Sunday, September 19, 2010

Telangana 63: Is the movement nonviolent?

Andhras keep insisting that the current Telangana Movement is violent.  So I ask myself, is it a nonviolent or violent movement?  I am of the opinion that it is a nonviolent movement.  So, how do you characterize stone pelting and bus burning? I still consider them to be nonviolent, not legal, but still nonviolent. [Purists may not agree with me here].  While the policeman has the legal right to arrest that protestor, that protestor has the inalienable right to fight for freedom defying the authority that has been suppressing him. 

A struggle for freedom first tries to explore the available tools – democratic, legal, and electoral.  When all such tools fail to deliver, it will turn into a mass movement.  A mass movement will invariably use expressions of defiance.  The defiance is directed against the authority and the tools of authority which is oppressing or suppressing the protesting people denying their freedoms.  People of Telangana express their ire against the state by the defying the first tool of authority that they encounter – the armed forces.  The other objects of authority are usually public property, because they are also the symbols of the oppressing authority.  Some of the acts of defiance used by Telangana against their authorities are stone pelting and bus burning.   As long as you do not hurt a person and cause bodily injury, as long as you do not damage private property, I would consider it to be nonviolent movement (may not be legal, but still nonviolent).  


It does not mean that a violent movement is always illegitimate; or that a peaceful movement is always legitimate.  For example, a peaceful rally demanding the state to force women to cover their faces, restrict them to home, and deprive them of voting rights could still be an illegitimate movement though a peaceful one. 

To understand whether the current Telangana Movement is violent or not one has to look at examples from our histories.  One of the most renowned and hailed nonviolent mass movements on the planet is Indian Independence Movement.  Indians feel proud to tell the world that they carried out the most nonviolent freedom struggle on the planet.  And the world recognizes this and acknowledges it.  Many nations, freedom movements and civil rights movements derive strength from our nonviolent Independence Movement.  You go to any school or college in India, or you go to any university in the world, and ask them to give an example of a popular nonviolent movement, there is a good chance they may refer to Indian Independence Movement and even talk a thing or two about Gandhi.

So, using our Indian Independence Movement as yardstick, let’s measure ourselves.   Since my Andhra friends are really poor in history and also have extremely little capacity to absorb history, I will take tidbits from Indian Independence Movement.  These are snapshots from first few weeks of Quit India Movement launched in 1942 under the auspices of Gandhi, the icon of nonviolence worldwide [1].
  1. For the first six weeks after 9 August 1942, there was a tremendous mass upsurge all over the country.
  2. In some places, huge crowds attacked police stations, post offices, courts, railway stations, and other symbols of Government authority.
  3. Crowds of villagers, often numbering a few hundreds or even a couple of thousand, physically removed railway tracks, and cut telephone and telegraph wires. 
  4. Students went on strike in schools and colleges all over the country and busied themselves taking out processions, writing and distributing illegal news-sheets.
  5. Students of Banaras Hindu University decided to go to the villages to spread the message of Quit India. They raised slogans of ‘Thana Jalao’ (Burn the police station), ‘Station phoonk do’ (Burn the railway stations), ‘Angrez bhag gaya’ (Englishmen have fled).
  6. 80% of the police stations were captured or temporarily evacuated in ten districts of North and Central Bihar.
  7. There were also physical attacks on Europeans.  At Fatwa, near Patna, two RAF officers were killed by a crowd at the railway station and their bodies paraded through the town.
  8. In Monghyr, the crews of two RAF planes that crashed at Pasraha on 18 August and Ruihar on 20 August were killed by villagers.
  9. According to official estimates, in the first week, 250 railway stations were damaged or destroyed, and over 500 post offices and 150 police stations were attacked.
  10. By the end of 1942, over 60,000 persons had been arrested. Twenty-six thousand people were convicted and 18,000 detained.
That was one set of incidents from one of the agitations carried out during Indian Independence Movement, considered as the most nonviolent political and mass movement in our history.   If that is what happened during a nonviolent movement, Telangana Movement of 2009-10 pales in comparison, making it even more peaceful movement than the Indian Independence Movement.  Though we don’t have a Gandhi, it looks like we are more Gandhian than what Gandhi could achieve.

