Tuesday, September 07, 2010

Telangana: Kodandaram at IISc Bangalore on 9th Sept

Reorganization of States in India: Issues & Concerns with Telangana

Speaker:              Prof. Kodandram Reddy

Venue:  Physics Lecture Hall, IISc, Bangalore
Date:     9th September -2010 Thursday
Time:     6:00 pm,
Tea:       5:45pm

About the Speaker: Prof. Kodandaram is a professor in Political Science at Osmania University, Hyderabad, completely his MA and PhD from Osmania University and M.Phil from JNU.  He is a famous social activist also serving as the president of Telangana Vidhyavanthula Vedhika (TVV) and presently he is the convener of Telangana-Joint Action Committee (TG-JAC).  He has vast experience in educating people and a national human activist.

Abstract
A growing and maturing democracy like India has to deal with demands for newer and smaller states coming from various parts of India.  Telangana, a region that was merged with Andhra State to form new state of Andhra Pradesh in 1956, poses new challenges to Indian democracy.  Fight for demerger of Telangana is 60 years old struggle which remains unaddressed by Indian democracy due to pressure from lobbies and vested interests who pose opposition citing reasons like new states pose threat to existence and unity of India, that one language should have one state, that backwardness as result of discrimination can be addressed by packages and aids, that new states will result in rise of Maoists, and so on.  There is a need for Indian democracy to mature up to deal with problems of discrimination of minority regions by majority regions within a state, to address genuine aspirations of a backward section of people, and to admit that language alone is not the basis for division of states. 

86 comments:

  1. 'He has vast experience in "educating" people and a national human activist'.
    Thanks for the fun lines Sujai

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  2. Congratulations Sujai. Kodandaram Reddy is truly an intellectual stalwart who is know more for his non-academic avocations.The academician who is well read enough to know that stone hurling is heinous and undemocratic, openly advocates mouths hatred and malice inciting the students to revolt against the Govt,thereby its people. He should be the one who should have talked the students into not pillaging the exam centers but he choose the support the students indulging in medieval exuberances tearing the answer sheets of innocent Telangana students who wanted to be counted as being a responsible unemployed aspirant instead of being a rudderless agitationists . I understand a distraught career politician or a deviant rowdy sheeter engaging in such practices but an academic preaching anachronistic ways of so called protest is not fit to be in the portals of intellectual wisdom.Even when his life is at stake I cannot imagine a doctor administering a venom to most hostile of his patients likewise an academician is a beacon to the society he should be aware for the enormous responsibility bestowed upon him not just merely taking monotonous classes but to stand as an exemplar of virtues and honesty.We look upon our professors not for the knowledge or academic vastness but for their guidance in confronting the dubious world beyond the hallways of the universities. I'm not sure I can look upon Kodandaram Reddy in the same light.

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  3. Sujai - thanks for the entertainment dude, esp. the 'about the speaker' part.

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  4. @hyderabadi
    If you dont like then please don't look upon Kodandram sir for guidance.Atleast he is far far better than Prof.Samuel who is nothing but a dummy and who doen't know how to articulate or moral ground behind the socalled samaikyandhra JAC.

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  5. @truth - This is about Prof.Kodandram, not Samuel. I noticed the same thing on debates and blogs. Whenever a valid question is asked, people choose to ridicule or pick someone from the other side rather than providing a good answer backed by statistics.

    Politicians do the same thing when they can't answer a question. If you do the same thing, what's the difference between you and rotten politicians?

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  6. "If you dont like then please don't look upon Kodandram sir for guidance.Atleast he is far far better than Prof.Samuel who is nothing but a dummy and who doen't know how to articulate or moral ground behind the socalled samaikyandhra JAC."
    I believe the academicians are beyond borders.Any student or youth looks upon their teachers for guidance.I meant't to say youth like you who look upon your 'sir'.
    See I'm not here to examine the relative merits of Samuel vs Kodandaram.I don't care for the regions, any teacher is a role model.If Samuel preaches the same I'll direct my ire against him. As an OU alumni I have high regard for my alma mater,I'm pained to see teachers like Prof Reddy going about exam centers and instead of restraining them ,he goes about to talk in an inciting manner.

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  7. Guys:
    We don't have to make a big deal of what was said about Prof Kodandaram. It was prepared by students of IISc and I typed it the way they wrote it on their poster.

    There is a tendency to use nice and good words about the speaker no matter who it is.

    I am quite sure if Lagadapati gave a speech at a university, he would be described in good words.

    I understand that Andhras have a very low opinion of Telangana people and its leaders. They keep on ridiculing us. I am quite used to it by now. You can go ahead and ridicule Prof Kodandaram and if it amusing, I am happy that I could provide some amusement to you.

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  8. Hi Srujai,
    Everywhere I read about telangana, all I learn is, ignorant and innocent people fight and kill for a separate stage 'Telangana'. Intellectual/smart people expressing it in news, articles, blogs and different platforms and politicians taking advantage either way, breaking it or making it. It matters less to me (outsider to AP) if they divide or keep it united. However every one exaggerates the situation and blow it out of proportion. Andhra people say Telangana will be useless after division, naxals and so on.. and Telangana ppl say that so much of great things will happen after division. And Hydbd ppl say 'Ok make it Union territory' we are 'Hides' silicon city etc. AP has very little cultural identity. I feel. Living in a foreign land, I meet telugu people, studied in telugu medium, but finds it so hard to say few writer names, few socialist's names. I could have met the most less knowledgeable people or thats the realit of the state. Everyone loves to be prejudiced, Interesting thing is even the so called educated, urban (Hydbd) class of people dominate daughter-in-laws,wife, sister. Women discriminate woman inside families, a lot superstitious and backward in terms of caste and religion. Education is a matter of class, pride and show off and primarily driven by dowry system in the as far as I have learned. There may be few who are not this way, but majority are. I can explain that part. However, the 'Developed' Andhra and the under developed Telangana and very much liberated Hyderabad all are in the same level when it comes to social behaviours, knowledge gained from education , social reformations everything of this sort.

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  9. Contd..
    The way people reason division or non-division is the evidence of their ignorance. Its quiet stupid and silly to say Telangana will turn Maoist, or Hyderabad has to become union territory. You guys need education at a different level, you guys need thinkers, Its not english speaking classes, nor rapid sap, java, and a bundle of IT courses, but basic grass root level of education on 'Patriotism', I understand that they are fighting for the land is the proof that they are patriotic, but every family, individual is so damn greedy and self centered. Neither telangana, nor andhra has so far protected any kind of cultural identities. Its silly of Andhra to cry that we brothers will divide and telugu is for all of us.. cuz no one seem to protect it anyway. This is in average comparison to other state citizens. There has been amendments to acts, bills, there has been new educational institutions, regulation of new institutions etc in the states of Maharastra, Gujarat, Kerala, Tamil nadu or karnataka. People change and liberate on a daily basis in these states. But your state be it two or one, people are still so narrow thinking. Neither in Andhra nor in Telangan there is sufficient number of educational institutions be it primary edu or engg, medicine whatever. No good health care, AP both telangana and Andhra are close to Bihar in corruption and upper caste and rich class dominance. There are examples in others states where rich class, or upper casts are a lot normal and dont enjoy the undue powers as your state. They are after all normal citizens who got born in upper caste or became rich. Nothing more than that. Sorry to say that no one seems to work on changing the system but people kill about keeping or breaking the state.

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  10. " I am happy that I could provide some amusement to you."
    I think for the first time I laughed heartily at your post!!.Cool.Good sport!

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  11. Anonymous:

    [Please give yourself a name. Even a pseudonym would do. It helps the readers to relate a response to a comment. Otherwise we will have too many Anonymous commenters.]

    Everywhere I read about telangana, all I learn is, ignorant and innocent people fight and kill for a separate stage 'Telangana'. Intellectual/smart people expressing it in news, articles, blogs and different platforms and politicians taking advantage either way, breaking it or making it.

