Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Telangana 49: Naxals


Naxalism in Telangana

Many detractors of Telangana movement are trying to blemish our genuine people's movement by calling it a Maoist-led movement, and that the student protestors are none but 'Naxals'.

Unlike what most other people think outside Telangana, calling someone a Naxal is not derogatory to most people of Telangana.   He is not seen as a terrorist as most people think.  Naxalism, according to us, is a socio-economic problem, something that needs to be addressed as a collective responsibility, the way we would address suicides of farmers.  Our current government in New Delhi got the whole thing wrong.  They are on the brink of creating another Frankenstein monster approaching this problem as a menace rather than a socio-economic problem.  Like Indira Gandhi who goofed up on Telangana, Punjab and Northeast, the current administration is about to goof up on this problem which has its origins in poverty, injustice and lack of land reforms that continue to exist since pre-Independence.   Unlike most others outside our region, we think that Naxals need to be embraced and rehabilitated so that they become a part of the mainstream. 

In fact, the very thinking that Naxalism can be crushed with violent methods is foolish thinking.  About ten years ago, when I asked a man who was entrusted with combating Naxalism, a DIG in Andhra Pradesh at a dinner, ‘So, Sir, when do you think we will get rid of Naxal problem?’ he smiled and told me, ‘that’s a naïve question.  As long as there is a huge disparity between the haves and have-nots in this region, as long as most of the people are denied justice and opportunity, there will always be Naxalism’.  

Naxalism came about in Telangana region after the ruthless crushing of 1969 Telangana Agitation followed by Machiavellian political maneuvers that completely hijacked a genuine people’s movement.  That’s when the youth of Telangana got disenchanted with legal and electoral institutions of flawed Indian democracy.  

Let’s revisit the events. 

Telangana had roots in communist rebellion that fought Nizam while Andhras experienced Congress democracy to fight Great Britain.  Telangana’s history was bereft of democratic institutions that Andhra enjoyed.  Telangana was steeped in illiteracy, zamindari system, bonded labor, slavery, etc, while Andhras were an emancipated lot, had good schools and colleges, experienced land reforms, and had better irrigation. 

After Independence, Telangana continued to vote Communist parties to power while Andhra voted Congress to power.  Step-brotherly treatment was meted out to Communist-led Telangana in the Congress-led united Andhra Pradesh.  That continued till 1969, when after a series of broken agreements and accords Telangana people took to streets to protest.  It was a student led movement.  It was ruthlessly crushed by Indira Gandhi who jailed thousands of protestors.  According to some estimates nearly 70,000 people were arrested, converting colleges like Kakatiya Medical College and Regional Engineering College Warangal into jails.   Nearly 370 people were killed.  Thousands injured.  There were 1800 lathicharge incidents.  There was complete media blackout and nobody outside Telangana knew much about the state-sponsored violence to curb this movement.

After these incidents, Telangana people took the electoral route, hoping India would live up to the promises it made in its Preamble.   Telangana Praja Samiti (TPS) won 11 out of 14 Lok Sabha seats clearly indicating the mood of the people for creation of separate Telangana.  What did India do?  Instead of recognizing the electoral mandate, Indira Gandhi coerced the head of TPS to join Congress giving the incentive of Chief Minister post to a Telangana man.  What came out was a six-point formula which was a diluted form of Gentlemen’s Agreement.  When Andhra people flouted Mulki Rules, PV Narasimha Rao, the first Telangana to become Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, took it to Supreme Court which upheld the Mulki Rules.  The Andhras who formed the majority in the Assembly, instead of accepting the verdict, boycotted the Assembly, held the sessions in Tirupati and ensured PV Narasimha Rao government was removed, to be replaced by President’s Rule.  Under this President’s Rule, Indira Gandhi did an act of parliament to overturn the Supreme Court decision in favor of Andhras.

Just take a look at what India did to people of Telangana.  First, they ensured their electoral route was suppressed. Next, they ensured the legislative means was curbed.  Then, they ensured even the legal route was blocked.  The youth of Telangana got disillusioned.  They got disenchanted with the Indian political system.  Out of that disenchantment, as a product of many betrayals, came Naxalism.  The youth of Telangana took up an alternative system to fight the system - readily available was Naxalism that had roots in Communism.  

For the next few years, there was a massive suppression of Naxalism in our region.  Large police forces were stationed in our towns.  Many innocents were jailed under mere suspicion without legal recourse.  Many young people disappeared forever.  Fake encounters were a daily event.  It was a draconian system with policeman acting as the deliverer of the law.  For many years, the most feared man in our region was the policeman.

While growing up, my home was very close to a police station.  I could hear wails of a human being screaming in pain and agony.  It was the most agonizing thing I have heard in my life.  The next morning, we would see a man laying there in the mud, disheveled, distraught, and completely broken.   The whole idea of the torture was to inflict so much pain that that you lose the very spirit as a human.  You no longer have a will to fight or raise your voice.  It was quite effective.   That’s how Telangana was broken down, in spirit, so that no voice is raised again.

Once that happened to a person his life changed. He never smiled again.  He was always lost.  The children and the wife wept the whole time.  Most often, these guys were just ordinary workers from a nearby village.  They may have nothing to do with Naxalism.  But a mere suspicion or raise of voice against the landlord or policeman was enough to torture and maim the person.  Many kids in the villages who saw this happening to their dear ones grew up knowing that the system was against them – many of them became Naxalites.  That’s how Naxalism grew in ranks.

For a very long time Naxalites enjoyed the support of the masses.  They became the Robin Hoods for the villagers.  The policeman was seen as a villain and Naxals as the heroes.  When we were kids growing up in Warangal, if there was ever a shootout between Naxals and police, we were advised to run towards Naxals and not police, because the police would be indiscriminate in their firing but not Naxals – that was the prevailing opinion.  

Naxals enjoyed that hero treatment for many years.  They would come and make speeches.  They were always well spoken, never uttering an abusive word.  In remote villages, they solved many problems for poor people.  After their arrival, the farmer got their lands, the teachers showed up at school without fail, the government employees did their duty. 

However the movement degenerated as is common with any movement that embraces violence as core ideology.  The well-educated ideologues were either arrested or they gave up the life of Naxals to join the mainstream.  Soon, there were many excesses in Telangana.  They killed many people.  After few years, the villager had to equally fear the Naxalite as much as a policeman.   Naxals tried to enforce their disenchantment with Indian system onto everyone forcing people not to vote.  That did not go well with the people who wanted to join the mainstream, send their kids to school, get education, etc.

Nowadays, the philosophies and ideologies of Naxalites are no longer valid.  Even the poor reject it.  It is much better for people of Telangana to work through the system rather than outside of it. Most people in Telangana wants to join the mainstream.

After forty years, people of Telangana come together once again to seek a separate Telangana.   What will India do this time?  It has already negated our electoral routes.  Both in 2004 and 2009, only those parties which endorsed Telangana have won in Telangana, and yet India does not seem to wake up and see the reality.  On the behest of Andhras, it is keen on trying to attach the tag of Naxalites to our genuine people’s movement – knowing very well that Naxalism is on the wane in the region.

Just because Naxals now support separate Telangana does not make it a Maoist movement the way BJP’s support does not make it a Hindutva Movement.  Telangana Movement crosses all divides.  Nowhere would you see a Maoist, a Hindutva Supporter, and Muslim leader sitting on the same dais seeking the same solution. 

Will history repeat itself?

Will 1969 repeat?  Will there be upsurge of Naxal movement in Telangana?

Looks like that’s what India wants.  Looks like that’s what Andhras want.  Even when there is no involvement from Maoists, they want to push Telangana students to join Maoists by force.  When the students are fighting a legitimate fight, they are being pushed into embracing violence.  When the students refuse to become violent, the detractors of Telangana are not very happy.  They want these kids to embrace guns so that they can just shoot them and put an end to this movement. They want to shoot them even if they pick up a stone.

In their shortsightedness, India believes it is curbing Naxalism while it is suppressing Telangana movement when in fact it is the same suppression that led to Naxalism in this region, when in fact it is this suppression that will eventually refuel the Naxalism in this region. 

Maoists’ embracing separate Telangana is a welcoming thing for Telangana. It means they are ready to embrace the political system of this country instead of trying to fight outside it.  We should not fear it when Naxalites endorse Telangana.  We should use this occasion to make sure they give up their violent methods and join the mainstream.   That is the right way to solve Naxalism in this region.

Suppression of current Telangana Movement calling it a Naxal movement is the most foolish thing India will do in the current century.  We should not forget the foolish moves of Indira Gandhi when she tried to meddle with Sikhs in Punjab and when she suppressed Telanganas in 1969. 

The question is simple. What do you want, India? A prosperous and Naxal-free Telangana or a impoverished and Naxal-infested Telangana? If you want to tackle Naxalism, grant Telangana immediately.  It’s an opportunity to bring Naxals into the mainstream.  Ask them to renounce the violent methods and ask them to join the mainstream politics.  That’s the only way to end Naxalism. 

If the center is thinking that it can curb Telangana movement with guns, they are completely and hopelessly wrong.  Right now the students of Osmania, Kakatiya and other universities are seething with anger at the betrayals they faced by the Indian government.  Most of these kids are from villages, from backward communities; forming the bulk are SC/ST/OBC students.  That’s also the reason why the elite Andhras call them rowdies and hooligans.  No matter what Andhras think, these students are our people, the future of Telangana. 

Let us not hand them over to Maoist movements.  Instead let us extend our hand and pull them back from brink of another disaster.  Let’s not dilly dally and count number of MLA and MPs seats you are going to win.  Let’s not make strategic plans to win elections in Telangana and Andhra.  Let’s just put an end to this 53 year old problem by giving the right remedy – the creation of Telangana.  Why wait for another 10 months?  In the last 3 months 300 people have committed suicides.  Do you want to see 1000 more suicides in Telangana?  The weak-hearted ones commit suicide while the impatient ones join violent movements.  Do you want to see the ranks of Naxals swell because of your violent suppressions?  Do you want us to wake up to see Section 144 on a daily basis once again?  Do you want to rule us at gunpoint once again with your armies? Do you want to create an island of prosperity in Hyderabad to keep Andhras happy while rest of Telangana wallows in poverty and mired in Naxalism?

How does India solve its problems? Maturely or petulantly like a kid?  The ball is in your court, India.  

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  2. Excellent article Sujai.
    For many years, the most feared man in our region was the policeman.

    I think this situation still prevails.
    And everyone from telangana whether they support or do not support separate state, will accept this.
    The fact that our andhra brothers would never ever understand.

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  3. rule yourself in rest telangana with rose wand and leave Hyderabad..... we will take care of this city.

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  4. sujai bhai,
    you are simply great in explaining things in an easy way,i started writing for telangana,u are my inspiration in writing articles about telanagana,telangana will bless you forever.

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  5. Sujai,
    Excellent Anaysis.
    Keep it up and keep going!

    Thanks for writing and sharing with us.

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  6. @ Sujai

    How low will you stoop ? Naxalism emerged in Telangana to fight against DORAS. It had nothing to do with Telangana movement. Naxals in telangana were inspired by events in Srikakulam a few years ago.

    But you make it out as naxals emerged becaused of crushing 1969 T movement. I think you will be the next generation 'Jayashankar'. He is also very good at brain washing people using fake stats and made up history.

    //Right now the students of Osmania, Kakatiya and other universities are seething with anger at the betrayals they faced by the Indian government. Most of these kids are from villages, from backward communities; forming the bulk are SC/ST/OBC students. That’s also the reason why the elite Andhras call them rowdies and hooligans. No matter what Andhras think, these students are our people, the future of Telangana.

    Let us not hand them over to Maoist movements. //

    Nice try bringing the caste angle. SC/ST/OBCs form 50% of all universities ,so there is no need for you to tell that they form bulk of university agitators.

    And why only these sections will become maoists . Wont the upper castes who form the rest of 50% become maoists ? Or is that you want only the backward sections to become maoists ?

    While some doras are brain washing backward sections into committing suicides ,elites like you want to backward sections to become maoists?

    Didnt i say earlier that the Doras and elites of Telangana will use the backward section people as pawns in their games ?

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  7. "Both in 2004 and 2009, only those parties which endorsed Telangana have won in Telangana, and yet India does not seem to wake up and see the reality."

    Why did TRS lose in 2009? U trusted congress more than TRS? Why? India is more open than you think. Unlike you (who is calling India as third person), we have to make decisions based on implications to the country.

    "Just because Naxals now support separate Telangana does not make it a Maoist movement the way BJP’s support does not make it a Hindutva Movement."
    Hindutva movement was not anti-national like maoist movement. Most ridiculous movement. I wish u were put in RSS or national army service to instill SOME nationalist feeling in u, Ur post is disgraceful, distasteful, appeasing to naxalism and secessionist. We have fougght such battles in Punjab Kashmir and NE. Bring it on with ur mafia on internet. U do not care about the maoists and terrorists taking advantage of volatile and unstable atmosphere. U blame ur ineptitude on India i.e. us. Bhagat Singh etc fought alongside congress even though his approach was different. If u have an iota of nationalism, u will not justify naxalism in ANY way.

    "Telangana Movement crosses all divides. Nowhere would you see a Maoist, a Hindutva Supporter, and Muslim leader sitting on the same dais seeking the same solution."
    But u conveniently ignore other regions of the state who are not on board and u do not care. We all know whose side MIM is on. Common man still cares about solutions to his problems and does not believe same set of leaders in a different state will solve problems.

    "How does India solve its problems? Maturely or petulantly like a kid? The ball is in your court, India."

    If u do not feel u r India where u have right to express ur opinion but have responsibility to go with the decision keeping the larger national interest in mind, we can get into a debate. We can deal with naxalism with iron hand if this is ur threat to join naxalite movement

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  8. reality

    And why only these sections will become maoists . Wont the upper castes who form the rest of 50% become maoists ?

    you nailed it....

    And this naxalism wont die off even after seperate Telangana is formed so why seperate state for Tamrind fruit owners?

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  9. Sujai,

    Our current government in New Delhi got the whole thing wrong. They are on the brink of creating another Frankenstein monster approaching this problem as a menace rather than a socio-economic problem.


    Why wont the central govt. get it wrong?

    Read the comments by our beloved telugu brothers above. These voices start from the top of their pyramid and keep getting nastier as we traverse down their social structure.

    There is already so much hatred, and the sugar-coated words of "we are all brothers" crap that Lagadapati comes up with, misguides many people.

    How much of our true history do the AU and SKU graduates know? How many of them are seeking truth to begin with?

    A Frankenstein is what we are already turned into, after so many decades and so many betrayals.

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  10. A very good article Sujai.

    It clearly addresses the "gaali" they think they are giving us.

    The diagnosis of "You have starvation problem" is not a gaali on the patient. It is a gaali on the system.

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  11. @ Sujai

    //Both in 2004 and 2009, only those parties which endorsed Telangana have won in Telangana, and yet India does not seem to wake up and see the reality. //

    You are telling lies here. Both in 2004 and 2009 congress won. Did congress promise telangana like you said ? NO ,it did not . In 2004 it said telangana will created by consensus or second SRC. In 2009 congress did not take a stand on Telangana.

    Even TRS even in 2004 won only 27 out of 60 seats contested. Why did the rest 33 seats reject TRS ?

    You see the majority in Telangana either didnt care about telangana issue or wanted it to be acheived through congress way.

    But people like you are twisting facts, instigating people against democracy ,asking them to become maoists.

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  12. @ Sujai

    //In the last 3 months 300 people have committed suicides. Do you want to see 1000 more suicides in Telangana? //

    Why do you glorify suicides ? Do you want poor people to die ,so screwed up elites like you can feel happy that Telangana movement is going on? Do you think states will be created based on the number of suicides.

    Why don't you write a blog on how wrong a suicide is and discourage people from doing it

    Also we know majority of these deaths are either natural deaths or suicides for different reasons which are all clubbed under 'Telangana movement suicides'. News is that Kavita from TRS is incharge of this suicide count business.

