Hyderabad, Tank Bund, 03 Feb 10: Dileep Konatham
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@Mallika - Yeah, ok, you already got enough reactions on other posts for the same comment - so stay out of this spammer!
ReplyDeleteMallika you are no different from that guy.
ReplyDeleteYou are trying to utilize this to support your imperialistic agenda.
Take it easy.
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ReplyDeleteThe chain was a flop show.
ReplyDeleteSchool kids were forced into it.
Many fainted.
Watch this....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0VqAi6hDM
Awesome Telangana guy vs Andhra Guy
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteYou have shown that andhra attitude in your comments. People like you will never change. You are another lagadapati in the making...
I am back guys. So whats happening ,no more hatred whipping posts from our dear Sujai.
ReplyDeleteAny way 'polikeka' proved the DORA Telangana theory decisively. Dalits and OBC students should ask their parents and grandparents ,how were their lives were unders the DORA system and how their lives changed after abolition of Patel patwari system. Do you guys really want to give up your freedom and go back under the DORA rule once again
@Reality
ReplyDeleteMay be you didn't watch the whole show. None of the guys identified who attacked Manda Krishna. Why can't we assume this is a good screenplay by United Andhra guys? If any one identify then truth will come out.
And finally, after the incident Mandha Krishan clearly announced in TV9 that, "first we will fight for Telangana then if it is required we will fight again for our rights in separated Telangana, our first goal is to get separated state we have already facing discrimination in United Andhra any way."
Reality
ReplyDeleteyou are commenting on a dora funded agenda......
If I change few words in Reality's comment, that looks like following... heheheheeh....
ReplyDeleteTelangana students should ask their parents and grandparents ,how were their lives were under the Andhra discrimination system and how their lives will change after abolition of Andhra discrimination system. Do you guys really want to give up your and your childern's freedom and go back under the Andhra rule?
Good to see the humor back on...Let's celebrate the freedom granted by Andhra saviours...They have been rescuing us from Doras...Lolzzz
ReplyDelete@ green star
ReplyDeleteManda krishna clearly said that upper caste doras want dalits ,BCs to committ suicides ,go to jail etc but will never share power. This would have opened the eyes of atleast few dalits and BCs.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteYou missing the point again.
BJP and Congress may fight each day in Delhi for each and every internal matters but if the issue is about Pakistan then they most likely work together (like Kargil)
Same way what Krishna saying is in the case of Backward Vs Forward castes he fight for Backward, and if it is Telangana Vs. Andhra they will fight for Telangana.
As per Krishna now they are facing two discriminations, one is Andhra's discrimination against whole Telangana(including BC/SC/ST class people)and second one is BC/SC/ST class discrimination in whole Andhra Pradesh. His opinion is if telangana gets its fair share in every way then they can talk about there fair share. One problem at a time. When Telangana is not getting its righful share of bread then there is no point of asking BC/SC/ST fair share in that. And Kirshna knows about it. And it is already proved in this forum before that who is Dalit's Champion (Telangana or Andhra).
hehehehehh.......
@ Green star
ReplyDelete//And it is already proved in this forum before that who is Dalit's Champion (Telangana or Andhra). //
already proved in this forum . Lol , things stated on this forum are not gospel truths.
Anyway getting back to point in question, MRPS fought all these years to split reservation benefits among SCs . This move failed due to legal problems. Now they are settling for Telangana state as a resolution for this issue. Their logic is that Madigas who are majority in Telangana will not have to compete with malas who are majority in andhra.
Now if Telangana was a Dalits champion why are their dalits behind their coastal peers.
So what you are saying is MRPS supporting Telangana. Thanks for clearing this.
ReplyDeleteAnd you want to call Telangana SC/ST/BC people not to fight for Telangana, so that there ultimate dream will not fullfil. hehehehe... see the flaw in your logic? Take a deep breath and think clearly about what you want to tell then write here. Some times you say that dalits do not want to fight for telanganan because of Doras, some times you says that they want to fight for telangana because they benefit with that. I am confused....heheheheheh......
Didn't some one posted here about how many SC/ST discrimination(mass murdering?) cases happened throughout the AP by region wise? Didn't that report concludes the Andhra's are Dalit champions? (in discriminating)
@ Green star
ReplyDeleteMy point is Andhra dalits were ahead of their telangana peers because andhra landlords allowed them to go to schools, allowed them to develop unlike Telangana doras who treated dalits like slaves . This slavery in Telangana only stopped with abolition of patel-patwari system. Thats why Telangana dalits are behind when compared with their andhra peers.
To One and All commenting on this blog:
ReplyDeleteReality has some very peculiar characteristics. He may rest in peace ... if you do let him!
TO sum up his previous comments on this blog (some of which are lost when intense debate add-on was removed):
1. Telanganas are lazy.
2. Telanganas are dumb.
3. Telanganas are backward because of Dora System.
4. Telangana BC and dalits are being mis-led.
5. Telangana students are being mis-led.
6. Separatism is mass-hysteria.
7. The suicides are not real.
8. Andhras are get more jobs because they deserve them.
9. The Telanganas are hooligans.
10. The Telangana movement is being led by naxals.
With the above line of stinky offense, Reality expects people to see this "wisdom" and follow his thinking.
