Sunday, January 09, 2011

SKC Report: Intellectual Dishonesty

The chronic neglect in imparting scientific temperament into our people is now affecting this country, its social life, and its politics.  India is suffering from a massive bout of intellectual deficit.  This is coming out in various sections of our life.  Either it is 2G Scam or Satyam Scandal, it is clear that numbers are being fudged, scientific and dispassionate scrutiny is missing, manipulation and misinterpretation of data is rampant.  Now, it has affected the cause of Telangana as well. 

We are now facing a new menace in this country, the intellectual dishonesty, where certain eminent people given paramount responsibility of deciding fate of millions of people are misinterpreting data to promote vested interest groups.   Justice Srikrishna, a retired judge of Supreme Court, was given the task of making recommendations on the issue of separate Telangana or united AP.  The report is out and it is becoming apparent that Srikrishna is subject to the same malaise that has affected Ramalinga Raju of Satyam scandal or Raja of 2G scam.  It is also unfortunate that the media houses, some of them respectable ones, like THE HINDU, have also resorted to the same intellectual dishonesty.   Instead of making a scientific scrutiny, they are just playing pawns to the same vested interests that have been dominating Telangana for the last 54 years. 

Statistics like per capita have never been used by India to form new states or reorganize states.  The basis for forming a state has always been to satisfy aspirations of people of certain region.  Uttarakhand had a higher per capita than Uttar Pradesh and yet formed a new state.  Andhra State, Gujarat, Karnataka were formed on a regional identity irrespective of any study into per capita comparisons.  In fact, no such statistics were used when merging Telangana with Andhra State to form united Andhra Pradesh back in 1956. 

In the current context, Srikrishna Committee was not given a mandate to set a new precedent or create a new framework to form new states in India.   And yet, the data, its interpretations and conclusions from this report are being used by all, the national media, the newspapers, analysts, observers, and detractors to this movement within the state, to make arguments for or against creation of new state of Telangana. 

The report establishes a case for proving that Telangana is not backward, and completely dismisses the arguments for discrimination, marginalization and suppression of Telangana, and callously ignores the aspirations of 35 Million people demanding separate state, through a systematic and deliberate set of specious arguments and devious conclusions.  On the case of backwardness, it starts off on a premise of using a flawed statistic of growth rates without giving any reference to how and why such statistic should be used. 

A correct picture of the economic performance can be well understood by reviewing the rate of growth by region.

And then it goes only to firmly establish the basis of using ‘growth rates’ as the most reliable economic indicator to understand if a region is indeed backward, though no such precedent exists.  It then concludes the discussion by saying:

It is important to note that the GDP growth in all regions excepting coastal Andhra has experienced accelerated growth especially since2005 where as the growth of income in coastal Andhra has remained constant

These observations have led to other intellectually corrupt analysts and reporters in the national and regional media to make announcements like ‘Telangana is more developed than other two regions’.  Economic Times writes that ‘in fact, Telangana leads the non-Telangana regions with respect to several measures: GDP per capita, infrastructure, health and environment.’ Even the most respected newspaper THE HINDU suffered from this intellectual malaise. 



THE HINDU uses the above statistic from SriKrishna Committee to write:

What stands out in the Srikrishna Committee's report is its sagacity in debunking, on the basis of facts, certain dubious and time-worn theories that were in circulation.

The growth in per capita Gross District level Domestic Product (GDDP) between 2000-01 and 2007-08 was 58.4 per cent in all of Andhra Pradesh, while it was 63 per cent in Telangana including Hyderabad, 60.3 per cent excluding Hyderabad, 58 per cent in Rayalaseema and 54.1 per cent in Coastal Andhra.

To untrained readers which happen to be 99.9999% of the readers in India, it would appear that Telangana excluding Hyderabad is far more developed than Rayalaseema or Coastal Andhra.   In fact, Telugu news channels and newspapers have been using this data to tell everyone that Telangana is not just backward but in fact it is more developed than other regions.  That’s how the propaganda machine gets to the conclusion that that Telangana agitation is based in lies.   Nobody bothers to question this interpretation.  None of them asks why 9 districts of Telangana are considered backward by the Central Government if in fact Telangana is more developed than Coastal Andhra? 

The devil is in the details and misinterpretations.  The statistics have been misused by these intellectually corrupt people. I will not be surprised if in nearby future CBI finds out that this committee was not just intellectually corrupt but also financially corrupt. 

Growth in per capita GDP or GDP to measure backwardness is a flawed statistic.  Though almost everyone in India would concede that Orissa and Chattisgarh are some of the most backward states, using GDP growth one can easily prove that these states are more developed than the prosperous states like Punjab and Maharashtra.  In the same way, one can prove that famine ridden and civil-war hit Ethiopia and war-torn and battered Iraq is doing better than United States of America.


One of the contentious issues between Telangana and Andhra region is the misallocation of water resources which has led to dry and barren lands for Telangana whose farmers have started to depend on expensive and unreliable bore wells to water their fields.  Telangana continues to be one of the most farmer-suicide prone areas in India.  The Srikrishna Committee Report refers to Telangana grievances as ‘alleged discrimination’ or ‘alleged injustice’ thereby clearly insinuating that they are unsubstantiated or misplaced.   But on the other hand, while referring to the Andhras arguments, the authors describe them as ‘evidence’ setting the tone  that it is going to favor Andhras.

Such bias continues throughout the discussion clearly indicating the purport of the report which is to say that there is no discrimination whatsoever towards Telangana in water allocation.  Though the Committee was presented with concrete evidences in the form of numerous records by Telangana engineers that substantiate a clear discrimination, it is brushed off by the callous committee members.

The intellectual deficit appears once again.  The report refers to ‘higher plateau’ of Telangana region for inadequate water projects thereby justifying the present condition where Telangana does not get enough water.  This is the exact line Andhras use to tell Telanganas why they cannot get enough water:  only because it is high up on the plateau.  And it has found its way into the report as ‘evidence’.

On the other hand, the delegations and groups from coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions have put forth enough evidence, both orally and through several presentations and memoranda, to suggest that the support for irrigation systems in Telangana region, keeping in mind that the region is on a higher plateau, has been substantial and that there should be no cause for complaint on this front.

Lack of scientific temperament amongst Srikrsihna committee members has come back to do irreparable damage to people of Telangana.
  If this report is ever used as a framework for keeping the state together under Option 6, all future endeavors to get water to Telangana region would fail because the excuse of ‘higher plateau’ of Telangana is cast in stone now. 

A scientific report on Deccan Plateau is worth taking a look at.

In its western regions, the plateau averages about 2,500 feet (762 meters) in elevation; in its eastern parts, it averages 1,000 feet (305 meters). As a result of this difference in elevation from one side to the other, almost all rivers on the plateau flow from west to east and drain into the Bay of Bengal.

It is clear that the plateau is highest in Karnataka and Maharastra and it slopes downwards towards Telangana.  Though Karnataka and Maharashtra are further higher up in the plateau they are given adequate share of water by various tribunals include the recent Supreme Court decision.  Why isn't the same excuse of ‘higher up on the plateau’ not used by the tribunals to deny water to Karnataka and Maharashtra?  It becomes evident that the committee members did not make any efforts to understand basics of geography or how water is allocated to each state.  Instead they greedily adopted the intellectually corrupt arguments of Government of AP and  Andhra leaders. 

The report loses its credibility in facts when they quote that Andhra Pradesh had 6 Chief Ministers from Telangana whereas the reality is that only 4 are from this region.  While hundreds of Telangana lawyers took to streets to protest blatant discrimination in the appointments giving concrete evidences to the Committee, the report writes that it “informally discussed the matter with two former Chief Justices of the Hon’ble High Court of Andhra Pradesh and it was learnt that there appears to be no basis for bias or prejudice and that all appointments have been made as per rules and procedures and in accordance with law.” Intellectual dishonesty continues to pervade throughout the report where ‘informal discussions’ are used to rubbish all the legitimate claims of Telangana people.  It makes a mockery of itself when it says that “Bonalu, Sammakka-Sarakka Jathara are widely popular across AP”.

Summary

This report sets new precedents for Telangana and India, like using per capita growth rates for measuring backwardness, establishing legitimacy to the flawed argument that Telangana does not get water because it is higher up on the plateau, giving credence to unsubstantiated opinion that government employees of Telangana are happy with GO 610, for using informal discussions as evidences, and finally for creating a framework of using economic indicators as basis for creation of new states.  There is a grave danger to this region and future of India if they take this committee’s report seriously.   Such nonsensical precedents are harmful to Telangana and India in general and it is our duty, as Telanganas and Indians, to fight such intellectual corruption before it becomes endemic.

164 comments:

  1. Sujai even I was Shocked by the Anti-Telangana Rhetoric of the Hindu, the fact is that Hindus hyderabad bureau is totally run by andhra editors. And there may be a Tamil factor too.

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  2. When SKC talks about GDP in Telangana excluding Hyderabad, It also counts the GDP generated in Outskirts of Hyderabad, for example most of the Industries are just outside Hyd in Districts of Medak,Nalgonda,RR these Industries are established by Andhras and Manned by Andhra workers But their GDP will counted in Telangana.
    Even a Moron knows How Poor Nalgonda and Mahboobnagar are But SKC comes up with a Claim that these Districts are the most developed one.

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  3. Sujai,
    Every body in india all national media, state media every one except you and your telangana protagonists are intellectually corrupt..
    You are the most smart and having highest level of intellectual honesty........ha ha ha ha ha :)

    common Sujai...This is really hillarious..

    Try some where else...

    India will be fine and AP will also be fine...and most importantly telangana will also be fine..

    The very basis these telangana protogonists are using is backwardness..which is debunked by SKC....by various parameters including growth rates..and substantiated by per capita incomes which are absolute values..and many others like that..

    Try some other time or some where else..dont pose as if you are most clever person..cleverness is not just one own property...India has many more clever people and they can easily comprehend...

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  4. Sujai,
    You are DELETING posts ....i just saw posts but they were deleted...
    thanks if i just see that again...that would the last time i am coming to blog again...

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  5. Sujai,
    Dont say the same thing again again..regarding comparing growth rates..
    Your favorite example of comparing USA and Ethiopia..
    Yes growth rates would give wrong impression when you compare two different entities if their absolute values have VAST difference..In this case USA with a per capita income of around $47,000 and Ethiopia with a per capita income of around $400, yes the growth rates will give wrong impression...

    But there is not that much difference in per capita incomes between telangana and SA regions as of 2008..Telangana with Rs 36,000 and coastal andhra with Rs 36,700. They are certainly right in using these percentage growth rates in this scenario..Any body can easily understand this...dont worry...and dont pose as if whole country has grouped to stop telangana formation..no body is here to believe you except again your own blindfold telangana protogonists

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  6. andhra-statjunkieJanuary 09, 2011 6:08 AM

    sujai,wiki,

    telangana has become a sort of pseudo- nationalist-kashmir issue,in the eyes of national media and in the eyes of non-telugu indians.

    people toe the government line citing "national unity" as an issue.
    the common arguments made are
    "how much will you divide my country"
    "all indians should be united other wise chinese will take over "
    "naxalites are funded by china ,they will become stronger if telangana is given"

    And icreasing media like TOI,and even Hindu ,to an extent do not know about the issue ,expect what is filtered out by government which is imposing restrictions...

    I am an andhrite ,but I am sad at the way media is restricted and opinions being manufactured,statistics being re-interpreted ,In the case of telangana

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  7. Word on Andhra streets:

    Many Andhra and Seema residents are unhappy with the Option #6 as proposed by the SKC. They do not see why such a proposal was made, where entire budgets and all laws and acts for Telangana will be managed separately. Their concern is that if Seema and North Andhra follow suit and ask for their own regional councils, the word 'united' has no more meaning for them.

    The common man in Vijayawada hopes for an Andhra State while the common man in Kurnool is anxiously waiting for Kurnool to become the new capital of Andhra.

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  8. Sujai,

    It is dishonesty and mental corruption to remove my message as it does not please you. I have NOT resorted to any abuse etc. This is the worst way to counter an argument. You took liberty to abuse Justice Sri Krishna, comparing him to Tuglaq, calling SriKrishnaism etc. When I take similar liberty to define Sujaiism with the logic u use to create arguments, u get defensive. U r the most thin-skinned person ever. U have no reason to delete my comment. The worst u can do when a person challenges u is ignore but what u did by deleting it is bwyond cowardice. U have NO moral right to criticize SKC or anyone with dishonesty. U are mentally corrupt, dogmatic and fanatic.

