Friday, December 18, 2009

Telangana XVIII: Betrayal

They say that nothing defines a nation better than a crisis. That’s when the nation unites itself under one banner. Today, Telangana faces a crisis – they are being bulldozed into submission. The Andhra politicians, who form a majority, have united to ensure Telangana doesn’t happen. Even if it happens, they want to have the last laugh – they want to deprive Telangana of Hyderabad.

During 2009 elections, TDP Supremo Chandra Babu Naidu went around Telangana, on media, endorsing Telangana state and won most of his numbers from Telangana. TDP leaders of Telangana used his endorsement to tell everyone in Telangana that they are going to get Telangana, not the TRS or Congress who had already betrayed them.

Prajarajyam chief, Chiranjeevi launched his party few months before 2009 elections. It was watched by millions in Andhra Pradesh, including Telangana. In that inaugural speech, Chiranjeevi clearly endorsed a separate Telangana.

Now, both of them have backtracked on their words to cater to their local constituents.

Telangana people are watching this act of betrayal as it unfolds on live media. Unlike in 1969, when the closed room conspiracies hijacked Telangana cause, the events are unfolding live in the eyes of millions of Telangana. They have not forgotten what Chandra Babu promised. They have not forgotten what Chiranjeevi said. It was just few months ago – the memories are still fresh. Now they see them doing volte face.

If ever there is one thing that is common for all people of Telangana and a common theme in its post-Independence history, it is betrayal. Today, Telangana is united with one feeling ‘a sense of betrayal’.

The word ‘betrayal’ has united Telangana like never before. Within Telangana, there were always a small minority who were skeptical of a new Telangana. They had not joined the bandwagon of Telangana state. Then there were those who were on the fence. They didn’t know if it made sense to be part of a grand Andhra Pradesh or a smaller Telangana. Now, those people have also joined their voices for a separate Telangana. Now they realize how Andhra politicians colluded to marginalize Telangana time and again. Each and every word an Andhra politician utters to resonate with his own constituents is also watched by Telangana people. They just don’t like what they hear. Nobody seems to care of Telangana – they are only interested in keeping us united by force, they realize.

Andhra people are using the age-old, clich├ęd oft repeated slogan:

UNITED WE STAND

DIVIDED WE FALL

They don’t realize this but Telangana is now UNITED against the onslaught of majority Andhra politicians who have taken them for a ride all these years. We were divided along party lines and casteist lines and hence you took advantage of us. Now, we want to stand united against the coercion of Andhra politicians. Thank you for the advice. We have taken it.

If Andhras mean we should not split and therefore should stay united as Andhra Pradesh. Then, why did Andhra split from Madras State. Why this slogan: United we stand, divided we fall, not apply back then?

We request Andhras to demonstrate this for us because we are not getting it. Why don’t they put their preaching into practice for us? Let the Andhra regions go back and join Tamil Nadu for a period of twenty years. Let them face the onslaught of majority Tamils in UNITED Madras state. And after those twenty years, if they still have extremely good experiences, Telangana will join back with Andhras to form a Samaikya Andhra.

Till then please don’t preach what you didn’t practice.


[The related posts are at: Case for Telangana, Telangana - A New State, Telangana II, Telangana III, Telangana IV, Telangana V: Political angle, Telangana VI: Hyderabad State?, Telangana VII: Political Drama, Telangana VIII: You need to make a case, History of Telangana I, Telangana IX: Riots turn ugly, Telangana X: Congratulations!, Vision for Telangana I, History of Telangana II, Telangana XI: Why so much opposition?, Telangana XII: Ignorance, Bad Faith and Low Opinion. Telangana XIII: Let’s stay United!, Telangana XIV: Letter to Andhra Brothers, Telangana XV: Concerns, Telangana XVI: Samaikya Andhra, Telangana XVII: More Concerns]

76 comments:

  1. Sujai,

    Andhra people or rayalaseema people are not grabbing Hyderabad from Telangana..

    Conduct a plebiscite in Hyderabad and then decide on the fate..

    Nobody is asking you to take a consensus among the whole state.. just have it in Hyderabad.

    If Hyderabad votes for a separate state, then one can infer -

    1.That Hyderabad people are not willing to go with Telanagana..

    2.They fear that Hyderabad would decline if the state is divided.

    3.And they need their own identity.

    So if T people are confident enough that Hyderabad would vote for them, then they should be ready for a plebiscite..

    Else listen to what Hyderabad people say..

    If you are not able to comprehend all this - Then I can explain it in your own language -

    The A B equation - Chapter 2

    Nothing wrong, A and B have complete freedom to decide on what they want..

    But there is a small twist in the story..
    A and B have been living together for so long, so they now have a child H..

    B the mother claims that just because the child has come out of me, it is part of me, so I own H completely.

    A the father says without me, How is H possible in the first place..

    B now says, I have been at home and taking care of H all the time, giving H all the motherly love.

    A now says, I have been taking care of H's Education, Food, and all that H has been asking for all these days..

    A and B keep fighting for a long time and loose all the energy they have.

    All the while H tries to calm A and B and keep the family together. But to H's dismay A and B still fight.

    A and B have given H the education and H is now ready to go on his own.. H gets a plush job in an IT company and no longer needs A and B's support.

    One final day H realises that A and B cannot stop fighting and decides to call it a day. H decides to Quit the family.

    H can live on its own..
    But what about A and B ?

    ~We

    ~We

    Just to

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  2. .. Continued from the previous post

    How can you have one rule for Telangana and one for Hyderabad..

    Do you also want to take the U-turn now just like all the jokers(politicos)and say Hyderabad cannot fight for its rights ?
    They will have to live with us forcibly..

    Does Hyderabad(is) have an identity ? And Don't you want to give them a chance..

    Else it would be as if you are not fighting for Telangana and the people but for the Jewel in AP.

    ~We

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  3. @ Anonymous Coward writes ..

    A and B have been living together for so long, so they now have a child H..

    Your initial premises are wrong.

    H was not formed out of union of Telangana and Andhra. H was part and parcel of Telangana for at least 400 years before AP was formed.

    We can safely ignore the rest of your drama, it is based on false premises!

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  4. @ Anonymous ..
    A and B have complete freedom to decide on what they want

    This premise is wrong as well. This being a representational democracy, Telangana has 119 seats out of a total of 294 seats. Anyone with rudimentary arithmetic skills would realize that there is no freedom for Telangana. It does not form a majority by itself.

    It is two wolves and one sheep voting on "Whats for dinner?".

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  5. @Yogjip..

    Brother, you do not have the courage to answer my question, so you call me a coward.. how silly.

    Hyderabad 400 years ago, or Hyderabad in 1956 and Hyderabad now are not the same.. You should understand that first..

    All I asked was take a plebiscite in Hyderabad. Do you fear loosing it ?

    Then you are the biggest coward..

    ~We

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  6. @ Anonymous ...

    It is hilarious that you and your Andhra brethren consider you've invested in Hyderabad.

    To give you an analogy: Copy paste artists go to NYC, Chicago, SFO, Dallas in search of better opportunities - on the glorified slave visa. Next, they claim that the cities belong to them.

    Your claim is just as ludicrous! Hyderabad city was city #5 in India and had top-notch infrastructure before Telangana was forcibly merged with Andhra.

    Your beloved Andhra was being run from capital city Kurnool, administering from tents (deras)!

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  7. @Yogjip,

    Telangana has 119 seats out of a total of 294 seats

    Who is asking you to conduct it in the assembly.. I am asking you to have a vote just in Hyderabad..

    Do you know what a Plebiscite is ?

    Check the dictionary first and then come back to me :)

    ~We

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  8. Hyderabad 400 years ago, or Hyderabad in 1956 and Hyderabad now are not the same

    Hyderabad was city#5 in India and is city#5 now.

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  9. Anonymous ..

    You have serious reading comprehension problems. I was commenting on your premise:

    A and B have complete freedom to decide on what they want

    In your story, A and B represent Andhra and Telangana. I am pointing out the fallacies in your premises!

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  10. @Yogjip

    Why do you want to beat around the bush..

    First thing, I am not from A or T or R.. I am from Hyderabad core..

    And I am not talking of/for A or T or R..

    If people of Hyderabad decide to form a separate state. Are you OK?