I wonder... why .... intelligent people on this blog ... dont let him rest in peace... and bask in his glory... and feel good about his brains?
KINDLY IGNORE THIS PERSON. HE/SHE HAS NO RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS (OF OTHER PEOPLE).
Dogs do get tired of barking to a tree.
Reality.. the champion of dalits.. of massacring them, raping their women, stealing their property, burning their houses is back!
ReplyDelete//HE/SHE HAS NO RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS//
ReplyDeleteTelangana student JAC leader stated in polikeka yesterday that if centre doesn't table telangana bill in Parliament , they will not allow andhra people in Telangana. Now this clearly shows how much respect telangana fanatics have for individual rights.
Reality should listen to Dalit Maha Sabha leader from Andhra Katti Padma Rao speak about the conditions of Dalits.
ReplyDeleteKatti Padma Rao
Dalits in Telangana have a degree of freedom that is unimaginable to the dalits of Andhra. Dalits in Telangana own lakhs of acres, while all the dalits in Andhra own 30,000 acres of land. Dalits in Telangana have freedom of expression, which dalits in Andhra are shit-scared. He earnestly requests the people of Telangana to provide them a forum to fight for their rights in Andhra.
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ReplyDeleteIf I change few words of Reailty's previous comment it looks like below. hehehehe.....
ReplyDeleteMy point is Andhra people were ahead of their telangana peers because andhra leaders allowed there own Andhra people to steal telangana jobs, allowed them to steal telangana water/funds unlike Andhra leaders who treated Telangana people like slaves . This slavery in Telangana only stopped with abolition of Andhra rule in Telangana land. Thats why Telangana people are behind when compared with their andhra peers.
I am with Telangana_Bidda, its time to stop replying to Reailty's stupid comments. If he comes with debatable legit issue then I think about replying him, so far I wasted my time with him. If I have some free time I will use it to make fun of him for his stupidity.
Hi real moron, its been longtime.
ReplyDeleteDid you go to therapy all these days, still you are not cured.
Regarding ur comment Once telangana formws it is reuled by doras. You are talking like Bristish , they sadi india would be divided into pieces once they give independence. Grow up. People are educated now they wont allow any dora thing in T. As well as Media is there. You know why dora pettanam went off in T, its not becos of patel system , its only becos of naxalites. Go and ask any dalits in T they would say the same.
@ Rajendra Moron
ReplyDeleteAtleast you are accepting that there was a 'Dora Pettanam' in Telangana, many of your fellow telanganites are denying the existence of Doras after the end of Nizam rule.
Also type slowly, you are making too many spelling mistakes.
@ Idler
ReplyDeleteKatti's views are in contradiction to Manda krishna's views . Katti says Andhra dalits are very backward ,while manda krishna says they are developed enough to corner majority of reservations meant for Dalits in AP.
Don't paint rosy picture for Dalits and BC in Telangana.
ReplyDeleteMaybe there are RELATIVLY better off compared to Andhra. I think they just out number upper caste.
In Hyderabad a BC maid does not wash SC's dinner plates. Goudas use 'soodrudu' just casually.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteI get irritated when ever I see your stupid comments. No one claimed that there was no Dora system after the merge. Every one saying that Dora system is not anymore in Telangana.
Even the world super power America suffered with Black's discrimination for a very long time. But it is not anymore, and it will not come back.
Another funny thing.,,,
Reality says Andhra dalits are more educated and developed compared to Telangana dalits.
Katti says Andhra dalits are very backward.
heheheheh....hehe... so who is telling the truth? Is Reality just making this up to support his claim that he take care of dalits very well?
If anyone ask me, I trust Katti's statement instead of kon kiska Reality's statement.
@ green star
ReplyDeleteManda krishna also says that Andhra Dalits are more educated and developed compared to Telangana dalits , thats why he fought for 'SC Categorization' earlier , now that didnt work out , he wants to achieve categorization through Telangana.
Now choose between Katti's views and Manda krishna's views.
//Manda krishna also says that Andhra Dalits are more educated and developed compared to Telangana dalits , thats why he fought for 'SC Categorization' earlier , now that didnt work out , he wants to achieve categorization through Telangana.//
ReplyDeleteYou already said that before and we clearly understand.
//Now choose between Katti's views and Manda krishna's views. //
hehehe ...I understand you are not able to defend you self after making self goal.
Reality and Katti are from same region, so you both talk about this and come up with one statement.
Once again violence unleashed against Andhra business interests. Telangana fanatics showing their naxal attitude by attacking theaters featuring 'Adurs' . Prof Kodandaram says that Andhra businesses which oppose telangana will not be allowed to function. Is this man a professor or a naxalite.
ReplyDeleteThis is the sorry state of lawlessness in AP. Anyway this proves my theory of how settlers will not be safe in Telangana state.
Hello Reality, welcome back. I think you and Katti didn't come up with one statement. And I understand why you do not want to continue that debate. For next time please don't just shoot your own monkey mind here, if you do make a statement you should backup till your death. But any way, we agree that non of Andhra leaders seems to have a habit of standing on there words. Before elections they supported for Telangana and now they are not. Same way they gave many promises to Telangana in the form of Agreements, GOs and they do not stand on that. We understand that very well.
ReplyDeleteAnd coming to the current point, first I ask every one to hats-off to 'Reality' for showing us the 'reality'.