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  9. srepen - a samykyavadiJanuary 09, 2011 7:16 AM

    I am having a hearty laugh.

    There is no way Telangana is going to form in current political scenario.

    Congress will loose its base completely in Andhra and Rayalaseema to Jagan and TDP for next 50 years if it forms telangana.

    Even if it forms Telangana it has to compete with TRS for its political base along with host of other parties BJP, MIM, Telangana TDP and even Jagan party.

    Congress mismanaged whole situation and I guess will find it hard to win its next election in 2014.

    I am soooo happy.

    You guys even if all people in telangana come and fight congress hands are tied and will never make a suicide act for its own existence

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  10. @ Srepen:

    You guys even if all people in telangana come and fight congress hands are tied and will never make a suicide act for its own existence

    This statement of yours shows a wishful arrogance in ignoring the basic facts of DEMOCRACY.

    Congress will lose deposits in Telangana just like TDP lost face and deposits in the last elections.

    If Congress doesn't propose the T-bill in February 2011, it will do so in Feb 2013 before going for next polls. Reason? They know, we know, you know.... the Telangana movement is not going to lose steam. It is now so deeply ingrained in the psyche of common man that you will have to feel embarrassed of using your accent before speaking with a Telangana person.

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  11. @srepen: what u said is correct. Those who have less political awareness need to understand that Congress and UPA problem is NOT telangana state. They have seen bigger troubles in Kashmir, Punjab etc. They are NOT going to give a state based on 'ASPIRATIONS' as Indians have huge list of 'ASPIRATIONS' that are more important than Telangana.

    Congress problem is not to endanger its current govts in AP and Center. They are somehow going to navigate through this crisis with money power and they may get badly bruised before next election but it is still better than going to elections now and getting wiped out.

    Muslims, Christians, OBCs, Hindus, Sikhs, poor, rich, middle class, Tamils, Keralites, Assamese, Bengalis, inter students, degree students, engg and medical students, poor cancer patients, kashmiri Hindus... they all have aspirations and they have higher priority than a 'Telangana' state.

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  12. Political Analysis of recent events:


    Jagan shows his strength in Delhi... leading to a fall of the AP state govt....

    Using Governor's report, the UPA govt imposes President's rule in AP to save face (for the fall of its govt is simply not something COngress can deal with).

    During the President's rule, all moves to create a separate T-state will be made.

    Post T-state announcement, the governor will dissolve the state assembly and hold on to the president's rule till re-elections are announced in both T-state and Andhra.

    TRS+Congress will win a resounding majority in T-state.

    PRP+Congress will be the leading opposition in Andhra State, with Jagan third... while TDP wins Andhra's next elections.


    *** Doing so, Congress continues to govern in T-region and leaves Jagan in a third position in Andhra State.

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  13. ష్ గప్ చిప్ .. సినిమాలో కోట శ్రీనివాసరావు 'బందరు' అభిమాని. అందర్నీ 'మీది బందరా?' అని అడుగుతుంటాడు.
    అందులో ఇంకో డైలాగు ఉంది 'బందరు పిల్లల్లు బందరులో మాత్రమే పుడతారు ఇంకెక్కడా పుట్టరు'.
    అలాగే తెలంగాణ సమస్య తెలంగాణ వాదులకు మాత్రమే అర్ధం అవుతుంది ఇంకెవ్వరికీ అర్ధం కాదు.

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  14. Aravind said...

    Sujai,

    It is dishonesty and mental corruption to remove my message as it does not please you. I have NOT resorted to any abuse etc. This is the worst way to counter an argument. You took liberty to abuse Justice Sri Krishna, comparing him to Tuglaq, calling SriKrishnaism etc. When I take similar liberty to define Sujaiism with the logic u use to create arguments, u get defensive. U r the most thin-skinned person ever. U have no reason to delete my comment. The worst u can do when a person challenges u is ignore but what u did by deleting it is bwyond cowardice. U have NO moral right to criticize SKC or anyone with dishonesty. U are mentally corrupt, dogmatic and fanatic.


    Sujai does that repeatedly. It is not new at all.

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  15. Anyway what we need to understand is that:

    1. Except Sujai and Jayshankar or those they anoint everyone else has no scientific temper, logic or brains.

    2. When people want a state their aspirations must be met except when the people of Hyderabad want a UT or a state then it should not be given as it is blah blah blah.

    It is the fourth option I think that's turning out to be a winner. And Sujai parts of Medak are also included in the fourth option which you seem to be repeatedly saying NO.

    QUOTING. . .

    The panel has proposed a union territory of about 12,430 sq km area, comprising 67 mandals and 1,330 villages of the present five districts of Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy, Medak, Mahabubnagar and Nalgonda.

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  16. Sujai, you are fighting a lost cause.

    At best centre will implement option 6 and this time you people won,t be cheated.

    At worst, Telengana will become a pressure cooker situation. The non-violent protests will gradually turn violent, like it happened in Chauri Chaura. Then hon'ble P Chidambaram will sent forces to crush you.

    There will be complete media blackout. How many are familiar with army's action in Kashmir or NE or CPM's private army "Harmad"'s action in WB or BJP's private army "Salwa Judum" in Chattisgarh. Even if you highlight it, you will be branded as traitor.

    Thankfully today Manoj Mitta of TOI wrote for Telengana.But no other journalist of repute is commenting on it. In HT there is only a small column mentioning violence at OU.In any case how many young, urban, educated,middle-uppermiddle-rich class bother about Telengana, farmer suicide ,student protest etc. Sometimes we care about corrruption and inflation, simply because it directly affect us. India, as we all know, cares only about Bollywood and cricket.

    I had thought that maybe Conress MPs and MLAs can prevail.But now it seems Sonia doesn't care a damn. And Pranab Mukherjee entered poltics in 70's , so he doesn't have any first-hand experience of Telengana movement.Sonia's myopic vision will affect the party in Andhra, like in Bihar. But the biggest loser will be you.

    "There is a grave danger to this region and future of India if they take this committee’s report seriously."

    They DO take the report seriously.

    Shobhan Saxena in TOI blogs that India with its hindufundu-politicalunrest-richpoordivide-political&business oligarchy is slowly converging towards a basket-case like Pakistan. But who cares!

    Be prepared for the long haul.I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you will get Telengana anytime soon.

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  17. Sujai, you are fighting a lost cause.

    At best centre will implement option 6 and this time you people won,t be cheated.

    At worst, Telengana will become a pressure cooker situation. The non-violent protests will gradually turn violent, like it happened in Chauri Chaura. Then hon'ble P Chidambaram will sent forces to crush you.

    There will be complete media blackout. How many are familiar with army's action in Kashmir or NE or CPM's private army "Harmad"'s action in WB or BJP's private army "Salwa Judum" in Chattisgarh. Even if you highlight it, you will be branded as traitor.

    Thankfully today Manoj Mitta of TOI wrote for Telengana.But no other journalist of repute is commenting on it. In HT there is only a small column mentioning violence at OU.In any case how many young, urban, educated,middle-uppermiddle-rich class bother about Telengana, farmer suicide ,student protest etc. Sometimes we care about corrruption and inflation, simply because it directly affect us. India, as we all know, cares only about Bollywood and cricket.

    I had thought that maybe Conress MPs and MLAs can prevail.But now it seems Sonia doesn't care a damn. And Pranab Mukherjee entered poltics in 70's , so he doesn't have any first-hand experience of Telengana movement.Sonia's myopic vision will affect the party in Andhra, like in Bihar. But the biggest loser will be you.

    "There is a grave danger to this region and future of India if they take this committee’s report seriously."

    They DO take the report seriously.

    Shobhan Saxena in TOI blogs that India with its hindufundu-politicalunrest-richpoordivide-political&business oligarchy is slowly converging towards a basket-case like Pakistan. But who cares!

    Be prepared for the long haul.I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you will get Telengana anytime soon.

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  18. BLOOPERS
    <<<<Option 6 .Keeping the State united by simultaneously providing certain definite Constitutional / Statutory measures for socio-economic development and political empowerment of Telangana region – creation of a statutorily empowered Telangana Regional Council.
    the Committee, keeping the national perspective in mind, is of the considered view that this option stands out as the best way forward.

    <<<< Page 81

    relatively smaller percentage from Telangana and
    very small percentage from coastal Andhra were backward as per the BRGF
    backwardness identification criteria. Hence, the argument extended by some
    political parties and civil society groups from Telangana region does not get
    support from this analysis of the BRGF.

    <<<Option1

    (i) Maintaining Status Quo

    The Committee is of the unanimous view that it would not be a practical approach to simply maintain the status quo in respect of the situation. Some intervention is definitely required and though maintaining the existing status quo is an option, it is favoured the least.



    So the Committee feels that There was No Basis for " Discrimination and Underdevelopment" in Telangana,
    So you should expect it to Give Option 1- Status quo as the most preferred solution, But Contradicting itself the SKC feel option-6 is the best way forward, if there is No basis for any Justification of Claims by Telanganites for Injustice and Underdevelopment, Why Suggest option 6, Is the committee suggesting option 6 Only on the Basis of "EMOTION OR SENTIMENT" of Telanganites, If so why is it option 5 most Preferable as the "EMOTION" for Option 5 is Strongest among Telanganites.

    The SKC report is So FULL of INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS that , IF SKC report was a "person" it will be DIAGNOSED with "SCHIZOPHRENIA" by any Psychologist and will be give Some Mental Health Care.

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  19. Correction
    <<< If so why is it option 5 not the most Preferable option, as the "EMOTION" for Option 5 is Strongest among Telanganites.

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  20. "Sonia Gandhi never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity"-WIKILEAKS

    In 2008 congress and omar abdullah had got a superb chance in Kashmir. But they frittered it away.

    Sonia and Congress are going to do the same this time in Telengana.

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  21. So any Sane Person with some Logic or Commonsense comes to the Conclusion that Option 2, Option 3 or Option 4 as the Remaining are the most Logical solutions, But the SKC itself dismisses these Options as "Unpractical" or "Untenable".

    Telangana people feel Confused and Betrayed by the SKC report Right now, But after a few days the sense of Confusion will evaporate and a Feeling of "Betrayal" will Sink in and the Backlash will begin.

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  22. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zdjI6-ITsIk/TSaLjA6SBMI/AAAAAAAABWg/ppkGaoKEOko/s400/k+chandrasekhar+rao.gif

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  23. @aditya:

    well... backlash it is. Bring it on. If you thought SKC or any one else on this planet will do a perfect, logical, 'accurate' job, satisfying everyone, you are mistaken. If I read the report trying to get contradictions, I will get many. But then, nothing is perfect like getting Telangana state is NOT going to solve all problems. you just think it would. Thats why the govt does not entrust people like you, me or Sujai with this task.

    You have to understand and appreciate the fact that these committee members were of different backgrounds and worked in time-bound (without seeking any extensions) manner, handling such a complex task and tried to come up with a report that guides in coming up with a political solution. If you were in their shoes, you would not want to hear abuse from people like Sujai, after earning such reputation in the country and outside the country.

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  24. Thanks Aravind glad that even SKC fanboys like you are agreeing its not "Perfect", No one expected it to be "perfect" or even "Satisfying", But speaking On Neutral ground the report is expected to maintain Certain "Academic" standards, Iam Betting that If the Report is Subjected to a Peer Review by experts(neutral) , It will come out Miserably, The report is So shoddily made it is full of Contradictions and Outright fallacies, It is also So full of Doublespeak that it will beat even politicians like CBN's "two eye" statement.
    As an Academic exercise its a "Failure", and If it is a "research Project" made by a Student , the Professor will Tear of the Project report.

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  25. @Aditya:

    I think this report will be hard-bound, decorated piece of research for PhD students in India and abroad, whenever they research the Telangana issue. You don't like the recommendations, so you are denigrating it. But, unbiased people will never question its academic value. If you were asked to produce a report on this issue, you will probably put 1 page with ur conclusion and u back it up with 'aspiration', 'emotion' and 'sentiment'. It may be highly valued research for you but for others, it is usable as toilet paper.

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  26. Sujai ,

    You are the one who is intellectually dishonest. Because of your hatred for Andhras(for what reasons i dont know) you are refusing to accept the SKC findings and lashing out at SKC and all the media personalities who are using the conclusions of the report.

