Saturday, January 22, 2011

Telangana 75: Will Telangana become another Jharkhand?

Will Telangana become another Jharkhand, where corruption is rampant, political institutions are weak, and democracy has taken a back seat to pave way for oligarchy?

To answer this question, we need to learn a bit about Indian Independence Movement, because that’s the closest ideal we have in this subcontinent to measure ourselves against, and also because Telangana Movement derives its inspiration from it.  What happened on 15 August 1947 was not just toppling of British regime to be replaced by self-rule, but it was a major overhaul of the political, social and cultural map of this country, transforming itself from a eclectic mosaic of monarchies into a vibrant republic, overthrowing feudalism to be replaced by a socialist society, transforming a heavily male chauvinist society to give women their freedom, converting a upper caste dominated society to an emancipated society where lower castes are treated as equals.

All this happened because of what preceded before 15 August 1947, during the long course of Indian Independence Movement.  The focus of the movement was not just against the British but was directed at toppling our masters within [1][2][3][4].  For that, we had created organizations, forums, committees, parties, and groups enrolling people at grass root level.  These organizations and groups were the key to instilling a strong case for democracy in this country.  These peoples’ organizations competed and collaborated with each other, allowed debate, let reason prevail, giving voice to many suppressed sections of the society.  The fact that we had created hundreds of people’s organizations and democratic political bodies during our freedom struggle is a key reason why India remained a vibrant democracy after Independence while most third-world countries that attained freedom from their colonial masters quickly became dictatorships or autocracies.  

Pre-independent Indians invested heavily into creating these democratic and political institutions at all levels, at village, at districts, at states.  There were linguistic groups, regional groups, religious groups, and groups for women and groups for lower castes.  All these groups became active during the freedom movement itself and after attaining independence they continued to negotiate with the modern nation of India resulting in a mature democracy.  Though there are still some flaws in our democracy, because we discontinued the revolution of toppling our masters once we became independent, I would still say that a long standing democracy in this country is our most important achievement as an independent nation.

Telangana Movement follows Indian Independence Movement very closely in most of these aspects.  Right now, there are hundreds of democratic and people’s organizations called Joint Action Committees (JACs) in the region.  There are JACs in the villages, taluks, mandals, and districts.  There are JACs representing various caste groups, professional, academic, and student groups.  There are JACs for backward classes, for Muslims, for women.  There are JACs formed out of engineers, doctors and lawyers.  These are independent groups acting on their own for the cause of Telangana.  They are people’s organizations comprising ordinary people of Telangana and including people from various political parties.   They do not always agree with each other, which is a good thing.  They do not always have the same agenda, which is a good thing.  They compete with each other sometimes, trying to protect the interests of their own groups.  But they all work towards one goal – make Telangana a separate state.  Thankfully, all the JACs do not just obey one political party’s diktat and openly oppose each other many a times, leading to debate and confrontation.  We should welcome all those because these are the very instruments which will save Telangana from becoming another Jharkhand. 

Telangana is using this current movement to create political institutions at grass root levels with increased participation from ordinary people of Telangana.  This shows that there is a greater likelihood that Telangana will result in a mature democracy like that of Independent India.

Jharkhand got statehood without even creating these voices for various groups.  There was no grass root level mass movement preceding its statehood.  Political groups were not democratic enough to convert it into a vibrant democracy.  Telangana is not Jharkhand.  It should be compared to what India was before its Independence.  The prognosis is very good for Telangana. 

The mass movement of Telangana is unlike any other movement in India.  There are bookstores dedicated just for Telangana Movement.  There must be more than 500 books available on Telangana Movement, and thousands of songs, and many documentaries, thousands of articles.  There were nearly 150,000 petitions made to SriKrishna Committee some very elaborate and some succinct.  Of these, nearly 90% are from people of Telangana.  Right now, people of Telangana are the most politically aware and politically savvy people in India, with many of them turning into leaders, historians and writers.  They have scoured over the Indian Constitution, its history, formation of states, and politics, to make their case.  Such political awareness will only result in something positive for state of Telangana.  It has created soldiers armed with Indian Constitution and its rules and laws.  Tomorrow, such a society could be far more democratic than any other state. 

Many Andhras bemoan that Telangana lacks charismatic leaders like YSR or Chiranjeevi or Naidu.  What they don’t realize is that people of Telangana have been wary of god-like heroes.  They would rather topple the leader if he works against Telangana.  That way, tomorrow we will not blindly follow one leader.  Instead we will keep him on his toes, ready to topple him anytime.  That allows us to create a more vibrant democracy than creating dynasties. 

Every freedom movement goes through a choice of two contradicting paths.  On one side, we want a single but strident voice to fight the colonial master, and to get that we would like to have only one organization, which is big and strong that gives only one message. This may be good for the movement to make rapid progress but is not the best for the people once they attain their freedoms because there would only one big organization without any checks and balances thereby leading to autocracy.  On the other side, promoting too many diverse groups during the freedom movement results in lack of cohesion, making the progress slow, with energies being spent on fighting local masters, but will instill a stronger sense of a vibrant democracy with many organizations competing each to provide the necessary checks and balances. 

India is a good example of a nation which followed the second path.  Results did not come easy, the fight was slow, sporadic, with many groups representing various sections of the society.  Debate, conflict and inner strife was as common as united fight against British.  But the result was a sustainable democracy in one of the most diverse nations.  Telangana is following this example today.  With more than one political party representing the interests of Telangana people, with hundreds of committees and JACs representing the interests of various sections of its people, Telangana will become a vibrant and robust democracy and there is a good chance it will not become a Jharkhand.

The key to success of Telangana will be its ability to preserve the current grass root level organizations even after formation of Telangana so that this state will be of the people, by the people, for the people.  Any attempt to unify them all under banner should be resolutely fought.  Any attempt to dilute them by the new political masters should be strongly resisted.  Our hard won freedoms should not be squandered away to the new masters. 

843 comments:

  1. Telangana will become worse than Jharkhand if it attains the state by lying and hating fellow Indians, destroying common man livelihood by frequent bandhs, ignoring issues of corruption that is engulfing this nation (rather focusing on selfish state).

    Telangana is a selfish movement, ignoring national issues and working against the spirit of Indian freedom movement where people from other regions were not despised and hated. If half of this energy was used to fight corruption, maoism, terrorism etc, people would have got better leadership at the Center. Rather, these people care damn about the country and freedom movement. ALL they want is their state... by hook or crook as their political masters are plotting.

    T 'movement' would fail only because it kills this spirit of Indian freedom movement, which was built on brotherhood, love for fellow citizens and focus on nation NOT parochial interests.

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  2. " Our hard won freedoms should not be squandered away to the new masters. "
    Seriously did Telangana fight for independence from British? It not your hard won freedom,you just happen to join the mainstream midway. What else can be said against somebody who besmirches Potti Sriramulu . You don't have a right to draw parallels with Indian freedom. The Telangana feudal lords were with Nizam and want to continue that.
    Jharkhand has lots of mineral resources,it will be much better than Telangana . God bless Telangana!

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  3. Also, KCR and other fanatics lick Nizam's feet at every opportunity and talk about telangana 'self-respect' and 'discrimination'.

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  4. Sujai: The point most people are missing is that even Jharkhand did not become a Jharkhand, it was always the same. All the problems in Jharkhand (or Chattisagarh for that matter) were always there.

    Corruption, Naxalism, political opportunism etc. were an integral part of Jharkhand even when it was in Bihar. Remember the famous JMM MP bribery scandal?

    The tragedy in Jharkhand is that they could not use the statehood to come out of old problems. I am sure they will do so in the coming days.

    There is no reason to expect Telangana (or any other new state) will face plenty of new problems. At wordt, the old problems will continue.

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  5. Right now, there are hundreds of democratic and people’s organizations called Joint Action Committees (JACs) in the region.
    ...

    Maybe this is the serious gap between slogans and reality.
    Different JACs for different geo-graphical units is understandable. Why separate JAC by caste, profession, qualification?
    Why single demand made in different hues?

    BTW, it sounds really good economy for Telangana. Each JAC will have one president and one secretary. (Of course we cannot expect one-man JAC). Depending on exotortion abilities you may have few more members anywhere 2 to 5. So that is employmenet to few tens of thousands for Telanganas.
    What an idea KCRjee!

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  6. LEAVING HYDERABAD WITH SAD HEART:

    I am a software engineer who is vexed and feared because of this T-agitations. I came to Hyderabad with lot of hope and aspiration. But the situation had changed. Our company is closing the branch here and moving to Bangalore.

    I had a dream to settle in Hyderabad thinking that this city will grow greater than Bangalore and in view of that I purchased a home with huge loan that I need to pay for another 15 years. Now I am leaving my home..

    When YSR died, this T-agitations had grown up, which created lot of problem to the every day life of citizen in Hyderabad. The central government is playing political games with these people by not announcing any decision.

    But one thing is for sure that many T-politicians made money and popularity with these.

    A SAD THING IS THAT MANY EDUCATED LIKE SUJAI IS ALSO SUPPORTING THIS BY FORGETTING THAT HE IS TAKING SHELTER DOING BUSINESS IN ANOTHER STATE. THEY WILL COME TO KNOW THE REAL PROBLEM OF THE SETTLERS IN HYDERABAD WHEN A NEW AGITATION IN KARNATAKA STARTS AND KICKS-OFF ALL NON-KANNADA GUYS AND SPOIL THEIR BUSINESSES.

    Today, TRS bastards created a big agitation in kukatpally by throwing stones on the opened shops. This movement was started by Prof. KODANDARAM yesterday. I don't think he is a true professor and well wisher of Telangana.

    Today our company moved out of Hyderabad, tomorrow another company may also do the same. At last because of their foolishness, the Telangana people will loose their livelyhood in Hyderabad. They are in a golden dream that all software jobs will be given to the Telanganas if all Andhras leaves Hyderabad. They forgot the basic thing that even they also will suffer because of their foolishness.

    Because of some T-idiots, many Andhras, Telanganas and people from outside the state are suffering a lot.

    HOPE THERE WILL BE DAY THAT THE TELANGANAS WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS AGITATIONS SITTING OUTSIDE THE STATE WILL ALSO SUFFER AS WE ARE SUFFERING. I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AS IAM NOT SUJAI OR ANY OF HIS SUPPORTER.

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  7. @Satish
    Good decision One less Parasitic Settler to worry about


    Hyderabad: It was always believed that the brand equity of Hyderabad suffered as a result of the Telangana agitation and that scared investors shunned the city. However, figures now show that Hyderabad's strength as an IT hub has not suffered a dent. In fact, the software industry has done particularly well in 2010 and will retain its 4th spot in software exports in the country.

    Contrary to fears, companies have been in expansion mode. The space taken on lease by software companies in IT parks has increased by 48 per cent in 2010. And 2010-11 is likely to be one of the best years for Hyderabad's software sector.

    "The talk of Telangana has not affected the growth of IT industry. In January last year, there was an agitation. That was the time Facebook came to Hyderabad, JP Morgan came to Hyderabad. So did United Health Group. During that time, they went around. It is not that they had not seen other states and other cities but they finally zeroed on Hyderabad. It was like a shot in the arm for us,'' said K Ratnaprabha, the IT Secretary of Andhra Pradesh.

    The industry admits safety of their units and employees was a concern but once that was taken care of, 20000 employees were added.
    "Lots of investors had lots of concerns. Many companies who are on 24x7 operations cannot afford to have a downtime of two or three days continuously. They had lot of apprehensions, but fortunately the government gave us confidence,'' said J A Chowdhary, the Co-chairman of FICCI, Andhra Pradesh.

    Experts believe the entry of new firms will reflect in the software export figures from Andhra Pradesh next year. This establishes that the 'T' factor has hit neither IT nor brand Hyderabad.

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  8. Jharkhand is Cursed by having so many Natural Resources, the Same way the battle for Mineral fuels war in Congo, The Same way Gali Brothers Lord over Bellary because of its Iron Mines. Thank god Telangana doesnt have much Natural Resources exept Rivers and low grade Coal Deposits.

    I will worry about Rayalaseema and Anhdra because of their Mineral and Gas Deposits.

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  9. @ Satish

    No need to fret or feel so sorry.

    The trends are clear that Hyderabad will be a UT or a joint capital or maybe even the fourth option in its entirety may get rolling with a statehood choice.

    Your flat/house will see appreciation.

    The picture is falling in place. It is clear that UPA-2 will not make a decision on their own (by yesterday Chidamabaram's announcement) and will "force" a consensus among both the sides. And what can a consensus be except that Hyderabad be treated as an UT or a joint capital. Even separate statehood supporters (from the other side like Harsh Kumar) have asked for Hyderabad being UT status.

    And it is impossible anyway for UPA-2 to get Sharad Pawar, Mamta, Karunanidhi, Farooqh Abdullah, Mulayam on board.

    Actually even if BJP comes to power it would be impossible to get guys like Shiv Sena or even Modi to agree on a national level. They speak now as they are in opposition and have nothing to lose.

    Only consensus is the way out which translated means Hyderabad as UT or Joint capital (which anyway is like UT like Chandigarh or Pondicherry).

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  10. Takeover Blues: 200 BPO staff may soon become jobless in Bangalore

    Northgate Arinso, after taking over Convergys HRM, has asked employees to either work from Hyderabad or Kochi, or to resign by February-end. Ninety per cent of the employees do not want to shift

    External Link: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=1&contentid=2011012020110120075904157d6c2f79e

    Bangalore will soon lose Infosys edge to Pune

    Thanks to the apathy of successive Karnataka governments, the company has decided to shift its operational base to Pune. Within a year, its Pune campus will surpass the Bangalore headquarters both in terms of employee strength and the built-up area

    External Link: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=1&contentid=201101212011012102310394675271126

    No impact of Telangana agitation on Hyderabad's IT industry

    Hyderabad: It was always believed that the brand equity of Hyderabad suffered as a result of the Telangana agitation and that scared investors shunned the city. However, figures now show that Hyderabad's strength as an IT hub has not suffered a dent. In fact, the software industry has done particularly well in 2010 and will retain its 4th spot in software exports in the country.

    Contrary to fears, companies have been in expansion mode. The space taken on lease by software companies in IT parks has increased by 48 per cent in 2010. And 2010-11 is likely to be one of the best years for Hyderabad's software sector.

