Most readers who have visited this blog for the first time, only because of Telangana agitation, may find my criticism of Andhras extremely harsh. That’s because they have not read my other posts on this blog, where I am equally critical of many other aspects of India, including being critical of identities that I am a part of. I am critical of Hindus though I am Hindu, I am critical of Indians though I am an Indian. In one of the posts, I was critical of Telugus too, though I am Telugu.
Most new readers, especially those who are not from Telangana, assume that my criticism of Andhras is based in hatred. They think that I am a bigot inciting hatred towards Andhras to win support of Telanganas. They don’t realize that I am equally incisive on many other people, not just Andhras.
When I say that Andhras have discriminated, marginalized and dominated Telangana, I am being sincere without malice. If you know how discrimination happens, you will come to the same conclusions. There is copious amount of evidence if one chooses to look at it. Unfortunately, most Andhras do not realize this and do not even make an attempt to realize this. Even many Telanganas have refused to believe this for a long time.
In this blog, I am calling spade a spade without mincing words, without being politically correct, and let me assure you this, when Telangana is formed, I am going to be its harshest critic.
I know the problems of Telangana and I know that Telangana is far from being perfect. Its politicians are equally vile as any other. Its people carry the same prejudices like any other Indian. I know that they would have behaved similar to Andhras if they were majority and privileged and I would have railed against them then. Most importantly, I know that formation of Telangana is not the panacea to all our problems.
And yet, I know that the starting point for improving Telangana is a separate state of Telangana. Though the British gave Indians their freedoms in small chunks and doses, it made no impact on the socio-economic-cultural conditions of Indians. It had to be complete freedom that came about in 1947. All previous attempts of the British to rule India with elected Indians leaders giving them limited powers did not really make any difference to the plight of Indians. Only when India became independent we could go ahead and implement major social and economic reforms. We emancipated the lower castes, gave equal rights to our women, and gave self-rule to various regions and groups.
Unless Telangana is free from the rule of Andhras, no socio-economic improvement can be implemented in Telangana. And hence our current focus is towards that. The only stumbling block to achieving statehood happens to be the combination of greed and the fears of Andhras who form the majority and the privileged in the state of Andhra Pradesh. Hence the ire against Andhras, and hence the attempt to educate Andhras (the second one is failing completely).
I will continue to be critical of the majority and the privileged even after the formation of Telangana because they can easily suppress the rights of the minorities and the underprivileged by being natural. In fact, it takes lot of efforts not to discriminate if you are the majority and the privileged. Andhras need to understand this.
I realize that most Indians do not understand the concepts of discrimination and therefore they will never admit it. But I am hoping that there would be at least one Andhra person who will come out and admit they have discriminated against Telanganas – either knowingly or unknowingly. I want to see one sane Andhra person to come forward and apologize for what happened. I want to see one Andhra person to say, ‘take Telangana with all its cities, towns and villages, start your lives, correct your problems, and good luck to you’, without asking anything in return.
Till then, I will continue to believe that this blog with nearly 43 articles on Telangana did not make any difference.
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It is very well know that you were paid for such blogs. There is no need to explain about youself. You are one of those pseudo-elites who write anything that comes to mind based on some arbitrary reports by arbitrary reports.
ReplyDeleteFew more people like can damage the scoiety very easily.
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteThey think that I am a bigot inciting hatred towards Andhras to win support of Telanganas
This is exactly who you are. You start of with a premise that Andhras are colonizers, cheaters . Your data sources have been proved to be biased with malice and hatred. You are blaming andhras for everything that is wrong in Telangana. You conveniently forget the extreme poverty that was created under Nizam rule, Dora system that didnt break till late 80s, Naxalism .
Andhras also belong to your own country , how can you call them colonizers ? Assume andhra and telangana weren't merged ,but andhras started migrating to Telangana ,got domiciled as per rules and then started taking up jobs in Telangana ,what would you have called them ?
When I say that Andhras have discriminated, marginalized and dominated Telangana, I am being sincere without malice.
Haha ,sincerity means squat when your cause is wrong. A suicide bomber is more sincere than all of us Telangana ,andhra supporters. His sincerity is based on hatred,fanaticism.