Yes, Ap is a sorry state of lawlessness. When they broke the Gentlemen's Agreement, there is still law in the AP. When they steal the Telangana funds and caught(In 1969) by central Audit there is still law in AP. When they caught stealing Telangana jobs and caught many times in the past there is law in AP. When all telangana people asking for there right ful share of jobs, funds and water and Govt. didn't care for them there is still law in AP. When Girglaini Commission come up with a report saying around 2lak jobs in Telangana illegally occupied by non-locals and Govt. did nothing about it, there is still law in the AP. When they broke Six point formula, and GO610 there is still law in AP. But sadly when Telangana agitators banned the Kodali Nani's movie to counter this stupid statements then there is no law in AP. claps every one.
Reality, is this you want to say to this? I don't think I misunderstand you.
Kodali Nani is playing cheap tricks to get money from insurance companies. Adurs movie is massively suffered from pirated cds. And collections have gone down. So to make money Kodali Nani playing disgusting play in disguise of 'Freedom of speech'. This proves only about how far a Andhrite Politicians or Business mans can go beyond morals to gain money and they do not care if people suffer for there actions.
AP has became a lawless state and soon may turn into JUD's play ground..Thanks to Telangana goons.
ReplyDeleteonce a hitech state on accelerated growth path soon becomming a play ground of JUD and Doras. Its very unfortunate.
Hello Green star Moron
ReplyDeleteRegarding Katti's views i dont agree with them. But since we Andhra people believe in democracy we allow all kinds of opinions unlike Telanagana naxals. My views on andhra dalits are same as Manda krishna's who is right now being suppressed by telangana doras.
You guys are justifying violence shamelessly . Tommorow even if andhra people are killed in broad daylight you will say the same things or say that it is a andhra conspiracy.
Also gentlemen's agreement has no legal validity , it is a agreement between some zamindars of andhra region and some doras of telangana region.
Well you proved again that there is no end of your stupidity. And you losing your temper even though I clearly understand your comments about lawlessness in AP. Or don't I?
ReplyDeleteAbout Katti, you only take the statements which are favor to you. But you do not trust the statements who are from your own region. hehehehe.....
I shamelessly justify the violence as long as you guys shamelessly do not honor the agreements, GOs and laws and say that noting wrong betraying Telangana.
By the way you need to know that Charminar Cigarettes are banned in Andhra when 'Jai Andhra' movement was going on. How this is different with current situation? We learned this 'banning technique' from you guys. Thanks to you.
By the way whats the big deal about banning a movie? Who loose with that incident? Nani got huge ransome from insurance company. And finally you became fool for barking at Nani's side. hehehehe....
And why didn't you raise your voice when mobs in your area attacked reliance properties for false reason? Because it is not your interest. And same way you keep quite like mum when a Telanganite raise there voice for there justice for all this long.
@ green star
ReplyDelete//I shamelessly justify the violence as long as you guys shamelessly do not honor the agreements//
Fine ,keep doing more violence , that helps our case to make hyd a UT.
//By the way whats the big deal about banning a movie? //
Its not about banning a movie ,its about attacking businesses because of their political opinions , you naxals may not understand this democratic principles.
Reliance attacks were infightings within congress ,everyone condemns those attacks ,we dont justify violence in a democracy because we are not naxals
If Mighty Saviour of Uniter Andhra 'Mr. Nallomotu' analysis correct (As per him Telangana is super duper developed) how come central Govt. says differently?
ReplyDeleteCentral Govt. identified 13 districts in AP are backward and among them 9 districts are from Telangana.
That means 9 out of 10 districts in Telangana are backwarded and only Hyderabad is developed. That means there is no development in Telangana in 56 years after state formation.
http://brgf.gov.in/brgfdistricts.asp
I am so eagerly waiting to see a stupid/baseless/funny comment from Reality to counter the central govt. report.
You again safely ignored about Charminar Cigarette fact. I expected that.
ReplyDeleteEveryone(Including JAC) condemns when Kavita/TRS banned the movie first time, now JAC banned that movie for good. United Andhra guys make money with movies playing in Telangana and use that money to fund United Andhra movement. So why do we support that. If any andhra business man benefiting from Telangana talk like this then he deserve treatment like this(read full statement of Nani). Other andhra people's business have no problem here. Only insane people get such treatment.
//we dont justify violence in a democracy because we are not naxals//
Yes, you are not naxals. You are blood suckers, robbers and thieves.
//Reliance attacks were infightings within congress ,everyone condemns those attacks ,we dont justify violence//
Yes, when ever it suites, you supports violence, and when ever not you say you don't support because you are not naxal.
I see people with one tongue, few or with two and you got may be hundreds? Didn't your United Andhra guys burned buses after Dec-9 statement? Where are you that time? Isn't called violence?
@Reality
ReplyDeleteYou already kicked Katti for not talking in favor to you. Poor Katti, he just gave a small statement.
I wouldn't imagine what you will do with Mr. Narasimham from Andhra. He wrote a whole book about Andhra's discrimination and cunning against Telangana.
@ Green star
ReplyDeletePlease don't attempt to look at statistics , they are beyond your mental capacity.