    "The talk of Telangana has not affected the growth of IT industry. In January last year, there was an agitation. That was the time Facebook came to Hyderabad, JP Morgan came to Hyderabad. So did United Health Group. During that time, they went around. It is not that they had not seen other states and other cities but they finally zeroed on Hyderabad. It was like a shot in the arm for us,'' said K Ratnaprabha, the IT Secretary of Andhra Pradesh.

    The industry admits safety of their units and employees was a concern but once that was taken care of, 20000 employees were added.

    External Link: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/no-impact-of-telangana-agitation-on-hyderabads-it-industry-80779?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ndtv%2FLsgd+%28NDTV+News+-+India%29&cp

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  11. [A SAD THING IS THAT MANY EDUCATED LIKE SUJAI IS ALSO SUPPORTING THIS BY FORGETTING THAT HE IS TAKING SHELTER DOING BUSINESS IN ANOTHER STATE.]

    Writing in cap letters doesn't make your argument strong. You are talking like we are supporting terrorism. If you really think like that, that will be another reason for us to get separated(many feel like that about us already, calling us naxals, talibans etc, yet they say they love us and we are brothers to them, twisted tongues )

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  12. [Telangana is a selfish movement, ignoring national issues and working against the spirit of Indian freedom movement where people from other regions were not despised and hated. ]

    I too can write such hatred words against you. By writing hate comments against us, you call us we are selfish? What a comedy ..

    If we accept to give HYD to Seemandra, then they will be happy and do not say such words towards us. THey dont even care our state formation if they get HYD.

    In reality they are not getting HYD, so they starting showing there real hatred towards us calling us with names and trying to picture us as anti-nationals.

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  13. [And what can a consensus be except that Hyderabad be treated as an UT or a joint capital.]

    May be Telangana formation will be delayed, but we will make sure HYD will be part of Telangana. Such statements from Seemandra only proves that United Andhra agitation is crap, it is only to occupy the HYD.

    [And it is impossible anyway for UPA-2 to get Sharad Pawar, Mamta, Karunanidhi, Farooqh Abdullah, Mulayam on board.]

    If it is tuen, I have better idea to end the Telangana movement, you support/force to put a bill in Parliament and let all your supporters to vote against the bill and make sure the bill is rejected in Parliament. This will sure end the current agitation, good luck.

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  14. By the way, the assumption of Telangana will suffer a lot because it is a small state, I wonder why Seemandra will not face the same fate after separation? Seemandra is also be a small state, right? Whats makes them so special that they will not have same fate?

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  15. There are opinions,then there are concerns and then there are issues....

    The Telangana issue is much more than an opinion or a concern today...
    It is a larger than life issue,for, the the citizen of the nation has decided to take up the issue,unlike the political,religious or pressure groups that India had witnessed so far...

    The politicians,the media,the detractors and the critics have failed to slot,categorize or brand the movement,because every time they tried doing that,the fires have risen higher and brighter.....

    They fail to understand a Telangana citizen's emancipation and eagerly look forward to derogate it with any caustic or humiliating remarks that they can throw at them...

    No matter what the detractors have to say,the historical,
    geographical,economic and the civic consciousness of the people has increased several folds today,making it a unique and unparalleled schooling that any one of us have attended so far...


    Sera would agree...;-)

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  16. sera:

    It will be helpful if you are frustrated less and look at how you could achieve your state through Article 3 and convince Sharad Pawar, Mamta, Karunanidhi, Farooqh, Shive Sena and so.

    It will be helpful to all of us here if you take some pill to increase your IQ by 50 points so that we can have a meaningful discussion here. [I am not sure if there is any pill which does that. Therefore we are resigned to the fate of enduring your inane suggestions].

    Indian National Congress (not UPA) has 208 MPs, Bharatiya Janata Party (not NDA) has 116 MPs, and Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) has 21 MPs. That makes the total of 345 MPs. To pass Telangana Bill in the Parliament, we need a simple majority, only 276 MPs. Even if all the 21 Seemandhra MPs belonging to INC vote negatively against the bill, Telangana Bill would still go through because it would receive a support of 324 MPs, much more than what we need to pass the bill. So, there is no need for Telangana activists or proponents to convince NCP, AITC, DMK, National Conference or Shiv Sena.

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  17. Sujai Said:

    Indian National Congress (not UPA) has 208 MPs, Bharatiya Janata Party (not NDA) has 116 MPs, and Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) has 21 MPs. That makes the total of 345 MPs. To pass Telangana Bill in the Parliament, we need a simple majority, only 276 MPs. Even if all the 21 Seemandhra MPs belonging to INC vote negatively against the bill, Telangana Bill would still go through because it would receive a support of 324 MPs, much more than what we need to pass the bill. So, there is no need for Telangana activists or proponents to convince NCP, AITC, DMK, National Conference or Shiv Sena.

    Nice math Sujai. If it was so easy it would have happened in the past one year (or even the past 10 years as BJP was anyway agreeable and the UPA-1 also had it in their minimum common programme).

    Looks like you need a dose of rationality to your self-presumptuous inflated IQ but sadly they don't sell that at Medical Shops.

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  18. @Sera,

    If it is tabled in the Parliament.....

    Those are the magic words,THE magic words....

    @Sujai,

    I told you they would understand better with stats and numbers...:-)

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  19. Lavanya said

    @Sera,

    If it is tabled in the Parliament.....

    Those are the magic words,THE magic words....


    Yes. Those are the magic words. And for that it has to get through the cabinet. And there in the cabinet we have mamta, sharad pawar, karunaninidhi's AIADMK.

    We adults know that magic is all in the harry potter books. With your IQ which is 50 points more than the national average I expected better.

    And to just remind you it was the same reason that BJP could not table it in the parliament as NDA as it would not get through the cabinet.

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  20. [If it was so easy it would have happened in the past one year ]

    If that is not that easy why you afraid to face it in Parliament? You are afraid to face it, accept it.

    If you are sure that majority MPs reject the formation of Telangana, then you would have fought it in democratic way in the Parliament(the way you proudly say you follow all the time), instead of blackmailing the govt. with mass resignations. chicken ...

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  21. Thirteen Parties constituted the UPA Government when it came to power.
    They were: Congress Party, RJD, DMK, NCP, PMK, JMM, TRS, Lok
    Janshakthi Party, MDMK, Republican Party of India, J&K People¶s
    Democratic Party, Indian Union Muslim League and Kerala Congress. Out
    of them, 11 parties gave letters supporting the formation of Telangana
    State. The DMK extended its support orally, at the official meeting of the
    UPA held in August 2006. The Congress maintained that as the entire
    exercise was being carried on at its instance, a formal letter from its side
    was not necessary.

    There were 11 parties, besides one independent member, supporting the
    UPA Government from outside. They were: CPI(M), CPI, RSP, Forward
    Block, Janata Dal (S), Rashtriya Lok Dal, Sikkim Democratic Front,
    Samajwadi Party, BSP, SJP (R), and MIM. Out them, seven parties,
    besides one independent member, gave letters in support of Telangana
    State. They were: BSP, CPI, Forward Block, Rashtriya Lok Dal, Janata
    Dal(S), Sikkim Democratic Front, SJP(R). The stand taken by the
    Samajwadi Party is not known. The CPI (M) maintained that as a matter of
    principle, it was against the disintegration of linguistic states. But, it stated
    that it would not come in the way of formation of Telangana State. The
    Party made it abundantly clear at a meeting held on 22nd August 2006, with
    the representatives of Congress High Command.

    There were 14 parties in the opposition, besides 3 independents. They
    were: BJP, Shiv Sena, BJD., Janata Dal (U), Shiromani Akali Dal, TDP,
    AITC, AGP, National Conference, Indian Federal Democratic Party,
    Mizoram National Front, Nagaland People¶s Front, Nati0nal Loktantrik Party
    and Bharatiya NavShakti Party. Out of them, 8 parties gave their consent
    supporting the formation of Telangana State. They were: BJP, TDP
    Shiromani Akali Dal, JD (U), Indian National Democratic Party, Mizoram
    National Front, Nagaland People¶s Front and Bharatiya Navshakti Party.
    Further, Shiv Sena, BJD, AGP, National Conference, besides 3
    independents, orally promised to support the proposal.

    All the five former Prime Ministers responded favourably on this score.
    While V.P. Singh (now late) and I.K. Gujral wrote in their personal capacity,
    H .D. Deve Gouda and Chandra Shekhar (now late) wrote on behalf of the
    parties they represented. Atal Bihari Vajpayee was in any case a party to
    the BJP¶s commitment.
    In addition, two more parties, having representation only in the Rajya
    Sabha, also extended their support. They were: Swatantra Bharat Paksha
    and Republican Party of India (G).

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  22. @Green Star
    [instead of blackmailing the govt. with mass resignations. chicken ...]

    I guess a few clarifications are in order.

    1. I am not a telugu-speaking person so the above sentence addressed to me makes no sense.

    2. I am a hindi-speaking Hyderabadi with roots of over 200 years at least.

    3. I am reflecting on the issues here and that's all.

    4. I (or us Khayasts) have identified ourself with the erstwhile Hyderabad state and felt sad when it was divided and since then we identify only with the city of Hyderabad.

    5. We find it amusing that we are not taken into account while the fate of Hyderabad is being discussed by someone in Anantpur and someone in Warangal while both of them are not Hyderabadis.

    6. That's why we favor the fourth option and are fighting (with whatever might we have) for a UT status.

    7. We presented the same case to SKC and are very happy to see the fourth option in print.

    Hope that clarifies. Anyway we are well aware that our role is minuscule in the larger context but we have our strengths that we can leverage to make our dream happen.

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  23. @Sera,

    And there in the cabinet we have mamta, sharad pawar, karunaninidhi's AIADMK."


    Karunanidhi heads the DMK,not AIADMK....;-)

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  24. [Hope that clarifies. Anyway we are well aware that our role is minuscule in the larger context but we have our strengths that we can leverage to make our dream happen. ]

    Good luck, right now we are kinda busy, as soon as we are done with Telangana formation, I will work with you to fulfill your dream.

    Halarious ....

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  25. Lavanya said

    Karunanidhi heads the DMK,not AIADMK....;-)

    I stand corrected. Stands perhaps as a shining example of my IQ which Sujai feels is 50 points lower. ;-)

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  26. >>I am a hindi-speaking Hyderabadi with roots of over 200 years at least.

    ఇల్లు కాలి ఒకడు ఏడుస్తుంటే చుట్టకు నిప్పు అడిగాడంట వేనుకటికేవడో, తెలంగాణా వద్దురా బాబు అని, అంటుంటే ఎవరు ఎలాగయినా పొండి మాకు మాత్రం హైదరాబాదు కావాలని అడిగాడంట నీలాంటోడు ...రామాయణంలో పిడకల వేటల ఉంది నీ వ్యవహారం

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  27. Humor time....

    Halarious movie titles..

    I liked the Kiran, Babu, KCRs titles.

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  28. @Green Star
    [Good luck, right now we are kinda busy, as soon as we are done with Telangana formation, I will work with you to fulfill your dream.

    Halarious ....]


    You may find it hilarious. That's ok. We were happy to see the fourth option in print. And we also found it hilarious when we found guys squirming in their seats once that option came up (specially when Chidambaram said that it was of the three that was practical).

    We know that no one talks of that option because that's a fallback option if both parties can't accept the fifth and sixth. The seema-andhra guys don't talk about it because they want to push sixth option and will settle on some form of fourth. The TGites will fight for fifth but the only "negotiable card" again is some form of fourth. And we know that MIM wants the fourth - in fact we know that members of it were thrilled.

    And also looks like some guys in Nalgonda and Mehboobnagar (for example PoK on this site/blog too) want the fourth option.

    So your hilariousness may turn into someone else's hilariousness too.

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  29. sera:

    2. I am a hindi-speaking Hyderabadi with roots of over 200 years at least.

    You should decide whether you have roots of ‘over 400 years’ or ‘over 200 years’. You seem to use this number arbitrarily. That’s because many families who lived that long here have identified with the local Telangana people and the region. Most of them join the fight for separate Telangana. In fact, many Seemandhras who have migrated to Telangana 30-40 years ago, and have made Telangana their home, are in support of separate Telangana.

    But you do not. That makes us doubt your claims. We tend to believe that you are a recent migrant posing as one with long roots. Many Seemandhras have posed as Telanganas and made representation to Srikrishna Committee. The Tughlaqs did not know who is who and took their claims as real. Hopefully we will find out who made what representation to the committee and it will reveal the ugly face of these posers.

    4. I (or us Khayasts) have identified ourself with the erstwhile Hyderabad state and felt sad when it was divided and since then we identify only with the city of Hyderabad.

    You did not protest when erstwhile Hyderabad state was broken up, where Marathwada districts opted to join Bombay State, while Karnatak districts opted to join Karnataka region. You did not make any protests when Telangana people including many non-Telugu families living in Telangana wanted to remain a separate state and not join Andhra State. You did not clamor for a separate union territory status for Hyderabad back then. Now, you are being opportunistic and want to cash in on the turmoil in the state to make a case for your own selfish interests, not very different from princes and rajahs who did not want to join Indian Union so that they can preserve their estates.

    5. We find it amusing that we are not taken into account while the fate of Hyderabad is being discussed by someone in Anantpur and someone in Warangal while both of them are not Hyderabadis.

    You are not being taken into account the way so many rajahs and princes were not taken into account while making India. That’s because the interests of these few miniscule families were selfish and elitist and NOT in tune with the will of the masses and the people. You don’t identify with Seemandhras or Telanganas though you have lived with them for so long – you said this yourself on this forum. You look down upon both of them. And don’t want to live either of them though you lived with them all these years. And you have no qualms taking their lands to carve out a union territory status for yourself. Not very different from how the princes wanted to preserve their estates.

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  30. [We were happy to see the fourth option in print.]

    Other than the last option 'merging the HYD into Pakistan', SKC gave all other options, there is nothing to feel happy about it. Any way I am happy that you feel happy. heeeaaa

    What a comedy show to begin my Saturday ...

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  31. [The Tughlaqs did not know ]

    Sorry Sujai, they are not TUghlaqs, they are Sri Krishnas, infact you can compare Tughlaqs with our SKC members.

    Halarious ....

