agreement was flouted, why Article 371 was discarded, why Telangana did not get their share of water, why GO 610 remains unimplemented. Why don’t we concentrate on big things to debate, instead of picking up arcane reports and their semantics?

    I didn’t start the debate on backwardness of Telangana districts based on BGRF. Some other commenter did it (Chytu). He has a blog of his. You can debate the semantics there and I am quite sure he would be very keen on responding to them.

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  25. Chytu and nameless,
    You could get more details on the topic you are discussing in the comments made in earlier posts. If you guys could spend lots of time in writing blogs and researching, you sure do have some time to go back and look at the posts in this same blog. We discussed and debated that to the heck of it.
    You will find all your answers.
    Good luck

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  26. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_agreement_of_Andhra_Pradesh_%281956%29

    Gentleman's agreement was to be implemented only for a period of 5 years based on the backwardness of T-districts at that time. The above link (Domicile rules section) says that too...

    So, Telangana does NOT have a special status now

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  27. Roughly translating the first paragraph from that blog from an Andhra site:
    http://telugu.greatandhra.com/mbs/sep/group_part1.php

    Group 1 examinations are over. The ruling Congress Party is divided into regional groups, one supporting the exams, another opposing it. Situation in TDP which is becoming a Carbon Copy of Congress party is the same. I am happy that the government has somehow conducted these exams. When we were doubting these days if a government actually exists or not, it is really quite impressive to see the government stand on a issue with resoluteness, whether it is for good or bad. I am a bit hesitant to give credit for this determination to Rosaiah. He would have slipped long ago. I am beginning to believe that it is Governor’s resoluteness.

    While Andhras are happy with the recent police enforcement, Telanganas are not. It is very clear that we no longer feel this government represents us. Isn’t that a breakdown of democracy if 3.5 Crore people do not feel that the government that rules them does not represent them?

    When British ruled India, the entire British administration in India represented a small population of Great Britain ruling over a population many times its size. The only way we could get free of that government is to bring self-rule. That’s what Telanganas are trying to do. India became free in 1947. Telangana is still under subjugation even in 2010. Will Telangana see its freedom in 2011? Let’s see. I am patient. So is Telangana.

    Andhras can continue to congratulate themselves for what happened on 5 September 2010. Telanganas will mourn it as another episode where we were broken, made to kneel, lick the ground by the Seemandhras. It is not hard to understand how our last sixty years have been.

    How long will you take sadistic pleasure each time we are forced to kneel down before you? How long will you celebrate each time you score a victory over our humiliating defeat? Don't you realize that each time you do that to us, Telangana gets even more determined to overthrow your government? Why do you think your exit will be smooth when there are so many disgruntled people around you?

    How long will you glee and gloat over the fact that you control this government? Why do you think the people of Telangana will react amicably to you? Why do you think there will be no repercussions when you enjoy our decimation again and again? Why do you think there will trust or bonhomie when you continue to laugh at each of our downfalls?

    How you conduct now will determine our futures as neighbors.

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  28. Jack Roberts:

    Between Mayavati and Narendra Modi, whom will you prefer as PM?

    If the choice is to be made only between the above two, I will choose Mayawati over Narendra Modi. It is quite OK to have an incompetent leader who is secular than a competent leader who is fundamentalist. That’s because we can always change that incompetent leader (there’s always hope) and still retain the basic fabric of our country. However, if you have a fundamentalist as your PM there’s a danger that some of us will lose our fundamental rights, some of us will be persecuted and targeted for our identity and that would bring so much affect the system so much that it will take a catharsis to restore the system.

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  29. 'Telanganas will mourn it as another episode where we were broken, made to kneel, lick the ground by the Seemandhras.'

    @sujay - Please ask the lakhs of group1 aspirants from telangana districts if they feel the same. They have been waiting for years for this moment. They wouldn't have appeared for the exams if they shared your feelings. Very few boycotted the exam.

    You are entitled to your opinion and you can freely express it. But plese don't falsely portray it as 3.5cr telangana people opinion.

    Even if the 42% quota is given, I'm sure most of the jobs in this quota will go to candidates from Hyd for obvious reasons. Wouldn't the candidates from other districts feel discriminated then? What if districts start asking for quotas? Please don't say this is hypothetical. Knowing our politicians, these things keep happening. Where is the end?

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  30. anon123:

    Very few boycotted the exam.

    Define very few.

    They wouldn't have appeared for the exams if they shared your feelings.

    People do appear for the exams because it concerns their livelihood. Thousands of Indians stood in line to get recruited by British police and British Armed forces though most of India was fighting against British to get Independence. You need to get a perspective on these things to make sense in your arguments.

    Even if the 42% quota is given, I'm sure most of the jobs in this quota will go to candidates from Hyd for obvious reasons. Wouldn't the candidates from other districts feel discriminated then? What if districts start asking for quotas?

    We will deal with it when Telangana gets formed. What is so wrong to reserve quotas for backward districts within Telangana? I don’t see anything wrong with that.

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  31. The issue here is the son/daughter should actually blame his/her father/parents (and perhaps even his grand parents) for his/her backwardness. But conveniently he/she wants to blame the professors/lecturers/neighbors and anyone and everyone.

