Friday, January 21, 2011

Telangana 74: Why are Andhras frustrated?

When Kalvakuntla Chandrasekhar Rao (KCR) came onto the scene in Andhra Pradesh with a small political outfit called Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) in 2000, Andhras were not extremely disturbed.  Instead they were quite amused.  That’s because KCR spoke in Telangana accent and that was always a funny spectacle for most Andhras.  You see, in 100% of the Telugu movies, the guy who speaks Telangana accent is either a buffoon or a goon.  He is never the main hero or the main villain.  Of course, he is not even the side-hero or the main comedian, because they are also important actors, though second in rank.

In Telugu movies, the Telangana-accent guy gets kicked around all the time, literally.  By the time the movie approaches its end all the Telangana-accent actors are eliminated from the plot.  Only the hero and the villain remain – neither of them will be from Telangana.  Naturally, most Andhras thought that KCR was one of those small time actors; not the main villain and definitely not the hero.  They expected him to get out by the time big boys from Seemandhra come onto the scene.

So, when Telangana agitations got into full swing in 2009-10, and kept on rising, Andhras just could not fathom how this could be happening.  Is the sidekick turning out to be a hero (for Telanganas) and villain (for Seemandhras)? Nah! Not possible.  This is not an acceptable formula for successful movies.  This movie would never work.

The frustration amongst Andhras is palpable, and it comes out in the same mindset of plot of a Telugu movie.  ‘Why do you have such bad leaders?  How come your leader KCR is not like one of our leaders?’ The innate assumption is very simple:  How come you are following small time comedian instead of big actors from Seemandhra? 

Andhras thought that once Telanganas realize that KCR is just a small time actor, they would stop listening to him and stop following him.  And Telangana Movement would just vanish into thin air.  So they just concentrated on proving to Telangana people that KCR is nothing but a sidekick.

But then Telangana Movement was not going away; it kept on rising.  Andhras just could not understand why so many people are following this sidekick, this goon, instead of the  main heroes they were showcasing like Naidu, Chiranjeevi, Jagan, Lagadapati, etc. 

At this point, we can ask an important question: Why don’t Andhras realize that there is a widespread mass movement in Telangana; that there are really dedicated and smart people who are championing Telangana cause, not blindly following any political leader? Why many Andhras still think that this movement is going to fade away just like that, with removal of KCR from the picture?

To understand why Andhras get bugged each time Telangana Movement keeps rising, we should go back to 1969.

When Telangana erupted suddenly in violent agitations of 1969, Indira Gandhi swooped down with armies and police to simply quell the agitations with brute force.  Andhras were quite happy with what Indira Gandhi did, and they thought they could just go back to doing what they were doing, which is filling up Telangana job posts with Andhra people in large numbers flouting every rule.

In the aftermath of 1969, Indira Gandhi enrolled all the Telangana leaders into Congress, threatening them, cajoling them, while throwing at them some compromises.  One such compromise was making a Telangana man the Chief Minister for the first time.  Andhras knew they could dilute this compromise as easily as they diluted Gentlemen’s Agreement and Section 371 D.  However, this Telangana man allowed Telangana people to go to Supreme Court which upheld the Mulki rules.  That means the jobs in Telangana are no longer up for grabs by Andhras.

This upset Andhras a lot.  They were celebrating after 1969 agitation was crushed.  The party just got started.  Andhras living in Telangana were calling their sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, uncles and aunts to come to Telangana to take up the jobs that were opening up in Telangana.  Many Andhras back home bought tickets to send their kith and kin to Telangana to grab the jobs and buy cheap lands.  Now, that party has to stop?  ‘What’s the use of having an internal colony if it cannot be colonized’, they asked.

They knew that Indira Gandhi was in no mood to create a new state in this region.  Instead of coming to the State Assembly building in Hyderabad, the Seemandhra MLAs created their own assembly in Tirupathi dissolving the Assembly.  As a bogey they started a fake movement called ‘Jai Andhra’ movement, which can be roughly translated as, ‘Either give us the colony so that we can colonize, otherwise take it back because it is of no use to us’. 

To please the majority Seemandhras, Indira Gandhi imposed President’s rule, reversed the Supreme Court decision, and diluted Mulki rules, so that Andhras can continue their party.  The colonization of Telangana was once again officially on.

Andhras learnt a lesson though, from these 1969 events.  They were cautioned that this party can be spoilt anytime in future.  Their colonization efforts have to be safely concealed.  Government of Andhra Pradesh stopped giving statistics on region wise revenues/expenditures. 

Also, they stopped using the word ‘Telangana’ in all references.  So, in movies, or speeches, or assembly house proceedings, the word ‘Telangana’ was banned, shunned, so that Telangana people will not even know they belong to Telangana.  Many Telangana people did not know their history – they innocently believed that Potti Sriramulu died for their cause.  They did not study anything about Gentlemen’s Agreement or about 1969 agitations.  Andhra’s history became their history.  Andhra’s identity became their identity. 

Later on, Nandamuri Taraka Ramarao (NTR) created a new myth, that we are all one happy Telugu family and tried to instill this myth into Telangana people and it was partially successful because even many Telangana people innocently believed in it for a long time till Telangana Movement got a revival in mid 1990s.

So, when KCR started turning into a main actor, naturally, the Seemandhras launched a vehement attack on KCR.  They couldn’t attack other stuff that he represented because they had references to word ‘Telangana’.  KCR’s party Telangana Rashtra Samiti and Telangana Movement have the word ‘Telangana’ in it.  Since KCR doesn’t have ‘Telangana’ in his name they could say all kinds of things about KCR without having to utter the word ‘Telangana’. 

Conveniently, Andhras think that everything that happens in Telangana, for the cause of Telangana, is only because of KCR.  They see him everywhere.  They think he funds the entire campaign.  They think he brainwashes every professor, every scientist, and every economist.  They think people show up just because KCR gives them booze and money.  They think he is capable of doing some kind of magic because he is converting everyone, every man and woman, young and old, educated and illiterate, professional and unemployed. 

It is very important for Andhras to believe that this whole problem is the creation of only one man, KCR, because if they somehow focus their energies and eliminate him from the scene before end of the movie, they don’t have to deal with the word ‘Telangana’ anymore.  Even during the height of Telangana agitations of 2010, many Seemandhra MPs in their speeches did not use the word Telangana, and instead referred to Telanganas as ‘the people of that region’. The word Telangana became Lord Voldemort.  It has to be constantly referred to as
'You-Know-Who,' or the one ‘That-Must-Not-Be-Named’.

In one of the recent Telugu movies, ‘Leader’, the hero wants to become CM of entire Andhra Pradesh, but in his speech, he refers to Rayalaseema and Andhra as if those two regions make up entire state, never uttering the word Telangana.

Andhras are now faced with this sidekick and his sidekick movement, which are looming large, ready to stop new job opportunities in Telangana, stop the supplies from their internal colony, and may even reduce the water that flowed so easily without being dammed.  

Many of them are in denial and waiting for the end of the movie, where this minor actor will disappear and with him this ‘you-know-who’ movement. They are frustrated because the movie is not coming to an end.

And those who realize that KCR is not really running the show are even more frustrated.  They cannot believe that these Telanganas, who they always thought to be lazy and subservient, the characterization which is now enshrined in SKC Report, could rise up in such great movement to topple their hegemony.  All these years, they have been telling themselves, their kids, and everyone around, that it is Andhras who have taught Telanganas to be civilized, to speak good Telugu, to farm their lands, to cook their breakfast.   So, it is extremely hard for them to accept that same lazy and subservient people are about to make a state for themselves thereby ending their colonial rule.

But then there are many Seemandhras in Seemandhra who had never benefited from this colonization of Telangana.  In fact the colonization of Telangana ensured that opportunities were accessible only by few of their people, the elite and the rich.  These Seemandhras welcome creation of Telangana.  They are happy to see this colonization end; maybe their own problems will be solved solved now.   They are quite OK to see this sidekick, this goon, this buffoon, become the hero or the villain, because in some way they associate themselves with this underdog.

131 comments:

  1. Kcr may end up as hero, central govt has started withdrawing paramilitary forces from telangana at the same time JAC is planing to gearup agitation while kcr advised trs cadres not to erupt the agitation, while congress cc has virtually dumped MP's from AP To instead hope for electoral prospects elsewhere, call it wishful thinking but i think the gran ol party finally succumbed to the largest civil movement that modern india ever witnessed

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  2. శ్రీ కృష్ణ కమిటి తెలంగాణాలో పర్యటిస్తున్న రోజుల్లో....

    SKC:
    నీ పేరేంటి?

    మల్లయ్య: నా పేరు మల్లయ్య .

    SKC: ఏమి చేస్తుంటావు ?

    మల్లయ్య: వ్యయసాయం

    SKC: వ్యయసాయం ఎలా ఉంది?

    మల్లయ్య: ఏమి బాగా లేదయ్యా , నీళ్ళు లేవు , ప్రబుత్వం కాలవలు కట్టిస్తే బాగుంటుంది, మాకు పది కిలో మీటర్ల దూరంలోనే నది ఉంది, కాని తాగటానికి కూడా కట కట.

    SKC: దానికి ప్రబుత్వం ఏమి చేస్తుందయ్యా , మీ తెలంగాణా ఎత్తులో ఉంది, నీళ్ళు ఎక్కడయినా పైకి ఎక్కుతాయ?

    మల్లయ్య: అదేంటయ్య అల అంటావు, మా ప్రాజెక్టు నా సిన్నప్పుడు మొదలయ్యింది, మా ఉరికి నిల్లోస్తాయని జెప్పారు, ఇప్పుడు నేను సావుకు వచ్చాను, నీళ్ళు లేవు ఏమి లేవు.

    SKC: ఏంటో చెప్తున్నావు , వినబడటం లేదు , మల్లి చెప్పు,

    మల్లయ్య: నాకు గా ఎత్తులు పల్లాలు తెలవదయ్య, నాకు తెలిసినది ఏంటంటే మా తెలంగాణాలో ప్రాజెక్టులు కట్టటం సాద్యం కాదు అనేది నిజమయితే , మరి మొదలు పెట్టినవి 100 % పూర్తీ అవ్వాలి కదా ? సాద్యం అయ్యే ప్రాజెక్టులే మొదలు పెట్టారుగా, అవన్న త్వరగా పూర్తీ కావలిగా?

    SKC: ఎవరయ్య అక్కడ వెనుక మాట్లాడుతుంది, మీరంతా అల గొడవ చేస్తే ఈయన చెప్పేది నాకు ఎలా అర్థం అవుతుంది? ........ ఆ మల్లయ్య మల్లి చెప్పు.......

    మల్లయ్య: మాకు కాలవ సంకుస్తాపన జరిగి ముప్పై ఏళ్ళు ......

    మల్లయ్య మాటలు వినటం మానేసి .....