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  13. @reality
    i agree with reality that naxals against doras,but reality you should agree with sujai it increased rapidly after 1969 movement,which totally makes sense,when you shun peoples desire they tend take extreme steps.

    i want to ask reality a straightfarward question.
    when andhra separated from madras for a simple reason self respect,why cant telanganites do the same,we were 2 different states prior to 1956,why cant we be now.

    do you know separateandhra movement intenisfied in madras when a tamil judge is appointed in rajamundry prior to 1953.

    we have 1000's of reasons like that to quote,do you think we feel happy when movies and media make fun of our accent or culture,its very hard for you to understand how it feels to be a telanganite,you have to be one to understand.
    I bet you like potti sriramulu,why do you hate us,we dont want your vizag or tirupati,all we want is our telangana.

    you should understand andhrites living standards were much higher than telanganites furing the merger,since you have education and wealth you were able to acquire most of white collor jobs,and prejudice started in such a way and continues to be.

    if you understand what is self respect
    and self rule,you will understand telangana.
    our leaders are mere puppets infront of your leaders like cbn or ysr stc..

    we dont want that kind of system,we want our people,goevrning us form top to bottom,there by getting our slef respect back.

    please dont provoke telangites,you might create animosity.

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  14. @realty and @Blueshift
    So, what do you guys propose be done? A referendum in Telangana on the Telangana issue? Are you guys up for it?

    Or, why bother ourselves with democratic means and just keep doing what we are doing now - crushing legitimate people's movements.

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  16. @reality

    you wrong in conculding that when people reject TRS,there is no telanganism in people,i always support telangana and many people like me who wants telangana but we were looking for a good leader,most of us didnt trust kcr,mostly because of the media projection,so i choose to vote for congress who i thought better than TRS leader,not only that many of the telanganites were not sure exactly what happend to telangana,it takes some time for people to realise,even india started its revolt in 1857,but as people started to understand,they become part of the movement.
    2004 or 2009 Every almost every wanted telangana,but they were worridwho to vote since they dont trust kcr and every body says they are ok for telangana,how would people in village know what is src,when you tell them they are trying for telanagna thats all they care.
    there only part who said united andhra thats cpm,it has only 1 or 2 seats in telangana.

    anyway reality you shouldnt think what you belive is true,always beleive what you know is true.

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  17. Regarding both TDP and Congress supporting Telangana...

    We all know of the phrase 'In letter and spirit'. I dont want to argue on the semantics of whats mentioned in party manifestos and that discussion is done to death.
    How can you claim the party allegeince to separate Telangana when we have one party leader who, right after elections in 2009 in Telangana, opposes separation in a public meeting? And then there is the other party leader who silently scuttled it when BJP wanted to bring it in parliament?

    You guys just want to stick to your deluded interpretations. Why else would you repeat this in every post of yours when the spirit of separate Telangana was clearly never there in both the major parties?

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  18. Prashant,

    Give super majority to TRS or any single agenda party (TJAC? / NTPP :P) next time and democratically claim Telangana. There is no point in discussing referendums!
    Congress and TDP cannot do justice to separatists.

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  19. @realFan

    I totally agree with you,there was never a spirit in these parties(congress and tdp),but most people were ignorant to notice that,even if some people know they dont have that spirit,the had no other choice,anyway its not what you think matters its what you say to public matters.

    i bet people are not going to make such a mistake from now,since awareness has increased so much and also true colors of these parties have become obvious and apparent.

    and regarding TDP,we know cbn opposed it in 2000,but when he says he is ok for telangana in 2009,innocent people were not smart like you and me to think he is just playing political games,people thought he might have understood the necessity or people desire.

    anyway people belive in what they want to belive in.

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  20. @ Anonymous

    //you should agree with sujai it increased rapidly after 1969 movement,which totally makes sense,//

    During the 1960s there were naxal movements throught out the country. Srikakulam movement showed AP ,what naxalism was , rest of troubled areas caught on to that. May be telangana movement also had some impact , but that was not the major reason like sujai claims.

    //when andhra separated from madras for a simple reason self respect//

    Andhra separated from Madras on the issue of language not self respect. This was in line with earlier resolutions passed in 1930s by congress regarding 'linguistic states'. It was only Nehrus dilly dallying that caused Potti to take it up as a movement.

    //we dont want your vizag or tirupati,all we want is our telangana.//

    There in lies the real catch dear brother, when we separate we have to divide assets in proportion. Telangana cannot stake a 100% claim on Hyd which was developed by combined taxes from all regions.
    You have to share Hyd with us or pay a adequate package for our opportunity loss.

    //our leaders are mere puppets infront of your leaders like cbn or ysr stc..//

    Do you know about PJR ? He was a strong contender for CM post in 1999 along with YSR. But congress didnt win then. But by 2004 YSR pulled ahead of PJR by his padayatra and other political gimmicks. Now was there a conspiracy to cut down Telangana PJR , or is it just that seema YSR worked more , i leave that to you.

    //please dont provoke telangites,you might create animosity.//

    My posts are nothing when compared to the venom and hatred spewed by Sujai.

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  21. @ Bidda

    Your abuses show your emotional state. Get a grip on yourself.

    //And... please tell us... what exactly is the Congress-way???//

    Earlier it was consensus , now it is SKC.

    //This statement you just made... boils the blood of ANY sane person who has visited a funeral of one such suicide case... ANY person who saw yadaiah scream Jai Telangana running away from help...//

    I said majority of suicides. I didnt say every suicide. Also it was your TRS leader Harish rao who showed the way by pouring colour water (to look like petrol) and sending a message that suicides are the only way to achieve Telangana.

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  22. @ Prasanth

    //A referendum in Telangana on the Telangana issue? Are you guys up for it? //

    Sure ,if you agree to a similar referendum in Hyd also.

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  23. /// We should not fear it when Naxalites endorse Telangana. We should use this occasion to make sure they give up their violent methods and join the mainstream. That is the right way to solve Naxalism in this region.//

    Perfect analysis...good job bro.

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  26. @reality

    so you justify divison by language not by self respect?

    so if you think divison by langauge makes sense,why dont it make sense to you when we say division by our culture,since we are thinking our culurue like the way you thought about language.

    anyways langauge and self respect are co related,telugus thought they were not given enough importance or justice to them.

    you left my rajamundry example,because you have no answer to that.


    about your hyd claim,im not a fool to claim hyd for telangana,i never said,i will never say it belongs to only telangana people,seemadhra peope have a legl share in hyd,that hyd issue has to be disscussed and sorted out.

    thats what im saying you simply believe what you think is true,act on what you know is true.

    about PJR example,you may or may not be right,i was talking about majority of our ap politics,i bet you know this too, in ap politis whoever has money has more influence,and you know who has more money and who can influence more.

    just for a sec think about it,
    why would all of our Tstudents,doctors,lawyers,farmers,profesors,intellectuals,praja sangaalu,women,minorites are working by forming JAC.
    do you think they simply follow kcr's path by not thinking what is true.

    im still saying one thing,development in telangana is not how people from seemandhra think it is..its the people of telangana should decide..

    most of the telanganites feels offended by your comments,becauase almost every telanganite is fighting for telangana,do you think everybody is a fool to do so.

    why would we fight for a state when we are happy in AP.

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  27. Naxalism emerged in Telangana to fight against DORAS.

    are you sure? I thought they fought with DORAs after joining, but they didn't join because of DORAs in the first place.

    Nice try bringing the caste angle.

    That was always Andhra's weapon, sorry for using it. ...heehhaaaa

    Or is that you want only the backward sections to become maoists ?

    Its like money found a fruit. You will keep discussing this one line statement from Sujai's post for next few days.

    Didnt i say earlier that the Doras and elites of Telangana will use the backward section people as pawns in their games ?

    Like Andhra fools are working for Lavadapati.

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  28. @ Bidda

    //
    How many times will you blame us for suicides of our own people? When will you look at the fingers pointing at YOU?//

    Till the time you stop glorifying suicides ,i will keep blaming telangana fanatics for the suicides.

    //and think about the helplessness and the hopelessness felt by the poor farmers and their kids in this whole suicide-episode. //

    I have a lot of sympathy for all the people who died , i wish they would have thought of their families before taking extreme steps , but point is emotions of a few cannot decide the fate of crores of people.

    //Even if ONE... just ONE of those suicides was for Telangana, you have blood in your hands realty. //

    Do you know that about 30 people committed suicide for united andhra? Is their blood on your hands Bidda ?

    (Also it is the wife of a teacher who committed suicide for united ap who has now filed a case against SKC in SC )

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  29. //U trusted congress more than TRS?//

    Yes, we all hate KCR. That's why we burned his effigies in OU.

    //Hindutva movement was not anti-national like maoist movement.//

    You need to learn where to stop comparing. All he trying to say is all white liquid is not milk.

    //If u have an iota of nationalism, u will not justify naxalism in ANY way. //

    Where did he juistified naxalism?

    //We all know whose side MIM is on.//

    Did he secreatly called you? They said they will tell there stand infront of SriKrishna committee.

    //We can deal with naxalism with iron hand if this is ur threat to join naxalite movement//

    So, you love/push to see your beloved brother to join the naxal (we are your brothers in your opinion, correct?)

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  30. @reality

    these are approximates. from wikipedia and some other sites..

    do you think referendum in hyd do not favour T?.

    lets take the population statistics in greater hyd..(nearly 80 lakhs)

    telanganites are 65+ lakhs
    40+ lakhs+ hindus&others
    25+ lakhs+ muslims approx

    settlers(inculding andhra,seema and rest of india) apporx 15 lakhs+

    let me guess what do they support?
    ............Telangana..........

    Hyderabad is always the center for telaagana battles buddy..
    look at the history..

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  31. //Why do you glorify suicides ? //

    So when ever some one talks about suicides that means they are glorifying.

    //Why don't you write a blog on how wrong a suicide is and discourage people from doing it //

    Why don't you try writing, instead of asking others?

    //News is that Kavita from TRS is incharge of this suicide count business.//

    News is that Lagadapati sending one crore to each town in Andhra to do United Andhra movement.

    We too can make such base less statements.

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  32. Actually, it is a very simple solution. DIvide Andhra into three regions, make Hyderabad as common capital for the next 20 years. Let Andhra and Sema identify their own capitals and provide enough resources to build their capitals in the meantime. After 20 years, Hyd belongs to Telangana.

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  33. @ Anonymous

    Your figures are totally messed up. Muslims are around 40 lakhs and settlers are another 30 lakhs . And muslims feel that andhras have been more fair to them than telangana hindus and andhra hindus dont have any historical grudge against muslims unlike telangana hindus.

    Anyway my stand remains same. Check your figures once again.

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  34. //Congress and TDP cannot do justice to separatists.//

    Well said, we learned this lesson in hard way.


    By the way who ever asking that there is no Telangana demand because TRS lost, answer me this following.

    Immediately after the 'Jai Andhra' movement/Presidential rule, the main leader of Jai Andhra movement, Goutu Lacchanna was lost the elections with difference 25,000 votes. Does is mean Andhra people do not want separate Andhra state and ran the movement for so long for time pass?

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  35. @ Anonymous

    //you left my rajamundry example,because you have no answer to that.//

    I have no idea whether that is true or not. Our stand is clear ,andhra movement was not based on exploitation or self respect etc ,it was based on linguistic states. Same stand was then taken by SRC to form more states in the country. Andhra was the pioneer of linguistic states.

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  36. //Sure ,if you agree to a similar referendum in Hyd also.//

    Then you will be busted, HYD will be individual, Telangana gets the surrounding of HYD including the airport and other places which merged into it. And Andhra is the final looser......

    And you put the same referendum in North Andhra and Seema, they go on there separate way. hehehah...heha...

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  37. @ Green

    //Immediately after the 'Jai Andhra' movement/Presidential rule, the main leader of Jai Andhra movement, Goutu Lacchanna was lost the elections with difference 25,000 votes. Does is mean Andhra people do not want separate Andhra state and ran the movement for so long for time pass?//

    May be he lost because of his failure to achieve separate andhra or for being the signatory to 'gentlemens agreement' or for compromsing with Indira and accepting that andhras have no right to work in their own state capital .

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  38. From Sam:

    Let Sujai and other T-separatists be in delusion between cause and effect.

    Hail Sujai, the next JaiShankar.

    I foresee more turmoil and confused days ahead for the whole region with demogagoues like JaiShankar, KCR..

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  39. //Actually, it is a very simple solution. DIvide Andhra into three regions, make Hyderabad as common capital for the next 20 years. Let Andhra and Sema identify their own capitals and provide enough resources to build their capitals in the meantime. After 20 years, Hyd belongs to Telangana.//


    This all can happen if they come out of that United Andhra Band crap movement.

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  40. Estimated HYD population in 2010 40,68,611

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_India

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  41. //May be he lost because of his failure to achieve separate andhra//


    Well, same can be used for TRS.

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  42. @reality

    " May be he lost because of his failure to achieve separate andhra or for being the signatory to 'gentlemens agreement' or for compromsing with Indira and accepting that andhras have no right to work in their own state capital . "


    You have zero logical deduction capabilities. Dont you ? LOL...Greenstar was asking why T-movement's credibility is all the time linked to TRS. You give a reasoning explaining why Jai Andhra leader lost in elections. First relax and understand what we are asking. You and your illlogical reasoning are as fake as your Samaikyandhra crap. Unbelivable !

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  43. @ Green

    Jai andhra leaders didnt go with the slogan of separate andhra to elections ,while TRS went to elections with separate Telangana slogan. thats the difference between both defeats

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  44. @Reality

    " Jai andhra leaders didnt go with the slogan of separate andhra to elections ,while TRS went to elections with separate Telangana slogan. thats the difference between both defeats "

    Jai andhra or whatever didnt have alliances when they contested whereas TRS unfortunately went into alliance with parties that were FOR telangana and hence the votes were SPLIT

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  45. From Sam:
    Cross posting someone else's statement from a different blog
    ==================================
    Now some 1500 "lawyers" are visiting Delhi for agitation for Telangana. This made me remember in the year 1993 there was a demend from Costal Andhra that a High Court bench be given in Costal Andhra. It was felt that litigents are facing lot of problems for going to Hyderabad and most of the litigations are in fact from costal and rayalaseema and these two areas will be better served with HIgh Court benches. The courts were bandh for some 6 months period. There were relay hunger things etc. But the same was opposed by High Court advocates in Hyderabad that High Court can not be divided and openly telling their income will be redused drastically. That agitation failed. Even after that there is always some talk for asking for benches. Now the same Hyderabad advocates want a saparate state becaue most of the income now comming from Hyderabad and they do not want to share their income from advocates from other areas. Interesting thing.
    =========================

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  46. Reality, we all know how much bookish knowledge you have.
    Your bibles are GA,nallmottu and Wikipedia.
    I wonder your a guy who studied under some management quota.

    All this guy googled "Muslim population in Hyderabad" and claiming it as 40 lakhs.
    Look at this video and listen to Oasi, he talks about Muslim population. Till that time you keep your nine holes closed
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDBApnTtki4

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  47. "I foresee more turmoil and confused days ahead for the whole region with demogagoues like.."
    What's the secret of your power of clairvoyance!!!

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  48. From Sam:
    >Actually, it is a very simple solution. DIvide Andhra into three regions, make Hyderabad as common capital for the next 20 years. Let Andhra and Sema identify their own capitals and provide enough resources to build their capitals in the meantime. After 20 years, Hyd belongs to Telangana.

    Good start.
    Why only two new capitals ?
    Why can't Telangana make a capital in Warangal/Karimnagar (or some other city)..

    So every region is on equal =equal basis.

    Hyderabad will be a separate city state (Hyd is bigger than Singapore).

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  49. Green_Star:
    "Yes, we all hate KCR. That's why we burned his effigies in OU."

    The question is what did the congress do to earn more credibility from u for Telangana? Did PVNarsimha Rao or any Telangana politician do anything to give u separate state? Why do u trust Congress more than TRS or BJP who said they will give u Telangana?

    "You need to learn where to stop comparing. All he trying to say is all white liquid is not milk."

    You need to realize that u guys are willing to include naxalites and maoist leaders in ur movement and DO NOT realize its implications on national security and terrorism. Sujai and u guys are supporting involvement of maoists to gain ur selfish and parochial ends. Condemn and dis-associate with these terrorists UNEQUIVOCALLY and STOP playing to their tunes, raising their bogey in these agitations. Naxalites have long shown that they DO NOT care about the ideology and are willing to mislead poor and needy people to bolster their anti-national activities.

