Friday, December 18, 2009

Telangana XIX: Hyderabad a Union Territory?

When Bombay State was split to form Maharashtra and Gujarat in 1960, some Gujarati leaders laid claim to Mumbai. The arguments are very similar to what we hear today about Hyderabad during Telangana separation. That there are many Gujarati settlers in Mumbai, that they feel unsafe there in the hands of Maratha goons, that they had invested too much and made Mumbai with their bare hands, and so on - the usual stuff that always precedes every separation in India.

Some Gujaratis proposed that Mumbai should be made a Union Territory so that nobody gets the city. Fortunately for India, sanity prevailed. Sanity prevailed even when Andhras had laid claim to Chennai when they split from Madras State to form Andhra State. During that time also, there was a discussion as to whether Chennai should be made a Union Territory.

So what’s this whole deal with converting capital cities into Union Territories? Why do people ask something like this during each separation?

Nobody wants to let go of a capital city because everyone is attached to it. Everyone has some connection of some kind, an investment, a relative or the other. And when their capital city goes to the other side, they don’t feel good about it. That happens with every separation. It’s hard on somebody. But the villa has to go to one party. It cannot be split right in the middle.

Right now, there is clamor from Andhra-Rayalaseema politicians and people to convert Hyderabad into Union Territory. Since they cannot get it, they don’t want Telangana to get it either. There are some settlers in Hyderabad who are also clamoring for the same. They don’t identify themselves with the goons of Telangana, ‘so why should we join Telangana’, they ask? Moreover, they claim that they have a cosmopolitan outlook on life which most Telangana people from villages don’t seem to exhibit. Why can’t they be on their own, they ask?

So, is Hyderabad a part of Telangana? Or is it a city that has grown to be quite different altogether leaving behind Telangana? Should each cosmopolitan city in India be asked to vote if they want to be independent of the region they reside in? Should we hold referendums in cities as well, treating them like states?

First, there are no historical precedents where a historically and culturally integrated capital city was made a Union Territory just because two suitors were not ready to settle the issue. It’s like nobody gets the bread just because the two monkeys couldn’t resolve their issues. Some people cite Chandigarh as an example. Chandigarh was a new city that was artificially created and both the suitors agreed to share it. It had no historical or cultural ties with any region. It was right in the middle of the two states bordering both the states. Also, it was agreed that one state would eventually get it into twenty years.

Second, if cities were allowed to break away from their regions just because settlers now outnumber the local people, then the cities of India will not allow settlers anymore in future and that will the defeat the very purpose of creating cities that are open to everyone. Being open to everyone should not be construed as an invitation to flood the city and then hold a referendum to break it away from the region.

No country on the planet has reached a stage where each city or district is asked to decide whether it wants to create a new state for itself just because immigrants now outnumber the locals. Germany, France, USA, Russia, or any country still look at their countries as collection of states or provinces with cities within them, but not a mere collection of cities. Only the capital city of a country is usually given a special status. There is always a strong promotion of cities for each region. More regions are created so that they can create more cities. Therefore, having cities in your region is an incentive. Removing cities from the regions deprives them of their prized possessions.

If we were to grant Hyderabad a status of Union Territory or a State, we are going to set an ugly precedent. Most cities in India are cosmopolitan, some more than others. People of a region sacrifice their local development to contribute to developing their cities with a vested interest, that their cities in turn will help the region. They give up their lands and give it to the cities so that cities can grow. They provide water and electricity from their region to the cities so that they get better resources. Regions gladly welcome settlers to settle in their cities, give incentives to invest in their cities, provide facilities that are even deprived to the people of their region, all with intent to grow their city so that it will in turn contribute to the growth of their region.

So, can settlers migrate to a city, fill it up with a people of their kind and then ask for referendums? If referendums were held now, do you think Mumbai will stay with Maharashtra or Bangalore with Karnataka? Most settlers are averse to getting involved in regional politics. Most of them do not even vote or participate in the local politics. The whole reason they have migrated is because they were looking for opportunity in that city and were ready to live in a different region. The homage provided by the cities and those regions should not be misused whereby settlers will eventually break that city away from the region.

Telangana was marginalized because it was a distinctly different region. Its people felt discriminated by the majority. Now, they want a separate state for themselves. And you deprive them of the only city they have? What kind of justice that would be? The guy who says he has been cheated is cheated further?

Is being cosmopolitan, more developed, a good enough reason for a city to cut itself off from the region? Is being apathetic to local socio-politics, being immune from local economics, being pampered and protected and preserved, a good enough reason to cut itself off from a region?

If every city in India, after receiving such patronage from its region wants to separate out, then there is no longer an incentive to build cities in India. Regions in India will balk at settlers coming in. If the invitation to invest in a city becomes a reason to separate, no state will invite settlers to settle in their cities. They will fear that they will lose their cities.

If we continue that path, Bangalore and Mumbai can easily break away from their states right away. So what are we setting as example to other states? Don’t allow migrants to come in because one day they will ask for a referendum and break away from you?

So what about Andhras that lost Hyderabad?

Whenever there is a splitting of a state, cities get distributed. Only one region can get the capital city. That’s a natural outcome. Andhra gets others cities, like Vijayawada, Vishakapatnam, Nellore, etc, only because they lie inside Andhra region, whereas Telangana gets Hyderabad only because it lies inside Telangana region. Moreover, Hyderabad belongs to Telangana historically, culturally and geographically. It does not share a border with Andhra region. Therefore, the capital city cannot be shared like in case of Chandigarh. Any neutral observer would conclude that the city will go with Telangana.

So what happens to Andhra region which has lost it capital city to another region? They should do the same thing what Gujarat did after they lost their capital city to Maharashtra. They should do the same thing what each of Jharkhand, Uttarakhand, and Chattisgarh did, when they lost their capital city to another region. They should build a capital city of their own.

A region that has lost the capital city should be compensated for. They should get a package to build their own capital. But that does not mean we should deprive regions of their cities just because one party did not like the separation.

The whole exercise of a city asking for a separate status because it has cosmopolitan characters reeks of elitism, where gated communities and islands of prosperity are created amidst swathes of poverty using the very resources taken from the regions around them. Any move to grant Hyderabad city a status of State or Union Territory is a wrong move. It will set a wrong example to other states NOT to allow settlers into their cities. Maharashtra will now have to get worried that they may lost their city if Vidarbha wants a separate state and lay claim to the city. Bangalore has to worry now whether they should allow migrants to settle in their region. The whole idea of creating cities as a prized possession of their regions gets nullified. This is a retrograde move for India. I sincerely hope that sanity and reason prevails like before.

[The related posts are at: Case for Telangana, Telangana II, Telangana III, Telangana IV, Telangana V: Political angle, Telangana VI: Hyderabad State?, Telangana VIII: You need to make a case, History of Telangana I, Telangana IX: Riots turn ugly, Telangana X: Congratulations!, History of Telangana II, Telangana XI: Why so much opposition?, Telangana XII: Ignorance, Bad Faith and Low Opinion. Telangana XIII: Let’s stay United!, Telangana XIV: Letter to Andhra Brothers, Telangana XV: Concerns, Telangana XVI: Samaikya Andhra, Telangana XVII: More Concerns, Telangana XVIII: Betrayal]

83 comments:

  1. "When Bombay State was split to form Maharashtra and Gujarat in 1960, some Gujarati leaders laid claim to Mumbai. The arguments are very similar to what we hear today about Hyderabad during Telangana separation."


    You forgot there is price for this.


    "So what’s this whole deal with converting capital cities into Union Territories?"

    Because Hyderabad was developed at the cost of neglect of other cities in rest of state.


    "Nobody wants to let go of a capital city because everyone is attached to it."

    Yes everybody is attached as telangana people are attached to Hyderabad.



    Should each cosmopolitan city in India be asked to vote if they want to be independent of the region they reside in?

    Yes if one parterner in the reagion tries to grab the entire pie each cosmopolitan city be asked to vote.


    "Being open to everyone should not be construed as an invitation to flood the city and then hold a referendum to break it away from the region."

    If you people had reservations against people flooding Hyderabad then you T people must have expressed it when Hyderabad was choosen as capital city from kurnool.


    "No country on the planet has reached a stage where each city or district is asked to decide whether it wants to create a new state for itself just because immigrants now outnumber the locals."