    ~We

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  11. First thing, I am not from A or T or R.. I am from Hyderabad core..
    The people of Hyderabad are (1) migrated from Andhra (2) migrated from Rayalaseema (3) Native to Hyderabad (which is Telangana) or migrated from other Telangana districts.

    Either you a migrant from another state (Assam, Mizoram, Andaman & Nicobar) or if you are Telugu, it is a claim which can be categorized along with the following: (1) existence of unicorn (2) existence of people whose sex is both male and female.

    Be that as it may, I am perfectly alright with a referendum.

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  12. You answered the wrong question again..

    The Question is -
    If people of Hyderabad decide to form a separate state. Are you OK?

    Chanti gaadu local.. puttindi, perigindi ikkade..
    Hyderabad - AP - India - World.

    I don't want to go into further details of my identity, as you guys you get biased if I say this or that.. And it is irrelavent..

    I accept, I have zero Arithmetic skills, Zero Reading Comprehension skills and what all you want to say to divert the topic..

    All I wanted to hear is the answer to the actual question.

    This time I hope you would answer the question and prove you are a master in Arithmetic, RC and everything.

    ~We

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  13. To all those Hippocratic Telangana separatists,

    If Telangana is a self-respect issue then why are you claiming Hyderabad whos development is mostly contributed by people all over from India and the major chunk of investment is from Andhra. Aren't you ashamed to claim what others have developed ?

    A Pseudo intelligent called Yogjip is saying that Andhra people go to US insearch of better jobs and then start claiming US cities as their own.

    This so called semi-educated guy doesn't even know when the people of Andhra started migrating to US and how they contributed to US growth in various fields, and he doesn't know how many Medical Research foundations they have started and how these people of Andhra own so many Patent rights in various Technologies even before this H1 boom started, becaue this guy doesn't even knew where US was at that time.


    (There are lakhs of desperate Telangana people in US who are doing those stupid copy & paste jobs and trying their best to extend those slave VIsa's. There are also some Telangana entrepreneurs who are also running the body shops to sell those slave visa's to both Andhra and Telangana brothers)

    Funny part is your so called leader (Telangana Muddu bidda) KCR's and his muddu bidda KTR wants to introduce those slave H1 type work visa in Hyderabad , ha ha haa. God save Telangana

    Sujai himself said in this blog that when AP was formed most of the Govt Jobs were taken by educated Andhra people because Telangana people didn't have any formal education .

    So what else you expect , give the administrative jobs to illiterate people and let this state go to dogs ?

    Telangana was never under the rule of British and they were under the rule of Nizams all the time. They never had a share in freedom struggle so they lack the sense of unity.

    This dirty KCR still praises Nizam's who ruled them like dogs for centuries.

    Wasn't it with the support of Andhra Communist party leaders (Andhra Maha Sabha)the poor peasants who got liberated from bonded labour from high cast feudal lord who were robbing their lands and raping their women for generations.

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  14. To jeevi garu,
    If you think you claim telangana as part of andhra just because some of your leaders helped us in the rebellion against Nizam, please have look at my comments citing a story in Telangana IV in this same blog.

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  15. "Till then please don’t preach what you didn’t practice"

    To all those separatist Telanganites who are working in US,Bangalore,Chennai,Vizag or any other part of the world who have taken up localites jobs should first resign their Job and take part or support this separatism other wise you dont have any moral to support this movement

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  16. For your ease I am posting the comment again here

    Once upon a time ,there lived a monkey on a tree on the shores of a great river. There were lots of crocodiles dwelling in the river. One fine day a crocodile hunting its prey struck a bone in his teeth on the very shore where the monkey lived.
    After several futile efforts to remove the bone he begged the monkey to help him. The monkey was very kind hearted and so it came down to help the crocodile. But knowing the nature of crocodiles he was first reluctant to approach the crocodile. But crocodile promised him that he would not harm him and would make him his best friend if the monkey helped him. Looking at the agony of the crocodile and believing his promise the monkey removed the bone from his tooth using a long stick keeping himself at a safe distance. From then onwards the crocodile used to come to the shore daily and spend time with the monkey. Soon they became good friends. Even the crocodile some times warned the monkey about other crocodiles who were craving for the monkey's meat. The monkey being the clever one taught the crocodile so many worldly things. This went on for a while.
    One day the crocodile's wife who was very greedy persuaded his husband to reveal all about his monkey friend. But the wife was always dreaming about tasting the monkey meat. So one fine day she asked her husband to bring the monkey to their home so that she can taste his meat. The husband at first tried to convince his wife about his friendship but being a hen-pecked husband had to concede to her wish.
    He devised a plan and came to the monkey as usual and after chatting for a while offered the monkey ride on his back. Monkey always wanted to go around on the river waters, so he quickly jumped on to the crocodile's back. After such a long period of being friend he trusted crocodile very much.
    While swimming in the river the crocodile revealed the truth to the monkey because he thought the monkey had no way to escape. He also said that since he saved the monkey from other crocodiles several times,he is the rightful owner of his friend's meat. Monkey was at first shocked but quickly made up his mind and said,
    " Oh! my dearest friend, Why didn't you tell me this before. I would be very glad to offer my meat to my dear friend's wife. But did i tell you before that we monkeys keep our hearts usually at home when we go out. Heart is the most tasty part of our body and I would be delighted to offer your wife my heart first. So lets go back to my home and get my heart."
    The crocodile already amused about the monkey willing to offer his meat, with out a second thought brought the monkey to the shore. The monkey quickly climbed on to the tree and said,
    " Dear Friend, I agree we were both very close friends for a long period but it is your cruel nature that has compelled you to make you friend your prey for today. I think this is the end of our friendship and please do not come back to me again" and shooed away the crocodile in to the river.
    From then onwards the monkey never made friendship with any crocodile.
    Well guys, do see any analogy here? Well telangana people were not that clever and the andhra people were not that foolish. So the end is some what different here. It's time we know the true nature of crocodiles.
    Please understand this story has a weak similarity regarding the present issue and I request everyone not to take the nature of the characters seriously. This story I cited only to reveal the actual dependency of andhra people on hyderabad and that its true ownership belongs to telangana. I noway meant to hurt any bodiy's feelings here.
    I hope you all understand it clearly and try to make a wise contemplation out of it.
    I apologize if I unknowingly offended anyone.
    Thank you

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  17. Jeevi:

    If Telangana is a self-respect issue then why are you claiming Hyderabad whos development is mostly contributed by people all over from India and the major chunk of investment is from Andhra. Aren't you ashamed to claim what others have developed ?

    Why did India lay claim to New Delhi when the development is contributed by all people including those residing in Pakistan?

    Why does Maharashtra claim Mumbai when most of the people living and residing in it are from other regions? Why was Maharashtra not ashamed to claim to it after Independence when it was clear that everyone in the British India contributed to its development?

    Why does Karnataka claim Bangalore when it is clear that many settlers from various regions of India have contributed towards its development?

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  18. @ Sravan

    I am not claiming Hyderabad as part of Andhra, I am claiming it is a part of Andhra Pradesh and this is not just because Andhra Communist party leaders share in Peasant Struggle.

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  19. Sujai:

    There is a big tamasha going on that Telangana decision was taken hastily.

    Could you list out all the prior actions over the past decades and recent years...including the the involvement of various personalities/parties and the promises made by them (this blog has some of them...turncoat assholes)

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  20. To anonymous,
    If you are so eager to decide the fates on plebicite,
    Conduct it all over telangana inclusive of hyderabad.
    I again tell you that hyderabad is part and parcel of telangana.
    If not andhra people would have only asked for uniting hyderabad with andhra before the merger.
    Its just because no body ever thought of hyderabad as separate from telangana they had to unwantedly merge whole of telangana.

    If Hyderabad is separate from telangana why is it that whenever election results were declared and discussed on media, until recently,
    Hyderabad was grouped with other telangana districts and always telangana electorals were counted including Hyderabad results?
    This is only the tactic of your politicians to beguile you to think that you have the rightful claim on hyderabad?
    Please do not fall prey to your wicked politicians.
    Its good for both sides to separate with out any debate on hyderabad.
    Please reevaluate your opinions with open minds.
    Don't think that you would loose you dignity or hurt your ego if you change your opinion for good based on facts.
    "The greatest boon to mankind is that they can change their opinion. For they cannot change their brains, least can change the truth"
    Thanks

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  21. so called semi-educated guy doesn't even know
    You got that wrong. Who said I'm semi-educated. I'm illiterate!

    when the people of Andhra started migrating to US and how they contributed to US growth in various fields, and he doesn't know how many Medical Research foundations they have started and how these people of Andhra own so many Patent rights in various Technologies

    Really??!!! How many Nobel prizes? How did they contribute to US growth? How many medical research foundations? How many patents?? Care to explain. Do you have any numbers, facts, links to backup your extraordinary claims?