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  27. 7.4.01 Paul Brass, a well known political scientist and long term student of
    India‟s political history, notes that regional groups are pushing for greater access
    to political power and control over Government purse, not cultural or linguistic
    separation.11 Regionalism or sub-regionalism should thus be seen as the desire
    for greater democracy and empowerment within a political unit. In fact, subregionalism is a movement which is not based on more fundamental primordial
    identities such as caste or language but is essentially modern – in the direction of
    a balanced and equitable modernization. Our analysis will show that cutting
    across caste, religion, gender and other divisions, the Telangana movement
    brings a focus on the development of the region as a whole, a focus on rights
    and access to regional resources and further, it pitches for a rights-based
    development perspective whereby groups and communities put forth their
    agendas within a larger vision of equitable development.

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  28. See what SKC wrote and then you guys can clearly see for yourself ,how Sujai is playing mischief here.

    It can be clearly observed that Telangana
    region has experienced unprecedented growth from 1993-94 onwards, a period
    for which the DDP data are extracted; and also note that the absolute levels of
    income between regions do not differ much from a national perspective. This has
    happened inspite of the fact that the per capita DDP in Telangana excluding
    Hyderabad had lowest base levels, yet in recent years it occupies a position
    higher than Rayalaseema and lower than coastal Andhra.

    See what he wrote ,not just growth rate ,he said absolute levels of per capita income dont differ much.

    In 2007-2008 ,these are the figures :
    AP :26310
    TG(without Hyd ) :25237
    Coastal : 26655
    Seema : 23860

    See the absolute level of TG is not very much less than coastal ,but also greater than seema.

    This absolute level happened despite the fact that TG started with a low base.

    My appeal to TG people : Dont fall in these guys traps ,read the SKC report thoroughly and decide for yourself.

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  29. In fact, subregionalism is a movement which is not based on more fundamental primordial
    identities such as caste or language but is essentially modern – in the direction of
    a balanced and equitable modernization.

    <<<SO REGIONALISM IS NOT APPARENTLY ANTI NATIONAL ,EAT THAT ANDHRAS.

    Most of the Passages like this in SKC were directly "lifted" from material written by experts on Telangana like , Hanamantha rao, Dunccan Forester,Paul Brass.
    The rest of it is Toilet Paper.

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  30. @Aravind
    <<<See what he wrote ,not just growth rate ,he said absolute levels of per capita income dont differ much.

    In 2007-2008 ,these are the figures :
    AP :26310
    TG(without Hyd ) :25237
    Coastal : 26655
    Seema : 23860


    I agree that Sujais article is rather misleading.When SKC talks about absolute GDP in Telangana excluding Hyderabad, It also counts the GDP generated in Outskirts of Hyderabad, for example most of the Industries are just outside Hyd in Districts of Medak,Nalgonda,RR these Industries are established by Andhras and Manned by Andhra workers But their GDP will counted in Telangana.
    Even a Moron knows How Poor Nalgonda and Mahboobnagar are But SKC comes up with a Claim that these Districts are the most developed one.

    So The absolute GDP of Telangana excluding Hyd, will be more like 18-19000 RS.

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  31. So The absolute GDP per-capita of Telangana excluding Hyd(Greater), will be more like 18-19000 RS.

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  32. @ Adita

    So you discovered a new way of calculating Per capita income.

    Following your theory ,we will discount Mumbai,NCR ,Bang,Hyd etc when we calculate per capita income of India because we know how dirt poor the rest of India is.

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  33. Highly ridiculous for T-vaadis especially likes of Sujai talking honesty.

    Even today they lie that there was no vote in Hyderabad assembly on merger resolution.
    They ignore that Telangana leaders asserted for unity after Jai Andhra movement.

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  34. <<<So you discovered a new way of calculating Per capita income



    GDP can be determined in three ways, all of which should in principle give the same result. They are the product (or output) approach, the income approach, and the expenditure approach.
    The most direct of the three is the product approach, which sums the outputs of every class of enterprise to arrive at the total. The expenditure approach works on the principle that all of the product must be bought by somebody, therefore the value of the total product must be equal to people's total expenditures in buying things. The income approach works on the principle that the incomes of the productive factors ("producers," colloquially) must be equal to the value of their product, and determines GDP by finding the sum of all producers' incomes.[3]
    Example: the expenditure method:
    GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports),



    Please ENLIGHTEN us about a New method of estimating GDP , You may even make Telugus Proud by winning a Noble econ prize.

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  35. aditya,
    what are you doing here?
    Still in US enjoying your life?
    I thought you will be somewhere in OU throwing stones and bottles.

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  36. @Nameless
    <<<Following your theory ,we will discount Mumbai,NCR ,Bang,Hyd etc when we calculate per capita income of India because we know how dirt poor the rest of India is.


    You May gladly do So when You Say percapita GDP of India Exld(Mumbai,NCR ,Bang,Hyd etc)

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  37. Iam very much in Hyderabad, what delusions make you to think Iam not Here.

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  38. @Aditya

    If a product or service is produced in Nalgonda dist it goes into GDP of Nalgonda ,even if it is in the border of Hyd.

    And lets assume for discussion sake that all hyd border GDP goes into Hyd . Why should you exclude Hyd while calculating TG statistics ?

    Isnt Hyd integral part of TG ?

    Did you exclude Hyd when calculating income of TG ?

    Did you exclude Hyd border areas when calculating income of rest of TG districts ?

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  39. Aditya,

    You must have been a student from Osmania University. You analysis reflects such a low level of incompetence.
    On page 81, the SKC clearly indicates that the criteria on which some districts across India were added to BRGF is 'extremism' even though they did not qualify as backward as per standard criteria.

    FACE THE FACTS ADITYA.

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  40. Aditya,

    Long ago you said you were in USA doing your MS. So we assume you returned to India to lead from the front. Good

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  41. <<<. Why should you exclude Hyd while calculating TG statistics ?

    For the Same reasons it is excluded in SKC report.


    Think rest of the questions are Too Dumb to answer

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  42. And how many times have we heard from Tvadis that "200000" jobs were looted by Andhra and this was proved in Girgilani commission report.

    SKC blasted them saying that as per Girgilani report the actual number of non locals are "18000" of which "14000" have already been sent back .And TG NGOs are happy with that measures.

    Will these guys apologize now for spreading false propaganda ?
    No they wont because they are shame less creatures.

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  43. @@POK

    <<<Long ago you said you were in USA doing your MS. So we assume you returned to India to lead from the front. Good

    You are free to Have Delusions, By the way its not So easy to get Admission in OU (Many Andhras spend sleepless nights mugging up Shit just to get in) and OU is having a field day with Campus recruitments,but Like I said you are free to have delusion.

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  44. @Nameless.
    <<<some districts across India were added to BRGF is 'extremism' even though they did not qualify as backward as per standard criteria.

    Ya, you start Camapaigning with Your SKC statistics for removing Districts in Bihar and Telangana from BRGF category. Biharis and the rest of the poor states will start Supporting your Samkhyandhra.

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  45. @ Aditya

    SKC said that a hundred years ago you guys didnt even know farming and Nizam had to invite farmers from Andhra to teach you farming.

    Are you ready to attack Justice SK ?

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  46. " Biharis and the rest of the poor states will start Supporting your Samkhyandhra. "

    Biharis are reading the insults you Tvadis are making on the Biharis in CRPF & other central forces.

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  47. @Nameless

    Yaa Right, Telangana people didnt know farming and they grew Up eating Air , Your Andhras Came Up with a Patent for Farming "10,000" years ago Long Before people of the "fertile Crescent or Sumeria".

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  48. @Namels
    Student leaders from 40 Universities all over India( not crappy one like AU ,but the ones like BHU, IIT's) are meeting up right now in Delhis JNU to extend Solidarity to Telangana cause, while you are busy Trolling in Telangana blogs.

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  49. Anonymous:

    Even today they lie that there was no vote in Hyderabad assembly on merger resolution.

    We continue to believe that there was NO vote in Hyderabad assembly on merger resolution - because no resolution was passed. A vote is succeeded by a resolution - no such resolution exists. Unless you point out the resolution passed and give us the contents of that resolution, I will continue to believe no such vote happened.

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  50. The entire exercise of calculating growth rates based on regions is wrong.....

    The GDP of U.S is said to be one of the highest amongst nations,but when you are talking about the development of individual groups like Afro-Americans,Hispanics,French etc you would notice grave disparities in the income levels of the different groups.....

    The U.N has agreed that while taking factors of development,the per capita income must not be taken as the sole criteria for development...as,literacy,
    healthcare,sanitation,infrastructural facilities are not calculated in it....

    U.S,with it's high GDP falls short on important factors like literacy rates,health care etc,even to countries like India and China..

    The Afro-Americans in the U.S as a group,are the most underdeveloped lot of all the sections of society there.But,since the U.S has a high GDP,it does not make them rich only because they happen to share geographical boundaries with the others....


    People with little or no economic understanding of development would not understand the difference between the two...

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  51. SKC said that a hundred years ago you guys didnt even know farming and Nizam had to invite farmers from Andhra to teach you farming.
    Are you ready to attack Justice SK ?


    Yes we will retaliate for Making our Stomaches Ache with laughter.

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  52. "Student leaders from 40 Universities all over India( not crappy one like AU ,but the ones like BHU, IIT's) are meeting up right now in Delhis JNU to extend Solidarity to Telangana cause, while you are busy Trolling in Telangana blogs."

    Yeah let them pass a resolution first then we will respond.

    And OU is great while AU is crap ,one more lesson i learned today

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  53. Name less:

    You are the one who is intellectually dishonest. Because of your hatred for Andhras…

    It may upset you that I don’t harbor hatred towards Andhras.

    you are refusing to accept the SKC findings and lashing out at SKC and all the media personalities who are using the conclusions of the report.

    Did Indians accept the conclusions of various commissions and conference held by British? Not really. Today we applaud the Indians for not conceding to the various acts and commissions conducted by British.

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  54. @ Nameless,

    "SKC said that a hundred years ago you guys didnt even know farming and Nizam had to invite farmers from Andhra to teach you farming."

    Based on that argument,you might have been reared at home and not taught by any teachers or lecturers....

    You should change your name to Senseless...

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  55. Aravind:

    I think this report will be hard-bound, decorated piece of research for PhD students in India and abroad, whenever they research the Telangana issue.

    Yes, no different from various research and studies done in the West in early 19th and early 20th century to prove how white man is intellectually superior and how some races were subhuman. They are discredited but are hard-bound and decorated as a showcase for how wrong we could go.

    But, unbiased people will never question its academic value.

    Within few years, it will be unbiased people who will ridicule and call it trash. But for that to happen the people who get affected by it the most (Telanganas) have to take up the task of proving how fallacious this document is. And we are already doing it. Read today’s Times of India article.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms

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  56. @ Sujai

    You very cleverly compare Andhras with British. But the thing is Indians did not join British empire voluntarily. Indians were defeated in wars and British gained rule over India.

    But in this case Andhras & TG agreed to form AP. The efforts taken by TG people to join 'Visalandhra' are documented by SKC. Yes ,there were some safeguards implemented for TG people and leaders. Mulki rules were supposed to be for 5 years but andhras allowed them to be in force for 11 years. It was only when crooked TG people decided to make them permanent forever , then andhras objected and got them removed.

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  57. The case for Telangana

    If a woman who was forcibly married asks for a divorce on grounds of cruelty, can a court rule against it? Can a court rule that she cannot be liberated from her marriage, however bad, without her husband's consent? That's the kind of dubious logic the Sri Krishna Committee employed when suggesting, as its "second best option", that the Telangana region (the erstwhile Hyderabad state) cannot be divorced from the Andhra and Rayalaseema regions (the erstwhile Andhra state) unless the latter agree.

    The committee's exact words were: "Separation is recommended only in case it is unavoidable and if this decision can be reached amicably among all the three regions." Though its "most preferred option" was to keep Andhra Pradesh intact, the committee could not help proposing the split as the second best option because the creation of a separate Telangana, it conceded, would "satisfy a large majority of people from the region".

    The committee admitted the depth of sentiment favouring separation among the people of Telangana and acknowledged the validity of their grievance or "the felt psyche of discrimination and domination". Despite its assertion that the region was not as backward as it was made out to be, the committee accepted that the "continuing demand... for a separate Telangana... has some merit and is not entirely unjustified".