    In no country one group tries to grab entire pie.

    "If we were to grant Hyderabad a status of Union Territory of a State, we are going to set an ugly precedent."

    When you said small states are good and its a good precedent what happened now?

    The whole small state is a BAD precedent.


    "So, can settlers migrate to a city, fill it up with a people of their kind and then ask for referendums?"

    Yes. When one group tries to grab I say yes.

    "Is being cosmopolitan, more developed, a good enough reason for a city to cut itself off from the region?"

    Yes small UT is more easy to administer effectively, you can refer your small state argument for this.



    "If we continue that path, Bangalore and Mumbai can easily break away from their states right away."

    Ohh buddy......thats what we were telling T people you talk bangalore Mumbai...we talk gorka land state etc.


    "So what happens to Andhra region which has lost it capital city to another region?"

    Andhra will have its own capital and Telangana can have siddi pet as theirs. Please dont worry about loss of capital city of Andhra people.


    "Hyderabad city a status of State or Union Territory is a wrong move."

    Please refer your small state argument.

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    1. Just came across this article while browsing...
      Great reply..
      The writer of the article was so logical on why Hyderabad should not be seperated from Telengana...
      But i am surprised, why he/she failed to apply the same logic in case of telengana seperation from andhra pradesh..
      The writer's arguments seem to be fine tuned to support some pre-conceived notions, not based on objective observations..
      - Ram Chekuri.

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  2. is there any rule that Opinion of a person born out of Telangana should not be considered when it comes to issues like Seperation? i thik citizen of hyderabad regardless where he born should be considered as a citizen of hyderabad, and when his vote matters his opinion should also be matter..According to KCR the population of Greater Hyderabad is about 10 million out of that settlers(your view) are less then 5% only...I think Kcr knows their opinion matters thus stayed away from Greater elections and lying about the statistics...I think its fair to take consenses of Hyderabadis who are 1/3.5 of Telangana's population.

    Btw your writing skills are extraordinary..

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  3. All,

    Check for the comments on why we need a separate UT/State for Hyderabad in the comments section of - Post

    ~We

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  4. Guys,
    Dont go on talking about TRS not contesting in GHMC. He was on to something much greater. Ok. Lets see the elections.Congress and TDP together got majority of seats. Both the parties support Telangana. Hence Hyderabad people supported Telangana.

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  5. If you look at the solution absolutely without all the Andhra, Telangana premises, it does not make sense at all to make it a UT. Any city will be built using the resources from the region sorrunding it. The same way Hyderabad was built using human resources and natural resources around it.Hyderabad did not become a rich city just because of the services industry that flourished in the last 50 years.Hyderabad will still need water, power, food supplies from the sorroundng region. A city can not survive with the veins cut. What is the situation if the sorrounding region decides to stop providing any help? This is like those star hotels in the midst of a slum. It does not create a harmonious situation.

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  6. Dear all,
    The reason why hyderabad cannot have the status of UT is that our constitution does not allow this. An UT is only formed after a resolution passed by the Parliament and Executive.
    Our constitution does not give the people of a particular city to choose its status simply by voting or plebicite. So your arguments and demands are unjust and unconstitutional. If you still want to make a special case you have to bring about an amendament in our Constitution. This again requires that Parliament needs to pass resolution in both houses with 2/3 majority with atleast 2/3 of parliamentary members taking part in voting.
    So your simple argument does not make it justifiable or constitutional.
    Suppose if such an amndament ever passes can you imagine the catastrophe that results from it as this applies to every minor and major administrative divisions in India. With in few years power in India will become completely centralized and there will be thousands of very small administrative divisions all over India whose responsibity is belongs to Central Govt.

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  7. If hyderabad is a contention, below are the solutions

    1) Making Hyderabad as common cacpital. Hyderabad can be used as administrative center for both the states.Ranga Reddy district will be part of Telangana.
    2)Making Hyderabd as a UT. This is a ludicrous solution, which does not have any merit. If any one has any points supporting this solution, It would be great if they can put it up here. A link will do.The arguments should san the angle of settlers. Center can not take its decision based on the distribution of ethnicity in the city. That is nonsense. It needs to be thought at a level higher than that.
    3)Having two capital cities in their geographic regions for both the cities. As Andhra is losing the captial to Telangana, it needs to be given a good package to develop a new capital and to bring investments.

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  8. Can a compromise be worked out where Telengana gets Hyderabad, but over a time period (say 10 years), part of the city revenue (net expenses) goes to Andhra?

    This way, if economic prosperity is the issue, the rest of Andhra still gets a portion of it for 10 years, till the latter form their own economic powerhouses.

    I think something along these lines can be worked out.

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  9. @Bix

    Dont go on talking about TRS not contesting in GHMC. He was on to something much greater .
    Yeah the CM post :-)

    Ok. Lets see the elections.Congress and TDP together got majority of seats. Both the parties support Telangana. Hence Hyderabad people supported Telangana.
    INCORRECT. Congress and TDP were promising Telangana from a decade ? You/I know what happened. It is all a political drama..
    OK. Forget all this.. Are you fearing you would loose a Plebiscite in Hyderabad ? Don’t you want to know what we want ? Do you want to impose on us ? Just like how you are saying A is imposing on T ? Then what is the difference between you and A ?


    If you look at the solution absolutely without all the Andhra, Telangana premises, it does not make sense at all to make it a UT. Any city will be built using the resources from the region surrounding it. The same way Hyderabad was built using human resources and natural resources around it.Hyderabad did not become a rich city just because of the services industry that flourished in the last 50 years.
    Perfect. Agreed.

    Hyderabad will still need water, power, food supplies from the surrounding region. A city can not survive with the veins cut. What is the situation if the surrounding region decides to stop providing any help?
    Fine,. We are well off now. And would grow even better after the separation. Some initial problems would exist, which will even out in the longer run. And, we would not want anything for free from T, A or R. We will pay for what we would consume/import.. Be it water, food, electricity,. etc.. We would invest more in Water Harvesting, Green Technologies.. Let us be brothers even after separation.
    Hey hold on, All these are our problems.. Why are you worried? Thanks for the concern though..


    ~We

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  10. @Bix

    If hyderabad is a contention
    UUuuhhhh ! At last, you understand. Better late than never.

    1) Making Hyderabad as common capital. Hyderabad can be used as administrative center for both the states.Ranga Reddy district will be part of Telangana.
    Common capital, Shared capital doesn’t work out dude.. T guys have only said this – It is not connected Geographically

    2)Making Hyderabd as a UT. This is a ludicrous solution, which does not have any merit. If any one has any points supporting this solution, It would be great if they can put it up here. A link will do.The arguments should san the angle of settlers. Center can not take its decision based on the distribution of ethnicity in the city. That is nonsense. It needs to be thought at a level higher than that.
    How can you say it is a ludicrous solution. People of Hyderabad will decide it. Let me just name a few important points –
    1. We would have complete autonomy, that would mean we can manage our finances better, manage our resources better, w/o bothering about R, A or T. As they would manage themselves.
    2. And as we manage our own finances/resources better we would become much better, a World-class city, competing not just with the metros in India but also with the world cities.
    3. Hyderabad can continue with its cosmopolitan Identity, unlike someone else imposing on it.

    You might say, I am being opportunistic here.. Yes, I am, as I already told you.
    Self growth first, then the surroundings.. We can as well help you out. T,A & R people can still use all the facilities like, Schools, Colleges, Hospitals, Airport so on.. And most importantly – We would still accept people (includes A,R,T) to come, settle and make Hyderabad their Home. Someone T,A or R guy(do not remember) said India is a free country, there are no restrictions..
    And whom do you call a settler? Only people who have migrated from A & R ? Do T people settled in Hyderabad not called settlers? Either way I was born in Hyderabad. So at least I am not a settler :-) . Rest I leave it to you.
    What Ethnicity.. Rubbish.. Don’t speak like KCR..


    3)Having two capital cities in their geographic regions for both the cities. As Andhra is losing the captial to Telangana, it needs to be given a good package to develop a new capital and to bring investments.
    We are saying we want a separate UT/State. You guys can have 3 new capitals in T, A & R and then ask for a package from the Central Govt. to develop your cities.