Now for BRGF funds they have selected 'some of the' backward districts in the country . This list is not the final tally of backward districts. There are other backward districts also ,they probably will be covered in future. Ex: Srikakulam is missing from this list which is ranked 21 in both HDI and HPI .
link : http://www.aponline.gov.in/Apportal/HumanDevelopmentReport2007/APHDR_2007_Chapter2.pdf
Also , Nalamotu Chakravarthy didnt claim that telangana is super duper developed , he only said that it got its due share of water ,resources,revenue etc and its rate of growth is much better than rest of AP.
If Mighty Savioour Nallamotu comes up with statistics that every way Telangana got major share and rate of growth is much better than rest of AP then why the all Telangana districts considered as backward? Atleast one districts should have called as developed.
ReplyDelete//Now for BRGF funds they have selected 'some of the' backward districts in the country . This list is not the final tally of backward districts. There are other backward districts also ,they probably will be covered in future.//
Okey, lets assume you are correct. You need to understand one more thing that they start from the bottom, that means they start from the most backward districts but they do not just randomly select few districts. Even thought AP has few more back ward districts central considered those Telangana nine districts are most backward districts and it needs immediate attention.
//Please don't attempt to look at statistics , they are beyond your mental capacity.//
Please.... there are no statics, it is a very very very clear list. And I don't think your IQ is better than a Goat.
@ green star Toron
ReplyDeleteNizam sucked you guys dry , except for hyderabad he didnt do a single thing for rest of telangana. You were at rock bottom when merger happened. Today you are at a much better position compared to when nizam left you guys. This growth happened despite dora system and naxalism courtesy of surpluses from andhra region.
Also how are you assuming that BRGF districts are starting from most backward districts. Like i said before srikakulam is 21/23 in HDI and HPI parameters ,this is missing , that is not the list of most backward districts . Also how come Rangareddy is in that list ? that is ranked 5 and 2 in HDI and HPI .
Reality wrote:
ReplyDelete"Nizam sucked you guys dry , except for hyderabad he didnt do a single thing for rest of telangana. "
Aha...
you want to know what Nizam planned for rest of Hyderabad state (apart from Capital city), then - there is a place for you to visit!!
Go to NIZAM museum in old city (NOT salarjung) and see for your self... How many irrigation projects, railway lines, air-ports, industries were planned, proposed (foundation stones laid, designs / maps) - you will faint.
After merger with Andhra - none of the projects took off... who is to blame?????
@ Basha
ReplyDeleteI dont know what to say at your ignorance. What was Nizam waiting for ? 200 years of solo rule not enough ?
Some one wrote on a different forum that there was not even one high school in entire nalgonda district during Nizam time and finally Nizam agreed for one school after many requests . That is Nizam for you guys
Andhra took Nizam/Dora's position in Telangana after them.
ReplyDeleteTelangana always tops the other regions in Govt. revenue starting from the time of merge.
A small para from 1st SRC.
376. The existing Andhra State has faced a financial problem of some magnitude ever since it was crated and in comparison with Telangana the existing Andhra State has a low per capita revenue. Telangana, on the other hand, is much less likely to be faced with financial embarrassment. The much higher incidence of land revenue in Telangana and an excise revenue of the order of Rs.5 crores per annum principally explain this difference.
371. This will also solve the difficult and vexing problem of finding a permanent capital for Andhra, the twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad are very well suited to be the capital of Vishalandhra.
So it is clear that Telangana is in good shape except in the food. And Andhra is facing problems in finding a capital, and financial problems. Before the merge Andhra was the state with out a proper capital(can we call that tents a capital buildings? I don't know in which tent there CM used to sit...hehehehe).
And you want to say that central govt. report is wrong. Okey, I agree... you always conclude the information is wrong which ever didn't suite your argument.
By the way forget about Nalgonada high school in Nizam time, it's a long gone story. In AP as of 2008 there is no govt. degree college in whole RangaReddy district. What a shame.
Nizam engineer Ali Nawaz Jung (he is like Sir Arthur Cotton to Telangana) planned many projects and he met Indian govt many times regarding this before the independence. After the merge many of them are trashed. Check the history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZo7PFNc-F4&feature=related
You kicked Katti, Narasimam and central govt. Now its time for the First SRC. Keep going. I am counting your victories. ........
Look at the following new article. Even United Andhra band itself not united. hehehehe....
ReplyDeleteSeema do not want to go with Andhra in case of separation. They realized that the face the same situation like Telangana after few years in Saperate Andhra state.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/End-to-T-row-Form-Rayala-Telangana/articleshow/5515114.cms
Now Reality, its time to kick these Seema people too. hehehe......
@ Green star
ReplyDelete//So it is clear that Telangana is in good shape except in the food. And Andhra is facing problems in finding a capital, and financial problems.//
How did you arrive at the conclusion that Telangana was in good shape, 5 crores were coming from liquor sales ,which was banned in Andhra at that time. What were the income levels of telangana people ? They were one of the poorest in the country. There were very few schools, roads, hospitals , infrastructure in Telangana. English speaking workforce was almost absent in Telangana . While andhra already had 40 lakh plus acres already under irrigation, more educated people than telangana .
//you always conclude the information is wrong which ever didn't suite your argument. //
Yeah ,just like your Telangana supporters concluded nalamotu's data as wrong.
Why do Nizam,his engineers only plan projects ,but don't start them ? Oh ,i forgot , that money used to go for next Rolls royce for Nizam .