I am NOT trying to justify acts of defiance of 1942 here, nor am I condoning the bus burning carried out by Telangana protestors. Neither am I discussing the events where many buses and even a train was burnt by Seemandhras after Dec 9th statement.  Many protestors in India are resorting to this even for illegitimate demands and I do not like this practice.  However, we need to understand why in a freedom struggle, the protestors resort to attacking the symbols of the government, the security forces, and properties of the government.   

We could learn from our histories and strive to create a state where such stone pelting and bus burning is not required anymore to seek freedoms.  In a democratic country, freedom should be easily available.  In fact, it should be guaranteed.  Such a mature democratic nation is possible only if we become appreciative of people’s aspirations and accommodate them.  When we consistently ignore their pleas, demands, and aspirations for freedom, we give way to a mass movement where protestors resort to defying authorities. 

My observation over the last ten months is that Andhras are being completely obdurate, antipathetic, callous, and arrogant towards Telangana Movement.  Not a single Andhra comes out and says, ‘I understand your plight.  I think it is time to make amends’.  Instead they keep on provoking Telangana agitators, taunting them, and relishing in the successes of police oppression on Telangana protestors.  With this kind of rulers, people of Telangana are left with no choice but defy authority to get their freedoms.

Sources: [1] India’s Struggle for Independence by Bipan Chandra, Mridula Mukherjee, Aditya Mukherjee, Sucheta Mahajan, K.N. Panikkar, Penguin Books.

40 comments:

  1. Hi Sujai..
    I understand your plight
    Our intention is not to criticize you.. you should look into reality... why i call T-movement is violent is ::
    1.They pelted stones at Jagan.
    2.They pelted stones at TDP persons.
    do u think they have no right to move in telengana..??is telangana is Restricted Area...???
    3.They behaved like terrorist towards Lecturers..
    If those terrorists have any problem they should go to VC and ask him to send andhra lecturers back... why manhandling...??
    do the lecturers have any ambition to correct ur papers.. they r just working for salaries and obey orders...
    4.Attacking on film theaters is a stupid thing... if u people need money to run movement,just beg in ameerpet.Please don't kill art.

    As long as the movement doesn't hurt Common people it is non-violent..

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  2. Ur Fan:

    3.They behaved like terrorist towards Lecturers..

    I think we are going overboard when you call that terrorism. One should look at the examples of what terrorists do or did to understand if Telangana protestors are terrorists.

    Did you read what happened during Quit India Movement 1942? If that movement is called non-violent, would you still characterize Telangana Movement as violent? To get a perspective it is much better to look at other freedom struggles, those in Indochina, Algeria, etc. That’s when you will realize how nonviolent this agitation is.

    The incidents that you describe are stray incidents, deplorable, but quite small compared to the number of agitations that are taking place in the region. We are not proud of such incidents, the way you are not very proud of the incidents that happened on the streets of Seemandhra after December 9th.

    do u think they have no right to move in telengana..??is telangana is Restricted Area...???

    They do have a right to move into Telangana. When Telangana is formed, I am quite sure nobody will object to any politician coming in. It will never be a restricted area.

    Right now, YSR’s son is considered by Telanganas as a symbol of the authority that has oppressed Telangana, and hence the opposition. There are lakhs of Seemandhra people living in Telangana, nobody is opposing their presence.

    It’s like Indians saying, ‘Simon Go Back’.

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  3. Tommorow Andhras will be murdered in broad daylight but still Telangana movement will be considered non violent. Why ?

    Because many indians and britishers were killed during Indian freedom movement and Indian freedom movement is still considered to non violent.

    How does it matter if some tens of thousands of "Andhra scum" are killed for achieving of "freedom" for crores of telanganites. Those dead andhras should be proud of their role in making of history.

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  4. Name less:

    Tommorow Andhras will be murdered in broad daylight but still Telangana movement will be considered non violent.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. No Telangana person is ready to anything remotely close to what you suggest. I think a mature country will solve its impending problems before it gets out of hand. I am confident that this time around, India will solve the problem before we can see a 'civil war' (as some politicians would like describe it).

    I am not sure if you read my post. Or like most Andhras you have a limited capacity to imbibe reason.