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  22. To all those separatist Telanganites who are working in US,Bangalore,Chennai,Vizag or any other part of the world who have taken up localites jobs should first resign their Job and take part or support this separatism other wise you dont have any moral to support this movement

    Thammi!! You got it all ass-backwards! What you should be proposing is: All those settlers in different cities - fight for the city to become a Union State or a separate state. Just like we Andhra people are doing! :)

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  23. Hyderabad whos development is mostly contributed by people all over from India and the major chunk of investment is from Andhra

    This remind me of the saying: Ulta chor kotwal ko dante! (The thief scolded the police chief)

    Hyderabad was a flourishing city, whose infrastructure was usurped by the Andhra people for their vested interests. All the buildings seized from Nizam (which belong to the people of Telangana) are occupied by Andhra administrators. Just taken over! There was no investment made ON Hyderabad by either Govts or by the people of Andhra.

    Of course, people bought/sold plots and made a ton of money. I wonder how that is considered a loss. Beats me!

    Earlier, you tried to steal Madras from Tamilnadu and that didn't turn our very well. To be fair, it was adjacent to Andhra and had higher Andhra population and was taken away from you. Stop stealing others hard built cities. Go build your own city. Avulu naakina palem!!!

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  24. @Sujay

    "Why does Maharashtra claim Mumbai when most of the people living and residing in it are from other regions? Why was Maharashtra not ashamed to claim to it after Independence when it was clear that everyone in the British India contributed to its development?

    Why does Karnataka claim Bangalore when it is clear that many settlers from various regions of India have contributed towards its development?"

    Your logic itself answers your question. Is Coorg or South Karnataka claiming Bangalore ?

    Is Vidarabha claiming Mumbai ?

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  25. ""

    Hyderabad was a flourishing city, whose infrastructure was usurped by the Andhra people for their vested interests. All the buildings seized from Nizam (which belong to the people of Telangana) are occupied by Andhra administrators. Just taken over! There was no investment made ON Hyderabad by either Govts or by the people of Andhra.
    ""


    Sodaraa!!!

    Your Wikipedia educated comments making me laugh my ass off.



    Good luck with your Telangana movement.

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  26. Jeevi,
    Please recognize that telangana is a very special case, comparable with any other regional politics in India.
    It is very unique in that it was merged with andhra purely on a "gentleman's agreement" which gives a provision for telangana people to separate out whenever they think it is not in their benefit to continue in a unified state.
    Whereas other states were formed based on SRC recommendation and through constitutional procedures.
    That is the reason we need to discuss telangana case separately from other similar demands.

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  27. In regards to the above statement, i apologize for the typo,
    I meant "not comparable". i somehow missed "not" in the flow
    Please correct it while you read

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  28. @Sravan,

    I am strictly not against Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema..
    I am only worried because Hyderabad would loose its sheen and cannot compete with the biggies anymore.

    Even, I am an opportunist(who isn't)..

    For me, Hyderabad would develop exponentially if it is made a UT. Don't you agree ?

    Hyderabad's request is as legitimate as Telangana's. If T wants to separate out from AP, Whats the problem if Hyd wants to separate out from T. Both are exactly the same demands.

    T wants to move out of AP for its own development, as T knows it can manage things better separately, Perfectly valid.

    Same way Hyderabad knows it can prosper well if it becomes autonomous and gets more freedom by moving out and becoming a UT.

    After all what people want is progress and development. Their growth first and then the surroundings..(How opportunistic, you might say).. So I am..

    I might as well have my own fears.. An unscrupulous politician like KCR becoming the CM and ruining the Hyderabad along with Telangana.. Why should we take a chance..

    Think from Hyderabad's perspective. And not from Telangana's or Andhra's.

    I am again pointing it out specifically, that I am being Neutral.

    And I was always open from the beginning. I haven't changed my stance from the beginning. You can check all my comments .. Search for "~We".. Neither was I pro nor anti to someone.

    And I never said anything bad about any blogger no matter what the response was from the other side..

    All the time I was just giving my point of view.. and just asked one straight question -
    If people of Hyderabad decide to form a separate state. Is everybody OK?
    And that too with their consent..

    Make Hyderabad a separate state and form 3 capitals in R,A and T.

    Don't raise the same question again that, Hyderabad is the heart/head of Telanagana. How can you separate it from Telangana ?

    Think of it as the same way T wants to separate from AP, so Hyd wants to separate from T. Simple and straight.

    And as I have always been mentioning, Ask what Hyderabad wants ? And not impose what T,A or R imposes.

    You want to speak to me, drop your mail Id, I'll can directly contact you.

    ~We

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  29. Awesome posts! Just found your blog! Great job, let's keep educating the uneducated, let's spread more knowledge, more light!

    @Anonymous
    First thing, I hate to talk to someone who does not have identity!
    Plebiscite in Hyderabad for what? Dude, we are not creating a new state here! People who are in Hyderabad, are Hyderabadis which has already been a capital of Hyderabad/Telangana state (1952-1956). We are just reviving that state! It's a revival, not a separation! We are revivalists, not separatists! Hyderabad will flourish to be a more tolerant city that it has always longed to be! Hyderabad needs the region around it, as much as the region around it will need Hyderabad!

    No one in Hyderabad needs to be scared of the future prospects! We are talking about an administrative change that does not need any mass exodus of sorts!

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  30. Mr. anonymous,
    This kind of view is incorrect. if what you are saying is correct then every city that is developed should detach from its state and become UT.
    Would you like that to happen?
    You said, everyone is opportunistic.
    But looks like you are not the one, considering your strong wish to develop hyderabad and not just yourself. Why do you think the city which developed as part of AP would not at all develop as part of Telangana?
    If what you said is correct hyderabad should be made UT right away irrespective if telangana forms or not?
    Do not try to bluff yourself with such opinion.
    Change your way of thinking. OK
    Remember what we all said when NTR and Babu were planning to make tirumala/tirupathi like Vatican City?
    I understand you are desperate to keep telangana united to andhra but you are caught in a dilemma being a telanganite for so longtime and unable to forget your ancestral links with andhra.
    You somehow made up your mind to agree with telangana as separate state but unable to digest that your ancestral links would be broken with andhra. That is why you are making special case out of hyderabad.
    Remember that if you are making a decision to align with telangana separatism it does not mean you are betraying you ancestral andhra folks. Just imagine it as a thing of historical importance and that we all are anyway bonded by telugu culture. No body is shooing you away from hyderabad or that you are not welcome to andhra region. We still live in a same country.
    So come out of those loyalities stuff and think with open mind. What happened to telangana in unified state and why it is better for us to separate on friendly terms?
    I hope you understand that I did not any way intended to apprehend you with my certain assumptions. But carefully examining a long list of my close friends' opinions whose fathers or forefathers came to settle in hyderabad I have understood that majority of this kind think the same way you think.
    This is not about dignity, ego-clash, identity crisis or any other bullshit? It is purely based on decades long neglect and strong urge to noramlize things in telangana.
    Please understand and reconsider your opinion.
    "The greatest boon to mankind is that, man can change his opinion. For, he cannot change his brain and least, can change the truth or facts."

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  31. @kartikthum,

    :) I am just being anonymous because, people tend to get biased. Nothing else.

    Why should it matter as long as I am able to put my point forward.

    And does you answer change with me revealing the identity ?

    And how can you say -
    Hyderabad needs the region around it, as much as the region around it will need Hyderabad

    Don't you want to ask the Hyderabadis ?
    Is it a dictatorship that you want to impose on Hyderabad ?

    And mind you Hyderabad is not the rocks or roads or the land.. It is the people. Without their consent how can you decide something ?