    That’s a simplistic view of this movement. Many intellectual/smart people are also on the road, agitating, and protesting, and getting arrested. I know many political leaders getting arrested and some of them are physically forced into submission. Of course, the masses do tend to resort to stone pelting and bus burning, which is unfortunate. Do you want the intellectuals also to indulge in bus burning?

    However every one exaggerates the situation and blow it out of proportion. Andhra people say Telangana will be useless after division, naxals and so on.. and Telangana ppl say that so much of great things will happen after division.

    You have to take it with a pinch of salt. Telangana will NOT be useless after division. And Telangana will NOT do great things after division. If you know where to get your news and sources you will realize that not much may change for a common man after Telangana gets formed. But the hope is that it will become a better place to live over a period of time. I am not expecting miracles. Neither should you. And if someone is promising miracles, please ignore them.

    It’s like India getting free from British. Not much changed for many years for a common man. Then he started to reap the benefits of electricity, water, jobs, etc. But then there were some villages which looked they were left behind in time, as if British or Mughals never left. The difference is that earlier we could blame the British for such poverty and neglect, now we can blame ourselves, and that gives us a sense of responsibility to change it. That brings accountability to our own set of leaders.

    That is what we are expecting in Telangana. Earlier when there was no canal to our village, we had an excuse that it was Andhras who didn’t allow it. But after Telangana is formed there is no such excuse. The hope is that we will be able to hold our leaders accountable. That is a good thing to achieve.

    [Contd…]

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  12. Anonymous:

    [Continued from previous comment]

    The way people reason division or non-division is the evidence of their ignorance.

    And it is our attempt to educate them. There are some who are ignorant because they have no access to information or knowledge. And then there are some who chose to be ignorant, who don’t want to understand. You will find many such as commenters on my blog.

    But please understand that it is immensely impossible task to get everyone to the same level of information, knowledge and reasoning. It never happened in any political movement on this planet.

    Neither telangana, nor andhra has so far protected any kind of cultural identities.

    In comparison to who?

    But your state be it two or one, people are still so narrow thinking.

    And I would like to know who is broad thinking in this country that you find Telugu people so narrow thinking?

    Neither in Andhra nor in Telangan there is sufficient number of educational institutions be it primary edu or engg, medicine whatever.

    ;-)

    On the other hand we tend to believe that there are too many engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana. Again, with which state are you comparing?

    Sorry to say that no one seems to work on changing the system but people kill about keeping or breaking the state.

    We do have problems of our own. We intend to solve them. Breaking the state, as you see it, or having self-rule, as we see it, is an important step towards solving our problems.

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  13. 'They keep on ridiculing us. I am quite used to it by now.'

    @sujai - Why did you assume that everyone writing against your beloved Prof. Kodandram is from Andhra or Rayalaseema. Can't people from Telangana districts have their own opinions about the KCRs and the Kodandram Reddys? Don't just assume that everyone from Telangana is myopic, just like you are. If you need proof, please tour the towns and villages of Khammam district to learn the ground reality.

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  14. anon123:

    If you need proof, please tour the towns and villages of Khammam district to learn the ground reality.

    So, are you saying that towns and villages of Khammam are not for separate Telangana?

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  15. 'So, are you saying that towns and villages of Khammam are not for separate Telangana?'

    @sujai - Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying! We have freedom, self-respect, jobs, water. We do have problems, just like every other district in AP has. It doesn't mean we need a separate state. We don't need the KCRs and Kodandram Reddys to fight for us.

    What we need is non-corrupt, forward looking politicians and educated, well informed voters. We need our leaders to fight against child labor, better school infrastructure, better healthcare, better roads etc, NOT for a separate state. I don't remember any politician going on fast for any of these issues.

    We don't need regional quotas in jobs, but an education system that can prepare any student to compete for any job. This is not wishful thinking. Most of this can be achieved if we can set aside the differences and work for a common cause.

    I graduated from OU, College of Engg and it breaks my heart to see what's happening on the campus. If you agree or not, we all know that most of the 'students' in the JAC have other aspirations. I can only imagine the plight of real students who just want to graduate and get out of the campus.

    I'm not sure if you ever heard the following - 'Graduates from OU need not apply'. I know this is not true, but even if it's jokingly said, it is because of the people like Prof.Kodandram Reddy. And it's not just OU, most of the universities in AP are like that.

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  16. Sujai: "And then there are some who chose to be ignorant, who don’t want to understand. You will find many such as commenters on my blog".
    Don't you think you too fit the same class hand in glove. Yeah...am with you dude...its hard to identify one's self. "Kallu moosukoni paalu taage pilliki....you know the rest

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  17. anon123:

    Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying! We have freedom, self-respect, jobs, water.

    You are not answering my question. Are you saying that people of Khamman do not want a separate state?

    If so, where is your voice? In a democracy when a group wants to get special rights, or want to a separate voice, they form a lobby, either as a forum, as a party, or a committee to make a representation, use the freedom of speech to articulate their views and stance. Where is that group/forum/committee? I would like to hear their voice.

    We are of the opinion that Khammam, like rest of Telangana, wants to separate. Unless we hear your views on a forum it will be difficult to ascertain this assertion of yours that Khammam has freedom/self-respect/jobs/water which the rest of Telangana believes it doesn’t have.

    If indeed Khamman wants to go with Andhra they can make a case. We would love to hear it.

    If you agree or not, we all know that most of the 'students' in the JAC have other aspirations.

    Some do. Some don’t. Like in Indian National Congress, some did, some didn’t. Should we discredit Indian Independence Movement just because some INC members have other aspirations?

    I'm not sure if you ever heard the following - 'Graduates from OU need not apply'. I know this is not true, but even if it's jokingly said, it is because of the people like Prof.Kodandram Reddy. And it's not just OU, most of the universities in AP are like that.

    Well, you are clubbing two different aspects here. Please try to find out the reasons why some people do not trust degrees from OU. It has nothing to do with Telangana Movement.

    If you want to get responses from me, please make your arguments sensible and relevant.

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  18. "Well, you are clubbing two different aspects here. Please try to find out the reasons why some people do not trust degrees from OU. It has nothing to do with Telangana Movement. "
    You are wrong .It has to do with the Telangana agitation. The 'ban' was in place from 1970 to late 70s.It was because of the mass copying that the students resorted to since they found it difficult to read for the exams. Ask any graduate who passed in 70s.

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  19. The issue here is the son/daughter should actually blame his/her father/parents (and perhaps even his grand parents) for his/her backwardness. But conveniently he/she wants to blame the professors/lecturers/neighbors and anyone and everyone.

    It is easy to talk this nonsense of our hearts have separated and crap like that.

    Same crap like that is a question on democracy pf 4 vs 6 votes.

    So this means that if there are 10 people left on earth democracy is not the right principle.

    This is just a agitation that is contrived.

    The telangana agitation is all about something like "I sold my house to you" but after 20 years I will say "how is it yours?" because my grandfathers owned it for 100 years.

    Sheer opportunism this agitation and claim is all about.

    No point in getting into a debate.

    If there are 100 fools who say something and 100 more who believe it so what?

    Has anyone reading this ever fired an employee being an entrepreneur or HR, THEN you will find all shades of justifications in this telangana agitation. The guy who is being fired will not accept his/her shortcomings. They will keep saying its injustice. Can't help it.

    Life's hard. You better shine.

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  20. 'If so, where is your voice?' - It's being told to the people who matter. Have you ever seen/heard any people representative from Khammam asking for a separate state?

    'We are of the opinion that Khammam, like rest of Telangana' - That is your opinion, please keep it to yourself.

    'If indeed Khammam wants to go with Andhra they can make a case' - This is called jumping to a conclusion. Why did you assume that people of Khammam want to go with Andhra? People of Khammam district do not want a separate state and I believe that that the state will remain united.

    'Some do. Some don’t. Like in Indian National Congress' - Please do not insult the INC by comparing Telangana JACs with it. There was only one INC. I lost count of how many Telangana JACs we have and the less said the better about people leading these JACs.