    SKC: సమయాభావం వలన వెంటనే వెళ్లి పో వలసి వస్తుంది. మాకు మీ సమస్యలు చెప్పి మాకు సహకరించి నందుకు ధన్యవాదాలు

    SKC తన రిపోర్ట్ పేపర్లు తీసి ఇలా రాసుకుంటాడు. "ఇక్కడ తెలంగాణాలో ప్రాజెక్టులు కాట్టటం లేదని అందరు ఫిర్యాదు చేస్తున్నారు, వాస్తవికంగా, భౌగోళికంగా ఇక్కడ ప్రాజెక్టులు కట్టటం సాద్యం కాదు "

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  3. Sujai,

    You are not right. people or politicians of Andhra are not frustrated. There are some practical issues needs to be resolved before Telangana is divided. We can address those issues only during state division. With out understanding those practical issues, central government was trying to initiate the process on December 9th 2009.

    1) With out Jagan's support, Congress in state was in minority. Rosaiah was puppet. Jagan has been creating problems.

    2) Rayalaseema will not receive any Krishna river water if telangana is divided. That is why Raja sekhar reddy spent lot of money for digging tunnels for getting krishna water from kurnool to kadapa or pulivendula. Those projects are not completed.

    3) Lagadapati, Chiranjivi, Nagarjuna, Rosaiah, Rayalaseema leaders do have more assets in Hyderabad than in their native places. They need political support to manage those assets. They need to relocate if state is divided. Otherwise they cannot contest in state assembly.

    4) Botsa is supporting Andhra division assuming Vizag will be captial. But he will really support only it is confirmed.

    5) Except Lagadapati many leaders from Vijayawada supported the division. In fact, first few hours after announcement they are thinking ways how they can make vijayawada as captial city. After those few hours, wind direction is changed.

    6) JC diwakar reddy wants greater rayalaseema or rayalaseema with some water promises or rayala telangana.

    7) No body was listening to chandra babu naidu on December 9th 2009. First time it appeared TDP is dead in single day.

    8) With out convincing MIM, Hyderabad does not run even single day. Some body needs to convince them as well.

    9) Common man's question is how could central government initiate process with out discussing the issue in parliament or in state assembly

    If central government follows the procedure, issue would not have been this bad.

    We need to discuss this issue in parliament and state assembly. We need to listen from MLAs, MLCs and MPs. Each location has different demands that are associated with division of state. We need to understand those issues thoroughly. We need to propose the bill in both places. Once bill is proposed may be Telangana people do not like it and Andhra might like it. No body really knows how bill comes into picture.

    In order to discuss this issue in parliament, all parties in UPA government needs to approve it. It never happened.

    In order to discuss this issue in assembly, all state cabinet needs to approve it. It did not happen either.

    There is no comparison here between movies and reality.

    By the movie characters, dialogs are finally decided by directors and producers of the movie. Their main goal is to make money. Ask directors and producers. Do not get frustrated your self. In Ragada movie, Nagarjuna talked Rayalaseema accent. I did not like it at all.

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  4. Right on the dot Sujai. One common trait I noticed in all Andhra guys is that they hate KRC. They actually believe that KCR is that the cause and will be the end of any Telangana discussion.

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  5. [8) With out convincing MIM,]

    I dont agree on this. They never was a strong voice for either United Andhra or Telangana. They are hardly on the news.

    [4) Botsa is supporting Andhra division assuming Vizag will be captial.]

    I dont think so, every one knows Vijaz is tooooo far to reach for half of the state.

    [9) Common man's question is how could central government initiate process with out discussing the issue in parliament or in state assembly]

    Initiate means the process starting. He asked state assembly to send there opinions or something like that. After that the parliament discuss the issue. MLAs and MPs can discuss this in the assembly or parliment, they dont have to blackmail with mass resignation. With that act, the scope for the healthy discussion was dead.

    [If central government follows the procedure, issue would not have been this bad.]

    If our state leaders stand on there word, issue would not have been this bad.

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  6. ‘Either give us the colony so that we can colonize, otherwise take it back because it is of no use to us’.

    Extremely biased post this.

    Sujai,

    Hyderabad is the capital of the entire state that happens to be in Telangana. Its natural for any population who don't have strong financial bond to their place of birth to navigate to their state capital for better employment oppurtunites. To picture this as a plot to colonize Telangana is not apt. If the capital of Andhras had been in Andhra we should not have seen as much of migration to Hyderabad from Andhra. Also, migration is a truth of life. Most civilizations don't belong to the place they now live in. Migration of people of Andhra to other parts of Telangana started long back when Nizam invited Andhra farmers to start tilling lands in Telangana. I know of sincere Andhra officers who came to Telangana and put their wives' jewelery on lien to pay the wages to the daily-wage workers while laying electricity lines here. Not to deny there also have been heart-less Andhra entrepreneurs who swindled public money and don't care at all about the land they live in.

    BTW, I am not a big fan of your opinion to generalize blame on entire group of people (Andhras, telangana etc). It does not sound rational. When you can simply make your statements more correct by making them specific...Andhra politicians, some Andhra businessmen etc...

    It's a right of every Indian to migrate to any place one likes. I agree its well within the right of a region to get separated if they desire so, provided its not detrimental to the national interests.

    Jai Andhra movement came in more because Andhra's felt that they should not be fighting to get jobs in their own capital city. When we have a capital, let us get equal oppurtunities in jobs at least there.

    Your observation that Andhras think Telangana movement is only because of KCR is not correct. Probably the Andhra politicians are trying to project it that way. Vast majority of people in Andhra think Telangana demand is not totally unjustified. But they are mostly against the sepration because they feel they are losing Hyderabad, and employment oppurtunities there - because they have associated that with their capital city.

    It is the duty of you good bloggers to put the facts in their right perspective rather than over-generalize them and smear blame on entire set of people.

    Might be you should do an article on how beneficial it would be if Andhra got separated and a capital city is established in Andhra and show us all through the design of all the anti-T elite of Andhra.

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  7. Life's not digitalJanuary 21, 2011 8:56 AM

    You always try to categorize things only as black/white. Real life is not digital electronics buddy, its more fuzzy :)

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  8. Life's not digitalJanuary 21, 2011 9:02 AM

    Andhras are colonial, Telanganas are oppressed
    - Andhras are bad, Telanganas are good
    - Andhras are frustrated, Telanganas are inspired,
    Andhras think Telangana = KCR, Telanganas think Telangana = legitimate, their birth right

    - Come on man...at least sometimes try to don the shoes of your enemy :) Reality is more fuzzy than 1's and 0's....

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  9. Sujai,

    first thing is finally you showed your true color. You are TRS campaigner period.
    Nobody was really afraid of KCR.
    Andhra leaders always recated aproppriately to KCR. Till Dec 9 2009 he was virtually ignored by Andhra leaders.
    KCRs fasting drama was a open secret as he himself hinted it out on TV discussions. Everybody knows the secret discussions between KCR family and Ahmed patel during the fast. Nobody can deny that KCR became a hero on the night of Dec 9 2009, whatever was the reason behind it.
    Here comes the real difference. KCR and Telangana agitators were after CBN instead of increasing pressure on center to fullfil its promise.
    By and large Andhra leaders did not chose aggressive path except a few cutting across parties. Those few targeted KCR only bcoz at present he is lodest of all.

    Since analogies help you a lot understand things better here is one.
    In any championship winners of semi-finals fight for the title. Losers play for 3 and 4 positions.
    Funnily KCR, despie being a winner, is playing a loser of the other semi-final.
    No surprise Telangana continues too be politically backward too.

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  10. A hate-filled divisive speech.


    "He is never the main hero or the main villain."

    Who stopped Shankar from using Nitin or another T actor for his movie JBT? So, r u advocating affirmative action in 'commercial' cinema? Ridiculous... market decides who succeeds.. not every movie of Andhrite or non-andhrite hero/villain is a hit. U fail to explain how Narayana Murthy is able to lead in the movie in the roles he believes in.

    "They think he funds the entire campaign. They think he brainwashes every professor, every scientist, and every economist. They think people show up just because KCR gives them booze and money."

    In fact, you got it backwards. This is what u accuse Seemandhra of. Replace KCR with Seemandhra and u get all ur blog posts filled with hatred. Anyone/org who writes or supports a united state or any other option is discredited, character assassinated and hated.

    Overall the movie script u have thrown in this post is not even a b-grade movie. Wonder ur T-heroes and T-villains are willing to act in this plot :)

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  11. Chess Master:

    There are some practical issues needs to be resolved before Telangana is divided. We can address those issues only during state division.

    What are those practical issues?

    2) Rayalaseema will not receive any Krishna river water if telangana is divided.

    No evidence to suggest this. Speculation.

    8) With out convincing MIM, Hyderabad does not run even single day. Some body needs to convince them as well.

    Without convincing Nizam, Hyderabad State became part of India.

    9) Common man's question is how could central government initiate process with out discussing the issue in parliament or in state assembly

    Read ‘Key to Telangana: Article 3’. No need to discuss it in the state assembly.

    If central government follows the procedure, issue would not have been this bad.

    We agree. No need to discuss it in the state assembly. Should have followed the procedure.

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  12. X and Y:

    So why did Andhras sign Gentlemen's Agreement if they wanted to treat Telangana as an open market?

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  13. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"

    Mahatma Gandhi

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  14. Sujai,

    Gentleman's agreement is a whole different mess. My opinion is Hyderabad state should not have merged with Andhra at all. But when it had been merged for more than fifty years, people of all regions develop an affiliation to the city just because it their capital with more oppurtunities etc.

    Hyderabad as a state capital should not differentiate between regions. Every one should be having equal rights on a state capital. Jai Andhra was aimed to emphasize that.

    Now, Telangana movement is not a movement that says give-us-what-rightfully-belongs-to-us, it's more about saying get-lost-from-YOUR-capital-city. That is okay with Andhras but there's way of negotiating someone to get out. You have provide terms that are mutually agreeable. Unless there's consensus there I am afraid separate Telangana is going to be a long drawn batttle.

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  15. ANDHRAS had a window of opportunity throghout the year of 2010, to engage in meaningful dialogue to convince tg people of adopting some middle path, but they squandered this opportunity for concessus and instead took refuge in self denial now it is a matter of do or die for telanganites

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  16. JAI ANDHRA Movement was basically launched by the kamma elites who were pissed at indra gandhis progressive landreforms that would have benefited BC'S

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  17. "Now, Telangana movement is not a movement that says give-us-what-rightfully-belongs-to-us, it's more about saying get-lost-from-YOUR-capital-city."

    For Telanganas, this movement is to do with WHOLE of Telnangana, not just its geography, but its history and identity.

    The fight is for everything inside Telangana, including its cities and towns.

    For Andhras, this movement is all about 'Hyderabad'.

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  18. I know you would say

    Article 3 - no need for consensus - get lost.

    But Indian constitution was not written for all possible scenarios that might arise in the future in the democracy of India. This is a new scenario - I know you are well read - You would say - Hey Maharashtra Mumbai Gujarat was there - now get lost. But just because there was no amendment then, it does not mean there will be one now. It might be fairly easy for someone who is a well read lawyer to argue in a court of law (supreme court) and fight for a case to make it mandatory for a consensus before one divides the state :)

    Andhras might not be able to prevent the state from being divided but they can make sure the division will happens at terms that are not so unacceptable to them.