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  32. @Sujai

    1. 200 years or 400 years does not matter. I thought 400 years and now am sure that we can pull a lineage tree upto 200 years in Hyderabad - 10 generations (actually maybe that makes it 300 - more reason for you to doubt I guess). ;-)

    Anyway how many TGites can claim that much? Including KCR, Jayshankar, Vijayshanthi and maybe even you Sujai. Hopeless argument. With an IQ of 50 points above the national average you should do better. How many of you can claim a documented lineage of 10 generations? Crappy line of argument this.

    2. On your second thing we did protest when the erstwhile Hyderabad state was split and if you didn't hear it then I can only blame the historians like you do. They (and maybe you too) covered up history.

    3. You got us wrong there. We identify with both Telanganas and seema-andhras and even marathis and kannadigas and hindis and we have relatives all over the place.

    What we dont't identify with is this mess and fight and this campaign of hatred. We want to opt-out or opt-in but your fight puts us nowhere. What's the choice? Like Bush said you say "You are with us or against us". We are neither. And to be neither the only solution is UT.

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  33. sera:

    Anyway how many TGites can claim that much? Including KCR, Jayshankar, Vijayshanthi and maybe even you Sujai. Hopeless argument. With an IQ of 50 points above the national average you should do better. How many of you can claim a documented lineage of 10 generations? Crappy line of argument this.

    Lineage is not a good argument. Nizam and his family can claim a lineage longer than yours, but that does not mean he truly represented the voice of the people of this region or his capital city. He wanted to make Hyderabad State an independent nation, not join Indian Union, and at certain points even entertained thoughts of joining Pakistan allowing Razakars to create havoc.

    At the time of India’s Independence, many princes and rajahs in India claimed a lineage much longer than yours to their cities and kingdoms and yet they did not represent their people. Gandhi, Nehru and Patel may not be from Delhi, but their voice was much better representative of India and its people, than those miniscule families living in Delhi who wanted to part of Great Britain or with Pakistan. They were much better representatives of the will of the people than King of Junagadh, Nizam of Hyderabad, or many other princes who had longer lineage in their own lands than these populist leaders of India’s freedom struggle.

    Please do not insult the people of this nation saying it has a national average IQ as yours ;-)

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  34. Sujai Said;
    Lineage is not a good argument. Nizam and his family can claim a lineage longer than yours, but that does not mean he truly represented the voice of the people of this region or his capital city. He wanted to make Hyderabad State an independent nation, not join Indian Union, and at certain points even entertained thoughts of joining Pakistan allowing Razakars to create havoc.

    At the time of India’s Independence, many princes and rajahs in India claimed a lineage much longer than yours to their cities and kingdoms and yet they did not represent their people. Gandhi, Nehru and Patel may not be from Delhi, but their voice was much better representative of India and its people, than those miniscule families living in Delhi who wanted to part of Great Britain or with Pakistan. They were much better representatives of the will of the people than King of Junagadh, Nizam of Hyderabad, or many other princes who had longer lineage in their own lands than these populist leaders of India’s freedom struggle.

    Please do not insult the people of this nation saying it has a national average IQ as yours ;-)


    So how do the seema-andhras not figure in your picture of lineage of the Satavhanas, Vijayanagara empire, Kakatiyas etc including the "ceded" status of your Rayalseema brothers or even tax paying andhras?

    Should we take the line that learned Sujai or Jayshankar draw?

    Why the fight at all on an identity basis then? On a development basis is different which anyway the SKC debunked. You may not believe it but there are people who believe that the world is flat. So be it.

    And Sujai stop insulting the IQ of people who believe that the world is round ;-)

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  35. The problem Sujai I/we find is that you guys are diabolical and speak in two tongues and on the top of it are intolerant and like celebrate violence.

    I will hasten to add on the last thing of violence that Sujai you are not the kind I found. But still. . .

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  36. sera:

    Today, you say:

    3. You got us wrong there. We identify with both Telanganas and seema-andhras and even marathis and kannadigas and hindis and we have relatives all over the place.

    Just a cursory search on this blog reveals what you said on this blog before this:

    And what stops us - Khayasts - from wanting a separate Hyderabad which anyway has no relation culturally to Andhra or Rayalseema or Telangana.

    What happens to us - the real Hyderabadis - 400 years old. None of you telangana guys or seemandhra guys are hyderabadis… Hyderabad has no relation to telangana and seema-andhra be it in terms of culture, cuisine, ethnicity, history, music, arts or anything else.

    The telangana guys and the seema-andhra guys share a language, culture and ethnicity. While we Hyderabadis share nothing with them

    They - the telanaganites and seema-andhra guys - have nothing to do with Hyderabadis except exploiting them in terms of taxes.

    We can't imagine a life with telanganites who will exploit us and we are afraid of their violence and maoism. They will stamp down our religion and daily life.

    We dont trust you telanganites.

    He simply cant understand that Hyderbadi is different from telanaganitism or seemaandhraism.

    You telanganaites have a logic that can be scary. Do you want to do a holocaust and cut necks or what?

    6. Now suddenly we hear of a new identity called “telangana” which to our knowledge does not exist and at best is a creation.

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  37. Sera,

    You should stop thinking too much.All your double talk is just damaging your brand value.....

    You never own up to your own statements,either good or bad...do you???

    Stop hiding behind generalisations,to validate your arguments...


    Stop jumps arguments,when it suits him,and dodges the questions that expose his double standards.....

    We the rest of the world,We the real Hyderabadis,We the great learned Khayasths....

    Shrewdness only takes you so far,Sera...


    Get rest,and get well soon.

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  38. @ Sujai

    He he. That was targeted at your inane articles that sounded as if you guys in warangal or adilabad built Hyderabad an not taking into account the six districts of present Maharashtra or Karnataka or the moneys derived from Rayalseema and Andhra.

    You want to write articles by distorting facts "and make it seem as if" that only the present 10 districts of telangana built Hyderabad which is AN ABSOLUTE LIE.

    And you expect people to remain calm.

    You get replies for that because of the way you distort facts. Not anything else. Now you want to crawl back and talk sense. Not acceptable.

    What happens to all the six districts of the erstwhile Hyderabad and the taxes and ceded money collected from the other guys and including our money which we sold in delhi and up north and invested here hundreds of years ago.

    You are the stealers, cheaters who want to take other peoples money through a cunning plan. I have heard guys (and from TRS and even sadly JAC - one of many) who say that Mulki rules should be back-dated by 400 years and everyone should be kicked out. Give me an answer to that. They want to take our properties that Nizam gave us. Any sense?

    Looks like you guys want something like Kashmir.

    And you expect us to be quite and not write like that. Funny. ;-) ;-) ;-)

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  39. sera:

    if you guys in warangal or adilabad built Hyderabad an not taking into account the six districts of present Maharashtra or Karnataka or the moneys derived from Rayalseema and Andhra.

    I never make such claim. You are hallucinating.

    In some of the articles on this blog, I make it clear that just because you invested in a city or because you believe you built a city does not mean you can claim that city. Just because you pay taxes does not make a case either. .

    You are the stealers, cheaters who want to take other peoples money through a cunning plan. I have heard guys (and from TRS and even sadly JAC - one of many) who say that Mulki rules should be back-dated by 400 years and everyone should be kicked out. Give me an answer to that.

    Mulki rules dated back by 400 years?
    You must be high on drugs. No TRS/JAC/Telangana activist ever said anything like that. You are making up things now.

    They want to take our properties that Nizam gave us. Any sense?

    Is this all about your ‘estates’ and ‘jagirs’? No wonder you act like the princes and rajahs who wanted to go against the wishes of the people and make their kingdoms independent countries. Now, you are revealing you true intentions.

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  40. sera:
    I deleted one of your recent comments where you called names to one of the commenters.

    This is a warning. If you continue doing this. I will be deleting all your comments.

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  41. The telangana guys and the seema-andhra guys share a language, culture and ethnicity. While we Hyderabadis share nothing with them

    And yes I stand by what I said. We dont want to get in between you guys and you guys asking us "are you with us or against us". What nonsense is that. You cant live peacefully and you want us to take sides. Bullshit. Why should we? Dont we have our own character or our being?

    Or do you want to deprive us of that?

    Thats what we found. In our discussions we found that the SA guys were very sympathetic to our argument while the TG guys where belligerent.

    We did repeated discussions and then we chose our own path. That's all.

    Unfair? Go cry somewhere else. The option four is our achievement the way we see it. And even MIM loves it though they didnt present it. And I am in touch with some of those guys and even some guys from mehboobnagar and nalgonda who love it.

    But we are no idiots. We know that leaving MIM all of the other guys are like "we like it" guys.

    We want to strengthen that. Let's see/. Only time will say.

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  42. sera:

    Sometime back you wrote:

    And sujai there is no example of a state formed with its capital in that region. For all the history you quote I wanted to put that in perspective which changes the equation considerably.

    You should read 'Telangana 73' on this blog.

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  43. @ Sujai

    I didnt like call more names to her highness than she called me. Anyway sorry for that was included within that comment itself.

    Anyway thanks for that because degeneration of the discussion is not called for. But the word I used was definitely not profane. I have found worser words used here even by guys you admitted (by which I mean you answered to).

    Anyway SORRY if it hurt someone but hopefully the other party will also elevate itself.

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  44. @Sera,

    I was busy doing other things than cooking up stories like this one....

    May be next you are going to tell us that you actually bought Hyderabad,from the Nizam and allowed us to stay here since your community needed some company...

    The fact is...people like you'll were brought in as tutors to teach the locals certain skills,they might not have possessed...

    I don't see why he would do that,if he was not getting fat from their monies already....

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  45. Sujai said

    sera:

    Sometime back you wrote:

    And sujai there is no example of a state formed with its capital in that region. For all the history you quote I wanted to put that in perspective which changes the equation considerably.

    You should read 'Telangana 73' on this blog.


    For which I replied and it is already on that 'Telangana 73' itself which I read (and Sujai thiks I didnt read)

    1. Gujarati and Marathi are two different languages.

    2. Gujarat and Maharashtra did not merge with an agreement by their respective assemblies.

    3. The Bombay presidency did not have a representative democracy which is there today since independence so everyone has their representatives.

    4. Gujaratis are in a minority vis-a-vis Maharashtrians.

    5. Gujaratis wanted a separate state and therefore the things rolled out the way it rolled out.

    6. Ambedkar also wanted Hyderabad to be a second capital for India.

    7. AP has a United AP campaign which is very different compared to the separate Gujarat and Maharashtra movements.

    History does not get reinstated. It moves ahead and forms a new one. That's why the Option 4 is what is right with an eventual statehood.

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  46. Madam Lavanya

    Looks like you are saying we live at the MERCY of you.

    History tells you that when the first conquerors came to Hyderabad they did not come like all PAUPERS and built the capital straight away from local taxes. That is not the way it happens anywhere madam.

    They brought money along with them MADAM and that was not local money. Its like Venture Capital if you will, WILL. And that money madam came from up-north.

    Hope I am clear.

    After which they earned from the TGites, the six districts which are not TGites and the rayalseema guys and the andhra guys.

    That's all madam Lavanya I am saying.

    hope I am clear.

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  47. We are minuscule no doubt.

    But we know that the legitimacy and moral standing of arguments on the city of Hyderabad comes from only two sources (plus others of course BUT we are the trump card game changers AND WE KNOW IT which we didnt know for example in 1969 when some of our guys got sacrificed like goats) - people like us and the muslims (call them MIM or not, your choice).

    That is what SKC had asked us also in the talks - where do you stand?

    And we said clearly - We stand in between? And the solution should be out-of-between or keep-it-as-it-is.

    In 1969 many of my family fought and Chenna Reddy sold us. You think it is funny?

    Looking back anyway we shouldnt have supported Chenna Reddy is what we realised. You think this KaChaRa is any different?

    Throw up some other leader. We may be willing to listen. But this campaign of hatred is nauseating. We dont want to be a part of a puking party.

    Anyway history teaches us all.

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  48. Your Royal Highness Sera,

    No capitalist will EVER develop a place which has nothing to return for their investments...


    May be YOUR history and logic tells you that you people have brought in all the venture capitals and constructed the city of Hyderabad 200 years ago,but my history AND logic tells me that no 200 year old settler can ever invest in a city that is more than 400 years old...

    I hope I am clear...

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  49. Madam Lavanya.

    I started the discussions saying that I am 400 years old but I said I corrected myself after realising that I have a 10 generations history (which works to atleast 200 years and at reasonable to 300 years).

    The question madam is can someone like KCR, Vijayshanti, Jayshankar or even you and Sujai produce proof that you belong here.

    Why should not someone think that you were migrants. Can you prove it. Or will you just scream and rant and say that is not required and WHO ARE YOU TO ASK ME kinds.

    ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

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  50. You think Madam Lavanya that attacking us is fun.

    You should attack your own leaders. Think like somebody like me and you will realize.

    1. The TG MPs go fall at feet and cry.

    2. KCR the KaChaRa says he will wash Sonia's feet with milk.

    3. The TG guys ask for appointment many times and get rejected.

    4. The SA guys never ask for an appointment with the High Command till they call them.

    5. Once the SA guys get an appointment they WARN and Ahmed Patel shakes and shivers along with Pranab.

    What do you expect us guys to do and think? You think we are like idiots or ignorant or stupid or like having an IQ below 50 that Sujai keeps saying.

    What should we do?

    And then my PS tells me that even in Raj TV government ads are coming of that RACHiANBBANDAA. What should we take is real?

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  51. @Your Highness Sera,

    Every community that has settled in Hyderabad(including yours and mine)came in to settle in a developing or developed city...

    If I dig further,I belong to a family of builders(that must have settled before yours to build the city ;););)),but unlike some communities that have stuck themselves only with the economic aspects of the city without any cultural or social associations,our community has adopted and adapted to the culture which we proudly follow today.....


    Hope that ends the lineage issue...

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  52. personal potshots apart....

    The issue of being able to present ones case with dignity is not a Congress forte...

    Even Jagan was made to wait endlessly to get a dialogue with Madam Sonia..

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  53. Lavanya Madam said

    @Your Highness Sera,

    Every community that has settled in Hyderabad(including yours and mine)came in to settle in a developing or developed city...

    If I dig further,I belong to a family of builders(that must have settled before yours to build the city ;););)),but unlike some communities that have stuck themselves only with the economic aspects of the city without any cultural or social associations,our community has adopted and adapted to the culture which we proudly follow today.....