    ~We

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  32. Anonymous,
    Inspite of careful explanation/reply to your similar comments regarding the case of hyderabad you still say that hyderabad's fate should be made based on its peoples wish. well lets say we do it? Can you clearly draw the region which you want to conduct plebicite? Do you only want to include the boundaries dictated by MCH or do you want to consider HUDA boundaries? Do you want to include its ever growing suburbs or only limit it to places where you think are historical?
    Well since you said that hyderabad is not stones or trees but people let us come to that now?
    How do you describe hyderabadi? Who do you think is eligible to take part in plebicite? You mean those who were born in hyderabad or those whose fathers were born in hyderabad? Do you mean those who work in hyderabad in all kind of industries and agencies or only those who work in hyderabad govt. or muncipal jobs? Do you want to include only those elders who had recently voted from one of the polling stations in Hyderabad?
    Do you know what you are asking for? Something which is quite improbable to decide?
    For example my friends' dad for most of his life voted from his place of job somewhere in remote district of telangana where they lived along with him? But his ancestors were from hyderabad and his grand father was hyderabad born?
    Only in recent elections from 2003 that his dad voted in hyderabad because they own a house in hyderabad.
    It is very simple dude,
    Hyderabad is ofcourse you told belongs to its people. But what are their roots? Have they been living in hyderabad all their life or just came to live there for sake of jobs? Here again comes the issue of GO 610 and Mulki rules because their non-implementation has casued illegal settlement of scores of people from andhra? So do you want all of them to go back to their places and conduct voting?
    Ok their sons were born here? So atleast their progeny have the right to vote(I still doubt how many of their progeny were born in hyderabad. Because most of their progeny especially those of andhra settlers are usually get delivered at their mothers ancestral place?
    And yu know what hyderabad being the only large city in telangana most people for telangana come to hyderabad hospitals during delivery?
    So this list goes on very lengthy and what happens is when plebicite is conducted most of the rightful hyderabadi's will not have a chance to vote.
    So just forget about it dude.

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  33. Again if such a issue of plebicite comes up lot of people who lost the opportunity to settle in hyderabad because of non-implementation of mulki rules and GO 610 will ask for their rights?
    Don't you think they were actually legally supposed to be the rightful settlers of hyderabad?

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  34. To really conduct such plebicite we should conduct it almost every two years because of the constantly changing demographics of cosmopolitan city like hyderabad?
    Or do you plan to restrict anybody else to settle in hyderabad other than andhra people, once it forms a UT?
    Can you recognize the actual threat here?
    Or were you all along know this and acting as if you were sincerely wishing the development of hyderabad?
    Because you already said that Hyderabad as part of telangana would loose its sheen and development.
    So come out and explain your real intentions Mr. Anonymous.

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  35. Mr.Sravan Kumar Sarraju,
    Good. Now you are listening, Till now you were just fighting with closed ears.
    And I really appreciate the way you have written the comment. If only everyone talks positively, unlike the fight I see in all the blogs, it would have been much better.
    After all, we are all fighting against the common evil - The Political system(corruption, nepotism, inefficiency....)

    You can assume whatever you want to - about me, my identity, my ancestors.. I do not want to comment on that..
    In my opinion it shouldn't matter at all. And I give a damn about my Ego, Identity.. bla.. bla..

    Now coming to the actual point -
    Hyderabad should be made UT right away irrespective if Telangana forms or not?

    Yes, that's the best thing to happen for Hyderabad. But it is not possible as long as the state is not divided. Don't you agree ?
    So, If the state gets divided, Hyderabad becoming a UT is the best possible outcome for Hyderabad.

    And conducting a plebiscite in Hyderabad would give a clear majority for Hyderabad. I am confident of that.

    In the end, what matters is growth & development. Self growth first and then the surroundings.

    And How will it change the equation for Telangana ?
    Telangana would still have all the water sources which originate from it. All the other assets would still be with it.
    Nobody would usurp them from Telangana anymore, once Telangana is formed. And Telangana can plan its own growth.

    Will separating Hyderabad change any of the above ?

    Then why are you against a separate UT for Hyderabad ?

    It would be as if you are not fighting for the people of Telangana and its growth/development but for the Hyderabad.

    Why are you not able to reconsider your opinion on this? I have given you all the reasons, why it will not be for/against anyone.
    This way Karimnagar or Warrangal can also prosper in the separate state of Telangana.

    It is for everyone's good. Don't you agree ?

    And when you say something - "The greatest boon to mankind is that, man can change his opinion. For, he cannot change his brain and least, can change the truth or facts."
    You should be the first one to implement and follow it, then others will follow.

    Nothing personal.

    ~We

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  36. To all those hyderabadi's who think hyderabad should better be UT rather than part of poor telangana....

    There was once a very small region/state called X who were very keen to make X a world renowned city. They all came together one day and requested ideas from each of the intectual X'ians.
    Some said lets get separated and some said UT and some said lets ask funds and some said lets join some big state that has rich people and invite them."
    however they ended up resolving to follow the idea of a very elderly Xian.
    What this elderly X'ian said was,
    "OK we know that the region of which we are a part since ages is poor and they cannot help us to become more rich. So let us form an army and attack USA. Then USA will attack us and occupy us. Once we are part of USA we will be recognized as part of a very developed super power."


    So hyderabadi's who want separate from telangana as UT and you don't want to be part of telangana state just because it's people are poor and will not be able to invest in the city but would populate hyderabad as labor and beggars?
    If this is your opinion change it because it is completely irrational and ridiculously inept attitude towards your own people. Such attitude has never been liked or will be endorsed by humanity.
    Still you want this??

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  37. How can you claim Hyderabad as yours when everybody contributed for its growth? If your problem is backwardness of a region, you are always welcome to develop it. But pls dont put my Hyd in the hands of DS/KK/KCR. God! save my Hyd from all these ppl.

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  38. Anonymous,
    Inspite of all those wonderful questions I posed and asked you not to get apprehended you still seem to feel little bitter. Or else you would not have just selected a few sentences from my post and try to shoot my own words to me? Why do you think i never changed my opinion. Regarding this opinion, this is not that formed from fear or feeling insensitive and dishonorable for being called as part of a backward region. I formed this opinion after seeing and going through lots of suffering. You can only change it by providing facts but not your arguments about how you want to develop hyderabad. That would seem very much self centric on your part. I don't see any such kind of valid reasons you presented in your comments except for trying to woo me by saying few good words about other region/cities of telangana.
    Dude its time that you start believing in the fact that being called hyderabadi you have your self acknowledged yourself to be part of telangana.
    So try to know about telangana and its suffering and the reasons behind it before you come to any judgement.
    My recent post adequately answers your concerns i hope.
    And you still did not give me your opinion on the comments i made on plebicite.
    Don't you want to bring your real intentions out???/

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  39. Anonymous
    Did you watch the movie "Jalsa"?
    I think very few will forget about the comedy scene in which The doctor ties and tapes the mouth of sunil to tell him all he wanted to say. And do you remember what sunil asks him about once he untapes the mouth?
    Ad do you rememberwhat doctor explains to him?
    It was very funny moment but some times we do come across people like that.
    Don't we?

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  40. @Sravan Sarraju -
    I can only ':-)'

    Only you, have dragged us(telangana ppl) down by attributing those cheap words..
    Please refrain from using those words and drag us down..

    If you can not reason well and answer a question, then RESIGN.
    But never impose your thoughts on others w/o reasoning.

    It is after all an opinion, let it be yours or mine.
    Neither You nor I, can attain our goal single handedly.

    ~We

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  41. And to telugu thammudu,
    In my back yard I planted a mango tree and I appointed a gardener to take care of it. He did wonderful job and the tree grew so much. I acknowledge his immense efforts in the growth of the tree and I also want him to acknowledge that being the gardener he earned his livelihood from me.
    Suddenly he shows up one day and tells me that his son has a good job in other state and he wants to take care of him and so he wants to leave.
    So I give him some money and wish him good luck. But the gardener insists that he will cut the tree and take it away with him to his son's city because he helped the tree grew. So what do you think about this man's claim. If not possible he asks me to write him of the land in which the tree grew up. What would you do if you were in my place?

    Thats what you are asking now? Your city grew in telangana region and now you think you want to part it from the land it grew up in? Or would you give him the rights on the piece of land?

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  42. Anonymous I take it all,
    But why do you refrain yourself from giving out your real intentions?
    Why don't you answer about the plebicite thing that you have been chanting from the beginning.
    Did you loose on that?
    I don't think so....
    But where is that?