    'Well, you are clubbing two different aspects here. Please try to find out the reasons why some people do not trust degrees from OU' - One of the reasons for lack of trust in OU degrees is because of teachers like Prof.Kodandram Reddy. If students create tension and horror on the campus, that is not excusable. But if that behavior encouraged by the teachers, what's the difference between them and the students?

    'If you want to get responses from me, please make your arguments sensible and relevant.' - If you cannot counter my arguments sensibly, you do not need to respond. I cannot force you, can I?

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  21. Even people of Hyderabad have a distinct culture from Telangana, Rayalseema and Andhra.

    What is common between any of these three regions with hyderabad.

    Cuisine is different. Culture is different.

    I am khayast in Hyderabad of 300 years and none in telangana has something simimilar to our culture.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayastha

    What nonensense are all these guys fighting.

    Hyderabad is different. And should be a different state.

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  22. mathur:

    A lot has been debated on this topic on this blog.

    You could look at:
    Telangana 53: Raj in Bangalore
    Telangana XXI: Status of Hyderabad
    Telangana XIX: Hyderabad a Union Territory?

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  23. "Hyderabad is different. And should be a different state."
    I agree, I feel as a Hyderabadi,I need my own self-respect.There is nothing in common with a guy from Karimnagar or Nalgonda with me. I don't understand his accent nor he can understand mine clearly. Hyderabad is a cosmopolitian city which accommodated Kayasthas,Anglos,Tamils,Kannadigas,Marathas,Muslims and Marwaris.We have our own unique culture that is
    clearly different from rest of Telangana.

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  24. anon123:

    This is called jumping to a conclusion. Why did you assume that people of Khammam want to go with Andhra? People of Khammam district do not want a separate state and I believe that that the state will remain united.

    Good. But rest of Telangana wants a separate state. You have a choice. You can be with Telangana, Andhra or Rayalaseema or ask for a new state for yourself. Good luck.

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  25. noname:

    It has to do with the Telangana agitation. The 'ban' was in place from 1970 to late 70s.

    Good. Please tell your Andhra friends that the Telangana agitation happened throughout 70s. They seem to have an opinion that it stopped after 1969.

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  26. But rest of Telangana wants a separate state. You have a choice. You can be with Telangana, Andhra or Rayalaseema or ask for a new state for yourself. Good luck.

    Sujai, thanks for the good wishes. But we don't need luck just to maintain status quo. On the other hand, I wish you bad luck, so state remains united.

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  27. Good. Please tell your Andhra friends that the Telangana agitation happened throughout 70s. They seem to have an opinion that it stopped after 1969.

    Nice try Sujai. The agitation stopped in 1969, but the ban must have continued as a result of what happened in 1969. The agitation revived ONLY after CBN denied a cabinet berth for KCR.

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  28. mathur:

    A lot has been debated on this topic on this blog.

    You could look at:
    Telangana 53: Raj in Bangalore
    Telangana XXI: Status of Hyderabad
    Telangana XIX: Hyderabad a Union Territory?

    That's what sujai said. And its absolute nonsense.

    Hyderabad was always different. Not now as a cosmo city like some claim. But even as a city otherwise. All the three guys - telangana, rayalseema or andhra - have nothing to do with this region. It is distinctly different.

    People may want to claim it and give various sophisticated reasons for it but this city and we Hyderabad people are different.

    We dont want any of your three regions.

    We want a separate state.

    Cant you understand so much or do you want to be philosophically or ideologically dishonest.

    All your articles amount to nothing. They dont say how telangana and hyderabad are similar or share a culture. You only fight with andhras etc which is not our interest.

    Hyderabad should be a separate state.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayastha

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  29. "Good. Please tell your Andhra friends that the Telangana agitation happened throughout 70s. They seem to have an opinion that it stopped after 1969."
    I knew you would ask that question.You are intelligent to infer.When the agitation happened in 69 the academic year was lost. The malpractices in the Universities continued for years.The 'ban' was in effect till the 10th Standard batch of 1970s passed out their degree examinations .The teachers lent a blind eye to the malpractices and nobody could do anything about that.Hope you understand it now.

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  30. ""Good. Please tell your Andhra friends that the Telangana agitation happened throughout 70s. They seem to have an opinion that it stopped after 1969."
    The agitation stopped in 1970 when your leaders sold out to Delhi.If the agitation had continued atleast till 1972 when Jai Andhra agitation has started,Telangana and Andhra would have been separate.When the Jai Andhra agitation went on,the Telangana leaders became integrationists.

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  31. "The 'ban' was in effect till the 10th Standard batch of 1970s passed out their degree examinations. "
    10th Standard batch of 1970/71.Ask anybody he will tell you that.Because of the agitation effects nobody dared to enter Osmania University for education,the joined it only to pass their exams. The University and Govt lent a Nelson's eye towards exams.
    Can you deny that?

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  32. Hi Srujai,

    This is anonymous renamed Anirudha. I am from Karnataka. Certainly I am not denying the fact that granulating provinces helps in better management and holding people accountable. However after so much madness to atomize if you like (not breaking) the state, if it remains exactly where it is, that's shame. I don't expect miracle, yet, pity that Andhra and Telangana will become smaller loops of problems. Along with that, well I'd be interested to know what is your opinion of Hydbd, families settled in Andhra or Telangana who has their business or assets in the opp. side? AP is the 4th biggest in area and 5th biggest in population (wiki) I am assuming the top 3 or 4 stages dint have to split themselves to manage themselves. You search for Loksatta AP.. tell me what you find, and do the same for karnataka, kerala and other such states. The only conclusion I get from the all the sources of news I read, is that somehow that whether the ministers are from Andhra or from Telangana they failed terribly to uplift the backwards districts of telanga and make Andhra prosper. That is the root of this frustration ppl got. I wish you good luck on whatever you wish to see your state like. End of the day its important we use our education and knowledge in helping our people our communities and country.

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  33. Btw..

    "Neither in Andhra nor in Telangan there is sufficient number of educational institutions be it primary edu or engg, medicine whatever."

    I like your grin on that, cuz I do the same when I see every engineering institute in Karnataka even the ones we discard as its not got good faculty, is flooded with AP and Bihar students. If only you could accommodate those students. Yeah of course they might be from Andhra :P who pay damn huge donation .. which kannadiga will say.. I better study arts instead of wasting so much money ;). I spoke to atleast 10 AP people till now in abroad, none of them could tell me 3-4 names of poets in AP who lived in 1900-2000.. thats to do with language and cultural identity. When you love your land for its culture, litrature and folk.. you will want to uplift it, bring it forward.. else .. you will remain .. selfish traveller.. who goes finding places to settle in foreign countries.

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  34. Correction to my first comment.

    Lokaykta, the Anti corruption body.(not loksatta.)

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  35. In Telengana there is a stereotype that andhrites are hardworking and intelligent, but they are proving to be morons, samykandhra idiots take the words of lgpati as a gospel and repeat them like trained parrots or goats sayin "meyeeh.."
    They make absurd argumentrs and try to prove their skewed logic by using more absurd claims.
    Example: 1.(They say "no favortism can be shown while correcting papers because the papers are coded" u dont need to be a linguistic expert or a code breaker to identify the writin style as telengana even a 7th class person can identify it).

    2. They say "if u get gud marks in written apsc there is no gaurantee that u shud get gud mrks in intrvw"
    So it must be a coincidence that while telengana students are toppers in written they are the least in intrws while seemandhra are opposite,how strange but we shud accept the andhra words however dumb it may sound.

    3. They say saymkyanhdhra moment is a patriotic moment at the same time equating their fellow citizens to pakstani speratists.How patriotic.

    4.They say we should remain as "One" society , at the same time ridiculing and showing open hostility to the people of telengana. There were some people in telengana who didnt believe KCR and thought problems could be worked out in a united state.U people smashed their hopes.(and saymkhandhra movement itself in telengana).