Also on topic of SRC, it gave the pros & cons of merger and asked to wait till 1961 elections for merger. It didnt recommend against merger as told by Telanganites.
//Now Reality, its time to kick these Seema people too. hehehe......//
ReplyDeleteWe are not in the business of kicking out our own telugu brothers ,unlike telangana people.
Its funny you called us Brothers when you hate us so much and sucked our blood for a very long time and discriminated us every single time.
ReplyDeleteI am not against to Nallamotu's data or I am fan of Prof. Jayasankar's data. I want to see the same numbers documented in third party website. Nallamotu trying to show the Andhra's discrimination against Telangana as a small problem.
For example small sentence from Nallamotu's book regarding 1969 agitation
"Release the 70-crore balance of Telangana funds (it is unclear how
the 33 crores that even the Telangana Regional Council agreed as
the balance of funds became 70 crores)"
By above sentence Mr. Nallamotu trying to say that the Telangana agitators demand is not legit. Check the following link,
http://www.andhrajyothy.com/editshow.asp?qry=/2008/feb/12edit3
Another one from book
"With that background, let us now delve into the bloody fight for the separate Telangana state that was fought for less than 5,000 non-mulki jobs. In other words, the issue affected a miniscule 0.033% of the approximately 1.5 crore people living in the Nizam Telangana region."
So by above example if a terrorist from Pakistan bombs hyderabad and kills 10 lak people, then India should not counter attack terrorist camps in Pakistan because that may drag two nations into full scale war effecting more than 150 crore people. As per Nallamotu's logic we can ignore those 10lak people deaths (less than 0.1%) and happily continue our life.
Nallamotu should know that here Keyword is not the number of people effected, the keyword is 'Illegally appointed in Govt. jobs'.
I appreciate you if you tell me why so many thousands of non-locals appointed in Govt. posts illegally in Telangana till today? do you have answer for that?
//I appreciate you if you tell me why so many thousands of non-locals appointed in Govt. posts illegally in Telangana till today? do you have answer for that?//
ReplyDeleteNalamotu answered this question in his book , it was often the lack of adequate eligible work force in Telangana.
Also in that andhrajyoty link , the writer states that in 2006-07 backward telangana (not including Hyd) generates 24% of state revenue while forward Andhra generates only 14% of state revenue. Wonder how backward regions can generate more income than forward regions when there are no different rules in both regions.(like prohibition etc).
Also this gentlemens agreement was a very unfair agreement signed between zamindars of andhra and doras of telangana , that is what gave raise to this whole concept of so called 'stealing'.
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ReplyDelete//Nalamotu answered this question in his book , it was often the lack of adequate eligible work force in Telangana.//
ReplyDeleteAgain Nallamoutu only says that the number of graduates/1000 in Telangana is almost equal or higher if compared to other regions.
http://www.myteluguroots.com/another-separatist-myth-shattered-%E2%80%93-govt-spending-on-primary-education/comment-page-1
By the way if there is no work force in Telangana then why did they come up with GO610, Six Point Formula etc?
Looks like you are confusing yourself with different statements.
If you read Narasimham book, the clearly explained that Andhraites used to reject Telangana guys in to Govt Jobs with several unnecessory/bulshit reasons. I will tell you one trick
1. First they reject all Telangana guys how ever applied with bulshit reasons.
2. They recruit a Andhra guy as a temporary basis saying they didn't find a Telangana local guy and this temporary will continue until they find a local guy.
3. After few years this temp guy gets local status.
4. They recruit this temp guy for full time govt job because he is local now.
5. Now this temp guy next generations all became locals and get jobs with Andhra partiality.
You can not compare the backwardness with revenue. Backwardness calculates based on roads, infrastructure, schools/colleges, hospitals, education etc.
Revenue comes from property taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, jobs/income taxes etc. This is nothing to do with development. You need to go to few economical related classes to understand this.
And those Andhra Jyothi numbers are not his own numbers like how you made your own statements about your dalits.
If you think Gentlemen Agreement is not legit then you should blame your leaders for that but not the Telangana.
And I still wondering how stupid you are to say that 'Gentlemen Agreement' favors Doras or Zamindars but not to he people. Okey, lets assume that is unfare. So what about six point formula? That too?
By the way you talk so much about Naxal, you must read this
Andhra Pradesh is contemplating to seek the Central Government’s approval for inclusion of three more districts in the State in the list of areas declared as naxal-affected.
These districts are Srikakulam, Vizianagaram and Visakhapatnam in north Coastal Andhra bordering Orissa. At present, Khammam is the only district in Andhra Pradesh that finds place in the list of 33 districts across the country which have been declared as extremist-affected.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200908102083.htm
9 out of 15 naxal effected districts are in Andhra, and 6 are in Telangana.
http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/15/stories/2005071507980400.htm
That is proving that Andhra is most Naxal effected area. All that students fighting for United Andhra are the naxals?....hehehehe......
@Reality
ReplyDeleteBy the way, now its time to kick Hindu news paper for not posting a news favor to your argument about naxals. heheheh.......haahaha.....
Reality thinks gouthu lachanna is a andhra zamindar. Funny
ReplyDeletehttp://eenadu.net/district/districtshow1.asp?dis=karimnagar#4
ReplyDeleteWhy will a raailway line which was surveyed by Nizam in 1948 is still going.oooooon and ooooon?