    Hope that ends the lineage issue...


    No Madam Lavanya you should talk to the BIDRI worker who came here from generations back whose descendent's I am still in touch with. It does not work that like that. Give proof that you belong to this city for 200 or 300 years which I can give. No maybe's. Give proof. Property documets and all along with Nizam stamped/signed/inked documents. Do you have it? Does Sujai have it? You all have no place in Hyderabad at all, THE WAY THIS ARGUMENT GOES. But is this argument correct? Different argument?

    Madam Lavanya. Otherwise ask no proof of others. Thats the other way. Dont be diabolical.

    Life goes on. We are not a continuous history and we need to accept that. If some of us will not accept that then this strife is inevitable.

    Your family digging MADAM LAVANYA is different from mine. You came into a develoPING city. We came to a city that had to be DEVELOPED.

    Hope you know the difference.

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  54. Stop hyper ventilating Sera...You are only losing your calm and ain't gaining a point with extremes...

    The issue of tabling the T bill is only a matter of time....

    You must understand that the Congress has made a lot of scapegoats of even leaders who support them during tough times(PVN,PC,Sharad Pawar)...

    They only drag issues,since their election money comes from SA....

    Once an arrangement is reached regarding that,it is going to sing a new song....

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  55. Part rubbish,part truth....

    Stop being naive Sera,the bidri worker,the Asa Jahis or Paigah's do not call shots in the assembly or Parliament...

    It is the new age power brokers that do....

    I am just getting tired explaining this...
    Or maybe we could just continue the debate when you are blessed with a bit more patience and logic...

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  56. Stop hyper ventilating Sera...You are only losing your calm and ain't gaining a point with extremes...

    The issue of tabling the T bill is only a matter of time....

    You must understand that the Congress has made a lot of scapegoats of even leaders who support them during tough times(PVN,PC,Sharad Pawar)...

    They only drag issues,since their election money comes from SA....

    Once an arrangement is reached regarding that,it is going to sing a new song....


    Madam Lavanya,

    You dont realise that Sharad Pawar, Mamta and all of these guys were opposed to TG from the beginning. They agreed because CONG told them that it will get solved at a state level which was the 9th DEC announcement.

    If the state agrees what problem should they have? They can tell the same thing to their respective states is what they thought. Pass a state assembly unanimity and then we will give vidharbha, gorkha land, south TN etc

    But Now it has become a major problem.

    None of them will even be want to be touched by a barge pole.

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  57. @Madam Lavanya says

    It is the new age power brokers that do....

    I am just getting tired explaining this...
    Or maybe we could just continue the debate when you are blessed with a bit more patience and logic..


    He he.

    Actually I got tired explaining to Madam Lavanya that all those old stories dont matter.

    Dont give us all logics and stories and go on and on.

    I know it is the new age power brokers. I know it is the new age power brokers. I know it is the new age power brokers.

    Does it matter that I repeat it thrice?

    Madam lavanya garu. Tell us what to do. Please speak to Chidambaram and Danam and Harsh Kumar and Sukhinder reddy and KCR and Vijayshanti and Nayani and PLEASE GIVE US A SOLUTIION.

    MADAM Lavanya

    We are looking forward to your solution.

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  58. But we know that the legitimacy and moral standing of arguments on the city of Hyderabad comes from only two sources… people like us and the muslims (call them MIM or not, your choice).

    That’s a discredited argument as clearly proved in case of Bombay. If tomorrow Kayasthas like you, wherever you came from think that this city should belong to the state where you came from, it does not make a case. If MIM says they want this city to go Pakistan, Hyderabad will not be given to Pakistan.

    Throw up some other leader. We may be willing to listen. But this campaign of hatred is nauseating. We dont want to be a part of a puking party.

    You have an option to migrate and thereby not be part of this ‘puking party’. If you read history, some princes, rajahs and other middlemen (like your ilk) who got benefited by the British regime, chose to migrate to other countries.

    Anyway history teaches us all.

    Good that you are now relying in history. History clearly makes the case for Hyderabad to be part of Telangana, no matter what the investors, ruler clan, pimp clan, bureaucrats, jagirdars think, the way Bombay became part of Maharashtra and not Gujarat, the way Delhi became part of India and not Britain.

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  59. They brought money along with them MADAM and that was not local money. Its like Venture Capital if you will, WILL. And that money madam came from up-north.

    Cities and regions are not run like companies. There are no investors or shareholders for cities, regions and countries. No matter how much Chinese invest in Bangalore, no portion of Bangalore will ever belong to Chinese or China. No matter how much you or your ancestors invested in Hyderabad, it will never belong to you, your clan or your ilk. It will always and forever remain a part of this region.

    In history, we always had to put with such ridiculous argument put forwarded by pimps, middlemen, rajahs, princes, jagirdars, investors, etc. In the end, rationality prevailed and cities remained with the region and its people. Experiment of running Bombay as a Union Territory stands failed. Srikrishna Committee members, like you, are poor in history. It is unfortunate that this country pushes such people into lofty positions. But then we have had Raja and Ramalinga Raju who were also elevated to such positions. It is just a matter of time when some of the members of Srikrishna Committee will be facing raids by CBI.

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  60. @ Sujai

    1. The problem here is unlike Bombay the TG guys did not build the city and have no moral claim on to it as much as the other six districts of ertswhile Hyderabad and the ceded Rayalseema or the tax paying Andhra guys.

    And like if MIM says that it should belong to... kind of argument, , , it does not belong to telanganas.

    2. You also Sujai have an option to migrate elsewhere. Even your entire telanganas can migrate elsewhere and that is not unheard of in history where an entire region migrates.

    You migrate. No problem.

    3. And third. History teaches us nothing like what you say. You are like people who want to enjoy fruits for doing nothing is what history teaches us. And history has told us enough of how to deal with such people.

    Your dishonesty and greed and colonialism and blood-suckingness is evident for us now. BEWARE.

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  61. 1. Gujarati and Marathi are two different languages.
    2. Gujarat and Maharashtra did not merge with an agreement by their respective assemblies.
    3. The Bombay presidency did not have a representative democracy which is there today since independence so everyone has their representatives.
    4. Gujaratis are in a minority vis-a-vis Maharashtrians.
    5. Gujaratis wanted a separate state and therefore the things rolled out the way it rolled out.
    6. Ambedkar also wanted Hyderabad to be a second capital for India.
    7. AP has a United AP campaign which is very different compared to the separate Gujarat and Maharashtra movements.


    You forgot to add few more points.

    8. Hyderabad has Hussain Sagar and Charminar, Bombay doesn't.
    9. Bombay is at sea level, Hyderabad is on a plateau.
    10. People living in Hyderabad are different from people living in Bombay.
    11. Andhra Pradesh was formed in 1956. Maharashtra was formed in 1960.
    12. Bombay is a port. Hyderabad is not.

    ;-)

    Have fun. You can come up with 100,000 more such differences.

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  62. sera,

    you astonish me with your endurance in debating with two calculators. (Do not mistake for computers) You really deserve Nobel peace prize. I know! I know! Our MMTN is still around.

    Scope of our Nobel pair and thier colorful companion (Raju-Raani-Jaacky) is only from 1910 to 1956. Anything outside this period is irrelavent for them.
    Moreover only Andhras are villians for them. So it is not really important what you are.

    These calculators with infinite IQ are missing common sense very badly. 22 days after SKC congress could not take a decision.
    It is very unlikely that Mr. Intellectual arrogant can try throwing a surprise once again.
    Any news about bill in parliament is like a little oxygen for dying movement.
    The only first signs of a negotiation has come from MP Harsha kumar. Of course it is not acceptable to T-vaadis.
    Things will start moving only after one MP each from Seema and Kosta approach with a new scheme.
    Until then allow the tro use Intellectual Master.. to cover their frustration.

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  63. 1. Gujarati and Marathi are two different languages.
    2. Gujarat and Maharashtra did not merge with an agreement by their respective assemblies.
    3. The Bombay presidency did not have a representative democracy which is there today since independence so everyone has their representatives.
    4. Gujaratis are in a minority vis-a-vis Maharashtrians.
    5. Gujaratis wanted a separate state and therefore the things rolled out the way it rolled out.
    6. Ambedkar also wanted Hyderabad to be a second capital for India.
    7. AP has a United AP campaign which is very different compared to the separate Gujarat and Maharashtra movements.

    You forgot to add few more points.

    8. Hyderabad has Hussain Sagar and Charminar, Bombay doesn't.
    9. Bombay is at sea level, Hyderabad is on a plateau.
    10. People living in Hyderabad are different from people living in Bombay.
    11. Andhra Pradesh was formed in 1956. Maharashtra was formed in 1960.
    12. Bombay is a port. Hyderabad is not.

    ;-)

    Have fun. You can come up with 100,000 more such differences.


    You see how much fun this is from a guy who thinks that he has a better IQ than anyone speaking to him. And he cant answer a simple question which I asked many times as to why BJP (whch Sujai supports) works with Shiv Sena which is so divisive and anti state-split.

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  64. missing
    missing
    missing

    Hi all,
    our aditya is missing eversince SKC report came out.

    I pray he is still in Hyderabad and not yet confined to Charlapalli.

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  65. sera,

    you astonish me with your endurance in debating with two calculators. (Do not mistake for computers) You really deserve Nobel peace prize. I know! I know! Our MMTN is still around.

    Scope of our Nobel pair and thier colorful companion (Raju-Raani-Jaacky) is only from 1910 to 1956. Anything outside this period is irrelavent for them.
    Moreover only Andhras are villians for them. So it is not really important what you are.

    These calculators with infinite IQ are missing common sense very badly. 22 days after SKC congress could not take a decision.
    It is very unlikely that Mr. Intellectual arrogant can try throwing a surprise once again.
    Any news about bill in parliament is like a little oxygen for dying movement.
    The only first signs of a negotiation has come from MP Harsha kumar. Of course it is not acceptable to T-vaadis.
    Things will start moving only after one MP each from Seema and Kosta approach with a new scheme.
    Until then allow the tro use Intellectual Master.. to cover their frustration.


    From whatever what Anonymous wrote I think we should concentrate on making juices and eating and allowing Sujai to have a massage and a steam bath and get rejuvenated. He should also meet KCR and KTR and elevate their IQs which is anyway Sujais agenda.

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  66. He he.

    Sujai fellow asks me about 400 or 200 years old. But if I ask him whether he has a green card or is he a US citizen he BALKS.

    Say.

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  67. The Telangana issue is much more than an opinion or a concern today...
    It is a larger than life issue,for, the the citizen of the nation has decided to take up the issue,unlike the political,religious or pressure groups that India had witnessed so far...

    The politicians,the media,the detractors and the critics have failed to slot,categorize or brand the movement,because every time they tried doing that,the fires have risen higher and brighter.....

    They fail to understand a Telangana citizen's emancipation and eagerly look forward to derogate it with any caustic or humiliating remarks that they can throw at them...


    Madam,

    honestly I am flat for this.
    You remind me Super Star alias Bendu Apparo alias Krishna
    "seetaramaraju oka vyakti kaadu samooha sakti... Okka ramaraju maraniste velakoladi ramarajulu putadaaru".

    Definitely you will be the script and dialouge writer for next production of KCR and Shankar for Hollywood.

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  68. @Sera,

    Don't you argue like an illogical and stubborn adolescent,Mr.Mathur...

    According to several people of the older generation the book-keeping and administrative services were the Kayasths forte and NOT business.....

    Accountancy is NOT a business by itself....


    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010224/windows/slice.htm


    Now go ahead and rant that you have built the city with your hands...

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  69. @Anonymous,

    How about getting an i.d,before throwing your pincer shots at others????

    Is it too much to ask,or are you creatively challenged as well???!!!

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  70. @ Lavanya

    Madam Lavanya

    may I know what your profession or professions you had.

    Were you robotic scientists or genetic researchers?

    Give me a break.

    In fact you had nothing worth calling a business. . .

    May I know madam what BUSINESS are you talking of??????????????????

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  71. @Sera,

    As long as you refuse to come down from your high horse of the earliest settler must get to decide,you are not reaching any consensus....

    Even by accountancy standards,how do you miss the point that the maximum amount of taxes are paid by the people of the region and not the accountants appointed to cooking err...keeping books

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  72. @Sera,

    Don't worry Mr.Mathur I am not an Accountant....

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  73. The only solution that you seek of Hyd for UT,isn't coming any soon.....

    The issue has cut across all boundaries of caste,religion, profession and other social differences and has united the Telanganite like never before....

    Maybe you could tell some stories to our future generations as well...

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  74. @ Sera

    A genius like Sujai doesnt realize that UPA cannot pass the TG bill based on BJP support. First of all UPA partners will quit at cabinet resolution to president stage.22 SA cong MPs will quit at parliament bill stage.

    But our Sujai expects that UPA will run with the support of BJP after that event till 2014.

    Of course low iq people like us cannot see this fact.

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  75. @ Sujai

    TG cannot become a Jharkand. Jharkand has rich mineral wealth which if harnessed properly can lead to prosperity. While TG has only some low quality coal deposits. Its only resource is Hyd city where majority of wealth is being created by non Tg ppl. They will soon move out if TG agitation continues for long.

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  76. @ Wiki

    You guys dont want to believe figures given by AP govt but you want to believe the words of AP IT secretary.

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  77. Sujai

    You quoted a report that says TG will be backward heavy with 89% of population being sc/st/obc/minority.

    so will there be 89% reservation for sc/st/obc/minority in educational institutes and colleges. Why dont you apply proportionate representation here.

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  78. @ Sujai

    "You have an option to migrate and thereby not be part of this ‘puking party’. If you read history, some princes, rajahs and other middlemen (like your ilk) who got benefited by the British regime, chose to migrate to other countries."

    Yes ,we know you draw inspiration from the terrorists in Kashmir who made the kashmiri pandits "migrate". But thankfully this time GOI is actually showing courage in facing mobocracy.

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  79. " I make it clear that just because you invested in a city or because you believe you built a city does not mean you can claim that city. Just because you pay taxes does not make a case either. . "

    It is your belief.It is not a constitutional requirement that a city must belong to the districts bordering it.

    Central govt will be the ultimate authority to decide which city will go where.