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, most Andhras do not realize this and do not even make an attempt to realize this.
Oh we made lots of attempts. In fact we proved that all these talks of looting ,exploitation were fabricated. That's when you Telangana agitators switched your arguments to self rule from development.
I know that formation of Telangana is not the panacea to all our problems.
I guess this is the only sane statement made by you in this context.
Unless Telangana is free from the rule of Andhras, no socio-economic improvement can be implemented in Telangana.
Telanganas form 40% of AP legislature. 40% is not described as minority in any part of the world. That tag is usually given to groups which are less than 10%.
I want to see one Andhra person to say, ‘take Telangana with all its cities, towns and villages, start your lives, correct your problems, and good luck to you’, without asking anything in return.
Why should we say that when every data proves that we andhras have not 'stolen' any of Telangana resources. You may get your state , keep Hyd entirely for yourself , but history will remember that Telangana failed to prove that Andhra exploited them.
Also on the topic of resources , there are no telangana ,andhra resources. You dont own river water,coal ,like we dont own gas in KG basin. All these resources are national resources and you get what center allocates. Hell ,even your personal property is not your own. Right to property is not a fundamental right. Govt can take away your resources at any point of time.
If a poor farmer from telangana complains about Krishna water being stolen i can understand.
ReplyDeleteIf a person who could not get a govt job today because someone from andhra got it by fraud complains i can understand.
but when people educated at state expense, in fat pay jobs complain i don't understand. This concept of 'my district' 'my state' 'my area' is meaningless. Why should i bother only about someone from Telangana. For the same reason i should also bother equally about all regions in india which have the same problem.
POK is ours
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteDo you want to know why Andhras do not accept your views? Abusive and insulting attitude by using words like settlers an colonizers. It is an absolutely absurd premise cooked up by unethical Telangana Dora intellectuals. It is shameful that educated young people like you are accepting it. Look at the historical facts - Andhras sacrificed their lives in freedom struggle against British colonisers. To call them colonisers is wrong and highly insulting. Telanganas did not participate in freedom struggle against British. In fact, the heroic freedom struggle of Telangana peasants against Nizam is completeley ignored by your JAC. In their single minded hatred towards Andhra people, the JAC leaders even praise Nizam! You talk about Andhras insulting Telangana language in movies. But, is there a bigger insult to Telangana people than someone praising Nizam? If you want to have meaningful discussions with Andhras, you should first apologize for using terms like colonizers.
Asian carp: It’s just a Fish!
ReplyDeleteThis is a story about Asian carp fish I find fascinating and I hope my Andhra friends will just think on this one after reading the story . Iam reproducing a part from a news report.
After being imported from China during the 1970s to clean fish farms of algae in the southern U.S., the Asian carp steadily spread north up the Mississippi and other rivers. The fish -- which are known for leaping out of the water when startled by boat motors -- is now just a short swim from Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes, home to a $7 billion fishing and re-creation industry.
"The problem is it has a huge appetite, and it eats food that all the other fish try to eat," said Philip Willink, a fish biologist at the Field Museum in Chicago. "My greatest fear is for the Great Lakes' yellow perch and walleye. They will be hit really hard."
Do watch out this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WJlObGnih4
I have always believed that Andhras would have never consciously schemed against telangana people . They just grabbed all the opportunities given by independent India without any regard to the telangana people. They had a HEADSTART with being in British administration and telagnana people just couldn’t CATCHUP. They had reforms way earlier in their society and were just blessed naturally with two river deltas.
Do I blame Andhras for all the Telangana woes ? no, I wouldn’t. After all Asian carp was just a fish living by its nature. What anyone would definitely say that introducing Asian carp in American environment was a major failure and they are taking steps to mitigate it.
Telangana people were battered and bruised under Nizam for hundreds of years and they were never ready to be thrown into the same pool as Andhras. The time has come to separate them .
What Telangana means is just a separate state w.r.t government and administration. Even though we constitute 40% of the population , they powers to be at the higher strata of Secretariat are from Andhra region and I think that’s where the problem starts. I would have loved to believe that they would act dispassionately and objectively and work towards developing all regions and especially backward regions but they don’t and 56 years say that.