@ Green star
ReplyDeleteYou think you can manipulate data and others can't see through your game.
First you give a 2005 news report which says 9 districts in Andhra and 6 in Telangana have naxal presence. But in the 2010 report it clearly says only khammam is in the list now . Thanks to YSR ,naxalism is almost gone from this state , but your telangana intellectuals and students want to bring back naxal raj.
Also Hindu openly declared that AP should remain united . May be you naxals should attack Hindu offices also.
Also GO 610,six point formula are all crutches given to telangana ,which will keep them less competitive. That was the whole point of 'Jai Andhra' , remove all these restrictions or let us go .Instead centre crushed us and made us accept these concessions given to you. Then centre also assured us that state will never be split , now it cannot go back on its promise. Also ,to add , your own KCR said in assembly that lets remove all these zones and make this state more competitive ...hehehe....
//If you read Narasimham book, the clearly explained that Andhraites used to reject Telangana guys in to Govt Jobs with several unnecessory/bulshit reasons.//
We have read enough of Telangana fiction. Govt jobs are based on simple creteria of marks in qualifying exams,especially NGO jobs , not even interviews are there.
//Revenue comes from property taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, jobs/income taxes etc.//
So these taxes are not there in Andhra ? How can sales be more in telangana if peoples income levels are less than andhrites. So you are saying that ,Telangana doesnt have roads,schools but telangana people have more money than andhra counterparts.
@ Vinay
ReplyDelete//Reality thinks gouthu lachanna is a andhra zamindar. Funny//
When i say zamindar ,it doesnt mean in terms of money, it is in context of attitude , they had no right to sign such discrminatory agreements
@ Basha
ReplyDelete//Why will a raailway line which was surveyed by Nizam in 1948 is still going.oooooon and ooooon?//
Please go and ask your MLA ,this question , he in turn should ask Central Railway minister.
Stop blaming Andhrites for everything that is wrong in Telangana.You guys have elected leaders to govern you ,if they failed you ,blame them ,not andhra people.
Real-"Tea" thammee,
ReplyDeleteDid you not see "Dasha-Disha" ON hmtv.
It is CM who decides everything!!
One of the speaker clearly gave an example - when Devadula foundation stone drama was planned to supress telangana questions in assembly (during CBN's 2nd term), CBN called Kadiyam srihari, Irrigation misnister ONE-NIGHT BEFORE the ceremony..
"Vaddinche vadu manavadaite, eda koosunna bothaninda dorkutadi"
60 years, didn't allow Telangana CMs to settle for even 1/3rd period. Now you will blabber on why our CMs did not do even if they ruled for 1 year, so answer to you in advance...
with Non-Telangana MLAs as majority in the assembly, hamara aadmi-ko kursi sambhaalne me paani pilayenge. Long ago an MLA clearly said like this:
"IT IS ONLY OUT-SIDE ASEMBLY, YOU SEE ALL ANDHRA MLAs TALKING AS PARTY MEN, INSIDE THE GATE, THEY (andhra MLAs) ARE ONLY TWO TYPES, THOSE WHO LOBBY FOR WORKS/PROJECTS/POSTS/TRANSFERS AND THOSE WHO DO IT FOR SOME RETURNS AND CLEARLY TELANGANA MLAs HAVE REALISED, UNFORTUNATELY AFTER 700 SOULS (CUMULATIVE) ARE SACRIFICED AND THEY TOO WILL BE OFFERED TO MAISAMMA IF THEY DON'T CHANGE ATLEAST NOW"
@58, Reality:
ReplyDeleteStop blaming Andhrites for everything that is wrong in Telangana.You guys have elected leaders to govern you ,if they failed you ,blame them ,not andhra people.
We would love to stop blaming Andhras. But for that to happen, we should be free of Andhra.
During 1930s and 1940s Indians elected their own leaders under British supervision. These leaders held offices under British. Though we had our own elected leaders, we still blamed British for most of our problems (correctly or incorrectly). That blaming game continued till Indian became independent of British. Only when British left India, Indians started to blame their own politicians.
If you want to see Telangana people blaming Telangana politicians you should let us go first, the way British let go of Indians.
@56, Reality:
ReplyDeleteThen centre also assured us that state will never be split , now it cannot go back on its promise.
When was this assurance made? In what form? I would like to take a look at it.
Govt jobs are based on simple creteria of marks in qualifying exams,especially NGO jobs , not even interviews are there.
In addition, the also take into account where you live, which caste you belong to.
@50, Reality:
ReplyDeleteNalamotu answered this question in his book , it was often the lack of adequate eligible work force in Telangana.
We don’t believe that is the case. Unless you say what the criteria was and how Telanganas were ineligible, we will not consider his statements to be true. Moreover, to say that entire Telangana did not have adequate skills is a far-fetched argument similar to assertions by British that entire India was uncivilized and unworthy of ruling themselves.
C'mon sujai, don't blame others for everything.
ReplyDeleteThere was very little education in most t districts. the nawabi culture pervaded everything.
there was no english medium education.
the early jobs went to those who could speak english or telugu and the t people were not converstant with either (except hyd city folks)
The situation is different today. people from all over t are getting govt jobs since the 1990s.
it is almost like......the united state brought benefits to T now let us kick them out.