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  80. "Even if all the 21 Seemandhra MPs belonging to INC vote negatively against the bill, Telangana Bill would still go through because it would receive a support of 324 MPs,"
    Hey you should hone your knowledge at the working of Indian polity.
    I cannot laugh at your 'genius' observations. The moment the Seemandhra MPs vote negatively against the bill,the Govt is finished.Also if Mamata ,Pawar and DMK oppose,it cannot be tabled in the Parliament,since Cabinet has to approve it unanimously. No bill will be piloted without the ruling party when it knows that it can't win by itself,even if the opposition supports it.The ruling party can't depend on the opposition.What is the fate of Women's Bill? It is supported by over 2/3rds of MPs,why did it fail.
    I strongly advise you to go over the minutes of Parliament when the Reogranisation Bills of Uttar Pradesh,Bihar were debated. The Akali Dal members had some objection over the fate of Sikhs in Uttarakhand in 1998 and the bill was shelved,the process again had to be started from scratch.

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  81. @Sera:
    Do you know the history of the City??
    Yes Hyderabad's history is of 400 years but what about Golconda then?

    And my God you are obsessed about your 'Capital' and someone like you who has scant regards for others rights can only talk like that..

    So Hyderabad according to you is a venture in which your ancestors have placed their seed money 300/400 years ago and now you are worried about it? Is that everything that Hyderabad means to you?

    Environments which are in flux always tend to scare people because they do not know what lies ahead and tries to make people do funny things. Now tel me what exactly are you so scared about?

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  82. " Many Seemandhras have posed as Telanganas and made representation to Srikrishna Committee. The Tughlaqs did not know who is who and took their claims as real. "
    Many Telanganas especially from Warangal,Khamman and Medak who clamour for Telangana posed as Seemandhras and made representation requesting them not to give Telangana.Maybe in your research you'll uncover it.
    They fear guys like you and Kachara to come out to the forefront and support Samaikyandhra. But they submitted their reports and voice their concerns to the Committee. This eluded daydreamers like you who were busy patting their back for having submitted some trashy representations.

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  83. Nameless:
    Thanks for taking some time to write down your analysis here :)

    Yes we are living in a global economic order.. All the cities in the world belong to everyone. Lets make a claim for Shanghai via Video Conferencing from Hyderabad.

    Other statements have been debated earlier please see those posts and come back.

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  84. " Experiment of running Bombay as a Union Territory stands failed. Srikrishna Committee members, like you, are poor in history."
    With the genius you are you can conduct nation wide history workshops for Judges,Govt officials,bureaucrats,Civil service aspirants.You can tom tom with your rhetoric.

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  85. This Anonymous Guy/Girl is a Genius

    So 21 MP's can bring down the government at the Centre?? Genius
    And what makes you think Mamta, Pawar are with you?

    Apparently this guys has delusions as well-
    Many Telanganas especially from Warangal,Khamman and Medak who clamour for Telangana posed as Seemandhras and made representation requesting them not to give Telangana.Maybe in your research you'll uncover it.

    Whats the need to pose as a Seemandhra guy that would defeat the whole purpose of representing..
    Only if they pose as a Telangana person his/her representation will be acted upon.. A seemandhra guy is supposed to be against the division.. Right??

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  86. Anonymous
    It has always been the winners history, atlest till last century but unfortunately with information available from all kinds of sources, it has become increasingly difficult to hide/suppress truth..

    So all the lies from the history lessons that i have been thought on DD8 are coming out.. But I must say that you guys have done a very good job of "HISTORY MAKING", literally

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  87. The Great Seemandhra Political Stratergy is very evident here
    (Yes Even they want separation but they also want Telangana's resources as well). This is a know fact because none of them want a Regional Council because they know its not in their best interest.
    Also they know that a separate Andhra is in their best interest
    So what do they do?

    1. Everyone opposes the formation of Telangana Initially

    2. Few of them start favouring the Division of state.

    3.When called for meetings they start negotiating the division very reluctantly, They will discuss about status of Hyderabad,Funds for developing a new Capital, Nationalisation of Irrigation projects etc.

    4. Finally after getting all the concessions they'll grudgingly accept the division to take a moral high ground as they usually do and further their propaganda on how Culturally Superior they are.

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  88. "So 21 MP's can bring down the government at the Centre?? Genius
    And what makes you think Mamta, Pawar are with you?

    Apparently this guys has delusions as well-
    Many Telanganas especially from Warangal,Khamman and Medak who clamour for Telangana posed as Seemandhras and made representation requesting them not to give Telangana.Maybe in your research you'll uncover it.

    Whats the need to pose as a Seemandhra guy that would defeat the whole purpose of representing..
    Only if they pose as a Telangana person his/her representation will be acted upon.. A seemandhra guy is supposed to be against the division.. Right??"

    If 21 MPs can't bring down the govt how many will? If Mamta and Pawar don't support UPA it is the end of the dream.
    I suggest you to file for RTI and find out really what the opinion of the Telangana folks is. Telangana is supported only in the pocket in North Telangana. Nalgonda and Mahaboohnagar overwhelming ,excepting may be some 10 mandals,opposed the birfurcation. Same with scores of Warangal,Medak,Khammam and Nizamabad residents. The problem is that the people are too scared of pseudo
    telangana leaders and fear the repercussions.

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  89. @ Kazoom

    "4. Finally after getting all the concessions they'll grudgingly accept the division to take a moral high ground as they usually do and further their propaganda on how Culturally Superior they are."

    But how can that happen Mr.Kazoom ? Dont you have faith in great telangana agitation in which apparently just born child to old man on death bed is participating ?
    And according to you guys entire country knows what kind of cheats andhras are, so will they allow innocent TG lambs to cheated by cunning andhras.

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  90. OU Tvadis goondaism once again exposed. See this article in TOI.

    "Osmania University (OU) authorities have decided to conduct PG, MCA and LLB examinations for foreign students hit by Telangana agitations on campus. Around 600 such students from Osmania University and its affiliated colleges will be allowed to write the ongoing examinations at a separate centre in Kacheguda.

    The authorities took the decision following a memorandum submitted by a group of foreign students urging the officials to conduct exams separately for them. There are around 600 foreign students pursuing various PG courses in the university, Nizam College and other affiliated colleges.

    Meanwhile, the foreign students feel that they may not be left alone by Telangana activists even if the university makes separate arrangements for them to write their examinations. Their fear stems from the fact that they had been chased away by agitators even after an assurance from the university administration and education minister Damodar Raja Narasimha that they could write their exams undisturbed. The students demanded adequate police protection at exam venues to prevent any attack against them.
    Link :http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/OU-decides-to-hold-separate-exams-for-foreign-students/articleshow/7344590.cms
    contd..

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  91. contd..

    see the goondaism of these so called students. They are chasing away the people who want to write exams. I mean what a crime it is to want to write exams and get their degree.

    Oh no ,everything OU students do is acceptable because in Indian Freedom movement blah blah happened. Bhagat singh threw bombs ,our students are only chasing away other students ,how great we are compared to bhagat singh

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  92. Madam Lavanya ji,

    there is no need for any identity are qualification for this kind of discussions (I cannot call these 'debates').
    In fact it will lower my reputation if world knows I am participating in these low-level discussions. :-)
    Still I have purpose and by now you should have got. No? Then your creativity is challenged.

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  93. I feel very sorry for exponential slide of our MMTN's capabilities.
    If Telangana is just a number game in Parliament UPA could have achieved it on the lines of Nuclear Bill.
    It requires not arithmatic by a calculator but commonsense by humans

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  94. We should watch how th non-cooperation agitation will take off. I guess that is the real litmus test for the agitation.

    If that's successful then I guess it will be impossible to stop the state division. Of course it may still not happen (in terms of contours of the new state) as neatly as Sujai and Lavanya may want. Or it may too!

    But that is when the rubber will meet the road. And we all will know I guess.

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  95. Sera,

    state division imminent. Maybe not immediate but by 2014. But definitely not the way our Nobel pair dream.
    I do not think you need very high IQ to predict outcome of non-cooperation.
    'rachhabandlo rachha' gave enough hints of another 'forced' peoples movement.

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  96. @ Sera

    Non cooperation will not succeed. Forget success it will not even take off. The common man in any region worries about his daily bread and not going to be too much concerned about being divided or united. Thats why they elect politicians to fight these battles for them. The politicians cant come back and say ,you fight for TG state.

    And this is not a freedom movement for the common man to forget everything and jump in.

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  97. @ Sujai

    Look what you wrote on Medha patkar and her opposition to dams in year 2006.

    "Medha Patkar, with all due respects to her will and determination, has directly contributed to poverty, famine, drought and hunger in a population bigger than that of France for the last 20 years with her obstinate obstruction of building Sardar Sarovar Dam on Narmada River. First, she was completely opposed to the dam citing movement of the tribal people. She didn’t want them to be displaced in the first place, reasoning that their lifestyle would be impacted. Here is one rattlebrained lady who thinks that India should not provide water and electricity to its millions so that few thousand tribals can continue to live in wretched poverty practicing their stone-age life style. In all other parts of India, we are doing exactly the opposite- moving such people to civilized world, giving them potty training, stopping child marriages, prohibiting sati (suttee), etc."

    Hope you are applying same views on Polavaram also

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  98. @Name less
    Come on dude.. Both of us know that we want the same thing.. Division of state.. Its only that you want to act as if its happening against your wishes so that you can get the concessions as well and shown Telangana and Hyderabad in bad light that is the reason why you want the agitations to continue.

    How else would industry move from Hyderabad to Vizag/Vijayawada?

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  99. Mr. Anonymous,
    Political Consultant,
    Samaikya Andhra JAC.

    We are layman here but you seem to be very knowledgeable. Can you please enlighten us on the resignation of 21 Mp's will cause the Central Govt to fall? BEcause the last time i heard about UPA had 3222+ seats and what makes you think other allies will not support the bill??
    The BIll might fail but there is no reason to believe that the govt will fail

    Unless of course you are going to do something special.

    I suggest you to file for RTI and find out really what the opinion of the Telangana folks is. Telangana is supported only in the pocket in North Telangana. Nalgonda and Mahaboohnagar overwhelming ,excepting may be some 10 mandals,opposed the birfurcation. Same with scores of Warangal,Medak,Khammam and Nizamabad residents. The problem is that the people are too scared of pseudo
    telangana leaders and fear the repercussions.


    You are an absolute genius.. You talk as if you conducted one special plebiscite among your friends and you just wan to wag..
    People will always have a different opinion on whether the division is required or not.. But you should confidently assume that more that 90-95% of the people favour division

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  100. "Come on dude.. Both of us know that we want the same thing.. Division of state.."

    Yes ,I want division. I already said I cant bear your blackmailing and whining. Also this atmosphere of mistrust is not good for governance in long run. But that does not mean that we give your hard earned assets and rights. Hyd is man made wealth ,it is not a natural resource .Andhras have to be compensated or given a share in Hyd revenue.

    As for strategies ,our strategy pales when compared to your strategy of spreading hatred on andhras in the name of looting,neglect ,under development etc. All these claims were debunked by SKC.

    We dont have to move any industry from Hyd ,if we get a share in the revenue of Hyd. Of coures we will make sure that new industries come to Andhra.

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  101. @ Kazoom

    The strength of UPA is not 322. It is around 265 . Out of which 25 MPs are from seemandhra.

    So 265-25 = 240

    Also in UPA , TMC doesnt want to give TG because it will give impetus to Gorkhaland movt. Similarly NCP doesnt want to give rise to Vidharbha issue.

    So 240-19-9 = 212.

    Of course according to TG logic you can rule india with just 212 seats.

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  102. @ Kazoom

    "The BIll might fail but there is no reason to believe that the govt will fail"

    You look like you know nothing about politics. No govt will introduce a bill when it does not have numbers to support it. It will be a huge embarrassment for them .

    Also ,FYI ,If a finance bill fails then as per constitution ,the govt will have to resign.

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  103. Guys see what Sujai wrote in the context of Arundhati Roy in 2006 :

    "Arundhati Roy is a fake. She thinks all this ‘drama’ of supporting NBA (Narmada Bachao Andolan) will sell more of her books. And our poster boy Amir Khan, who thinks that this is real-life ‘Rang De Basanti’ pitched in to say his ‘two-cent’ worth opinion on the topic. He thinks he needs to emulate Richard Gere and U2 Bono. You know what’s wrong with all these celebrities and pseudo-intellectuals? They are also filthy rich, and are now smoking a pipe, and pondering over the purpose of their life. They suddenly realize they need to be part of a movement or a revolution otherwise their wasted life would have no meaning.

    @ Sujai

    Dont you think the above words apply to you and other so called TG intellectuals ?

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  104. from the same article

    Many people shout- ‘Save Earth!’ They don’t realize that Earth will save itself, no matter what! It has done again and again in the last four billion years. It has induced Ice Ages and long summers many a times in its history to adjust climates, and in the process, losing dinosaurs and 99% of species that ever appeared on this planet, and it will keep on surviving long after mankind vanishes from its face. They should in fact shout- ‘Save Mankind!’ because we may not be able to adjust to the changing climate and have to go bust.

    may be he was still learning how to blog then, he was trying to learn how to spread gyaan to fellow human beings

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  105. @Anonymous,

    An anonymous comment is like a nameless answer script...

    You might just get abused for no fault of yours...AND,it helps...


    "I suggest you to file for RTI and find out really what the opinion of the Telangana folks is."

    What makes you think we haven't filed already!!
    Or may be we should fear for our lives more than the truth....

    And this is not just my opinion...

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/scrap-rti-rules-that-fuel-murders-blackmail-sonialed-panel/740016/0


    And,what makes you think that we are not going to do anything about it,if our suspicions come true...

    "Telangana is supported only in the pocket in North Telangana. Nalgonda and Mahaboohnagar overwhelming ,excepting may be some 10 mandals,opposed the birfurcation.
    Same with scores of Warangal,Medak,Khammam and Nizamabad residents. The problem is that the people are too scared of pseudo
    telangana leaders and fear the repercussions."

    The last I heard,the people of Telangana were requesting,
    cajoling,reprimanding and threatening their leaders to come out in support of T state...

    And that is seen all over the region..and not just in small pockets...

    How can citizens be emancipated and scared at the same time???

    Which one of your argument should we take seriously????

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  106. @Sujai

    Have you read
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/world/africa/22sidi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

    "...frustrated young people are often written off as complacent when faced with stifling bureaucracy and an impenetrable and intimidating security apparatus...."