    I wrote:

    As long as you do not hurt a person and cause bodily injury, as long as you do not damage private property, I would consider it to be nonviolent movement (may not be legal, but still nonviolent).

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  5. As long as you do not hurt a person and cause bodily injury, as long as you do not damage private property, I would consider it to be nonviolent movement (may not be legal, but still nonviolent).

    Sujai,

    In December you wrote violence is not acceptable ,period.

    Today you are saying throwing stones is okay as long as they dont hurt a person. Where do u think stones will land. Wont they land on police and people who are in vicintiy ?

    What about tommorow ,how much violence will you justify ? You already have our freedom struggle as analogy to justify any amount of violence.

    Hatred is a slippery slope and you have slipped long ago.

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  6. "There are lakhs of Seemandhra people living in Telangana, nobody is opposing their presence. "
    The TRS says that they are blatantly against Seemandhra people in Telangana.Only those whose parents were born in Telangana before 1Nov1956 are real Telanganites.Those wifes who have married to Seemandhra husbands too are not considered Telanganite.They are dubbed Telangana drohulu. One of the foolish leaders ,a former MP from Warangal who happens to be a relative of TRS goes overboard saying the when you ask Seemandhra folks they they hail from they say they are from Kurnool or so and so.
    Ask anybody in the US they will first say they are either Irish or Italian or German. I'm sure if you ask a Telanganite in Hyderabad where he is from he would say Karimnagar or Warangal.

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  7. If you burn your buses you are going to pay from your own thin pockets.The money is not going to fall from the sky. I propose to the Govt that the losses to the Govt property has to be recovered from the regions where they have been destroyed.That way Telangana will be free to burn their buses,even trains or Govt offices and pay for their own loss.
    They could collect a fund to compensate the Govt for their vandalism .
    Let them pelt stones,eggs,burn buses,trains and they can even go to marriage pandals to stop the weddings if a Telanganite is marrying a Andhraite.But let me not be burdened with extra taxes or fare increases.

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  8. "As long as you do not hurt a person and cause bodily injury, as long as you do not damage private property, I would consider it to be nonviolent movement (may not be legal, but still nonviolent)."
    What else remains? If stone throwing is not to cause the bodily injury why do you think people throw stones? Are they mad?I don't call them mad because they have a reason.If they were mad I'd have condone it as you did.By the way the new pelting weapon are flowers and coins.
    That Telangana drohi Jagan is mauled not by hatred but by fulsome love when people threw flowers at him.
    Maybe the best way to give some remuneration for Telangana farmers is to buy flowers from Jambagh and throw at these Telangana drohulu.
    They will be out of commission with the eye infection. What a better way to follow the adage "an eye of eye"......

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  9. Anonymous:

    I propose to the Govt that the losses to the Govt property has to be recovered from the regions where they have been destroyed.That way Telangana will be free to burn their buses,even trains or Govt offices and pay for their own loss.

    No problem. We will pay for our buses. You pay for your burnt buses and trains. That will be a miniscule amount compared to the losses we currently incur in the combined state.

    Let them pelt stones,eggs,burn buses,trains and they can even go to marriage pandals to stop the weddings if a Telanganite is marrying a Andhraite.But let me not be burdened with extra taxes or fare increases.

    The best way to avoid it is to have your own state. We will have our own. You will never be burdened with our pelting and bus burning.

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  10. Anonymous:
    If stone throwing is not to cause the bodily injury why do you think people throw stones? Are they mad?

    In some freedom struggles, protestors throw stones at battle tanks. Why do you think they do that? Do cause bodily damage to soldiers sitting inside a battle tank?

    It’s called an ‘act of defiance’. I am not sure you understand what that means.