    Hyderabad not being with T,A,R should not matter to the T,A,R equation.
    T,A,R rivers would still flow through T,A,R. T,A,R minerals, ores, assets would be with T,A,R. All the T,A,R jobs would still be with T,A,R.

    Else, As I already said.. You have some other intentions, other than Growth and Development of your region.

    ~We

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  11. Guys,
    Dont go on talking about TRS not contesting in GHMC. He was on to something much greater. Ok. Lets see the elections.Congress and TDP together got majority of seats. Both the parties support Telangana. Hence Hyderabad people supported Telangana.


    In 2004 elections Congress allied with Trs and left parties on the concept of Bringing down TDP thus despite the alliance Congress got mejority even in Andhra and seema it doesnt meen Andhra and seem are supporting Seperate Telangana. So It has to be TRS with soul concept of Seperate Telangana they have contested in about 40+ seats and own 26 clearly indicating not everyone are wishing for a seperate State...What about khammam, Rangareddy?

    State should have devided in 69 or atleast in 71 its little complicated now because its all mixed up.

    Bringing History for everythign is not fair...if we go into history Arunachal pradesh might be part of Tibet thus china climing it shall we hand over Arunachal to China? if at all Telangana devides it should be based on present scenario with 2nd SRC.

    -j

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  12. Bix:

    1) Making Hyderabad as common cacpital. Hyderabad can be used as administrative center for both the states.Ranga Reddy district will be part of Telangana.

    Common capital is not possible in this case. For two reasons. One, it is impractical. Hyderabad will be completely surrounded by Telangana and that means the dependency on Telangana will be far too much compared to its dependency on Andhra. Also, the contribution towards city will be lopsided. For example, Hyderabad grew in size in the last fifty years because the lands from districts surrounding it were used to add to Hyderabad. That will continue to be the case. Whereas Andhra will not be able to contribute to increase in the size. There comes conflict. Chandigarh works only because that city lies in the middle. That way both states can agree to give up lands in equal proportion, say add 20,000 acres each to the city. The same holds true for water supply, electricity and so on.

    Cities don’t live in isolation. Cities depend on the regions around them. In case of Hyderabad it is completely surrounded by Telangana making the equation lopsided.

    Second, Andhras and Telanganas have a troubled history and therefore will not make it work. To make the common capital work Andhra and Telangana should have an amicable relationship. In this case I don’t foresee that happening because there is lot of bad feelings. Telangana feels they are discriminated and marginalized by Andhra, whereas Andhras thinks that Telangana has unnecessarily separated away and caused all this suffering to everyone. Moreover, there is history. That history will not be erased in a day. If it had to work at all, the state itself would have worked where all the agreements that Andhra politicians agreed should have worked. The whole reason Telangana wants to opt out is because such agreements can be easily flouted and there is no way you can force them to abide by it. Telangana people don’t trust Andhra politicians to keep their word. A joint-capital will fail to work because of that. There will always be mistrust.

    2)Making Hyderabd as a UT.

    I have already covered this above.

    3)Having two capital cities in their geographic regions for both the cities. As Andhra is losing the captial to Telangana, it needs to be given a good package to develop a new capital and to bring investments.

    This is the only solution possible. Contemporary history of socio-politico-economics suggests that this is the only solution possible. There are no alternatives.

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  13. Ledzius:

    Can a compromise be worked out where Telengana gets Hyderabad, but over a time period (say 10 years), part of the city revenue (net expenses) goes to Andhra?

    Please understand that this whole situation got created because Telangana people lost trust in Andhra people. Time and again many agreements were agreed upon and then immediately repudiated.

    You can see that even from the current imbroglio. Chandra Babu Naidu (TDP) and Chiranjeevi (Prajarajyam) both campaigned in Telangana saying they are going to completely support a separate Telangana. Now, both of them are opposing it tooth and nail. The same happened with YS Rajashekar Reddy.

    With so many agreements flouted and so many political promises broken, no agreement for a joint model will work out. It will break the very first day.

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  14. Sravan:

    I don’t think there is a need to make a case using constitutional procedures. They are only guidelines. We have to make a case whether those guidelines are applicable. As I see it, there is no case to even position Hyderabad as a Union Territory.

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  15. @Sravan
    The reason why hyderabad cannot have the status of UT is that our constitution does not allow this. An UT is only formed after a resolution passed by the Parliament and Executive.
    Our constitution does not give the people of a particular city to choose its status simply by voting or plebicite. So your arguments and demands are unjust and unconstitutional. If you still want to make a special case you have to bring about an amendament in our Constitution. This again requires that Parliament needs to pass resolution in both houses with 2/3 majority with atleast 2/3 of parliamentary members taking part in voting.

    Sorry dude, I am no good at the Constitution and its rules, Thanks for letting me know.. But then why can’t we have a separate State for Hyderabad?
    Look at the population chart - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_India_by_population by State.
    More than 10 states have population less than Hyderabad's( approx ~1 Crore).
    Out of 3.5-4 Crore Telangana people, 1 Crore are in Hyderabad and that's not a small number.
    The newly formed Uttarakhand has lesser population when compared to Hyderabad.
    So if Hyderabad wants a separate State's status.. it is very much legitimate..
    As legitimate as Telangana's demand.. Is it one rule for you and another for us :-(


    @Sujai - Would your next blog be Telangana XXI – Hyderabad a State? :-)

    ~We

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  16. @All,

    See why Hyderabad as a separate state/UT is also a possibility -

    IT staff seek UT status for Hyderabad

    Quo Vadis, Hyderabad?

    Brand Hyderabad's future tense

    As a fellow Hyderabadi, I am of course worried :-(

    ~We

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  17. @We

    Leave it to us the voters of Telangana about who becomes the CM. Are you a Telangana voter?

    If TDP and congress have been promsing for it for 10 years, so I guess that makes it for 10 years the enitres state has been OK with the separation. Ohh...Yeah. Thanks for reminding, I just relaized that the Andhra leaders have betrayed us a week back. My bad memory.

    Im a lil confused about your views on Hyd as UT. One time you said "Perfectle agreed", But you want to fight for a separate state/UT. Do you think making any metro as a UT is sensible decision? Its just not your worry, Im a citizen of Hyderabad too. Dont jump the gun and talk for the entire city. Is any metro city as UT viable? My question is whether to make it a UT is apropriate? Is Hyderabad big enough to produce water, food and all the necesseties with in itself? Is it self sustainable? What will happen if the sorrouding Telanganites stop power and water to the city? What if they non-cooperate and vehemently stop every supply to the city? Can a city with major revenue from services industry survive on its own? If you answer is YES, Im not gonna argue further.
    BTW, read through your comments agian, you kknow who is talking like KCR. If KCR is your trumpcard to denounce every Telanganite, I understand.

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  18. @J
    Congress had the Telangana in CMP in 2004 and was mentioned in president's speech. TDP supposedly did exclusive study of the issue and supported in 2009. I dont know how these two parties can be considered to have been fought for United Andhra Pradesh, when they clearly supported Telangana. Please explain.

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  19. Whis does everyone want to carve out a state ? I admit i know very little about the issue. I am myself a Kannadiga in Bangalore, I have a lot of friends whose mother tounges are Tamil, Hindi or Malayalam and Assamese, a few of them are second generation Bangaloreans. So who is really the outsider and who is an insider ? Say if I go to Hyderabad for work and stay there for say 5 years AND pick up your language (Since Telegu has a very similar script), would i be an outsider and insider ?.
    Its about money guys, I would go to any place which would pay me well and have a good environment for my kids.
    The greatest threat to our country is corruption,corruption and corruption. Because of this more than a third of people go to bed hungry EVERY DAY.
    Peace
    Kiran

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  20. @Bix

    Congress n TDP are there before Latest T State issue and regardless of Tstate issue they will win or loose with their Agendas...But its TRS with soul Agenda of Seperate State who has to prove that mejority of Telanganites regardless of where they born what their religion, caste etc are looking for seperate State. suppose TRS doesn't contest in a place, INC and TDP with United Andhra stand fights..do you think people will not participate and vote them? one of them will still win i guess, thus its TRS who needs to contest in all the seats in Telangana region and sweep the results or atleast should prove the mejority...then only you can prove that people of this region wants "Separate State" as a solution for injustice they think is going on. maybe most of them looking for some other solution then a Seperate State.