    Any similarities?

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  107. @Nameless,

    Your SKC report is so full of contradictions my friend,that even a college student would have done a better presentation...

    Just a few excerpts here:

    http://epaper.deccanpost.in/epaperpdf/1412011/1412011-md-hr-8.pdf

    http://epaper.deccanpost.in/epaperpdf/1412011/1412011-md-hr-6.pdf

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  108. @Kaboom,

    People like Sera,pok,Nameless and Anonymous are too naive to think that it is a political decision,based on numbers....

    It is NOT...

    Most of the real investors have already started packing up their bags and are waiting for the Centre to announce a good package....
    Once that is announced all the Seras and namelesses would be left behind..to fend for themselves...

    For all we know the bargaining might have already started in the power corridors....

    It is 2014 as I see when formalities would start taking place in Delhi...

    Once the REAL SriKrishnas of SA come forward with their NOC,the Congress would go out of it's way to convince the people of Telangana ....

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  109. @Nameless,

    Now,who is digressing from the DISCUSSION....

    What has Sujai's opinions about environment and Medha Patkar got to do with the DISCUSSION here???

    Sujai,is a poster boy for you'll isn't he???

    As for your arrogance stooping low to DISCUSS about the issue is concerned,you are so welcome to spare us your gnyaan...

    Thank You.

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  110. @Name less

    Yes ,I want division.
    Then why are you being a bigot supporting a united state??
    Silly me, I forgot that its your nature.

    But that does not mean that we give your hard earned assets and rights.
    If you have made your wealth in a rightful way no one can do anything.. You have legal rights.

    But ofcourse if you have made your wealth in a wrong way by mocking rules and doing business where the rules are fuzzy you'll have trouble. And why not you are doing the illegal thing here

    Hyd is man made wealth ,it is not a natural resource .Andhras have to be compensated or given a share in Hyd revenue.

    Man made wealth built on natural resources of the land, the Golconda Mines, the water that you drink, the land that you live on. If these are not natural resources what are they?

    We dont have to move any industry from Hyd ,if we get a share in the revenue of Hyd. Of coures we will make sure that new industries come to Andhra.

    Ya right and we will take your word for that.
    But what perplexes me is that why would you want Hyderabad when you believe that everything that Hyderabad is today is because of you people from Seemandhra..
    You just have give a call and they will just follow you like Peter Pan's rats.. Develop your own cities.

    And of what use is taking Hyd's resources when you know fully well that it is nothing without you guys..
    This is about ultimate revenge isn't it.. "If not mine then it's nobody" is probably your philosophy. By creating a UT you are limiting Hyd potential for growth by making an artificial boundary. Antagonising and infuriating Telangana people. And Why? Just because a section of the society believes it is detrimental to their interest

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  111. @Nameless,

    you are blog naive, your IQ is low, you do not do your home work properly. Otherwise you will not be digging out past comments of MMTN Sujai.
    Look at KCR, in 1990s he argued to abolish Zonal system. Later he is enlightened by Prof. Jayashankar and started fighting fot Telangana cause. It is same with Sujai.
    He keeps writing with all his high IQ, homework. But direction keeps changing as he gets 'nirvana' the elightenment in different directions. By 2013 he maybe re-enlightened and starts writing for Samainkhyandra.

    In India Sulabh is not free. But internet is a free public toilet. Anyone can spit or ...

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  112. Madam Lavanya,

    you are very much right about investors.
    Let me add one more reality.
    There will be no people movement from otherside. They are fed up with this 'gayyali bharya' making nuisance every other day.

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  113. United Indian:

    Read the post that you sent.

    Others have forwarded me messaged about the revolution in Tunisia. Some suggested that we (Telanganas) should Tunisia as an example. I am not in favor of that. I am OK to use Tunisia as a sign of encouragement that even underdogs can one day overthrow suppression of the mighty, but I am not OK to use the example set by Tunisia. It is extremely important for Telangana to go the path of non-violence (the way it is carried out now) and we should resist all the provocations made by the detractors. The detractors to this movement like to provoke us, so that we lose our cool and become violent. That way, they think the Center will swoop down, kill all the agitators, jail the leadership and thereby allow Seemandhras to continue their hegemony over Telangana treating it as an ‘internal colony’. Many Seemandhra and other settlers in Telangana continue to foment that provocation as seen clearly on this blog. They celebrate each time we are thrown to the ground. They take pride in the fact that we are defeated and crushed. All these are raising the tempers in the region and it is not good for anyone, provokers or the agitators.

    It is a great sign that even after one year of passion and emotion filled movement, there have been no attacks on Seemandhras. Even a small riot over water in Bangalore results in many people getting attacked. We should celebrate this facet of Telangana Movement and retain it as a key strength.

    We have to admit and face the reality that this is going to be a long haul and prepare ourselves for a long battle. Seemandhras are not weak adversary. They have influenced Srikrishna Committee to write lies and false evidence. They have big numbers and funds to influence the center. It is not going to be an easy task. And yet, we should remain calm, focused, determined, and should keep the agitations under control. Fight of Telanganas is not just against Seemandhra or the Center, it is also against masters within. The only way Telangana is going to be a success is if this struggle does not become violent. If it gets prolonged, it should be seen as an opportunity to make more corrections, and not get frustrated.

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  114. @ Kazoom

    Looks like you are new in the game. Read SKC option 4. It suggests that HYD will be made UT and its revenue will be shared between Hyd,TG & Andhra.

    "If you have made your wealth in a rightful way no one can do anything.. You have legal rights."

    I am not talking about private investors wealth in Hyd. I am talking about the tax revenues that get generated in Hyd. Andhra people have a right on that by the virtue of the taxes they paid to the AP govt over last 50 years.

    "Man made wealth built on natural resources of the land, the Golconda Mines, the water that you drink, the land that you live on. If these are not natural resources what are they?"

    You own the air too. LOL. Hyd is a state capital and its wealth belongs to all regions in the state.
    And what mines exist in golcanda?

    "But what perplexes me is that why would you want Hyderabad when you believe that everything that Hyderabad is today is because of you people from Seemandhra..
    You just have give a call and they will just follow you like Peter Pan's rats.. Develop your own cities."

    Just because we have 10 lakhs in our bank deposit ,will we let a thief steal 2 lakhs from our pocket ?

    We will develop our cities.We learnt a good lesson from you guys.


    "Then why are you being a bigot supporting a united state??
    Silly me, I forgot that its your nature."

    I already told you i am for division and support option 4.
    Regarding nature why did you whip up a campaign of hatred against andhras when all you wanted was just a separate state. The entire country knows what kind of bigots Tvadis are.

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  115. state division imminent. Maybe not immediate but by 2014. But definitely not the way our Nobel pair dream.

    We are prepared for a long haul. Read '72: Unite or Perish'.

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  116. from wikipedia :)

    Golkonda was once renowned for the diamonds found on the south-east at Kollur Mine near Kollur (modern day Guntur district), Paritala (modern day Krishna district) and cut in the city during the Kakatiya reign. India Diamond#History, at that time, had the only known diamond mines in the world.

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  117. We will develop our cities.We learnt a good lesson from you guys.

    Sorry man, but you guys should have learnt a lesson from tamil guys itself. Blame your leaders. They let you ordinary people toil for Chennai. Gave it to Tamils. Made helluvalot of money and settled all over India. They dont care. Now you lose Hyd. Your leader would still sell everything off and settle all over the world. Now don't try to make a mistake of having Tirupati/Ongole as capital. Rayalaseema guys will do the same thing after you develop. You sort of will then turn you into a capital city supplier for the country. :)

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  118. Guys, I hear that KCR was asked to stay quiet or else his Gujarat coast records would be pull out. Must say his vyoohaatmaka mounam has something got to do with the Gujarat investment event recently.

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  119. >>In our discussions we found that the SA guys were very sympathetic to our argument while the TG guys where belligerent.

    Pakistan guys were very sympathetic to Kashmir argument while the Indian guys where belligerent.

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  120. >>And even MIM loves it though they didnt present it.

    Even TRS loves it though they didn't present it.

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  121. >>But we are no idiots.

    I doubt now :)

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  122. @Name less
    I already told you i am for division and support option 4.

    And whats that option?? Connect Hyderabad to Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema in two directions along the shortest route and include some areas on either side of the road to create a UT..

    Are you nuts? Did SKC members even ask the people who come under these areas what they want??

    Or did they just assume that these people rights are less important than your rights... Seemed so easy for them.

    Just because we have 10 lakhs in our bank deposit ,will we let a thief steal 2 lakhs from our pocket ?

    Who is asking you to give us your money. If its legal 10 lakhs that you are talking about i'm ready to fight so that your rights are protected..

    But if its your illegal money only GOD can save you.

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  123. And even MIM loves it though they didnt present it.

    Did Asaduddin Owaisi tell u this??

    Even he categorically said in his presentation that if Telangana is given, Hyderabad should be a part of it and not a UT.

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  124. @ Kazoom

    "Are you nuts? Did SKC members even ask the people who come under these areas what they want??"

    Did you guys ask people of Hyd whether they want to be in TG or not ? You just assumed that rights of hyd ppl are less than those of TG ppl.

    "If its legal 10 lakhs that you are talking about i'm ready to fight so that your rights are protected.."

    It is legal. Hyd was developed with tax money from all regions of AP which includes coastal &seema. Is that legal enough ?

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  125. It is legal. Hyd was developed with tax money from all regions of AP which includes coastal &seema. Is that legal enough ?


    What compensation did you get when you lost Madras to Tamil state? What compensation did Gujarthis get when they lost Bombay to Maharashtra?

    The similar compensation can be expected by Seemandhras from Telangana on Hyderabad.

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  126. @ Lavanya

    The links you gave once again proves that Tvadis are liars.

    this is the link you gave :
    "http://epaper.deccanpost.in/epaperpdf/1412011/1412011-md-hr-8.pdf"

    In point 2 author writes that as per SKC BRGF districts contains 87% of population. But he does not mention that in the same page SKC refuses this BRGF creteria.

    "Hence, the argument extended by some political parties and civil society groups from Telangana region does not get support from this analysis of the BRGF."

    contd

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  127. What compensation did you get when you lost Madras to Tamil state? What compensation did Gujarthis get when they lost Bombay to Maharashtra?

    The similar compensation can be expected by Seemandhras from Telangana on Hyderabad.


    The difference here is that the Andhras wanted a separate state and the loss for them was Madras. The Gujaratis wanted a separate state and they lost Bombay.

    Here Telangana wants separate state. The SA guys do not want a separate state.

    That's the difference.

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  128. contd..

    In point 3 he says that SKC made this statement "“At the outset, some or all such allegations appear true when absolute amounts, numbers and percentages are reviewed”

    But what actually SKC said is this

    "At the outset, some or all such allegations appear true when absolute amounts, numbers and percentages are reviewed. Yet, when a study of rate of change,growth rate and shares in the state economy is evaluated, nothing unusual emerges."

    You guys have once again proved yourself the worst kind of liars. You just make up a lie ,repeat that 1000000 times and think that it becomes a truth.

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  129. @ sujai

    My comment got deleted. Can you put it back ?

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  130. >>You think we are like idiots or ignorant or stupid or like having an IQ below 50 that Sujai keeps saying.

    Now it is clear to me,

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  131. >>Non cooperation will not succeed. Forget success it will not even take off.

    Not according to the 1972 Jai Andha movement.

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  132. >>Telangana is supported only in the pocket in North Telangana.

    It was proved when Samakyandra Garjana had roughly 2000+ people attended. heheeheee

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  133. "Not according to the 1972 Jai Andha movement."

    But dear Jai Andhra movt was done by Andhras ,not TG people. There is a difference you see.

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  134. >>Andhras have to be compensated or given a share in Hyd revenue.

    That is not true according to the United Andhra JAC. they dont agree to that. Not worthy to discuss further.

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  135. >>All these claims were debunked by SKC.

    Yeah, right, dubunked by SKC who nominated for Noble in maths, whey they magically counted the number of CMs from Telangana, by calling TG people as lazy he showing his rejection towards TG people and love for Seemandra.

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  136. The difference here is that the Andhras wanted a separate state and the loss for them was Madras. The Gujaratis wanted a separate state and they lost Bombay.

    Here Telangana wants separate state. The SA guys do not want a separate state.

    That's the difference.


    Compensation is not based on who initiates the separation. Marathis wanted to separate from Gujarathis to form Maharashtra, and still got the capital city.

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  137. My comment got deleted. Can you put it back ?


    Ask nicely. May be I will.

    You guys have got into this habit of not being polite. May be its time you learn the manners. Telangana is a good start for teaching you guys those manners.

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  138. @ Sujai
    Compensation is not based on who initiates the separation. Marathis wanted to separate from Gujarathis to form Maharashtra, and still got the capital city.

    Lets also note that the Samyukta Maharashtra movement also wanted Goa to be part of Maharashtra along with Belagaum and Karwar but they had to lose it. Goa was made a UT while Belgaum and Karwar went to Karnataka.

    So it ain't going to be neat - this separation. Time will say.

    So Option 4 is a very likely possibility too.

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  139. You guys have got into this habit of not being polite
    Hey! One cannot domesticate every animal in same way.
    Rudeness is inevitable against mindless arguments.

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  140. The difference here is that the Andhras wanted a separate state and the loss for them was Madras. The Gujaratis wanted a separate state and they lost Bombay.
    It is same with regions separated from Hyderabad and merged with Bombay and Mysore states. They did it voluntarily.

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  141. @Nameless,

    What a waste of my Sunday hour!!!

    The same old stuff of closed door meetings...

    I asked for proof,a record in the Assembly,not a statement in a book my friend...

    You do know the difference between the two!!!!

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  142. @Nameless,

    The SKC report is a complete cover up,on behalf of the UPA,to buy time...

    The report is intellectually confusing and self contradictory to the extent that it is comical at times.....

    Now,before you start the experience,integrity DISCUSSION...

    Do I think the SKC was dishonest??Do I think they have been influenced by gifts,money or deals??

    NO...

    They looked more comical and funny than dishonest...

    If they had really studied and understood the problem,they wouldn't have proposed the very same option 6,as a solution....

    The UPA only played its SKC card to blow off some steam off the SA pressure cooker...

    Just wait for 2014....