    4. They say telengana people are natural "idiots" and that andhra are genius as they get all top ranks in emacet so we shudnt expect seats in apsc. Even i thought so.
    But why telengana people are toppers in "written" apsc exam.

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  36. Aditya,

    Every day I see 10s of Telugu students from Hyderabad who clear technical tests with 90% score. When they come for an interview I feel sad because 70% of them can't communicate and don't get selected. I keep wondering why we should reject them because 90% of the time they will be behind a computer and possibly will never interact with a human. Yet there are good reaons why all companies do it and we have to accept the norms.

    As far as APPSC is concerned you need to look at data of all students who scored high and check their inetrview marks and see if there are regional discrepancies there. If you have watched TV, there are many students from Andhra/Seema who also showed how they got very high marks in the written exam but poor marks in the interviews.

    You can file an application under RTI and ask for details of students who got selected in last 5-10 years and then draw some conclusions.

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  37. anon 123,

    I have been arguing on similar lines. Based on my limited research, I also argue that people in Mahaboobnagar district want a united state. But how can this be proved? Very difficult.
    If you ask me to stand up in the panchayat of Yelleru village of Kolhapuram Tq and talk of a united state I can do it. But if you ask me to stand inside OU campus and do it...can I? Can I do it in Warangal? Karimnagar?
    What do people in such situations do? The same as what the majority of students in OU campus used to do during the PDSU/ABVP days....keep quiet and bear with it and do what you were there to do. You cannot go against the goons. Suaji knows that when he says form a group in Khammam.

    It is my opinion that the only way is for people to use the elections to convey their choice. If TRS had got 60% votes I would accept the verdict. Let all Telanganites decide that they will vote only for the TRS as an indicator of their choice. And ofcourse the TDP and PRP should get near zero votes.

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  38. POK, anon123:

    We don't want to create Telangana against the wishes of its people. So far, it has been our assumption that most of Telangana except those pockets where people have migrated from outside Telangana have been supportive of this cause. We could be wrong. Therefore, it is extremely important to create a voice, a group, or forum, to make it clear that Khammam and Mahbubnagar do not want to be part of Telangana.

    Now, there is a problem when you argue for united state, because rest of Telangana have already made up their mind to get separated. Either you join them in creating a new Telangana or you are free to join Andhra or Rayalaseema.

    Just because you find self-respect/freedom/water it is not a good idea to deprive the rest of Telangana the same.

    Just because you find it easy under British Empire because you enjoy the benefits directly from the British Crown, it does not make sense to oppose entire India from getting independence from the British. All you can do at that point of time is argue for your region or district, not for all others.

    Right now you have a choice. Its not too late. If you don't want to be part of new Telangana. Please make it clear.

    It took long time for rest of Telangana to get here. In 1980s and 1990s when there was no mainstream political agitation going on, some local leaders kept the torch alive amongst the masses. We were ridiculed when we spoke of separate Telangana back in those days. My good friends told me that it is a pipe dream and felt quite surprised that an 'educated and literate' person like me can believe in imaginary and impossible things.

    We never knew about KCR or Kodandaram back then, but we still wanted separate Telangana.

    Thankfully, there were many stalwarts who kept the torch burning, kept the hope alive, educated as many people as possible, and some politicians decided to cash in on the sentiment that was already available.

    Is there something wrong with politicians cashing in on the sentiment? Not really. We as people need politicians, and politicians need us.

    They can deliver things that we cannot on our own. Therefore, we coerce them to toe the line. Sometimes its people who want it more badly than the politicians. That's the case in Telangana. (may be, rest of Telangana, because you seem to have the opinion that Mahbubnagar and Khammam are against separation).

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  39. POK:

    It is my opinion that the only way is for people to use the elections to convey their choice. If TRS had got 60% votes I would accept the verdict. Let all Telanganites decide that they will vote only for the TRS as an indicator of their choice. And ofcourse the TDP and PRP should get near zero votes.

    You are being unreasonable here. And I am quite sure you know that. If you are not able to see it, please ask your kid when is around 12 and ask him what he thinks of your opinion. He will find it unreasonable.

    In a democracy you cannot make all people vote for one party. That happens only in dictatorships. In Indian context, because of lack of referendums, you can make your local leader talk against Telangana. If he knows that his constituency is against Telangana he will definitely start talking against separate Telangana.

    If other parties also endorse Telangana and if other parties also win in Telangana, it can only be assumed that most people want Telangana. I know there are deficiencies in that conclusion but it is the best one can do in the current context (in absence of a referendum).

    However, if your local leader talks against separate Telangana and still wins, then it is clear that your people don't want Telangana. Then, I will be one of the strongest advocates of not including your districts in new Telangana.

    The onus of proving that you don't want separate Telangana is on you - Mahbubnagar and Khammam.

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  40. Sujai,

    Fully agree with above post.

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  42. Dude Sujai....
    can you enlighten us on this concept of ''HYD as second capital''?Would that make things more miserable for Telanganities as Andhras could stll have their capital in Hyderabad...????

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  43. preetham:

    can you enlighten us on this concept of ''HYD as second capital''?

    I am not sure who proposed this.

    Would that make things more miserable for Telanganities as Andhras could stll have their capital in Hyderabad...????

    We are not ready for sharing our capital city Hyderabad with Andhras at this point of time.

    Worst case, we will build a new capital in another city but not ready to share.

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  44. @POK

    OOh i see then telengana people must be missin a "smart gene" that u andhra guys have and that must be accounting to all these discrepancies. well most telengana guys dont have computers to sit at home and stare at them like u andhra sloths, most telenganites are multilingual unlike u people they are open and warm. May be u dont see telengana guys at ur organization selected because u can only "connect" with ur own people and ur biased against our people.
    Einstien its not so easy to get info by filing RTI when govt doesnt want to . Our students had to try for 1year to get this apsc info released so dont try to show ur "andhra thelvi" here.

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  45. "We are not ready for sharing our capital city Hyderabad with Andhras at this point of time."
    Sorry your opinion doesn't count.Your darling leaders Harish and KCR are ready to share for atleast 10 years.In India you know what that means-Chandigarh is a live example.Nothing will happen.Worst case AP will be divided and Telangana will preside its destiny with Hyderabad as joint capital.

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  46. Aditya,

    Now you see why companies say Telugu people lack communication skills. look at yourself - i never mentioned telangana in my post- i referred to telugu people. I was commenting that most of those being recruited are from other states.

    as for group 1 data- if you are serious you can get it- thru rti from apiic or simply by bribing the clerks there. try it my friend and then report here. or wait for a few days and those who have already collected this info will publish it somewhere. have people already taken this data? just ask the guy in apiic office and he will tell you how many people have come to collect this data already.

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  47. @POK and all other andhra loosers

    May be there is some “support” for samykhanhra and “resistance” for telengana in some districts like RR and Khammam, But I think most of it comes from Real Estate developers in RR who hav big bucks and influence local politics even at the panchayat level, well most of the people feel left behind in the “land boom” and many are landless and with very less land to begin with , though overall there will be a negative effect on RR due to separation atleast in the shortrun, but these people are not commercial types like “andhras” to wage movements to maintain “ Property values” . There are large populations of Lambadas and other tribal people around Hyderabad who didn’t see any profit from the land boom and many resent it cause they saw , their landed peasantry neighbours and migrants reap huge profits and they are left behind, these are the people who burnt the buses and smashed the window panes of vehicles during the first agitation, these are the people who have to use toddy instead of milk for nutrition, , these people will fight because they got nothing to loose and are ready to believe any promise made by KCR, god help any “andhrite” they get their hands on after dec31st.
    Coming to Khammam the 3rd richest district if u go by gdp per capita, it has a huge population of Andhra settlers, but most of the rural population is of tribals who are the poorest of the poor and neglected by the “settler” administration , think if there is violence after dec31st Khammam will exceed that of hyd because its not an easy place to maintain order by deploying a few battalions of CRPF.