    U guys should avoid internet and join these naxals who will show u how to achieve Telangana state. U do NOT seem to trust Indian society and political system. U guys believe naxals grew in strength because Telangana was not given. Will terrorists stop if they are given free society? NO... same case with maoists and naxalites. They use soft targets like ur minds to attack Indian society. We Indians will do EVERYTHING in our strength to use our ARMY and MILITARY to crush u.

    "Did he secreatly called you? They said they will tell there stand infront of SriKrishna committee."

    Dude... before living in fools paradise, watch this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKnR8RGl4wM&feature=player_embedded
    Akbaruddin has clearly said in Assembly that they support united Andhra and protect the interests of United Andhra. U guys did not even have ba**s to implement ur bandhs in old city NOR have courage to demand their resignations. Go there with ur atmagauravam bogey and they will give u fitting reply. Ur leader KCR trying to buy muslims with 15% reservations is a cruel joke on Indian politics and a SLAP on ur face IF U CONSIDER URSELF A MAINSTREAM INDIAN.

    "So, you love/push to see your beloved brother to join the naxal (we are your brothers in your opinion, correct?)"
    We want you to be a mainstream Indian rather than al-qaeda associate or naxalite or maoist. Terrorists always justify or glorify some imperfections in society. As an educated person using internet and other means that civilized societies like India, US have developed, u r free to choose ur path. We as Indians know how to deal with naxalites AND terrorists who want to disintegrate India and establish an alternative socety where civilized society and free enterprise cannot sustain. U r beloved and brother as long as u consider urself mainstream Indian. The moment u play the separatist role under the garb of atmagauravam or other noble caauses that tramples on Indian unity and integrity, u will be out of our loop. It is not my country that has to decide, it is u as current member of civilized society have to decide if u want to spend rest of ur lives in forests or with ur family pursuing the opportunities free society has to offer.

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  51. //Jai andhra leaders didnt go with the slogan of separate andhra to elections/

    Your explanations is a crap according to Jai Andhra agitator initiator Madala Janakiram and friend of Goutu Lacchanna.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4K-bgWhuo0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_Pj0o65TE

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  52. "I foresee more turmoil and confused days ahead for the whole region with demogagoues like.."
    What's the secret of your power of clairvoyance!!!

    Now they are like tigers who tasted blood (in terrorizing businesses and maybe deriving pleasure in being king makers to decide about who should stay, who should be repatriated from Hyd, which patients should be treated or not(andhra patients will not be treated by Telangana doctors), who will be allowed to travel into city or not (sankranthi threats..)

    They probably get too much pleasure in this, just like some mafia dons do..

    How can they give up..
    Imagine if some of these thugs get into power..

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  54. @reality

    greater hyd population is around
    80 lakhs..

    you are saying 40 lakh muslims,30 lakh settlers,so remaining 10 lakhs telangana? what a good joke?
    and you claim they dont support telangana,did you see muslim garjana?

    so for these 10 lakh voters 8 mlas and 3 mps of hyd support telangana and were ready to resign?

    so when you have such a huge majority why cant you even do a single protest for united ap?

    not even 1 protest?
    even telangana settlers front,headed by srinivas raju,your boss,he openly supports telangana.
    everybody(andhra's) is scared enough to piss in their pants to hold a meeting.

    dont simply write bullshit..

    the actual hyd population is 40 lakhs without greater hyd,out of 40 lakhs 40% are muslims..rest of the greater is from nalgonda,medak,mahboobnagar.

    just think once why did danam nagender changed his stand,that stupid thought like you did,after comming into reality he changed his stand

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  55. Sam:
    ">Actually, it is a very simple solution. DIvide Andhra into three regions, make Hyderabad as common capital for the next 20 years. Let Andhra and Sema identify their own capitals and provide enough resources to build their capitals in the meantime. After 20 years, Hyd belongs to Telangana.

    Good start.
    Why only two new capitals ?
    Why can't Telangana make a capital in Warangal/Karimnagar (or some other city)..

    So every region is on equal =equal basis.

    Hyderabad will be a separate city state (Hyd is bigger than Singapore)."

    This would be expensive and it would not solve the problem of underdevelopment in several areas of the state. Telangana, if given, statehood, will continue to have underdevelopment (just like other states) under the present political setup as most of the funds will be used around Hyderabad and Warangal. Those who are asking for separate state are in a pipedream that all areas of telangana will flourish. But, going by the leaders we have, I do not trust them to resolve irrigation and energy problems in Adilabad, mahboobnagar etc. With less budget and energy resources, most of the resources will be consumed around hyderabad, rangareddy districts. Thats my main complaint with separate state.

    The solution is to move towards district and city governance model where each district and city municipality gets budget to take care of development tasks and they are responsible to show how they are being used. Some cross-district projects get partially funded and managed by center and state so that bigger scale projects can be handled efficiently. This is the only way to handle underdevelopment in all regions of the state. It will also take care of govt jobs for locals.
    when In fact, the reasonable solution would be to

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  56. @ Anonymous

    //even telangana settlers front,headed by srinivas raju,your boss,he openly supports telangana.
    everybody(andhra's) is scared enough to piss in their pants to hold a meeting.//

    Settlers are threatened with violence if they dont say such things.

    Yeah ,we are scared to hold a meeting in hyd. Keep scaring us more and our brothers and leaders in Andhra will be more determined to save us from u thugs.

    I am refering to greater hyd. If it comes to referendum it should be in entire greater hyd.

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  57. //You need to realize that u guys are willing to include naxalites and maoist leaders in ur movement and DO NOT realize its implications on national security and terrorism.//

    And what evidence you have to say this? nothing. Even SC busted the state govt saying they don't agree that naxals are involved in this.

    //The question is what did the congress do to earn more credibility from u for Telangana?//

    Didn't congress said, they only can give Telangana but not TRS or TDP in there election campaign?
    http://www.thehindu.com/2009/02/13/stories/2009021350230100.htm

    //Sujai and u guys are supporting involvement of maoists to gain ur selfish and parochial ends.//

    It looks funny to see that you Andhras keep talk about Naxals in our movement and can not show any evidence.... You are coward to face us with proper argument, you always argue without any proofs, you are always coward to do a gentlemen debate.

    //U guys should avoid internet and join these naxals//

    You guys should leave then internet and form a inter state thief gang to loot, that way you can loot more than this white collar looting.

    //EVERYTHING in our strength to use our ARMY and MILITARY to crush u. //

    Best of luck in your own Andhra state. Do what ever you want..

    //Ur leader KCR trying to buy muslims//

    And he successfully bought and conducted a grand meeting in Nizam grounds with laks of muslims support with Jamaat-e-Islami Hind.

    We conducted our human chain through the old city with Muslims.

    Dude... before living in fools paradise, you need to get the proofs about the naxals involvement.

    //As an educated person using internet and other means that civilized societies like India, US have developed, u r free to choose ur path.//

    But not the 'choose to loot path'

    //It is not my country that has to decide, it is u as current member of civilized society have to decide if u want to spend rest of ur lives in forests or with ur family pursuing the opportunities free society has to offer.//

    Its not mine either.

    I think India learned some lesson from East Pakistan(Bangladesh) and even though it is late India will take correct decision.

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  58. Telangana:
    "Anna... this is what we need from you anna. Hate us. Keep hating us... till each one of us voluntarily ends our lives anna.

    And then, sit in your AC rooms and feel good about yourselves and how you protected "national integrity" by crushing us.

    YOU DUMB IDIOT!!!

    FORMATION OF NEW STATES IS NOT ANTI-NATIONAL.

    NO ONE HERE IS DEFENDING USE OF FORCE OR PROPOSING MAOISM TO ACHIEVE TELANGANA.

    A detailed report on why Naxalism crops and what feeds it will tell you what Sujai wrote here.

    No one in Telangana WANTS to become naxalite.

    You, Your leaders, your govt. and your media is projecting the Telangana people as maoists... because we are asking for our state.

    How long will you continue this smear campaign against us? Till each one of us dies in disgust?"

    Government of India representing the people of India has heard ALL sides and has setup a committee to look into Telanagan issue. Before finding fault with the government, LOOK INSIDE U, U DUMB IDIOT. No one forced u to elect jacka** leaders that u elected that DO NOT have commitment to anything. U elect incompetent leaders to represent u and then, U rant about not trusting ANY party, leader etc. U bring city and state governance to standstill, drive companies and private jobs out putting some crap out that u lost negligible govt jobs etc etc. All ur actions are leading to opportunities for terrorists and maoists to destabilize India. Tomorrow, god forbid, if there is a terrorist strike in Hyd, because police were busy managing agitations, who is responsible?? If some company decides not to open office in Hyd, who is responsible?

    Is there a limit to agitations/destabilization? Don't u have any responsibility towards India?? Is central govt supposed to give u state when someone self-immolates? Do u support same tactics for mandal commission and any other reservations/new states? U force leaders to resign to bring 'govt to knees' to do what?? By bringing 'govt to knees', u r denigrating the Indian democracy and ur responsibility towards society.

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  59. //Now they are like tigers who tasted blood (in terrorizing businesses and maybe deriving pleasure in being king makers to decide about who should stay, who should be repatriated from Hyd, which patients should be treated or not(andhra patients will not be treated by Telangana doctors), who will be allowed to travel into city or not (sankranthi threats..)//


    Boring.........

    Next please...

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  60. Did somebody notice that when reality doesnt have answers to questions posed by other commentors he very cleverly ignores them and goes back to his repeated slander of telanganaites threating them....blah blah blah. This provokes us and the discussion takes a different direction....HOW CLEVER !!!

    Refer to the immediate previous post of his (above mine)

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  61. //most of the funds will be used around Hyderabad and Warangal.//

    How do you say that? Own thinking?

    In 2008 HYD city income is around 9000 crores, and Govt spent around 850 crores in HYD for various developments.

    I don't understand why HYD needs much of the funds?

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  62. //Settlers are threatened with violence if they dont say such things. //

    If a Telangana guy participates = Naxal
    If a Andhraite participates = Forced.

    And Srinivas Raju, called Reality to tell the truth. The same way Lagadapati forced/threaten the 'Reality' to work for United Andhra.

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  63. Oh Unreal ,you busted me ,what should i do ?

    Just like your T commentators pick and choose comments , i also do the same. Your comments didnt even deserve a reply ,so i ignored them.

    Did it hurt your pride ? please dont cry and call me a andhra supremacist.

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  64. //Settlers are threatened with violence if they dont say such things. //

    I wish we do the same with Lagadapati to end all these problems. Hhehahahe..

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  65. //I am refering to greater hyd. If it comes to referendum it should be in entire greater hyd//

    Why you see Greater HYD a distenct place in Telangana, if you want conduct in HYD, that's okey, but not in Greater HYD.

    Same way we should conduct in North Andhra and Seema. They also go on there way, hehhea....so much for United band

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  66. //LOOK INSIDE U, U DUMB IDIOT//

    He lost his temper, good sign for us that he losing the debate.

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  67. Green_Star:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Maoist-link-to-Telangana-protests-Govt-issues-warning/H1-Article1-511188.aspx

    Excerpt: The Home Ministry has issued a warning saying that Maoists have infiltrated the Telangana protests, using the agitation to infuse violence in Andhra Pradesh. Salve insisted that the authorities have enough video evidence to prove that the agitation was not student-driven as projected by the protagonists of the movement.

    So, u want to contradict me and the union govt?

    "//The question is what did the congress do to earn more credibility from u for Telangana?//

    Didn't congress said, they only can give Telangana but not TRS or TDP in there election campaign?
    http://www.thehindu.com/2009/02/13/stories/2009021350230100.htm"

    So what stopped them before 2000 and after 2000? Once bitten, twice shy, still willing to sleep with them??

    "It looks funny to see that you Andhras keep talk about Naxals in our movement and can not show any evidence.... You are coward to face us with proper argument, you always argue without any proofs, you are always coward to do a gentlemen debate."
    Above link proves who is a coward to talk. U selectively choose the news to bark the same repititive crap.

    "Best of luck in your own Andhra state. Do what ever you want.."
    It will be all over India any naxal sympathizers notwithstanding... Please come out of ur narrow mindset. Did you NOT pledge in school that u will be a loyal citizen to the country and think about the national interests, rather than a fantasy land called Telangana where only milk and honey flows.

    "And he successfully bought and conducted a grand meeting in Nizam grounds with laks of muslims support with Jamaat-e-Islami Hind."
    They do not have political power. MIM talks and u just keep it shut. I dare you to protest in old city.

    "But not the 'choose to loot path'

    U r prepared to 'sacrifice' other people businesses forcibly executing bandhs etc on poor people in Hyd and Telanagana districts. Who is looting whom? who lost business and property during these agittaions and who is responsible for them?

    "I think India learned some lesson from East Pakistan(Bangladesh) and even though it is late India will take correct decision."
    What are you talking about? East Pakistan was a masterstroke that is India's major foreign policy achievement. I am proud of it. I am not sure what u r implying...

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  68. @reality

    According to your hyderabad fantasy population statistics

    10 lakh telanganites are theartning 30 lakh settlers and 40 lakhs muslims(united ap supporters according to you)..and doing all the movement in hyderabad.

    i really wish telanganites have such power.
    medakaya medha thalakaya unnodu evadu ilantivi statements cheppadu,just think about it man..how is it possible to theraten majority and especially majority whos is rich and powerful?

    you are crying in fear of losing hyd,multiplexes,dont worry you can have them in guntur it might take sometime,just be patient..

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  69. Green_Star:
    "//LOOK INSIDE U, U DUMB IDIOT//

    He lost his temper, good sign for us that he losing the debate."

    I repeated what Telangana_Bidda said. Now, who lost the debate? Do u have guts and ba**s to say the same sh*t to ur fellow member.

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  70. "Anonymous said... 46
    Reality, we all know how much bookish knowledge you have.
    Your bibles are GA,nallmottu and Wikipedia.
    I wonder your a guy who studied under some management quota.

    All this guy googled "Muslim population in Hyderabad" and claiming it as 40 lakhs.
    Look at this video and listen to Oasi, he talks about Muslim population. Till that time you keep your nine holes closed
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDBApnTtki4"

    Reeeealyittyyyy - U didnt answer to my question. HOw did you decide muslim population is 40 lakhs when their own leader is saying some other figure

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  71. //DO NOT have commitment to anything.//

    Like your leaders, they accepted for Telangana before the elections, now changed there face.

    //U bring city and state governance to standstill, drive companies and private jobs out putting some crap out that u lost negligible govt jobs etc etc.//

    Thanks man for accepting that you stole our jobs, till now we are keep searching to know how stole them. It is interesting that you want go till the division of the state but do not want to give us back those negligible govt jobs.


    //All ur actions are leading to opportunities for terrorists and maoists to destabilize India.//

    So why don't you step down India lover?

    //because police were busy managing agitations, who is responsible??//

    You, because you just gave this idea to them.

    //If some company decides not to open office in Hyd, who is responsible?//

    You, because you stole our jobs.

    //Is there a limit to agitations/destabilization?//

    Didn't you dragged our state into Presidential rule in 1972?

    //Don't u have any responsibility towards India??//

    Boring.... how do you want us to think about India when you busy looting us?

    //By bringing 'govt to knees', u r denigrating the Indian democracy and ur responsibility towards society.//

    We just learned this trick from you after the Dec-9th statement, but we are not masters like you to use this weapon. Do you have any dummies book about this?

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  72. @ Anonymous

    //you are crying in fear of losing hyd,multiplexes,dont worry you can have them in guntur it might take sometime,just be patient..//

    We will see who will be crying after SKC report comes up . We already showed Andhra power by making the center to go back on its word. Your 10 years movement we crashed with 2 weeks of protests. That is the power of Andhras.

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  73. @reality

    10 years of fight?
    we(people) took this movement into our on dec 1 on dec 9 centre came down and declared telangana..underline declared telangana,on dec 23 govt didnt go back,it said it needs to have consensus to satisfy jealous,crying scumbags like you..who will never agree,govt will understand.