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  11. "In some freedom struggles, protestors throw stones at battle tanks. Why do you think they do that? Do cause bodily damage to soldiers sitting inside a battle tank"
    Are there battle tanks yet in Telangana ? If the people are so stupid to throw stones on battle tanks,it is their problem.I'm sorry it doesn't serve any purpose and is not worth the stone that has been picked up.Maybe you are so apologetic about slipping your tongue that you are making in vain attempts to correct or substantiate with your tangents.
    Recently I don't know if you saw a story in the network Telugu news channels of a young man by name Paul Raj.He threw stones remorselessly at the Mahaboodnagar railway station aimed at some Telangana legislators. He was shot by the policemen.The poor young man had injuries near his eye and lost his eye sight in one eye permanently. He needed 2 or 3 lakhs for a surgery.He is a poor tribal and his father is a daily labourer in farms. They run from pillar to post even sleeping on the streets in Hyderabad waiting to see doctors at NIMS. That poor father is ripe and absolutely clueless but his love towards his kid is unflinching and appreciable. No Telangana leader is ready to help him ,he is left to fend for himself in a big stony world. A youth lost his present and future mercilessly for sake of some demagogues who provoked him to throw stones in his painful past . I'm sure there are many unsung Paul Raj's already and more on their rocky way whose tales are unchronicled.
    If stone throwing is good thing,maybe they can derive a 'moral' solace,for a minute escape the guilt reading your blog for having lost their otherwise bright careers to police cases that have made them worthless in every possible and having fallen into predicament they are in because of their leaders who promised them heaven but abandoned and relegated them to a sloppy bottomless hell.

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  12. "
    No problem. We will pay for our buses. You pay for your burnt buses and trains."

    Maybe you can write a blog on how the innocent weaver in Sircilla or a tribal in Adilabad whose honly mode of transport is the RTC bus are going to pay for fare increases. If you have a different method then that could be a primer on how to recoup the losses incurred in an agitation. That will help the future govts to build a master plan to ignore the stone pelters and damage they cause.

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  13. "The best way to avoid it is to have your own state. We will have our own. You will never be burdened with our pelting and bus burning."
    Sorry my friend I'm not afraid of this insanity.This is my country and I'll stand by my convictions. Just because they throw stones,would the people get scared and force the Govt to give the state? That is the most foolish comment from Sujai. You've to do better than that. We will form anti-stone pelting cartels ,you are free to for a stone pelting cartel just like in Kashmir maybe teach the youth better techniques. Hey India has contributed to American baseball thru Million Dollar Arm maybe new pitchers are born.

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  14. stone pelting is an act of defiance.only non skulls call it so.So do you feel like you are hit with a feather when someone throws stones at you??
    then you must also be made of a stone,you chicken head.

    By the way,anyone got a heart for learning new words,well "KACHARA" now means kalvakuntla chandrasekhar rao alias KCR,just like CNARE

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  15. well KCR is also called AP Jinnah,have the guts to post it here????speak out you moron.

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  16. "Telangana person is ready to anything remotely close to what you suggest.."
    Who said India is a mature country? The major political party of the country talks of democracy but forces family rule. No intetions of solving water sharing problems, abetting regional and sub-regional divisions for the sake of political gains.
    You still vall it maturity?

    A foriegn daughter-in-law as a ruler is not a problem for separatists of various hues. In fact they beg at her feet. But they see discrimination by people from same race and even after living together for 60 years.

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  17. Anonymous:

    We will form anti-stone pelting cartels

    Please do.

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  18. Anonymous:

    Maybe you can write a blog on how the innocent weaver in Sircilla or a tribal in Adilabad whose honly mode of transport is the RTC bus are going to pay for fare increases

    I won't. You can.

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  19. "
    Maybe you can write a blog on how the innocent weaver in Sircilla or a tribal in Adilabad whose honly mode of transport is the RTC bus are going to pay for fare increases"
    See the real reason behind the frustration and suicides of the youth.Nobody is concerned of the problems of the poor and downtrodden.God Bless Telangana!

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  20. No Telangana leader is ready to help him ,he is left to fend for himself in a big stony world.

    If some one expects that in current days they get help from leaders, that is totally fantasy. If some one want to face the police, they are on there own and they are doing that for there own purpose, but not doing for leaders. If some one thinks otherwise, I am sorry for them.

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  21. well KCR is also called AP Jinnah,have the guts to post it here????speak out you moron

    here we go, the mad monkey come out again.... I too agree with you, KCR is worst human like you. I wish god gives me a boon to free kick to you both.

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  22. ప్రతి ఆంధ్రోడు మాకు చెప్పే వాడె, వాడెంతో పెద్ద గొప్ప చరిత్ర ఉన్నట్లు.