    Long battle ahead. So, its not easy as implementing Article 3.

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  19. >> For Andhras, this movement is all about 'Hyderabad'.

    Yes, absolutely right. Completely agree. The battle is about Hyderabad and Andhra businessmen's investments in it and about alienation of Andhra-common-man from what they believed was their capital city.

    Although I am an Andhra guy who was born and brought up in Telangana and had to put up with the utter neglect of the rulers of this state for long, till I came to Hyderabad. I support separate Telangana. The end is good. What I object are means. T-guys can do better job with the means.

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  20. Article 3 - no need for consensus - get lost.

    You wouldn't ask the question if you understood why Article 3 came the way it came.

    If we have to have a meaningful discussion on this you should understand what 'consensus' means and what 'Article 3' means.

    You should also understand the purport and meaning behind the clauses in Indian Constitution.

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  21. >> Andhra guy who was born and brought up in Telangana

    -- oops, that makes me a telangana guy per KCR and law ( sorry -- identity crisis for me :) ). It should actually be - a telangana guy born to Andhra parents :). Wait a sec..my dad was in government service, posted in T for over 35 years - actively recruited many telangana people under him who, though my dad is retired, keep visiting him (he likes them and they like him) - so probably that make him a telangana as well as per law? But his accent is more Andhraized than mine...does that matter....?

    But all said and done - I am for Telangana and it's disadvantaged population that once included me. The battle should have been more continuous rather than being sporadic - once in 1969 and then only so intense after 2010. Please don't lessen the pressure till you get T this time round. But at the same time don't generalize the blame on Andhras - I know you have a blog piece that supports it - I don't agree with you. And more importantly, the means to separate are not as trivial as Article 3.

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  22. "You wouldn't ask the question if you understood why Article 3 came the way it came.

    If we have to have a meaningful discussion on this you should understand what 'consensus' means and what 'Article 3' means."

    I fully know the purport of Article 3 very well. Thats the reason why Andhras can't constitutionally prevent formation of T in its current form. But then, why do you think the union Govt. is not just doing it? Why are not T-guys just fighting with the center to do that very thing?

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  23. and why do you think SKC (know you say its intellectual dishonesty) stresses on consensus for Option 5?

    Laloo's (He once uttered to divide Bihar over his dead-body) great Bihar was divided only after the state assembly unanimously passed the resolution for Jharkhand.

    Consensus is the only way forward and it is possible only when leaders sit and talk.

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  24. @X&ampY
    <<Consensus is the only way forward and it is possible only when leaders sit and talk.


    Consensus Means a "General Agreement" according to Dictionary.

    Teleanganites and Andhras Have nothing to agree Upon exept for the Mutual Hatred for Each other. Telanganites are being Called Naive Lazy Drunkards, Andhras are being called Parasitic Commercial Minded Settler Thieves.

    I saw this Dasha Disha Program in HMTV desperately trying to evolve some Consensus , almost Everyshow after Starting with some Reasonable Debate( Only because its Moderated) Descended in to a Shouting Match Some times coming to blows. And finally Both Sides Always Agreed on Nothing.
    Consensus was tried and Failed , Now its for a Third Party aka. Central govt to make a Matured Decision before the people of both regions start to cut each others throats.

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  25. Sorry but Dasha-Disha is very immature. Not to discredit either groups.

    In a democracy, consensus in its truest sense is impossible.

    Central govt can take a decision but there were problems worse than this that were amicably solved. What's required is visionaries on both sides to put aside differences and speak to each other.

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  26. @X&Y
    <<<my dad was in government service, posted in T for over 35 years - actively recruited many telangana people under him .


    Even If I assume that your Father got Posted in T with Genunine Nativity Certificate( Not a Job grabber) Your fathers Case will be exeptional rather than Norm.
    It is only Due to Widespread Nepotism among Andhra Settlers that
    Resulted in Andhras Hijacking every Institution ( For eg: 90% of Secreteriat employees are andhras, if they were like ur father, there wouldnt be 90% andhras) .

    I appreciate you Calling yourself a "Telenganite", But if Your Father Settled here 35 years ago Grabbing the Job of a Telenganite, Think You Andhras will have to Pay for the Sins of Your Fathers.

    There was so Much Animosity between common British Public and Indians During British rule But all that Changed Overtime after Independance hope the same occurs here.

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  27. What about the people who came to Hyd because of jobs in BHEL, DRDL, DMRL, Midhani, HCl, OFC, Central Govt jobs, other PSUs ... did they also 'steal' T jobs?

    Should their children be denied seats in Osmania?

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  28. People from all over India Come and work in Cenral govt Institutions like
    DRDL, ECIL , TELANGANA people WELCOME people but not JOB STEALERS who come with Fake Nativity Certificates and GET POSTS BY Their Political and Monetary influence of their Andhra Settlers Relatives and Friends in Telangana. THATS SHEER NEPOTISM.

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  29. There is Indian oil refinery near ghatkesar arnd 25 km from Hyd on the way to Warangal.
    Even the labor post in that established was occupied by andhras..
    The locals never even got a single job...wht do you say...didn't they steal the jobs in whtever the way possible.

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  30. http://www.simplytelangana.com/2011/01/07/blunders-in-srikrishna-committee-report-%E2%80%93-part-3/

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  31. >> But if Your Father Settled here 35 years ago Grabbing the Job of a Telenganite, Think You Andhras will have to Pay for the Sins of Your Fathers.

    :) Does not make sense. You Andhras? I consider myself more telanganite. if my father had even usurped, he is already retired - you can't make me pay for his sin:) Also, I already had paid for the sin (all the neglect I had to live in) And he did not usurp any job from telangana guy. He was already in service before he was transfered to Telangana. My dad was not interested to come here at all in the first place - who would be interested to come leaving his home land? - Back then, there was lack of qualified people to work in govt jobs here in telangana and he was asked to come and work in telangana by his officers :) But then as he mingled with local people he liked Telangana more than Andhras. When he was posted to Vizag before he was about to retire he went without salary for six months on a leave.

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  32. hi,
    its this same KCR who wanted to join congress just 3 months before YSR died.

    so what are we looking at into over here.
    which ever movie(generally speaking) will have hero and villian in the climax.
    why dont telagana people make movies with their heroes, heroins, comedians. etc

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  33. Like I said Your Father Must be an Exeptional Person not the Average Parasitic Settler.

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  34. Sujai,
    In one of the recent Telugu movies, ‘Leader’, the hero wants to become CM of entire Andhra Pradesh, but in his speech, he refers to Rayalaseema and Andhra as if those two regions make up entire state, never uttering the word Telangana

    I watched this movie long back so I don't remember exactly. Though the hero may not have specifically uttered the word Telangana (which may be accidental). I remember very clearly that he says if he gets elected he makes sure there are no valasalu in Palamuru, no suicides in Siricilla and no florosis affected people in Nalgonda. So its not like the director wanted to deliberately ignore T region.

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  35. <<<hough the hero may not have specifically uttered the word Telangana (which may be accidental).



    Yaa Right "Accidental", May be he got Upset Because He was Made to Say "Jai Telangana" Forcefully during the shooting.

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  36. wiki,
    Yaa Right "Accidental", May be he got Upset Because He was Made to Say "Jai Telangana" Forcefully during the shooting.

    Then why do the T activists forcefully make people say "Jai Telangana". Its not like the hero is a politician or anything. He is not a samaikyandhra activist. He is just an actor doing his job. If people voluntarily say Jai Telangana its great. If they stay quiet its fine and if they say Jai samaikhyandhra that should be fine too because they are just expressing their opinion just the way you are. The other day KTR was passing a statement about JP Narayana on TV that he won't let him move around in Hyderabad (bidda ninnu hyderabad la tirganiyyam). These are exactly the kind of things that are detrimental to the genuine T movement.

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  37. >>Then why do the T activists forcefully make people say "Jai Telangana".

    So, that is not an accidental...

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  38. So, that is not an accidental...

    As far as the movie is concerned, the director/hero character in the movie did not show any discrimination against Telangana as evidenced by the fact that they mentioned real problems affecting the towns in that region. My guess is the omission of telangana when they mentioned the other two regions could be accidental. But this is about the movie.

    Now, coming to real world, I can't speak for the actor. May be he really doesn't want to say 'Jai Telangana' (which means separate the state in today's context) or may be he does. I don't know.

    I don't mind saying Jai Telangana if it means May Telangana be prosperous and victorious. But if it means separate the state, I might not want to say. You see the point?

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  39. Hyderabad: It was always believed that the brand equity of Hyderabad suffered as a result of the Telangana agitation and that scared investors shunned the city. However, figures now show that Hyderabad's strength as an IT hub has not suffered a dent. In fact, the software industry has done particularly well in 2010 and will retain its 4th spot in software exports in the country.

    Contrary to fears, companies have been in expansion mode. The space taken on lease by software companies in IT parks has increased by 48 per cent in 2010. And 2010-11 is likely to be one of the best years for Hyderabad's software sector.

    "The talk of Telangana has not affected the growth of IT industry. In January last year, there was an agitation. That was the time Facebook came to Hyderabad, JP Morgan came to Hyderabad. So did United Health Group. During that time, they went around. It is not that they had not seen other states and other cities but they finally zeroed on Hyderabad. It was like a shot in the arm for us,'' said K Ratnaprabha, the IT Secretary of Andhra Pradesh.

    The industry admits safety of their units and employees was a concern but once that was taken care of, 20000 employees were added.


    "Lots of investors had lots of concerns. Many companies who are on 24x7 operations cannot afford to have a downtime of two or three days continuously. They had lot of apprehensions, but fortunately the government gave us confidence,'' said J A Chowdhary, the Co-chairman of FICCI, Andhra Pradesh.

    Experts believe the entry of new firms will reflect in the software export figures from Andhra Pradesh next year. This establishes that the 'T' factor has hit neither IT nor brand Hyderabad

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/no-impact-of-telangana-on-hyderabads-it-industry-80779?pfrom=home-India&cp

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  40. We come across a lot of people questioning Telanganites'
    about their unsuccessful stints in helping the region inspite of holding ministerial positions....

    What they have failed explaining is Rayalaseema's backwardness inspite of three C.M,s(almost consecutive terms) hailing from there for about 15 years ????

    Though CBN and YSR families have grown phenomenally during their stints,paying hundreds of crores in advance tax,when their region suffers from poverty

    CBN,YSR and Kiran Reddy,and so on held the C.M's seat during the most developing stage of Indian Ecomomy....

    Inspite of such powerful leaders hailing from Seema,it could not see much development....

    What they fail to understand or to see is,that the Telangana movement is not a regional,caste or religious struggle....

    It is a tight slap on a few pockets of society that have caused such severe inequalities between the rich and the poor....

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  41. @Warangal,


    The only people cribbing are the land sharks,who never lose an opportunity to let a common man know,who calls the shots.....

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  42. కథ: ఒక తండ్రి, అతని కుమారుడు , కుమారుని సవతి తల్లి మరియు సవతి తల్లి సొంత కుమారుడు.