However I agree that caste played a big role in getting jobs among the andhra's in early 60s to 80s.
ReplyDeleteOnly brahmins cornered most of the jobs well supported by the IAS officers.
Annoy-mas wrote:
ReplyDelete"the early jobs went to those who could speak english or telugu and the t people were not converstant with either (except hyd city folks)
The situation is different today. people from all over t are getting govt jobs since the 1990s.
it is almost like......the united state brought benefits to T now let us kick them out."
1. YES - for 400 years our people studied in URDU as main language (Hindu, Muslim or any other religion) and there were many hindus capable of writng poetry in urdu.
2. Precisely, as mentioned in your post, URDU was pushed to back-stage and JOBS were given to English/Telugu medium educated migrants. And the loot was on... and on till now..
3. And for your last point - THE UNITED STATE GAVE BENEFITS TO "ANDHRA" only as what you call development was to be seen as mere INVESTMENT and returns were enjoyed by ANDHRA capitalists. For the cumulative losses of wealth to telangana and as compensation for losses of thousands of lives/livilihood (though, you cant get back the dead) is GOING TO HAPPEN with natural justice by none other than GOD because Hyderabad city is not a movable black money for you.
Yet - we dont really agree that - Hyderabad is developed becasue the moment I ask you, where was the development? then you will have 5 andhra settlers colonies in your list instead of actual inhabitants (natives). SO another false claim is exposed.
It is like -
There is a piece of land originally owned by person A. A talkative (sales-man skilled) person B approaches him and on a "conditional" agreement, B was supposed cultivate some crops (temporary type crops, considering the experimental case) and the returns were supposed to be shared under a "PRE-DECIDED" formula.
Now - see the irony, it is shocking that land owner becomes marginalised, while person B not only mangaes to pocket the retunrs (with Zero billing sales, wrong data on out-put).
Worst part is now B claims that he has planted trees in stead of crops and the has "RIGHTS" on the land as the trees have grown well and he can't live without the fruits from land belonging to A.
Finally, when person B learnt thar THE JUSTICE is going to be in favor of A he is trying to pluck all the friuts from the tree, be it kachcha, pacca and even some seeds/flowers too.
Person A may allow this, BUT shoud B try to damage the trees, or cut them (on the claim that we planted) what do you expect the JUDGE / A-team should do?
@ sujai
ReplyDelete//If you want to see Telangana people blaming Telangana politicians you should let us go first, the way British let go of Indians.//
Your comparison of Andhra people with british shows how much respect you have for indian constitution. Do you think the constitutional functionaries were sitting silent when andhras were 'colonizing' telanganites.
//When was this assurance made? In what form? I would like to take a look at it. //
This assurance was given by Indira Gandhi in Parliament in 1972 . “Merely talking of separation is not an end of the problem. It is the beginning of another very big problem, not for other States but also for that area; that State itself… I stand very firmly for an integrated State…”
“I happened to be touring parts of the South just before the report of the States Reorganisation Commission was made public and my ears are still reverberating with the full-throated cries of Vishal Andhra.”
"In the Andhra region many members have drawn attention to areas such as Rayalaseema and Srikakulam. The Telangana region may be a backward region but it does have better off areas. Merely because an area is comparatively backward is not a reason enough for taking drastic or irreversible decisions. Where will this process end? But where does anyone draw the line? Will each district want to be separate?”
link :http://www.dailypioneer.com/227202/Andhra-region-Cong-MPs-say-%E2%80%98leave-it-to-us%E2%80%99.html
@ Reality:
ReplyDeleteYour comparison of Andhra people with british shows how much respect you have for indian constitution.
Ambedkar, commenting on Indian Constitution said:
… if things go wrong under the new Constitution, the reason will not be that we had a bad Constitution. What we will have to say is that Man was vile.
He also said Indian Constitution is as good or bad as people who are entrusted to administer it.
Indian Constitution is a framework. It doesn’t mean everything in India will be perfect. Unless the people who implement it are genuine it can easily be hijacked. That’s why we have safeguards, legislature, judiciary and other institutions to ensure the implementation is good. In spite of all those protections, some people can flout the safeguards, legal verdicts and agreements – as Andhras did to Telangana people.
Even the best of the constitutions cannot save itself from the vile. Framers of Indian Constitution clearly envisaged such situations and hence allowed Parliament to carve new states.
Do you think the constitutional functionaries were sitting silent when andhras were 'colonizing' telanganites.
Yes. In fact they colluded, aided and abetted them whenever they can, all in the name of unity of nation which itself was a misconceived notion. Only recently, India has become confident enough to understand that creating new states does not necessarily mean breaking up of the nation.
This assurance was given by Indira Gandhi in Parliament in 1972. “Merely talking of separation is not an end of the problem. It is the beginning of another very big problem, not for other States but also for that area; that State itself… I stand very firmly for an integrated State…”
Her speech is from 1972. Recently, every major leader, including Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Abdul Kalam and even the vile politicians of Andhra have promised Telangana.
Indira Gandhi stood for her times. Now the times have changed. She was also not conistent. She created states in North east. She imposed Emergency and then later embraced Democracy.
Indira Gandhi's actions show how vile our politicians were – making our Constitution complete effete.
Hi Sujai,
ReplyDeleteAm not able to view pics.