    It is easy to talk this nonsense of our hearts have separated and crap like that.

    Same crap like that is a question on democracy of 4 vs 6 votes. So if there are just 3 people then it mean 2 can discriminate against ONE. What nonsense.

    So this means that if there are 10 people left on earth democracy is not the right principle. So entire democratic philosophy goes wrong.

    This is just a agitation that is contrived. And taken up by people who want power. Or some people who think they can benefit without sweat.

    The telangana agitation is all about something like "I sold my house to you" but after 20 years I will say "how is it yours?" because my grandfathers owned it for 100 years.

    Sheer opportunism this agitation and claim is all about.

    No point in getting into a debate.

    If there are 100 fools who say something and 100 more who believe it so what?

    Has anyone reading this ever fired an employee being an entrepreneur or HR, THEN you will find all shades of justifications in this telangana agitation. The guy who is being fired will not accept his/her shortcomings. They will keep saying its injustice. Can't help it.

    Life's hard. You better shine.

    Go on. And like naipaul says "take it on your chin" or "it doesnt matter if your arse hurts". Its not a global problem and solves nothing: it just means you are hurt.

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  32. @sujai

    We will deal with it when Telangana gets formed.

    That is escapism. So you don't have an answer.

    What is so wrong to reserve quotas for backward districts within Telangana? I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    Why just APPSC then? Why not UPSC, IIT-JEE, CAT, GATE etc?

    If you cannot answer without reference to freedom struggle, please don't even bother to respond.

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  33. hi,
    how 42% came. as per 2001 census
    population of rayalaseema 13460240, coastal andhra 31570700, and telanagana is 30696520 so it comes to 17.8, 41.7, 40.5 %. even you include hyderabad population which is good share of coastal andhra and rayalaseema population it came to only 40.5% how you claim that they need 42 % is legitimate.
    and to decrease the attendance separatists dammaged around 51 buses. and started dharnas, road blocking still you can see a good number attended. in dist like warangal it touched 50.

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  34. In Telengana there is a stereotype that andhrites are hardworking and intelligent, but they are proving to be morons, samykandhra idiots take the words of lgpati as a gospel and repeat them like trained parrots or goats sayin "meyeeh.."
    They make absurd argumentrs and try to prove their skewed logic by using more absurd claims.
    Example: 1.(They say "no favortism can be shown while correcting papers because the papers are coded" u dont need to be a linguistic expert or a code breaker to identify the writin style as telengana even a 7th class person can identify it).

    2. They say "if u get gud marks in written apsc there is no gaurantee that u shud get gud mrks in intrvw"
    So it must be a coincidence that while telengana students are toppers in written they are the least in intrws while seemandhra are opposite,how strange but we shud accept the andhra words however dumb it may sound.

    3. They say saymkyanhdhra moment is a patriotic moment at the same time equating their fellow citizens to pakstani speratists.How patriotic.

    4.They say we should remain as "One" society , at the same time ridiculing and showing open hostility to the people of telengana. There were some people in telengana who didnt believe KCR and thought problems could be worked out in a united state.U people smashed their hopes.(and saymkhandhra movement itself in telengana).

    4. They say telengana people are natural "idiots" and that andhra are genius as they get all top ranks in emacet so we shudnt expect seats in apsc. Even i thought so.
    But why telengana people are toppers in "written" apsc exam.

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  35. "If you cannot answer without reference to freedom struggle, please don't even bother to respond."
    Giggles......True everything for him revolves around freedom stuggle.He cannot write anything without that.
    Its Sujai's version of Abbott and Costello routine

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  36. anon123, hyderabadi, et al:

    If you cannot answer without reference to freedom struggle, please don't even bother to respond.
    True everything for him revolves around freedom stuggle.

    People’s movement for freedom, independence, liberation, self-rule derive inspiration other movements that preceded them. It is healthy idea to draw parallels, give analogies, and cite examples from those movements which are most familiar with. I use Indian Independence Movement to derive analogies, parallel and examples assuming that most Indian audiences are either familiar with this movement the most or because they can associate with this movement more.

    For example, during US Independence Movement many leaders derived inspiration from people’s revolutions in England, often citing Bill of Rights, and other historical events that preceded them. Thomas Paine deriving most of his arguments from what happened in England. Why? Because US Colonies were familiar with England and its histories and therefore it made sense to use those examples.

    Telangana Movement happens to be an unfinished business from the time of our Independence, and at its roots is the word freedom. Therefore, it makes all the more sense to cite Indian Independence Movement in this context. Moreover, Telangana Movement has many similarities to Indian Independence Movement because both tried to overthrow governments that didn’t represent the people. British Empire nominated a government that was not elected by Indians, and here in Telangana’s case government gets elected by a certain majority to rule over a certain minority which is clearly unrepresentative of that minority. The whole reason why states are created is to take care of that problem within Indian democracy.

    British thought Indian leaders were villains and so do Andhras think of Telangana leaders as villains. If you read the news articles and Churchill’s characterization of Indian leaders you will find it many similarities with your own opinions of our leaders. And therefore, when you ridicule the leaders of Telangana I do not get perturbed because if you see history you will realize that masters tend to characterize the liberators as villains, ridicule them, punch holes in their credibility, etc.