    కుమారుడు: నాన్న , అమ్మ నాకు సరిగ్గా తిండి పెట్టటం లేదు, తన కుమారుడికి మంచి రుచి కరమయిన భోజనం, నాకేమో చాలి చాలని పచ్చడి భోజనం.

    తండ్రి: ఏమేవ్ వీడు చెప్పేది నిజమేనా?

    సవతి తల్లి: అలా అంతరెంటండి , ఇద్దరు నాకు సమానమే,

    తండ్రి: ఏరా, అమ్మ అలా చెయ్యట్లేదు అంట కదా?

    కుమారుడు: నేను చెప్పేది నిజమే నాన్న

    తండ్రి : సరే ఎవరు చెప్పేది నిజమే ఇప్పుడే తేల్చేస్త , అన్న దమ్ములు ఇద్దరు వెళ్లి అక్కడున్న ఇరవై కిలోల బస్తా ఎత్తండి .

    ఇద్దరు వెళ్లి లేపారు,

    తండ్రి: సరే, ఇద్దరు చెరి రెండు బస్తాలు లేపండి,

    ఇద్దరు కొంత కష్టంగా ఎత్త గలిగారు

    తండ్రి: ఇప్పుడు చెరి మూడు బస్తాలు లేపండి

    ఇద్దరు కొడుకులు ఒకేసారి మూడు బస్తాలు ఎత్త లేక పోయారు

    తండ్రి: ఇద్దరు ఆరోగ్యంగా, పుష్టిగా ఉన్నారు, ఇద్దరు సమాన బరువు ఎత్త గలిగారు, దీంతో నాకు అర్థం అయినది ఏమిటంటే ఇద్దరికి సమాన భోజనం పెట్టటం లేదన్న ఫిర్యాదు తప్పు,

    ఇలా నిర్ణయించటం తెలివి తక్కువగా ఉందనిపిస్తుంది కదూ? శ్రీ కృష్ణ కమిటి కూడా రిపోర్టు కూడా అలానే ఏడిసింది .

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  43. Though CBN and YSR families have grown phenomenally during their stints,paying hundreds of crores in advance tax,when their region suffers from poverty
    Madam,
    payyala kesav already replied to these questions. He clearly said "I take responsibility for backwardness of Rayalaseema. It is failure of our politicians".
    He also added "we do not want to blame other regions for our failures and say they are taking away more funds"

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  44. For all those who want some statistics - Madam Lavanya are you listening ;-)

    Visit http://www.deccanchronicle.com/

    You will find that among the options given by the SKC;

    1. The first option has a support of 6%.
    2. The second is 4%.
    3. The third is 1%.
    4. The fourth is 7%.
    5. The fifth option is 33%.
    6. The sixth option has a support of 48%.

    For a city based newspaper like DC I am surprised that the fourth option got just 7% and I am equally surprised that the sixth option got 48%.

    Does this mean that most Hyderabadis want the sixth option.

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  45. Lavanya,

    So according to you despite seema sending 3 CMs it is undeveloped.
    So why do you all complain that T people were CMs for a very limited period.

    Doesn't your argument also mean that having political power does not mean development of the region?

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  46. Green Star,

    Your telugu story.....
    What conclusion will you draw? Can you conclude that one son was fed more because the other said so?

    Given the info, the conclusion drawn by the father is correct. If one son was indeed fed more, he would have struggled less than the underfed son while lifting the third bag.

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  47. 1. The first option has a support of 6%.
    2. The second is 4%.
    3. The third is 1%.
    4. The fourth is 7%.
    5. The fifth option is 33%.
    6. The sixth option has a support of 48%.


    6+4+1+7+33+48=99

    Where is that remaining 1%? I doubt the counting logic behind the poll, is it like our electronic voting machine? or the way how Bush won second time? Trash.

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  48. 1. The first option has a support of 6%.
    2. The second is 4%.
    3. The third is 1%.
    4. The fourth is 7%.
    5. The fifth option is 33%.
    6. The sixth option has a support of 48%.

    6+4+1+7+33+48=99

    Where is that remaining 1%? I doubt the counting logic behind the poll, is it like our electronic voting machine? or the way how Bush won second time? Trash.


    He he. Looks like you don't get the fact that fractions are rounded off and to be on the safer side there is actually never 100:100. He he. Just check any market survey book. You will get the methodologies. He he.

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  49. He he. It makes me laugh. In fact any survey theory textbook will tell you to never trust "results" that are 100:100.

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  50. @Sera,

    All that you came up was a poll conducted by a prejudiced DC!!!!!

    ROFL.....:))

    I can create one such poll in a jiffy...

    http://pollcode.com/

    hahahahahahhaaa

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  51. "Doesn't your argument also mean that having political power does not mean development of the region?"


    Check mate.....;-)

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  52. "payyala kesav already replied to these questions. He clearly said "I take responsibility for backwardness of Rayalaseema. It is failure of our politicians"."

    "He also added "we do not want to blame other regions for our failures and say they are taking away more funds""

    @Anonymous,

    Who exactly is PKR to decide for the entire Rayalaseema region????

    Are the people of Seema coming out of their homes,in support of his statement...

    Get real brother...

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  53. He he Lavanya you can create many polls and beat forrester and nielsen and TOI and Deccan Chronicle. He he. Actually you can create a 100. Go ahead. He he.

    You seem to need primary education from someone. Take it from Sujai. He is always willing to offer education to less educated individuals than himself (and by the way without any prejudice it also includes me according to his highness Sujai's judgement). ;-)

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  54. @pok,

    "So according to you despite seema sending 3 CMs it is undeveloped."

    It is not that I think,it IS...
    My question is WHY???


    "So why do you all complain that T people were CMs for a very limited period."

    ????????????

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  55. Madam,

    you are typical again.
    "Taanu cheste sringaaram.. partulu cheste ...".
    Well PKR does not represent views of Rayalaseema. You accept peoples view only if they come out on streets and shout meaningless slogans.
    It is simple any view that does not suit you is not popular.
    You remind me your great leader Jaipal reddy.
    In year 2000 TN elections Congress supported Jayalaitha. When media asked why congress supporting he said today major issue is communal division and corruption is no issue. Then reporter reminded him that she was already convicted in a case and not eligible to become CM. He replied it very easily "High court judgement is not final. She is innocent till proven in highest court."
    Likewise you want everybody else to substantiate everything only by the forum you chose. When it comes to T it is wish of 4 crores.
    With the same mindless approach your elders accepted merger and dargged the issue so far.

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  56. "You seem to need primary education from someone. Take it from Sujai. He is always willing to offer education to less educated individuals than himself (and by the way without any prejudice it also includes me according to his highness Sujai's judgement). ;-)"


    Hmmmm,getting personal only shows that your argument had no more counters left .....

    :-)

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  57. Are the people of Seema coming out of their homes,in support of his statement...
    Asalu samasya ekkadundo teliyakunda evado edo annadani veedhina padi bobbalu pettam seema samskaaram kaadu. Adi meeku mee kcrke saadhyam. Seemollu anyaam jarigite atmahatyalu chesukoru. telusugaa maa aadikesava reddy maata "addoste..."

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  58. "You seem to need primary education from someone. Take it from Sujai. He is always willing to offer education to less educated individuals than himself (and by the way without any prejudice it also includes me according to his highness Sujai's judgement). ;-)"


    Hmmmm,getting personal only shows that your argument had no more counters left .....

    :-)


    Hey Lavanya. No need to take it personal. Didn't I say I am willing to come to the school of Sujai with you?

    He he. Time for some humour - actually in the spirit of this article which is humorous and the frustrated one appears to be Sujai rather than either the telanganites or the andhras.

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  59. @Anonymous,

    {Get yourself an i.d first...it gets confusing after some time}

    Learn to base your arguments on some ground instead of getting derogatory with your remarks....

    Keshav Reddy or for that matter any representative can talk only for the people of the constituency they represent....
    He cannot represent an entire region,unless the people of the region have shown extreme faith in him...

    I do not see the JAC's,the student unions,or any forums coming out to support his opinions...

    When a leader does not enjoy support from other sections,his speech is more a rant than an educated opinion....

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  60. Kachara's leadership was not born in one day. He built it brick by brick,starting of the day he resigned from Assembly.He spent crores organizing the cadre and arranging meetings in Siddipet. During 2001 elections he campaigned aggressively,toured the places on helicopters(for local body elections!!!).
    He systematically pulled the cadres from other parties and infused the spirit of Telangana in the populace.He is a great leader and organizer.If Telangana spirit is so strong the entire credit only and only goes to Kachara.
    He was never written off by any politician. People from other regions didn't think of consequences of separation.Back when Kachara started his party,there was not much animosity with Andhra people,there weren't any reports of systematic hatred towards Andhras. But the same Kachara in his sheer desperation to garner more votes started a smear campaign against Andhra both in his rhetoric and actions that made him an anti-hero in Andhra. His actions which were devoid of any inklings of hatred initially got drenched with abhorrence towards not just Andhra leaders but the common man there. That watered down the Telangana agenda.
    Art 3 is not a magic wand ,the issue will be discussed in Parliament. Even if MP from Meghalaya has an objection,it has to be addressed.It is not easy,Discussions are inevitable.

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  61. Kachara's leadership was not born in one day. He built it brick by brick,starting of the day he resigned from Assembly.He spent crores organizing the cadre and arranging meetings in Siddipet. During 2001 elections he campaigned aggressively,toured the places on helicopters(for local body elections!!!).
    He systematically pulled the cadres from other parties and infused the spirit of Telangana in the populace.He is a great leader and organizer.If Telangana spirit is so strong the entire credit only and only goes to Kachara.
    He was never written off by any politician. People from other regions didn't think of consequences of separation.Back when Kachara started his party,there was not much animosity with Andhra people,there weren't any reports of systematic hatred towards Andhras. But the same Kachara in his sheer desperation to garner more votes started a smear campaign against Andhra both in his rhetoric and actions that made him an anti-hero in Andhra. His actions which were devoid of any inklings of hatred initially got drenched with abhorrence towards not just Andhra leaders but the common man there. That watered down the Telangana agenda.
    Art 3 is not a magic wand ,the issue will be discussed in Parliament. Even if MP from Meghalaya has an objection,it has to be addressed.It is not easy,Discussions are inevitable.


    I like the word Kachara that you used for KCR for purely literary reasons. It sounds so hilarious in the spirit of this article. For those who may not be aware Kachara means garbage or rubbish. I a hindi-speaking Hyderabadi who finds the fourth option the best anyway have nothing to do with this. But still hilarious in the spirit of this entire article.

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  62. Madam,

    everbody have seen and heard enough of peoples voice. A couple NGOs bunk their duties and shout in front of secrateriet. They become NGO JAC. Now appear a couple of professors and shout. They are Professors JAC. Then comes the turn of barbers, bulloc-cart pullers, so on. After couple of days every JAC puts on pink and dines with KCR.
    You and your great Sujai say the movement is lead by people. (Of course there is another colourful star to assist you).
    Anybody wants to understand how 'wide' is Telangana movement? Watch RajTV. The camera never covers a place more than 10 feet wide but news readers say "prajalandaru raastaroko chesindru".