    But it ignored — willfully or otherwise — where exactly this "continuing demand" came from. It failed to recognize it as a consequence of the forced merger that Telangana has been trapped in since 1956 and the widely perceived betrayal, in letter and spirit, of the promises made in the form of a Gentleman's Agreement. Had the committee diagnosed it essentially as a demand for demerger on account of reneged promises, it would not have committed the folly of proposing the Telangana Regional Council as the keystone of its best option. For, the same council, with more or less the same nomenclature and powers, had been promised in the 1956 Gentleman's Agreement.

    There was little follow-up action.

    Given the multi-disciplinary expertise at its disposal, the committee should have known better than to presume, that despite the trust deficit, there was a realistic chance of the people of Telangana agreeing to remain within the unified state on the basis of "empowerment" measures apparently designed to reduce the sense of discrimination. If the committee's report has evoked widespread condemnation from the people of Telangana, it has a lot to do with the reluctance it betrayed in examining the implications of their elaborately documented position that Andhra Pradesh from its very inception was a forced union.

    Contd...

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  58. Andhra Pradesh was formed in 1956 even after the States Reorganization Commission, while redrawing the political map of India, had rejected the proposal of immediately merging the Telugu-speaking parts of the then Hyderabad state with the then Andhra state. Bowing to pressure from Andhra leaders, the Nehru government disregarded the commission's recommendation that "the residuary state of Hyderabad might unite with Andhra after the general elections likely to be held in about 1961, if by a two-thirds majority the legislature of Hyderabad state expresses itself in favour of such a unification."

    The commission, headed by Justice S Fazal Ali, had arrived at such a conclusion because of its finding that there were misgivings about the unification proposal in Telangana. It said: "The real fear of the people of Telangana is that if they join Andhra they will be unequally placed in relation to the people of Andhra and in this partnership the major partner will derive all the advantages immediately while Telangana itself may be converted into a colony by the enterprising coastal Andhra."

    The Fazal Ali panel's words have proved prescient because, for all the development work in Andhra Pradesh in the 55 years that have elapsed, the people of Telangana still nurse the feeling that they have been colonized. Hence, they are not impressed with the Sri Krishna Committee's argument that, notwithstanding their feelings of exclusion, they should try out the new governance model in which they would be provided special safeguards. They are unwilling to settle for such affirmative action. Nothing but the autonomy of statehood would satisfy them.

    The agitation is all about regaining control over their resources as they see that as the only way out of the unequal relationship between Telangana and Andhra. They want statehood even if it is not necessarily in the national interest, as pointed out by the committee, True, the split is very likely to cause a setback to the growth story of Andhra Pradesh in general and Hyderabad in particular. Worse, it might give a boost to the Maoist movement. The tough choice that the Centre is being asked to make is between the reality of growth in the unified state and the hope for greater equity in the Telangana state. But then, democracy is ultimately about people, not economics.

    Read more: The case for Telangana - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms#ixzz1AWtfus7y

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  59. Name less:

    You very cleverly compare Andhras with British.

    Well there are few things which are common. Telangana is described as ‘internal colony’ of Andhras. Option 4 is designed to continue that. People like sera and POK, because they suffer from massive intellectual deficit, are just jumping the gun without realizing what it means to be UT.

    But the thing is Indians did not join British empire voluntarily.

    ‘Joining voluntarily’ is highly exaggerated. Read Fazal Ali. He clearly stated that there were many apprehensions. If it so voluntary, there would not have been a Gentlemen’s Agreement – unique for a Indian State, nor Article 371 D.

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  60. Constitutional Safeguards are there for SC/ST people. That doesnt mean that their stay in India is conditional and not voluntary.

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  61. Name less:


    Constitutional Safeguards are there for SC/ST people. That doesnt mean that their stay in India is conditional and not voluntary.


    You should understand the difference before I can comment. Come back with the difference and then we can have a meaningful talk. Otherwise it will be an unnecessary and tortuous discussion.

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  62. Aravind:

    Telangana state is NOT going to solve all problems. you just think it would.

    We are aware that Telangana will not solve ALL problems, just the way Indians knew freedom from British would not solve ALL problems, but yet attaining freedom from British was the FIRST STEP towards solving the problems. Telanganas believe that getting away from Andhra-dominated rule will be the FIRST STEP towards solving our problems.

    You have to understand and appreciate the fact that these committee members were of different backgrounds and worked in time-bound (without seeking any extensions) manner, handling such a complex task and tried to come up with a report that guides in coming up with a political solution.

    I would have done better job than them if I was retired. Don’t overemphasize their contribution. It is on the verge of being discredited completely.

    If you were in their shoes, you would not want to hear abuse from people like Sujai, after earning such reputation in the country and outside the country.

    Didn’t Indians criticize Sir John Simon, an eminent British politician? Did Indians shy away from criticizing Simon just because he is a decorated veteran of British politics?

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  63. <<<<You very cleverly compare Andhras with British. But the thing is Indians did not join British empire voluntarily. Indians were defeated in wars and British gained rule over India.


    You Compared Yourself to British, when you Ridicule Telanganas for Choosing KCR as their leader, implying they dont have the ability to rule themselves.

    Strikingly similar to what Churchill said about Indians

    "Under Indian Rule it will go to dogs"

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  64. @Aravind
    <<Telangana state is NOT going to solve all problems. you just think it would.


    Four Crore Telangana people are Mature enough to Understand it, they dont need Colonial Guidance from Andhras. Think you are suffering from "white mans Burden" complex, Andhras burden to enlighten Telanganas.

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  65. Sujai

    You compare andhra with British. I compared safeguards given in gentlemens agreement to constitutional safeguards given to SC/ST people.

    But somehow your comparisions are okay but my comparisions are wrong.

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  66. Sujai:

    People like sera and POK, because they suffer from massive intellectual deficit

    The problem is that you suffer from intellectual dishonesty.

    are just jumping the gun without realizing what it means to be UT.

    It may be immensely educational to realize that we know what UT means and the history of other UTs for that matter of fact.

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  67. Sujai,

    The problem wih you is you think you are intellecctually superior. If I ask you how you can prove it, you will sidestep the issue. If any of us point out that based on some objective facts such as for instance that you could not get into the IITs, you would rank quite low in the pecking order of intellectuality, you will not accept that such criteria should be used. You are intellectually superior because you think so.

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  68. All hail UP,Bihar people who are doing a great job of protecting Hyd people from the goons of OU.

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  69. @SUJAI
    I dont Dare to argue with anyone who somehow with their Messed Up Head Seriously thinks getting admitted in to IIT determines their Intellectual Superiority.
    May be this guy damaged his Brain with excessive Learning from rote.
    I warn you , Your IQ will be temporarily lower if you engage in a debate with this Nameless guy.

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  70. @SUJAI
    <<<as for instance that you could not get into the IITs, you would rank quite low in the pecking order of intellectuality,



    dont Dare to argue with anyone who somehow with their Messed Up Head Seriously thinks getting admitted in to IIT determines their Intellectual Superiority.
    May be this guy damaged his Brain with excessive Learning from rote.
    I warn you , Your IQ will be temporarily lowered if you engage in a debate with this POK guy.

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  71. aditya:

    The SKC report is So FULL of INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS that , IF SKC report was a "person" it will be DIAGNOSED with "SCHIZOPHRENIA" by any Psychologist and will be give Some Mental Health Care.

    Good analysis. SKC report does not follow a methodology nor does it spell one to address this problem resulting in ‘giving excuses’ to evade the question of discrimination towards Telangana or addressing the aspiration of Telangana while unnecessarily concedes to even oral evidences to grant united AP. Devious!

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  72. UnitedIndian:

    Sujai, you are fighting a lost cause.

    Well, the result will decide whether it was a lost cause and we don’t think we have seen the result as yet. But I do admit that we are fighting a gargantuan task and it won’t be easy. But then no struggle for freedom has been so easy, right?

    At best centre will implement option 6 and this time you people won,t be cheated.

    Option 6 is designed ONLY to cheat Telanganas. Whatever is prescribed in Option 6 was exact prescription in 1956 and the last 54 years of Telangana history is a testament to the failure of that model. It’s appalling that SKC actually recommended exact same model, including even the name of Board which sounds the same as before. They couldn’t even think how it will sound to Telangana people. It is like a slap on the face.

    At worst, Telengana will become a pressure cooker situation. The non-violent protests will gradually turn violent, like it happened in Chauri Chaura. Then hon'ble P Chidambaram will sent forces to crush you.

    Quite possible. We are doing our best to avoid it. Political recourse is the only way out. We cannot have another Naxal Movement in this region. Contrary to the great pundits of SKC Committee, I am of the opinion that giving Telangana will completely root out Naxalism from this region. This region has been looking for a political voice for nearly 60 years. This region is one of the most politically aware regions in this country. If you notice, there is no hero worship, our people are more aware of their political rights. The movement of last ten years has created hundreds of political organizations. The same did not happen in Jharkhand or Chattisgarh. SKC could not even discover the differences.

    We are channelizing our energies so that this movement will not turn violent. But as I wrote as a response to Kumar Narasimha on this blog, it will not be an easy task and Andhras are not helping our cause. The current messages on TV are only exacerbating the ‘sense of betrayal’ amongst Telanganas. No Telangana person believes SKC report. If one were to take an opinion poll you will find that more than 95% in the region will tell you that they do not believe in SKC report.

    There will be complete media blackout. How many are familiar with army's action in Kashmir or NE or CPM's private army "Harmad"'s action in WB or BJP's private army "Salwa Judum" in Chattisgarh. Even if you highlight it, you will be branded as traitor.

    Good possibility. We are all bracing for that eventuality. We realize that this is a likely scenario. All the steps show that it could move in that direction. Process has already begun. The only saving grace is that Andhras will not allow that happen because it will affect their vested interests in Hyderabad. With Naxal Movement of 1970s-90s, they didn’t have to bother because it did not affect their interests. Now, it will not be the same.

    Thankfully today Manoj Mitta of TOI wrote for Telengana.But no other journalist of repute is commenting on it.

    We understand that. We do not have the clout. We genuinely believed SKC would make a fair report. It is unfortunate that even the eminent people like Srikrishna could be bought. But you have to understand British had the clout, but still Indians prevailed. I am hopeful Telangana will prevail.

    Be prepared for the long haul.I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you will get Telengana anytime soon.

    There is a distinct possibility that we may not get Telangana soon. People like me can wait. Most older generations can wait. The problem is with the youth. They look for immediate results. And nowadays they don’t listen to anyone.

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  73. Times of India:
    Like Tamil Nadu, Telangana will be backward-heavy

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Like-Tamil-Nadu-Telangana-will-be-backward-heavy/articleshow/7239420.cms

    NEW DELHI: A separate state of Telangana will mirror Tamil Nadu as a 'backward class fortress', with OBCs, SCs, STs and minorities forming 89% of the population and will pose a strong challenge to the hegemony enjoyed by upper castes and feudals in the power structure of Andhra Pradesh.

    It is a tempting possibility as Reddys, Kammas and Vellammas form the powerelite of AP, riding on socio-economic muscle disproportionate to their numbers. The only state which has managed to make upper castes redundant in the political structure is Tamil Nadu where the SC/ST/OBC/minority bloc is said to form around 90% of the population.

    But hopes of political empowerment of weaker groups in Telangana seems far fetched. For, the Srikrishna committee, which explored the prospect of OBCs ending the upper caste hegemony in Telangana, found growing inequity between the rich and the poor, with income growth being true only for the rich.

    So much so, the commission said that SCs, STs and minorities in the T-region had suffered a decline in income whereas their Coastal brethern had "gained substantially". The disconnect between the numerical muscle of BCs and their economic growth is seen to put a question mark on their optimism about political empowerment in Telangana.

    But the prospect itself is tantalising, as Srikrishna report seems to hint. The strength of dalits, tribals, backwards and minorities in Telangana would go up by 13% vis-a-vis united AP. OBCs number around 50.7% in Telangana. The underprivileged social bloc has not been able to supplant the Reddys and Kammas in so many years because a united AP, with Coastal and Rayalaseema, gives respectability to upper castes numbers. Combined with their financial and social clout, it makes them indispensable for political parties.

    Srikrishna panel probed this question and attributed the continued hegemony of upper castes on "politics of accommodation". It said, quoting Ram Reddy, "They have retained their hegemony by negotiating with and giving space to other rising castes while retaining power in their own hands."

    However, once AP is divided, the upper caste share in population will drop to near irrelevance in Telangana. This, however, analysts feel, would translate into reality if heterogeneous groups can be mobilised under one banner, like the Dravidian outfits in TN.