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  43. @Sravan

    Sorry, I have also got work to do in the office. So, I am slow in responding.

    Do I have to explain on Plebiscite, Isn't it a known fact ?
    Anybody who has the right to Vote in Hyderabad can be a part of the plebiscite.
    Previous 6 years of residence decides whether someone gets a vote right in a locality.
    Same holds good for colleges, schools etc..
    Not sure though, you can google and confirm.

    Also the sentiment is very strong in Hyderabad for a separate UT or state, provided the state is divided.
    And the ministers Danam Nagender and Mukesh Goud have already aired that on TV many times now..

    You need not go into all these dude, let me put it straight -
    KCR not contesting in the recent GHMC elections is a confirmation for that. KCR knew it all about Hyderabad.
    I am not saying KCR is the only flag bearer for Telangana movement,
    But all the parties which were for T before Assembly elections had softnend thier stand before GHMC.
    With Political parties that is expected.

    Will me revealing Identity change your Opinion ? Then you are biased and always seeing the world from one-eye, even though you have two.

    And I have been answering all you questions from the beginning. Don't you want to reciprocate ?
    All I asked was just one question( even though they seem many ) -

    How will a separate Hyderabad change the equation for Telangana ?
    Telangana would still have all the water sources which originate from it. All the other assets would still be with it.
    Nobody would usurp them from Telangana anymore, once Telangana is formed. And Telangana can plan its own growth.

    Will separating Hyderabad change any of the above ?

    Then why are you against a separate UT for Hyderabad ?

    It would be as if you are not fighting for the people of Telangana and its growth/development but for Hyderabad.


    Simple and Straight.

    As, I already said, if it is beyond you comprehension, then RESGIN.
    But please don't come up with one more story or Cinema anecdote.. I do not have time to explain you more.

    Else, Give me your contact and I will take it offline. You will know my identity as well.
    Why do you want to waste others time as well ?

    ~We

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  44. ~We, Sravan:
    I have put my take on Telangana in the new post.

    Hyderabad a Union Territory?

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  45. ~We:


    If people of Hyderabad decide to form a separate state. Are you OK?


    No, I am not OK. My reasons are put up as "Hyderabad a Union Territory?" on this blog.

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  46. ~We:

    Plebiscite in Hyderabad does not make a case. Why should someone hold a plebiscite in a city that had invited settlers to settle down?

    Imagine Bangalore invites many foreigners to work in the city and imagine they comprise a majority. Does that mean India will now hold a plebiscite just in the city?

    Telangana and Andhra, though they were one state, they had clear agreements on how to take care of domicile issues. They were flouted blatantly.

    Why should Telangana pay the price for that flouting now?

    First you rob the bank, and then when you are caught stealing, you say the money will now belong to everyone who is inside the bank!

    ;-)

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  47. ~We:

    All I asked was take a plebiscite in Hyderabad. Do you fear loosing it ? Then you are the biggest coward..

    It is not about cowardice. It is about commonsense. Imagine Karnataka hosts a cricket game. Now, many people from Sri Lanka come to watch it. They suddenly realize that there are more Sri Lankans in the cricket stadium than the Indians.

    Now they ask for a plebiscite for just that cricket stadium to create a small island for themselves.

    India rejects that demand outright. When you deny such demands, it is not called cowardice. It is just plain and simple silly to even entertain it.

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  48. ~We:

    Else it would be as if you are not fighting for Telangana and the people but for the Jewel in AP.

    We all have to live with the jewels we have. There is no fun eyeing others. Fighting for Telangana includes fight for Hyderabad the way fighting for India included fighting for New Delhi. There was no fight explicitly for New Delhi.

    And we should thank British that they were saner than the current Andhra politicians because they didn’t start raising issues like, ‘Where will New Delhi be since we have invested so much and since so many Pakistanis have invested so much’.

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  49. ~We:

    For me, Hyderabad would develop exponentially if it is made a UT. Don't you agree ?

    No. We don't agree.

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  50. ~We:

    Conduct a plebiscite in Hyderabad and then decide on the fate..

    Nobody is asking you to take a consensus among the whole state.. just have it in Hyderabad.


    Can't be. Shouldn't be done.

    Just because the number of guests have overstayed the party and are now more than the number of hosts, they can't ask for a plebiscite to take over the home.

    Doesn't make sense.

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  51. ~We:

    Do you also want to take the U-turn now just like all the jokers(politicos)and say Hyderabad cannot fight for its rights ?
    They will have to live with us forcibly..


    Definition of U-turn: First you promise something and later you go against it completely.

    Telangana people never promised to hold a plebiscite or a referendum for deciding the fate of Hyderabad. We have been consistent. That's not called a U-turn.

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  52. I am a resident of central-Hyderabad from five generations. I am a pro-Telanagana supporter.


    In the following, I address different earlier commentators on THIS post of Sujai. Since there are many Anonymous Commentators (AC), each AC will be identified as AC_1, AC_2 , AC_3, AC_4, AC_5, AC_6 and AC_7 also same holds for Jeevi's. Excuse me, I am aware that some of this ACs are aliases of the same. The number 'N' is a positive (finite) integer greater than zero. Finally, I quote the text from the comment of AC_i (@AC_i) between left curly brace '{' and right curly brace '}'.


    @AC_1

    {

    Andhra people or rayalaseema people are not grabbing Hyderabad from Telangana..

    Conduct a plebiscite in Hyderabad and then decide on the fate..

    Nobody is asking you to take a consensus among the whole state.. just have it in Hyderabad.

    If Hyderabad votes for a separate state, then one can infer -

    1.That Hyderabad people are not willing to go with Telanagana..

    2.They fear that Hyderabad would decline if the state is divided.

    3.And they need their own identity.

    }

    Since, I start by refuting from the bottom.

    3: Seems your identifier is ok by staying with AP. Wow! ironic.

    2: No one fears, excepting some crooked andhra/seema-people who migrated to Hyderabad after 1950's.

    1: This is out of discussion, because the state of Hyderabad does not produce rice/wheat enough for our population. Seems you (your kind of people) just want to eat 'bytes of data' or 'software' than food. I cannot afford to import, since every third Indian citizen is under poverty such imports become very expensive. The most vulnerable problem is drinking water. Don't suggest to use some software to shower water from HITECH city.

    {

    So if T people are confident enough that Hyderabad would vote for them, then they should be ready for a plebiscite

    }

    You are a dogmatic-individual, if you (your kind as well) were so much concerned how was the bhook-hartaal permitted in Hyderabad (HYD). Wake up! please do not impose your statement/opinion as the opinion of entire HYD-population. Better restrict your concern to yourself by quantifying a statement with a pronoun 'I' (i.e yourself AC_1) in first person. I have seen the recent propaganda of HYDERABAD-UT. Can you imagine what is at stake for Hyderabadis, we loose the territory and so will be the administrative infrastructure, because when HYDERABAD forms a UT (after partitioning of AP into Telanagana and Andhra+Seema), is it not imminent that all the HQ offices will be dissolved. Seems for you only software industry makes Hyderabad. Think man!

    I think I need not go to your example. But any way, to quench and bust your example logic, for the sake of completeness let me refute that as well.

    Seems, your biology is very weak if not pervert, because of the following LEMMA:

    Going to set theory: H \subset B (by default), so no further entertainment.

    Your example makes me to ask "were your parents married after you are born?" Of course, do not worry, I respect such families and their wards as well.

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  53. .... continuing the previous comment.