    BTW, how do you expect anybody to debate with you? Sujai chose a free-of-cost archiac blogspace to spread the hatred. This free stuff cannot provide a simple feature like reply.
    With hardly any juice inside the skull you just echo his views and giggle. (Remind me a couple of funny characters on TV soaps).

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  63. Sera,
    yes Prof. Jayashankar is the first intellect of Telangana. But he cannot touch Mr. Missed-the-nobel even with a pole.
    With couple of hand written and printed hand-outs he could spoil only a few minds.
    But our MMTN could create a virtual tiolet on cyberspace with all his preachings.

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  64. "I regret to tell you that Prof Jayshankar will be hurt if you call Sujai the first intellectual. Courtesies should be maintained. At least for humorous purposes. This articles makes me want to wear diapers again. Its so immature and so hilarious if not obnoxious. Even an outsider like me - a hindi-speaking hyderabadi settled in Hyderabad for around 400 years - feels ridiculous with all these claims and talk. Sujai is really frustrated."
    I'm so sorry and wish to profusely apologize. Sujai is waiting to step in the saddle of Jayasankar. New waters, Techie Jay!Way to go!

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  65. @Lavanya,

    >> It is a tight slap on a few pockets of society that have caused such severe inequalities between the rich and the poor....

    May be not. Telangana is not a magical stick. Formation of T is only going to be a start of a long arduous journey. Post-T, leaders of T have still got a lot of work to do. Euphoria of new country/state can't uplift vastly poor society. Telangana leaders have to start instilling confidence in people of Telangana. They already have guys who can be their torch-bearers (Sujai). Bridging economic divide is a pan-India battle.

    My biggest concern is, after the state is formed how we can prevent T-leaders from ignoring Telangana - due to whatever reason(They can say Andhras are lobbying hard at the center and preventing us from building canals/dams etc. - or they try to make merry ignoring people because they could not really call the shots all this while)

    @wiki,

    >>There was so Much Animosity between common British Public and Indians During British rule But all that Changed Overtime after Independance hope the same occurs here.

    yeah, well said. People will soon realize life's too short to hate each other :) Long run, its not the question of you or me, but rather you and me, not the question of competition, but co-opetition.

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  66. Actually you guys forgot another intelligent human being called Andhra Gandhi, who is currently walking on the earth, the great Andhra lord Lagadapati, who submitted a 500 year old map to SKC to prove telangana and andhra are the part of some kingdom, historically they belongs to same race. I wondered how he forgot the 5000 year old map which proves there are no countries at that time, all humans belongs to one country. And demand SKC to merge all countries into one.

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  67. As per today's eenadu news paper, Harsh Kumar, the cowboy of Andhra will agree to Telangana formation if Telangana let HYD go with Seemandra.

    I am glad he spared other nine districts, I was afraid he may ask for other nine districts too...

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  68. There are many other very intelligent people out there in Seemandra who agitated for United Andhra saying no one should divide the state which was created by the scarifieses of Potti Sree Ramulu.

    Later they were told that Potti is a hardcore separatist, and they stopped using his name for the movement, thats another story, I am not interested to talk about it.

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  69. BTW, how do you expect anybody to debate with you? Sujai chose a free-of-cost archiac blogspace to spread the hatred. This free stuff cannot provide a simple feature like reply.
    With hardly any juice inside the skull you just echo his views and giggle. (Remind me a couple of funny characters on TV soaps).


    Hey. That ain't polite. We are also debating in the same blogspace that Sujai chose or actually created. Give credit to him for that.

    In fact the only other place I found worthy of discussion on this topic is myteluguroots.com. I actually find it better with more reason and sense. Of course it is more regulated.

    Lets thank Sujai for that.

    But this particular article has been particularly bad. That's ok. I understand that Sujai has no plans to win the Pulitzer journalism prize. But still this particular article is also in bad taste. If its tastes like that to a non-telugu I can understand how it will be to others. And Kachara is important however Sujai might want to disown him.

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  70. OU students' stir losing fizz as politicos keep away - The Times of India
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/OU-students-stir-losing-fizz-as-politicos-keep-away/articleshow/7329968.cms#ixzz1BgvMfeQT

    It is forces within that are weakening the movement. In an irony of sorts, the students' agitation for separate Telangana spearheaded by those in Osmania University is neither being threatened by the law enforcement authorities nor those against the division of the state, but by various factors and forces within. As a result, the OU campus, where till now passionate students held rallies and fought pitched-battles with security forces, has fallen silent.

    "This is happening because the political parties have withdrawn their physical and financial support, parents are prevailing on their wards not to enter the agitational path and also because many students are finding that their job applications are being rejected by firms when they realise that they are from Osmania University," said a top leader.

    According to Telangana students' JAC sources, in contrast to the backing that they got from political parties the whole of last year, the parties this time around have virtually done a U-turn and kept a distance from the campus agitation. Some feel that this could be because the political leaders are unable to control the student leaders. "Why would a leader back a students' movement when youth leaders do not listen to them," said a leader.

    "Last year, we got a lot of support. Political parties would fund the printing of pamphlets, help with medical expenses to those injured in agitations, as well as supply food when the hostel mess are closed. These have stopped now. In fact, on Wednesday, one student sustained bullet injuries but we did not get any medical help from the political parties," rued a student JAC leader.

    "The politicians have ditched us. They do not want the student movement to develop into an independent movement," said many leaders and students of Osmania University.

    Another factor putting the brakes on the movement is parents, specially of weaker economic sections, prevailing on their wards not to resort to violence. "Many students who returned to the campus after holidays said that their parents do not want them to plunge into the T movement anymore," confessed a leader.

    According to the students, the change in attitude among the parents was triggered by the recent controversy of cases booked against students. "While, on the one hand, the legal aspect of these cases will keep them visiting courts for months or maybe for years together, the students also stand to see their academic and work career destroyed," said a leader.

    "Some of the students did get away as the cases were withdrawn. But if fresh cases are booked again, who knows if they would ever be lifted and after how long," the parents are said to have argued.

    Losing out on job prospects too has forced students to keep away from the agitation. Several companies have reportedly refused to consider the job applications of many students from Osmania University. Pidamarthi Ravi, JAC leader, admitted that several students were turned down by companies during interviews. "They perceive us as trouble-makers. This is happening because of the lack of political support," Ravi told TOI.

    This problem was highlighted by the case of Damera Rajender, a research scholar. He said he got a cool response in an interview when they found that he was from Osmania university. "A finance company set aside my application simply because I was from OU," he said, adding that many of his batchmates had similar experiences. Rajender said this was the repeat of the 1969 experience, when students who participated in the movement were denied jobs.

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  71. Asalu samasya ekkadundo teliyakunda evado edo annadani veedhina padi bobbalu pettam seema samskaaram kaadu. Adi meeku mee kcrke saadhyam. Seemollu anyaam jarigite atmahatyalu chesukoru. telusugaa maa aadikesava reddy maata "addoste..."

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLL..........Way to go.....

    anna ee article vishayanikaste, cinemalalla telangana ollanu jokerla lekka, goonda la lekka sooptundranta. Ganduke maa sujai anna naaraj aitundu. mee rayalseema ishtyle etlane mastuguntadi? mottam jaagalalla sampite vilan aitaru..mee ollu sampi sampi herolu aitaru - mimmulanu koodka andhrollu mastu gaa "kidal" chestundru le. mari emanna manam royal-telangana kosam kotlaadadamaave?

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  72. gaffaww whaatta article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Sera full movie screenplay maadiri appide romba nalla storyline undaadi. Movie sestaa produce sestaava?

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  73. @X..Y,

    "after the state is formed how we can prevent T-leaders from ignoring Telangana - due to whatever reason"

    The boon of the Telangana movement is this very aspect of missing a single party leadership or hero worship(or what ever we can call it)

    The problem with people is,they do not understand this concept of leadership....

    People are still so used to NTR,CBN,YSR and the todakottudu kind of drama from our politicians,that they haven't understood the BLACK COMEDY that Sujai had used here...:-)


    (They can say Andhras are lobbying hard at the center and preventing us from building canals/dams etc. - or they try to make merry ignoring people because they could not really call the shots all this while)

    The accountability of the leaders towards their constituency,is the real issue here...It is this constitutional flaw,that has been the root cause of almost all the corruption related problems in India....

    It is this flaw that lets the leaders take the voters for a ride after the elections....


    We as citizens have no right to question our leaders.We are only instrumental in bringing them to power,and not to drive them to fulfil their promises.Our only option is to wait for another term to question them or punish them,by when he damage is already done...

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  74. cont...

    Not having a single party in a superior position is actually good on some counts,since,it brings down the possibilities of dynasty politics in Telangana...

    I think even you and others would agree that India has had enough of that...

    People of Telangana have refused to take up a single leader(like CBN,NTR,YSR..) or a single party (like TDP,Congress..etc)because they have already been cheated several times...

    The only thing that binds them together is a single agenda...
    TELANGANA...

    They want people they can question,can live with,can talk to everyday,can hold accountable...not some babu who comes once in 5 yrs...

    Prajala thoni palakulu....

    It is a good step,a new idea...to solve some of the constitutional googly s.....

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  75. Quote:
    "
    "after the state is formed how we can prevent T-leaders from ignoring Telangana - due to whatever reason""

    Thanks to T movement, now we learned 'how to kick our leaders butts for going away from people and there needs', and we dont want to forget this learning.

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  76. @Lavanya,

    Love Telangana because of this.

    @Greenstar,

    >> The boon of the Telangana movement is this very aspect of missing a single party leadership or hero worship(or what ever we can call it)

    Yeah. I agree in Telangana right now, there are not fissures along the line of caste, religion etc. Sycophancy is towards a cause rather than an individual. Same was the case in British-ruled India. They united under the banner of a great leader for a cause. But see what transpired after that :) My point is this movement should not stop even after T is formed, it should go forward and bend the backs of these politicians and have them make their system more robust and free from manipulation. May be the intellectuals should gear up after T to leverage their contacts with politicians to fix the system once and for all. Anyways long thinking cos' the fight for T is still a long, arduous path!


    Thanks to T movement, now we learned 'how to kick our leaders butts for going away from people and there needs', and we dont want to forget this learning.

    I am afraid, this is not efficient and sustainable. We need to ocme up with a self-correcting system. Multi-party parliamentary system was supposed to do that, but that failed us very badly. Time the cream of this land tried thinking hard to design a novel framework.

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  77. >> Love Telangana because of this.

    :) this is because the divisions in this region are not based on caste (Andhra sucks with caste based stuff)

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  78. Madam,

    excellent guest lecture for MMTN. For once I sincerely agree with you on the serious flaws in Indian constitution and methods of governance.

    Having said that can we be enlightened how pertinent that to the current movement? Is it not same in all regions of all states in the country? Further, how Telnagana state is going to make a difference? Do we have any success stories where leaders were forced to be accountable by people?
    (Wait! I am not referring to mob culture witnessed by Komatireddy).

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  79. @Sera Take Refuge sitting in a Closed Room reading TOI, because may be you are Just Afraid or not Mature enough to accept that the world around you is Changing.