    "me moham medha ummi vesina meru mamalini vadalaru,pandulu aina pothayi pommante kanni seemadhra vallu matram poru,chi me bathukulu"

    meeri pokepothe mimalni poyale cheyadam entha sepu,pranalu thesukovadaniki venukadani vallu theyyadam entha sepu?

    dont provoke us..we will revoke yourlicense to stay in hyd.

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  74. Good reply reality, your real colors r coming. Now stop talking abt united crap. Yes'day you said u want separate T but hyd as UT. Giving the reason "safety for andhra's". Before that post you said We all are united and this is only unemployed politicians movement, you agreed now that it is peoples movement but this time you say people are brain washed .
    Ohhhhh Parduu........ me patnam vaaru ......

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  75. Green_Star:
    I ignore rest of ur crap as u tried to make it fun than a serious discussion. I want to respond to this though:

    "//U bring city and state governance to standstill, drive companies and private jobs out putting some crap out that u lost negligible govt jobs etc etc.//

    Thanks man for accepting that you stole our jobs, till now we are keep searching to know how stole them. It is interesting that you want go till the division of the state but do not want to give us back those negligible govt jobs. "

    I did not say someone stole ur job. I said u guys are bringing the governance to standstill on this pretext. I am not saying the pretext is true. Now, does ur common sense permit u to understand it?

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  76. //HOw did you decide muslim population is 40 lakhs when their own leader is saying some other figure//

    What is the figure quoted by Asad ? give that figure . Anyway only census can confirm what are exact figures ,rest all are estimates.

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  77. Green_Star:
    "Green_Star:
    "//LOOK INSIDE U, U DUMB IDIOT//

    He lost his temper, good sign for us that he losing the debate."

    I repeated what Telangana_Bidda said. Now, who lost the debate? Do u have guts and ba**s to say the same sh*t to ur fellow member."

    Now, what happened? u want to call ur buddy something like 'LOST HIS TEMPER, LOSING THE DEBATE'???

    Now, talk about it dude... r u out of words to share love with ur buddy???

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  78. //Excerpt: The Home Ministry has issued a warning saying that Maoists have infiltrated the Telangana protests, //

    You and your govt make all baseless statements, and SC busted them.
    ఉస్మానియా వర్సిటీలో నక్సలైట్లు ఉన్నారని తాను భావించడం లేదని జస్టిస్‌ సింఘ్వి అన్నారు.
    http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-20-2-2010/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel4.htm

    //So what stopped them before 2000 and after 2000? Once bitten, twice shy, still willing to sleep with them??//
    I didn't get it.

    //Above link proves who is a coward to talk. U selectively choose the news to bark the same repititive crap.//

    See the above eenadu link, you are coward to face our agitation, so you want to do a proxy war by stating us naxals etc.

    //Please come out of ur narrow mindset. //
    Same to you.

    //Did you NOT pledge in school that u will be a loyal citizen to the country and think about the national interests, rather than a fantasy land called Telangana where only milk and honey flows.//

    may be you want to say "Did you NOT pledge in school that u will be a loyal citizen to the country and think about the national interests, rather than a fantasy land called HYD and United Andhra where only milk and honey flows."

    //They do not have political power. MIM talks and u just keep it shut. I dare you to protest in old city.//

    Muslims, including burqa-clad women, supporting the demand for separate Telangana, participated in the human chain at the historic Charminar.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Longest-human-chain-formed-to-demand-Telangana-state/articleshow/5531735.cms
    http://www.simplytelangana.com/2010/02/03/telangana-human-chain-a-huge-success/


    //U r prepared to 'sacrifice' other people businesses forcibly executing bandhs etc//

    You already stole our jobs/funds/water, so you have no right to talk.

    //What are you talking about? East Pakistan was a masterstroke that is India's major foreign policy //

    Hmmm... I need to tell you each of the alphabet. East pakistan was divided from West pakistan because West dominated on East. West treated East as second class citizens. The the reason for Pakistan division was Pakistan itself.

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  79. //Do u have guts and ba**s to say the same sh*t to ur fellow member. //

    Same to you.

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  80. //meeri pokepothe mimalni poyale cheyadam entha sepu,pranalu thesukovadaniki venukadani vallu theyyadam entha sepu?

    dont provoke us..we will revoke yourlicense to stay in hyd.//

    enti raa meeru license icchedi. Eee bedirinplu ki bayapadevadu yevvadu ledu.
    OU naxals ni almost tokkesam. Chusuru gaa OU lo yela Bhaga Bhaga ke maara. In a couple of weeks this movement will be dead ,then SKC will close this movement formally .

    Nee lanti pichhivallu matram jeevitantam andhra vallani chustu kullukuntaru.

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  81. //
    We will see who will be crying after SKC report comes up . We already showed Andhra power by making the center to go back on its word. Your 10 years movement we crashed with 2 weeks of protests. That is the power of Andhras. //

    Well, you proved it. And now losing HYD, good luck with your SKC report and wipe your ass with it..

    hehahaahlhahaa...

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  82. //Well, you proved it. And now losing HYD, good luck with your SKC report and wipe your ass with it.. //

    Loosing Hyd ?? What gives you that idea?

    Our whole fight is for Hyd. We did our fight and got SKC ,now all ppl in andhra are back to their jobs and business. But foolish students in OU are wasting their academic years.

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  83. @ Krishna, realty and others:

    We have seen many Manohar Damarajus and Bhanu Prasads spewing hatred on this blog out of their supremacist attitude.

    We have seen thousands, if not hundreds of 'Anonymous' sniper attacks.

    Then there was a filth element who consistently quoted from nalla-moddu's andhra-bible and Kufr's hate-blog.

    Sujai wants to allow free speech on his blog, even at the cost of being slandered and branded maoists and a ton of other things.

    We have been consistently asking our Andhra brothers a few questions, sharing with them the legitimate concerns in our villages... and all they have is to show us the boochodu (sometimes terrorists and sometimes police-dogs).

    This blog has no political affiliations. Not so far. Not AFAIK from all the posts as well as comments here by the T-supporters. But, you folks don't get tired of laughing at us thinking we are KCR or someone else.

    You don't get tired of trying to divide and conquer. You tell us Muslims are not with us... then u tell us that this campaign is led by Doras...

    Evasive tactics...

    Avoiding the truth facing you...

    Escaping the REAL issues like your god (Jp Narayan the chameleon leader)

    I tried showing you the fallacies in your arguments. You stooped down to personal attacks.

    I tried showing counter-examples to the crap you post here... you spew venom.

    I tried responding with some pity and giving you historical and current facts... you call them lies and move on to vindicating us.

    On the whole... you folks are on a vandalism-campaign.

    So far, I thought a healthy debate may help getting our point across to you.

    But, it is very very clear that you do not come here for a healthy debate.

    I will continue defending the cause of Telangana... but, this war of words with a bunch of morons hell-bent on vandalism is not going anywhere.

    Hence, I will refrain myself from making anymore comments on this blog.

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  84. //Hence, I will refrain myself from making anymore comments on this blog.//

    Let them keep busy here, there we go and grab the Telangana.

    As Gandhi said.

    First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight with you,
    Then you win.

    These first three stages are completed.

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  85. (Not for Anti-Telangana readers)

    PLANNING COMMISSION - GOVERNMENT OF INIDA, REPORT ON ANDHRA PRADESH

    In recent years the plan allocations to the priority sectors such as agriculture, irrigation have been declining from plan to plan. Irrigation sector was neglected during 8th and 9th plan periods. Earlier, governments have made adequate allocations for irrigational projects like Nagarjuna Sagar, Srisailam, 420 TMCs (390 TMCs) Pochampad (90 TMCs) (SRSP) major irrigation projects. These allocations have created assured irrigational facilities to Coastal Andhra leaving Rayalaseema and Telangana regions. This also caused in regional imbalances in the state.

    The increase of electricity charges and gradual withdrawal of subsidies to agricultural sector also increased cost of cultivation unremunerative cultivation. This has led to unrest among the farmers resulting suicide deaths especially in Telangana region.

    The suicide deaths of handloom weavers have become a common feature in Telangana region.

    Literacy rate is relatively high in Coastal Andhra followed by Rayalaseema and Telangana.

    More than 75 percent of canal irrigation in the state is available to Coastal Andhra followed by 17 percent in Telangana 7.5 percent in Rayalaseema. Agricultural development in Telangana and Rayalaseema was neglected. As a result borewell and dugwell irrigation increased significantly. As a result, there was depletion of water table in Telangana and Rayalaseema regions.

    The state is experiencing deceleration of growth rate of agricultural sector and decline of employment in rural areas resulting in exodus of masses to urban areas, particularly from backward districts like Mahabubnagar, Medak, Nalgonda, Warangal, Ananthapur, Chittoor and Vizianagaram. Institutional finance to the agricultural sector has declined and the role of money lenders private finances is still dominant particularly in Telangana and Rayalaseema regions.

    labour households in Telangana and Rayalaseema get very less non-farm employment compared to Coastal Andhra. It is because of backward agriculture and recurring drought conditions.

    The whole situation, we can say that during the last five decades, Telangana and Rayalaseema regions were neglected on irrigation front as a result, agricultural development suffered while Coastal districts have been reaping the benefits of canal irrigation.

    There was state assurance of minimum support price for paddy. This has mostly benefited the big farmers from Coastal Andhra.

    Drought prone districts like Mahabubnagar in Telangana, Ananthapur district in Rayalaseema and Vizianagaram district in Coastal Andhra still remain far behind the developed districts in respect of income, employment and living conditions.



    Source: http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/sereport/ser/std_pattrnAP.pdf

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  86. Realty,
    You are the one who brought so called 40 lakhs Muslim figure. Now your are asking me what is the figure?
    Oka sameta undi. "Telvi takkuva vadini bagu cehyyochhu kaani , moorukudini baagu cheyyalemu ani."

    I also sent you the link to the video to know the figure.Your lazy a*s didnt watch the video, you are hurry in arguing and reading others attacks.Dont just throw some wrong numbers for the sake of argument. Deliberately i didnt mention the figure.
    FYI, Oasi knows the exact figure becos they are contesting there regularly.Any way its waste of time talk to you. You never talk about solution , you always shout blah blah like a belligerent house wife.
    I read all your replies it seems you are a pissed off guy who wetted his pants by T movement. This is my last reply to idiots like you. I was browsing to find solutions to the problems morons like you always keep on alleging each other. You say i am T fyi i am not.I am just a solution seeker settled in Vijayawada.I am concerned abt my friends in HYD.
    Think constructively these all days you were saying united crap, and suddenly in the lost post you showed All andhra as supermacist.You have no right to say that.
    You also say why am not replying the T bidda,sravan or some one. I observed your the most dumbest a..s in the group who keep on replying to all the people.
    Friends, we all are indians then andhra- T. Please talk abt solutions how to avoid the situation. Dont develop hat-redness
    . How can we pacify all the parts of the Andhra. We have to resolve the dead lock and be responsible for future generations.
    I do agree that its a peoples movement. I agree and (all parties and center) also agreed to the injustices done T, but think about solution in an amicable way.

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  87. Green_Star:
    "You and your govt make all baseless statements, and SC busted them.
    ఉస్మానియా వర్సిటీలో నక్సలైట్లు ఉన్నారని తాను భావించడం లేదని జస్టిస్‌ సింఘ్వి అన్నారు.
    http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-20-2-2010/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel4.htm"

    u r lying. SC did not bust, it asked for evidence:
    http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/23/sc-asks-ap-govt-to-prove-maoists-inflitration-ou.html

    If u believe naxalites and maoists will not take advantage of volatile and gullible atmosphere, u r drunk, lost ur mind or living in fantasy land - plain and simple. U r a proof to it.

    "//So what stopped them before 2000 and after 2000? Once bitten, twice shy, still willing to sleep with them??//
    I didn't get it."

    u said, only congress said it can give telangana and u believed them. I asked u what is the basis of that belief, they did not do anything till 2000 or after 2000 in terms of process to create telangana to create that belief even though they made some references to in the manifesto. Even after repeated elections and not doing anything, why did u trust cong more than trs/bjp?

    "See the above eenadu link, you are coward to face our agitation, so you want to do a proxy war by stating us naxals etc. "

    see the above link. u r a coward to admit that my country's enemies will not advantage of this unstanble, volatile, divisive atmosphere in the state.

    "may be you want to say "Did you NOT pledge in school that u will be a loyal citizen to the country and think about the national interests, rather than a fantasy land called HYD and United Andhra where only milk and honey flows." "

    I am not naive or romantic revolutionary or maoist to think that a separate state will solve the unemloyment, underdevelopment etc. Maoists think a separate state will be hospitable and conducive to their agenda and u r playing to their tunes by sympathizing with them and not dissociating with them.


    "Muslims, including burqa-clad women, supporting the demand for separate Telangana, participated in the human chain at the historic Charminar.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Longest-human-chain-formed-to-demand-Telangana-state/articleshow/5531735.cms
    http://www.simplytelangana.com/2010/02/03/telangana-human-chain-a-huge-success/"

    If u believe that, u will also realize nothing moves in old city without MIM. Criticize MIM publicly and see what it does to u and ur ilk. U shud be ashamed of buying them in luring with 15% reservation. U do not care about social tensions coming with it, right? U probably have job and have all reservations to give from ur pocket to muslims, madigas etc... This KCR has done all despicable things like praising Nizam, offering 15% reservations and u guys want to bring him to power to rule the state.

    "You already stole our jobs/funds/water, so you have no right to talk."
    So, does that justify ur actions for calling bandhs and looting ur T-brother's business, academic careers, job opportunities? Water is going from up to down. u have all the right to stop it. U do not store it and complain. U do not study well and complain about lost job. Who stole ur funds? Do u have any evidence? look at KCR and his family. He is from Telangana and see how much wealth he amassed. How did Nagam became a doctor? Ask him if someone stole his job or his funds.

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  88. //Dont develop hat-redness
    . How can we pacify all the parts of the Andhra. We have to resolve the dead lock and be responsible for future generations.//

    I and many of us are welcomeing such healthy debate.

    This will be solved only when Andhra stop there United Andhra movement and start talking constructively. Like Andhra can demand for common capital for some time or shared revenue for some time or policies about using water etc (like N. Sagar is in Telangana but canals goes to Andhra and we need to get an agreement about how it use it). There is much to talk if Andhra okeys to Telangana.

    In my opinion, in current Congress govt you can do much bargaining with central, but if for some political reason BJP is in central, you do not have much luck in bargaining. And more over as long as this division postpones, Andhra's new capital also postpones and you loose few years to build the infrastructure in new capital.

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  89. Green_Star:
    "Let them keep busy here, there we go and grab the Telangana.

    As Gandhi said.

    First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight with you,
    Then you win.

    These first three stages are completed."

    The same logic applied to samaikhyandhra too... United India, United Andhra Pradesh, Power to Local Governments. Down with Separatism!!! Down with Regional Hatred!!!!

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  90. @Reality

    There in lies the real catch dear brother, when we separate we have to divide assets in proportion. Telangana cannot stake a 100% claim on Hyd which was developed by combined taxes from all regions.
    You have to share Hyd with us or pay a adequate package for our opportunity loss.


    Absurd. If what you say is true then Telangana people also paid taxes to Vizag, Vijayawada, Tirupati. In a combined state taxes can be contributed to any region. I don't understand the logic that all tax money is being spent in Hyderabad and nothing spent in other cities. Very Totally absurd statement

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  91. Green_Star:
    "I and many of us are welcomeing such healthy debate.

    This will be solved only when Andhra stop there United Andhra movement and start talking constructively. Like Andhra can demand for common capital for some time or shared revenue for some time or policies about using water etc (like N. Sagar is in Telangana but canals goes to Andhra and we need to get an agreement about how it use it). There is much to talk if Andhra okeys to Telangana.

    In my opinion, in current Congress govt you can do much bargaining with central, but if for some political reason BJP is in central, you do not have much luck in bargaining. And more over as long as this division postpones, Andhra's new capital also postpones and you loose few years to build the infrastructure in new capital."

    Ends do NOT justify means. Let us bring governance back to normal. Cooperate with the commission and let us see where it leads. Meanwhile, let us keep away extremist elements trying to bring instability with bandhs, suicides etc that can only weaken out internal security and create further divisions among people.