@ Vishnu
ReplyDeleteThey just grabbed all the opportunities given by independent India without any regard to the telangana people. They had a HEADSTART with being in British administration and telagnana people just couldn’t CATCHUP.
Good logic , but why dont you apply that to SC/ST ,BCs. The gulf between upper castes and backward castes is much more than the gulf between Telangana and andhra. Why dont we create caste based states ? So don't stop at telangana ,split it further into OC Telangana,SC/ST telangana ,BC telangana ,Minority telangana.
Even though we constitute 40% of the population , they powers to be at the higher strata of Secretariat are from Andhra region and I think that’s where the problem starts.
You are totally wrong. You have 40% of ministers from telangana. Can't they control these officers if they were discriminating?
There is no problem in Telangana except for the problems created by Telangana fanatics.Telangana has improved vastly since merger. It is still marginally behind Andhra . But why do you expect complete equality ,when both had unequal starts. It will come but it will take some more time
Also on a completely unrelated note , this is my message to Telangana fanatics. I have read some posts on net, where many have been teaching their innocent children regard andhra "colonization".
ReplyDeleteNow ,whatever is the truth ,there is no need fill a child's mind with hatred. Please wait till they grow up to atleast 14-15 years to fill them with this hatred.
You know ,if you get Telangana ,you can put this hatred history in 9th class or 10th class text books. If you dont get Telangana ,you can always teach them when they come of age. Please spare the children till then.
Alternate view:
ReplyDeleteAbusive and insulting attitude by using words like settlers an colonizers.
I don’t think the terms ‘settlers’ and ‘colonizers’ are abusive or insulting words. If ever they are a characterization – may be having a negative connotation.
The word ‘immigrant’ can be loosely used to someone who has settled in a different land, region, state, or country. I consider myself an ‘immigrant’ in Bangalore, who has been uprooted from local confines and placed in a new environment. In Telangana, we specifically use the word ‘settler’ to those who have come from Andhra to take up jobs that rightfully belonged to Telanganas. We refer to those who have illegally occupied the positions that belonged to Telanganas.
‘Immigrants’ are different from ‘settlers’ by that definition. We don’t call Tamils, Gujaratis, and Malayalee who have migrated to Telangana as ‘settlers’ because they have not taken up the jobs that belonged to Telanganas. Every city and region invites migrants but that does not mean those migrants take up the jobs that rightfully belong to the locals. In case of Andhras, the word ‘settler’ as defined above is appropriate to differentiate them from other ‘immigrants’.
You may ask, ‘how come a person within the same state moving to another part of the state is called a settler? Isn’t a job available in a state open to all?’
Not really. In case of Andhra Pradesh, the state came about with a Gentlemen’s Agreement in place where the region of Telangana was treated distinctly separate from other regions with enough safeguards and protections. Two resolutions were passed in Andhra State Assembly prior in 1955 to assure people of Telangana that Alternate view:
Abusive and insulting attitude by using words like settlers an colonizers.
I don’t think the terms ‘settlers’ and ‘colonizers’ are abusive or insulting words. If ever they are a characterization – may be having a negative connotation.
The word ‘immigrant’ can be loosely used to someone who has settled in a different land, region, state, or country. I consider myself an ‘immigrant’ in Bangalore, who has been uprooted from local confines and placed in a new environment. In Telangana, we specifically use the word ‘settler’ to those who have come from Andhra to take up jobs that rightfully belonged to Telanganas. We refer to those who have illegally occupied the positions that belonged to Telanganas.
‘Immigrants’ are different from ‘settlers’ by that definition. We don’t call Tamils, Gujaratis, and Malayalee who have migrated to Telangana as ‘settlers’ because they have not taken up the jobs that belonged to Telanganas. Every city and region invites migrants but that does not mean those migrants take up the jobs that rightfully belong to the locals. In case of Andhras, the word ‘settler’ as defined above is appropriate to differentiate them from other ‘immigrants’.
You may ask, ‘how come a person within the same state moving to another part of the state is called a settler? Isn’t a job available in a state open to all?’