    Remember even in 2004 TDP own some seats in Telangana region with United andhra stand.

    -j

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  21. @Bix

    Im a citizen of Hyderabad too. Dont jump the gun and talk for the entire city
    Exactly, You and I cannot know the complete sentiment in Hyderabad. Only a plebiscite will let us know. People of Hyderabad will decide. Not you or me.
    If you say no to a plebiscite, then you fear loosing it.


    And my answer is YES. It is just fear. No body can stop water supply or food supply. People might object change initially, but in the longer run, every thing will come to normalcy.

    ~We

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  22. Whatever this all shows the inept attitude you guys carry about telangana? So you think that hyderabad wil retain its brand only as part of AP? Bad thinking in your part.
    Hyderabad has been a political center since its birth. It is andhra peoples anger, fear and frustration that all shows up when they rise such rueful demands and they already know they would never achieve samaikhyandhra as they have been agitating for several days now as shown in the media.
    I think they more of trying to scare telangana people than actually want a UT for hyderabad?
    I don't believe those who have been shouting that they are hyderabadi's and as a hyderabad citizen(funny though) they have a right to call for plebicite.
    Look at that guy, unable to digest the constitutional guidelines, now is shouting for a separate state. So go ahead and do the fast as part of Hyderabad rashtra samithi(HRS).
    Well make sure that such a thing is accepted by govt and letthemselves do it by a parliamentary resolution and not depend on local legislative assembly.
    Good luck on that

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  23. Sravan,
    Constitution is not just a guidelines book, for instance it is what a supreme court looks at for when it needs to make decision on policy changes.
    Suppose unfortunately there is a military dictator taking over our parliament and the govt. What he would does is dissolve our constitution and not that he is just for a while not following the guldelines for good.
    Please do not volatile the value of constitution and its framework by saying that it is only guidelines for the govt to run the country. It is much more than that. Fundamental rights and Directive principles of state policy given by Constitution are not guidelines which can be either followed or not depending uon the current situation but is the stone-hard agreement that the people of india have collectively made once and for all. Why would a high court sentence TN person for burning certain papers of Constitution during some Anti-Hindu agitation?
    Please make a proper justification.

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  24. To anonymous ho said,
    "The newly formed Uttarakhand has lesser population when compared to Hyderabad.
    So if Hyderabad wants a separate State's status.. it is very much legitimate..
    As legitimate as Telangana's demand.. Is it one rule for you and another for us

    So you agree with telangana first??
    Well lets go with telangana first and let us see if our constitution allows for your proposal. I think its time you know atleast how our country is governed?
    It is quite insensitive on your part not to take constitution seriously.

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  25. Hi Sujai,
    In my post i was addressing you and not self.Hope you understand that dude.
    Constitution is not just a guidelines book, for instance it is what a supreme court looks at for when it needs to make decision on policy changes.
    Suppose unfortunately there is a military dictator taking over our parliament and the govt. What he would does is dissolve our constitution and not that he is just for a while not following the guldelines for good.
    Please do not volatile the value of constitution and its framework by saying that it is only guidelines for the govt to run the country. It is much more than that. Fundamental rights and Directive principles of state policy given by Constitution are not guidelines which can be either followed or not depending uon the current situation but is the stone-hard agreement that the people of india have collectively made once and for all. Why would a high court sentence TN person for burning certain papers of Constitution during some Anti-Hindu agitation?
    Please make a proper justification.

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  26. @We
    Thanks for your response.As I I said I have no arguments furhter.Now I realize your intentions for the greater good of Hyderabad. Lets start the HYD UT fight.
    For starters, Im sowing rice on my terrace today. Ohhh!!Damn...Its an apartment..

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  27. Bix,
    Good luck with you. What kind of rice or you growing btw. The variety that you eat or the one you plan to export.
    If you think your andhra folks will export their rice to you then brothr check if they grow the variety you eat?
    May be you should change your eating habits?
    Good luck for your health

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  28. To Bix,
    I am leaving the above comment on a funny note but the point I would like to stress here is that as all our andhra brothers have been making a point that telangana has to import rice I jsut wanted to give a clue that most of the rice grown in their region is a kind of variety that needs lots of lots of water than normal variety but gives great yeild.
    However the rice grown in Kurnool, Nalgonda, Mahboobnagar, Warangal, Karimnagar, Khammam and Nizambad which has lesser yeild but also less water is usually the kind of variety that we people eat the most(sona masuri I think). Do yo see how many telangana districts cater the needs of all the AP here.
    If you have any doubts check the facts for yourself.

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  29. Kiran,
    As a person from Bangalore and not at all related to the whole issue here it is quite logical that you may think that this whole issue is only about separation.
    But actually the issue is spread among many other realms like marginalisation of an entire region by power politics of another region, decades long underdevelopment and unequal resource distribution among the areas

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  30. @Sujai

    So you think that hyderabad wil retain its brand only as part of AP?
    I never said that.

    Hyderabad has been a political center since its birth.
    Wonderful, Great. I am proud of my Hyderabad

    It is andhra peoples anger, fear and frustration that all shows up when they rise such rueful demands and they already know they would never achieve samaikhyandhra as they have been agitating for several days now as shown in the media.
    It is Andhra people’s problem, not mine.

    I think they more of trying to scare telangana people than actually want a UT for hyderabad?
    No, Never. You have already assumed a lot.
    Why should Telangana people get scared? Are you/they eying at Hyderabad or their Growth and Development. I have already given you all the reasons, why Hyd should matter.
    Let me put some points here for your clarity.. mind you only from Hyderabad’s perspective –
    Hyderabad attributes its growth because of people, investments and many more things. People I mean not just people of T,A & R, but everyone(India,World).. But majorly by T,A & R people.
    So the best case scenario is –
    1. Hyderabad as a separate UT/State. As it would become more autonomous and it can utilize all its funds locally. So more growth.
    Else worst case –
    2. Be a part of T, A & R combined i.e. AP or RayalaTelangAndhra(just not to hurt anyone)

    Now you would ask, why would T, A & R people invest in Hyderabad, if it gets separated. They would still invest because Hyderabad or the people of Hyderabad = H + T + A + R. If T, A & R do not want to, fine, we already have enough Infrastructure and a good city (#5 in India) and more people from India and World would invest and get settled in Hyderabad.
    It is also good for T people, as there would be huge development in Hyderabad’s border. So lot of T districts would get benefited. Just think of Delhi and NCR now. NCR is still growing.. There would be new cities like Noida and Gurgaon.
    T people should actually start supporting our cause…
    A & R would be at a loss as more development would be in Hyderabad and the new cities around Hyderabad which would be part of T..


    ~We

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  31. ~We:

    I am guessing you wanted to address Sravan, not Sujai in the previous comment.

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  32. @Sujai

    I don't believe those who have been shouting that they are hyderabadi's and as a hyderabad citizen(funny though) they have a right to call for plebicite.
    Look at that guy, unable to digest the constitutional guidelines, now is shouting for a separate state

    Such statements are made only by people who cannot accept and digest REALITY. I have already accepted that I am no good at Constitution and its rules. I have always been asking for a separate Hyderabad UT or a State. Go through all my previous comments.

    So go ahead and do the fast as part of Hyderabad rashtra samithi(HRS).
    I do not belong to any political party dude. And I do not play politics. That’s not my game. I am here to Reason and get things done.
    HRS.. that was hilarious.. Why din’t you say Hyderabad Congress or Hyderabad Telugu Party or something else.. hmm might be you are more illusionized/inclined towards TRS ;-) Sorry, I am also assuming things…


    ~We

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  33. ~We:

    Once again, I guess the previous comments is addressed to Sravan, not Sujai.

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  34. ~We:

    You should stop address Sravan as Sujai. Its really annoying.

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  35. @Sujai

    So you agree with telangana first??
    Well lets go with telangana first and let us see if our constitution allows for your proposal. I think its time you know atleast how our country is governed?
    It is quite insensitive on your part not to take constitution seriously.

    I never said T first or R first or A first. Let us have all the 3 states and Hyderabad(UT/State) all at the same time. What is the guarantee that you do not take a volte-face after T is formed. We do not want to take a chance just like T did in 1956.
    It is not my proposal, Hear what Hyderabad Ministers Mukesh Goud and Danam Nagender said. And they being the representatives also said they are just conveying people’s opinion and not theirs.