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  143. @Sujai,

    "Ask nicely. May be I will."

    You made up for the lost hour :-)

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  144. @Sera,

    "So it ain't going to be neat - this separation. Time will say."


    It is going to be the neatest separation I say....
    Let's wait for the UPA to announce the DEAL...

    "So Option 4 is a very likely possibility too."

    Option 4 is the least likely Sera,for the very reason why option 6 is....

    The people of Telangana will NEVER agree to an impossible idea of a 5 district UT...
    I wonder where they got THAT idea from!!!


    It is immoral and unethical to even propose that 5 districts must be separated from T,to accommodate free passage to SA,and even dumber to think that we are going to be accepting such foolish propositions...

    Let us not discuss or analyse the SKC in minute detail...We will be at wits end,by the end of it...

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  145. Sujai:

    I am surprised at your patience of explaining these people why separation is a logical/rational consequence of recorded events in history. If they don't get it now, they won't get it, ever!

    Probably, you should start explaning how good it would be if they had their own state and their own capital? May be they can be lured with such possibilities given their greed and stuff. I am sure T-vadis would be kind enough to let them share Hyd till they get their own set up provided they ask nicely .

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  146. I asked for proof,a record in the Assembly,not a statement in a book my friend..

    Madam,

    I could not resist narrating a joke.

    A friend of my friend was in some barracks in pune.
    On his day off he set of on a motor bike early in the morning to the town.
    It was very foggy with very little visibility.
    A motorist parked his car in middle of the road.
    He was leaning back on the bouynet with legs spread and enjoying a smoke.
    The bike guys could not see him behind the fog. Lo! he rammed the bike straight between the legs of motorist.
    The motorist lost one of his Te...
    Now the matter went to court and hearings going one.
    Laywer of the bike rider demanded
    "You are saying he has only one and lost another. But first he must prove that he had two before accident".


    Likewise tell me where are the records of Hyderabad assembly proceedings, I will show you the proof you want.
    If you cannot accept a book or a news paper report, you are bound to accept that Prof. Jayashankar put up so many lies just based on newspaper reports.

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  147. Just wait for 2014....
    Madam,

    I am not sure about Sera but I strongly believe the Telangana you dream will happen by 2014. I repeat Telangana with Hyderabad as capital and no sharing.

    But there will not be much left in Hyderabad by then.

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  148. lol..this guy seems to have more juice in his brain than SKC

    Best solution to bifurcate ANDHRAPRADESH.......!

    At present why so many perople are AGAINST bifurcation of AP state? Simple reason is only HYDERABD. Since 1956 to 2011, HYD is common capital for approx 60 years. It is clear the funds used for developtment of HYD is from united state only, for providing infrastructure for Pharma companies, IT companies, infra companies. Central GOVT establishments like IICT, NMDC, Central University, ICRISAT, DRDO,DRDL, Midhani, STPI, IDPL etc...are established in HYDERABD behalf of all TELUGU people sothat COASTAL ANDHRA people as well as RAYALASEEMA people are against of loosing of HYD by bifurcation.


    Best solution for this problem is, KEEP ANY COSTAL ANDHRA DISTRICT for 60 years as COMMON CAPITAL also having same copy of establishment of central Govt stated above like IICT, NMDC, Central University, ICRISAT, DRDO,DRDL, Midhani, STPI, IDPL etc... because COSTAL and RAYALASEEMA people don't like to loose central govt establishments , then (after 60 years) you can bifuracte the AP. Then no issues for anybody..............

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  149. @slb?
    But there will not be much left in Hyderabad by then.

    We were delivered that threat about 2 yrs ago. No need of repeating your warnings, our memories are still fresh.

    T with Hyderabad as capital.... nothing short of that is what we need.

    If everything in hyd moves elsewhere or closes shop, WE SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RE-BUILD THE 400 YR OLD CITY TO BE HOME TO THE NEXT MODERN AVATAR OF HYDERABAD.

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  150. SLB said...
    >> I repeat Telangana with Hyderabad as capital and no sharing. But there will not be much left in Hyderabad by then.

    Aha, this looks like Louis saying "Après moi, le déluge” (“After me, the deluge").

    Hyderabad was a thriving city before the andhras came and will remain so after the artificial state of AP breaks up.

    This will be the case even if some andhra guys try a scorched earth policy.

    Humko mitasake yeh zamane mein dum nahin
    Hum se zamane bhi hai, zamane se hum nahin

    Andhra guys should come out of the delusion they own Hyderabad.

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  151. >>Did you guys ask people of Hyd whether they want to be in TG or not ? You just assumed that rights of hyd ppl are less than those of TG ppl.

    What a joker he is, didn't we saw many agitations conduced in HYD? Human chains, dharnas, public meetings, batukamma festival to support TG etc?

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  152. >>Sure you will not believe what SKC quoted about parliament debate during 1953 Andhra state bill.

    Do you want to believe everything what SKC wrote in that trash? If so as per them they also said there are six CMs from Telangana. Start believing that lie.

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  153. >>By and large commentors from other side agreed it was not vote but only a opinion.

    Large number of people thought Raju is innocent when the first news broke out.

    Meaning, it doesn't matter what majority believe, truth is truth.

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  154. >>BTW, for this very reason of making nuisance every time Andhras decided to leave Telanganas. But your dumb leaders pleaded them to stay united.

    Another hatred lie by Seemandras towards Telangana. Looks like he confused between Seemandra and Telangana because he is afraid what happens to him after Telangana is separated. Brain doesnt work properly when some one is in very fear state. That is natural.

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  155. >>GA is equally irrelavent in todays context. Let me correct you, GA was neither legal not constitutional.

    Here we go, thats means the merger of TG and Seemandra was also neither leager nor constitutional.

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  156. >>T activists' propaganda of "merger was forced" has to be shatterred first.

    Yes, it needs to be shatterred first with out showing them any valid proof. Come on buddy, fill the blog with few more hatrad comments and cry like hell saying TG hates you, ..Time and again, you continue your argument without any proofs. Remember, if you show proofs you are dead because truth will come out.

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  157. >>I cannot talk on behalf of all Andhras. Here is my my view.

    That is how they slips from argument when they are busted.

    When he do not talk on behalf of majority Andhras, it doesnt matter what he cries here in this blog.

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  158. >>Let me remind you option 5 has condition to get approval of other regions.

    That is an example of the SKC's IQ level. If state can be bifurcated by approval of other regions, why the hell we need SKC for? What a jokers in the SKC?

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  159. >>The people of Telangana will NEVER agree to an impossible idea of a 5 district UT...
    I wonder where they got THAT idea from!!!

    If they included few more districts from SA to reach coastal ports , that will be the stupidest idea in human history. Thank god, with current technology we can not simply air lift the entire city. Other wise they may also suggest that option too... morans.

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  160. >>"You are saying he has only one and lost another. But first he must prove that he had two before accident".

    Any one can prove that with medical records where the doctor writes '....had to remove because it is damaged, and not fixable'. THat was the stupidest lawyer if he argue like that.

    >>Likewise tell me where are the records of Hyderabad assembly proceedings,

    Dont say that lawyer is you.

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  161. >>But there will not be much left in Hyderabad by then.

    So, your worry about Telangana who gets HYD which has left no juice? Thats fine, as long as you rulers leave the Telangana.

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  162. Anonymous to Anonymous

    ha ha ha ha ha ......

    ha ha ha ha ha......

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  163. Sujai,

    What is ur advice to OU students and other college students who may lose an year because of these agitations? They may not be as rich as u or as sharp and intelligent as u. They might lose opportunity to appear for higher education exams. Should they perform 'greater sacrifice' compared to u and politicians?

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  164. Hyundai and Bombardier are moving to Gujarat, in part because of T agitations. Good luck to more poor people and non-sujais who are doing THE sacrifices for T cause than these internet fanatics and politicans.

    No one has any moral or ethical reason to defend why they should lose jobs for separate state. All u hear Sujai or other say to them is: we're sorry u have to lose an year or job, we know u r poor and need some job but u see... u r the reason there is 'movement' and u need to make 'bigger sacrifice' than us. even though we have jobs and cushy life, we are fighting so that u can have great life later with well paying jobs and higher degrees.

    Sujai and others can come up with all sorts of news that NO company is leaving or abandoning plans or no one is losing their career... but in the end, these people cannot see the affected people in the eye and do anything more than sympathizing for their misfortune. If someone brings an unemployed or student and says this person lost something bcoz of agitations, they start throwing stones at the person who brought the victim, because they cannot morally defend how their actions hurt the victim.

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  165. So called Seemandra Gandhi, Lagadapati and his divoties kicked the Ashok's a** very badly for accusing Lagadapati infront of him that hey only used 'United Andhra' slogan to get fame and to secure his businesses in HYD.

    Universal truth: Truth is like fire, thats why even Seemandra Santhi Doota, modern day Gandhi, Lagadapati couldn't control his anger when he faced his real truth.

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  166. >>What is ur advice to OU students and other college students who may lose an year because of these agitations?

    Why dont you first go to your leaders, grab there collar and ask them why they supported the Telangana formation earlier and took U turn on the central decision, and made our state a mess.

    You are a coward to go them, but keep ranting by hiding behind the Internet.

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  167. Quote:
    "
    Hyundai and Bombardier are moving to Gujarat, in part because of T agitations. Good luck to more poor people and non-sujais who are doing THE sacrifices for T cause than these internet fanatics and politicans."

    And you dont say the same for who looted TG jobs illegally (even as per the SKC too)

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  168. Quote:
    "
    we're sorry u have to lose an year or job, we know u r poor and need some job but u see... "
    This would have been avoided if you didnt start your 'United Andhra' crap drama. You are equally responsible for any lose to the state. Every thing is fine till you started your United Andhra crap band.

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  169. Quote:
    "
    Sujai and others can come up with all sorts of news that NO company is leaving or abandoning plans or no one is losing their career."

    What he suggesting is for the sake of AP state(led/rule by Seemandra) Telangana has to face the dis cremation for ever. If we start question this, that will make damage to there businesses etc..etc...etc ... what a crap.

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  170. Quote:
    "
    If someone brings an unemployed or student and says this person lost something bcoz of agitations, they start throwing stones at the person who brought the victim, because they cannot morally defend how their actions hurt the victim."

    I too can bring thousands of farmers who left there lands because they dont have water for farming.

    I too can bring thousands of unemployed people who lost there rightful govt jobs for a seemandra@ who illegally occupied the job.

    As per the Seemandra Bible, this is not a bad thing, I guess so...

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  171. >>Hyundai and Bombardier are moving to Gujarat, in part because of T agitations.

    few more to add.

    1. TTD 'Ananta Swarnamayam' canceled due to T agitations.

    2. We lost the river water case due to the T agitations.

    3. No MPs got cabinate positions due to the T agitations, they cant raise there voice due to the T agitation.

    4. 'Param Veer Chakra' movie is flop due to the T agitation.

    5. You didnt receive your daily news paper infront of your home due to the T agitation.

    6. My dog got two puppies and my cat died last week due to the T agitation.

    and many more ...

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  172. "I too can bring thousands of farmers who left there lands because they dont have water for farming.

    I too can bring thousands of unemployed people who lost there rightful govt jobs for a seemandra@ who illegally occupied the job."

    My point is... how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost job/career bcoz of these agitations/bandhs/hunger strikes, and justify he needed to lose them as part of 'sacrifice'? You do NOT understand the moral consequences of actions on poor students and unemployed. Even if u bring 100s and 1000s of farmers/unemployed, that does not justify why another student should lose his future because of 'your' actions. How can u morally justify sacrificing students/unemployed careers as a consequence of ur actions, irrespective of the reasons behind it.

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  173. @andhras sujai is getting paid 10k RS For every blog post by TRS, his companys revenue will increase suddenly if telangana forms what could be the rationale for his passionate blogging

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  174. >>So called Seemandra Gandhi, Lagadapati and his divoties kicked the Ashok's a** very badly for accusing Lagadapati infront of him that hey only used 'United Andhra' slogan to get fame and to secure his businesses in HYD.

    Nice job by Ashok. There are more people who are like Ashok but keep quite because of fears. Lagadapati is a dirty business man and have no morale to be a politician. Shy on those who elelcted him.... hope this is a lesson to many such dirty minds.

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  175. Quote:
    "
    My point is... how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost job/career bcoz of these agitations/bandhs/hunger strikes,"

    My point is... how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost his farming/job bcoz in the past his fore fathers wanted to be part of AP state?

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  176. Quote:
    "
    You do NOT understand the moral consequences of actions on poor students and unemployed."

    Yet, you understood well about TG decades old problems, because of your greedy reasons to grab HYD you made the state hell, you are the one for current situations.

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  177. Quote:
    "
    @andhras sujai is getting paid 10k RS For every blog post by TRS, his companys revenue will increase suddenly if telangana forms what could be the rationale for his passionate blogging"

    But the Seemandra Gandhi Lagadapati is way richer than KCR, he already beat the KCR price, and now giving 10K/comment posted against T agitation any where in the internet.

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  178. "My point is... how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost his farming/job bcoz in the past his fore fathers wanted to be part of AP state?"

    so, u dont mind punishing him second time because someone else punished him first time? so, how r u better than the people who u accuse of? what do u want to say to the victim of ur actions?

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  179. From Eenadu Jan 24, 2011

    Title: ఎన్నాళ్లీ అభద్రత?
    దీర్ఘకాల ఉద్యమాలు, రాష్ట్రంలో నెలకొన్న సందిగ్ధతే ప్రధాన సమస్య. పోలీసుల భద్రతను ఏర్పాటు చేసుకుంటేగానీ వ్యాపారాలు కొనసాగించుకోలేకపోతున్నాం. ఉద్యమాల సమయంలో మా పరిశ్రమలకు ఇబ్బంది కలగకుండా హామీ ఇవ్వగలరా? మీ పార్టీల మేనిఫెస్టోల సాక్షిగా మాకా విశ్వాసం కల్పిస్తూ రాతపూర్వక వాగ్దానం చేయండి' అని ఈ సందర్భంగా రాజకీయ పార్టీలకు సీఐఐ ప్రతినిధులు విజ్ఞప్తి చేశారు.

    What a fools they are make such request, didn't they know the fate of there manifesto promise about Telangana? After seeing its fate they still asking same kind of promise.