Not really. In case of Andhra Pradesh, the state came about with a Gentlemen’s Agreement in place where the region of Telangana was treated distinctly separate from other regions with enough safeguards and protections. Two resolutions were passed in Andhra State Assembly prior in 1955 to assure people of Telangana that their jobs will be theirs in the region of Telangana. Those were violated. Before the state was formed you said that Telangana will be treated differently. Once the state was formed, you said that Telangana should be open to all. Our protections were upheld in 1972 Supreme Court verdict, but you lobbied hard to negate it. That’s why we say we were betrayed.
[Contd…]
Alternate view:
ReplyDeleteAndhras sacrificed their lives in freedom struggle against British colonisers. To call them colonisers is wrong and highly insulting.
Jews of Israel suffered the greatest calamity that befell mankind – more than 6 million of them, nearly one-third of entire Jewish population, were murdered in concentration camps. Once the state of Israel was formed, they ‘colonized’ Palestine. They became the master they toppled- not very uncharacteristic of many revolutions. [Just Google, colonize/Israel/Palestine].
As I said earlier in one of the posts, Andhras became the masters they toppled. They became the British they fought. But the unfortunate thing is that British were far more mature than Andhras in the sense that at least the British accept they ‘colonized’. Andhras do not even accept that they ‘colonized’. They do not even accept they flouted the agreement and accords. Not a single Andhra has come out till today to admit they have flouted the agreements.
The usage of the term ‘colonization’ can be used to any expansion of certain kind of people occupying positions of power in regions that belong to other people. In that sense, using the term ‘colonizers’ is highly appropriate to characterize Andhras, may be not exactly the way Europeans colonized Asia/Africa, but analogous.
Have Andhras colonized Telangana? Yes. This is quite evident from the fact that all top positions in Secretariat, Administration, banks, new industries, education institutions, etc, were occupied by people from Andhra – both in Andhra and Telangana. They secured position of power to actually negate every Government Order that was passed to protect interests of Telanganas.
Also, the migration from Andhra into Telangana was not similar to the migrations of Tamils or Gujaratis into Telangana. They did not occupy positions of Telanganas in education, administration and government the way Andhras did. It is further evident from fact that migration from Telangana to Andhra is almost negligible while the entire migration happened from Andhra to Telangana.
Terming Andhras ‘colonizers’ should be seen as an insult, but as a reflection of reality, something that Andhras should concede they have done. If needed, they need a little bit of introspection and understanding of this word so that they can better appreciate what we mean.
It is an absolutely absurd premise cooked up by unethical Telangana Dora intellectuals.
As long as you think like that there will be no progress between Telangana and Andhras. The first step towards reconciliation is admitting the mistakes made in the past. None of the Andhras are ready to admit they made mistakes in the past.
That’s why I keep saying that talking to Andhras is useless. There is no reason why we should sit across the table. We should completely not agree to take their consent to form the new state of Telangana. They are not ready to admit anything – they are not ready to admit that it is a people’s movement, that it is for self-respect and self-rule, fighting discrimination, fighting colonization.
It is shameful that educated young people like you are accepting it.
On the other hand we think that it is educated people like us who have understood history to say that Andhras have ‘colonized’ Telanganas, and that these politicians are just borrowing our words.
But, is there a bigger insult to Telangana people than someone praising Nizam?
There are reasons why Telangana people praise Nizam. You don’t understand our history, our demographics, or our cultural heritage. You impose your version of Telugu pride onto use not realizing that such words are meaningless to us. That’s why I keep saying that you do not fit in the cosmopolitan character of Hyderabad. Your obsession with purity and Telugu Pride are closer to MNS and Shiv Sena versions of Mumbai, highly parochial, and highly exclusive.
Reality:
ReplyDeleteGood logic , but why dont you apply that to SC/ST ,BCs. The gulf between upper castes and backward castes is much more than the gulf between Telangana and andhra. Why dont we create caste based states ?
A modern nation like India works between two things – protections AND open competition. It strikes bring a balance between two things – inclusive growth AND award of excellence. A modern nation is not about OR but AND.
To protect SC/ST/BCs, it has introduced reservations based on caste. To protect women, it has introduced Hindu Bill, laws to protect woman’s dignity and some states have even introduced reservations. To protect regions and linguistic units from onslaught on other regions, it has created states.