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  48. @sujai

    I think “ bus burning “ is a good thing ,because most of them are a piece of crap anyway and older than 15years and have to be legally condemned. We are doing free service to the govt. So I want the newyear to be greeted with a huge bonfire of buses and I don’t mind a few Andhra people tossed inside them.

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  49. "I think “ bus burning “ is a good thing ,because most of them are a piece of crap anyway and older than 15years and have to be legally condemned. We are doing free service to the govt. So I want the newyear to be greeted with a huge bonfire of buses and I don’t mind a few Andhra people tossed inside them."
    LOL!!:):) .great idea.All the best for your great enterprise.Maybe millions too would like to join you.Count us in.
    Burn the buses,maul the masses,throw these asses,run training classes,long live madness. God bless Telangana Ulysses .

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  50. andhras looted water from telangana !! says someone here.

    can anyone show how. If krishna water flows into andhra because there are no projects in mbnr or nalgonda why blame andhras and call them looters. blame the politicians of these districts.
    looting means stealing something that is in telangana. someone explain how an andhraite from srikakulam or vizianagaram or vizag or chittoor or anantapur can be called as a water looters?
    the water flows into krishna/guntur. if projects are built in mbnr the water can be used. why should the andhras be called as looters for the failure of telangana politicians. if ysr could do it now, what prevented the politicinas from doing it 30 years ago.

    it is wrong to call andhras as water looters. such terms are alienating those andhras who don't care whether t is formed or not. today the krishna water is flowing into the sea. godavari water is flowing into the sea. why should the andhraite be blamed?

    telangana suffered in education due to historic reasons of the nizam rule. the villages of telangana were practically converted to deserts by the nizam. the people at large (except a few velamas and reddys)were too poor to be educated. unlike the andhras who had the benefit of education due to the foresight of their politicians and the british, the telangana villagers had to first survive. unfortunately just after the formation of the state of ap, when things would have improved, the naxal issue put back everything into the backburner. so why should the andhras be blamed for this education mess. did any andhraite ask the telanganite not to study. if you put aside the rich distrcits of guntir, krishna, EG and WG & Nellore...the status of the villages was not better in other andhra districts.
    yes..a lot of them migrated to hyderabad. but that number was still a small % of their population. they migrated to TN, Karnataka, orissa and other states. did any andhraite ask the telanganite not to migrate?

    after the formation of AP a lot of andhras more specifically Brahmins from guntur, krishna got govt jobs. can you therefore say that andraites stole jobs. a few did...by giving jobs to their kith and kin but not the vast majority.
    did any andhraite loot the land from karimnagar or mbnr or nizamabad etc? buying land and farming it cannot be called stealing. stealing of land if at all took place only in the last 5-10 years and that too around hyderabad.

    Sujai has been clear all along in not issuing such statements. he understands the truth. his argument is that telanganites are different from andharites and therefore want a separate state just as andhraites considered themselves to be diff from the madrasis.

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  51. someone explain how an andhraite from srikakulam or vizianagaram or vizag or chittoor or anantapur can be called as a water looters?


    1. Not every one in Pakistan are our enemy, but we just say that Pakistan is our enemy as collective.
    2. Germans has to face the distruction in second world war because of the Nazis actions, but same time not all Germans are nazais.
    3. We say our prime minister is Mr. Singh, but not every indian vote for congress.

    why should the andhras be called as looters for the failure of telangana politicians.

    Because our politicians can not win in Andhra majority govt. It is proved again in recent APPSC issue.

    it is wrong to call andhras as water looters. such terms are alienating those andhras who don't care whether t is formed or not.

    The same applies when your guys called us nazal, lazy, drunkers etc etc. First talk to your guys and come back to us.

    the naxal issue put back everything into the backburner.

    Actually I was in the impression that there are more number of naxal effected districts in Andhra than Telangana (identified by central govt), and same time you need to understand why Naxal movement started?

    yes..a lot of them migrated to hyderabad. but that number was still a small % of their population. they migrated to TN, Karnataka, orissa and other states. did any andhraite ask the telanganite not to migrate?

    thats correct, but same time you can not claim the places where ever you migrated, so HYD belongs to Telangana, period.

    after the formation of AP a lot of andhras more specifically Brahmins from guntur, krishna got govt jobs. can you therefore say that andraites stole jobs.

    Why do you forget the historical facts, AP CM in 1960-1970 periods they did accepted that there are some violations in govt jobs, there are some govt jobs belongs to telangan llegally given to andhra, if you say it is because of curruption, then there should be some jobs(belongs to Andhra) occupied by telanga@, but not.

    did any andhraite loot the land from karimnagar or mbnr or nizamabad etc

    Read the news regarding the HYD ring road land scams etc. In recent events in all the major scams, the names only belongs to Andhra@

    buying land and farming it cannot be called stealing.

    Yes, but it is called colonizing. Which distroyes the locals and there culture, and it is proved many times in the history, for example North america.

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  55. Sorry your opinion doesn't count.Your darling leaders Harish and KCR are ready to share for atleast 10 years

    Yup, this could be happen only after your darling leaders leave the united andhra crap.

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  56. Would that make things more miserable for Telanganities as Andhras could stll have their capital in Hyderabad...????

    The same happen to you if you give your vijayawada, vijaz, tirupati to Telangana.

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  57. t is my opinion that the only way is for people to use the elections to convey their choice. If TRS had got 60% votes I would accept the verdict. Let all Telanganites decide that they will vote only for the TRS as an indicator of their choice. And ofcourse the TDP and PRP should get near zero votes.

    So, why dont you try all of Seemandra people vote for only PRP, and Congress, TDP etc should get zero seats. SO then we believe whole seemandra people are against separation. Ok?

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  58. Anonymous:

    andhras looted water from telangana !! says someone here. can anyone show how.

    By not constructing the projects that were proposed for bringing water to Telangana.

    If krishna water flows into andhra because there are no projects in mbnr or nalgonda why blame andhras and call them looters. blame the politicians of these districts.

    State Assembly is controlled by Seemandhra politicians because they are in the majority. There is no fun in blaming the local politicians of Telangana because they are in a minority. Even if they gang up together as single voice, they would still get defeated, as happened in the past.

    looting means stealing something that is in telangana. someone explain how an andhraite from srikakulam or vizianagaram or vizag or chittoor or anantapur can be called as a water looters?

    When we call Andhras looters, we are talking about stealing the water that actually belongs to Telangana as provisioned in Bachawat Tribunals and other agreements but was never given. We collectively call all Andhras as Andhras and don’t differentiate between Andhras of each district because when it comes to matters of Telangana they vote in one voice. Only recently we are seeing some dissenting voices, which is a small relief, but doesn’t make difference coming at this point of time, and that too in such small numbers.

    if projects are built in mbnr the water can be used.

    That’s what we intend to do once Telangana forms.

    it is wrong to call andhras as water looters. such terms are alienating those andhras who don't care whether t is formed or not.

    We would readily embrace those Andhras who voice their opinion against their own leaders to help the cause of Telangana.

    why should the andhraite be blamed?

    Please read ‘Telangana 40: Why blame all Andhras?’ on this blog.

    telangana suffered in education due to historic reasons of the nizam rule.

    And also due to neglect and discrimination from Andhras after the merger in 1956.


    unfortunately just after the formation of the state of ap, when things would have improved, the naxal issue put back everything into the backburner. so why should the andhras be blamed for this education mess.

    Naxal problem happened because Andhras denied Telanganas their promised safeguards in Gentlemen’s Agreement/Article 371 and because they suppressed 1969 agitation ruthlessly and callously.

    did any andhraite ask the telanganite not to migrate?

    Well, you should ask yourself this question. If Telanganas could migrate to so many places in India, why were they unwelcome in Andhra?

    can you therefore say that andraites stole jobs.

    Yes. Otherwise there would be no GO 610.