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  180. After Telangana comes Frontier Nagaland


    Once again there is a separate statehood demand and this time it’s in Nagaland. The Frontier Nagaland demand has not come out of nowhere, but does it have the potential to create roadblock for NSCN (IM)’s Greater Nagaland agenda? Ratnadip Choudhury tries to find out
    The Telengana movement in the south has ignited a similar spirit in the hills of Nagaland. Inspired by the statehood stir in Andhra Pradesh, the Eastern Nagaland People’s Organisation (ENPO) has come forward with a demand of carving out a new state — Frontier Nagaland. This demand comes after six Naga tribes, including the Chang, Konyak, Sangtam, Khiamniungan, Yimchungru, Phom. Along with the ENPO, they want the new state to be carved out of Tuensang, Mon, Kiphire and Longleng districts of eastern Nagaland as well as Tirap and Changlang districts of adjoining Arunachal Pradesh, which have a dominant Naga population.

    Continue reading at;


    http://www.morungexpress.com/write_wing/61016.html

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  181. Quote:
    "
    so, how r u better than the people who u accuse of? "

    So you agree you are the fist punished him. You can save these poor people from first and second ***.... by supporting the TG formation.

    I am saying it again, you would have not seen this day if you are honest with other region people. Where was your sympathy when TG people were cheated? Stop acting like saint, and lecturing about good/bad to us. If you want to do good to the people, support the TG formation.

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  182. Telangana is like a beautiful and educated woman, and Hyderabad is it's jewel.Though vibrant in thought it happened to lack the free spirit of self defence,and self respect.It stood symbolically for its lack of self rule,inspite of its advantages...


    Jharkhand on the other hand is like an independent woman who,though relatively backward(scientifically and economically),believes that it needs to be ugly enough,to be safe from kidnappers(read capitalists)....


    What Telangana needs today is a boost in trusting it's SELF,a faith in its intelligence and the strong will to see through the tough times....

    What Jharkhand needs is a strong leader who can gain the people's trust and instil in them a love and confidence for education and scientific temperament....

    Similar yet different...
    Different and yet similar...

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  183. Wise people on the blog must stop fearing and fighting change,and start understanding and adapting to it....


    It really gets too preachy sometimes,AND what did the doctor say about too much sweet????

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  184. After Sera Comes her North Indian Ilk.


    There is a Danger of Northi-Indians swamping the relatively prosperous South-Indian States, The Fertility Rates of North-Indian States is something like 3.5 while it is only 2.2 in South, If Internal migration is not Checked by More Checks like College Seats and Jobs based on Nativity certificates there is real danger.

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  185. Naxal expert Michael Speck:

    <<<Not only is the creation of Telangana a potential boon for the Maoists, the muddled process that has so far marked its birth is tailor-made for strengthening their position. The Maoists have strongly supported calls for an independent Telangana. The central government’s moves have created a volatile situation in the state marked by a high degree of political mobilisation. By supporting the pro-Telangana forces, the Maoists have positioned themselves as an armed and disciplined force which can help a popular movement struggle against the central government’s duplicity. They have, for example, already called for a general strike for the 2 January.

    If the Maoists play their hand well, they will be in position to gain a tremendous goodwill and popular support by acting as a force which is willing to fight for the sentiments and aspirations of the local population. They will be in an even stronger position to capture the newly independent state once it is created. Delhi could not have created conditions more beneficial for the Naxalites had it been closely collaborating with the Maoist leadership.

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  186. Aravind,

    "My point is... how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost job/career bcoz of these agitations/bandhs/hunger strikes,"


    Please stop playing the guilt card on us....
    If the Centre was so concerned about the students welfare,it wouldn't have used them in their dirty tricks..

    The students,the farmers,the lawyers and the other T supporters are all adults not kids...

    If they are adult enough to cast their votes,they are definitely adult enough to make choices in life....

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  187. Lavanya:

    "it wouldn't have used them in their dirty tricks.."

    who is using them? who formed JAC and forced students out of exams for selfish needs under the garb of 'freedom'?

    "The students,the farmers,the lawyers and the other T supporters are all adults not kids...
    If they are adult enough to cast their votes,they are definitely adult enough to make choices in life...."

    what is the choice for a poor telangana engg student in OU? He has to stop writing exams, else he will get beaten up. He will lose his academic year and maybe job but u dont care. He has NO choice to say: I will secure my future like Sujai and fight for T state after I am settled.

    All u want is ur state and u don't want to respond to guilty conscience of hurting poor, innocent T students/unemployed people.

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  188. Donno how Can the the National Media totally ignore Todays events, Testament to how Strong TG movement is, MLA's and Ministers are Pissing in Pants to Paritcipate in Raccha Banda in Telangana , only god knows about "governance".
    Every Minister from Telangana was either Mobbed or Pelted with eggs and Chappals in the past two days,

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  189. Aravind:

    You write:

    how can you stare at a person on his face, when he lost job/career bcoz of these agitations/bandhs/hunger strikes, and justify he needed to lose them as part of 'sacrifice'? You do NOT understand the moral consequences of actions on poor students and unemployed.

    You ask:

    Sujai, What is ur advice to OU students and other college students who may lose an year because of these agitations?

    When you write these sentences, it is clear to almost every Telangana person that your intentions are not genuine and that your concerns are not sincere. You really care a damn for what happens to OU students. Seemandhra people who are opposed to formation of Telangana movement shed crocodile tears for the plight of Telangana students, while they secretly revel and rejoice when these students are beaten up or put in a jail hoping that the movement is being crushed.

    So, when you ask me these questions, I can only smile, because your words and statements reek of insincerity. I can’t help but admire the guts of your ilk who can continue to pretend that you care for us, while no Telangana person actually believes you anymore.

    What I say to these OU students is none of your business. But they do know that we wish well of them while you definitely do not. Try talking to them and see how they will react to your words. On a broader note, I don’t think I can tell an 18-year old what he should do with his life. When I was 18 I didn’t expect anyone to tell me what I should be doing with my life. At the most, I listened to my parents. To these 18-year olds, I say the same. Listen to your parents, at the most.

    Having said that, the students or the people of Telangana don’t have to listen to us. It is up to them to fight or not fight. But I do admire those young men who fight for their own freedom and the freedom of the fellow man. Great revolutions on this planet were brought forth by young men who had a burning desire to bring change. If these students believe they or their people will have a great future in Telangana, they should fight for it. I do believe that people of Telangana will have a better future in a separate Telangana.

    [Fighting doesn't mean pelting stones. Right now Lakhs of Telangana people are fighting for Telangana by participating in agitations, either it is vanta-varpu, or a dhoom-dham.]

    Now, coming to losing a year, I squarely blame Seemandhra politicians, Samaikhyandhra activists and Samaikhyandhra loyalists for this, who have launched into a counter-agitation to thwart the formation of Telangana. If they had not done so, we would have had Telangana right away, and these 18-years olds would not have had to come out onto streets, bear the brunt of police lathis and rubber bullets, and would never have seen inside of a jail. Not many young men had to put up with such opposition in Chattigarh, Jharkhand or Uttarakhand. It is unfortunate that young men in Telangana have to put up with this opposition to the formation a state. And that is happening only because of the opposing forces from Seemandhra.

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  190. Arvind'


    Stop preaching...It is getting nauseating now..

    The same students were beaten black and blue,kicked,tear gassed and jailed even during peaceful processions(mind you,even girls were not spared)...

    The GOAP went a step ahead and branded them naxals,mao supporters and what not before the Supreme Court,for which it was duly kicked...

    How come you never came out in support of the very same students??

    All your idealism seems to be starting and ending,only on the net...Arm chair liberals,are we???

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  191. The line Between Civil Disobedience and Violence is very thin, Shoving a Cream Pie or Paint at the Face of a UK minister will be considered as Non-violent Protest But even Pelting Eggs at Telangana Politicians is Frowned upon even by prof Kodanadaram as Violence. RastaRoka May be Accepted in India, But in US if u block a National Highway they will even Use Snipers to Put u down as a last resort.

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  192. Aravind:

    who is using them? who formed JAC and forced students out of exams for selfish needs under the garb of 'freedom'?

    Your attempts at sounding caring towards the students of Telangana are hollow. They are bereft of any sincerity and the more you try at it, the more you reveal your egregious insincerity.

    Students, lawyers, professors, engineers, doctors, writers, scholars, scientists, are forming JACs on their own. Out of their volition they come out and form a JAC and say, we are participating in this struggle for a separate Telangana.

    To understand how hollow you sound, you should ask yourself a reverse question: Why did these Seemandhra politicians ‘force’ young and innocent people in Seemandhra to come out of onto the streets to participate in Samaikhyandhra agitations under the garb of ‘united family’?

    All u want is ur state and u don't want to respond to guilty conscience of hurting poor, innocent T students/unemployed people.

    If you were so concerned for our people, you would NOT have opposed formation of Telangana. Now listen to how the reverse sounds: All you want is keep Telangana as internal colony, and you don’t want to respond to the guilty conscience of hurting poor, innocent Telangana students and farmers?

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  193. A clear conscience needs no approval...


    A humble and heart felt thanks to all those people who have resigned from their well paying jobs in MNC's and/or refused greater opportunities and have devoted their entire time inspiring people like us with their words and deeds...

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  194. Arvind,

    yes! You should stop preaching. Our trio believe strongly that no harm done by T agitation. Yesterday's industry meeting with politicians is the writing on wall. But they will not accept.
    At this movement they match budugu (bapu-ramanala humor kid) dialog "naa anta vaanni nenu".

    There is another angle too for this. They believe growth and development did not good to Telangana people. So they would wish a faster death for Hyderabad.

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  195. Quote:
    "
    who formed JAC and forced students out of exams for selfish needs under the garb of 'freedom'?"

    That question is not right, you need to ask ...why JACs formed.

    This is all chain reaction, you help for TG formation, JACs will be dissolved, students can write exams and get jobs. you happy.

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  196. SLB:

    There is another angle too for this. They believe growth and development did not good to Telangana people. So they would wish a faster death for Hyderabad.

    Ah, another clever ruse Andhras employ against us. They think we are dumb, we are lazy and we are incapable of making Hyderabad or Telangana better. So much for their indoctrination by their forefathers when they came down to colonize us! Gujarathis said the same thing to Maharashtrians when Bombay became part of Maharashtra. Bombay thrives and is the financial capital of India. India’s richest Gujarathis made Bombay their home now.

    The new generation of Telangana believes that they can build a far better Telangana when Seemandhras are no longer ruling us; that we can make Hyderabad far better city than what has been done under Seemandhra rule. We believe we can build a Telangana which is far more prosperous, far more equitable, and far more inclusive than what it is now under Seemandhra rule.

    Therefore, when we ask you to ‘get lost, we don’t want to you rule us anymore’, what we are trying to tell you is that we can do a much better job than you. It does not mean we don’t want growth and development. It means we can achieve those without your domination, which will far better for this region and its cities.

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  197. ఒక రెండు దశాబ్దాల క్రితం అసెంబ్లీలో రాజకీయ బలాబలాలు, అంటే ఎవరికీ ఎందరు సభ్యుల మద్దతు ఉన్నదో, తెల్చుకునేవారు.
    కొంతకాలంగా ఈ బలప్రదర్శన వాగ్యుద్దాల ద్వారా, అప్పుడప్పుడు బల్లలు మైకులు నాశనం ద్వారా తెలియచేపుతున్నారు.
    గత రెండు మూడు రోజులుగా మన తెలంగాణ నాయకులు వారి రాజకీయ పురోగమనం విన్నూత్నమైన రీతిలో తెలియ చేస్తున్నారు
    నట్టనడి రోడ్డు మీద పిడిగుద్దులు, రాళ్ళతో కొట్టడాలు..

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  198. Sujai,

    I am not questionning abilities of Telanganas. I am living among many qualified and studious Telanganas.
    They did not ran away to other cities/countries for 'more'. They are part and parcel of Hyderabad growth story.

    I am alluring only to 3 persons who beleive Telenganas did not benefit from development of Hyderabad (do not start the 'who developed Hyderabada' crap again).
    You, your IQueen and your colourful companion.

    I do not know whether Telanganas are lazy or not. But there is one section of Telanganas who are like 'kokilalu'. They feel like beautiful educated women eating 'leta chigurlu only'. But they occupy nests built by hard working birds.
    This section is none other than political section that cannot even understand needs of their people but ty to grab peoprties of others in the name of self-resepct.

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  199. @ anonymous.... sera....aravind... slb:

    In fact it will lower my reputation if world knows I am participating in these low-level discussions. :-)
    Still I have purpose and by now you should have got. No? Then your creativity is challenged.


    Ah! Now our lazy brains see the light!

    You are here anonymously as you find it beneath you to engage in discussions with us!

    But yet, you claim you have a purpose... the purpose of your life... to show everything we say and do in a bad light.

    I have been following this blog and its comments for more than I read the top news papers. There are just a few basic counter-attacks and strategies deployed by the opposition on this blog.

    Most of your arguments reduce to:

    1. You guys are lazy and stupid.
    2. You are nothing without us.
    3. We seek moral superiority over you and will make sure that by using 'united' slogan, we will rob you of your city.
    4. We will ensure more perks and concessions for our future and hence, we will keep attacking your freedoms.
    5. Our ultimate motive is not samaikyandhra, it is seemandhra with a colony to feed on.
    6. We will attack you (sujai and other bloggers) personally, we will twist and torment history, we will call you demeaning names, even call you slaves.
    7. When all else fails, we will mock at you and tell you that you are stupid because your leader (KCR) is not "morally superior" by your standards.

    I have not seen a single argument that doesn't fall into one of the above categories.

    The arguments are getting boring and ridiculously degrading. However, each post you anonymous folks post on this blog strengthens our resolve to fight for Telangana State.

    Political parties in Telangana are up for a huge surprise in the next elections. Congress party will be the first to be wiped out of the state of Telangana completely. So much so that Sonia will never be giving her election-speech here again.

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  200. The new generation....

    Time to for educated Telangana, for the matter entire AP, to learn from Ankapur in Nizamabad.
    They have shown true community spirit. No complaints no excuses only goals. Above all they still retain the 400 year old culture.

    The success story here is not 60 year old. Not government aided. Soon after the Zamindar left the place in 1980, people took up the development path and succeeded.

    http://www.ankapur.com/about.html

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