    I wrote the above not to justify my examples from India’s freedom struggles. I wrote the above hoping I will be able to talk to a small portion of your brain which I believe is still capable of reason, however nonsensical your comments may sound. It’s a shot in the dark. I will know if I have succeeded or not from your next reply.

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  37. No one part Telangana or Rayalaseema or Andhra has a significant majority over others.

    I never had a feeling that any of the Andhra/Telangana leaders systematically discriminated rayalaseema. In 1994 people in rayalaseema voted for NTR instead of Kotla.

    I do not have any issues with the formation of separate telangana state if majority of telangana people want it. It is only the central govt. which can create this new state and this can be done irrespective of opinion of andhra/rayalaseema people. It was same case when Andhra split from TamilNadu.

    Characterizing the entire andhra/rayalaseema people as thieves/crooks will only increase the emotions and reduce the possibility of a rational debate.

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  38. democracy:

    No one part Telangana or Rayalaseema or Andhra has a significant majority over others.

    True. But Andhra+Rayalaseema has a majority over Telangana.

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  39. Its not appropriate for the Govt to conduct these exams in the middle of telangana agitation. Especially when telanganites don't trust the APPSC governing body.

    And how come this Govt and so many Andhrites support the move. Sorry, for a second, I forgot that the majority of this Govt is filled with andhrites. So its no brainer to understand this support.

    Some of you are scared to death of Sujai analogies. I am 100% sure that you guys are getting convinced by his examples. Thats why you guys are begging him to stop comparing with our freedom fight. I pity you. If you have any strong point from our freedom fight to defend yourself then put it here.

    I can help you here to some extent.But you have to understand something, getting convinced for a right cause and agreeing to a rational point is more matured act. I know some of you have it, but this for those who are confused.

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  40. "Some of you are scared to death of Sujai analogies. I am 100% sure that you guys are getting convinced by his examples. Thats why you guys are begging him to stop comparing with our freedom fight. I pity you. If you have any strong point from our freedom fight to defend yourself then put it here."
    My dear Orugallu its not getting scared by Sujai's abhorrent and meaningless comparisons,it makes eyes and mind tired without any reason. Does he know what it means to fight a Freedom Struggle. Can he really empathize with the Independence movement ? A fight for separate state can never be equated to freedom struggle. Its nothing but undermining the great souls who fought against a mighty empire. Freedom struggle never happens when you fight your own people. Andhrarites,Madrasis fought against the British but never against the fellow Indians.The never objected to North Indians becoming PM but in case of Telangana the people want to put up a fight to scare away their own countrymen ,calling them looters,thieves and what not.That kind of freedom as your friend Sujai says cannot be achieved by being in India. If Sujai is so desperate to be free he can lead a movement for Telangana to be a free nation.
    Even if you achieve Telangana you cannot really stop others from settling and robbing you.Will you stop the outsiders from entering your state? But the purpose of Freedom struggle was to send away the Britishers out of the country.
    The State in the Indian settings is not a sovereign entity like in the US,it also doesn't entitle to do anything according to the whims and fancies of a few leaders and JAC members.The quality of life would be the same since you'll be still in India.
    Another aspect is that the history says that Telanganites really ,save for a few thousand peasants who where influenced by Communist idealogy induced by few Andhra leaders,never fought for independence either from British or the Nizam.
    My forefathers participated in the freedom struggle therefore it pains me when somebody holding trivial and insular worldviews tries to misappropriate it to drive some illogical and irrelevant points just for sake of argument.My sincere appeal to you all is not to drag the freedom struggle and trivialize it.

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  41. This is a mental blog headed by a mental leader.Stop visiting here or else you will start believing his half baked stories.

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  42. @hyderabadi

    Manam Chesthe Srungaram, pakkanodu chesthe vyabhicharam ata.. In English "if I do its First night, if you do its rape". I don't have to say anything less or more than this for your conclusions.

    Telangana movement is not against any people, I don'nt have to repeat everything again what Sujai already said in his blog. Do you wanna see Gandhiji again in this telangana movement, sorry dude telanganites are enough to achieve this.

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  43. "Telangana movement is not against any people, I don'nt have to repeat everything again what Sujai already said in his blog. Do you wanna see Gandhiji again in this telangana movement, sorry dude telanganites are enough to achieve this."

    The very basis of Telangana movement is hatred towards Andhra and Seema people.This is sadly true.It that were not the case Telangana would have formed long ago. As long as Telanganites harbour label Andhraites as cheaters,looters,robbers and thieves Telangana would not be a reality.That is for sure. If you read Sujai's blog it smacks of Andhra hatred and you say whatever you said in Telugu.That is valid in your won case. Telanganites say Andhra have a low opinion of them but Telanganites have feeling of hatred, abhorrence and dislike towards their own Telugu people.The idea is if Andhra people are driven
    all the jobs are theirs.
    You don't have a right to invoke Gandhi,he didn't fight for you and he doesn't belong to you just as you guys say there is no relation of Telangana to Andhra leaders,poets. Gandhi belonged to British India,he died long before Hyderabad achieved its independence.
    Go ahead let Telanganaites resort to whatever they feel is appropriate,it would scare anybody .