    @AC_2
    Since AC_2 continues AC_1, which is refuted above, so are AC_2's comments.
    @AC_3
    {
    Brother, you do not have the courage to answer my question, so you call me a coward.. how silly.
    }
    Hahaha! You are making me to question, to which generation-Hyderabadi are you i.e. are your great-/grandfathers from Hyderabad. Anyway, where was your 'current' boldness ( i.e. non-cowardliness) before Telangana announcement was made? Sleeping!
    {
    Hyderabad 400 years ago, or Hyderabad in 1956 and Hyderabad now are not the same.. You should understand that first..
    All I asked was take a plebiscite in Hyderabad. Do you fear loosing it ?
    Then you are the biggest coward
    }
    You, as a sane person, are less thoughtful. All people (like you) are only worried of the HITECH infra-structure. Come on wo/man (or an eunuch), it is a common sense, the infrastructure of Hyderabad will not get influenced by the formation of Telangana with Hyd as the capital. Thus, since the infrastructure flourishment remains invariant, the logic of plebiscite from the perspective of a both sensible and sane Hyderabadi serves no purpose. A plebiscite with no consequences might be meaningful to you, but I can not afford to share the costs of such a plebiscite.
    I have seen you signing it as "we" are you a person with two bodies or do you represent some group of people? Just curious to know. I mind because of two reasons, firstly, your identity is anonymous, and secondly you do not cite who your peers are.
    @AC_4:
    {
    Check the dictionary first and then come back to me :)
    }
    Indian constitution 'fortunately' does define neither the term "plebiscite" nor its synonym "referendum". I said 'fortunately' because this would have had grave consequences on the very territorial integrity of the Republic of India.
    You revered person, I agree that not every term in dictionary needs to have a meaning in the constitution. Sometimes exemptions are permitted provided history has witnessed similar actions. Again, the history witnessed the partitioning of hitherto huge states into small ones eg: Gujarath, Jharkhand, etc but not public-opinion plebiscites.
    @AC_5:
    Please look to @AC_1 to @AC_4.
    @AC_6:
    Since you already said "tamasha", seems you are an alien to the issue on hand.

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  54. .... continuing from previous comment...

    @Jeevi_1:
    {
    If Telangana is a self-respect issue then why are you claiming Hyderabad whos development is mostly contributed by people all over from India and the major chunk of investment is from Andhra. Aren't you ashamed to claim what others have developed ?
    }
    You mean software and/or commerce industry is because of the investments from the coastal-Andhra. Wow! Thanks for the enlightenment. I only mentioned these industries, for the obvious reasons. See any investor invests for the sake of his/her own profit margins. So no investor sacrifices anything for the sake of developing third person's life. The following is an exemption.
    Yeah! agreed, you are referring to the great SATYAM, which is now Mahindra-Satyam. Open your eyes Jeevi. This company is talked with filthy comments in the international business circles. You know what, one dutch colleague came to me (for the first time on an indian non-software-related issue) enquiring about the "Satyam's fraud". Well agreed Andhra-industrialists definitely brought fame to Hyderabad but for notorious reasons.
    Well I thank you for your not claiming Chennai was developed because of Andhras FOR, prior to 1950's the south eastern part of current AP was integral part of the then Madras Presidency.
    {
    Funny part is your so called leader (Telangana Muddu bidda) KCR's and his muddu bidda KTR wants to introduce those slave H1 type work visa in Hyderabad , ha ha haa. God save Telangana
    }
    No Indian citizen needs any visa to either reside or work in the territorial borders of the Republic of India.
    Other dogmatics apart, can you give the citation for the following: are you talking of the peasants of Telangana region!
    {
    Wasn't it with the support of Andhra Communist party leaders (Andhra Maha Sabha)the poor peasants who got liberated from bonded labour from high cast feudal lord who were robbing their lands and raping their women for generations.
    }
    The whole problem is no water in Telangana, how come there be feudal lords.

    @Jeevi_2:
    {
    To all those separatist Telanganites who are working in US,Bangalore,Chennai,Vizag or any other part of the world who have taken up localites jobs should first resign their Job and take part or support this separatism other wise you dont have any moral to support this movement
    }
    Well you talk of morals. Wow kudos!

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  55. Anonymous:

    There is a big tamasha going on that Telangana decision was taken hastily.

    It is sixty years late ;-) if that is haste. I don't know what is haste.

    The whole notion that it was done in haste is a drama. We don't have to think too much about it. Soon people will forget about it. The core reasons will remain. The actual reasons will come out- it will become clear that it is all about Hyderabad.

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  56. ... still continuing from previous comment...


    @AC_6:
    {
    You answered the wrong question again..

    The Question is -
    If people of Hyderabad decide to form a separate state. Are you OK?
    }

    In @AC_1 to @AC_5, this is answered.
    {
    Chanti gaadu local.. puttindi, perigindi ikkade..
    Hyderabad - AP - India - World.
    }
    If so, stay as Chanti, because Hyderabad will no more be having so much business if the Telangana region is trimmed off.
    {
    I don't want to go into further details of my identity, as you guys you get biased if I say this or that.. And it is irrelavent..
    }
    I think you already gave your identity as Chanti, though late but correct.

    {
    All I wanted to hear is the answer to the actual question.

    This time I hope you would answer the question and prove you are a master in Arithmetic, RC and everything.

    ~We
    }
    Chanti, this is already answered under @AC_1 to @AC_5.

    I already said you are just a lone hyderabadi with this frame of thought.

    @TeluguThammudu:
    {
    ...Hyd in the hands of DS/KK/KCR. God! save my Hyd from all these ppl.
    }
    Seems you are happy with Rosaiah. Don't worry Rosaiah/ Lt.YSR / someone else can in no way effect the prosperity of Hyderabad.

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  57. First of all why the question arises?? Why should be hyderabad considered separate from telangana???

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  58. Anonymous ---we,

    I agree with you the child H is having right to exist on his own and wants to break out of colonial Telangana people who wants to colonize Hyderabad.

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  59. Sujai,

    "Why did India lay claim to New Delhi when the development is contributed by all people including those residing in Pakistan? "


    We have lost 4 million peoples life this is the price.

    The Price for Hyderabad is also high.

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  60. Blueshift:

    We have lost 4 million peoples life this is the price.

    I didn't understand. Pardon my ignorance. Can you elaborate?

    The most inflated numbers of those who died during Partition is put at 1 Million. Most commonly estimates put the number at 0.5 Million.

    Moreover, nobody died fighting for New Delhi. Nobody debated if New Delhi would go to India or not. Jinnah did not claim New Delhi for Pakistan.

    So I am not sure what your intention was in writing this.

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  61. "Moreover, nobody died fighting for New Delhi. Nobody debated if New Delhi would go to India or not. Jinnah did not claim New Delhi for Pakistan."

    For Muslims in India they got a great deal of a new country. We cannot compare this to division of state.

    What did andhra people get in this deal .....dust..... nothing more.

    4 million is not inflated.
    Please check Payne's sources.

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  62. Guys,
    trust me. Hyderabad will be fine even after the formation of telangana. There will be lull in the short term in the hyd real estate market (I am sure most of you are worried about this) but this can not change the long term prospects of the city. I am also sure you (telangana people on this blog including me) will not get anything with the formation of telangana. Only politicians like KCR will benifit and these dramas have always been there in the history of India/World. The black money of politicians in and around hyd will go into the hands of other politicians/gundas/police. Being a telanganite, I would definetly support a seperate state If i saw a great leader in telangana and definetly not KCR. Telangana has been poor for decades only because of lack of water. Telangana never got more than 15% of the AP's water (you can google it to confirm).

    YSR actually did a good thing to spend most of the Jalayagnam's in Telangana but I dont know what will happen to these projects after the formation of the new state. Can any one guarantee that they will be completed and telangana people can get water with the leadership of KCR?

    With the development of Hyd all the neighbouring telangana districts (mahabub nagar, nalgonda, ranga reddy) also developped.

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  63. So much tamasha! I wonder why people of Bihar, UP and MP didn't resort to the same tricks when new states were carved out by dividing them. Those people were fools to let the divisions happen peacefully. Should have learnt something from Andhra, the great Telugu Union. Btw I am not from Andhra or Telangana. I am a migrant to Hyderabad and I fail to understand why should Hyderabad the capital of Telangana be a worse place to live than Hyderabad the capital of AP. What will change? The roads, the buildings, or the software companies who have their offices here? Why should software companies care about the name of the state?

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  64. Sorry to make you guys wait.. I thought, I would do some justice to my job as well :-)
    My reasoning for Hyderabad as a separate UT/State follows....

    ~We

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  65. @Sujai
    Good ones, but you still haven't donned my Hat. You are still looking at the issue with a single Eye..


    Imagine Bangalore invites many foreigners to work in the city and imagine they comprise a majority. Does that mean India will now hold a plebiscite just in the city?


    I thought you were intelligent enough after reading all your posts.. How can you compare Foreigners and Indians ?
    Do you understand the difference between Foreigners and Indians ?
    Do foreigners have the right to vote ?