To protect Telanganas from onslaught of Andhras, they devised Article 371 and Gentlemen’s Agreement. Unfortunately Andhras conveniently forgot the agreements they signed and went onto break all those protections.
@4, Anonymous:
ReplyDeletebut when people educated at state expense, in fat pay jobs complain i don't understand.
You should understand because most Indian leaders who fought against British were educated in British schools and were on fat pay jobs.
This concept of 'my district' 'my state' 'my area' is meaningless.
If that was the case Andhra State would still have been with Madras Presidency, and we Telanganas would have been spared of their colonization of Andhras.
@ Reality and likes
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely right . There is huge difference in access to opportunities on basis of caste , religion and what not in India but does Constitution of India bifurcate a state on basis of those lines? We do have reservations to deal with those problems . I think India has plenty of disparities and it’s an infant democratic country discovering its destiny. We need to be receptive to change. What we need to debate now is does India think its time to separate a state based on regional demand/discrimination . Again, as we all said ,Formation of telangana will remove ONLY one level disparity at the highest level. There are problems galore even after formation of telangana and people of Telangana will deal with them and that’s what they are asking .
As I said when it comes to politicians we are 40% but the real govnt and administration is run by the bureaucrats, the principal secretary’s and such(the ones at the top 5%). Even after Telangana we will have the same politicians but not the same public administrators and that’s what we are fighting for.
And lastly, even after this level of unrest and loss of life , if you say there is nothing wrong with Telangana than I don’t think anyone can say much. There are always fanatics in every side , just look around who is fanatic around you.
That’s exactly what we are afraid of . Will this exponentially increasing disparity between both the regions ever meet ?
@ Vishnu
ReplyDeletedoes Constitution of India bifurcate a state on basis of those lines?
Constitution doesn't specify on what basis states need to be created. Center can create them on any basis.
We do have reservations to deal with those problems .
SC/ST people are almost 25% of india's population. Now despite having reservations ,do you know their percentage in graduates , engineers ,doctors ,lawyers, teachers,govt jobs,IAS/IPS is much much much lesser than their population percentage. If anyone needs protection ,it is this group ,not the doras of Telangana.
As I said when it comes to politicians we are 40% but the real govnt and administration is run by the bureaucrats, the principal secretary’s and such(the ones at the top 5%).
You are living in a dream world .There is a big nexus between politicians and officers. They work in cooperation with each other. They only care about money ,not about any region. Both those groups make huge money in the process.
Will this exponentially increasing disparity between both the regions ever meet ?
So if Andhra and telangana stay together gap between them will keep on exponentially increasing. Then by same logic ,lets separate backward castes and upper castes because gap between them will also keep on increasing exponentially.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteIt is very urgent and important to get Telangana state ( no matter if it has 10 or 9 or 8 districts, It has Hyderabad or not ). Telangana is much much much better off without Andhra. The real concern after some years Andhras will claim medak, nalgonda etc as being developed by them. There can't be any compromise on Telangana state. The only compromise can be on Hyderabad status, river water sharing etc. The terms of reference are totally backwards. The so called Telangana politicians are more loyal to political parties( and their andhra bosses) than the people in Telangana. I don't see any point to reason with people who argue about "United Andhra" even at this stage. Right now "Terms of reference" prove that Andhras have achieved a total victory in defeating the aspirations of the Telangana people. Telangana people have to struggle and fight for themselves, nobody is going to fight for them ( not sonia, or congress etc). Look how andhras got their state in 1953.
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteI feel the same pain of andhrites and marwaris dominating in lot of things as telaganite.
But you are ignoring other critical problem makers/creators of the region.
I truly felt, you went overboard in pointing out just one type of people as i know marwari community in the region is exploiting the region more than andhrites with money laundering.
For some decades it was Nizams, that were problem of the region, converting lower castes to muslims and all kinds of domination.
Today, in my village, it is Dora, Patwari/Patel people are still exploiting poor people, Not andhrites. They don't even realize that they don't treat other people equally in villages. I know this as i grew up as part one of those categories.