    But Srikrishna committee marks a serious indictment of the very groups which are leading the statehood movement. Studying the economic growth in Telangana, the panel found it was nowhere near the abysmal levels in social and physical indicators but said the pink figures were largely valid for the rich. The SCs, STs have suffered a decline in income.

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  74. KCR's statement "WE WILL IMPLEMENT THE AGENDA OF NAXALS IN TELANGANA STATE", iS being misinterpreted by the Andhra Media, but I think It will very much worry the Top Brass of Maoists. If KCR really implements naxal agenda, the Naxals themselves become irrelevant in Telangana.

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  75. "Like Tamil Nadu, Telangana will be backward-heavy "

    Manneseema will protect the interests of tribals , but your Tvadis forcefully shut out their voices .

    Wonder why ? Should we trust that BCs wont become the next generation Velama/Reddy/Brahmin and suppress SC/ST ?

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  76. Name less:

    Manneseema will protect the interests of tribals , but your Tvadis forcefully shut out their voices .

    Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. If you want to elicit response from me, stick to relevant issues.

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  77. VISIT http://karsewak.blogspot.com
    The Hindu fundus are already smelling blood in Telengana.

    Religious and naxalite extremism are mutually exclusive. But the former is much more infectious and , in my opinion, is much more dangerous.

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  78. We continue to believe that there was NO vote in Hyderabad assembly on merger resolution - because no resolution was passed.
    Sujai,
    you appear to read only what you post. I have already indicated where to find the news on vote. Go and get newpapers of November-december 1955. Indian express in particular.
    Wait! I could have done it myself. In all probability you will dismiss it as another doctored document.
    Do you need help on how to reach Indian express archives?
    Just google it. You can reach thier archives office over phone.
    Or you can go to Deccan Chronicle office in Secundrabad and go through archives.

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  79. Bowing to pressure from Andhra leaders, the Nehru government disregarded the commission's recommendation that
    Man! why do you talk the same crap again and again?
    First go and ask the late elders of Telangana.
    Why did they invite Andhras in 1953 itself during Andhra state bill in parliament?

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  80. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    This particular sentence needs a reiteration and is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

    Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

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  81. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

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  82. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    ReplyDelete
  83. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

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  84. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    ReplyDelete
  85. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

    ReplyDelete
  86. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    ReplyDelete
  87. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

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  88. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    ReplyDelete
  89. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

    ReplyDelete
  90. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

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  91. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

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  92. "Manneseema will protect the interests of tribals , but your Tvadis forcefully shut out their voices .

    Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. If you want to elicit response from me, stick to relevant issues. "

    Why Sujai ? Why is not that relevant. Some tribal groups wanted Manneseema . Based on your aspiration theory it should be given. SKC considered it even though it didnt recommend it.

    And fascist Tvadis barged into Prof Kanchi Iliahs house and made him withdraw his slogan for manneseema.
    That incident was prime example of fascism of Tvadis.

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  93. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

    New article titled "Why Hyderabad can be a Union Territory"

    The last paragraph is as follows.

    The merit of this suggestion is that all the three regions will have geographical contiguity and physical access to Hyderabad metropolis. It may also house the capitals of both Telangana and Seemandhra as in the Chandigarh model with a separate Union Territory administrative set up. Most of the administrative, police, etc. officers will be drawn from the existing state cadres. Plenty of space would be available for infrastructure development. Since this would be a reasonably larger area with a population of well over 10 million people, the model could be a mix of Chandigarh and Delhi UTs i.e. it may have its own Legislative Assembly. As has happened in Chandigarh, over the years its neighbouring towns Mohali, Derabassi, Panchkula and Parwanoo, etc. in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal Pradesh have seen remarkable growth and development. Also around Delhi, towns like Gurgaon, Sonepat and Faridabad in Haryana and Ghaziabad, NOIDA in U.P. have come up and are experiencing high growth and appreciable development owing to the capital growth centre. Similarly, within this proposed new Union Territory, all the three neighbouring regions (Telangana, coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema) will automatically piggyback on the economic engine of Hyderabad metropolis and gain full momentum for achieving appreciable economic growth and employment. This option can perhaps be made acceptable to all three regions. It is anticipated that demand for a separate Rayalaseema may also get initiated in the event of separation of Telangana and if a decision to that effect is taken for a separate Rayalaseema at any given time in the future, the Rayalaseema capital could also be housed in this larger Union Territory. Since the revenues from the U.T. will go to the Central exchequer, the Union Government in consultation with the new states, representing all the three regions, can work out a mutually acceptable formula for equitable apportionment of the grants based on the revenues earned from the Union Territory.

    The last sentence is what I think will finally resolve the situation.

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  94. 1. The issue is Article 3 is the only method.

    2. The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    3. Given the present politics both will happen only when there is a "negotiated solution".

    4. There cannot be a clear winner and a clear loser in this tangle.

    5. If it comes to resignations both sides will keep resigning and force presidential rule and elections.

    6. So what's the way out?

    Hyderabad as a union territory like the option 4 where the revenues are shared by all the three regions.

    I think we are headed that way. And the Indian express article reiterates the same.

    http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Why-Hyderabad-can-be-a-Union-Territory/238120.html

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  95. @ Sera

    I fully support option 4. That is a very reasonable solution in which no party can claim victory

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  96. sera:

    The bill needs to be tabled in the state assembly irrespective of whether it agrees or does not. There is no need for it to agree but that step is essential as part of Article 3.

    May be speaking utter nonsense was accepted in your school and therefore nobody dared to point out what gibberish you spew forth. There are notes and background to each article in our constitution. When Article 3 was designed, the authors made it clear that a new state can never be created if it has to be approved by a State Assembly and therefore made it clear and emphatic that it should be passed as in Parliament ONLY. The case in point which was used to make the case was Andhra State to be carved out Madras State. The authors of the Indian Constitution debated and used this example to say that Andhra State would never be carved out of Madras State if it was up to State Assembly.

    Next time you say something please do some homework, that way there is a chance someone would take your words seriously.

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  97. Anonymous:

    Man! why do you talk the same crap again and again?
    First go and ask the late elders of Telangana.
    Why did they invite Andhras in 1953 itself during Andhra state bill in parliament?


    I think I gave a wrong impression. I didn't write that.

    it is from this site:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-case-for-Telangana/articleshow/7244593.cms

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  98. Anonymous:

    Sujai,
    you appear to read only what you post. I have already indicated where to find the news on vote. Go and get newpapers of November-december 1955. Indian express in particular.
    Wait! I could have done it myself. In all probability you will dismiss it as another doctored document.
    Do you need help on how to reach Indian express archives?
    Just google it. You can reach thier archives office over phone.
    Or you can go to Deccan Chronicle office in Secundrabad and go through archives.


    Well, Telangana activists have already taken the pains to find the evidence. There is None.

    Unless you provide the evidence we will continue to believe that no such a thing exists.

    If you say Harry Potter is real, and I say it is not, I guess it makes sense for you to furnish the proof.

    Thanks.

    [PS: You should give yourself a pseudonym. It helps.]

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  99. One more point to note from SKC .

    Income disparity is more in Telangana than in Coastal. SKC says that SC/STs are better off in coastal than in Telangana.

    So much for the claims of Tvadis that they are more socially inclusive than andhras.

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  100. @Sera,

    Do you even understand what you are asking for,when you demand Hyd for UT!!!!

    You still haven't come up with good enough arguments supporting your theory,inspite of repeatedly asking you......

    Why do you think that a UT option is going to be a favourable one???

    Who would benefit from it and Why??

    P.S:
    It is Puducherry,not Pondicherry that you keep drawing analogies with Hyderabad....

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  101. Name less:

    Income disparity is more in Telangana than in Coastal. SKC says that SC/STs are better off in coastal than in Telangana.

    So much for the claims of Tvadis that they are more socially inclusive than andhras.


    Times of India has an interesting way to gate the comments. It gives the commenter a problem like 7+3 =?

    I would like to see if I can introduce that kind of gating mechanism on my blog. That would eliminate half the riff raff I get on this blog, like Name less and sera, et al.

    Getting a separate state of Telangana is only the first step towards developing this region. We never claimed that our economy was inclusive or that feudalism was less in Telangana. We always admitted that we have many internal problems but maintained that those problems can never be addressed unless we start with throwing off Andhra domination. I wrote 70+ articles on this blog. Many of them address this.

    You may think that I am the only one saying this. To give you an insight (which I really do not believe will get into your head but let me try), KCR says we will implement ‘Naxal Agenda’ for the same reason to show that we will correct the disparities in this region. He says he will make an SC the CM for the same reason.

    Whether he will do it or not is not being discussed here. But you have to understand that all Tvadis understand that these disparities have to be addressed once Telangana forms.

    Like how Indians believed that they could address caste-based-discrimination and discrimination towards women only after getting rid of British rule, Telangana people believe that the first step is overthrow of Andhra rule.

    [If you continue to be so obtuse in your comments just because you have time on your hand and want to type anything that comes to your head, this will be the last time I will be responding.]

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  102. Lavanya:

    There is an interesting way some blog sites use as a gating criteria. It gives a problem like 3+7=?

    That would be useful for me. I can reduce half the riff raff that way, sera, et al. Otherwise there is so much noise!

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  103. @Nameless,

    "Income disparity is more in Telangana than in Coastal. SKC says that SC/STs are better off in coastal than in Telangana."

    I would like to know which group of people were the ones that the SKC found better off IN Telangana...

    I'm sure POK from Mahbubnagar,(the richest district in AP)would like to share the list of millionaires that hail from there...


    "So much for the claims of Tvadis that they are more socially inclusive than andhras."

    The Karamchedu kind of incidents and Kamma,Kapu wars did not happen in Telangana,atleast not in the recent past....

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  106. @ Lavanya

    Just 2 days back a OBC Mla got thrashed by Tvadis because he didnt listen to the dikat of Velama dora to join his party.

    Manda krishna was attacked last year when he tried to play a active role in T movement much to the irriation of upper caste leaders.

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  107. yeah we become riff raff because we puncture holes into your propaganda.

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  108. @Nameless,

    Where did you get this information from???

    Is there any proof that would validate that????

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  109. Name less:

    Manda krishna was attacked last year when he tried to play a active role in T movement much to the irriation of upper caste leaders.

    We are not proud of that event. We have been trying to make amends.

    But your objections are not sincere. You are not really keen on SC/ST welfare of Telangana. You are only poking holes just sitting on the side, trying to see if you can still wean away Hyderabad from us.

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  110. which info are you refering to Madam ?

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  111. Lavanya & Sujai,

    you are self-declared intelligents and mock at riff raff by a few commentors on this blog.

    Imagine plight of Andhras when they came to Hyderabad to be part of AP?

    You at least have a choice to ignore riff raff. But they had live amongst the riff raff.

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  112. @Nameless,

    "Just 2 days back a OBC Mla got thrashed by Tvadis because he didnt listen to the dikat of Velama dora to join his party."

    Care to throw some light on this incident???Or was it a figment of your imagination

    "Manda krishna was attacked last year when he tried to play a active role in T movement much to the irriation of upper caste leaders."

    There are problems that do crop up whenever people are asked to change their age old way of life...

    But,the only thing constant is and will be is CHANGE...

    Even this attitude WILL change..It's just a matter of time,when ,why and how...


    Who knows,several years from now we might be laughing with our future generations that we even had such problems......

    Just like children today find the concept of child marriages amusing...Who knows?

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  113. Well, Telangana activists have already taken the pains to find the evidence. There is None.

    That is the easiest way of escaping.
    Try this link
    http://books.google.com/books?id=DwfE78XsnRUC&pg=PA203&dq=%22hyderabad+assembly%22+1955&hl=en&ei=CxHZTNK_J8KecNOTlfYH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22hyderabad%20assembly%22%201955&f=false

    You want to miss deliberately but I draw your attention to reference 4 given at the end of voting numbers.
    Hold! Author is not from SeemaAndhra nor he presented any rosy picture about merger.

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  114. @ Lavanya

    Here is the link for that attack :

    https://www.andhrajyothy.com/mainnewsshow.asp?qry=2011/jan/7/main/7main22&more=2011/jan/7/main/main&date=1/7/2011

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  115. @Anonymous number 246173728621079,


    "Imagine plight of Andhras when they came to Hyderabad to be part of AP?"

    "You at least have a choice to ignore riff raff. But they had live amongst the riff raff."

    Well,I don't remember anyone being forced to come and stay in Hyderabad...