    Loosing Steam<<< Minister Komatreddy was showered with Chappals and Eggs yesterday. Today Ministers DK aruna and Ponnala were Mobbed .

    U remind of me of "one" Iraqi Information Minister, Who Repeatedly aired News on CNN that Saddam is still in power even days after Americans invaded Iraq.

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  80. Sera Piss OFF said...
    @Sera Take Refuge sitting in a Closed Room reading TOI, because may be you are Just Afraid or not Mature enough to accept that the world around you is Changing.


    Loosing Steam<<< Minister Komatreddy was showered with Chappals and Eggs yesterday. Today Ministers DK aruna and Ponnala were Mobbed .

    U remind of me of "one" Iraqi Information Minister, Who Repeatedly aired News on CNN that Saddam is still in power even days after Americans invaded Iraq.


    He he. First it is amusing that you have a nickname on my my identity. Flattery does not get further than that. Thanks.

    Aside from that there is every reason to see the steam losing. Of course there are few cases of mobbing which you said but that's ok. It achieves nothing. Article 3 does not respond to mobbing or mobs.

    And forget that comment of that Iraqi Information minister's episode, the whole Telangana lies is now bare after the SKC report. It will be helpful if you are frustrated less and look at how you could achieve your state through Article 3 and convince Sharad Pawar, Mamta, Karunanidhi, Farooqh, Shive Sena and so. Use you energies beyond spreading lies and hatred.

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  81. @XY,

    "this is because the divisions in this region are not based on caste (Andhra sucks with caste based stuff)"

    :-) Can't agree more...

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  82. "this is because the divisions in this region are not based on caste (Andhra sucks with caste based stuff)"

    :-) Can't agree more... "

    Yeah. because in TG upper caste people always get married to lower castes . Whatever

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  83. @ Sujai

    Who are the frustrated people ? Andhras only wasted a few days in the month of Dec 2009. Thats it. After that they left the business of politics to politicians.

    Unlike you guys ,who are urging your students to commit suicides ,boycott exams , waste their academic years , cause trouble for economic activity by strikes ,rokos etc.

    Who are the frustrated people ? Think once again.

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  84. "this is because the divisions in this region are not based on caste (Andhra sucks with caste based stuff)"

    :-) Can't agree more...

    Time for IQ check.
    T movement boasts of caste-wise JACs. Why separate JACs if there are no divisions?
    The so-called artificial movement on other side had not a single JAC on caste basis. Wait a movement. There are couple of dalit and BC JACs that supporting separation.

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  85. @Nameless,

    "Yeah. because in TG upper caste people always get married to lower castes . Whatever"

    XY, just told how much a hard working,self respecting man hates being judged on caste lines...

    Well,maybe you are not as vibrant in thought as you would like to believe....

    By the way,I am still waiting for that paper work that you mentioned,that prooves the T leaders WELCOMED the Andhras into Hyderabad...

    "After that they left the business of politics to politicians."

    Sensible people like us would NOT want to repeat the mistake of leaving politics to politicians,and will fight tooth and nail to get our voices heard and our demands fulfilled...

    Unlike closet Samaikhyawadis,who surface only with their money bags,we can claim to have fought for every bit of our cause....

    Politics for politicians....that sounds irresponsible,not intelligent...
    Or,maybe I am wrong...

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  86. @Anonymous,

    "T movement boasts of caste-wise JACs. Why separate JACs if there are no divisions?
    The so-called artificial movement on other side had not a single JAC on caste basis. Wait a movement. There are couple of dalit and BC JACs that supporting separation."

    You should read the latest post,that supports this....
    Telangana75..

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  87. Time for IQ check.
    T movement boasts of caste-wise JACs. Why separate JACs if there are no divisions?
    The so-called artificial movement on other side had not a single JAC on caste basis. Wait a movement. There are couple of dalit and BC JACs that supporting separation.


    This is not related to JACs my friend nor related to T-movement. This is about the people's behavior in general.

    An example

    - I've had my friends say, in Andhra (Guntur, Krishna especially ) the first question you are asked when you enter an engineering college is your caste. I studied in a telangana-based college and they give a shit about my caste. This was way back in 1998 and I don't know if people of those districts/castes have turned civilized now.

    Telangana politics is also ridden by caste equations (Reddys and Velamas) but as a common man, I don't mind which caste/religion rules over me (as long as he/she is doing a fair job per law/constitution), but it's animal for a common man to be in a society that discriminates it's fellow citizen based on caste. I love any part of India that does not ask me these questions when I am walking on the road - for example, Tamil Nadu, Telangana, Kerala etc. I have been living happily in Chennai for a few years and I know not a word of Tamil.

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  88. @ Lavanya

    "Well,maybe you are not as vibrant in thought as you would like to believe...."

    Yes maam ,we andhras are not vibrant as TG people ,where there are no caste divisions ,where upper castes always marry lower castes. I admit.

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  89. "By the way,I am still waiting for that paper work that you mentioned,that prooves the T leaders WELCOMED the Andhras into Hyderabad..."

    Read SKC report from page 6 to 10 . You will get all the statements made by your leaders favouring creation of Vislandhra.

    On page 10

    "In this situation, the Hyderabad
    Assembly discussed an official resolution on SRC Report from November 25 to December 3, 1955. The trend of the debate was that, out of the 174 members of the House barring the Speaker, who participated in the discussion, 147
    members expressed their views. Of these, 103 favoured Vishalandhra, 29 favored independent Hyderabad state and 15 remained neutral. From the residuary states, 59 wanted Vishalandhra, 25 separate Hyderabad state and 1 was neutral."

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  90. X & Y Amp

    "I studied in a telangana-based college and they give a shit about my caste. "

    I am sure you gave a shit about your caste when you got married or will get married ?

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  91. Casteism exists in all corners of this country . It is a bigger evil than corruption.

    But to say that TG is better than andhra or Tamil nadu is better than TG in terms of casteism is utter nonsense. All regions are guilty here. No one is innocent.

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  92. @Name less

    I am sure you gave a shit about your caste when you got married or will get married ?

    Casteism exists in all corners of this country . It is a bigger evil than corruption.

    But to say that TG is better than andhra or Tamil nadu is better than TG in terms of casteism is utter nonsense. All regions are guilty here. No one is innocent.


    Dude, chill! Those are my personal opinions/preferences and my judgement has no value. This is not a generic statement and I don't mean to blame whole of Andhra :)

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  93. @Nameless,

    I said proof,not a statement...

    The idiots of SKC couldn't use a CALCULATOR ;-),for their report...
    It is so full of flaws and prejudice,even the SA guys might have laughed at it...

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  94. @ Lavanya

    "I said proof,not a statement...

    The idiots of SKC couldn't use a CALCULATOR ;-),for their report...
    It is so full of flaws and prejudice,even the SA guys might have laughed at it..."

    See this link below :
    http://books.google.com/books?id=DwfE78XsnRUC&pg=PA203&dq=%22hyderabad+assembly%22+1955&hl=en&ei=CxHZTNK_J8KecNOTlfYH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22hyderabad%20assembly%22%201955&f=false

    In that book written by Bhavana Mishra it is clearly written on the debate in Hyd assembly. You can also go to assembly and look in the records if you have more doubt.

    Having said that ,do you guys have a single shred of evidence that TG leaders opposed merger. Is there a debate or resolution evidence. Was there any Hyd PCC resolution atleast. Why did the members favour merger in assembly debate

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  95. @ Lavanya

    "The idiots of SKC couldn't use a CALCULATOR ;-),for their report...
    It is so full of flaws and prejudice,even the SA guys might have laughed at it..."

    Whole India laughed at you after they read SKC report. Credible papers like Hindu expressed their satisfaction that the theory of under development was disproved once and for all.

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  96. @ Lavanya

    The link is not coming properly.

    Go to google books and use this keyword ""hyderabad assembly" 1955 bhavana "

    You will get one result. Go to page 103 and see.

    In fact use the key word ""hyderabad assembly" 1955" and you will get even more references

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  97. @ Lavanya

    It is in page 203 ,not 103 as i wrote above

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  98. On resolution in Hyderabad Assembly:

    In that book written by Bhavana Mishra it is clearly written on the debate in Hyd assembly. You can also go to assembly and look in the records if you have more doubt.

    No proof exists. No record is available in Hyderabad State Assembly. No resolution took place. No voting took place.

    These are lies spread by Seemandhras. It is unfortunate that Srikrishna Committee took the reports presented by Seemandhras 'as evidence' and reports presented by Telanganas as 'hearsay'. Srikrishna rubbished the arguments presented by Telanganas but accepted even the farcical arguments presented by Seemandhras as 'evidence'.

    It is clear to Telanganas that Srikrishna Committee worked with a preset agenda and that its members took the texts and sentences as is from reports of Seemandhras and used it in the report.

    Very soon, if not soon, then once Telangana is formed, Srikrishna Committee will face prosecution.

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  99. T movement boasts of caste-wise JACs. Why separate JACs if there are no divisions?

    Caste-wise JACs means there are JACs to represent lower castes, Dalits, SC/STs, etc.

    Having different thoughts on what Telangana should be is a strength, not weakness.

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  100. @ Sujai

    " No resolution took place. No voting took place. "

    We are not saying a voting took place. A debate happened in which members gave their views. We atleast have on record that members gave their views in favour of merger ,if not votes.

    Do you have any proof that majority members opposed merger ? If you have the proof why dont you share it.

    "Very soon, if not soon, then once Telangana is formed, Srikrishna Committee will face prosecution."

    yawn yawn

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  101. We are not saying a voting took place. A debate happened in which members gave their views. We atleast have on record that members gave their views in favour of merger ,if not votes.


    There is nothing on record. If a event took place in a court of law or State Assembly, it is recorded.

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  102. There is nothing on record. If a event took place in a court of law or State Assembly, it is recorded.
    Sujai,
    you were advised to refer to newpaper reports of 1955 and 1956. You conveniently ignored all that. If you want precise dates here they are.
    December 5th, 1955 - Indian Express
    February 1st, 1956 - The Statesman

    You accept Prof. Jayshankar's conspiracy theory just because he quoted a few new items from newspapers (published by Andhra state). You do not have guts to produce the same.
    You could not produce a single genuine news item from the preiod before 1956 that says "so and so person, group or party from Telangana opposed merger with Andhra". Even Fazal Ali did not use "majority of Telanganas". But every article by T-vaadis opens with "majority of Telanganas were opposed to merger".

    High IQ, politness, great vocabulary are not good enough. Sincerity is required.

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  103. @XY,

    I am not opposing your view on caste division in Kosta region. I have my own experiences and can dish out hundreds of examples.
    But they are irralavent to TG movement.
    On the other hand trying to project TG caste free heaven is highly foolish. Here is my own experience sitting at heart of Hyderabad.
    I have people of 3 different caste from TG in my employment. One Gouda, one Chakali and one SC. Chakali maid refuses to clean the dishes eaten-in by SC.