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  92. @ krishna

    Down with Regional Hatred!!!!

    Good! You are the only one here with political affiliations and agendas! Sold your soul to JP or what?

    You can start your "no regional hatred" by ending your hatred for us.

    Anna... memu manushulam. Tattukoleka aatma-hatya chesukuntunnam.

    Aatma vanchana cesukokandi... nijam gelichedaaka memu munduku saagutamu.

    Truth may get lonely... but, Truth wins.

    Satyameva Jayate.

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  93. @krishna


    First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight with you,
    Then you win


    The above logic perfectly applies to Telangana movement.

    When I talked about Telangana history and movement my andhra friends ridiculed and laughed at me and said Telangana word itself is very weird.

    I think I consider Telangana movement to be winner as it has come to this point even when all Andhras didn't know anything about the history and now atleast they know the history. I never imagined this that Telangana movement would become so powerful.

    All my andhra friends used to laugh about state separation whenever the discussion came up.

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  94. //u r drunk, lost ur mind or living in fantasy land - plain and simple. U r a proof to it.//

    Same to you.

    //SC did not bust, it asked for evidence://

    Those evidence are in your wonderland. Its funny, they argue infront of Supreme court judge without showing the evidence. Dumb asses. ..

    //why did u trust cong more than trs/bjp?//

    We are like that from the beginning, if we have that much brain then we should have kicked your ass before/after the merge.

    //u r a coward to admit//
    Same to you. You are coward to implement GO610, you are coward to read Girglaini report.


    //I am not naive or romantic revolutionary or maoist to think that a separate state will solve the unemloyment, underdevelopment etc//

    And you think combined state has much more area to loot.

    //Maoists think a separate state will be hospitable and conducive to their agenda and u r playing to their tunes by sympathizing with them and not dissociating with them.//

    And just now we realized that those Moists are Andhras and they planned this before the merge.

    //Criticize MIM publicly and see what it does to u and ur ilk.//

    Criticizing is Andhras way. Not ours. And you are not able to digest that we conducted human chain through the old city. hehehahhaehe...

    //U shud be ashamed of buying them in luring with 15% reservation.//

    Like you ashamed when buying them with 5%

    //U do not care about social tensions coming with it, right?//

    Have you thought the same when you are looting?

    //This KCR has done all despicable things like praising Nizam, offering 15% reservations and u guys want to bring him to power to rule the state.//

    Keep going, kick the KCR ass, I am with you.

    //Water is going from up to down. u have all the right to stop it. U do not store it and complain.//

    We will do it in our own state, in combined state you are spending all money in your area only.

    //U do not study well and complain about lost job. Who stole ur funds? Do u have any evidence?//

    Mr. DumbAss, read the GO610 and Girglaini commission report.

    //look at KCR and his family. He is from Telangana and see how much wealth he amassed. How did Nagam became a doctor? Ask him if someone stole his job or his funds. //

    And what about the Lagadapati with his thousunds of crores? What about your MP Jagan and his housefull of money, where did they get it? Looting?


    And finally, I concluded that our old 'Reality' is new 'Krishna'. Same crap in new bottle. No replying back.

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  95. @krishna

    i agree with you for the fact that bandhs and attacks are very bad for the state.

    but regarding jobs..

    let me dig the history for you little bit..

    when andhra telangana merged Nehru said "thi merger would be tint of imperialistic expanisionism"..

    the reason is british ruled andhra is much developed than nizam ruled telangana,obvioulsy andhra was much developed than telangana pripor to 1956,now if you merge such states obvioulsy andhrites will dominate because they had good education and wealth and they prospered well when compared to T's in nizam.

    so we had to commit to agreement(gentlements agreement), to bring up telangana people,but we broke all the agreements, safeguards to protect telanganites.

    you know our ap politics stream or whatever stream,you get into some position,you bring you son,your brother,your sister,you caste people,thats how total ap is first occupied by andhrites since they had good education and power,and thier relatives continue to inherit,where as telanganites continue to stay in the lower positions..

    you said we dont study well,if you look at ssc results every year since last 5 years or so..you will atleast see 6 telangana districts in top 10,im saying this as a proud owner of school in telangana.

    its in the govt sector,and key positions where recomendation and money matters,thats where we lag behind..everybody knows this fact in india..

    anyway please dont underule us saysingwe cant study well,we dont store water,its the innocence of our people that has been exploited...

    do you since trs started singing telangana form 2000,there has been 8 new lift irrigation projects in telangana,govts agree injustice happend in telangana.

    Ntr passed 610 g0 to compensate injustice happend in telanagan.

    YSR agreed injustice happend in telangana and promised several projects in 2004 election campaign.

    everybody knows it happend,i wonder how people still try to debate this.

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  96. Telangana_Bidda:
    "Good! You are the only one here with political affiliations and agendas! Sold your soul to JP or what?"

    U said in the other blog about JP. JP said the same thing consistently about Telangana issue before, during and after elections, before during and after agitations. I am not sure who ur proud representative is, but I agree with what he and the Loksatta party says consistently as a solution.

    Who got sold by current crop of political parties and leaders... u should tell me. Show me one instance of ur 'JP as chameleon' claim. His and Loksatta stand consistently has been 'Decentralization and local governance is solution to the problems. New state creation is neither a problem nor a solution to the problems'. If u can show one statement that contradicts these statements, I will accept defeat.

    Now, I do not know whom u voted or whom u trusted to bring the state, I am sure he either resigned without proving anything (TRS), or followed sonia/naidu's diktats over ur perceived interests and did NOT do anything trustworthy.

    I do not have blind ideological affinity towards leaders. I have seen what local governance can do wonders in other countries and some experiments in other states. JP and other loksatta leaders have an ideological committment towards local governance. They have put it in GHMC elections, risking that people are still not open for it. It is easy to say I support telangana and I do not etc. But, JP or loksatta does not believe in it. Thats the difference between LSp and other parties. U might not like it but thats one way of doing politics. If u have principled opposition to this solution, we can have healthy debate but personal assassination is unwarranted.

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  97. @Vinay:
    "When I talked about Telangana history and movement my andhra friends ridiculed and laughed at me and said Telangana word itself is very weird.

    I think I consider Telangana movement to be winner as it has come to this point even when all Andhras didn't know anything about the history and now atleast they know the history. I never imagined this that Telangana movement would become so powerful.

    All my andhra friends used to laugh about state separation whenever the discussion came up."

    Vinay, I must say that it is a fallacy of our education system. Without giving education about history, people do not appreciate the differences. Racism in west is a symptom of lack of education of world cultures. People of any race or region are not divisive or resentful in general but lack of education and misplaced priorities lead to biases and discrimination.

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  98. //Down with Separatism!!! Down with Regional Hatred!!!! //

    They didnt thought the same thing when they separated from Madras.

    :)

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  99. @Anonymous:
    "you know our ap politics stream or whatever stream,you get into some position,you bring you son,your brother,your sister,you caste people,thats how total ap is first occupied by andhrites since they had good education and power,and thier relatives continue to inherit,where as telanganites continue to stay in the lower positions.."

    That is the nature of people. Indians moved as workers and laborers to Fiji, Carribean and other african countries, started getting wealthy and occupying top positions. They are victims of racial attacks as they were accused of 'depriving locals and natives of jobs and other opportunities'. The educated Andhras have nothing personal towards u or anyone else. Everyone tries to grab opportunities. Given a chance, I am sure u, me or anyone from Telangana would bring their acquaintances up.

    "you said we dont study well,if you look at ssc results every year since last 5 years or so..you will atleast see 6 telangana districts in top 10,im saying this as a proud owner of school in telangana."

    I did not say Telangana people do not study well. I said those who say that as an excuse to cite something. As u mentioned, those who work hard and study do get good scores in exams and shine. There is no discrimination to deny legal deserving candidates of any engineering seat or any job.

    "its in the govt sector,and key positions where recomendation and money matters,thats where we lag behind..everybody knows this fact in india.."
    I must say social indicators for T region are much better than Northern Andhra and rayalaseema. We should focus on bringing justice and development to all regions. Otherwise, there will be more separatism and agitations between districts, sub-regions etc.

    "anyway please dont underule us saysingwe cant study well,we dont store water,its the innocence of our people that has been exploited..."

    I am sure there are really bright minds in Telangana region but people have not demanded accountability from leaders all over the state where there is unemployment and underdevelopment, who claimed someone else is responsible for their miseries. A rubber stamp DyCM is not a solution just like a Telangana home min or irrigation minister a solution. Innocence is more exploited by these politicians than people of other regions.

    "do you since trs started singing telangana form 2000,there has been 8 new lift irrigation projects in telangana,govts agree injustice happend in telangana.

    Ntr passed 610 g0 to compensate injustice happend in telanagan.

    YSR agreed injustice happend in telangana and promised several projects in 2004 election campaign."

    Do you agree underdevelopment is the main problem rather than injustices? Would you prefer solution to underdevelopment than coming up a new state with same telangana leaders and same corrupted political system?

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  100. //Would you prefer solution to underdevelopment than coming up a new state with same telangana leaders and same corrupted political system? //

    In AP we have regional differences all the time starting from the merge, one region always want to dominate on other region, so why dont you think that

    First divide the state and then work on underdevelopment.

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  101. Green_Star:
    "In AP we have regional differences all the time starting from the merge, one region always want to dominate on other region, so why dont you think that

    First divide the state and then work on underdevelopment."

    Prudent solution would be to address underdevelopment. There are huge costs to creating 3 capitals now and more capitals later when these 3 states want to split further in future. Addressing underdevelopment now might not cause any need for any divisions.

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  102. //Prudent solution would be to address underdevelopment. There are huge costs to creating 3 capitals now and more capitals later when these 3 states want to split further in future. Addressing underdevelopment now might not cause any need for any divisions. //

    There is no guarantee that Andhra will stop looting Telangana in future. Our past history proves it many times. How do you want to take care of that problem?

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  103. Krishna, We asking just d-merge the state , this is not called splitting. Forming a rayalaseema state is called splitting i hope you know. We are just asking what we had.
    This will be major lesson to all the states if they marginalize any part of there state.
    Ask JP said local governance and the first step of that would be to form telangana. Small States are always better for governance local people are more involved. I would like to give a simple example -
    All know about obalapuram mines corruption . You see that has 0 affect in warangal or Karimnagar no body cares who loots because they are not nearer to the location. You ask any person in obalapuram will they vote for congress again?
    These are my 2 cents.

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  104. Green_Star:
    "There is no guarantee that Andhra will stop looting Telangana in future. Our past history proves it many times. How do you want to take care of that problem?"

    Through district and municipal govts. Just like a city municipality has mayor, each district in the state will have a mayor/executive elected directly by people. He will choose his ministers (ALL LOCAL) approved by the District Council (like Assembly). This council has the powers of Assembly to legislate in the following areas:

    Agriculture, Irrigation
    Natural resources management
    transportation
    health dept - hospitals and health services
    Law and Order (police, jails, emergency preparedness etc)
    Courts
    Birth death marriage registration records
    parks
    real estate registration
    public auction of lands etc
    public libraries
    utilities
    Public Schools and degree colleges

    Other functions will be handled at the state level. This will provide jobs to local candidates at district and city level. This govt gets revenue from

    share of central and state tax/VAT etc
    income taxes, property taxes, grants from central govt (thru' state govt)
    corporate taxes
    any other share of revenues from companies like export license, fee etc
    auction fee

    The district govt will not be housed in the district main city as they have municipal govts.

    The state govt will have to get share from center based on inputs from the district govt and center has to allocate for each district and state. For projects where several districts are involved, the project will be funded by districts involved, state and center.

    I strongly feel if this solution is implemented, there will not be dependency on state govt to meet basic needs of people. As district mayor/exec is directly elected, lot of corruption and black money in elections could be curbed.

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  105. Rajendra:
    "Krishna, We asking just d-merge the state , this is not called splitting. Forming a rayalaseema state is called splitting i hope you know. We are just asking what we had.
    This will be major lesson to all the states if they marginalize any part of there state.
    Ask JP said local governance and the first step of that would be to form telangana. Small States are always better for governance local people are more involved. I would like to give a simple example -
    All know about obalapuram mines corruption . You see that has 0 affect in warangal or Karimnagar no body cares who loots because they are not nearer to the location. You ask any person in obalapuram will they vote for congress again?
    These are my 2 cents."

    It depends on what ur point of reference is. Hyderabad state in 1760 had all the regions including Madras state. The division happened during Nizam rule but then Hyderabad state was more than Telangana, it had parts of Maharashtra and Karnataka, why leave those brothers behind? No Hyd pride?

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  106. //Krishna, We asking just d-merge the state , this is not called splitting.\

    If Andhra asks for de-merger that is a valid statement, as Andhra existed as a separate state from 1953 to 1956.

    But telangana never existed as a separate state. There was telangana portion of erstwhile Hyd state.

    So it is asking for a non-existing state or to create a new one.
    (so de-merger for telangana is not correct word).

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  107. @above

    may i know for which state burugula rama krishna rao was chief minister,telangana was separate prior to 1956 in th the name of hyd,by 1952 erst while hyd state is what telangana is today.
    dont try to fool people with your twisted facts.
    read the src(fazilali) report in wikipedia.
    read the letters from hyd cheif mininster(ramakrishna rao) to high command,they are in wikipedia too.

    the hyderabad(telangana) which combined with andhra in 1956 was there like that since 1952(elections),the rest of the hyd ditricts were already gone by 1952 to maharastra and karnataka.

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  108. "rest of the hyd ditricts were already gone by 1952 to maharastra and karnataka. "

    That could be wrong, check the following

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidar_District
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanded

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  109. సాల్వే వాదిస్తూ తెలంగాణా, విదర్భ, గూర్ఖాల్యాండ్‌ రాష్ట్రాలకు మద్దతిస్తున్నామని మావోయిస్టు నేత కిషన్‌జీ పత్రికలకు ఇంటర్వ్యూలు ఇచ్చారని చెప్పారు. న్యాయమూర్తి సింఘ్వీ స్పందిస్తూ మావోయిస్టుల ముసుగు పేరుతో విద్యార్థులు, తెలంగాణా ఉద్యమంపై పోలీసులను మోహరించడం తీవ్రమైన విషయంగా పేర్కొన్నారు. ఈ సమయంలో ప్రతివాదుల తరుఫు అడ్వొకేట్‌ రామకృష్ణారెడ్డి జోక్యం చేసుకుంటే పరిస్థితి ఇలాగే ఉంటే విద్యార్థులు నిజంగానే మావోయిస్టు ఉద్యమంవైపు ఆకర్షితులవుతారని వ్యాఖ్యానించారు.

    ప్రశాంత్‌భూషణ్‌ మాట్లాడుతూ ఉస్మానియాలో ప్రస్తుతం తీవ్రవాద వ్యతిరేకదళాన్ని మోహరించారని, 2002లో గుజరాత్‌లో చోటుచేసుకున్న సామూహిక హింసాత్మక ఘటనల్లాంటివి ఉంటే తప్ప ఇలాంటి దళాన్ని మోహరించడానికి వీల్లేదన్నారు. విశ్వవిద్యాలయ పరిస్థితులను సరిగా అంచనా వేయకుండానే రాపిడ్‌ యాక్షన్‌ ఫోర్స్‌ను మోహరించడం సరికాదంటూ హైకోర్టు ఏకసభ్య ధర్మాసనం చేసిన విశ్లేషణ సరైనదేనని సుప్రీం ధర్మాసనం అభిప్రాయపడుతూ కేసును గురువారానికి (25వ తేదీకి) వాయిదా వేసింది.

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  110. @ krishna

    regarding your "regurgitating Lok Satta party's agenda" here:

    If you need a thorough discussion on JP's policies (read sham), we should have a one-one exchange on it.

    I hate to discuss people.. but, JP is an exception. He is not 'people'... he is a new breed ... much discussion is due on this new breed. I said chameleon... but, you see, chameleon is a "definable" entity... JP is not!!! AND THAT MY FRIEND... IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR POLITICIAN.