    మీకు ఆంధ్ర రాష్ట్రము ఎలా వచ్చిందో తెలుసా? పొట్టి శ్రీ రాములు నిరాహార దీక్ష వలన? కావచ్చు, కాని అది పూర్తీ కారణం కాదు, పొట్టి మరణించిన కుడా నెహ్రు మనసు పెద్దగా మారలేదు, పొట్టి మరణించిన తరువాత మీ ఆంధ్రలో గొడవలు, బస్సు తగలబెట్టటం, షాపులు తగలబెట్టటం, ఉన్న తమిళుల పయిన దాడి చెయ్యటం లాంటివి జరుగుతున్నప్పుడు అవాన్ని చూసి నెహ్రు ఆంధ్ర రాష్ట్రము ప్రకటించాడు.

    అటువంటి చరిత్ర ఉన్న మీరు మాకు చెప్పొచ్చారు, వెనకటికొకడు అన్నట్లు మనం చేస్తే లౌక్యం , ఎదుటివాడు చేస్తే మోసం.

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  23. "If some one expects that in current days they get help from leaders, that is totally fantasy. If some one want to face the police, they are on there own and they are doing that for there own purpose, but not doing for leaders. If some one thinks otherwise, I am sorry for them."
    Hey you don't know what's going in OSmania hostels. TRS's leaders like Raghunandan rao go around spending lakhs of ruppes giving the money for the bail .There are live telecast all over the TV.That's why you are so dumb Homer!

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  24. @green star
    i agree with u on burning of busses and public proerty but i dont think we ever hurted tamilians.
    ivaltiki kuda nellore chittoor tirupati areaslo entho mandi arava vallu untaaru
    but we never consider them our enemies

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  25. i agree with u on burning of busses and public proerty but i dont think we ever hurted tamilians.
    ivaltiki kuda nellore chittoor tirupati areaslo entho mandi arava vallu untaaru
    but we never consider them our enemies


    So, how do you define a peaceful movement? few movements back you guys , argued that burning buses, destroying public property are violent, now you stepped back from your own statement. As I mentioned before మనం చేస్తే లౌక్యం , ఎదుటి వాడు చేస్తే మోసం.

    You are the dumbest person I have seen so far, 'reality' was far better idiot than you.

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  26. Dear Andhra guys,

    You guys parted ways with Tamilnadu (not with TN people but with their administration )back then and it was allowed.

    And now we (telanganies) wanted to part ways with Andhra Pradesh administration.

    As simple as that. And if there is any complex thing in it then Central Govt will take care of. You guys need not worry about a thing.

    After all, we are all trying to make you understand the same thing what you guys have done before.

    And I know , of course we all know, that you guys are smart enough to understand that simple point. But, what's making you all to argue on such a simple point, it does not look good at all.

    Whole Telangana tried and trying their best to make you understand the same thing in 1,78,456 different ways. That number is growing guys.

    Anyway, its been more than 50 yrs now without proper development, so continuing movement like this for few more years will not harm telangana region. So my friends you can post your question here or else where to understand the point in several different ways.

    Wait n watch for a different view in a different perspective from one of our proud Telanganites explaining about the same point again n again for Andhrites.

    Happy understanding.

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  27. @Orugallu

    I understand what you say.
    Free yourself from your emotions for few minutes and read the following.

    For last 9 months I have been following the movement in media as well as web.
    Apart from specific cases, the major allegations are exploitation in water sharing and jobs.

    Now take perspective of 3rd party person.
    What is the basis or proof required to accept these allegations?
    Also who should put forth the proof?

    For all questions related to water sharing T-activists bring up either Prof. Jayashankar's argument or Sridhar's presentation.
    Jayshakar's argument is based on catchment area as the criterion. As on today nowhere in the world such criterion is used.
    He himself said 'if catchment area is take as criterion...' but did not mention any precedent.
    I quesioned myself. If there is no precedent why not this become a precedent?
    Yes, this can be the first step towards a new mechanism of water sharing.
    But who should decide it? What about other stakeholders?
    Sridhar's presentation raises more confusion esp. in the context of Pranahita-chevella.
    He says YSR rejected thier proposal but the project is on and Govt. trying to get national status.
    Further many people, from Telangana, say PC is a hoax and unviable at such a huge cost.