I am sure 90% villages don't have a single andhrite.
If you are you are sincere about helping majority people of our region, please be critical of all bad people in dora/patel/patwari people, andhrites and marwaris.
If you are sincere, you should point all the other real problems of our region.
Please keep in mind, good and bad are relative terms. They are every where.
I wish your energies are focused and diverted towards enlightenment of our people to be more competitive. That way, we will also be equal players of the game.
@ Vinay
ReplyDeleteRight now "Terms of reference" prove that Andhras have achieved a total victory in defeating the aspirations of the Telangana people.
I dont understand why guys think 'TOR' are against Telangana movement. Since you guys feel that Telangana was exploited all these years and you guys have definite proof ,commission must definitely recommend creation of Telangana. Or if you guys don't trust the commission's integrity ,then you shouldn't have waited till 'TOR' announcement to express your doubts.
Truth is you guys know that commission will see through your lies and twisted stats. Even if it recommends Telangana it will not be because of "Andhra exploitation". Your lies will be exposed to the entire country. That is your fear.
The assault of the Andhras on a blog supporting the cause of Telangana is appalling! Well, may be I shouldnt be after all.
ReplyDeleteSomeone accuses @Sujai of being paid, another goes on a tangent of creating a state based on BCs (duh! where did that come from), another defends the ToR as being unbiased and Telanganas as irrational.
Even the blogosphere is overwhelmingly biased to the Andhras, understandbly albeit. I got a simple question to ask of the Andhras who question this blog: you dont need to read this paid, unbalanced, bigot of a blog. Then why do you read it and leave comments? Or, do you just leave your comments any way without reading?
One can not present a more rational argument than the original post by @Sujai. If you can not agree with it because of sentimental reasons, thats fine. But please dont pollute the argument.
And, so far I didnt see a single comment responding to @Sujai's request. Not even a single person on the other side sees a valid viewpoint - a population of roughly 3 crores is making baseless allegations. Ohh, I forgot - this is only the movement of the elite, of the few, of only the privileged, of only the students from OU, KU, Palamur, Telangana universities, of the thousands of villages that are voicing their support, of the women that are out on the streets, of the minorities that roared on Nizam college grounds. Its just a few tens of lakhs of people - come on, that is not too much!
ReplyDeleteI dont understand why guys think 'TOR' are against Telangana movement. Since you guys feel that Telangana was exploited all these years and you guys have definite proof ,commission must definitely recommend creation of Telangana. Or if you guys don't trust the commission's integrity ,then you shouldn't have waited till 'TOR' announcement to express your doubts.
Truth is you guys know that commission will see through your lies and twisted stats. Even if it recommends Telangana it will not be because of "Andhra exploitation". Your lies will be exposed to the entire country. That is your fear.
I am extremely confident that committee will definitely find that Telangana is region is exploited. Eventually committee will formulate another Six point formula, or some GO instead of recommending a state.
Do you even think "United Andhra" is genuine. It is nothing but "We want Hyderabad" masked as "United Andhra" movement. The terms of reference should have at least reflected that reality. After Dec 9th statement everybody is prepared and expecting separate state eventually. Everybody understands that there would be issues with Hyderabad status which needs to be addressed to everybody's satisfaction. Dec 9th statement never meant that separation was happening very soon it was just supposed to be beginning
Having relatives in Andhra I was one of those people who was not a big supporter of Telangana state until Dec 9th. But that changed after the "United Andhra" drama started. All you guys care is Hyderabad. Now I do feel like Telangana ought to be formed with or without Hyderabad.
All the BC's/SC's/ST's/OBC's/OC's, tribals etc of Telangana support Telangana state now. Will that solve all the problems? No, but that is their rallying cry now. Is this against Andhras? No it is a fight for Telangana. It is against those who want to create hurdles in achieving their aspirations.
@AlternateView;
ReplyDeleteyou seem to have just a single view not alternate view. Otherwise you would not have stated the below:
"But, is there a bigger insult to Telangana people than someone praising Nizam?"