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  59. WHY DONT WE CALL LAMBADAS SETTLERS

    Even lambadi people were migrants who settled in telengana, they have a distinct culture and language but unlike andhra assoles they didnt regard themselves as any superior to the natives and they integrated in to the fabric of telengana society and now they are in forefront in the fight for telengana.

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  60. @aditya
    i dont consider u different in anyway from adolf hitler
    nuvvu kuda vaadilagane edo roju suicide chesukovadam khayam

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  61. @ADITYA
    did u speak to ATLEAST one poor/middle class personm from andhra region?
    do u know anything about their problems?
    without doing that, how can u brand them using filthy language

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  62. Aditya,

    So you have no problem with the Lambada who has come from rajasthan, gets himself ST status in this state, takes away jobs that could have gone to Telangana STs, gets land rights from the state, creates his separate Thandas and now wants these thandas to be recognised as distinct entities from the villages where they were set up.

    But you have a problem with an 'Andhraite' who comes and settles down in the same village,
    brings capital, buys land, brings in better farming practices that he has seen elsewhere, slogs his ass of and makes money.

    And you have no complaint about the Marwadi who lends to the farmer at 100% interest in Adilabad, sells him seeds in black, sells pesticides in black, sells fertilizer in black, contracts to buy his cotton at low prices, pays him after 6 months after deducting interest !!

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  63. "State Assembly is controlled by Seemandhra politicians because they are in the majority. There is no fun in blaming the local politicians of Telangana because they are in a minority. Even if they gang up together as single voice, they would still get defeated, as happened in the past. "
    When did it happen ? Was there a division on regional lines?

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  64. "Naxal problem happened because Andhras denied Telanganas their promised safeguards in Gentlemen’s Agreement/Article 371 and because they suppressed 1969 agitation ruthlessly and callously. "
    Cool.So Naxalism that has its roots in Srikakulam and championed by Kailasam and Sanyal,which subsequently spread all over the country is because of Telangana issue? Kondapally Seetaramaiah and Chandra Pulla Reddy became involved since they could not tolerate the Central govt ruthlessly and callously suppressing the 1969 agitation. IS that the inference?

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  65. By not constructing the projects that were proposed for bringing water to Telangana.
    What projects have not been constructed. Do you care to even look at the physiological map of Telangana and talk like these dumb politicians on the street who at best parrot what others tell them rather than to apply their own grey matter.
    Looking at the map tell me where the projects should have been constructed and where they haven't been constructed.
    "When we call Andhras looters, we are talking about stealing the water that actually belongs to Telangana as provisioned in Bachawat Tribunals and other agreements but was never given."

    Did you ever read the Bachawat Tribunal award? Where are the region wise allocations.Can you put it out on your website.
    The Telangana farmers are lazy asses and careless who are too lethargic to toil on their own lands and you call Andhra's looters.The Telangana so called paper tigers roar now with a hoarse voice what happened to their voice before 2009,The modern day equivalents of Rip Wan Winkles. This is democracy babu ,you just cannot accumulate long pending things deferring them until the Govt becomes vulnerable. if your leaders or their forefathers were so strong they would have fought the Nizam long back.Your argument is like Blacks seeking remedial action now for the Slave trade or Japan pestering the US everyday asking them now to settle the damages for Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing. Whatever happened during Nizam's rule is history and you can't link the present and future with what happened 60 years ago. Definetely things have progressed and the Telangana is on the brighter side.Acknowledge that.Simply weaving a tapestry of wild lamentation of deeds that happened scores of years ago is not going to drive you towards what you perceive is the goal.
    It is the birth right of Andhra to settle down in Hyderabad or Telangana or wherever they want.
    Even if Telangana forms then it is the right of Andhra or any Indian to settle in Telangana and continue the what they are doing right now.If andhras are looters they you should be ashamed of getting tutored by Andhra professors in REC Warangal.You should have quit your studies since even after 1969 Andhra professors continued to teach. Kakatiya University was full of Andhras and Tamils.I know you know this fact.

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  66. POK:

    The way you frame your questions, it is evident you don’t understand Telangana issue. And I am sure you are not making any efforts to understand it either. You come here only to poke holes in our arguments, find trivial discrepancies, and make fun of Telanganas. You have no genuine interest whatsoever to understand the ground realities.

    The answers below are not exactly directed at you, because I am quite sure you will read them to find more holes in the argument rather than make sense of it, but to those others who have similar doubts but have interest to know what Telangana Movement is all about.

    So you have no problem with the Lambada who has come from rajasthan, gets himself ST status in this state, takes away jobs that could have gone to Telangana STs,

    Yes. We have no problem with them. They are not the privileged group, but unprivileged group. Their representation in jobs, education and employment is quite less compared to their population (which is not the case with Andhras living in Telangana).

    But you have a problem with an 'Andhraite' who comes and settles down in the same village,
    brings capital, buys land, brings in better farming practices that he has seen elsewhere, slogs his ass of and makes money.


    No, We don’t have a problem with an ‘Andhraite’ who settles down in Telangana, brings his capital, buys lands, and farms that land.

    But we do have problems with the following:
    1. Andhras who rule us with the majority of Seemandhra MLAs in State Assembly.
    2. Andhras who take up jobs in Telangana that should have rightfully gone to people living in Telangana (including Lambadas). These jobs are deemed illegal even by GOs.
    3. Andhras who take up water that should rightfully belong to Telanganas.
    4. Andhras who divert resources and funds that should rightfully belong to Telanganas.

    And you have no complaint about the Marwadi who lends to the farmer at 100% interest in Adilabad, sells him seeds in black, sells pesticides in black, sells fertilizer in black, contracts to buy his cotton at low prices, pays him after 6 months after deducting interest !!

    What you said above could be done by anyone, a Marwadi, a Telangana, a Andhra, a Muslim. We do have problems with ANYONE who does what you described above, but we don’t have complaints on the group he represents. Those complaints are against individuals. Existing laws of the land take care of such individuals irrespective of their identity.

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  67. Anonymous:

    When did it happen ? Was there a division on regional lines?

    Are you from Andhra Pradesh? If so, please do not ask this question, and instead go through history of Andhra Pradesh since 1956 and count the innumerable times when Seemandhras united against Telanganas.

    If you are not from Andhra Pradesh, this is question is too premature to ask. You need to a little more about Telangana and its movement before I can answer this. There are nearly 60 articles on this topic on this blog and comments following each post are an immense contribution too.

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  68. Anonymous:

    Cool.So Naxalism that has its roots in Srikakulam and championed by Kailasam and Sanyal,which subsequently spread all over the country is because of Telangana issue?

    Actually Naxalism has its roots in West Bengal. Actually Maoism has roots in China. Actually Communism has its roots in Russia. Actually Marxism has its roots in Europe. So we can’t say that Telanganas embraced Naxalism because of what happened in Russia. Can we?

    Though Naxalism could have origins elsewhere it was embraced in Telangana because of issues relating to Telangana. You have to see this in that context. There is more on this at:

    Telangana 49: Naxals
    http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/telangana-49-naxals.html

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  69. Anonymous:

    What projects have not been constructed.

    There are nearly ten irrigation projects that are proposed but not constructed in Telangana. You can search them on the web. There are many discussing this. Any book on Telangana describes them in detail.

    Do you care to even look at the physiological map of Telangana and talk like these dumb politicians on the street who at best parrot what others tell them rather than to apply their own grey matter.

    My impressions on Telangana and the movement are independent of the politicians. I don’t listen to these dumb politicians. Looks like the only people who listen to these dumb politicians are detractors of Telangana Movement. People like us listen to the irrigation officers, the chiefs who retired, who formed JACs and published pamphlets and books detailing the projects and its details. So, my knowledge or awareness on these topics is NOT from dumb politicians.

    In fact, many officers, professors, engineers have created reports and continuously feed our politicians with the data. Otherwise, I am not sure if our ‘dumb’ politicians could actually talk about these projects.