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  44. Orugallu,
    'Manam Chesthe Srungaram, pakkanodu chesthe vyabhicharam ata.. In English "if I do its First night, if you do its rape". I don't have to say anything less or more than this for your conclusions.'

    'Taanu patukunna kundelu ku moode kaallu' ani guddi gaa moorkham ga vaadinchina kastamegaa...

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  45. " Isunta rammante..illantha naadey annadu"...This clearly fixes to the seemandhra settlers....

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  46. sachinada,ne bonda nee bole,state is for convenience and nothing else.divorce nee bonda ani pichi koothalu kuyyaku

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  48. @Hyderabadi

    "Freedom struggle never happens when you fight your own people.

    How do you define 'own people'?

    Andhrarites,Madrasis fought against the British but never against the fellow Indians.

    But Andhra@ fought against Madrasis some time back, the same way we are fighting against Andhra@ right now.


    never objected to North Indians becoming PM

    I think north PMs never marginalized south, but Andhra@ did marginalized Telangana.


    Sujai is so desperate to be free he can lead a movement for Telangana to be a free nation.

    Are you deaf or what? we are fighting for a saperate state but not for saperate country, if you still understand, then read your history books to see what your Potti did for you against Madras.

    Even if you achieve Telangana you cannot really stop others from settling and robbing you.Will you stop the outsiders from entering your state? But the purpose of Freedom struggle was to send away the Britishers out of the country.


    Bingo, got you. with your logic, even though we sent the british away , there are chances that they will come back,.... so do you accept the flaw in your logic?

    Our purpose is to send the Andhra@ away from ruling Telangana, but not to send them phicically away.

    ,never fought for independence either from British or the Nizam.
    please stop there, soon you may say that even gandhi, nehru didnt fought for freedom.

    My forefathers participated in the freedom struggle therefore it pains me when somebody holding trivial and insular worldviews tries to misappropriate it to drive some illogical and irrelevant points just for sake of argument

    ditto, my great grand father and his friends fought against Nizam, and it pains me when foolish andhra@ claim that they only fought with Nizam for us while we are sitting back and watching the show. Morans.

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  49. The very basis of Telangana movement is hatred towards Andhra and Seema people.

    This can counter this with my simple statement.

    The very basis of Samyakadra movement is to loot the Telangana resources, jobs and water till it is completely depleted.

    How is that ..?

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  50. >>Telanganites say Andhra have a low opinion of them but Telanganites have feeling of hatred, abhorrence and dislike towards their own Telugu people.

    This could be true for some people, because you guys supported separated Telangana till Dec9th and took U turn just after that day, I dont know what happened to you in that single night, we assume it is your betrayal. So we have right to hate you after that day.

    Its funny that you wants us to think you are our own Telugu, but same time you call your own Telugu(telangan) people saying bastardized telugu, drunkers, lazy, naxal, goons ......

    THanks for showing your double tongue.

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  51. If you cannot answer without reference to freedom struggle, please don't even bother to respond

    I want to tell you a story regarding this.


    A Story of a Telangana Artist.
    A Telangana artist is drawing a picture of a 'clear sky with moon and starts'. He is almost finished that painting. At that time a Andhra painter saw this and asked Telangana@ about that picture. Telangana@ explained him that it is just a picture of clear sky with moon and stars.

    Andhra@: What is this concept?
    Telanga@: It is same like what you painted last year painting competitions and this year too.
    Andhra@: What is moon?
    Telanga@: It is like what you painted in your paintings.
    Andhra@:What are those dots?
    Telanga@: Those are starts, like in your previous painting.

    Andhra@ became frustrated and said 'can't you explain to me anything without referencing to my painting?'

    Telan@: but all your questions are stupid, so this is only way I can explain to a ignorant.

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  52. Sujai

    Divorce has happened between Hindus & Muslims .No marriage ever happened between upper castes and lower castes. In fact lower castes are treated in contempt by upper castes.

    Divorce has happened between Tamilians and Hindi people. Divorce has happened between Marathis and UP,Bihar people . Divorce has happened between Sikhs and rest of India.

    Divorce has happened between North east and india.

    And the list is endless.

    Lets end this farcical experiment called India and split this country based on religion,caste, language, region,dialect ,accent .

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  53. Name less:

    No marriage ever happened between upper castes and lower castes. In fact lower castes are treated in contempt by upper castes.

    India has overcome the problem with Reservations.

    Divorce has happened between Tamilians and Hindi people.

    India has overcome the problem with use of English as the official language for Center and States.

    Divorce has happened between Marathis and UP,Bihar people.

    The divorce is underway. It has not happened already. I am quite sure that state government will respond to this by some protectionist policies.

    Divorce has happened between Sikhs and rest of India.

    It looked like that for a while when the Center tried to meddle with affairs of Sikhs in Punjab. Now that the center has learnt its lessons, it doesn’t look like Sikhs are ready to go ahead with the divorce.

    Divorce has happened between North east and india.

    According to me, the marriage never took place.

    Lets end this farcical experiment called India and split this country based on religion,caste, language, region,dialect ,accent .