    You are mocking at us saying we are asking for "a telangana where milk and honey will flow"... We want to tell you that :

    JP's plan of de-centralization is neither new nor foreign to this country. We do have a 3-tier administration. Go back to read your civics books again. There are Zilla Parishads and Zilla parishad chairmen.

    What JP is trying to do is:

    1. Keep ranting that the existing system is BAAAAD! (duh! right... just say that and you get 90% of anti-incumbency vote)
    2. Propose a CHANGE to the SYSTEM taht will be possible only through a 2/3'rd majority in the parliament. (duh! Pitta koncham.... koota ghanam!!)
    3. Keep referring to "experiments" in other countries and states.... that gets him the ear of all "pseudo intellectuals" who love stories.

    JP is a good snake-oil-salesman... infact I would say... he wants to re-package what is out-there... and he is also AVOIDING ACCOUNTABILITY for achieving the same for a GOOOD LOOOOONG TIME (till he gets 2/3'rd majority of the parliament).

    In the meanwhile ... Mr. Krishna... he will not get any vote from the rural population... guess why? They will call out his B***S*** in 5 mins and say....

    1. We already have Rachabanda in our village
    2. We used to have a patwari-system that you guys abolished... now you want us to go back to it?
    3. Are you kidding? "prajala vaddaku paalana" was CBN's line!

    :) :P :)) :D

    I can keep going.

    But, I am not surprised.

    You are not the first Lok-Satta fan I came across.

    I know the exact kind of rant you will throw up back on this blog.

    Nice job anna! free ga mee JP kosam advertising and campaigning....


    JP didn't win my trust.
    JP escapes straight Yes/No questions.
    JP is an escape-artist on many questions stating his crappy-line on "primordial loyalties" and "divisive politics".
    JP is a moron masquerading as an intellectual... and semi-literate folk in Hyderabad fall for his B***S***.

    :)

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  111. //Through district and municipal govts. Just like a city municipality has mayor, each district in the state will have a mayor/executive elected directly by people. He will choose his ministers (ALL LOCAL) approved by the District Council (like Assembly). This council has the powers of Assembly to legislate in the following//

    It is almost sounds like a Jilla Parishad !!

    Any way before checking how efficient this system it is, I have serious doubts about implementation. You guys have to convince many states, parliament has to pass the bill, you have to trial run this new method on few small states ....bla...blah...blah...

    It is a very long process and takes long time to implement, may be another 20 years?

    And you want to experiment this on Andhra Pradesh. The experiment called 'Andhra Pradesh' already sucked our lives sooo much, and now you and JP want to do another experiment ??

    Sorry.... I am not ready yet.

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  112. @reality
    "We already showed Andhra power by making the center to go back on its word. Your 10 years movement we crashed with 2 weeks of protests. That is the power of Andhras."

    So, whats your point against the formation of Telangana state?

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  113. @T Bidda

    Very well put analysis on JP. He should be given the best escapist award if there is any

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  114. @Telangana_Bidda:
    This is what u guys do when an alternative is proposed. Divert with personal attacks.

    "JP's plan of de-centralization is neither new nor foreign to this country. We do have a 3-tier administration. Go back to read your civics books again. There are Zilla Parishads and Zilla parishad chairmen. "

    Well, the structures are there and it is not enough for the system to work. We need to give powers and responsibilities to these structures and get accountability in return so that these institutions develop the areas they govern.

    "1. Keep ranting that the existing system is BAAAAD! (duh! right... just say that and you get 90% of anti-incumbency vote)

    Yes, we got 90% of votes :-). Our stands on issues are aimed at getting votes... u r correct! Our solutions to governance, energy solutions, education, flood relief are all aimed at getting votes as they are always discussed in media during and after elections. You are saying a line which is as old as Indian politics. It will not work dude. System is bad, dont u agree? Whats new in saying that?

    2. Propose a CHANGE to the SYSTEM taht will be possible only through a 2/3'rd majority in the parliament. (duh! Pitta koncham.... koota ghanam!!)

    That doesn't mean solution is bad. People are true stakeholders in democracy. You seem to be proud of few politicians holding everything but good solutions like RTI, assets disclosure did come through. u need to have confidence, patience and will to push them through.

    3. Keep referring to "experiments" in other countries and states.... that gets him the ear of all "pseudo intellectuals" who love stories.

    Well... is there any system in the world that has not been experimented before? Democracy, local elections etc all are experiments that have worked in some and did not work in some countries. Before falling into the 'pseudo intellectual' trap, u need to be convinced why something will work and something will not.

    Why is none of IT/Pharma/any company coming to Nalgonda/Prakasham/Kurnool districts? Because of lopsided devpt and excessive focus on cities. Make cities and districts competitive by giving them resources and responsibilities. It is plain common sense. u dont need snake oil salesman to sell it to u.

    Any other political party would not have cared for curtailed freedom with AP society reg act, it was Loksatta that put pressure on govt to withdraw it. U guys dont care as it is not related to telangana but there r some principles that we follow which dont earn votes but help u enjoy freedom that u dont mind misusing.

    "he will not get any vote from the rural population... guess why? "
    Yes rural people are smart and loksatta and JP are not. Our target is to cheat them and change our stance after elections... well said!!!

    "JP didn't win my trust."
    U have every right to say so.

    "JP escapes straight Yes/No questions."

    This is the problem with u.. u cud extract yes from cong and tdp and then what happened? What r they saying now? U mean to say 'Yes' for anything that u ask even though we dont believe it principally? I dont know... I think highly of a person wedded to party principles than changing stance based on opportunity.

    "JP is an escape-artist..."

    Yes, u cant find fault with that... just like u have strong beliefs that u r not compromising, he too has them and as politician and leader, he has the right to believe in them. I can see in this forum people supporting or opposing based on these loyalties.

    "JP is a moron masquerading as an intellectual... and semi-literate folk in Hyderabad fall for his B***S***"

    U have a right to be proud of ur decision to vote for MLA/MP but u cannot insult the intelligence of people who voted him. I am not sure who is the master statesman whom u voted and who u thought is not snake oil salesman. U cud be moron to someone too and I know the true intellectuals never support pseudo intellectuals.

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  115. Green_Star:
    "It is almost sounds like a Jilla Parishad !!

    Any way before checking how efficient this system it is, I have serious doubts about implementation. You guys have to convince many states, parliament has to pass the bill, you have to trial run this new method on few small states ....bla...blah...blah...

    It is a very long process and takes long time to implement, may be another 20 years?

    And you want to experiment this on Andhra Pradesh. The experiment called 'Andhra Pradesh' already sucked our lives sooo much, and now you and JP want to do another experiment ??

    Sorry.... I am not ready yet."

    Yes there are some local govt institutions but the point is to give them more resources and responsibilities so that they compete for taxes and development rather than development in few cities in a state. It takes time but it provides a level playing field for all regions and districts and cities. A Nalgonda politician will get water quality fixed if he wants to encourage business and tax revenues in his district.

    How r u so sure that T state is going to work and there will be investment in Adilabad and other districts? How r u so sure that other districts will not ask for separation later as all resources are not sucked by 3-4 cities?

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  116. //U have a right to be proud of ur decision to vote for MLA/MP but u cannot insult the intelligence of people who voted him.//

    On side notes, not to criticize, I would like to know what JP did to his constituency so far?

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  117. //How r u so sure that T state is going to work and there will be investment in Adilabad and other districts? How r u so sure that other districts will not ask for separation later as all resources are not sucked by 3-4 cities?//

    Didnt we learned our lesson that what is the outcome if we neglect few districts or region. We tried warning Andhra few times back, and separation decision was the last thing we are going to try.

    As per the current region revenue, we are sure we will survive and will have good future.

    You didnt explain how did a district survive if it has less revenue? (more expenses, less revenue)

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  118. For T-separatists (like this blog) anyone who does not say YES to T-state is either

    1. Dongallu/Dopididarlu
    (otherwise why will not let it go)
    2. Stupid
    3. Does not know history of non-existing T -state
    4. Idiot
    5. Does not small states are better
    (it is not about right policies)
    6. Blind
    7. Should be boycotted
    8. Doctors should not treat you
    9. You can only leave Hyd, but not allowed to return
    10. Should be repatriated immediately..
    11. You house should be attacked and burnt for creating differences as you have a different accent.
    ...

    ...

    It doesnt occur to them (or do not accept) that you can love and work for Telangana without wanting a separate state.

    So any other people

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  119. @Anonymous
    "For T-separatists (like this blog) anyone who does not say YES to T-state is either..."
    Did you get dropped on your head as a kid?

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  120. For who want Telangana state, Andhra call them

    1. Naxals
    2. Maoists
    3. Terriosts
    4. Drunkers
    5. Lazy
    6. TRS/KCR/KTR/KAVITA
    7. Threat to India integrity
    8. Jealous
    9. Moran
    10. Brainwashed

    Did I miss anything?

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  121. Green_Star:
    "On side notes, not to criticize, I would like to know what JP did to his constituency so far?"

    Why else would it matter, other than to criticize, in this discussion what he did in KPHB? He has achieved enough in his life that he does not give a sh*t to what the ppl, who attack him personally, think. What he and LSP says is for the benefit of people and in democracy, it is people that decide what is best for them. U can be 'smart' (as per T_Bidda) and vote for any pig REPEATEDLY under the influence of money and liquor or think matured and in the long term benefit of u, ur family and society and vote responsibly. It is our responsibility to take good ideas forward by voting for right candidates. If u want to discuss people, let us bring in each candidate whom u guys have voted and let us discuss what the did, achieved over their career.

    http://news.loksatta.org/2009/12/drjps-activities-in-kukatpally-english.html

    Let all of u guys show what ur representatives have achieved except RESIGNATION DRAMA...

    It is a pity that after all this, people are still willing to lock themselves in TDP-CONG-TRS loop who will tell u what u want to hear (Telangana, reservations, someone else in stopping me from getting x done etc) but do not have the guts to do what is right for region, state and country.

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  122. Green_Star:
    "Didnt we learned our lesson that what is the outcome if we neglect few districts or region. We tried warning Andhra few times back, and separation decision was the last thing we are going to try."

    Well, history will repeat itself. So many politicians of current crop have told the same thing every election and what happens. U do not realize but how the political system works is:

    A politician will think that it worked in T case, so he will raise an argument that my region is neglected bcoz it is far from hyd. He knows he can use the same tactic every election so that after 2-5 elections, it will stick with people and by the time u realize, it will repeat itself. If u think about it, it is not far fetched. The current political system is capable of doing it.

    "As per the current region revenue, we are sure we will survive and will have good future."

    My comments above are valid for this too.

    "You didnt explain how did a district survive if it has less revenue? (more expenses, less revenue)"

    A district when seeks funding had to explain why expenses are more and revenue is less... it has to create good basic infrastructure and create incentives for companies to do business and generate tax base. Its expenses, if high budget projects, will be shared by center but if it is salaries and social services, it has to balance with growth in district economy and raising cash through sale of public assets, sell bonds (like our state does currently) etc.

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  123. @Krishna,
    The polls are far away... what's with this JP campaigning???

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  124. @Anonymous:
    "what's with this JP campaigning???"

    I think u r referring Bangalore municipal elections. JP was there campaigning for Loksatta chapter in Karnataka.

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  125. @Krishna
    "I think u r referring Bangalore municipal elections. JP was there campaigning for Loksatta chapter in Karnataka."
    LOL, dude. that was half-baked!

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  126. LoL. JP's party is campaigning in Karnataka. Is he shifting his base to Karnataka ? He won no seats in GHMC, looks like he saw the writing on the wall that he will loose for sure even his assembly seat in 2014. Banglore is not a kukatpally to elect a narrow minded self-boasting JP.

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  127. "LoL. JP's party is campaigning in Karnataka. Is he shifting his base to Karnataka ? He won no seats in GHMC, looks like he saw the writing on the wall that he will loose for sure even his assembly seat in 2014. Banglore is not a kukatpally to elect a narrow minded self-boasting JP."

    As I said before, JP, personally does not give a sh*t to what u think. Contrary to u who just knows how to criticize, some people do not make decisions on what u like. If he boasts, he earned the right for it and he did not bow to cowards like u. U neither achieved anything to boast of nor can u speak about RTI/Indian Constitution/Asset declaration.

    What makes u think he is shifting base? ur IQ score of 10? GHMC loss is loss of principled politics unlike the mayor u guys helped elect who is dumb as u. Katari Srinivas Rao is eligible for mayor as he knows the problems of every ward. If u think that is not how politics is done, u shud not have the right to vote.

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  128. @ krishna

    Oh great intellectual working in JP's fold.... Oh savior of Indian "administrative system" through giving MORE POWER to the third tier ... Oh idealists of modern politics (where you look for ANY LIAR to escape incumbency)....

    We are FULLY aware of the primordial loyalties of JP's constituency that elected him to the assembly.

    We are also FULLY aware that JP doesn't give a DAMN about local politics and his aim is to catapult himself to Lok Sabha where he will keep ranting his 3-tier crap... (guess why BJP or Congress didn't give this guy a ticket)....

    We are also ABSOLUTELY aware of his links and loyalties to the yellow flags!

    You can campaign all you want. He doesn't get my vote. He is total crap of a politician. He appeals ONLY to the copy+paste slaves working at MNCs.

    Reg. your rant on the intelligence of rural people... DUDE... THEY HAVE BEEN MISGUIDED IN THE PAST THROUGH ABSOLUTE LIES... BUT, GUESS WHAT... WHEN A LIAR LIKE JP LIES, EVEN A KID CAL CALL OUT THE CRAP.... It takes a pinch of ego to get carried away by his pseudo-intellectual-speeches... and KPHB got carried away.

    My rural junta can be lured into a party's fold through promises... I agree... but, my rural junta cannot be lured into JP's elitist crap... guess why? They have the heart TO CALL THE EMPEROR NAKED.

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  129. @Telangana:

    JP is NOT the topic.Why dont u disclose the POS u have voted and continue for vote. If thats the discussion u want to do.

    We all know where ur loyalties lie. Why dont u comment on this POS 'Analysis' of Sujai.

    "but, my rural junta cannot be lured into JP's elitist crap"

    Yes, getting lured to money liquor and REGIONAL DIVISIONS is smart like u. If u have guts, keep people out and talk about solutions to underdevelopment. No wonder the leaders know how to royally screw u and ur ilk and they do so perfectly everytime and u continue to enjoy it more and more. Good for u... now go to ur area for a TRS meeting.. Etela Rajender wants to assemble a suicide squad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWtOP31oZlg

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  130. Guys:

    what does everyone think of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWtOP31oZlg

    It is few weeks back but telling about what they are planning and there are ample guys on this board ready to blow themselves up for Development of Telangana...

    T_Bidda: is he ur smart leader that u didnt see naked?

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  131. Supreme Court has asked ap govt to show proof for naxal presence in OU.

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  132. SC has aked ap govt to show proof for naxal presence in OU the govt is trying to demonise the movement.

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  133. Krishna,

    You seem to have a problem, but I'm not sure what it is. You seem to emit a lot of crap just like your leader JP. What is your problem exactly?

    JP.

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  134. @ krishna

    JP is NOT the topic.Why dont u disclose the POS u have voted and continue for vote. If thats the discussion u want to do.

    We know!

    We are not interested in JP here.

    We would like to avoid having to read the crap coming out of his ass and your mouth.

    BUT... what to do! you have Freedom to Speak... So... bark away his agendas to glory. We care less.


    I wrote my PRINCIPLED OPPOSITION TO HIS AGENDAS.... cos you've said this in your previous comments:

    If u have principled opposition to this solution, we can have healthy debate

    I even invited you for a one-one debate... so that I don't dilute the main topic TELANGANA here.

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  135. JP is shrewd as any politican he just poses to be different.

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  137. Student agitations tend to be violent the best examples are the greek student riots and the paris student protest where they turned streets into battlezones our OU brothers must take inspiration from them.
    Long live Molotov Cocktail!!!!!!!!!

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  139. Sujai,

    The naxalism movement has got nothing to do with T movement. For the naxals the T movement is just an opportunity. If today there emerges some other movement for say tribal state involving parts of T and Andhra, they will join that movement also.

    Their ideology is intact and will stand.

    To them, T, A, R etc have no meaning. These are opportunties that may lead them to their larger goals or are events that help their goals in any small way.