Nizam, is not a single individual. The title is given to the current ruler of the Asaf Jahi dynasty every time a new nawab is coronated as the ruler. So the Nizam that the Telangana people most hate is the last one. By your logic Indians should not only loathe and hate Aurangzeb but Akber also AND the entire Moslem rulers whether benevolent OR cruel beyond imagination to the ruled. You samaikhyavadis really do not know the history of Deccanis
@Prashanth
ReplyDeleteDo not talk like Sujai.
Anbody with faith in civilized society will not read such blogs.
But there is need to prevent inducing hatred in one section against another section.
If there is enough cause for Telangana you can fight on that.
But poisioning people's minds with twisted facts will not help anybody. Do you think TG and AR can live normally with so much hatred? Note that most of United Andhra forums are targetting only KCR/TRS and few other misleaders like Jayashankar and NOT TELANGANA or its people. If you want to shows case couple of bad mouthed guys as representatives, only god can help you.
well said edari, These guys are behind the hyderbad which was created by nizam as a gift for his hindu wife but they hate nizam.
ReplyDeleteNizam is bette than andhras because they created a railway system osmania universities and airport whihc lcurated andhrites as capital city. There is not a single railway track in T after independence , only the one is a link line at nadikuda.
Obviously u do not talk about people from Rayalaseema who can allege the same about u and andhra. U carry and baggage of past and determined to attribute ur failures to others. Typical mindset...
ReplyDeleteIt is better if T did not join Andhra.
ReplyDeleteBut that is history.
If there is T state, it should not given in response to a scam hunger strike.
it should be given only when things are calm and as a totally new reorganization of India's states.
If Andhra people are in op jobs at secretariat how can you blame them.
ReplyDeleteIAS/IPS is open to all people from India. It is just that those from AP prefer to be posted to AP.
You can't call it as stealing jobs.
Also, if they are occupying jobs in banks it has nothing to do with grabbing jobs from T people. PSU banks have all india tests for officers.
If they are running educational institutions all over T what;s wrong? Let T people also set up schools/colleges. No one stopped them.
Let us not apply mindless logic.
On jobs let us stick to Govt jobs as the issue.
POK
Abusive and insulting attitude by using words like settlers an colonizers.
ReplyDeleteAlternate,
Can you explain why sthe word settlers is so insulting to you?
What should they be called then?
I want to see one Andhra person to say, ‘take Telangana with all its cities, towns and villages, start your lives, correct your problems, and good luck to you’, without asking anything in return.
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahahaha...........
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ReplyDelete@ Vinay
ReplyDeleteEverybody understands that there would be issues with Hyderabad status which needs to be addressed to everybody's satisfaction. Dec 9th statement never meant that separation was happening very soon it was just supposed to be beginning
good to know that at least one of you guys think there is a issue with Hyd. Many of your fellow telanganites have declared that there is no question of discussion on the status of Hyd. Some of your fanatical leaders also threatened to cut off our tongues if we speak about Hyd.
Also coming back to centers Dec 9th statement, did it say how will andhra be compensated for the loss of its capital? No. It could have added a simple statement that "center will release adeqaute funds necessary for formation of a new capital for Andhra". Such was the misinformation at centre ,that they need not even bother to add one line which could have given some hope for andhra people.
@ Rajendra
ReplyDeleteThese guys are behind the hyderbad which was created by nizam as a gift for his hindu wife but they hate nizam.
Nizam is bette than andhras because they created a railway system osmania universities and airport whihc lcurated andhrites as capital city.
Andhra has been paying taxes for Hyd since 400 years. First 200 years directly to Nizam , then next 200 years indirectly by the lease fees paid by british (collected from andhra taxes) to Nizam. So the only period when we didnt pay taxes which went to Hyd is 1948-1956.
In your eagerness to show andhras in bad light ,remember whom you are praising. Nizam almost literally sucked your blood with high taxes and doing no development outside Hyd. He treated all telangana ppl as slaves and second class citizens, he didnt even allow you guys to speak your own language. He finally topped it off with the final blow through Razakars.
Now for a telanganite to praise Nizams is to the insult the martyrs who fell in fighting Nizam rule.
Continue to hate andhras but dont praise Nizam.