    As long as India honors aspiration of groups based on religion, caste, language, region and language, India will remain united.

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  54. "As long as India honors aspiration of groups based on religion, caste, language, region and language, India will remain united. "

    What if the aspirations of one group means humiliation of another group ? What if the aspirations of one group means irrecoverable losses for one group ?

    So, Should the groups who get humiliated , who loose generations of investments ,taxes , be still a part of this country ?

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  55. So, Should the groups who get humiliated , who loose generations of investments ,taxes , be still a part of this country ?

    YEs, that is what exactly happened to Telangana after the creation of Andhrapradesh.

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  56. Name less:

    What if the aspirations of one group means humiliation of another group?

    Humiliation is not a good enough reason to deny one his/her freedom. This is discussed in the following two articles:
    People vs. Larry Flynt
    http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/movie-people-vs.html

    People vs Larry Flynt II
    http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/people-vs-larry-flynt-ii.html

    What if the aspirations of one group means irrecoverable losses for one group?
    What are those ‘irrevocable losses’ that we are discussing here?

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  57. Humiliation is not a good enough reason to deny one his/her freedom.

    Sujai ,

    I am not refering to personal humiliation of one person. I am refering to the ongoing humiliation of Andhras going on for the last ten years which has reached its peak in the last ten months. They have been bullied ,attacked ,threatened . Soon hunting season will be declared upon them. I am sure you would say Andhras deserve such humiliation because they made fun of your accent.

    What are those ‘irrevocable losses’ that we are discussing here?

    Those irrecoverable losses are loss of investments made by Andhras as a state. Centre merged Andhra state and telugu regions of Hyd state. Now if centre didnt do that Andhras would have spent all their taxes and resources in Andhra itself.

    Now Telangana wants to walk away with Hyd which has bulk of such investments , this is a irrecoverable loss for Andhras as a state

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  58. Name less:

    I am sure you would say Andhras deserve such humiliation because they made fun of your accent.

    No, I wouldn’t say that. But what I would say is that one can combat humiliation through awareness, compassion, greater understanding of other kind. In some cases, those cannot be legalized. I never asked for legal prohibition of Telugu movies, if you recall. Political actions, policy decisions, sensitivities towards other kinds of people will reduce the humiliation.

    I am not refering to personal humiliation of one person. I am refering to the ongoing humiliation of Andhras going on for the last ten years which has reached its peak in the last ten months.

    So what are the underlying reasons why Telanganas humiliate Andhras, if they do? If you know those underlying reasons, we should go about solving them. According to me, the underlying reason is animosity as a result of domination of Andhras in politics, opportunities, employment and access to resources. I believe the first step towards reducing that animosity between the two groups is to move towards statehood of Telangana.

    Those irrecoverable losses are loss of investments made by Andhras as a state.

    India does not let you forfeit your investments in a city or state, just because a new state is formed. So you are legally entitled to your investments anywhere in the country. A Telugu person investing in Bangalore through legal means is as safe as a Telugu person investing in Hyderabad through legal means. Of course, you should be very worried if you made investments through illegal means, as some of the Seemandhra politicians are currently worried.

    This is already discussed on this blog/comments in excruciating details. You can look up.

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  59. India does not let you forfeit your investments in a city or state, just because a new state is formed. So you are legally entitled to your investments anywhere in the country.

    I am not taking about my personal investments sir. I am talking about investments made by the Govt of AP in the region of telangana with the taxes collected from Andhra region.

    Bulk of such investments were made in Hyd over the last 50 years. How are andhras going to recoup that ? Is Telangana going to compensate? That money is needed for running of schools,hospitals ,maintenance of canals , panchayat funds etc in Andhra region.

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  60. According to me, the underlying reason is animosity as a result of domination of Andhras in politics, opportunities, employment and access to resources.

    Hahaa Sujai ,

    How long will you guys continue to bluff? Telangana people were much behind in terms of HDI indicators at the time of merger ,now they are almost on par with andhras. But you guys continue to sing the same song.

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  61. Name less:

    I am talking about investments made by the Govt of AP in the region of telangana with the taxes collected from Andhra region.

    Funds spent by the governments are not to be recouped by its taxpayers. A welfare state is built on the principle that the government decides where the taxes will be spent. They could give subsidies to farmers. As a tax-payer, I have a right to ask the government to stop paying subsidies to farmers, but if the government backed by majority decides to go ahead with the subsidies, I cannot recoup those subsidies. At best, I can rally people to generate enough political voice to stop the subsidies in future. But I will not be able to recoup my taxes from the farmers.

    In the same way, Telanganas will not be able to recoup the taxes that government ‘invested’ in Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema.

    How are andhras going to recoup that ? Is Telangana going to compensate?

    Usually when new states are formed, the central government offers packages to build a new capital city. I am quite sure that Andhra will get such a huge package. That is the only way to take care of it. But Telangana would not pay Andhras any money. But the funds that are already available in the state will be divided at an agreed ratio.

    If you have trouble understanding this, please look into our history. Look at how funds were divided when India/Pakistan got separated. Bulk of tax money was used in building New Delhi but Pakistan could not recoup its investments. Take a look at many state separations in India. Gujarat-Maharashtra, Punjab-Haryana-Himachal, Madhya Pradesh-Chattisgarh, will provide you with some insights into how this is done.