    Imagine Karnataka hosts a cricket game. Now, many people from Sri Lanka come to watch it. They suddenly realize that there are more Sri Lankans in the cricket stadium than the Indians.


    SriLankans are again Foreigners. If at all, all those Srilankans are given a citizenship and they belong to the same locality and have the Vote rights in that locality, then their demand is very much valid.



    We all have to live with the jewels we have. There is no fun eying others. Fighting for Telangana includes fight for Hyderabad the way fighting for India included fighting for New Delhi. There was no fight explicitly for New Delhi.


    You are just contradicting yourself. You said you are fighting for the development of Telangana.
    As you said Andhra people have looted you and your resources. All these resources are still intact without Hyderabad.
    So, you first decide what are you fighting for.. then fight..



    ~For me, Hyderabad would develop exponentially if it is made a UT. Don't you agree ?
    No. We don't agree.


    Your agreement or not doesn't matter. Opinion of Hyderabad people is all that matters.



    Can't be. Shouldn't be done.
    Just because the number of guests have overstayed the party and are now more than the number of hosts, they can't ask for a plebiscite to take over the home.


    So you fear that you would loose if a plebiscite is conducted :-)
    Definition of a GUEST: A person who stays at a place only for a certain period of time. Not the people who are born here or have made Hyderabad their home.

    It is sad and it is a pity you call Hyderabadis as guests in Hyderabad.
    Do you know why some people still call Kashmiris on either side of the border(LOC) as Muhajirs
    Because it is people like you who still alienate people on the basis of region.


    ~We

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  66. @Sujai


    Definition of U-turn: First you promise something and later you go against it completely.
    Telangana people never promised to hold a plebiscite or a referendum for deciding the fate of Hyderabad. We have been consistent. That's not called a U-turn.


    You got me wrong here, it is not about the plebiscite or your stance on Hyderabad.
    I very much appreciate your stance/opinion.

    By U-Turn I meant - If Hyderabad wants to get out of Marriage, Will you still force Hyd to stay united ?
    Just like how you are claiming that Andhra is forcing you to stay united ?
    Don't you care about what Hyderabad people want ? Do you think there is sentiment here ? The GHMC elections themselves were a big indication to that..

    You have been saying Andhra has looted Telangana and all its resources.. And still fear they would keep looting you..
    And always think of why Telangana was merged with Andhra. If only Telangana were separate we would have prospered like anything..

    Same logic applies here.. What is the gaurantee that Telangana would not loot Hyderabad ?
    Why should we take a chance in the first place and then repent like Telangana ?
    And then fight for separate UT/State for Hyderabad.
    We are just being pro-active..
    We do not even have a KCR.. Who will fight for us at a later stage :-(

    And on your other post.. Hyderabad a Union Territory ?
    Hyderabad as a separate UT/State is very much possible..
    There are so many things which happen for the first time..
    You or I cannot control who comes in or goes out of a place. It is a free country..
    Maharashtra/Mumbai has been protesting about the inflow. Did people stop going to those places..
    Everybody has the right to stay whereever he/she wants to.

    Any part in India has the right to ask/decide what they want. It doesn't matter if the part is a state capital or a town or a small village.
    All that matters is what the people want.

    And look at the population chart by state/UT..(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_India_by_population)
    More than 10 states and all the UTs have population less than Hyderabad's( approx ~1 Crore).
    Out of 3.5-4 Crore Telangana people, 1 Crore are in Hyderabad and that's not a small number.

    Your own cited example, the newly formed Uttarakhand has lesser population when compared to Hyderabad.

    So if Hyderabad wants a separate UT/State's status.. it is very much legitimate..
    As legitimate as Telangana's demand.. Is it one rule for you and another for me :-(

    Now you can say Mumbai has approx ~2 Crore population, can they fight for a separate state ? Yes, very much.
    It is upto them. You or I cannot dictate terms in Mumbai.. It is upto the people of Mumbai..

    So please do not fight for us.. Please know what you are fighting for and once a separate Hyd is formed.. We would definitely support whatever your cause be, provided you are fighting for the inclusive growth and development of the people.



    ~We

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  67. @malgudidays

    Woohoooooo.. One more Hyderabadi, Welcome to the club dude.. We share the same blood..
    So shouldn't that mean you should be supporting me ?
    Never mind, If one person doesn't support me, I do not become an orphan..


    3: Seems your identifier is ok by staying with AP. Wow! ironic.


    What to do.. I donot have a go.. Now Hyderabad is owned by 3 regions.. R, A & T.
    Everybody owns me.. If it is divided, then Hyderabad can separate itself and have an Identity..



    2: No one fears, excepting some crooked andhra/seema-people who migrated to Hyderabad after 1950's.


    Thanks for the assurance. I was born here.. So I need not worry :-)
    I only worry about those who had migrated to Hyderabad long back from T, A and R.. and think Hyderabad is thier home.
    If you people still call them as Guests, How will they be assured :-(



    1: This is out of discussion, because the state of Hyderabad does not produce rice/wheat enough for our population. Seems you (your kind of people) just want to eat 'bytes of data' or 'software' than food. I cannot afford to import, since every third Indian citizen is under poverty such imports become very expensive. The most vulnerable problem is drinking water. Don't suggest to use some software to shower water from HITECH city.


    Seriously, I do not understand what you say. Please forgive me for my lack of comprehension.



    Can you imagine what is at stake for Hyderabadis, we loose the territory and so will be the administrative infrastructure, because when HYDERABAD forms a UT (after partitioning of AP into Telanagana and Andhra+Seema), is it not imminent that all the HQ offices will be dissolved. Seems for you only software industry makes Hyderabad. Think man!


    A new UT or State still needs to be administered dude.. So yes you need all the infrastructure and the HQ offices, which we very much have in Hyderabad.
    How would separate T, A or R take away the infrastructure of hyderabad ?
    I am sorry again, if I got this wrong.. My Comprehension .. Damn it ..


    ~We

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  68. @malgudis


    Seems, your biology is very weak if not pervert, because of the following LEMMA:
    Going to set theory: H \subset B (by default), so no further entertainment.


    I have to admit my Biology is poor, its been ages since I studided Biology. You seem to be too good at everything Bro..
    Now I am jealous of you..

    I was actually expecting Sujai, to find the loophole in the A-B-H equation. Sujai, How can you miss it dude.. You have disappointed me..

    Nevertheless, My own blood shared brother has found the err.
    But brother, Didn't I tell you, I already had the answer..

    A-B-H : Chapter 3 - A the Step Father :-)

    B the divorcee already had a son H.
    Now B was forcibly married to A, who is also a divorcee.

    The rest of the story remains the same..
    A supports H financially and B gives all the motherly love..

    But still because of the differences between A & B, H isn't happy.

    H is independent, has a job and can sustain himself/herself..

    So, H decides to call it quits..

    And what happened to A & B ?

    How will H know.. Sujai and their counterparts should know..



    You are making me to question, to which generation-Hyderabadi are you i.e. are your great-/grandfathers from Hyderabad. Anyway, where was your 'current' boldness ( i.e. non-cowardliness) before Telangana announcement was made? Sleeping!


    I have already told you, You & I belong to the same blood.
    Are you talking to me or my parents, grand-parents. How does it matter anyway ?

    You have been saying Andhra has looted Telangana and all its resources.. And still fear they would keep looting you..
    And always think of why Telangana was merged with Andhra. If only Telangana were separate we would have prospered like anything..

    Same logic applies here.. What is the guarantee that Telangana would not loot Hyderabad ?
    Why should we take a chance in the first place and then repent like Telangana ?
    And then fight for separate UT/State for Hyderabad.
    We are just being pro-active..
    We do not even have a KCR.. Who will fight for us at a later stage :-(



    You, as a sane person, are less thoughtful. All people (like you) are only worried of the HITECH infra-structure. Come on wo/man (or an eunuch), it is a common sense, the infrastructure of Hyderabad will not get influenced by the formation of Telangana with Hyd as the capital. Thus, since the infrastructure flourishment remains invariant, the logic of plebiscite from the perspective of a both sensible and sane Hyderabadi serves no purpose. A plebiscite with no consequences might be meaningful to you, but I can not afford to share the costs of such a plebiscite.
    I have seen you signing it as "we" are you a person with two bodies or do you represent some group of people? Just curious to know. I mind because of two reasons, firstly, your identity is anonymous, and secondly you do not cite who your peers are.