    Did you ever read the Bachawat Tribunal award? Where are the region wise allocations.Can you put it out on your website.

    The detractors of Telangana Movement have to become consistent in their counter arguments. Seemandhras cite Nalamotu for all their arguments who in turn uses Bachawat. So, why don’t you start with Nalamotu’s book (available online) before asking these questions to us?

    The Telangana farmers are lazy asses and careless who are too lethargic to toil on their own lands and you call Andhra's looters.

    Should India be denied freedom because British think Indians are ‘lazy asses and careless who are too lethargic to toil’? Not a good argument.

    This is democracy babu ,you just cannot accumulate long pending things deferring them until the Govt becomes vulnerable.

    Why not?

    Your argument is like Blacks seeking remedial action now for the Slave trade or Japan pestering the US everyday asking them now to settle the damages for Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.

    What is wrong with that?

    It is the birth right of Andhra to settle down in Hyderabad or Telangana or wherever they want.
    Even if Telangana forms then it is the right of Andhra or any Indian to settle in Telangana and continue the what they are doing right now.


    Agree. Nobody denies this.

    If andhras are looters they you should be ashamed of getting tutored by Andhra professors in REC Warangal.You should have quit your studies since even after 1969 Andhra professors continued to teach. Kakatiya University was full of Andhras and Tamils.I know you know this fact.

    So why did Andhras went to education system implemented by British. Why did they participate in elections and held offices under British? Why didn’t they go and dismantle irrigation projects built by British?

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  70. "Yes. We have no problem with them. They are not the privileged group, but unprivileged group. Their representation in jobs, education and employment is quite less compared to their population (which is not the case with Andhras living in Telangana). "


    Why should the lambadas representation in education be proportionate to their popln? It depends on how many of them are willing to go to school and how many of those have the resources to study. It is because they had no resources that they migrated to Telangana from rajasthan. Privileged or not, these settlers from rajasthan have taken away jobs from Telangana people. So T people should be against them too.
    What difference does it make whether the 'job grabber' is rich or poor , whether from 'Andhra' or 'Rajasthan'.


    "No, We don’t have a problem with an ‘Andhraite’ who settles down in Telangana, brings his capital, buys lands, and farms that land."

    But there are many on this blog and other forums who call such people also as 'looters'.

    "But we do have problems with the following:
    1. Andhras who rule us with the majority of Seemandhra MLAs in State Assembly."

    I have not understood your long standing use of the word 'rule' and so we will take it up later.

    "2. Andhras who take up jobs in Telangana that should have rightfully gone to people living in Telangana (including Lambadas). These jobs are deemed illegal even by GOs. "

    So will you accept that like the lambadas those andhraites who have migrated to T also have a right to those jobs?

    If there are jobs that by law should have gone to T people and have not gone to them, let the issues be taken up politically and legally.

    "3. Andhras who take up water that should rightfully belong to Telanganas."

    Which Andhraite has "stolen" water.
    Like I have stated before, if there are no projects in MBNR, the Krishna water flows to Krishna district. Let MBNR, Nalgonda use up the water that 'rightfully' belongs to them. Why are you not taking it up with the leaders in Delhi, Jaipal Reddy etc. All these years no politician from MBNR has ever ever ever raised his voice in the assebmly or parliament about building projects on Krishna. It is their greatest failure towards MBNR. Even today all MBNR politicians include our beloved MP care too hoots for the district. They are busy looting the resources. Busy buying land all along the canals. AND THE SAME BUGGERS EVEN NOW...YES '2010' ARE PARTNERING WITH THE SAME 'LOOTERS FROM ANDHRA' AND BUYING LAND. Even at the height of the T movement today, people in MBNR are selling their lands to buyers from Coastal Andhra. Does the Telanganite not see any benefit from the Canals?Why are the 'intellectuals' not educating them? So whom do you blame? The Andhraite? Why?

    "4. Andhras who divert resources and funds that should rightfully belong to Telanganas."

    Let us wait for some statistics to emerge on the funds spent in last 50 years in various districts.

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  71. "Yes. We have no problem with them. They are not the privileged group, but unprivileged group. Their representation in jobs, education and employment is quite less compared to their population (which is not the case with Andhras living in Telangana). "


    Why should the lambadas representation in education be proportionate to their popln? It depends on how many of them are willing to go to school and how many of those have the resources to study. It is because they had no resources that they migrated to Telangana from rajasthan. Privileged or not, these settlers from rajasthan have taken away jobs from Telangana people. So T people should be against them too.
    What difference does it make whether the 'job grabber' is rich or poor , whether from 'Andhra' or 'Rajasthan'.


    "No, We don’t have a problem with an ‘Andhraite’ who settles down in Telangana, brings his capital, buys lands, and farms that land."

    But there are many on this blog and other forums who call such people also as 'looters'.

    "But we do have problems with the following:
    1. Andhras who rule us with the majority of Seemandhra MLAs in State Assembly."

    I have not understood your long standing use of the word 'rule' and so we will take it up later.

    "2. Andhras who take up jobs in Telangana that should have rightfully gone to people living in Telangana (including Lambadas). These jobs are deemed illegal even by GOs. "

    So will you accept that like the lambadas those andhraites who have migrated to T also have a right to those jobs?

    If there are jobs that by law should have gone to T people and have not gone to them, let the issues be taken up politically and legally.

    "3. Andhras who take up water that should rightfully belong to Telanganas."

    Which Andhraite has "stolen" water.
    Like I have stated before, if there are no projects in MBNR, the Krishna water flows to Krishna district. Let MBNR, Nalgonda use up the water that 'rightfully' belongs to them. Why are you not taking it up with the leaders in Delhi, Jaipal Reddy etc. All these years no politician from MBNR has ever ever ever raised his voice in the assebmly or parliament about building projects on Krishna. It is their greatest failure towards MBNR. Even today all MBNR politicians include our beloved MP care too hoots for the district. They are busy looting the resources. Busy buying land all along the canals. AND THE SAME BUGGERS EVEN NOW...YES '2010' ARE PARTNERING WITH THE SAME 'LOOTERS FROM ANDHRA' AND BUYING LAND. Even at the height of the T movement today, people in MBNR are selling their lands to buyers from Coastal Andhra. Does the Telanganite not see any benefit from the Canals?Why are the 'intellectuals' not educating them? So whom do you blame? The Andhraite? Why?

    "4. Andhras who divert resources and funds that should rightfully belong to Telanganas."

    Let us wait for some statistics to emerge on the funds spent in last 50 years in various districts.

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  72. REC Warangal.You should have quit your studies since even after 1969 Andhra professors continued to teach. Kakatiya University was full of Andhras and Tamils.I know you know this fact.

    Why should we quit our studies, we make those professors to quit.

    And this agitation started because of over flooded Andhra govt employees in Telangana (like you said Kakatiya University was full of Andhras).

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  73. It is because they had no resources that they migrated to Telangana from rajasthan. Privileged or not, these settlers from rajasthan have taken away jobs from Telangana people. So T people should be against them too.

    Nope, we are not against to anyone including Andhra@ who get the job in Telangana legally.

    We observed many of the Andhra@ stole our Govt job illegally (by bribing, by using power, using fake domicile documents etc). And this violations are enough big that we can not just ignore.

    Even after Telangana separation Andnra@ can still come to Telangana settle here, get the domicile statues and compete to jobs legally.

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  74. POK:

    Why should the lambadas representation in education be proportionate to their popln?

    I knew you wouldn’t understand. And you didn’t. Please understand why SCs have nearly 15% and STs have 7.5% reservations. If you can work hard and understand this, most probably you will understand Telangana Movement.

    Privileged or not, these settlers from rajasthan have taken away jobs from Telangana people. So T people should be against them too.

    Telangana people may not fight against them, but you can.

    I have not understood your long standing use of the word 'rule' and so we will take it up later.