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  62. Name less:

    How long will you guys continue to bluff?

    As long as you continue to believe that, there will be no reconciliation between Telanganas and Andhras. That is the premise of our struggle and you rubbish it.

    Currently there are nearly 2 lakh illegal employees from Seemandhra working in Telangana? Can you explain why GO610 is still unimplemented? Did you ever tried to find out?

    During YSR tenure, 26 projects have been allocated to irrigate 43 lakh hectares in Andhra-Rayalaseema but only 16 lakh hectares in Telangana. Though Telangana constitutes 40% in land area and population it gets 27% in irrigation. Did you ask why? [India Today]

    In a recent GO 1845 of December 2009 for road and bridge constructions, only 9.31 Crores was allocated to Telangana while Andhra got 103.53 Crores. That’s less than 10%. Do you know why? [The Hindu]

    Out of 10 districts in Telangana, 9 are considered backward by the central government. Only one from Andhra is considered backward. Did you ask why? [The Hindu]

    The list goes on, but most Seemandhras do not want to see the evidence, see it, or learn from it. They wake up in the morning, sit in front of the computer, do not do any studying or homework, they don’t read their histories, and start typing away without an iota of knowledge. Monkeys typing on a keyboard may randomly make more sense.

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  63. "Usually when new states are formed, the central government offers packages to build a new capital city. I am quite sure that Andhra will get such a huge package. That is the only way to take care of it. But Telangana would not pay Andhras any money. But the funds that are already available in the state will be divided at an agreed ratio.

    If you have trouble understanding this, please look into our history. Look at how funds were divided when India/Pakistan got separated. Bulk of tax money was used in building New Delhi but Pakistan could not recoup its investments. Take a look at many state separations in India. Gujarat-Maharashtra, Punjab-Haryana-Himachal, Madhya Pradesh-Chattisgarh, will provide you with some insights into how this is done."

    Your own leaders like Kishen Reddy say that a cess has to be imposed in Hyderabad and the money used up to build the Capital for Hyderabad. No Indian would allow his taxes to go for construction of a capital with huge outlay.
    You are wrong.Gandhinagar was constructed at a huge outlay in 60s to serve as a capital for Gujarat. Chandigarh was built with huge investment after the Indian lost Lahore again with an unprecedented investment during those days.Chattishgarh is going to build a new capital Naya Raipur with an astonishing amount of money.
    Anyway the examples with Madhya Pradesh or Maharasthra are different than Telangana. Since the people of Andhra want to be with Andhra Pradesh but Telangana people want to go away.Therefore those who are being kicked out should be compensated heavily. The compensation has to come from Telangana .

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  64. Anonymous:

    Your own leaders like Kishen Reddy say that a cess has to be imposed in Hyderabad and the money used up to build the Capital for Hyderabad.

    ?
    What does that mean?

    No Indian would allow his taxes to go for construction of a capital with huge outlay.
    Gandhinagar was constructed at a huge outlay in 60s to serve as a capital for Gujarat.


    ?
    So what are you saying? That no Indian allowed construction of Gandhinagar?
    I didn’t understand what you are trying to say.

    Chandigarh was built with huge investment after the Indian lost Lahore again with an unprecedented investment during those days.

    So, did Indians oppose building of Chandigarh because their tax money was being used?

    Chattishgarh is going to build a new capital Naya Raipur with an astonishing amount of money.

    So what are you saying? That Andhra would get a package or not?

    Therefore those who are being kicked out should be compensated heavily. The compensation has to come from Telangana .

    ;-)
    [I understood this sentence]

    Then Telanganas may take compensation for all the lost water in the last 53 years ;-)
    Do you know what that means?

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  65. "So, did Indians oppose building of Chandigarh because their tax money was being used?"
    Indians did oppose the bid of Haryana to replace their capital. Indian Govt didn't want the capital of Haryana to be shifted from Chandigarh.
    Where is the money? I don't want my money to be wasted in building a capital for a state whose existence has no reason.This is a capital waste.
    Chattisgarh is a small state and they are content with a smaller capital. Andhras want a really huge capital.
    I'm a Hyderabadi and even a Telanganite for having born here but I don't have any allegiance or sympathy towards the Telangana Movement .I I don't want my taxes to be wasted on building Capital for Andhra.This money could be better spent in using the resources.
    The package has to come from Telangana according to BJP .Indian Govt cannot afford the money.Maybe you don't read newspapers well. This is what Kishen Reddy said in an op-ed in the Hindu.
    Read this
    http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article80961.ece.
    You write in your blog about the bullets used by Security forces are you taxes then the same way
    as a third party I feel that my money should not be wasted in a White Elephant project.
    "Pragmatism would dictate that the special package be funded through some form of cess on the city of Hyderabad for a limited period rather than running to large financial institutions for loans, as has been proposed by some political entities."
    The same BJP who have created new states are advocating this.

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  66. Anonymous:

    I'm a Hyderabadi and even a Telanganite for having born here but I don't have any allegiance or sympathy towards the Telangana Movement .I I don't want my taxes to be wasted on building Capital for Andhra.This money could be better spent in using the resources.