    Sane, thanks.. Less thoughtful, Now I have found my lost brother.. I'll learn from him..
    Don't worry Bro, I can assure you, we cannot loose it, if a plebiscite were conducted :-)
    Our city would be world-class, if we form a separate State/UT.. You should be happy for that..

    You have reasoned my reasoning, what is it to do with my Gender/Age/Weight/Height/colour/caste/religion.. or my parents or GrandParents..
    Bro we come from the same blood. Please do not act and make statements like KCR..

    If you are still curious, post your mailId in the comments and I will send you all my details :-)


    ~We

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  69. ~We:

    You are just contradicting yourself. You said you are fighting for the development of Telangana.
    As you said Andhra people have looted you and your resources. All these resources are still intact without Hyderabad.
    So, you first decide what are you fighting for.. then fight..


    In a post on this blog “Case for Telangana”, I write the following:

    “The struggle for Telangana is not about creating smaller states for the purpose of better administration. It is not just about alleviating the problems of backwardness. It is not just about identity politics created for serving selfish interests of some politicians. It is not about creating a new state or splitting a state. It is about restoring a state that originally had an existence. It is a genuine movement of people who constitute a historical, cultural, economic and geographical entity and has a voice in self-expression, self-rule, self-determinism within legal confines of Indian Constitution and Indian democracy which made certain promises to its people at the time of Independence.”

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  70. @malgudis


    Indian constitution 'fortunately' does define neither the term "plebiscite" nor its synonym "referendum". I said 'fortunately' because this would have had grave consequences on the very territorial integrity of the Republic of India.
    You revered person, I agree that not every term in dictionary needs to have a meaning in the constitution. Sometimes exemptions are permitted provided history has witnessed similar actions. Again, the history witnessed the partitioning of hitherto huge states into small ones eg: Gujarath, Jharkhand, etc but not public-opinion plebiscites.


    There are many things which happen for the first time Bro..
    After its first draft, Hasn't the Indian constitution changed at all ?

    OK, It is against the very territorial integrity of the Republic of India. Bro, as you say, I have to agree..

    But then,
    Any part in India has the right to ask/decide what they want. It doesn't matter if the part is a state capital or a town or a small village.
    All that matters is what the people want.

    And look at the population chart by state/UT..(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_India_by_population)
    More than 10 states and all the UTs have population less than Hyderabad's( approx ~1 Crore).
    Out of 3.5-4 Crore Telangana people, 1 Crore are in Hyderabad and that's not a small number.

    The newly formed Uttarakhand has lesser population when compared to Hyderabad.

    So if Hyderabad wants a separate UT/State's status.. it is very much legitimate..
    As legitimate as Telangana's demand.. Is it one rule for you and another for me :-(

    Now you can say Mumbai has approx ~2 Crore population, can they fight for a separate state ? Yes, very much.
    It is upto them. You or I cannot dictate terms in Mumbai.. It is upto the people of Mumbai..

    As I already said, it is not the rocks, roads, area of the land, history, culture or anything else that decides a place..
    It is the people..



    If so, stay as Chanti, because Hyderabad will no more be having so much business if the Telangana region is trimmed off.


    Bro, If Hyderabad is made separate, we have all the autonomy. And there is no stopping us.
    These T, A and R guys are deceiving you. Please do not fall into their trap.




    I think you already gave your identity as Chanti, though late but correct.


    Have you seen the Telugu movie - IDIOT.. and the famous dialougue "City ki entho mandi Comissionarlu vostuntari potuntaru.. kaani Chanti gaadu eppudu ikkade.. Chanti gaadi Local"
    Bro you want to call me as Chanti.. Then You would be my Elder Bro, as I am chanti to you :-)




    I already said you are just a lone Hyderabadi with this frame of thought.


    Bro, The sentiment is very strong in Hyderabad for a separate UT or state, provided the state is divided.
    And the ministers Danam Nagender and Mukesh Goud have already aired that on TV many a times now..

    KCR not contesting in the recent GHMC elections is a confirmation for that. KCR knew it all about Hyderabad.
    I am not saying KCR is the only flag bearer for Telangana movement,
    But all the parties which were for T before Assembly elections had softnend their stand before GHMC.

    How many times, Should i explain the same thing to you Bro..

    Bro, we are on the stronger side. It is high time you changed parties and switch over to this side :-)


    ~We

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  71. I can understand KCR is fighting for power and to become CM. Rayala seema politicians are fighting because they have lot of black money in and around hyd. Andhra politicians are fighting not to lose the power.

    Why are you poor chaps fighting? dont fight, if u have brains use them and come with ideas for the development of everybody.

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  72. NJ,
    Do you think same about the lakhs of people and students who recently took part in agitaions first in telangana and now in andhra and seema?
    Do you really think everyone should just go ahead giving importance to their own and do not socialize at all for a community cause?
    What is it you are proposing, a civic common sense or just selfishness?

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  73. I have a request to you. Please disable anonymous commentators, because I am offended by the anonymous commentator who is addressing me as brother for the following reasons:
    1. S/he is not my sister/brother;
    2. I cannot identify myself with any of such kind of AnonymouS guyS (ASS), who identify themselves as aliens to Telangana;
    3. This ASS even do not qualify to be placed under the Hyd-umbrella;
    4. S/he smells like a rat in Hyderabad: the capital of Telangana;
    5. S/he is self contradictory, because at one place he criticises wikipedia and at another bases his/her arguments on it. How ironic!
    6. Most importantly s/he discriminates between Telangana and its capital. So s/he stinks ignorance.
    7. I cannot permit a person lacking the essential skills (epistemological/reading/writing) to address me.

    Also one more request, please delete all his/her comments addressing me (labeled as @malgudis). I would be thankful if you can disable the possibility for anonymous comments completely.

    Finally, I like to get the IP address from which these anonymous comments, where words like ``blood`` were posted from.

    Mera bhaarath mahaan!

    PS: Sravan, Yog.. and Sujai never waste time in answering with ASS-like people.

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  74. Dear Sujai (the web-log owner),

    I have a request to you. Please disable anonymous commentators, because I am offended by the anonymous commentator who is addressing me as brother for the following reasons:
    1. S/he is not my sister/brother;
    2. I cannot identify myself with any of such kind of AnonymouS guyS (ASS), who identify themselves as aliens to Telangana;
    3. This ASS even do not qualify to be placed under the Hyd-umbrella;
    4. S/he smells like a rat in Hyderabad: the capital of Telangana;
    5. S/he is self contradictory, because at one place he criticises wikipedia and at another bases his/her arguments on it. How ironic!
    6. Most importantly s/he discriminates between Telangana and its capital. So s/he stinks ignorance.
    7. I cannot permit a person lacking the essential skills (epistemological/reading/writing) to address me.

    Also one more request, please delete all his/her comments addressing me (labeled as @malgudis). I would be thankful if you can disable the possibility for anonymous comments completely.

    Finally, I like to get the IP address from which these anonymous comments, where words like ``blood`` were posted from.

    Mera bhaarath mahaan!

    PS: Sravan, Yog.. and Sujai never waste time in answering with ASS-like people.

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  75. @malgudis

    I had a nice laugh :-)

    This behavior is attributed when somebody stops to think Rational.

    I have never used bad words, It is you who have commented on me, my parents and roots.

    Please refrain from using bad language. Ooh you said ASS and not Ass, that's not a bad word sorry ;-)

    Hyderabad: the capital of Telangana
    No Comments :-)

    I am no more anonymous Bro, I am your Chanti.

    Finally, I like to get the IP address from which these anonymous comments, where words like ``blood`` were posted from.
    Now I am really worried. Will you send some TRS activists to my Home (shivering.. T'T'T'T'T teeth beating....)

    @Sujai,
    It is up to you to delete my posts, if you feel I have used derogatory words/language..
    Else, I would assume you are curtailing the freedom of speech.

    @All
    I am just a participant, and do not represent whole of Hyderabad.
    But, I have the right to ask some questions just as any Hyderabadi.
    This might not be the only place.
    If you think, I am being illogical, irrational and want me to stop posting comments, I will definitely Resign.

    Many Thanks,
    ~We

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