    Coming to jobs as per T-activists the number of 'looted' jobs vary from 50,000 to 2 Lakh.
    When questionned where from these number came up we are told to read Girglani commission report.
    What is in that report? How this number of 50K or 2Lakh arrived at?
    Following is the extract from report (page 262, Chapter 18)

    In the various representations to the government and in the Press a figure ranging 40,000 to 58,000 of non-locals working in zones V and VI is being given as those who are working in violation of the Presidential Order. The statistical part of non-locals and locals has been examined by the Commission and it will be seen that the percentage of non-locals in the zones V and VI is negligible and far below the sealing of 20 per cent. Therefore on the statistical aspect there is no question of any action or implementation of the G.O.

    Will SKC accept this as 'looting'?

    You may resort to counter-offensive while arguing with 'samainkhya vaadulu'.
    What about SKC and central govt? SKC is headed by a judge who will scrutinize everything to the possible extent.
    You might have alredy heard of discussion of Telangana irrigation experts with SKC.

    Happy understanding.

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  28. Why self immolation is most “ Ghandian” of all protests.
    Ghandi use to preach resistance through “non-violence”, but he himself believed
    In “satyagraha” which involves passive resistance mostly through “Fasting”, which
    Is a form of self inflicted violence, violence as a weapon on ones own body to shame
    The enemy or gain sympathy. So the 300 teleganites who committed suicide are not
    Some fanatics but “Ghandians” in the truest sense .

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  29. "Why self immolation is most “ Ghandian” of all protests.
    Ghandi use to preach resistance through “non-violence”, but he himself believed
    In “satyagraha” which involves passive resistance mostly through “Fasting”, which
    Is a form of self inflicted violence, violence as a weapon on ones own body to shame
    The enemy or gain sympathy. So the 300 teleganites who committed suicide are not
    Some fanatics but “Ghandians” in the truest sense ."
    First of all its Gandhi not Ghandi.Sujai should immediately correct it.It is not acceptable to
    insult the Mahatma.
    Secon - Self inflicted violence is a patent of KCR who successfully brought Telangana to center stage.

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  30. Self inflicted violence is a patent of KCR who successfully brought Telangana to center stage.

    So does Potti Sree Ramulu too.




    First of all its Gandhi not Ghandi.Sujai should immediately correct it.It is not acceptable to
    insult the Mahatma.


    Is it? How come this insults Gandhi? As of my understanding our Indian names can be spelled in many different ways while writing in English!! Few say 'Ravindranath Tagore' but few other people write as 'Rabindranath Tagore". There is no real english spelling for name sounds like 'Bakar'. Please, it is okey as long as you mention a typo, but it is not okey to make it a issue like politicians. It is not only you but every one here is smart.

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  31. The reason behind JAI ANDHRA MOVEMENT


    Some half-wit idiots like Chelesani of the self claimed Andhra Medhavi Forum state that They agitated for a seperate andhra during JAI ANDHRA movement but were forced to be united state, but the real reason for JAI ANDHRA movement is this:(exerpted from a book by Harish Damodarans Indian capitalists)


    During the
    early 1970s the Congress central leadership under Indira Gandhi at-
    tempted to take its rural reforms agenda one step ahead through socio-
    economic programmes specifically targeting Dalits, tribals, and other
    backward classes. Also, in what was perceived as a bid to undermine
    the hold of the dominant peasant castes over these groups—who pro-
    vided a captive ‘vote bank’ for exercising power in rural localities—the
    state government of P.V. Narasimha Rao introduced a land ceilings act
    prohibiting individual families from owning more than eighteen acres
    of irrigated land growing two crops. For the Kamma middle peasantry
    this foreclosed the potential to acquire cultivable land beyond a certain
    physical (and psychological) threshold. To add to their discomfiture,
    a Supreme Court ruling in October 1972 upheld a nizam-era firman
    (decree) reserving government jobs in Telangana (which included Hyde-
    rabad) for only mulkis (residents) of the region. The decision sparked
    off a ‘Jai Andhra’ movement, spearheaded by Kamma Land owners.



    So Jai Andhra movment was basically a movment by upper caste people(kammas) against BC's and opposing landreforms for poor,
    and telengana movement will reverse it.