    Relax. Nobody is asking you to pay taxes for Andhra’s capital. Is this the only reason you oppose Telangana Movement?

    The package has to come from Telangana according to BJP .Indian Govt cannot afford the money.Maybe you don't read newspapers well. This is what Kishen Reddy said in an op-ed in the Hindu.

    Yeah, but unfortunately some of our politicians are not well informed of precedents from Indian history.

    You write in your blog about the bullets used by Security forces are you taxes then the same way
    as a third party I feel that my money should not be wasted in a White Elephant project.


    May be you don’t know how to read blogs. I never used the word ‘wasted’.

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  67. "You write in your blog about the bullets used by Security forces are you taxes then the same way
    as a third party I feel that my money should not be wasted in a White Elephant project.

    May be you don’t know how to read blogs. I never used the word ‘wasted’."

    Maybe you don't know how to write blogs or know how to read what somebody is trying to say . I didn't say you wrote 'wasted'.I only said my money will be wasted!
    When terrorists are killed you way the bullets are paid by you taxes.
    'And they are being shot dead by Indian armed forces, whose guns are bullets are paid for by my taxes.

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  68. "Yeah, but unfortunately some of our politicians are not well informed of precedents from Indian history"
    Maybe there is dearth of part time arm-chair neo-historians like you.Sure you've the time and ability to start a school for politicians and impart your ideologies.

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  69. ". Nobody is asking you to pay taxes for Andhra’s capital."
    Are you going to pay on my behalf for the capital and the expenditure the Indian Govt would incur.

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  70. "Then Telanganas may take compensation for all the lost water in the last 53 years ;-)
    Do you know what that means?"
    Yes if so you'll still have to pay to Andhra big time.You are a genius how can you forget all the ground water that is being guzzled by free power subsidised by Govt. The runoff water that would have been in the rivers is swallowed would have been harvested in Andhra .You know what that means?

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  71. Anonymous:

    Maybe you don't know how to write blogs

    And yet you waste your time trolling on my blog?

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  72. Anonymous:

    Sure you've the time and ability to start a school for politicians and impart your ideologies.

    That is indeed a good idea.

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  73. "And yet you waste your time trolling on my blog?"
    Hey I'm an entrepreneur having a whale of time.

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  74. Are you going to pay on my behalf for the capital and the expenditure the Indian Govt would incur.

    Yes.

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  75. Yes if so you'll still have to pay to Andhra big time.

    As per my calculations, actually it is you have to pay big time to Telangana,,,,

    3.36 lakh crores - for the loss of 5 lakh jobs @ 1.2 lakh/annum for 56 years
    14 lakh crores - for using Hyderabad (25,000 crore/year for using Hyd * 56 years)

    All the lands grabbed from poor and govt lands, alloted to film nagars, celebrities, Pharma, industries, SEZ and many such idiotic projects would be given back.

    Lands belonging to temple, wakf boards which were stolen by Govt - would be returned back.

    547 lakh crores for stealing our water resources.

    Nationalize the gas reserves found in Andhra, and Andhra has to supply 56% of the gas produced to a new gas-thermal project in Mahaboobnagar for the next 312 years.

    Telangana has the right to take water retroactively, that is, the water that was misallocated before, it can take those TMCs out at a later point.

    This is just a quick list. Not a comprehensive list! I will do the interest calculations at a later point. The numbers will be far more interesting with interest calculations!

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  76. Yes if Andhra should pay you so much compensation it is not feasible to have Telangana. That is the reason why AP should contineue..

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  77. Currently there are nearly 2 lakh illegal employees from Seemandhra working in Telangana? Can you explain why GO610 is still unimplemented? Did you ever tried to find out?

    Sujai ,

    Do you know that Girglani commission was appointed to investigate 610 GO implementation ?

    Do you know what it said ?

    18.1.9 : In the various representations to the government and in the Press a figure ranging 40,000 to 58,000 of non-locals working in zones V and VI is being given as those who are working in violation of the Presidential Order.

    The statistical part of non-locals and locals has been examined by the Commission and it will be seen that the percentage of non-locals in the zones V and VI is negligible and far below the sealing of 20 per cent.

    Therefore on the statistical aspect there is no question of any action or implementation of the G.O.


    So where is the 2 lakh figure that you are talking about. Girglani actually says that percentage of non locals in Zone 5 & Zone 6 is negligible.

    Did you get that Sir , But i know you will keep on repeating that there are 2 lakh violations.

    Link : http://www.scribd.com/doc/33993039/ONE-MAN-COMMISSION-SIX-POINT-FORMULA-ANDHRA-PRADESH-Vol-1

    Read point 18.1.9 on page 262

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  78. In the same way, Telanganas will not be able to recoup the taxes that government ‘invested’ in Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema.


    Telangana was a backward region, thats why it got safeguards .

    It also implies that tax money flowed from Andhra to TG ,and not other way around as telangana was a backward region and it wouldnt have generated much revenue (Unless it was using Nizam era taxation)

    I am quite sure that Andhra will get such a huge package.

    It is funny that center never mentioned a package during dec 9 statement and subsequent movement in andhra . Centre has no such idea to give a package to andhra .