    T movement may help them get some cadres. If t is actually formed they will have another state to concentrate upon.

    Naxalism in AP started in Srikakulam. None of the factors that you mentioned as the cause for naxalism in T existed there.
    It was the link thru dandakaranya that helped them from West bengal to Adilabad.

    T protagonists may want to use Naxals today to help them, but its like using a snake instead of a rope.

    The naxals cannot help the t movement. If at all, their presence will only undermine the genuine T movement. Beware !

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  140. Telangana_Bidda:

    U must be real T fanatic... Something must be really wrong with ur mind and senses when u dont disclose the POS u voted for and the parties u have supported and u talk about a party that talks and works for public interest issues.

    As u got screwed by these parties, why dont u go to maoists for a change so that armed forces and maoists can both screw u at the same time. We are proud of Loksatta introducing Anti corruption bill, fighting against belt shops, going to court against AP society reg act, RTI, adopting villages and showing progress within 1 month after flood relief.... u must be sick to ur mind and stomach for believing these are are not for public interest. U r prepared to hand ur a** with ur head inside to please all parties that ur smart mind says. Good luck to u...

    Like I said before, psersonally we dont care where ur head is and what is inside it.

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  141. @ Krishna

    Something must be really wrong with ur mind and senses when u dont disclose the POS u voted for and the parties u have supported and u talk about a party that talks and works for public interest issues.

    We don't want to distract from the core topic here.

    TELANGANA.

    Got anything objective to say about Telangana? Bring it on.

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  142. POK:

    Thanks for writing.

    The naxalism movement has got nothing to do with T movement.

    So why are they supporting T movement?

    For the naxals the T movement is just an opportunity.

    To do what?

    Their ideology is intact and will stand.

    What is their ideology? Can you show proof that none of the Naxals joined mainstream?

    T movement may help them get some cadres.

    We believe suppression of T movement will help them get their cadre.

    If t is actually formed they will have another state to concentrate upon.

    Is it important for Naxals to have more states to concentrate upon?

    Naxalism in AP started in Srikakulam. None of the factors that you mentioned as the cause for naxalism in T existed there.

    Naxalism started in West Bengal. And yet other regions embraced it. Democracy started in England. But India embraced it – do you think India and England had same factors?

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  143. From:
    Telangana students may cross over to Maoists

    Increasing number of police officers are veering around to the view that if the Telangana issue is not resolved amicably on an urgent basis, the frustrated and disillusioned students may move over to the Maoists, some of whom are till active in parts of the state.

    Like any other tricky subject, the nature, scope and future of T movement has also divided the police officers...There are also officers who firmly believe that so far, the agitation has been free from Maoists and their conventional strategies. The student community, which is in the forefront of the agitation, too vehemently denies any link, direct or indirect, with the Maoists.

    However, the fact remains that the Maoists avowedly believe in carving out the state of Telangana from Andhra Pradesh. They say that the factors of the past that have contributed to the region remaining backward such as exploitation, oppression and denial of the legitimate rights over land, water, employment etc. can be rectified only through creation of Telangana and handing over power to the traditionally disadvantaged sections of the society. Recounting the history of the T movement, a police officer said when all means of democratic agitations including falling victim to police bullets, formation of a new party and winning of elections in 1971, failed in achieving a new state, the students felt that there was no point in remaining loyal to law.

    "They took up arms. That was the birth of Naxalism in Telangana. The situation looks to me similar to the 1969-1971 period. If the students see no hope in continuing with their democratic struggle, there is clear danger that they might walk into the open arms of the Maoists. But unfortunately, the government wants us to treat the T agitation as purely a law-and-order problem which it is not," the officer explained.

    Another officer said that after 30 long years, 2009 was the best year for the police since it recorded the lowest number of Maoist related incidents. But 2010 may not be as peaceful. According to him, at least 70 per cent of the students who are involved in the T agitation come from weaker sections and from rural background. Their aspirations, approach to life and means to achieve their dreams are totally different from the urban youth.

    One strange factor in this movement is that the students have shunned political leadership. They are taking out their anger against the politicians by publicly abusing and heckling them. Another factor is that their leadership is loose and without much control over the students. Therefore, without leadership, this agitating force could just become dangerous if no solution is found for the T issue on an urgent basis, he noted.

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  144. Read more of SCs views on OU incident :
    Responding to the submission by counsel, Prashant Bhushan, appearing for the students, that about 200 people have so far committed suicide, the apex court said "unfortunately suicides are being committed by ordinary people."

    But the bench was also in no mood to accept the plea of the counsel for the students that excessive force like deployment of central forces should be avoided as they (students) were all children. "Don't call them children. They are all fathers of children," the bench snapped at the counsel. To complaints from the state that certain elements were using inflammatory and abusive language to provoke the students, the bench remarked "You can't change the culture of human beings!"


    Even SC realized the truth that these John apparao 40+ are not students ,but parasites who feed on universities.

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  145. link for above news :

    http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/feb/23/sc-wants-proof-of-maoist-role-in-telangana-row.htm

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  146. Top sources in the Home Ministry have told NDTV that they suspect Maoist hand in the escalating Telangana tension.

    And the Ministry is very clear that some of them are also teaching and under the garb of human rights, are instigating students to carry on with violence.


    Link :http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/maoists_link_to_telangana_row.php

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  147. Sujai, this is a great article! I strongly believe in what you wrote and had been thinking about this for a while! In fact, with the way the central government and national media have been behaving in the last couple of months, I am beginning to get an idea of how wrong India could be in Kashmir and North East! All these years I simply believed in what was told to me by the government and the media!

    I was telling my friend the other day - "I just woke up from the Matrix called Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India"! Really, a whole lot of us, , at least a good deal of the urban middle class are in a Matrix, except it's not a computer!

    @POK, @Krishna, @reality @RealFan and others - people, when are you going to wake up and come out of this imaginary democracy knit around us? Because, you will have to face it some day, you will be on the other side some day! Wake up!

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  148. @ Vinay

    //I don't understand the logic that all tax money is being spent in Hyderabad and nothing spent in other cities.//

    I will tell you in a way you can understand. Two persons combinedly grow a tree in a common property. When the tree becomes ripe and time has come for eating fruits ,one person says i own the tree and asks the other person to leave the property.

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  149. Sujai,

    You didn't get my point. The factors that you mentioned as the cause for Naxalism in T exist all over India. Yet there is no naxalism in Maharashtra, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka for eg.

    I agree with your counter and precisely for those reasons I state that the naxalism movement has no love for the T movement. To them it is only an opportunity to achive their ideals. I was trying to say, that in Srikakulam none of the factors that you mentioned exist, yet the naxal movement caught on. It also caught on in T for reasons much beyond those you report. The naxals will always try to latch onto any opportunity to further their cause. In T it is the T movement. If there was no T movement they would have caught onto some other issue.
    Their love is not for the people of T. Their cause emcompasses some of the sections of T region. Their cause is supreme and will subsume any other issue.

    Yes, some of the naxals joined the mainstream due to to old age, sickness, police pressure, realization of the worthlessness of their cause, casteism within the naxals etc.

    The naxals know that a T state will be easier for them to focus on. See their emergence in Chhatisgarh and jharkhand.

    You state that suppressing the T movement will get them more cadres. So what you are saying is that if T is not formed some of those who are in the movement today will be so disappointed that they will join the naxals.
    If T state is formed what magic wand will the state have that will change the scenario for those who are susceptible to the naxals.

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  150. @ Green

    //In my opinion, in current Congress govt you can do much bargaining with central, but if for some political reason BJP is in central, you do not have much luck in bargaining. And more over as long as this division postpones, Andhra's new capital also postpones and you loose few years to build the infrastructure in new capital.//

    So much sympathy for andhra looters ,you must be a very generous person.

    Andhras are playing for high stakes here. If they succeed they will maintain status quo or atleast secure their safety and interests in Hyd. In case they fail ,they would have to deal with opportunity loss of 56 years instead of opportunity loss of 54 years . Not much difference in loss as i see.

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  151. @ Prasanth

    //So, whats your point against the formation of Telangana state?//

    I am for separation , but Hyd cannot go to Telangana for the reasons that i have mentioned many times in previous comments.

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  152. @ Krishna

    These Tvadis hate JP. They hate anyone who doesnt support T state. Even balanced views are not acceptable.

    Good to know that you are working with lok satta. I feel in coming years Lok satta will win more share of peoples votes.

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  153. @ Kartikthum

    //@POK, @Krishna, @reality @RealFan and others - people, when are you going to wake up and come out of this imaginary democracy knit around us?//

    Telangana movement is not a movement for change in how democracy works ,nor is it against corruption or other flaws in democracy. It is a movement for separate state based on lies and hatred. Even if telangana forms it will have the same flawed democracy and same corrupt leaders,officers , not the utopia people like Sujai want to project.

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  154. POK:

    You state that suppressing the T movement will get them more cadres. So what you are saying is that if T is not formed some of those who are in the movement today will be so disappointed that they will join the naxals.

    Yes. That’s what happened in 1970s.

    If T state is formed what magic wand will the state have that will change the scenario for those who are susceptible to the naxals.

    The same magic that happened to most of the Africa, Southeast Asia after British left – self-rule, the feeling that their aspirations are met by their own people, that there are NO outside forces that are working against you. Most of us would like to be ruled by our people even if they are villains than be ruled by others who are heroes.

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  155. Reality:

    Even if telangana forms it will have the same flawed democracy and same corrupt leaders,officers , not the utopia people like Sujai want to project.

    If India forms, it will have the same flawed democracy and same corrupt leaders, officers, not the utopia that Indian leaders want to project.

    And yet, India wanted self-rule, and yet Andhra State wanted self-rule, and yet, we create new states. Why do we create new states if we have same flawed democracy and same corrupt leaders?

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  156. Reality:

    I feel in coming years Lok satta will win more share of peoples votes.

    But never in Telangana. JP should chant the slogans that Chiranjeevi is chanting.

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  157. Reality:

    I am for separation , but Hyd cannot go to Telangana for the reasons that i have mentioned many times in previous comments.

    You can take Hyderabad with you if you can lift and move it out of Telangana region.

    Though we link ourselves to Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, we cannot take it out of Pakistan.

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  158. @ Sujai

    //You can take Hyderabad with you if you can lift and move it out of Telangana region.//

    You shouldnt attempt humor ,you are not good at it . Your expertise is in creating hatred,you should stick to that.

    As for lifting of Hyd , Andhras will settle for making Hyd as UT.

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  159. Reality:

    I will tell you in a way you can understand. Two persons combinedly grow a tree in a common property. When the tree becomes ripe and time has come for eating fruits ,one person says i own the tree and asks the other person to leave the property.

    Nobody is asking anyone to leave the property. All cities in India accommodate immigrants. But no immigrants stake claim for the cities that provided the hospitality. Only Andhras can come up with such ridiculous arguments.

    If we go with your argument we should have given New Delhi to Pakistan because we have grown the tree together. Similarly, Telanganas should have Vizag, Vijayawada, Tirupati.

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  160. Reality:

    As for lifting of Hyd , Andhras will settle for making Hyd as UT.

    We agree to that as long as you are ready to making Vizag, Vijaywada and Tirupati as UT.

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  161. Reality:

    We will see who will be crying after SKC report comes up . We already showed Andhra power by making the center to go back on its word. Your 10 years movement we crashed with 2 weeks of protests. That is the power of Andhras.

    Thanks. You are good spokesman for Andhras. You clear all our doubts. There are still some Telangana people who actually believe that Andhras can be trusted. You eliminated all those doubts.

    To all other Andhras who have commented on this blog:

    Now do you know why we don’t reject formation of SKC?

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  162. Krishna:

    The educated Andhras have nothing personal towards u or anyone else. Everyone tries to grab opportunities. Given a chance, I am sure u, me or anyone from Telangana would bring their acquaintances up.

    That’s why we have safeguards and protections – as promised by Andhras before they merged with Telangana, and as signed in Gentemen’s Agreement. They were eventually flouted. All promises flouted. Hence we want this marriage to be terminated.

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  163. Krishna:

    Without giving education about history, people do not appreciate the differences. Racism in west is a symptom of lack of education of world cultures.

    Andhras never got a chance to learn history, culture or social conditions of Telangana. That resulted in discrimination, marginalization and domination of Telanganas. We find most Andhras ignorant on this topic. Also, they refuse to learn. Reality is a good example of such Andhra. Thanks to his presence on this blog, I don’t even have to find a proof.

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  164. @ Sujai

    //But no immigrants stake claim for the cities that provided the hospitality. Only Andhras can come up with such ridiculous arguments.//

    Only Telangana fanatics will use words like immigrants. We are not immigrants when we moved to Hyd. We were moving into our state capital. Even if you guys were not hospitable we had every right to move in. What did you think was the purpose of forming AP ? Take taxes from andhras but not to allow them in their own capital.

    //We agree to that as long as you are ready to making Vizag, Vijaywada and Tirupati as UT.//

    I have no objection to that as long as all these UTs contribute revenues to both T,A states.

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  165. Reality:

    Our whole fight is for Hyd.

    Your presence on this blog is a blessing for all Telanganas. It clears up some doubts fewTelanganas continue to have – they think that Andhras are actually fighting for United State. Your statements help us make a stronger case. Thank you once again.

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  166. Reality:

    I have no objection to that as long as all these UTs contribute revenues to both T,A states.

    Good, we have an agreement. Let's get started with separation.

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  167. Sujai,

    "...self-rule, the feeling that their aspirations are met by their own people, that there are NO outside forces that are working against you. Most of us would like to be ruled by our people even if they are villains than be ruled by others who are heroes"

    This 'own people' is a concept that i have not understood so far.

    Anyway, if KCR (just for e.g.) becomes CM of a T state will you state that T people are being ruled by their 'own people' given the fact that he is also a 'settler' from Srikakulam.

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  168. Reality:

    Eee bedirinplu ki bayapadevadu yevvadu ledu.

    Do you read your own comments that you wrote?

    They why do you keep saying that you cannot have a United State protests in Telangana? Why do you keep blaming the rowdies and hooligans of Telangana for obstructing your protests?

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  169. Sujai said...
    Reality:

    I have no objection to that as long as all these UTs contribute revenues to both T,A states.

    Good, we have an agreement. Let's get started with separation.


    It won't happen that way. The separation if it is to happen will separate Hyderabad at the same time. Not a question of 'first T' then Hyd.

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  170. @ Sujai

    //You are good spokesman for Andhras. You clear all our doubts. There are still some Telangana people who actually believe that Andhras can be trusted. You eliminated all those doubts.//

    Those views are my replies to insults on andhras by a T commentator. You are however free to interpret them as you like.

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  171. POK:

    This 'own people' is a concept that i have not understood so far.

    Good.

    The idea of a nation is an 'idea'. It exists as long as most of the people living in that nation believe in that idea.

    The same way, 'own people' is an idea. It applies to people as long as they share an identity by which they work towards similar interests.

    Right now, people like Krishna, Reality, et al, believe that Andhras are 'their people' because they are working towards protecting their interests.

    It is clear from the discussion that Krishna, Reality et al, actually see Telanganas as a different people. You can see that from all the phrases they use by which they don't see themselves a part of Telangana.

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  172. Reality:

    Chusuru gaa OU lo yela Bhaga Bhaga ke maara. In a couple of weeks this movement will be dead ,then SKC will close this movement formally .

    Thanks again. I will be using your statements to let Telanganas know why they should strongly oppose Srikrishna Committee.

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  173. @ Sujai

    //They why do you keep saying that you cannot have a United State protests in Telangana? Why do you keep blaming the rowdies and hooligans of Telangana for obstructing your protests?//

    We dont have to take out a meeting in Hyd and expose ourselves to unnecessary danger. Our families in andhra are doing this job successfully. We are lying low in Hyd ,avoiding unnecessary trouble ,but you know where our loyalities lie. That said ,if we are attacked we will reply back in same coin.

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  174. Telangana violence added to the rot in OU standards :

    "But all this is said with a bit of nostalgia. Many now think that Osmania has turned from the roaring lion of those days to a tired old lion now.

    The rot had set in sometime ago and the recent violence in the campus over separate Telangana only made the scenario more glaring.