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  32. Gandhi signed his name as Gandhi not Ghandi. Read Rabindranath Tagore's Nobel Prize citation . Nobody ever says Ravindranath. The author of the post has used Ghandi only to ridicule Gandhiji.
    "As of my understanding our Indian names can be spelled in many different ways while writing in English!!"
    In India or any where in the world there should and is only one way of writing your name.That's the reason why one has passports and birth certificates.Sujai is only Sujai and Sooooooooojoy.

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  33. The reason behind JAI ANDHRA MOVEMENT

    Jai Andhra was against BCs and lead by upper caste Kammas.
    So uppercate Velams and Reddys are entitled to lead Telamgana movement against BCs.
    Is that what you want to say?

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  34. Wat im tryin to say is that kamma domination is adding fuel to the telengana agitation and that most of the Settlers are Kammas, though Rayalaseema reddys plundered Telenganas Mines and Real Estate they did not settle here , so most of the backlash is goin to be faced by Kammas.

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  35. Aditya

    People like you are boon to Andhra. We need more and more of you , not just spreading hate in cyber world , but also doing the actual acts in real world.

    Many Andhras are still only fearful, they have to taste desperate, hopeless. Then only will they realise how much this country cares for them and only then will they set in motion the process of creation of 'Andhra Country'

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  36. @@@ Many Andhras are still only fearful, they have to taste desperate, hopeless. Then only will they realise how much this country cares for them and only then will they set in motion the process of creation of 'Andhra Country.


    By "them" do you mean upper cast "Kammas" or common andhra people,
    you people are shameless hypocrites it was fine for "you" people when the country abolished zamindari system and uplifted "kamma" people but u get outraged when the country tries to launch land reforms(limiting individual land holdings to 18 acres) for lower caste people and u launch "JAI ANDHRA" movement against lower castes.
    Think u people want to be ruled by British rather stay in India thats why u people idolise "cotton" DHORA so much, U people still want to kiss Thella Dhoras ASS.
    All the best with ur "Andhra Country" we "Telenganites" will PUSH u back in to Bangala Katham if u do that.

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  37. @ Aditya

    You show once again how 'intelligent' you are.

    //it was fine for "you" people when the country abolished zamindari system and uplifted "kamma" people //

    Kammas were the zamindars in most parts of andhra . You dont even know this basic fact but you keep on talking about Andhras.

    Anyway ,its not just kammas , most people in andhra have now realized how much they have sacrificed to satisfy tg people and yet are being branded as cheats & theives.

    //All the best with ur "Andhra Country" we "Telenganites" will PUSH u back in to Bangala Katham if u do that.//

    You say all the best and simultaneously threaten us with violence ? You know how crooked andhras are , isnt it better for you if you can get rid of them permanently from your country. What will you guys loose if andhra moves out of indian union. ?

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  38. >>most people in andhra have now realized how much they have sacrificed to satisfy tg people and yet are being branded as cheats & theives.

    There are few typos in above sentence, I think you want to write like below.

    "most people in andhra have now realized how much they have looted to satisfy Seemandra people and yet are being branded by Telangana@as cheats & theives but not looters, robbers, butchers"

    I still dont understand what Seemandra@ sacrificed to TG? If I move all the way to USA because of better opportunities and make money is that mean I have sacrificed so much for USA citizens? Wow...

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  39. >>You say all the best and simultaneously threaten us with violence ?

    సామ దాన దండోపాయం ....

    >>isnt it better for you if you can get rid of them permanently from your country.

    Indian union has to decide about it, not we.

    >>What will you guys loose if andhra moves out of indian union. ?

    We dont loose anything but Pakistan will gain another friend.

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  40. @aditya

    most of the s/w engineers in hyd are from our region but still we NEVER pressurised govt to start hitech city in vijayawada/vizag
    same is the case most of the people who fly abroad from shamshabad.still we never made EVEN A SINGLE DHARNA to upgrade the statuses of our airports from domestic to internatioanl
    same is the case with iit/iiit/nit/bits/isb/drd/dlrl/ecil/bhel and all the research institutes in tarnaka
    anthenduku agricultural university head quarters hyd lo undi.ekkuva fertile lands unna east/west godavari district lo kaadu

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