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  79. Take a look at many state separations in India. Gujarat-Maharashtra, Punjab-Haryana-Himachal, Madhya Pradesh-Chattisgarh, will provide you with some insights into how this is done.

    Sujai , you said many times we have not freezed anything , we can create new countries also.

    Why dont you want to apply the change policy to AP separation instead of looking into historical precedent ?

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  80. @Green star
    Nationalize the gas reserves found in Andhra, ...

    Man! one sinsible statement from you after a long gap.

    Yes all the gas in KG basin must be nationalized and entire nations should benefit from it.

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  81. So,your KCR didnt grab lands in seemandhra???KCR,KTR,Harish rao,devender goud and even madhu yashki have lands in seemandhra.
    dirty rogues,keep on giving silly reasons.
    there are not more than 5 lakh government jobs in the state.And if in the case all these jobs were given away to seemandhra people,then there should not be even one telanganite working in any government job.

    All your stats are wrong.This is what KCR used as a ruse to entice people into throwing stones at andhra establishments.Which according to you is "A TOTALLY DEMOCRATIC AND DECENT WAY OF SHOWING PROTESTS"

    You are behaving like Rowdies and you all should be put behind bars,even for inciting people.

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  82. Green Star,your demand about nationalizing gas reserves is a stupid one.No state will do it to another state.You are a mental fellow who is subject to mental afflictions.May you get some mental treatment.All agreements were made on water distribution till now.No one made agreements on nationalization of regional resources like natural gas and petro reserves.

    In plain telugu,if you ask for a share in that,"Cheppu tho kodthaaru"

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  83. you are an idiot sujai.you play with people's sentiments.u are a moron and you deserve a strict punishment from everyone.

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  84. //You are behaving like Rowdies and you all should be put behind bars,even for inciting people. //

    So, what are are you waiting for? Good luck.

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  85. You are a mental fellow who is subject to mental afflictions.May you get some mental treatment.

    Same to you anti_sujai.

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  86. In plain telugu,if you ask for a share in that,"Cheppu tho kodthaaru"

    You expect the same if you ask for HYD, thanks.

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  87. you are an idiot sujai.you play with people's sentiments.u are a moron and you deserve a strict punishment from everyone.

    old saying అసలే కోతి, అదేమో కల్లు తాగింది, అదే సమయంలో దానికి తేలు కుట్టింది , your situations is the same I guess.

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  88. Man! one sinsible statement from you after a long gap

    After involved in debate with Andhra@ for weeks, what I understand is... I need to step down to stupid level, so that they understand me better. My days with a Andhra@ called 'reality' are hilarious. I smell this anti_sujai as that 'reality'

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  89. we can create new countries also.

    Is it legal under constitution to ask for a separate country? dumb***

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  90. It also implies that tax money flowed from Andhra to TG ,and not other way around as telangana was a backward region and it wouldnt have generated much revenue (Unless it was using Nizam era taxation

    So, you didnt read the Bargava Committee report. ఇంకోసారి చరిత్ర చదవకుండా వస్తే గోడ కుర్చీ వేయిస్తాను , జాగ్రత్త .

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  91. "Is it legal under constitution to ask for a separate country? dumb***"
    Are throwing stones or burning buses or slapping teachers legal?

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  92. "Are you going to pay on my behalf for the capital and the expenditure the Indian Govt would incur.

    Yes."
    I know you can afford. Yes all of Telangana elite like you can afford infact they can even give to Andhras.Thanks for that.

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  93. "
    3.36 lakh crores - for the loss of 5 lakh jobs @ 1.2 lakh/annum for 56 years
    14 lakh crores - for using Hyderabad (25,000 crore/year for using Hyd * 56 years)"
    Here's an advice to you you is to arrange for KCR,JAC and the retinue to go to Turkey or Australia or whereever hell the Nizam's descendent's are and organize a gherao , dharna or throw stones and collect the money...You can vent out your problems and seek the redressal of what his grandfather has done to your forefathers.

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  94. @Green Star
    I too sense you are Sujai alias.
    As Sujai you prented as moderate logical analyst.
    You take GS Avatar and start abusing others.

    Bhargava committee revealed more truths like water sharing etc.
    Do you accept all of them?
    Do you have region-wise data of budget allocations, actual spendings etc. since 1956?
    No you do not have. You say there is discrimination and we have to accept it without verification.

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  95. @green star
    bhargava commision report stated that funds from telangana region were diverted to andhra.does it include the income created in this region from settlers???
    ante memu katte taxes mee budget lo include chestaaru kaani memu meeku vaddu.
    idi anyayam kaada?

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  96. Suji=Green_star=anonymous=====useless piece of monkey food.

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  97. Suji=Green_star=anonymous=====useless piece of monkey food.

    So, you argue with a use less piece of monkey food, నువ్వు great టాలెంట్ అన్నా

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  98. You can vent out your problems and seek the redressal of what his grandfather has done to your forefathers.

    first let us finish with the morans who cheated me in present time, once we done with you, we will discuss about your suggestion, great tip, thanks.

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  99. Are throwing stones or burning buses or slapping teachers legal?

    Are steeling others jobs, funds, water legal?

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