    ~We

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  36. I am really Sorry,

    All of my previous posts are addressed to Sravan.. My mistake.. If you can change the text, please do so, else delete them and I will post them again.

    Sorry for the inconvenience.

    ~We

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  37. @Sravan,

    All my previous comments addressed to Sujai were actually to you.

    @Sujai, All
    Sorry for the mistake.

    ~We

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  38. Mr.Sujai,

    There are some settlers in Hyderabad who are also clamoring for the same.
    First you should stop calling the citizens of hyderabad as settlers.

    Should each cosmopolitan city in India be asked to vote if they want to be independent of the region they reside in?

    Why would every Capital City in India would ask for a UT status in first place? here we have a situation people of particular region want to divide but one part of that region is not willing to divide if at all have to divide that region wants to stay independently, the region might be a small chunk but its population is almost 1/3 of Telangana, as per you the people who living in that place are settlers and they don’t have right to choose what they want... but for our Constitution they are not settlers but they are Citizens of Hyderabad (to you Telanganites) they have every right just like the people of Telangana. I dont know how long you have been living in Bangalore but if Karnataka Devides and you dont like that idea as bangalorian you can make your statement with your vote if at all you consider your self a bangalorian and banglore is your home. Maybe you don’t feel like a Bangalorian that’s why you call your self a settler. Hyderabad belongs to People who ever living there its funny to see how someone from Karimnagar giving me an assurance i can live here or cant live here.

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  39. Anonymous
    I had some questions regarding making any metro city as a UT, in my earlier comments here. I agree with you that you have a right to express your view by vote. But it is for the center to decide whether its sensible to do so. A case for a state and a UT is not similar. The viability of the entity has to be ascertained. I believe there is no strong case for Hyderabad. Chandigarh is geographically located in the middle of two states, which is a special case.
    One more question I have, What is the difference to Hdyerabad, being a capital to AP and Telangana? What are the reasons behind being OK with the capital of AP but not of Telangana? Would like to hear your arguments.

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  40. @Bix

    First I don’t believe that separate State will prosper the lives of Telangana people.

    2. A coterie of people including from Andhra fail to recognize the multi million Market around Hyderabad, they left back in the race but they want that cup but even after getting separate state alone will not give them the cup! So with the help of newly formed Govt they try to grab the cup, they say HiTech city is built on assigned land, Ramoji Film City was occupied illegally or Lanco hills belongs to Waqf board etc they promise these lands will be given to poor people thus poor people will come on streets and protest hoping something good will happen to them but in the end one of the land mafia will win and the common man will remain a looser. I don’t know how much change could a separate state bring of a common mans life but it sure brings huge changes in Hyderabad. So I don’t want to take any chance. And it’s purely on my personal interest and I believe every Hyderabadi will ask for United Andhra or UT status purely on his personal interest.

    You may ask can’t you take a chance for the people who struggling in other places in Telangana? No, I don’t believe telangana is struggling as much as people describing, I agree injustice is happening in Government jobs other then that there is no other strong reason for you to split a state. KCR says people are suffering with florid water in Nalgonda, but did he ever fight for it? Did he ever ask for funds to solve this? How many crores it will need? After all its only drinking water. What is janareddy doing when he was a home minister? If a minister from where he belongs doesn’t insist for the development of his own place why YSR or CBN would bother? All these politicians have no dedication to solve these minor issues but they only want to use them for their benefits.

    Its pretty simple bro…I don’t believe telangana will prosper under KCR or KTR because I know their motive more over it could hurt the future of Hyderabad, if manmohan singh declares separate telangana will do good for people and sujai or you should be the CM then I don’t mind:-). but not when KCR or KTR demans it.

    Today you are proud Telanganite once this issue solved you are a proud Hindu some other day you are some Velama, Reddy, Kapu..you find a group to fight for your benefit, today I am in a group who demands separate UT for my benefit.

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  41. Anonymous:

    First you should stop calling the citizens of hyderabad as settlers.

    There is no such thing as citizens of Hyderabad. We do have citizens of India, we don’t have citizen of cities in India like in Ancient Greece.

    The word settler is still applicable to Andhra-Rayalaseema people who have settled in Telangana because we had strict agreements on domicile rules whereby we agreed to treat Telangana as a distinct region though it was in the same state. Just because those rules were flouted, we are not going to change our definitions.

    Why would every Capital City in India would ask for a UT status in first place?

    If you set a precedent that people of a city can ask for a UT status, why can’t it be replicated elsewhere? Today, Telangana is asking for a new state because there are precedents for dividing states in the past. That’s because it is clearly laid out in the Indian Constitution on how to do it. But no such procedure is laid out to convert a city into a Union Territory. If you set a precedent, then it could become the guideline for other cities.

    I dont know how long you have been living in Bangalore but if Karnataka Devides and you dont like that idea as bangalorian you can make your statement with your vote if at all you consider your self a bangalorian and banglore is your home.

    That’s exactly what I am talking about in the above post. That a region cannot treat its city a distinct unit separated from the region because that would defeat the whole exercise of inviting settlers into its cities. It would set a wrong precedent – not just for India – but any country.

    In the same way, a city dweller cannot cut himself off the regional politics just because he was given a comfortable haven in that region.

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  42. Hear what Hyderabad Ministers Mukesh Goud and Danam Nagender said. And they being the representatives also said they are just conveying people’s opinion and not theirs

    Brother anonymous ,

    I have no Idea.. since how many days or years your ancestors been in hyderabad , or may be decades.....you said Mr.N , Mr.M are conveying peoples opinion your wrong, this opinion was stated after the elections, before it was "no telangana" for them. There are several reasons behind it for an instance, favors they got from Mr.YSR, lets not get into that. This kinda people are counted into a special category in india, who can sell there "ass" for their gains !! As you said " I am being opportunistic here.. Yes, I am, as I already told you. Self growth first, then the surroundings.. We can as well help you out." !! there will be no end for their self growth Ex. Mr.Jagan Mohan Reddy worth 20,000 crore and still going...(no idea whats his definition for self growth) and they even ditch their people for the sake of their gains and comforts they have been enjoying as you quoted again !! We are saying we want a separate UT/State. You guys can have 3 new capitals in T, A & R and then ask for a package from the Central Govt. to develop your cities. !! brother people in hyderabad (Hyderabadis by heart) cant leave their counter parts(Karimnagar, Warangal, Nizamabad etc.) aside, they have been with us, when we were fighting Nizam (a moment as equally important to a movement for indian independence, lil research will hep you) they shed their blood as much as we did , city was also built on drop of their blood and when it comes to Hyderabad, how can we say that it is not governed by them, may be its possible for you to ditch your own people for your own gains but we want our brothers and sisters come here rule and reap the benefits of Hyderabad. When you are talking about Mr.N and Mr.M goud you also need to consider the fact that there 24 MLA's (including Cyberabad) representing G Hyderabad , for example, consider the opinions of Mr. Marri shashidhar reddy (son of Mr. Chenna Reddy , lil research will help you), why dont you consider Mr.Vishnu vardhan reddy ( son of Mr. PJR , lil research will help and if you are a Hyderabadi by heart, you dont even need a research about him , He lead a largest constituency in ASIA until he died , which is almost half of the Hyerabad ). Think your problem is, you think YOU ARE A Hyderabadi and feel jealous about our counterparts, which is not the case with people like us ( a Hyderabadi). I would like to quote one more example to support my statement above , Mr.Talasani srinivas yadav (not an MLA, consider his statement before elections on TELANGANA or UT) Hence, you cannot generalize the statement that people of hyderabad need a separate state .

    We, The people of Telangana...Jai Telangana..

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  43. Brother J,
    TRS who needs to contest in all the seats in Telangana region and sweep the results or atleast should prove the mejority...then only you can prove that people of this region wants "Separate State" as a solution for injustice they think is going on.