    I do not tolerate riff raff myself,so I wouldn't live with it....SIMPLE

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  116. @ anonymous

    The link is not proper . Give full link or the proper keyword to search in google books and result number

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  117. Anonymous:

    That is the easiest way of escaping.
    Try this link

    You want to miss deliberately but I draw your attention to reference 4 given at the end of voting numbers.
    Hold! Author is not from SeemaAndhra nor he presented any rosy picture about merger.


    Anonymous:
    This is the last time I am going to write on this topic.

    Voting is different from 'expressing views'. Just because a book is written doesn't mean anything. There are books written which says Holocaust did not take place.

    A resolution has to be passed after the voting. No such thing happened.

    No voting happened. No resolution was passed. Andhras keep saying that a vote took place and that a resoluton was passed. None did.

    State Assembly has no record of it. No newspaper has a record of it.

    Unless you provide the proof you will be considered repeating a lie.

    Till you furnish the proof you can keep imagining Harry Potter exists. We will continue to believe he doesn't.

    Thank you.

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  118. I think I gave a wrong impression. I didn't write that.
    Author of the article and even you should take some crash course in legal matters. Fortunately Hindu-marriage act is not very simple.
    (Well! there are some changes very recently). Even husband can get divorce on the account of harassament or cruelity. Not just by making an accusation but proving it in court.
    Courts are not as liberal as you and some Lavanya here.

    BTW, you have not answered 1953 invitation by Hyderabad MPs.
    You want proof? Parliament publishing house has all records.
    Along with this you can verify debates on 1956 SRC act too. Did any any MP from Telangana region oppose the merger?

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  119. A resolution has to be passed after the voting. No such thing happened
    Now you want to hide behind technicalities.

    For you views expressed by elected members in assembly are not constituional and no morals and ethics applied to them.
    Some political party promises separate Telangana but rejected by Telangana voters. That party and leader must show ethics.

    BTW, it is better you stop writing on anything. Not just this.

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  120. @Nameless,

    The people of Telangana have trusted and were cheated by their representatives already...I don't think they will forgive or forget that betrayal...

    I do not think it was the right way to deal with him,but,what you want to portray here is totally incorrect...

    What I see is the people's rejection of a person and his party's ideologies,not his caste...

    This is what happens,when party leaders get to represent all their members.....

    PC's foolish philosophy of talking to party presidents is bound to have casualties...

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  121. I do not tolerate riff raff myself,so I wouldn't live with it....SIMPLE

    You always have the right to leave AP and live elsewehere. Like Sujai.

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  122. A resolution has to be passed after the voting. No such thing happened.

    I forgot an important stuff.
    You hint that technicalities of voting and passing resolution are important.
    If so what is the validity of Gentlemen Agreement? Was constitutional? Were there any penal clauses? Does it hold under any court of law?

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  123. I did not get this article (by Manoj Mitta) in TOI of Hyderabad edition. We are seeing self censorship by the media. A clear cut case of openess?

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  124. @Original poster,

    SKC report indicated that poor people in Telanga are getting poorer while rich people there are bettering their richness. Are you contradicting with that report and saying Poor Telangana people are getting richer? If so, you are agreeing that this separate Telangana movement is a "a** balisina udyamam"?

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  125. Sujai,
    The SKC report's section on water allocation does not have a report of the Krishna and Godavari water allocation and actual usage numbers region-wise.

    This is one of the most important aspects of the issue that propels the peasantry of Telangana. The Committee conveniently chose to ignore the numbers on this as the truth wont substantiate the report they want to write. Talk about half-truths.

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  126. Sujai:

    May be speaking utter nonsense was accepted in your school and therefore nobody dared to point out what gibberish you spew forth.

    Maybe you were a bully in school and a goon in college that no one dared to even correct you for fear of violence. Read carefully (hopefully the school taught you that). I never said the state assembly needs to "approve". I said it should be tabled (as in discussed). In fact I also said that there is "no need to agree".

    The issue is the state assembly should "at least exist". With resignations my guess is it will not exist if option 5 or option 6 are the only options being discussed.

    So after some impasse, experience and frustration from both sides the consensus will be get more positive for option 4.

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  127. http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/if-not-skc-then-an-src/421254/

    Titled If Not SKC Then SRC

    Sometimes stating the obvious with charts and numbers helps. Just as the Justice Rajinder Sachar committee helped focus public attention on a well-known fact, namely the economic and educational backwardness of Muslims in most of northern and eastern India, the Justice Sri Krishna Committee (SKC) report has revealed the obvious, namely that the Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh is not as badly off as so many protagonists of the separate Telangana movement, including some well-known economists, claimed. Simple numbers tell a tale. In the forty years since the first separate Telangana agitation of 1969, this region has done well for itself, especially when compared to the really more backward Rayalaseema region. Why then did the agitation launched by Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) leader K Chandrashekhara Rao in 2001 catch on? Partly because a desperate Congress party breathed life into it to bring down the Telugu Desam government of Chandrababu Naidu. It is well known that the Congress underestimated its chances of victory in Andhra Pradesh in 2004 and joined the TRS platform. In the event, it was the TRS that benefited from the alliance with the Congress. However, poor handling of Mr Rao’s ego and intra-party games in New Delhi revived TRS fortunes. A confused national leadership of the Congress confounded matters and revived a dying movement that has also gained from the support extended by Maoists to the statehood cause.

    After conducting an impartial enquiry, the Sri Krishna Committee has come to the conclusion that keeping Andhra Pradesh united, but offering Telangana certain constitutional guarantees and developmental support would be the best way forward. This is really not a new idea. It goes back to a key idea of the 1956 “Gentlemen’s Agreement” that created a Telangana Regional Committee. This was unfortunately abolished in 1973, in response to the “Jai Andhra” agitation. This time around the Congress party must carry conviction with the people of the state and the Telangana region in implementing the recommendations of the SKC. It is a matter of winning the people’s trust. If the central government and the Congress party fail to win the trust of the people of Telangana, the agitation will not die down. If, on the other hand, they do succeed, a new phase of growth and development can be initiated in the state of the Telugus.

    The SKC report is right to assert that state formation in India cannot be made merely in response to agitational politics and violence. If there is a case for the re-organisation of Indian states, this must be done on the basis of a national re-evaluation. This calls for a second States Re-organisation Commission.

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  128. http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/if-not-skc-then-an-src/421254/

    Titled If Not SKC Then SRC

    Simple numbers tell a tale. In the forty years since the first separate Telangana agitation of 1969, this region has done well for itself, especially when compared to the really more backward Rayalaseema region. Why then did the agitation launched by Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) leader K Chandrashekhara Rao in 2001 catch on? Partly because a desperate Congress party breathed life into it to bring down the Telugu Desam government of Chandrababu Naidu. It is well known that the Congress underestimated its chances of victory in Andhra Pradesh in 2004 and joined the TRS platform. In the event, it was the TRS that benefited from the alliance with the Congress. However, poor handling of Mr Rao’s ego and intra-party games in New Delhi revived TRS fortunes. A confused national leadership of the Congress confounded matters and revived a dying movement that has also gained from the support extended by Maoists to the statehood cause.

    After conducting an impartial enquiry, the Sri Krishna Committee has come to the conclusion that keeping Andhra Pradesh united, but offering Telangana certain constitutional guarantees and developmental support would be the best way forward. This is really not a new idea. It goes back to a key idea of the 1956 “Gentlemen’s Agreement” that created a Telangana Regional Committee. This was unfortunately abolished in 1973, in response to the “Jai Andhra” agitation. This time around the Congress party must carry conviction with the people of the state and the Telangana region in implementing the recommendations of the SKC. It is a matter of winning the people’s trust. If the central government and the Congress party fail to win the trust of the people of Telangana, the agitation will not die down. If, on the other hand, they do succeed, a new phase of growth and development can be initiated in the state of the Telugus.

    The SKC report is right to assert that state formation in India cannot be made merely in response to agitational politics and violence. If there is a case for the re-organisation of Indian states, this must be done on the basis of a national re-evaluation. This calls for a second States Re-organisation Commission.

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  129. http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/if-not-skc-then-an-src/421254/

    Titled If Not SKC Then SRC

    Simple numbers tell a tale. In the forty years since the first separate Telangana agitation of 1969, this region has done well for itself, especially when compared to the really more backward Rayalaseema region. Why then did the agitation launched by Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) leader K Chandrashekhara Rao in 2001 catch on? Partly because a desperate Congress party breathed life into it to bring down the Telugu Desam government of Chandrababu Naidu. It is well known that the Congress underestimated its chances of victory in Andhra Pradesh in 2004 and joined the TRS platform. In the event, it was the TRS that benefited from the alliance with the Congress. However, poor handling of Mr Rao’s ego and intra-party games in New Delhi revived TRS fortunes.

    After conducting an impartial enquiry, the Sri Krishna Committee has come to the conclusion that keeping Andhra Pradesh united, but offering Telangana certain constitutional guarantees and developmental support would be the best way forward.

    The SKC report is right to assert that state formation in India cannot be made merely in response to agitational politics and violence. If there is a case for the re-organisation of Indian states, this must be done on the basis of a national re-evaluation. This calls for a second States Re-organisation Commission.

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  130. In fact, SKC recommendation for a regional council should only be a stop-gap measure till devolution of power to local governments in a united state of AP. The regional council is a quasi-constitutional body that should be disbanded as soon as possible as it will be used as a model for similar problems and politicians will repeat the similar process of ignoring it as it does not have constitutional basis.

    Devolution of power to local governments is the ultimate solution, as identified by SKC.

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  131. As an aside, Sujai maybe you should include Mises's Human Action and the more recent The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley. The Road to Serfdom by Hayek would also be a nice addition.

    By the way I saw your list just recently. Maybe I was blind enough not to go through rest of the blog. I surprised myself by agreeing with you on few things except this Telangana issue (or more specifically Hyderabad as an UT issue).

    And it looks like you seem to have a sort of leftist view of things (Na, I aint saying you are a Marxist kind of leftist). :)

    As much as I am not a Ayn Rand kind of rightist. So it goes.

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  132. @Sera

    Sujai is leftist and thats the tragedy. He is benefiting professionally from the pro-market steps that govt is taking but he thinks a confluence of Arundhati Roy, MF Hussain, Left-leaning liberal media, Kashmir separatists, maxal-agenda-inspired KCR is what is required for this country.

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  133. @Aravind

    I agree. I too find that dichotomy. Kanchi Ilaiah whom we met put it best - these guys (he means the telangana proponents) roam in their innovas and take advantage of the capitalist world but when it comes to power they want to take the socialist road as it suits their needs. They are just opportunist drunkards is how he summed them (which I feel was a bit harsh).

    We of course don't agree with Kanchi Ilaiah's views which are leftist but we met him to get an idea of what this movement was all about a long time back.

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  134. Aravind:

    Sujai is leftist and thats the tragedy.

    I not a leftist. Its your assumption. I criticize Left when I have to. On a broad note, I believe in a constitutional democracy founded on secular principles.

    However, I do believe in welfare states where socialist agendas are embraced while pursuing capitalism in the market.

    Western Europe is a good example of that - they are welfare states with socialist agendas but have capitalist markets.

    Coming to the current topic of Telangana, I believe that a mature democracy would have resolved this long ago. To start with, it would have created Telangana in 1956, or at the most in 1969. India and Indians are confused about where they stand on issues of democracy. They believe they are mature democracy when it comes to opinion polls but none of their actions reflect that.

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  135. Aravind, sera, et al:

    Not that it really matters. But I explain myself a bit at:
    http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/where-do-i-stand.html

    That should clarify your doubts and help you put me into a 'slot'. I guess that will make you happy to find some 'tag' to brand me. Please go ahead.

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  136. @sera go join tea party movement u will find "your" kind of people, most of the scandinavian govts have a leftist streak, adopted welfare state models and are the most "developed" capitalist countries. Only ayn rand fans like u think "socialism" and "development" are contradictory

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  137. some one has said the Nalgonda & mahaboobnagar districts are developed, am not agree with this..
    i feel the SKC report was meaningless..
    Report forms

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  138. The below is from http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Demand-for-states-along-linguistic-lines-gained-momentum-in-the-50s/articleshow/7250365.cms

    But first, a bill on the matter has to be referred by the President to the legislature of whichever state (or states) is affected by the proposed change in area, boundary or name, so that the legislature can express its views within a certain period. Once the President has ascertained the views of the state government, a resolution is tabled before the assembly. Once the resolution is passed by the assembly, it has to pass a bill creating the new state. Finally, a separate bill on the matter is introduced and passed in Parliament on the recommendation of the President. Once the bill is ratified by the President, the new state is formed.