@Reality,
ReplyDeleteAlso coming back to centers Dec 9th statement, did it say how will andhra be compensated for the loss of its capital? No. It could have added a simple statement that "center will release adeqaute funds necessary for formation of a new capital for Andhra". Such was the misinformation at centre ,that they need not even bother to add one line which could have given some hope for andhra people.
Then why are you guys yelling about dead "United Andhra" slogan. Yell about being compensated for loss of capital. That would have made sense and everybody in Telanagana would have wholeheartedly supported funds and compensation for new Andhra capital. Chidambaram gave a statement only after getting the meeting minutes of all-party meeting who have already given green signal for Telangana. All those andhra congress politicians who so far left the decision do sonia became outraged and started the "United Andhra" drama. Dec 9th statement was the beginning of the process and there was a long way to go before state is formed etc. Andhra politicians made all the hue and cry over their illegal properties and lands in Hyderabad and nothing else.
Andhra has been paying taxes for Hyd since 400 years. First 200 years directly to Nizam , then next 200 years indirectly by the lease fees paid by british (collected from andhra taxes) to Nizam. So the only period when we didnt pay taxes which went to Hyd is 1948-1956.
Why should Andhra pay taxes to Nizam I don't understand. You were part of british empire. Just because you speak telugu and telugu people are part of Nizam dominion you had to pay taxes. Your statement doesn't make least sense and there of factual. Even if there is basis to your claim, that doesn't explain what that has to do with "United Andhra" drama.
Telanganas hated Nizam when he didn't listen to people and now Telanganas are disliking those andhras who come in their way of achieving their separate state in Indian Union.
Money Talks more than anything . Thats true for Governments and also to the Andhra business in Telangana.
ReplyDeleteI truly think its the next escalation path for our agitation.
lets stop paying taxes to government. Lets stop patronizing the business against telangana agitation.
Lets all come up with the names.
One newspaper i strongly name is Deccan Chronicle. I think most of the media is fairly objective( atleast for now).
I have been following its news coverage and its absolutely appalling.
Ofcourse the biggest of all LANCO .
Dear reality,
ReplyDeletePlease note that i am talking about the development like railway system,universities other stuff. Can you tell me one new railway line in Telangana.
Why do you always compare non relevant things together, I just compared the development(not the nizam) during Nizam and Andhra and you are talking about single person last Nizam. FYI not all nizams are bad otherwise the anti razakaar movement could have come long back.
We never paid tax to British, we paid to nizam but later most of the nizams wealth was acquired by the govt and you (colonizer,looters,parasites ) had eye on the buildings of the nizam and begged for merging to avoid your pig tents in kurnool.
You paid tax to the hyd ? One of the greatest invention of the United Andhra Movement , go back and check with your ancestors, before nizam they could have paid something during kakatiya regime also. Please tell this to your Lagulapaati , he can say this infront of media.
I am not trying to convince you i know you from almost 1 month, you never address the solution you always try to give the irrational reason as if 3.5 crores people of Telanagan are ignorant.
I was never passionate for telangana but after Dec9th i went and read all the history.You never said histroy was wrong so you know that all the agreements were there but you say our leaders would not have done that. Recenlty all your leaders kept the T in their manifesto , what f*** you guys were doing at that moment. Don't say YSR never supported T, then y did he arrange the Roshaiah committe, y did he say am not against T.
I have lot of friends from Andhra, but attitude of people like yours changed my mind. How stubborn you guys are, i wonder how we neared you guys all these days.
When students are beaten you guys talk about law and order 144 crap.
Whatever you done after Dec 9th , there is not even a single laati charge for the entire days.
Please dont give reply to this, there is a saying on corporate industry --- "Arguing with your manger is like fighting with a pig in the mud, pig will enjoy but your clothes get dirty."
"Can you tell me one new railway line in Telangana. "
ReplyDeleteNadikudi -bibinagar railway line.
but railways are controlled by central govt.
until 1977 congress was both ruling country/state.
also there were hardly any new railway lines in the whole of the country.
ReplyDeleteNadikudi -bibinagar railway line
That line helps lot of guntur folks travel to hyderbad, instead of people going to hyderabad via vijayawada-warangal-kazipet. Shortcut from G