    I heard this statement from our former CM Mr.Ysr too . Brother, you have to understand here, Elections in India (at-least) are not associated by a unique cause, They are lot more influences it, for instance If you consider Mr. PJR , He was a son of Telangana and beloved person of Hyderabad, because of his association with people. He was an aggressive supporter of Telagana lot more than what Mr. KCR is , Unfortunately he has been in Congress right from the first day he joined politics no matter what?? Instead of lot of injustice done by our former CM, do you think in this case if TRS contests here or may be from Sanathnagar (M.shashidhar)will they be able to bag the seat?? and can you say people of Sanath nagar and Khairathabad constituency are against Separate Telangana or towards UT ?? Note: there are lot more constituencies like this whose leaders are happened to be in congress that does not mean that people of Telangana wont support it. People, I am talking about are not like Mr. Nagender (who needs a UT now) or may be some other leaders from A or R, who can change the party because their own gains are not fulfilled. Its not even the credit of our former CM to bag those seats on the name of congress. One more major influence on voting is spending money , distributing liquor , leaders from A and R are masters in it and been deceiving poor uneducated Telaganites using this influence,Ex: Instead of spending crores of money in Karimnagar by elections against KCR, they lost the elections. Un fortunately Jeevan reddy who contested against KCR in Karimnagar and now supporter of Telangana, is also from Congress..

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  44. To
    WE!
    So you think that hyderabad wil retain its brand only as part of AP?
    I never said that.


    You meant it when yu said as part of telangana hyderabad will loose its sheen. You are trying to be smart denying that now. We are not in a court of law where only explicitly said things are given any significance.

    Hyderabad has been a political center since its birth.
    Wonderful, Great. I am proud of my Hyderabad

    Your acceptance or feeling proud does not exclude hyderabad district as not one of the districts of telangana.

    It is andhra peoples anger, fear and frustration that all shows up when they rise such rueful demands and they already know they would never achieve samaikhyandhra as they have been agitating for several days now as shown in the media.
    It is Andhra people’s problem, not mine.

    Then yu wouldn't have reacted to the next one that is coming up. If you think you are hyderabadi than you are first one of telangana then one of AP and then one of India. You already agreed you are not andhra then you must be telangana


    I think they more of trying to scare telangana people than actually want a UT for hyderabad?
    No, Never. You have already assumed a lot.

    If you are not andhra you have no right to assume that on their behalf.


    Why should Telangana people get scared? Are you/they eying at Hyderabad or their Growth and Development. I have already given you all the reasons, why Hyd should matter.

    You/they is not the issue here. It is We/They. As a telanganite you should have ofcourse right to question that. Well I also don't thik that we should be scared but I am questioning if andhra are under any such a belief.


    Let me put some points here for your clarity.. mind you only from Hyderabad’s perspective –
    Hyderabad attributes its growth because of people, investments and many more things. People I mean not just people of T,A & R, but everyone(India,World).. But majorly by T,A & R people.
    So the best case scenario is –
    1. Hyderabad as a separate UT/State. As it would become more autonomous and it can utilize all its funds locally. So more growth.
    Else worst case –
    2. Be a part of T, A & R combined i.e. AP or RayalaTelangAndhra(just not to hurt anyone)


    Being separated from telangana and forming an UT does not give any extra advantage to hyderabad in this issue except that now the income of hyderabad would be used by central govt. and not by the local or state govt. Your assumption that all of it will be used to develop the city is inherently fallacious.
    Ofcourse I strongly believe that hyderabad will still be a same kind of major class city and would attract investments from all over the india(not only just ATR) and WOrld. That is nothing to do with its status as part of AP or part of Telangana or part of Union/UT.
    cont....

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  45. cont... to WE~


    Now you would ask, why would T, A & R people invest in Hyderabad, if it gets separated. They would still invest because Hyderabad or the people of Hyderabad = H + T + A + R. If T, A & R do not want to, fine, we already have enough Infrastructure and a good city (#5 in India) and more people from India and World would invest and get settled in Hyderabad.
    It is also good for T people, as there would be huge development in Hyderabad’s border. So lot of T districts would get benefited. Just think of Delhi and NCR now. NCR is still growing.. There would be new cities like Noida and Gurgaon.
    T people should actually start supporting our cause…
    A & R would be at a loss as more development would be in Hyderabad and the new cities around Hyderabad which would be part of T.

    That is your assumption regarding my belief which is not at all what I had been saying from the beginning.
    I was only saying that belonging to the city of hyderabad you have probably mentally segregated your self from telangana and it's backwardness, to safely assume that you have very developed background. BUt your realm of thought is too narrow and confined. You may not know but most people you come across daily are not from hyderabad but born in some village in telangana outside hyderabad.
    Myt only sincere advice to you is that you first believe yourself to be a telangana person before you can consider yourself from hyderabad.
    Thats how things work nowadays and if you think you are not of that kind then you can just move to another time frame in the future.
    Thank you

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  50. When some part of a state wants to separate, they separate and get a new capital. Telangana wants to separate from Andhra Pradesh, sure they can, but they get a new capital not Hyd, thats the way it was done in other states. It's not Andhra Pradesh wish to separate. After the AP state was formed and Hyderabad made as capital, lot of govt investments went into Hyderabad for the whole AP people not just for telangana, in the name of injustice (backwardness in Telangana), you don't commit injustice to Andhra people, who were led to believe for 50 years, their capital Hyderabad can fulfill their dreams, but now suddenly they become outsiders and have no relation to their captial. Think about it, you may get clear picture, just like Kashmir issue, as Indians we may think that whole Kashmir is part of India, but the truth is, after 50+ years POK will be always with Pakistan if note more than POK. Get it? This is only to suggest things will change after that many years, in this case Andhra people did not occupy Hyderabad illegally, they were told it is their capital, whose mistake is it?

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  51. @Bix

    Thanks you want to hear.
    Here it goes -
    Hyderabad attributes its growth because of people, investments and many more things. People I mean not just people of T,A & R, but everyone(India,World).. But majorly by T,A & R people.
    So the best case scenario is –
    1. Hyderabad as a separate UT/State. As it would become more autonomous and it can utilize all its funds locally. So more growth.
    Else worst case –
    2. Be a part of T, A & R combined i.e. AP or RayalaTelangAndhra(just not to hurt anyone)

    Hyderabad as a part of a smaller part is bound to loose. Hyderabad the capital of Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema cannot match the Hyderabad the capital of AP. And most importantly it cannot compete with the biggies Bangalore, Chennai anymore.. And thats the reason I said Hyderabad would loose its sheen and not because it being a capital of T/A/R

    Now you would ask, why would T, A & R people invest in Hyderabad, if it gets separated. They would still invest because Hyderabad or the people of Hyderabad = H + T + A + R. If T, A & R do not want to, fine, we already have enough Infrastructure and a good city (#5 in India) and more people from India and World would invest and get settled in Hyderabad.
    It is also good for T people, as there would be huge development in Hyderabad’s border. So lot of T districts would get benefited. Just think of Delhi and NCR now. NCR is still growing.. There would be new cities like Noida and Gurgaon.
    T people should actually start supporting our cause…
    A & R would be at a loss as more development would be in Hyderabad and the new cities around Hyderabad which would be part of T..

    ~We

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  52. @Sravan

    Hyderabad the capital of Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema cannot match the Hyderabad the capital of AP. Hyderabad as a part of a smaller part is bound to loose. And most importantly it cannot compete with the biggies Bangalore, Chennai anymore.. And thats the reason I said Hyderabad would loose its sheen and not because it being a capital of T/A/R . If Hyderabad were in Andhra or Rayalaseema also, I would have said the same thing.

    Understand the situation, instead of finding faults and taking sides.

    If you say Hyd is part of T then T is also part of AP atleast as of now. Then it is all we. There is no question of you/we/they.

    My only sincere advice to you is that you first believe yourself to be a telangana person before you can consider yourself from hyderabad.
    Then you should first believe in yourself and consider yourself an AP citizen first and then a Telangana person.

    This is going no where dude.. You/me winning/loosing is not the question here. And I give a damn..

    Let me ask you the same question-
    Will Hyderabad being separate, matter to T at all ? As I already said all the rivers,mines,minerals,ores would still be with T even if Hyderabad is separated.

    ~We

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  53. We~,
    I appreciate your concerns for hyderabad. But I think your assumption that hyderabad would loose as part of telangana just because it is smaller than AP has no reason.
    Andhra Pradesh people migrated, most of them to earn livelihood in the city with its enormous infrastructure and being a capital provided employment. Investors are a very few when compared to employment seekers. Investors do not come here because it is their state's capital but they come here because city provides them profitable business opportunity. No body buys a dead fish even if it is sold cheap.
    Given that, there would not be any difference for hyderabad being a part of Telangana or a separate UT in terms of investent opportunities or infrastructure development. However hyderabad definitley requires the resources of the region that surrounds it.