    I think the article is wrong to say "resolution". I think it is only opinion which can be dismissed or not-taken-into-account by the centre. But it is necessary and part of the process of Article 3.

    My question is what if (repeatedly) people keep resigning and the "state assembly" does not exist at all to give its opinion. Then the process cannot be done.

    In such a case both sides will be forced to come to a "settlement" and they have to move to the FOURTH option or some avatar of it.

    Maybe brighter minds with law backgrounds can reflect on it.

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  139. Sera:

    Manoj Mitta's article did not feature in the South. It was published in the North. That's how even TOI is divided.

    The below is from http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Demand-for-states-along-linguistic-lines-gained-momentum-in-the-50s/articleshow/7250365.cms

    Saw that article in the morning. Very upsetting that major media houses are resorting to such intellectual dishonesty.

    It has become even more difficult for us to fight, with so much misinformation campaign that has been launched against the movement.

    Well. The stiffer the resistance, the stiffer the fight, I guess.

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  140. sera:

    But it is necessary and part of the process of Article 3.

    It is not a 'necessary' condition.

    Article 3 is pretty clear on this. It does not include any reference to State Assembly, and the discussions of the authors of the Constitution which are usually used to interpret a particular article in the Constitution clearly indicates the rationale for NOT including the state in the process.

    I am not able to find hands on one of the Supreme Court ruling which interpreted this during Gujarat-Maharashtra imbroglio.

    In the recent past, Central Government got into the practice of introducing the topic in State Assembly to get an opinion (or resolution if that is possible). It has been a practice which was over and above what is prescribed, but definitely NOT a necessary condition.

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  141. Another such propaganda is the sms and opinion poll campaign....

    I recently got to know about one..

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpoll.pollcode.com%2FCsdj%2520&h=42c3a

    Intellectual Dishonesty at its best..

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  142. Hi all,
    telangana movement is really at its peak. True sacrifices have started. Take the case of Sujai.
    Instead of making money on a working day, he is educating people about honetsy/dishonesty.

    How much you lose per day sujai?

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  143. I know lot of Seemandhra people are making useless comments. But let me tell you straight, Telanga is going to happen for sure, i can't say certain time, but well before 2014 elections.

    what the sri krishna report says is

    option 1: maintain status quo

    option 6: Keeping state united simultaneously providing certain definite constitutional/statutory rights.

    what option 6 says is from last 54 years telangana was under unconstitutional rights. The seemandhra people should admit this.

    I think Sri Krishna committee memebers were bitten by mad dog. I think telangana people needs to join sri krishna committee members in Erragadda Mental Hospital.

    Providing Certain definite constitutional/statutory rights to one region is unconstitutional. Constitutional rights are meant for entire india, not one single region.


    The present UPA government needs 2/3 majority in parliament to produce certain/definite constitutional/statutory rights bill for telangana. The opposition political parties are going to condemn this. And the bill never wins in the parliament.

    So, the alternative is option 5, which needs normal majority in parliament.

    The merger of Hyderabad state and Andhra state happened before First SRC(state reorganisation Committee). So there is no problem to produce telanga bill in the parliament.

    UPA is not interested in giving telangana,there is no future for congress in Andhra pradesh.

    In the telangana TRS/BJP is going to clean sweep the Congress party. In the Seemandhra Region it is going to get tough fight between JAGAN/CBN. BY keeping this in mind, i think congress party is going to give telangana in 2013 after maintaing party status in both sides. I think soon AP will be under Presedential Rule to control the situation in telangana and Seemandhra.

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  144. Corruption has infiltrated in all walks of life, telangana report is a result of intellectual and ideological corruption

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  145. Well buddies,
    Every body is good, every body has his own point, and its not wrong also. But take the family subject, you shd not give benefit to individual, the Malik should see in totality. Let the aspirations of Telangana fulfilled, let the aspirations of Hyderabadis (UT) fulfilled and the same for Seemandhra. With uncontrolled aspirations of the individuals in the entire country being fulfilled by politicians, do you think that there is no problem at all and the universe sleeps peacefully.

    Think above what we are, not as koopasta mandookams, but rational analysis and the facts in total, serve the nation to benefit the individual. I suspect there may be different of 15 to 20% wrong data (in fact, may be actual data). Even then, one cannot prefer Telangana, and abuse Seemandhra.
    Dont solve the statehood problems with aspirations of the region, but for the welfare of the society. Political agenda is not to benefit the individual, but for the society. Let the individual develops on his own based on the opportunities given by the society and help for the welfare of the society.

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  146. Well buddies,
    Every body is good, every body has his own point, and its not wrong also. But take the family subject, you shd not give benefit to individual, the Malik should see in totality. Let the aspirations of Telangana fulfilled, let the aspirations of Hyderabadis (UT) fulfilled and the same for Seemandhra. With uncontrolled aspirations of the individuals in the entire country being fulfilled by politicians, do you think that there is no problem at all and the universe sleeps peacefully.

    Think above what we are, not as koopasta mandookams, but rational analysis and the facts in total, serve the nation to benefit the individual. I suspect there may be different of 15 to 20% wrong data (in fact, may be actual data). Even then, one cannot prefer Telangana, and abuse Seemandhra.
    Dont solve the statehood problems with aspirations of the region, but for the welfare of the society. Political agenda is not to benefit the individual, but for the society. Let the individual develops on his own based on the opportunities given by the society and help for the welfare of the society.

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  147. http://www.myteluguroots.com/vindication/comment-page-2/#comment-3897

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  148. @Krishna,
    Please stop your lecture about the welfare of the society & the world !

    People often forget that..Hyderabad during Nizams & Hyderabad in present Andhra Pradesh was developed at the cost of Telangana people. It sucked blood, money, taxes and resources from telangana districts. This would be part of telangana.

    This clearly shows seemandhra's desperate intention to live on telangana people & its resources.

    Very Shameful!! Go & Live your lives, develop your own seemandhra instead of falling on neighboring states. Chee… Poo anna siggu raadu !!

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  149. I am not sure why seemaandhra people are making such a fuss on T issue. I am from Seema and I think that separation is good for both regions. Seemaandhra will get a new capital, land prices will rise spurring economic growth since capital is created freely. Likewise Telangana will grow, now being a smaller state and already having growth engines like Hyderabad and vast natural resources.

    Please guys put an end to this squabble.

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  150. Mr. Naidu,
    No body could have stopped you for 60 years if it is your land, and others are settlers. Stop poking others, live you life and let the others. If hyd is developed only with Telangana blood, where is that smell, where is that official report, how can you prove. No way you can, because its is not true. If that much resources are there with you, whyt that much difference in per capita income from post andhra and preandhra. Come and see the real life, dont make halucinating statements. No personal abuse please, dont lose tongue. It does not help even to satisfy your ego.

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  151. @ Krishna,
    It is not naidu, it is nandu. You must be crazy to ask the official report , you should sometimes use god given brains to think before asking !!
    "whyt that much difference in per capita income from post andhra and preandhra"
    That’s the growth story of India brother!! It’s not AP/Telangana alone; Development was in all over India, due to our policies & India opening up its market to the world
    I ask you one simple question, what development have you (SA people) done for Hyderabad?
    Please don't stack the list with Hi-Tech City, Airport & Flyovers/.You should remember, It was not built from the pockets of SA Chief ministers or SA people, it was built from the Hyderabad revenues /by giving up Telangana land on the name of SEZs, by compromising the development of Telangana Districts,by funds from Centre& Loans from World Bank.
    And if you think your personal business & real estate & film studios has developed Hyderabad. I am sure you would agree, it wasn’t for any intentional favor to develop Hyderabad. It was to fulfill your personal/ business interests /dreams & make some money. (You have every right to go, live & start a business in India).You cannot claim the development of the whole city for the petty pennies you have spent for your personal gain. I will be waiting for the list of the development done by SA people exclusively done by compromising their personal interest.

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  152. Dear Nandu,
    Thanks to confirm at least T is not underdeveloped.
    Report categorically given the numbers with percentage and periodical difference, comparing regionwise, with proven RBI data. I never mentioned H is exclusively developed by SA, its a collective effort. I really proud of our state, even if I have no single foot of property. Its an emotional mine-ness. SEZs are recent issues, and H is investment capital due to state's capital for 60 years and its industrial, tolly-wood, computer savvy. It is attributable to whole AP victory. I left my state 13 years ago staying in Delhi. And I proudly say that I'm APean, like Punjabi, Marathi, Bihari and Tamilian, Keralite.
    Bye and again thanx for courteous writings.

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  153. Krishna, We all can still be proud being a Telugu/Gulti and more as an Indian. If you feel that you won’t have access to Hyderabad, that’s completely absurd. It is always ours; you can always feel as your home.

    What I strongly recommend is let us separate & develop another planned capital city for AR. You demand more money from Telangana & central Govt to develop a modern city in India & make agreements on all the security & safety of AR people/business in Hyderabad & in Telangana.

    India deserves more than six cities for 1.2 Billion people. Think about it.. more jobs in new state administration, more projects, new infra structure& more money flow, which is all good for the total economy.

    FYI- I left my country before 10 years, I am talking about our mutual growth & common good for all telugus. Telugu people are living together fighting & Blaming & blocking each other’s development.

    See Gujarat, where it is now? They felt much unsecured when they got divided from Bombay Presidency, leaving Bombay to Maharashtra in 1960’s.

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  154. Naidu,
    dividing state for better growth was never an issue. It could have happened easily if not for senseless comments of KCR and few other Congress leaders like Jeevan reddy. Nobody ever offered an approach for separation. Arrogant PC made an announcement w/o taking anybody into confidence.
    Man this is my opinion only. Separatists or Samaikhyavaadis have nothing to do with it.

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  155. Dear Nandu,
    U R in right direction. But there are problems as well as benefits with your proposals. No guarantee for employment opportunities since the existing strength has to be adjusted between the regions to be separated. And the net result is political employment due to duplication of portfolios, but not for unemployees since the recruitment depends upon area and population which is always constant even it is separated or not. But infrastructure in to-be- capital-city of seemandhra may improve for providing secretariat, highcourt and other office buildings. The net result is loss for common man, but gain for rich and politicians.

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  156. Krishna, Why do you see that as a loss for a common man? New cities & infrastructure has to be developed for efficient & effective administration & better service. The population has to be distributed instead of crowding in one city.

    It is high time, things got to change in India, to pick the pace & stand up in the world. During the formation of AP, the population was way less than half of what we have now. Most people now feel that they’ve been neglected, you hear this from every part of the state, it is due to poor governance, poor administration & lack of accountability from leaders & admin.

    Let us divide as states & be united as telugus.

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  157. Got the below content from my freind

    SRIKRISHNA COMMITTEE

    IGNORES

    TELENGANA LANDLESS LABOURERS

    By

    Gautam Pingle

    637 words

    The Srikrishna Committee while speaking about the poorest of the poorer - the landless agricultural laborers - in Telangana - says the following:

    On the other hand, the Telangana region is experiencing a considerable erosion of relative income amongst the relatively poorer sections, although the richest seem to have gained during the reference period. (p.107)

    This analysis provides credence to the fact that the most of the deprived communities in Telangana are facing hardship. (p.108)

    Such deepening inequity in Telangana can not only sustain the separatist agitation but it can also carry it further and increase its intensity. (p.119)

    But, what is revealing is the fact that considerably larger proportions have reported themselves as agricultural labourers in Telangana which has increased from 38% to 47%, and in Rayalaseema this share has increased from 24% to 39%. In coastal Andhra region, the share of agricultural labour has increased only by about one percent. (p.101)

    While the farmers in all regions have shown stable income or income which has hardly changed; the real income of the agricultural wage labour has declined considerably in Telangana, whereas it has increased considerably in coastal Andhra region (See Figure 2.39). (p.108)

    However, while it refers one to charts etc, it does not deal in the text with the real figures – instead it hides them in the Appendix Volume. Here they are:

    In Volume 2, Appendix Table 2-1 on page 121 , SKC the rural population in Telengana is 18.2 lakhs, in Rayalaseema 9 .0 lakhs and in Coastal Andhra 21.4 lakhs. Actually the figures are wrong- SKC missed decimal place! They are 182 lakhs for Telangana, 90 lakhs for Rayalaseema and 214 lakhs for Coastal Andhra- small mistake!!! Thus 47% of the rural population being agricultural laborers in Telengana means that nearly 85.5 lakhs are in this category. SKC admits that the “real income of the agricultural wage labour has declined considerably in Telangana” and refers us to another chart.