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  104. By the way,I am still waiting for that paper work that you mentioned,that prooves the T leaders WELCOMED the Andhras into Hyderabad...
    Madam,
    you IQ is so high that your eyes are over head. Sure you will not believe what SKC quoted about parliament debate during 1953 Andhra state bill.
    Take a day off from typing away from dictionary and theasurers. There are some books available online. Take a little pain and search googe books you will find the speeches of Nizamabad, Karimnagar and Yadgari MPs.

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  105. Having different thoughts on what Telangana should be is a strength, not weakness.

    What are different thoughts in single objective and single approach?
    India too tries to cover up its differences in the name of diversity.

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  106. Very soon, if not soon, then once Telangana is formed, Srikrishna Committee will face prosecution.

    Man! Couple of my ribs broken by non-stop laughter.

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  107. But they are irralavent to TG movement.
    That's what I said later. That's my personal opinion and has no bearing on anything.

    One Gouda, one Chakali and one SC. Chakali maid refuses to clean the dishes eaten-in by SC.
    There's a difference between a maid and an engineering college student.

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  108. SLB:

    you were advised to refer to newpaper reports of 1955 and 1956. You conveniently ignored all that. If you want precise dates here they are.
    December 5th, 1955 - Indian Express
    February 1st, 1956 - The Statesman


    I will ask you a question. If a vote or a resolution or an opinion poll took place inside Hyderabad State Assembly, wouldn’t there be a record of such an event? Few dedicated T-activists followed up on this to find the veracity of this event and found no record of such event. In the end it turns out that those news items were nothing more than speculations that continue to happen in Indian media on a daily basis. One leader might have come out and gave out those numbers and newspapers wrote on it. Nobody checked if that was a personal opinion or if indeed voting took place inside the building.

    Recently, one newspaper said that both Pranab and Chidambaram would be dropped from the cabinet or their portfolios changed in the recent cabinet shuffle but no such event took place. On a daily basis, there are reports of how many MLAs support Jagan. One day it is 20, another day it is 70. Which one is the correct numbers? If you want to use it as a historical event for your posterity, you want to get that evaluated someplace. Unless that event takes place inside an Assembly where it is actually counted and recorded, it will be considered a speculation.

    The question is: are we speculating on this number?

    You accept Prof. Jayshankar's conspiracy theory just because he quoted a few new items from newspapers (published by Andhra state). You do not have guts to produce the same.
    You could not produce a single genuine news item from the preiod before 1956 that says "so and so person, group or party from Telangana opposed merger with Andhra". Even Fazal Ali did not use "majority of Telanganas". But every article by T-vaadis opens with "majority of Telanganas were opposed to merger".


    On this topic, I am not seriously bothered whether Telangana leaders were in agreement or not in joining Andhra State. What is important for me, which I have discussed at lengths on this blog, is that there were genuine apprehensions that got translated into Gentlemen’s Agreement. The fact that Gentlemen’s agreement was written the way it was written is a clear testament to the apprehensions of Telangana leaders. You will not find a mention of the Hyderabad State Assembly resolution or against it in my articles. However, when someone said that a book written on this event was a proof for what happened, I am contesting it because we have not found any proof for it so far. Just because it is written we are not going to accept it. For example, we continue to contest SKC report, its findings and it’s so called ‘evidences’.

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  109. In the end people like Lagada and Subbirami just WOW me!

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  110. @Sujai
    "you were advised to refer to newpaper reports of 1955 and 1956. You conveniently ignored all that. If you want precise dates here they are.
    December 5th, 1955 - Indian Express
    February 1st, 1956 - The Statesman.."

    There is no point asking him to refer to rational newspapers. Looks like he is already loaded by GA.com.

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  111. A couple of points need serious debate

    - When parties create election manifestos, there must be a legal framework to prosecute party heads if those promises are not fulfilled, both center and State. Election manifestos have to be clear, unambiguous and time-bound and non-adherence to which should be punishable by law.

    - Agreements like gentleman's agreement must have clauses that clearly outline what's to be done when the agreement is not implemented. Not sure if it had those clauses.

    Telangana deserves a right to be separated owing to two simple facts of history

    1. All political parties have promised the separate state (although ambiguously) and have been elected from this area with overwhelming majority in at least one general election.

    2. Gentlemen's agreement was broken.

    Way forward - Article 3 and talks on how much the new state without the capital(Seemandhra)gets, to establish its own capital.

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  112. @Sujai,

    First thing! Do not harp on vote or opinion.
    By and large commentors from other side agreed it was not vote but only a opinion. You do not like it but they are using it to convey spirit and intentions of then Telangana leaders on merger. You are trying to dismiss it on technical grounds. You are not even ready to accept that meeting occured.

    If you do not want to accept the 'spirit', simply reject it as non-issue for discussion. But do not try to project as-if otherside propagating false information that T activists could not dig out.
    For the first time I am really doubting your IQ levels and common-sense. Do you understand difference between media reporting a legislative event and a new item with speculative analysis?
    Or is it that you are equating an event in Hyderabad assembly with a political drama enacted on the streets? If later, there is no need for discussion about Telangana leaders as their assembly is not worth a panchayat.

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  113. @Sujai,

    You want to discuss only Gentlemen Agreement? Stop other nonsense. Do not ask for proofs that you are not concerned with. Otherwise discuss the issue in totality.

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  114. Sujai,

    you chose to blame all Andhras for GA violations and expliotation afterwards as perceived by you.
    Day-in and day-out you are questionning not just politicians but all people from otherside.

    But you are not answering questions related to propaganda of majority of T activists.
    All of them start with "the merger was forced", "majority of Telanganas were against merger".
    (I am sure I will find them in your blogs too. But I do not want to waste my time digging)

    Do you agree with them or not?
    Say Yes or No. No other nonsense please.

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  115. @Sujai,

    First thing! Do not harp on vote or opinion.
    By and large commentors from other side agreed it was not vote but only a opinion. You do not like it but they are using it to convey spirit and intentions of then Telangana leaders on merger. You are trying to dismiss it on technical grounds. You are not even ready to accept that meeting occured.

    If you do not want to accept the 'spirit', simply reject it as non-issue for discussion. But do not try to project as-if otherside propagating false information that T activists could not dig out.
    For the first time I am really doubting your IQ levels and common-sense. Do you understand difference between media reporting a legislative event and a new item with speculative analysis?
    Or is it that you are equating an event in Hyderabad assembly with a political drama enacted on the streets? If later, there is no need for discussion about Telangana leaders as their assembly is not worth a panchayat.

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  116. Sujai,

    First thing! Do not harp on vote or opinion.
    By and large commentors from other side agreed it was not vote but only a opinion.
    You do not like it but they are using it to convey spirit and intentions of then Telangana leaders on merger.
    You are trying to dismiss it on technical grounds. You are not even ready to accept that meeting occured.

    If you do not want to accept the 'spirit', simply reject it as non-issue for discussion.
    But do not try to project as-if otherside propagating false information that T activists could not dig out.
    For the first time I am really doubting your IQ levels and common-sense.
    Do you understand difference between media reporting a legislative event and a news item with speculative analysis?
    Or is it that you are equating an event in Hyderabad assembly with a political drama enacted on the streets?
    If later, there is no need debate Hyderabad assembly which was no more than a panchayat.

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  117. Sujai and Lavanya,

    a small question for people with high IQ levels like you two.

    "Say you randomly picked up 10 people from across the globe. You ask them a general question pertaining to all of them. What will be the pattern of response?"

    A variation of above
    "What will be the pattern if all the 10 people were taken from same place and asked a question pertaining to all of them?"

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  118. SLB:

    You do not like it but they are using it to convey spirit and intentions of then Telangana leaders on merger. You are trying to dismiss it on technical grounds. You are not even ready to accept that meeting occured. If you do not want to accept the 'spirit', simply reject it as non-issue for discussion.
    But do not try to project as-if otherside propagating false information that T activists could not dig out.


    Coming to this topic, I don’t want to drag it beyond its validity. If someone quotes numbers, saying certain number of elected representatives is ready for a merger, which happens to decide fate of so many people, we would like to know if indeed that is true. I tend to believe that it is a mere speculation of one of few leaders of that time. Unless I see a proof, I dismiss your assertion the way I dismiss one Seemandhra legislator who said that 83% people in Telangana are opposed to a separate Telangana.

    I don’t give this event too much importance because it is inconsequential. Detractors of the Telangana Movement tend to divert the topic away from the consequential events, like why Gentlemen’s Agreement was so ignominiously broken, why Telangana was neglected in water, why certain GOs remain unimplemented.

    The key item here is ‘mistrust’. We don’t trust your sources the way you don’t trust our sources. You dismiss our arguments and proofs. We tend to look at your ‘evidences’ with utmost skepticism. We find you insincere and untrustworthy. When I say that, I am seeing you as a group pitted against Telanganas as a group, not as individuals.

    You may ask: how do we proceed with a reasonable discussion if we were to mistrust each other so much? Well, I think we have crossed all those limits where we can have reasonable discussions. You had 54 years to prove to Telangana people that you are being sincere, and the entire history is fraught with broken promises, reneged agreements, unimplemented GOs, revoked Supreme Court decisions, and many more. Each of those incidents clearly suggests that we cannot trust Seemandhra leaders or its activists anymore. We see more Ramalinga Rajus than trusting leaders in the other’s campaigns. Each of the actions, including representing to SKC posing as Telanganas reeks of egregious insincerity.

    I understand that you don’t trust us either. Which is OK. Hence the need to separate without much ado. We may be able to trust you the way Indians trust British now, after Independence. But when they were ruling us, we came to a point where each of the actions of British was seen with mistrust. Right now, Telanganas are in that state.

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  119. SLB/Name less:

    Do you agree with them or not? Say Yes or No. No other nonsense please.

    Ask nicely. You will be surprised. You may even get an answer.

    If you had asked nicely, you might have been surprised. May be, Telanganas would have like to remain in the united state. Your insincerity shows, no matter what, and that’s what we are trying to escape now.

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  120. Coming to this topic, I don’t want to drag it beyond its validity
    That is what exactly I told. But you ended up with same nonsense for another 4 paras.

    Mistrust:
    We mistrusting you is your hallucination. Not only on this blog but any blog on internet people asked you for source of information. You (and other T-activists) either quoted Jayashankar or ended-up "according to me...".
    All that we are asking was meaningful evidence and applying logic. Tell me onething honestly. How many unity supporters opposed your claim of violating GA? Very few. Our argument is more on amount of actual impact of violations vs the life and death issues projected by T-vaadis.
    Just go back and review your own comments on 2 lakh jobs vs 2 lakh opportunities.
    You were told time and again not to talk on behalf of all Telanganas. First thing we have never expressed mistrust in T arguments. But only questionned their interpretation and using those abbreations to creat hatred.
    You are already out of Telangana. So the matter will be settled between people inside AP.

    We know very well that you cannot answer simple and straight questions. Our purpose is exposing this to others.

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  121. Sujai,

    old habits die hard. I have told you to drop the point if you do not want to discuss. But you are back with 4 more paras of same crap we heard for over an year.
    Mistrust is part of your hate-campaign. BTW, you, as an individual, already left AP. Who leaves whom will be decided between people of AP. Stopping talking on behalf of all Telanganas.