    Do not skip the most important part of the lesson. Otherwise you will wake up and ask all kinds of funny question later. This is vital to understanding Telangana Movement. Did you ever read Gentlemen’s Agreement? Its available on Wiki.

    So will you accept that like the lambadas those andhraites who have migrated to T also have a right to those jobs?

    But not those Andhras who got fake certificates or flouted the rules. GO 610 clearly makes their jobs illegal. But that GO is not being passed in the State Assembly because it is dominated by Seemandhras. Its basics. 1 times 1 is 1. 1 times 2 is 2…

    If there are jobs that by law should have gone to T people and have not gone to them, let the issues be taken up politically and legally.

    Wake up. Wake up. GO 610…
    Entire 1969 Telangana agitation was based on this. Sometimes people stump with their dumbness. How could you spend so much time writing comments on this blog and not even read the basic stuff that pertains to this agitation?

    Do you come here only to write inane comments or do you even spend 2 minutes trying to read up on the topic?

    [contd…]

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  75. POK:

    [Continued from previous comment]

    Let MBNR, Nalgonda use up the water that 'rightfully' belongs to them.

    For that AP should build the projects it has proposed. It is not building those projects. Hence a case for Telangana. If this is not clear. You should ask a 12-year kid read this and let him explain it to you.

    Why are you not taking it up with the leaders in Delhi, Jaipal Reddy etc.

    We are. It is called Telangana Movement. ;-)

    All these years no politician from MBNR has ever ever ever raised his voice in the assebmly or parliament about building projects on Krishna.

    And when some politicians did, you call them fools, fanatics, T-state agitators!

    It is their greatest failure towards MBNR. Even today all MBNR politicians include our beloved MP care too hoots for the district.

    That’s one of the reasons why we keep saying we should have Telangana. To make our own MLAs, MPs, accountable. They could always hide behind the excuse that they were a minority in the State Assembly.

    Does the Telanganite not see any benefit from the Canals? Why are the 'intellectuals' not educating them?

    We are doing this. But people like you find fault with it instead of reading the texts and understanding the message. You wake up in the middle of the class and ask some basic questions. Instead of admitting you don’t know. You find fault with the teacher! :-)

    So whom do you blame? The Andhraite? Why?

    You ask this question because you don’t know history. You have never paid attention to the classes when they were being taught. You didn’t read the articles written on this topic. You don’t try to understand the basics. You just do not want to listen to anyone who supports Telangana. Therefore you become blind to reason. And then ask the same fundamental questions. Again and Again.

    You should spend some time with few 12 year old kids. You would find their reasoning abilities overpowering you. After dealing with them for a while, you can come to this blog.

    Let us wait for some statistics to emerge on the funds spent in last 50 years in various districts.

    Ha Ha! Since early 1970s, there are no statistics on this. Andhra Pradesh government stopped producing those results because when they did in 1950s and 1960s, it resulted in 1969 agitation!
    And the statistics which are available, you refuse to read them.

    Here is my final observation on people like POK. You take a fool and educate him what you get is an educated fool. He is far more dangerous than ignorant or illiterate. Because an ignorant can be given knowledge, he will see the light and reason. An illiterate can be given education, he will be able to learn and see the light for himself. But an educated fool will close the eyes and will continue to believe the world is dark and fight with everyone who can see light telling them to close their eyes too.

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  76. Let us wait for some statistics to emerge on the funds spent in last 50 years in various districts.

    Doesnt it proved already that Andhra illegally used Telangana share tax money for there development in the past? Please read the Bhargava Committee report.

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  77. Sujai,

    "You ask this question because you don’t know history. You have never paid attention to the classes when they were being taught. You didn’t read the articles written on this topic. You don’t try to understand the basics. You just do not want to listen to anyone who supports Telangana. Therefore you become blind to reason. And then ask the same fundamental questions. Again and Again"

    "You take a fool and educate him what you get is an educated fool. He is far more dangerous than ignorant or illiterate. Because an ignorant can be given knowledge, he will see the light and reason. An illiterate can be given education, he will be able to learn and see the light for himself. But an educated fool will close the eyes and will continue to believe the world is dark and fight with everyone who can see light telling them to close their eyes too."

    Describes you perfectly Sujai.
    You ignore relevant questions where the answers are uncomfortable to your cause.

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  78. But we do have problems with the following:
    1. Andhras who rule us with the majority of Seemandhra MLAs in State Assembly.


    This assertion is central argument to your case for separate T. Do you have any proof for this or are you just going by your hunch? Can you provide some substantiation from Assembly records, newspaper links etc? Is there any instance where MAJORITY of T MLAs voted for something and rest of AP MLAs voted against to block that (Except when it is related to Telangana separation or 'Telangana issue' related)?

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  79. you are so contorted in your feelings and opinions.
    you are a bad guy,sujai

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  80. Manohar:

    (Except when it is related to Telangana separation or 'Telangana issue' related)?

    We are only talking about Telangana issues here. Seemandhras get united only when it comes to issues of Telangana. That is central point of argument. So how can you exclude that important point?

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  81. That is central point of argument. So how can you exclude that important point?

    There are many problems / issues in Telangana and then there is the 'Telangana issue'. Today, every issue in Telangana becomes 'Telangana issue' as the movement madness reached religious proportions.

    A typical problem in Telangana could be a problem anywhere in AP or India. Issues like farmers suicide, migrations, problems with implementing irrigation projects etc are all genuine problems in Telangana region. I want you to provide examples where MAJORITY of the assembly members aligned region wise (and Telangana region losing out because of being a 42% MINORITY!) when a genuine problem of Telangana was involved.
    But, when you have problem with conducting statewide exams or Andhra teachers evaluating Telangana students or with Telugu movies or with Andhras not agreeing for outright separation, then it is not a genuine problem of Telangana but a 'Telangana issue'.

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  82. Manohar:

    I want you to provide examples where MAJORITY of the assembly members aligned region wise (and Telangana region losing out because of being a 42% MINORITY!) when a genuine problem of Telangana was involved.

    If I do provide examples, would you support Telangana Movement?

    The reason I ask this is that Andhras continuously waste our time asking many kinds of questions. While we continue to go over our histories, they are just sitting idle asking questions. No matter how much data is provided, they will not get convinced. They just move onto another set of questions. We are a bit tired answering their questions.

    You see there might have been more than 10,000 comments on this topic alone which answer the questions you ask. Instead of looking up either on this blog or so many blogs available out there, you chose to ask the question.

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  83. "If I do provide examples, would you support Telangana Movement?"
    Yes please provide examples I'll support you in your madness.

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  84. No matter how much data is provided, they will not get convinced.

    Have you provided any data earlier specifically related to what Manohar asked? If so, please provide a link. If not, please provide the data at least now. I would like to know the source too. If the source is Prof.Jayashankar's paper, don't even bother.

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  85. @Anonymous
    "If I do provide examples, would you support Telangana Movement?"
    Yes please provide examples I'll support you in your madness


    You must be a great idiot.
    All that you will get is tonnes of unsubstantiated and unverifiable accusations like in the story of 'todelu-gorrepilla;

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  86. I have read all and it took me 10 mins
    I can predit the future of Andhra Pradesh , it divides into 2 regions. there will be a chance to grab public money for more MP , MLAs.
    Dedicated people involved in agitation will also earn money.

    Prof. Mr Kondadaram will be the future MLA or MP and all those who are doing agitation will also enter into politics and they will be our politicians.

    These people will acquire more knowledge and they spread this to future generation.

    I will definetly say, there will be another agitation for seperate Hyderabad, then Mr Kondadaram who will be an MLA or MP will face like congress.

    I always watch many news channels about telengana agitation(i am from telengana and i look telengana in a different way - I say to all telengana people, if have the capability WIN in competition, don't take space for yourself and win.)I see few people whom I can recognise when I meet them on road. For ex. there is women who will be aged 22 to 24 who works dedicately in agitation will never be arrested, she pushes other girls and escapes when there is a arrest.
    This women will be our one more future MLA or MP

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