    "Will Hyderabad being separate, matter to T at all ? As I already said all the rivers,mines,minerals,ores would still be with T even if Hyderabad is separated.

    Yes hyderabd being separate definetely matters to T. The resources you mentioned needed to be utilized and for that, administrative machinary is very important. This administrativce machinary needs lot of infrastructure which is already present in Hyderabad. Telangana region which is now an economic disaster needs the infrastructure of Hyderabad to uplift it self and thereby begin utilizing its resources effectively. It needs a good market like hyderabad. All other cities in telangana went into economic retrogression as part of AP and now they need the support of Hyderabad to attain sustainability.

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  54. Sravan:

    Hi Sujai,
    In my post i was addressing you and not self.Hope you understand that dude.


    Got it.

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  55. Blueshift:

    If you people had reservations against people flooding Hyderabad then you T people must have expressed it when Hyderabad was choosen as capital city from kurnool.

    We did. Those reservations were framed into Mulki rules (Domicile) and upheld by Supreme Court.

    Andhra politicians started 'Jai Andhra' to demand a separate state and ensured an Act of Parliament overrode the Supreme Court ruling.

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  56. Bombay is a mess and suffering a lot because it is in Maharastra. All riots, mafia gangs are because of Maharastra's Shiva Sena religious fanatics who ignited a war on some innocent muslims. Don't forget that several muslims were butchered in broadlight in Bombay. People are forced to talk in Marati language. All this wouldn't have happened if Bombay had become UT.

    Minorities (like Tamils, Keralites, Muslims...) will all be butchered by Telangana Radical Youth and Telangana Terroist Organization. Yes, KCR is like Osman Bin Laden who has no sympathy for people's life or humanity. See the amount of destruction is causing to entire AP all because of his selfish motive. TRS is no different than Kashmiri Terroist Groups who killed innocent non-Kashmiris.

    For the protection of minorities (Andhras, Tamils, Keralities..) in Hyderabad, from Telangana Terroist Organization, it is better to make Hyderabad as UT.

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  57. Anonymous:

    All this wouldn't have happened if Bombay had become UT.

    And Bombay would wouldn't have been there if it was a UT.

    ;-)

    Actually you move the cities of India it would be even better. Think about it.

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  58. "For the protection of minorities (Andhras, Tamils, Keralities..) in Hyderabad, from Telangana Terroist Organization, it is better to make Hyderabad as UT.

    And this only happens if telangana separates with hyderabad as capital. Is that your assumption? Or a false agenda to propagate myths to force anhdra on the face of telangana?

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  59. i am a born hyderabadi...when politicians say that telagana movement is people's movement and they have right for a seperate state, why can't the same apply to hyderabad as well and demand for a UT status? I am pretty sure that hyderabadis wish the same...

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  60. Hydearbad is not part of telengana its was formed by mughal muslim rulers and should not be given to telengana

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  61. Anonymous,
    How about delhi? Does it belong to India?

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  62. @Sujai

    And Bombay would wouldn't have been there if it was a UT

    Are you threatening that Hyderabad will not exist if we Hyderabadis demand it should be a separate state? Please don't sound like KCR.

    ~We, great job.. perfectly valid arguments. I hope telangana state forms soon along with separate Hyderabad state which is independent of T, A and R states. This is the only way this conflict can be resolved.

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  63. Jai Hyderabad:

    And Bombay would wouldn't have been there if it was a UT

    Are you threatening that Hyderabad will not exist if we Hyderabadis demand it should be a separate state? Please don't sound like KCR.


    What I meant is this:

    If Bombay was always a UT, then it would have grown the way it has grown. It has grown because it is part of a state.

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  64. its not cosmopolitan, its the issue of safety. Telanganites wanted to kill andhrites, They wanted to threaten andhrites.

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  65. If Hyderabad which is and was in the middle of Telangana for ages is not made part of Telangana state, there will be some sort of civil war within. It will be very dangerous. Lot of guys don't understand the situation. Telangana state had to be separated one day or another. By doing these counter movements and adding new dimensions, there is lot of hatred being sown between people because of these fictitous movements. Lot of these people are commenting without having any knowledge or history. This movement much more peaceful than what happened in 1969. Wake up brothers. I would say to andhra brothers don't drag this too far.

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  66. I have to put forth another point in this Hyderabad be made UT argument. If somebody settles, no matter where he is from ( Punjab or Delhi or Guntur or Vijayawada) in Hyderabad or Karimnagar or Warangal he will part of the Telangana region. How can you be settled in Hyderabad and not accept the very fact that it is in Telangana region. No matter anybody say anything Hyderabad is part of Telangana region officially and if somebody is born in that place he should be native of that region no matter where his ancestors.

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  67. We Hyderabadi Muslims doesn't care two hoots of what anyone thinks about Hyderabad.

    We've been living with pride, no one dared to oppress us nor will ever do.

    We are silent now and are carefully watching the idiots talk about our city.

    Let me tell you Hyderabad will never be part of Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema if division occurs.

    KCR hold properties here so as the others, his demand for United Telangana is fake and ingenuine and not out of love for Hyderabadis.

    And those of you who crave about Hyderabad united with Telangana will be a futile effort.

    We know your true intentions, you want to dominate us and want to crush our community. And thats the undeniable truth.

    Hyderabadis ! may be a Holy war ahead ! Be prepared !

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  68. I think Bombay would have been better if it was not part of the state. It would have not changed to Mumbai, it wouldn't have seen the growth of shivsena and its troubling offshoots.

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  69. Sravan,
    Investors do not come here because it is their state's capital but they come here because city provides them profitable business opportunity.

    Nope. All the states in India tend to concentrate on developing the capital city. We don't usually have commercial capital and an administrative capital like in US. A city is chosen as capital and start investing heavily in that city. That is the reason Hyderbad is such a problem to break up of AP.
    Telugu lo oka saametha undi "thummithey voodey mukkutho enni rojulu". But the problem is here thummitey oodedi mukkku kadu, heart of AP. 50 years of efforts of state and center are concentrated in 1 city.
    Hopefully something meaningful comes out of these meetings and everyone will be happy, whether seperate or together.

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  70. Anonymous:

    I think Bombay would have been better if it was not part of the state. It would have not changed to Mumbai, it wouldn't have seen the growth of shivsena and its troubling offshoots.

    I think it would have been even better if it was not part of India.

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  71. There are many arguments from Seemandhra people to demand Hyderabad in one way or other(their capital, common capital or UT).

    1. Seemandhra developed Hyderabad in the last 50 years
    2. Seemandhra population in Hyderabad is high
    3. Seemandhra people have a lot of affection on Hyderabad

    Replace "Hyderabad" with "Madras" and rewind 58 years. They used the same arguments when they asked for seperate Andhra with "Madras manade" as capital

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  72. There are many arguments from Seemandhra people to demand Hyderabad in one way or other(their capital, common capital or UT).

    1. Seemandhra developed Hyderabad in the last 50 years
    2. Seemandhra population in Hyderabad is high
    3. Seemandhra people have a lot of affection on Hyderabad

    Replace "Hyderabad" with "Madras" and rewind 58 years. They used the same arguments when they asked for seperate Andhra with "Madras manade" as capital

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  73. Time for fact check buddy. Tell me the province these cities belong to

    China - Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chongqing

    Japan - Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima, Nagasaki

    South Korea - Busan, Incheon, Seoul

    Germany - Berlin, Hamburg

    Answer: They are all autonomous cities that don't come under a bigger province. I can give you 100 more examples from Taipei to Ho Chi Minh city to London where big cities are recognized as separate unit.

    I don't see why India can do the same and separate the top 5 metropolis from their respective states and declare them as UTs. Big cities have a different character from the states around it and their problems are also different. In Bangalore the problem is traffic jams while in rural Karanataka it is farmer suicides. The priorites are different and it is hard for the same government to do justice to both.

    Let us liberate our cities and send them on an higher growth path unencumbered by the hinterlands, and as long as government dont messes with them they will do fine. Then let us have a national level programme for the states with priorities including primary education and agricultre.