    BTW, for this very reason of making nuisance every time Andhras decided to leave Telanganas. But your dumb leaders pleaded them to stay united.

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  122. @SLB,
    Dude, I have been specifically reading your posts and you are no different from Sujai, harping the same crap over and over again.

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  123. @SLB,

    How does it even matter if Hyd assembly welcomed Andhra to merge? It might be a fabrication on part of T-vadis that this welcome was a fabrication but probably the only point here is - we have a legal signed document that was unabashedly reneged upon. Andhras were not so gentlemanly as Telanganas thought. What do we do now? Option 6 says it would create the same signed document again which seems childish.

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  124. How does it even matter if Hyd assembly welcomed Andhra to merge?
    This was just a counter to sustained malification.
    GA is equally irrelavent in todays context.
    Let me correct you, GA was neither legal not constitutional.

    harping the same crap over and over again
    I have already said in one of my posts. That is my intention. Countering lies with sustained argument. T activists' propaganda of "merger was forced" has to be shatterred first.
    You cannot chose only points in your favor and pass the entire blame.

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  125. Let me correct you, GA was neither legal not constitutional.

    That's the whole point. You guys have no locus-standi in ahdering to signed documents. T-guys don't trust you because you are not true to yourselves. You might at a later date say the same thing. This what T-guys are saying. Signed documents won't work. The only option we are left with is 5.

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  126. That's the whole point. You guys have no locus-standi in ahdering to signed documents. T-guys don't trust you because you are not true to yourselves. You might at a later date say the same thing. This what T-guys are saying. Signed documents won't work. The only option we are left with is 5
    I cannot talk on behalf of all Andhras. Here is my my view. It was a common knowledge that GA was signed only to pacify some elements. Even then tallest leader (often quoted by T-vaadis) Nehru made mockery of GA.
    Personally I do not accept option 6. It will end up once again "moratuvaadiki mogali puvvu".

    Let me remind you option 5 has condition to get approval of other regions.

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  127. After reading some of the comments I too want to post on this.

    Accent:

    See based on the population over the villages , every place in andhrapradesh got it's own accent. I'm from kadapa, In my district itslef I can see 3-4 accents.

    Accha telugu means: Telugu with no accents (no one know it's origin but our old ancient littérateurs will tell you about it.

    I bet if telanga divides, all text books , news channels and movies shoud get converted into telangana accent. I'm not criticizing any one, but I too feel not good about most of our local accents(in my district). They are not polished.

    I too feel funny if I see people talking kakinada accent.

    Based on accent no one will be differed from other ..


    Development:


    If you see srikrishna report, one point interests me is the count of number of 2-3 wheelers in all the 3 regions. Definitely it will tel the development progress.

    Yes, If telangana divides, it will get developed, but it's not good to kick the other guy to get this kind of development if we are in a same state.

    KCR : i always remember him as a great leader , who bring the burning inside his heart to entire state.


    Telagana people:

    You are my brothers and sisters yar .. do go crazy, think ..


    Some times i feel so bad if the state is getting divided .. I dont know but yes.. soon i will forget it ..

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  128. NOW who ever came up with the thoery of capital should be in the center of a state. Please if u are ignorant just admit it why propogate such myths?.Mumbai is not in middle of maharashtra nor chennai is in the middle of tamil nadu they are to a corner of their states. But some telugu people seem to be adamant about the geographical locaion of the new capital(if at all divided). Aren't all politicians running to delhi thats in north. So cut off ur assumptions and come up with something more meaningful.

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  129. There is a certain naivete in this article. Comparing films and reality. Whether it is Hollywood movies or Bollywood movies, a certain language, dialect and style always takes precedence over others. I doubt Hindi cinema would have been able to make repeat movies with heroes speaking a local dialect of UP or Punjabi...beyond a point no one can take it. Same with Hollywood. Same with every other language.

    Even for priestly duties, certain priests are ridiculed for their pronounciation. We are all conditioned to have expectations.

    But to extrapolate this into some kind of a hatred for the community is stretching things too far. I am not aware why Telangana parents and families cannot ask the Education Ministry to create a space for teaching their culture. Or why a Telangana film director does not come forward to make movies with Telangana heroes and language.

    When I lived in Hyderabad, I really did not want to come there. There is a certain rudeness, roughness of behaviour that jolts Andhra sensibilities. Women are treated with far less respect in Hyderabad than in coastal Andhra. In fact, women do not and are not supposed to have any ambition. A Muslim attitude seems to have seeped into the Hindus there.

    Is caste an Andhraite obsession? Not so if I know some families in Telangana who did not want a lower caste girl for their unemployed sons.

    Personally I find Andhra politics disgusting. We are a state without any self respect. I was an NCC cadet, and we were the only state that sent a North Indian as their representative, despite having a Telugu candidate who was fully qualified for the position. Kerala's candidate was a 4 feet 2inches height. Andhra's was 5 feet six. Kerala will not compromise. Visalandhra has no standards. Such is our self hatred.

    I find the Telangana agitation a shameful result of this lack of self respect. The corruption in Andhra is not an Andhra domination issue...it is the domination of Reddys who do not have respect even amongst coastal Andhras. NTR is respected not because of his region, but because he was the first person who brought Telugus to the notice of India. Let us give him that credit, wherever he may be from.

    By all means keep spreading this kind of biased reporting if it suits you, but as an Andrhaite I prefer to see a corruption free state that has a strong sense of self respect.

    In terms of pioneers and contribution to India how many Telugus know of their greats? Sarvepalli Radhakrishna is Telugu, but most of the nation thinks he is Tamilian. They say the same about SPB, Balamuralikrishna, Mandolin Srinivas, Mokshagundam... Thyagaraja should be a Telugu hero, but he has been usurped by Tamilians. Tamilians are hungry for icons, of which Telugus have provided many....how many Telugus are proud that PV is the first South Indian PM, and lasted his term in New Delhi for a full term? How many care to talk about Potti Sreeramulu?

    I went to AIR, Hyderabad.. they do not have the archives of Tanguturi Suryakumari who gave us the most evocative version of Atma Shatakam.

    Please put your differences aside and provide creative solutions. One of the finest aspects of Sardars is that they give so much to the country despite being made so fun of. In fact most Sardars have a roaring sense of humour. Let us learn and work for improvement, not shred ourselves into pieces. We have giants on whose shoulders we can stand. Let us know them first.

    As an Andhraite, I will say confidently that I would love to know about Telangana culture and heroes

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  130. There is a certain naivete in this article. Comparing films and reality. Whether it is Hollywood movies or Bollywood movies, a certain language, dialect and style always takes precedence over others. I doubt Hindi cinema would have been able to make repeat movies with heroes speaking a local dialect of UP or Punjabi...beyond a point no one can take it. Same with Hollywood. Same with every other language.

    Even for priestly duties, certain priests are ridiculed for their pronounciation. We are all conditioned to have expectations.

    But to extrapolate this into some kind of a hatred for the community is stretching things too far. I am not aware why Telangana parents and families cannot ask the Education Ministry to create a space for teaching their culture. Or why a Telangana film director does not come forward to make movies with Telangana heroes and language.

    When I lived in Hyderabad, I really did not want to come there. There is a certain rudeness, roughness of behaviour that jolts Andhra sensibilities. Women are treated with far less respect in Hyderabad than in coastal Andhra. In fact, women do not and are not supposed to have any ambition. A Muslim attitude seems to have seeped into the Hindus there.

    Is caste an Andhraite obsession? Not so if I know some families in Telangana who did not want a lower caste girl for their unemployed sons.

    Personally I find Andhra politics disgusting. We are a state without any self respect. I was an NCC cadet, and we were the only state that sent a North Indian as their representative, despite having a Telugu candidate who was fully qualified for the position. Kerala's candidate was a 4 feet 2inches height. Andhra's was 5 feet six. Kerala will not compromise. Visalandhra has no standards. Such is our self hatred.

    I find the Telangana agitation a shameful result of this lack of self respect. The corruption in Andhra is not an Andhra domination issue...it is the domination of Reddys who do not have respect even amongst coastal Andhras. NTR is respected not because of his region, but because he was the first person who brought Telugus to the notice of India. Let us give him that credit, wherever he may be from.

    By all means keep spreading this kind of biased reporting if it suits you, but as an Andrhaite I prefer to see a corruption free state that has a strong sense of self respect.

    In terms of pioneers and contribution to India how many Telugus know of their greats? Sarvepalli Radhakrishna is Telugu, but most of the nation thinks he is Tamilian. They say the same about SPB, Balamuralikrishna, Mandolin Srinivas, Mokshagundam... Thyagaraja should be a Telugu hero, but he has been usurped by Tamilians. Tamilians are hungry for icons, of which Telugus have provided many....how many Telugus are proud that PV is the first South Indian PM, and lasted his term in New Delhi for a full term? How many care to talk about Potti Sreeramulu?

    I went to AIR, Hyderabad.. they do not have the archives of Tanguturi Suryakumari who gave us the most evocative version of Atma Shatakam.

    Please put your differences aside and provide creative solutions. One of the finest aspects of Sardars is that they give so much to the country despite being made so fun of. In fact most Sardars have a roaring sense of humour. Let us learn and work for improvement, not shred ourselves into pieces. We have giants on whose shoulders we can stand. Let us know them first.

    As an Andhraite, I will say confidently that I would love to know about Telangana culture and heroes

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  131. This debate is refreshing. I like the humour as well as the retorts. I don't know if the article is in bad taste, but well if someone wants to vent on a blog, he or she is free...and we respond only at our own cost.

    Look folks, it is not like the Andhras conspired to make Hyderabad the state capital. Frankly, Hyderabad is unfit to be a capital for Telugus. But I guess with Bangalore out of the Nizam area and Mumbai out of the Nizam area, to pacify the situation of forced acquisition of Nizam state by GOI, Andhras were made the scapegoats by making Hyd the capital.

    Had Vijayawada been the capital, the State would have been on a different level today. Whatever. While the Telanganites here are crying bucketfuls about being cheated, they seem blissfully unaware of the impact on Andhraites.

    Before creation of states on linguistic basis, Andhraites used to go to Madras since that was the capital of the Madras Presidency. Potti Sreeramulu fought for a Telugu identity and got it. But Telugus lost with the silly capital being placed in Hyderabad.

    Where do you see the rich language of Telugu flourishing in Hyderabad? On the streets? Gimme a break. What about Hyderabad as a cultural centre...can it compare to Chennai, Kolkota, Ahmedabad, Delhi or even Pune? Where the hell is Kuchipudi dance flourishing? Where are the Veena maestros....Chitti Babu settled in Madras and Emani Sankara Sastry settled in Delhi and Tanguturi Suryakumari settled in London.

    Wake up!! Stop looking at idiotic politicians -- if corruption is the problem, please tackle corruption...don't make this a cultural issue. Andhra Pradesh is the most cheated state in the country. It contributes but gets no credit. We are one of the quietest performers in the country. Heck, we are also one of the most successful Indian communities in the USA.

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