    Placement drives have come to a standstill and companies have secretly instructed their senior recruiters not to prefer Osmania students who are now thought of as ‘trouble makers’. It gives a sense of déjà vu for those who remember the bad days of 1969. "


    Link :http://www.deccanchronicle.com/hyderabad/telangana-violence-added-rot-ou-standards-431


    So what are OU students going to do now ?Is ATTACK DC on cards !!!

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  175. @reality
    lol, attack DC? That's your way of thinking, your way of looking at it buddy! Your attitude! If we even had a fraction of that attitude Sujai would not even approve your comments here on his blog! Moreover, it's anyone's guess that DC has vested interests! Those Jackasses can't even convince IPL to host matches in Hyderabad! Shame on them! For every article sponsored by vested interests we will have an article that brings out the truth!

    Recently, while I was visiting SF/Bay Area, people there asked me if OU is like Berkeley of the East! And Berkeley for them is a great institution!

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  176. //After forty years, people of Telangana come together once again to seek a separate Telangana. What will India do this time? It has already negated our electoral routes. Both in 2004 and 2009, only those parties which endorsed Telangana have won in Telangana, and yet India does not seem to wake up and see the reality//

    Excellent Sujai...

    like we do RTC (Root-cause-analysis) to customer complaints in business, you have done the RTC for Naxalism in Telangana.

    My entire childhood was spent in & around Karimnagar and I totally agree with you!!!

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  177. I am for separation , but Hyd cannot go to Telangana for the reasons that i have mentioned many times in previous comments.
    Otherthan your own selfish material interests what are the reasons you have ever stated Reality??
    I have been waiting for days to receive your input on that.
    You simply switch to newer posts by ignoring my doubts.
    You are a lier.

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  178. Sujai,
    Reality's reasons for separate state is a very humorous one. he thinks because of the hatred that has been propagated in telangana against andhra, he thinks separate state is valid.

    But his reasons for Hyderabad as separate UT have been always obscured from discussions for reasons known only to him.
    He however proclaims that he did state his reasons.
    He is a lier.

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  179. Chandu,
    I answered your doubts in the previous posts. I do expect your response.

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  180. @ Sravan

    My reasons for Hyd UT are :

    Massive investments were done in Hyd over last 50 years by the virtue of it being the capital of AP.

    We have to get our share of taxes
    Also there is the issue of settlers safety.

    UT is the solution for both these problems.

    //Otherthan your own selfish material interests what are the reasons you have ever stated Reality??//

    Yeah when we ask our share of taxes we become selfish , but telanganas want to steal common investment they become freedom fighters.

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  181. Sravan:

    Reality is a good example of the kind of thinking that has led to the current problem in Andhra Pradesh.

    His intentions are not genuine. On one side he sheds crocodile tears for the plight of Telangana students and on the other had he celebrates the fact that the students are suppressed ruthlessly with force. On some occasions he even concedes the police should have used real bullets.

    He believes Hyderabad should become a UT citing the insecurity feeling of Andhra 'settlers' - which is one of the silliest reasons cited in the history of mankind seeking any separation, but completely ignores the safety of other Andhras who are living in other districts of Telangana, showing clearly that he is only concerned with grabbing Hyderabad.

    Reality and his ilk celebrate when MIM has not clearly endorsed Telangana cause but belittle and insult Telanganas for the influence of Nizam and Urdu in their language, clearly showing how opportunistic their fight for Hyderabad is.

    I encourage Andhras to write on my blog because people like Reality provide the validation for our cause. They give us a reason why we should intensify our fight. It shows why we are incompatible people.

    The progression of their comments on this blog is like unraveling the history of Andhra Pradesh.

    It is like mini-Andhra Pradesh in progress, it shows how they do not take their own words seriously - that's a reflection of why they flouted so many agreements.

    They think the promises made during elections are gimmicks, the agreements they signed are jokes. If Telanganas believed all that it is foolishness of Telanganas - they clearly admit it.

    People like Reality celebrate when Telangana person is beaten down, suppressed and stripped of dignity, celebrate when our movement is linked to Naxals, and clearly tell you that they won when Dec 9th statement was revoked, they clearly tell you that SKC is formed only to deprive us of Telangana, clearly tell you that it is the doing of Andhras.

    They tell you openly how vile and untrustworthy they are.

    Don't you think we should thank Reality for that. He has done a better job of making a case for Telangana than all of us put together.

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  182. //keep people out and talk about solutions to underdevelopment. //

    We both already started.
    You started with 3-tire structure or what ever you called, and you get very few people.

    We started with separate state, and lots of people are with us.

    //now go to ur area for a TRS meeting//

    Dude, you are in wrong forum, this blog hates KCR/TRS,,,,

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  183. //U must be real T fanatic... Something must be really wrong with ur mind and senses when u dont disclose the POS u voted for and the parties u have supported and u talk about a party that talks and works for public interest issues.//

    I feel like when we are in war with Pakistan, Sri Lanka is poking us.

    Krishna, this blog researched all possible solutions to better the telangana lives, and we come up the good solutions that the de-merger will solve many(not all) of the current problems. We believed in it.

    If you think your 30-tire system works better, then go to public. Dont waste your and our time.

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  184. //Anyway, if KCR (just for e.g.) becomes CM of a T state will you state that T people are being ruled by their 'own people' given the fact that he is also a 'settler' from Srikakulam. //

    For your kind information, KCRs fore-fathers moved to Telangana few generations ago, around 150 years back. There is no point going back that long time.

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  185. @Krishna,

    J.P has floated L.S.P with quotes like social equality,
    discrimination,oppurtunity etc as some of his ideologies.

    But,how many seats did his party win????

    Hasnt he complained that his speeches or ideas are not given any media space by channels and news papers alike,though they are for the welfare of the people.

    THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING.

    Now,can J.P introduce one and I repeat one public welfare scheme and get it approved in the assembly without losing all his hair on his head.

    I watched a lot of the proceedings in the assembly during his initial days there.

    Leave alone respecting each other they dont listen to anyone who as much as suggests an alternative.

    The majority does that to any discussion,any proposal.

    For a money bill to be passed and implemented it takes years(IF IT IS PASSED ATALL).And the majority has almost always been with Andhra politicians.

    In J.P,s words why do these people spend so many crores of rupees trying to get a seat or during elections when all they get in return are a couple of thousands as salaries(including benefits).

    They never work for salaries,they are only into politics to safeguard their investments or as puppets for their richer businessmen relatives.

    J.P is an idealist,his thoughts dont hold water on the GROUND.

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  186. @ All supporters of reality and his brand,

    The article that has been written was to tell you,ll about what the naxal problem was and why it had taken demonic proportions in the past.

    Since you guys lose no oppurtunity to call names.....

    and NOT, to support it.

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  187. http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Telangana+is+a+wonderful+%E2%80%98State%E2%80%99,+says+Duggal&artid=OS6SLy|v/Io=&SectionID=e7uPP4|pSiw=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=EH8HilNJ2uYAot5nzqumeA==&SEO=

    Sadly, he is part of a commission tht decides the fate of 4 crore people!

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  188. @ L dyapa

    T supporters in this blog are behaving like sheep , whatever Sujai writes ,you say 'wah sujai ,what a masterpiece' ,without even trying to point out the flaws in his arguments.

    Sujai says failed 1969 T movement created naxalism in T. But truth is naxalism is a class struggle ,nothing to do with regions. It came up in T because of 'DORA' system taking inspiration from srikakulam struggle. Yet you guys say 'wah sujai'.

    Then he issues a threat "if centre doesnt grant T, all our sc/st/bc students will become maoists " . Yet you guys say 'wah sujai'.

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  189. @Reality,
    cephaloendorectalitis???

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  190. reality
    But truth is naxalism is a class struggle ,nothing to do with regions.
    Do you mean there are no class differences in andhra and rayalseema????

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  191. @Reality:
    I'm also an Andhra settler in Hyderabad and had previously opposed T-movt here(blog) much before you came to this blog. In view of facts & experiences I've changed my stance.

    I've been closely following this blog ever since though I didn't comment much because I had no issues to discuss.

    Telangana sentiment is symptomatic of a much deep rooted cause - underdevelopment. To view this development as an isolated instance of political instability caused by unemployed politicians is to be unfair to the people of Telangana. Such movements occur due to widespread poverty and discontentment. To prevent such events from recurring the substance of them must be taken away. If there is fuel prepared, it is difficult to tell when & how a spark shall come that would set it on fire. KCR was able to galvanize this movement strongly because there was already enough fuel ready to set it ablaze.

    Your statements(regarding suicides) are reminiscent of Joseph Stalin's famous quote : "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

    What do you personally lose because of this movement? You quote "security". I find this awkward. Do you really believe that in a place like Hyderabad which is surrounded by Telangana from all sides could have been safe if this movement were to be infiltrated by Maoist.

    An acquaintance once mocked at me saying that I need to pack up once Telangana is formed. To which I replied "The day Telangana is formed, I will call myself a Telangana". (My family has shifted here long long back)

    Some criticism of Sujai & others may appear to be harsh. But as far as Sujai himself is concerned in his previous posts he has been equally critical of Indians too.
    You're up against a remarkably well-educated person. Read about him here.

    Pl think about this independently, without getting into discussions for some time, & observe impartially whats happening around.

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  192. @ Vivek

    //Do you mean there are no class differences in andhra and rayalseema????//

    Yes , there is class difference there also. Thats why naxalism came up first in Srikakulam. But i dont make stupid claims like your sujai that 'naxalism came in andhra because of Jai andhra movement' etc.

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  193. @ Madhav

    //Telangana sentiment is symptomatic of a much deep rooted cause - underdevelopment. //

    Are you assuming that there is no underdevelopment in andhra ? Telangana despite having a bad start is almost catching up with andhra in all aspects. All data proves this. See data given by people like Nalamotu, JP ,Vundavalli etc. Also they have exposed many lies in the data given by T vadis.

    //Your statements(regarding suicides) are reminiscent of Joseph Stalin's famous quote : "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."//

    What should we do regarding suicides ? Glorify them ? Make them martyrs ? or speak truth . This is a issue linked with the fate of 10 cr people. It cant be decided by some suicides of some people.

    //What do you personally lose because of this movement?//

    DO i have to personally loose something to take a stand ? It is a question of fairness. Who is going to reimburse the opportunity losses for Andhra ? Will Telanagana state do it ? Will centre do it ?

    //You quote "security". I find this awkward. //

    Oh is it ? Have you heard of MNS in mumbai ? Do you know how they are terrifying north indians there? Can the govt act tough there ? No ,it cant because it will piss of majority marathis. Same will happen in Hyd.

    //To which I replied "The day Telangana is formed, I will call myself a Telangana". (My family has shifted here long long back)//

    It is up to you what you call yourself , but I will call myself as a andhraite because there is no law which says that i will have to become part of the region where i stay ,assimilate in their culture etc. I will retain my andhra identity wherever i stay in India.

    //Some criticism of Sujai & others may appear to be harsh.//

    What sujai used is not criticism ,it is pure hatred against andhra people. He has insulted andhras in worst possible ways based on lies and fake ,twisted data.

    I consider myself as a Andhra and i will respond if andhras are being slandered as cheaters,looters,colonizers,nazis etc.

    //You're up against a remarkably well-educated person.//

    Neither Sujai's education nor my education has any thing to do with the topic in discussion.

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  194. @Chandu

    //So I can see two points from your post. One is Bhargava committe about 100 crore funds and Girglani commission abt 1 lakh jobs. I wont deny anything here. But it would be good if you can share source of this info.//

    Irrigation:
    http://irrigation.cgg.gov.in/jsp/districtinvreport.jsp

    Girglaini Commission report.
    http://www.telangana.org/Articles/LatestNews/GO_610_E02132005.gif

    Funds misallocation
    http://www.andhrajyothy.com/editshow.asp?qry=/2008/feb/12edit3

    You can start with these.

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  195. @ reality:

    DO i have to personally loose something to take a stand ? It is a question of fairness. Who is going to reimburse the opportunity losses for Andhra ? Will Telanagana state do it ? Will centre do it ?

    What losses are you talking about?

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  196. @ realty:

    It is up to you what you call yourself , but I will call myself as a andhraite because there is no law which says that i will have to become part of the region where i stay ,assimilate in their culture etc. I will retain my andhra identity wherever i stay in India.

    But... somehow, you do not take the responsibility for being an "andhra". Why is that so?

    Will you take the responsibility of the beating up of T-people by people from "andhra vaadalu" in Medak dist?

    Will you take responsibility for 610 GO?

    Your Andhra guy is the CM now... and your Andhra guy is the GDP... will you take responsibility for contempt of court by these two?

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  197. @Reality:
    Are you assuming that there is no underdevelopment in andhra ?
    There is underdevelopment(relatively) even in certain sections of USA or Europe. Thats not my point. The point is being isolated from the mainstream. There were certain promises given back in 1956. They were not implemented. Had they been implemented T-region would certainly have not been as backward as it today. With respect to jobs even many learned persons from Andhra(see HMTV Dasa Disa)conceded that there had be injustice.

    What should we do regarding suicides ? Glorify them ?
    We keep a count of farmers' suicide also throughout nation. Is this to glorify it? No, it is for healthy criticism. To bring us in touch with grim reality. Nobody's asking for TS citing suicides as only reason. They are indicative of the hopelessness of people. Suicides are indicative of collective failure.

    Have you heard of MNS in mumbai ?
    Looks like you haven't followed up news till the end. During the release of MNIK, it appeared like Shiv-sena would succeed. But nothing like that happened. It was ultimately released. Ditto for the Marathi-speaking taxi drivers policy. It had to be modified to extend it to Hindi & Gujarati..

    True, they have tried to terrorize North Indians. But that hasn't let anyone move out of Mumbai. Infact Marathis by and large don't support them & electoral polls are indicative of this. In way of pure commonsense such things will not happen in Hyd too for Hyd too needs investors from outside.

    I will retain my andhra identity wherever i stay in India.
    Excellent. Then, you ought to understand that you need the respect the sentiments of the people of region around you. You ought to stay there with respecting their sentiments. Nobody is asking you to compromise your fundamental rights. All that is being asked is to express solidarity to people around you. Hyd should have witnessed great tragedy had Telangana movement gone MNS way. But I feel that Hyd is remarkably calm given the present turmoil.

    He has insulted andhras in worst possible ways based on lies and fake ,twisted data.
    Well, given the fact that every regional party gave no-objection stand to Telangana before elections, and all of them reversing them, they have the right to do so.
    As far as the lies, twisted facts etc, you must understand that there can't be such widespread movement when there are absolutely no valid points to be taken note of.

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  198. @ Bidda

    Dont you realise that you are taking away the capital with you , which was made into a cash cow by taxes from all regions . Hyd is generating majority of revenue of AP . Andhra will loose all that revenue. If we had been separate from beginning we would have invested our taxes into our own capital and other cities and made them generate revenue for us. That is the opportunity loss for Andhras.

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  199. @Reality:
    // I consider myself as a Andhra and i will respond if andhras are being slandered as cheaters,looters,colonizers,nazis etc.//

    Why TG's are calling or slandering you (Andhra) as Cheaters, looters, colonizers, nazis etc ???

    -RA

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  200. @Reality:
    It is a question of fairness.
    From the beginning, this is precisely the point that is being asked for- Fairness. TR has not received its fair due so far.

    As regards Andhra, I'm personally proud of my native town(WG Dist) & from Vizag to Nellore is one the most fertile lands in India. I personally see separate Andhra giving opportunities to other marginalized classes & a new Capital is a boon to our middle-class people. If Hyd really becomes insecure (as you fear), I atleast retain the option of moving out to the new capital. My point is precisely the same as you said "This is a issue linked with the fate of 10 cr people. It cant be decided by some suicides of some people"
    Insecurity of some settlers can't be given as the reason to deny the rightful justice to 4 crores of TG.

    Neither Sujai's education nor my education has any thing to do with the topic in discussion.
    Come on! Did I ask you to give up your stand based on this! This didn't deter me from criticism either. What I meant was that some responsible person is making the comment. It behooves you to carefully study his argument before responding. It is worth reading him fully before commenting.
    Read this post : Why Blame all Andhras

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