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  74. Balaji,
    tell me what provinces these cities belong to:
    USA-- New York(NY), Los Angeles(CA), Chicago(IL),
    San Francisco(CA), Detroit(MI), Dallas(TX), Houston(TX) Philadelphia(PA)

    Cananda-- Toronto(Ontario), Montreal(Quebec), Vancouver(BC), Winnipeg(Manitoba), Calgary(Alberta)

    Germany: Frankfurt(Hesse), Munich(Bavaria), Stuttgart(Baden-Wurttemberg)

    Brazil- Sao Paulo(State of Sau paulo), Rio de janeiro(state of RiodeJaneiro),Manaus(Amazonas)

    Australia -- Sydney(NSW), Melbourne(Victoria), Brisbane(QL), Pert(We. Aus), Adelide(S. Aus)

    Balaji,
    do you know the difference between the countries you cited and the countries I am citing. None of country examples you provided (except for Germany that I too cited) are federal states like india i,e none of them have provincial governments that give power of self-governance to the provinces.
    In all cases hyderabad as UT is not recommnedable.
    Look at the only one apt example you provided.
    Berlin and Hamburg for historical reasons are separate entities. And for a long period since medieval ages they have been independent entities so.
    Even Hamburg when for a brief perid after 1949 was part of a province and separated it lost the advantage of its Hinter land when separated from that province due to historical reasons.
    You have to provide examples that are compatible with the Indian Scenario.
    Just picking up bunch of cities is not useful. Grow Up

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  75. I really wonder how the education system in India is deteriorating day after day, when I see the argument put forth by people like Balaji. We are just educating people to join a professional college andmore specifically Eng. or medical fields. But our system is such that other than these Math and Science any other subjects are just perceived as waste. They do not teach correct history, they do not stress on the administrative and social issues. Even if we have in the curriculum we are made to perceive them as just lessons to be completed to answer bunch of questions in the examination.
    surely we need a very big reform of our educational system.
    My 10 year old nephew in US knows what a city and state governments are before he knew what the US government is like. At least in the initial years they stress on these subjects including art and writing more than maths ans science. MAths and science I though his curriculum was really primitive for his grade.

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  76. If at all the concrete jungle Hyderabad city (Not greater Hyderabad) is made as a union territory then, only some 20-25 rich families belongs to corporate business houses, political bosses, top film industry celebrities and mafia will enjoy the benefits, by creating their own estates, dens, clubs and hubs. The common people of Hyderabad will suffer due to four fold increase in the cost of living, more pollution, more traffic, more corruption and crime. The native common and poor people of Hyderabad will be pushed towards a corner, making their survival difficult, which can result in their migrations to the surrounding districts of Telangana. The other districts people of the Telangana will loose their opportunities in Hyderabad for ever in this scenario. To some extent few people from Seemandhra can still get opportunities here due to the domination of their leaders in all fields.
    The greater Hyderabad region cannot be allowed to become as union territory because it was created by including some parts of other surrounding districts of Telangana. Why should they loose their land to Hyderabad UT, when Hyderabad is not given as the capital city of Telangana?
    At last, the thousand dollars question is ……………………………..
    How can concrete jungle Hyderabad survive independently as UT without the support from surrounding districts?
    Hyderabad does not produce its own electricity for their requirements, do not have own water resources; do depend for many other necessities on other Telangana neighbouring districts.
    As of now there was no recommendation for Hyd as UT by any committee or SRC.
    Telangana people are fighting for this since last 54 years and Hyderabad is part and parcel of it.
    At this last minute few forces like real estate mafia, non-local land lords, film industry bosses, migrated businessmen and a small fraction of migrated settlers are pushing this Hyd as UT out of their own interest or fear with their money and muscle power.
    Creating Hyd as UT, just in the middle of Telangana will give rise to many problems in future.
    Hence, the jokers and brokers who are dreaming and asking to make the concrete jungle Hyderabad as UT are the fools of first order. No native Hyderabadi will agree for it, if they realize about the hidden risk around this illogical demand of few non-native people or capitalists.

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  77. Here lot of people talking that geographically Hyderabad belongs to telengana thats why it can not be shared capital then we will change the telengana geography.

    How does it sounds :)

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  78. Good luck Ram aka new age Moses

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  79. Please don't destroy hyderabad by suggesting union territory status. No union territory is growing or has grown as much as state capital. Please don't destroy my hyderabad.. if you don't want to be in hyd get lost but do not suggest union status for hyd.

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  80. We buy and sell properties. Our's is the fastest growing real estate business in hyderabad. Many Plots for sale in hyderabad, villas, Flats etc. check it out hyderabad real estate

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  81. Regarding the status of City of Hyderabad I would like to inform that it has been our capital city for the last 500 years and it is encircled with telangana districts. Hyderabad is a part and parcel of Telangana State. We cannot envisage telangana state without Hyderabad . How can human being can live without head ? So is the case of telangana without Hyderabad. Infact, it was built with sweat and blood of our fore fathers. Andhras say that they have developed Hyderabad into Metro/cosmopolitan City. False propaganda. Hyderabad city was the fifth largest city in the country in 1956 i.e at the time of formation of Andhra Pradesh and now also the status of Hyderabad remains the same . Over the years all the cities have grown including Hyderabad in its natural course. What Andhras did to Hyderabad ? They have , over the years using their political hegemony , turned the city into a colonial power center and an imperial city . They have established their dominance in all spears in Hyderabad with the help Andhra political power making the local people their servants. All kinds of Business , Education , Health , Industries , Contracts , Real Estate ,Culture and Cinema what not … are in the hands of Andhra capitalists . Now they do not want the City to slip from their hands and they want the city to be a union territory so that they can continue their political and economic control over the city. Further they want the city to be common capital city for both the states. What a ridiculous proposal ! Andhra is 200 to 300 km away from Hyderabad and they have to travel minimum 200 km in telangana to reach their capital city. Is their any example in the world that a country or a state having its capital out side its main land ? To my knowledge, absolutely No . But Andhra capitalists want(not the people of Andhra) their capital out side Andhra for their interests leaving the people of Andhra to their miseries and keep them away from the benefits of a capital city.
    They wanted Madras city in 1953 and allowed Potti Sriramulu sacrifice his life for Madras City . They failed to get it. Now again they are trying to take away Hyderabad from telangana instead of developing their own capital city in their land. Sri C.Rajagopala Chary the then Chief Minister of Madras State neither allowed them to take away Madras City from Tamils nor accepted to make Madras a Common capital of Andhra and Tamilnadu though Madras City is at the border of both the states as Chandighar to Punjab and Haryana. Similarly , the Gujarathis had tried to take away Mumbai City from Marathis in the pretext that they have developed Bombay city with their huge investments and wanted the city to be a Bombay City state. The then Prime Minister of India Pandit Jawaharlala Nehru had to summarily reject the proposal of Gujarathis succumbing to the agitations of marathis and thus Bombay remained as capital city of Maharashtra at the time of seperation. Now , the people of telangana strongly oppose any kind of proposal that make the Hyderabad city a union territory or common capital which will attract another movement Hyderabad Bachavo Andolan.Mere investments will not give ownership to the Andhras and break the organic relation of Hyderabad city having with telangana over 5 centuries.
    Sridhar Deshpande
    Hyderabad

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  82. Telangana means Telugu land. Even according to the so-called grandfather of the separate Telangana movement, Sri K. V. Ranga Reddy, the word Telangana is a derivation from trilinga desa. The same was the opinion of Sri Mandumula Narsing Rao, a President of the Nizam Andhra Mahasabha. The Three lingas were - Srisailam (now in Kurnool dt.), Draksharamam (Godavari dt.) and Kaleswaram (Karimnagar dt.) and the land between these three lingas was trilinga desa which gradually became Telangana in colloquial language. This is the interpretation of both KV Ranga Reddy and Mandumula Narsinga Rao. That means all the three regions of the present Andhra Pradesh are part of this Telangana or Telangana and Andhra are synonymous. Telangana also means Telugu Land. So Telangana is not limited to just 10 districts as claimed by the present separatists of Telangana but spreads to all the 23 districts of AP and more. That is the answer to all rabid chauvinists who want to grab Hyderabad or any other city in AP alone for their sectional interests.

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