Is the link broken by any chance??
though i think some problem with picasa,
will update after trying sometime.
Sujai:
ReplyDeleteChaka-chak reply..
KaaraNa-janmuDivi!!
Today, Andhra leaders are un-accessible (banglows at banjara-hills, family/kids in USA) and the constituency people are the sufferers as the capital is far away from their villages, it is costly for them to travel / accommodation etc. For half-a-century their leaders escaped the voters of their respective constituencies and THE-DAYS-OVER soon!!
Where as Telangana leaders can be traced / caught easily and they know what is the level of movement now and whether they can manage to escape people asking them / catching even before separation!!
After Telangna is formed both andhra & telangana will prosper - Amen!!
@ Sujai
ReplyDelete//Her speech is from 1972. Recently, every major leader, including Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Abdul Kalam and even the vile politicians of Andhra have promised Telangana.//
I guess you know the difference between a speech made by the prime minister in the Parliament and a speech by a party leader in a public meeting. As for Kalam's speech it was based on CMP which had the rider of consensus in AP.
Anyway my whole point is when we wanted to separate unconditionally in 1972 centre stopped us , now it cannot say go form our own state ,build new capital ,all your taxes have gone in the drain. Center has to build us a new capital or ensure that we will get our due in separation by making Hyd as UT or common capital. Till then andhra people cannot accept separation.
Anna real:
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for understanding the fact that separation is inevitable / desirable to put an end to all issues, agitations, losses of lives (direct/indirect).
I am in total agreement with you that - because the leaders have cheated people of andhra region by NEITHER telling them the truth about manifestos, NOR about excess-focus on Hyderabad, sentiments for Hyderabad are high amongst andhrites.
How long will it take to build a CITY like Hyderabad, if not like Burj-Dubai near any of the andhra cities? I am sure Dubai's most of the new city-scapes are built with-in 2 years time.
And - is it really correct/wise to keep Hyderabad as common capital? will it further dent andhra interests OR will it become compulsary? we need to discuss...
@70, Reality:
ReplyDeleteSo you think that the speech made by the Prime Minister in a Parliament is a promise, but not the agreements signed, verdicts pronounced by Supreme Court, GOs produced, and not even the speeches made by Manmohan Singh as the Prime Minister?
now it cannot say go form our own state ,build new capital ,all your taxes have gone in the drain.
Yes, we can.
That’s we are saying to you right now. Form your own state – enough of feeding on others. Build your new capital – enough of fleecing others. Yes, all your taxes have gone down the drain, just like our taxes have gone down the drain in trying to provide you with our jobs and build your cities, your fields and your institutes.
Center has to build us a new capital or ensure that we will get our due in separation by making Hyd as UT or common capital.
You will get your new capital, but it will have nothing to do with Hyderabad, just the way Telangana will have nothing to do with any of your cities, towns, fields and gas basins.
Till then andhra people cannot accept separation.
You don’t have to agree for the separation. You are not getting it.
Article 3 of Indian Constitution clearly envisaged such scenarios wherein a vile majority may coerce a minority into submission, and hence made the provisions to take decisions in the Parliament itself. We don’t need your agreement to separate.
@ Sujai
ReplyDelete//Article 3 of Indian Constitution clearly envisaged such scenarios wherein a vile majority may coerce a minority into submission, and hence made the provisions to take decisions in the Parliament itself.//
If centre takes a unilateral decision in favour of Telangana , Andhra people would make it out as the second humiliation of andhra people (first one in case of chennai) . This would plant the seeds for extreme chauvinism in the minds of Andhra people.
Now you may not worry if some state becomes chauvinistic , but the center has definitely lot to worry. I don't think central government has forgotten 'Anandpur sahib resolution'.
@ Reality:
ReplyDeleteIf centre takes a unilateral decision in favour of Telangana , Andhra people would make it out as the second humiliation of andhra people (first one in case of chennai) .
If the center doesn’t grant Telangana, then Telangana people would consider this to be 200th betrayal.
Before you hit out at the center, you should ask your own politicians why they endorsed Telangana in their election manifestos.
This would plant the seeds for extreme chauvinism in the minds of Andhra people.
Against whom? Nobody other than Andhras live in Andhra.
Now you may not worry if some state becomes chauvinistic , but the center has definitely lot to worry.
Well, do you think those worries stopped the center from taking decisions. After 1969 movement was suppressed, the youth turned to Naxalism. Did center really care?
@ Sujai
ReplyDelete//Before you hit out at the center, you should ask your own politicians why they endorsed Telangana in their election manifestos. //
Congress manifesto in 2004 said Telangana would be given by consensus or second SRC .Congress won.
Congress manifesto in 2009 said that Decision on telangana is awaited to the outcome of Rosiah committee which will look into the concerns of all stake holders. Congress won once again.
Now ,who is the one who didnt read manifestos clearly ?
//chauvinism against whom? Nobody other than Andhras live in Andhra.//
Our chauvinism will not be against anyone. It will be mere preservation instinct that will kick in andhras because of the injustices done to them by central government.
//After 1969 movement was suppressed, the youth turned to Naxalism. Did center really care?//
For centre violence, naxalism are easy problems compared to controlling regional chauvinism. Centre will be worried about the domino effect that this regional chauvinism will produce in the entire country.