    This Chart when closely examined indicates that in the decade between 1993-94 and 2004-05 this group of Telangana people (nearly 90 lakhs persons) has seen a DECLINE of 35.9% in their income!!

    Over the same period, the 42.7 lakhs of the Rayalaseema group have suffered a real income decline of ONLY 6.7%. Wonder of wonders is that the same group in the Coastal Andhra over the same period – no figures are given by SKC for their numbers – but SKC says has ONLY increased by ONE percent and the real income of the whole group has INCREASED by a phenomenal 42.2%!!!

    So while real income (i.e., purchasing power) of Telengana’s worst placed economic group amounting to nearly ten million persons fell by 36% that of the same group over the same time in Coastal Andhra ROSE by 42%. Even trying to discount the deprivation in Telangana by comparing it with Rayalaseema (the SKC’s standard method) does not work as the decline in Rayalaseema is one-fifth of that in Telangana

    How does SKC explain it? They avoid it altogether and tell us stories of Telengana region GDP being great (Appendix 2.4 shows increases between 1993-94 and 2000-01 of 38%!), that the region is not backward (despite Government of India identifying 9 of the 10 Telangana districts for relied through the Backward Region Grants), irrigation increase is “whooping” (despite the fact that government irrigation acreage fell by 11 lakh acres) and crop productivity is as high or higher that in Andhra or Rayalaseema. Go tell all this to the ten million agricultural laborers whose real income fell by a third while their Andhra cousins saw an increase of 42%. No wonder their children are in revolt and their parents are solidly behind them and the cause for a Telangana state.

    Who did SKC talk to when they wandered around Telangana? Not, apparently to landless agricultural laborers.

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  158. Got the below content from my freind

    SRIKRISHNA COMMITTEE

    IGNORES

    TELENGANA LANDLESS LABOURERS

    By

    Gautam Pingle

    637 words

    The Srikrishna Committee while speaking about the poorest of the poorer - the landless agricultural laborers - in Telangana - says the following:

    On the other hand, the Telangana region is experiencing a considerable erosion of relative income amongst the relatively poorer sections, although the richest seem to have gained during the reference period. (p.107)

    This analysis provides credence to the fact that the most of the deprived communities in Telangana are facing hardship. (p.108)

    Such deepening inequity in Telangana can not only sustain the separatist agitation but it can also carry it further and increase its intensity. (p.119)

    But, what is revealing is the fact that considerably larger proportions have reported themselves as agricultural labourers in Telangana which has increased from 38% to 47%, and in Rayalaseema this share has increased from 24% to 39%. In coastal Andhra region, the share of agricultural labour has increased only by about one percent. (p.101)

    While the farmers in all regions have shown stable income or income which has hardly changed; the real income of the agricultural wage labour has declined considerably in Telangana, whereas it has increased considerably in coastal Andhra region (See Figure 2.39). (p.108)

    However, while it refers one to charts etc, it does not deal in the text with the real figures – instead it hides them in the Appendix Volume. Here they are:

    In Volume 2, Appendix Table 2-1 on page 121 , SKC the rural population in Telengana is 18.2 lakhs, in Rayalaseema 9 .0 lakhs and in Coastal Andhra 21.4 lakhs. Actually the figures are wrong- SKC missed decimal place! They are 182 lakhs for Telangana, 90 lakhs for Rayalaseema and 214 lakhs for Coastal Andhra- small mistake!!! Thus 47% of the rural population being agricultural laborers in Telengana means that nearly 85.5 lakhs are in this category. SKC admits that the “real income of the agricultural wage labour has declined considerably in Telangana” and refers us to another chart.

    This Chart when closely examined indicates that in the decade between 1993-94 and 2004-05 this group of Telangana people (nearly 90 lakhs persons) has seen a DECLINE of 35.9% in their income!!

    Over the same period, the 42.7 lakhs of the Rayalaseema group have suffered a real income decline of ONLY 6.7%. Wonder of wonders is that the same group in the Coastal Andhra over the same period – no figures are given by SKC for their numbers – but SKC says has ONLY increased by ONE percent and the real income of the whole group has INCREASED by a phenomenal 42.2%!!!

    So while real income (i.e., purchasing power) of Telengana’s worst placed economic group amounting to nearly ten million persons fell by 36% that of the same group over the same time in Coastal Andhra ROSE by 42%. Even trying to discount the deprivation in Telangana by comparing it with Rayalaseema (the SKC’s standard method) does not work as the decline in Rayalaseema is one-fifth of that in Telangana

    How does SKC explain it? They avoid it altogether and tell us stories of Telengana region GDP being great (Appendix 2.4 shows increases between 1993-94 and 2000-01 of 38%!), that the region is not backward (despite Government of India identifying 9 of the 10 Telangana districts for relied through the Backward Region Grants), irrigation increase is “whooping” (despite the fact that government irrigation acreage fell by 11 lakh acres) and crop productivity is as high or higher that in Andhra or Rayalaseema. Go tell all this to the ten million agricultural laborers whose real income fell by a third while their Andhra cousins saw an increase of 42%. No wonder their children are in revolt and their parents are solidly behind them and the cause for a Telangana state.

    Who did SKC talk to when they wandered around Telangana? Not, apparently to landless agricultural laborers.

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  159. SKC report is a classic case of ankella garadi ...
    I am surprised by the percentages used to measure development. Even a kid understands a small improvement from low numbers would obviously show good percentage growths ..

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  160. "SKC report is a classic case of ankella garadi ...
    I am surprised by the percentages used to measure development. Even a kid understands a small improvement from low numbers would obviously show good percentage growths .."

    Yes a small kid would understand but not a T fanantic. SKC gave absolute figures along with percentage growth. Go and read the report before talking nonsense

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  161. Hi sujai,
    I appreciate your efforts about Telangana cause.
    I've gone through some of the comments here, and am pretty sure many morons, wanna be intellectuals are in here. if they are bothering you with their non-sense, please direct them to: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_185638071454400&ap=1
    I ll try and dust their minds.

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  162. Just one point:

    "To untrained readers which happen to be 99.9999% of the readers in India"

    You say Intellectual dishonesty? This is intellectual arrogance.

    Now you decide if you wish to be the pot or the kettle

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  163. aGoodForNothingIndianOctober 18, 2013 6:09 PM

    Let us all agree for now that:
    1. SKC is intellectually dis-honest and they are all morons.
    2. Everyone else except the Telangana proponents are all dim-witted idiots
    3. Telangana people who migrated to US or other country for jobs are not parasites, but all non-Telanganite Indians living in Hyderabad are parasites, insects and worms
    4. Telangana with a city like Hyderabad generating 50,000 Crores of revenue p.a. is the most backward region of the entire country


    Having said that, can any super-intellectual Telanganite answer these below questions for me:
    1. How are these agitations contributing to Telangana or AP's development, is Telangana getting better or worse over an entire decade of self-destruction movements?
    2. Say a state is really formed. What happens after that?

    a) Are you going to send away non-Telanganites out of Hyderabad? Can such laws be made by the political parties fighting for the state creation? Isn't that against the constitutionally guaranteed basic rights of a citizen, which says any Indian can live, work, do a business anywhere in India? You still have to live with them. You can never get rid of them, that is a hopeless wish.. whether sensible or not.
    b) Can private businesses be stopped coming to Telangana? Will you stop Google and Microsoft from setting up their offices in Hyderabad, calling it as cultural pollution? Will you force Bill-gates to dance for Bathukamma ceremony if he comes to Hyderabad?
    Who are you going to stop from coming in and through what means? You cannot make such protectionist-laws specific to a region.
    c) Public employment in lower cadres, where majority of jobs are there, is already categorized into zonal system, where any violations that are there are not more than 15000 employees. Solving such problems doesnt' require bifurcation. 15000 jobs out of crores of population is too small a problem to ruin ourselves like this by agitations.
    d) Most of the education sector is privatized now. So what are you going to achieve there?

    Any seats in existing govt. colleges, employment cadres, revenues of Hyderabad will be shared as a part of the state-bifurcation bill at least for 10-15 years, by which time there will be an alternate for Hyderabad in Seemandhra. (dont foolishly assume that you can have it all for yourselves starting the day1 of bifurcation. Thats what these politicians will make you believe, but thats really insensible, wont happen. Bill will create a balance w.r.t employement and revenue sharing)
    The same effort of creating an alternate economic, educational & employment centre in seemandhra can be formed without bifurcation also, and you can get rid of half of the people through softer means, than ruining everything for everyone through non-stop political agitations.

    The only guaranteed immediate thing that will happen after bifurcation is that some politicians who were cabinet/other ministers will now contend for Chief-Minister posts. And then they will fight between each-other on the basis of caste, religion and even using their money power to take the hot-seat of CM post. Seemandhra will get into another fight about where its capital should be. Guntur or Kurnool. This side political dogs will also fight for dominance.
    Nothing good will happen to any telugu common-man after bifurcation, on any of the two sides. This is a purely politician favoring 'cause' (if you can dare to call it a 'cause')

    All that is happening is just a political game because our leaders cannot settle upon who gets to become the CM amicably between themselves. And we're all burning ourselves for it.
    Just think for once, what is a common-man or a poor-man of Telangana going to acheive?

    I leave it to your judgement to assess who are the morons here; if there is even a little bit of 'intellect' there.

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    1. Dear aGoodForNothingIndian (nice name):

      2. Everyone else except the Telangana proponents are all dim-witted idiots

      We don’t believe that. In fact, most political parties in India have endorsed the separation of Telangana. I think the only dim-witted idiots are those who are crying hoarse for keeping the state united, though the current opinion across all political circles is to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh.

      3. Telangana people who migrated to US or other country for jobs are not parasites, but all non-Telanganite Indians living in Hyderabad are parasites, insects and worms

      We don’t believe that either. But yes, all those non-Telanganite Seemandhras who have illegally taken up the jobs that should have actually gone to Telangana people are considered illegal. Whether you want to call all illegal job-holders parasites, insects and worms is up to each you. But this blog doesn’t encourage such characterization, and therefore has never used those words to describe those illegal job-holders.

      4. Telangana with a city like Hyderabad generating 50,000 Crores of revenue p.a. is the most backward region of the entire country.

      We believe that there was lopsided development in Telangana, where Seemandhra politicians were only keen on developing Hyderabad because it suited their interests, while they kept rest of Telangana backward – which is attested by Union Government which categorized almost all nine districts of Telangana as backward.

      Having said that, can any super-intellectual Telanganite answer these below questions for me:

      It doesn’t take a ‘super-intellectual’ Telanganite to answer them. Any ordinary Telanganite has these answers.

      1. How are these agitations contributing to Telangana or AP's development, is Telangana getting better or worse over an entire decade of self-destruction movements?

      These agitations are going to emancipate Telangana from the colonial rule of Seemandhras – it is akin to Indian Independence Movement which tried to throw the rule of British. The nearly thirty-year struggle for Indian Independence is not described as ‘self-destruction movement’. In the same way, the Civil Rights Movement in United States is not described as ‘self-destruction movement’. Similarly, the current Telangana Movement of nearly thirteen years will be described as the movement for liberating nearly 35 million people from the clutches of colonial rule.

      Telangana is going to be better off, the way India was better off after British rule ended in India, and the way Blacks were better off after they got their equal rights in United States

      2. Say a state is really formed. What happens after that?

      Wait and watch ;-) [That would be the appropriate answer].

      To start with we will utilize the water that rightfully belongs to Telangana instead of losing it illegally to Seemandhra. That itself will bring in a sea change in Telangana people’s lives. The list is long – but I don’t think I need to share it with you – what’s your interest?

      a) Are you going to send away non-Telanganites out of Hyderabad?

      No.

      b) Can private businesses be stopped coming to Telangana?

      No.


      You cannot make such protectionist-laws specific to a region.

      We have no intention of making ‘protectionist-laws’.

      Your questions make it clear that you do not understand why we fight for separate Telangana.

      c) Public employment in lower cadres, where majority of jobs are there, is already categorized into zonal system, where any violations that are there are not more than 15000 employees.

      Why should there be violations in the first place? Why weren’t the remedies acted upon?

      Solving such problems doesnt' require bifurcation. 15000 jobs out of crores of population is too small a problem to ruin ourselves like this by agitations.

      We didn’t fight for jobs alone. What about water?

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